esports-discussion

[hybrid hollow]

I guess checkmate is there for the niche picks if ever needed like Mei

[glass sleet]

He plays so much more tho

[errant hornet]

fuck it bored

[glass sleet]

Wtf only for mei?

[static pond]

Viper was tho

[errant hornet]

the bap illari looks highkey good here

[hybrid hollow]

Oh yeah ur right

[errant hornet]

ngl

[glass sleet]

Sirmajed should play if it’s nap illary

[hybrid hollow]

I imagine he came with izayaki and they just kept him

[glass sleet]

I just realized it’s 99-99

[static pond]

The fact they have to keep using illari ult just to kill fnatic support says a lot lol

[glass sleet]

Wtf

[weary scarab]

yeah i think sirmajed and hanbin will be playing tomorrow against twisted

[errant hornet]

erm

[glass sleet]

A bundle?

[errant hornet]

guys

[glass sleet]

Buy one get one free?

[errant hornet]

I dont wanna say anything but

[glass sleet]

GUYS!!!

[weary scarab]

bro what is happening to the koreans

[hybrid hollow]

Weren't they both held hostage by roc before Fnatic got them

[glass sleet]

These Korean teams don’t look so strong!

They have cracks to them

[static pond]

Topdragon was I think

[weak frost]

🇪🇺 🇪🇺 🇪🇺 🇪🇺 🇪🇺

[glass sleet]

Huh

[weary scarab]

i feel like people overestimate the korea and the west gap too much

including me

[errant hornet]

I stg I been saying that

Not every korean team is Falcons and CR

[glass sleet]

I mean I didn’t think these mid eu teams to win rounds

[hybrid hollow]

Checkmate and izayaki played together in EU for stage one then they just didn't play for stage 2 at all and then they both got picked up by Fnatic for ewc

So I assume they came together

[static pond]

EU??

[hybrid hollow]

was it not EU?

[hazy marsh]

i mean there is a gap between both's top levels and both's mid levels (of tier 1) but mid level teams of KR are about equal to top of the west I'd say

[static pond]

You sa

They were playing for sa esports

A team on there

[glass sleet]

Roc wanted to sign an all Korean team and add those two to it but things didn’t go that way

[static pond]

Topdragon shy were also there

[hazy marsh]

obviously it's not as clear cut as that

[weary scarab]

who are these mid level koreans teams. cuz with these rosters these koreans shoudlnt be mid

[hazy marsh]

when im saying top im meaning the very tippy top

as in falcons and cr

[errant hornet]

roho carrying Fraudmate

[hazy marsh]

and mid as in the rest of the kr teams contesting spots in high level ow esports

[errant hornet]

Sadge

[hybrid hollow]

Yeah they got 3-0d by exo

[glass sleet]

Yeah that was their team till they dropped all but checkmate and izayaki

[errant hornet]

I mean tbf I wouldn't call third best KR team "mid" for example

just htat Falcons and CR are like a tier break above everyone else rn

[weary scarab]

lol

[static pond]

Viper blade mess up

[hybrid hollow]

Yeah so most likely Fnatic picked them up together after they were dormant for stage 2

[weary scarab]

nice cree ult

[glass sleet]

Yeah sure why not I can see that happen surely yep

[hazy marsh]

cr and falcons are superteams that have a large portion of the very best KR players

[errant hornet]

ZAMN

[glass sleet]

Gasp

GUYS

[weary scarab]

i would say all top 4 korean teams should be super teams in theory

[glass sleet]

eu has a chance

[glass sleet]

Yeah

[errant hornet]

sort of

I think a lot of these players are far from their prime tho

Esp on Fanatic

[glass sleet]

This is what fnatic gets for dropping bliss

Smh

[weary scarab]

what happened to irony

wheres he at

[glass sleet]

DROPPED

[errant hornet]

like Izayaki is on the downwards part of his career, Leejaegon is feeding (XD)

just for example

[weary scarab]

damn they dropped both of them backline

[hybrid hollow]

A lot of ppl rate Korean players as if they don't regress

[glass sleet]

Can’t really say that. He wasn’t playing bad, he was just not playing at all

[glass sleet]

Yeah for owl champions

[hybrid hollow]

Even on falcons side of things Smurf is nowhere near where he was back in owl

[errant hornet]

Yeah but smurf is still very good

[hazy marsh]

yeah

[errant hornet]

To pretend he isnt is a bit silly

IF you actually watch Falcons games espp

[hybrid hollow]

I'm not saying he isn't

[errant hornet]

I wouldn't even say he is THAT washed

[weary scarab]

i dont think smurf will be playing a game tomorrow

[errant hornet]

Just hte competition for top of tank is closer

[glass sleet]

Oh shush. Everyone said Smurf was feeding but he wasn’t. He was playing very well. Go watch his vods

Smurf was the better mauga and winton

Till he threw…

[errant hornet]

Mb not, but it depends on the map

[hazy marsh]

even if he is on the downwards direction, how many people would you reasonably say you'd pick over him, especially for main tank heroes?

[hybrid hollow]

Nah he was feeding bc he played mauga like a lame

[errant hornet]

and bans

[weary scarab]

what would smurf even be playing

winston?

[glass sleet]

His mauga was better than junbin’s mauga

[errant hornet]

yes

[weary scarab]

hanbin can play so much in this

[errant hornet]

Winston can still be quite relevant

espp into the western compps

AND depending on some bans

[weary scarab]

and diva seems to be the go to

[static pond]

Ngl I thought they had the same maugas

[glass sleet]

Yeah well that’s what happens. Smurf was playing a lot during owcs and now it’s hanbin to play more

[errant hornet]

Dva is usually better rn yeah

[hybrid hollow]

Exactly

I just hate mauga

[glass sleet]

And he was the better winton on gib. They just went mauga and threw

He played better on dive brother

[hybrid hollow]

Shhhhh erase that from ur memory

[errant hornet]

Its hard to remember that in general Falcons dive is rly good, but compared to CR it could look more flippant at times

[hybrid hollow]

Just remember they went mauga and threw

[glass sleet]

🤤

[errant hornet]

mb its smurf, mb its dps call, a bad dive is a bad dive

naturally the winston will look the worst in that scenario

[glass sleet]

Their dive mirrors are very close most of the time

[errant hornet]

yes but its still CR favored overall

[glass sleet]

And if you asked the falcon players, they’d say smurf is the best player

[glass sleet]

They didn’t think that back on gib

[hybrid hollow]

On a genuine note the players for falcons have all been good or great onna individual level I think raccoons just looks better and more confident a lot of the time

[errant hornet]

Cause I think CR plays it a bit more controlled, I think falcons have an issue where they sometimes try to over force a bit less than Falcons

its close tho

very

[glass sleet]

I’m hungry

[errant hornet]

not saying CR hard gaps them XD

[glass sleet]

Who’s eating while watching

[hybrid hollow]

falcons also prefers meta over comfort

[glass sleet]

Def not. Games are always very close

[hybrid hollow]

Well tbf the meta was their comfort actually

[errant hornet]

yeah

I feel like this tourney esp with hero bans prob favors CR a bit(?)

[hybrid hollow]

idk

[glass sleet]

Why

[hybrid hollow]

I think falcons is favored with hero bans

[errant hornet]

Being able to take picks at the most ideal comp for a map I think is better for CR who have historically won off of flexibility

[glass sleet]

Both teams are very flexible so who knows

[errant hornet]

both are very flexible, but it feels like Falcons usually are better in a given hard meta comp, while CR tends to do better on the different shit

[hybrid hollow]

well it depends on the bans tho

[errant hornet]

also this production XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

[hybrid hollow]

Also it seems like hitscan is way harder to force now compared to Dallas

[errant hornet]

Raajaro took too much damage there

[glass sleet]

I can’t wait for people to complain there’s too much Dva

[errant hornet]

ended up pulling resources away from shockwave

[hybrid hollow]

I like seeing dva in pro play it's refreshing

[errant hornet]

I mean hero is literally god rn

tbf

[hybrid hollow]

In ladder its hell tho

[errant hornet]

I dont mind dva but I think dva mirrors aren't the BEST ow2 meta ever

[static pond]

She was like played in every comp during ow1

[glass sleet]

I don’t mind any comp as long as it’s not mirror

Even mirror I don’t mind depends on the comp

[hybrid hollow]

Ow1 was 2 years ago

[glass sleet]

What I’m saying is idgaf if it’s a mirror sometimes

[errant hornet]

well thats kinda what hero bans accomplishes

[glass sleet]

I enjoyed the mauga meta in Dallas. The games were fun

[errant hornet]

on paper you should get less mirror matchups every game

[hybrid hollow]

I don't like mirrors when one team is clearly not comfortable in the mirror and they're only forcing it bc it's the meta not bc they genuinely wanna run that comp

[static pond]

Ngl knife is scary

[hybrid hollow]

I don't mind a dva mirror when both tanks like to play dva

[errant hornet]

not a big fan of raajaro this map tho

He is a bit meh rn

[glass sleet]

Dva is boring to watch tho

[errant hornet]

took SO much damage

[glass sleet]

I hate her dm

So much

[hybrid hollow]

SSG won I think

[glass sleet]

Yeah

BRO when did the kiriko skin come out

[hazy marsh]

huh

[hybrid hollow]

What kiri skin

[glass sleet]

The lifeguard

[hybrid hollow]

is it out?

[glass sleet]

Aren’t you watching the game bro?

[errant hornet]

Thats a big fight win for VP tho

[glass sleet]

💀

[errant hornet]

resets a lot of the ult economy

[hybrid hollow]

Tbh I'm not looking at the skins at all

[glass sleet]

Look

[hybrid hollow]

All ik is that izayaki has on the mythic one

[glass sleet]

👁️ 👁️

[errant hornet]

ljg gotta chill a bit XD

he got the touch but he almost randomly died before going for it XD

[glass sleet]

Bro wtf is happening

[errant hornet]

SA production GG

[hazy marsh]

SA production

[glass sleet]

Servers too hot

[errant hornet]

finally we dont have to say NA production

[glass sleet]

I don’t think the other games had these problems

[hazy marsh]

were we hearing one of the teams' comms in the bg there for a brief moment?

or who was tha

when we stopped hearing the casters

[glass sleet]

I didn’t hear anything dafuq

[hazy marsh]

there were people talking but it was like -40 decibels

so understandable if you didnt

[glass sleet]

These are the upsets people wanted to see at Dallas

[static pond]

Fnafic what are they doing

[glass sleet]

Panic

[static pond]

Why not demech the dva they got half heath first

[hazy marsh]

pnatic

ok that doesnt work for panic

damnit

dude the way they're completely ignoring knife

[weary scarab]

i swear they used to have knife on echo and viper on tracer

now its reversed

[hazy marsh]

Didnt think I'd read "the backline is such a weak link" about an LJG Izayaki backline

[errant hornet]

VP is playing very very well rn

[hazy marsh]

yeah

[hybrid hollow]

Ljg edged the ajax

[glass sleet]

Very interesting

[errant hornet]

honestly im not suprised

[weary scarab]

alr enough. swap checkmate in and donghak

[errant hornet]

Izayaki has not been on top for a long time, and LJG has a bit of a feeder reputation for a reason XD

[weary scarab]

let them have the diva advantage man

[lavish prism]

EU too good

[weary scarab]

just put dongshak on doom winston and they are fine

[glass sleet]

They should’ve kept bliss fr

Guys VP played well cmon

[lavish prism]

just lose to eu, make koreas first loss be to eu c:

[errant hornet]

mb I dont even rate bliss insanely high either, but VP is playing well

the ult rotations and everything feel way more clean for VP rn

[static pond]

Tbh I thought attack was the problem

[errant hornet]

and shockwave is playing much better on echo

which I didn't expect if anything

[static pond]

I feel like he just wasted dm

[lavish prism]

shokwave and sauna both kinda gapping ngl

[glass sleet]

Sauna has always been really good on tracer

[errant hornet]

eh, I feel like viper isn't pplaying well rn

[static pond]

And fnatic has a huge synergy issue

[errant hornet]

If anything Raajaro played a bit more rough this map

[glass sleet]

CX looking dapper

[static pond]

Letting the dva walk away at low health or even half health they decide to dive the backline even tho they had point

[errant hornet]

I think 1st point alone of this map was largely Raajaro just taking soo much poke Shockwave couldn't sustain when preasure was forced onto him

[hybrid hollow]

Viper was pretty quiet

[errant hornet]

Not that Raajaro is playing terrible, but hes not the reason they are winning rn

and if FNC start winning I sort of expect them to exploit that

fuck typing

[hybrid hollow]

Are galaa and khenail the second best backline on EU?

Bc lowkey

[hazy marsh]

you're not wrong

[errant hornet]

prob

[hybrid hollow]

I don't think the others are better

[errant hornet]

I dont rate ENCE backline that high

[weary scarab]

hell no

[static pond]

There was also one where the Lucio was low health with beat knife was the only one shooting at him

[errant hornet]

well no TM rn is good

[hybrid hollow]

Oh yeah 💀

[errant hornet]

TM backline better fs

at least as of rn

[weary scarab]

galaa is a hard illari one trick

[hybrid hollow]

I got used to TM not being in the conversation

[weary scarab]

somehow he is diffing them on lucio

[hazy marsh]

same

[hybrid hollow]

He's literally a Lucio player

[weary scarab]

no

[errant hornet]

yeah Galaa is not an illari otp XD

[static pond]

Wait why don’t they just put the Pepsi logo and shit above the esports World Cup logo

[weary scarab]

that mf played illari through everything and then realised he had to grind lucio

[errant hornet]

besides, Funnyastro is the clear best lucio in EU rn

imho

[hybrid hollow]

Galaa was just the guy who had to pick up illari during the sig meta and happened to be good at it

[errant hornet]

I personally rate him VERY high

[weary scarab]

fdgod is good and bliss in eu might be the guy too

i still think peps, ence, ssg, tm has a better backline

then vp

[glass sleet]

Genji?

[errant hornet]

if bliss keeps playing well sure but I feel like I need more time from him first

[hybrid hollow]

I've been calling Astro the best eu main support since owl

[errant hornet]

FDGOD I think is good but

I think its crazy to put him above Astro

[weary scarab]

top 3 eu for sure

[hybrid hollow]

I do think fd gets a lot of hate from his time on the shock but he's gotten significantly better

[errant hornet]

top 3 is fair yeah

I think rating Ence backline above VP rn I disagree

[hazy marsh]

ye

[errant hornet]

I dont rate Masaa that high

personally

[glass sleet]

Yeah masaa is overrated tbh

[errant hornet]

and ghost is a good mechanical bap, but beyond that not much else

[hazy marsh]

valid

[hybrid hollow]

Masaa is just solid he does his job but he's not anything crazy

[glass sleet]

Tbh ence is a better team rn

[lavish prism]

i mean backline is the weakest link on ence

[errant hornet]

Masaa is the definition of not being a problem at best

[glass sleet]

Skai over ghost, rak over masaa, and wmaimone? Hell yeah

[hybrid hollow]

It doesn't help they have to compete with the Astro and Landon

[errant hornet]

If they lose often he is a source getting exploited, when they win hes usually just doing fine

[glass sleet]

But he has so many bad beats

[hybrid hollow]

Hard to be better than that

[errant hornet]

"at best"

[errant hornet]

yeah

[wise orbit]

what happened to ence's backline

[weary scarab]

ence vs bleed rn

[errant hornet]

ik masaa is not a big fan of the Saudi government so he didn't show up

[hybrid hollow]

Masaa doesn't fw Saudi and ghost got dropped

[errant hornet]

idk about ghost off the top my head

[wise orbit]

ghost is not on the roster anymore?

W masaa ig

[errant hornet]

I mean good for him ig, but it doesn't ex make a huge impact XD

I get it but there are prob better ways to protest stuff

but idk

[weary scarab]

masaa probably retires after the ewc

mfs like 30

[hybrid hollow]

if masaa retire ence is cooked

[lavish prism]

bleed dps might actually be better here

holy

[hybrid hollow]

Whatever main supports are left in eu

[errant hornet]

eh, honestly I wouldn't mind them getting a different main support

[hybrid hollow]

Maybe they get an import

[errant hornet]

even if they have to import

[wise orbit]

it's a matter of principle i would think

[errant hornet]

Yeah thats true

idk

[lavish prism]

yeah but who

main sup market is dry af

[hybrid hollow]

maybe they import lyar who knows

[weary scarab]

damn kai 4k

[hybrid hollow]

Bc I don't see m80 existing after this

[errant hornet]

good question

idfk a ranked player fuck it

[lavish prism]

m80 will continue existing as long as they easily get 2nd place i feel like

[errant hornet]

idk about that

[weary scarab]

ooooh

bleed

[errant hornet]

I think m80 is looking for an out rn

[lavish prism]

honestly feel sorry for the org

first the leaked dms

[wise orbit]

liquipedia says ghost is still on the roster so why isnt he at ewc

[lavish prism]

now they are stuck with coluge

[errant hornet]

I mean the roster they got after that was better XD

[lavish prism]

yeah m80 aint winning a map

[errant hornet]

just shit NA culture brewed HARD in m80

[lavish prism]

yeah but still lol

literal retiree mentality

[errant hornet]

yup

like at least Toronto WANT to be really good

[lavish prism]

like they probably wont win a single map

[errant hornet]

and win

[wise orbit]

look on ences page

[lavish prism]

coluge is just here to collect saudi money

[errant hornet]

Pretty sure M80 is just there

[wise orbit]

hes still on the roster like masaa

[lavish prism]

just the team for the tourney

[weary scarab]

bro bleed is cooking ence

[lavish prism]

not unexpected tbh

[weary scarab]

i dont get why hes on the team tbh. they have both skai and ghost just keep one

[lavish prism]

after the zeta bleed match

ence is second worst team in group and they still 3-0ed m80 lol

NA's best

[humble token]

Damn

Ence sucks

But ik bleed was better

[weary scarab]

i thought bleed was the clear 4th place in this group

[lavish prism]

lower than m80?

huh

[hybrid hollow]

Idk then ppl were saying he got dropped

[errant hornet]

Honestly I thought they were the clear 3rd

[weary scarab]

bro

[errant hornet]

I didnt rate them very high but I thought M80 were among the worst teams

[weary scarab]

bleed is not a dtrong team on paper

[hybrid hollow]

Yeah m80 is the worst team at the event imo

[errant hornet]

yeah I think you were a bit insane to rate them extremely high based off of one map 5 game

but they look rly strong rn

better than I thought fs

[lavish prism]

i didnt rate them extremely high

but still higher than m80

m80 is just there to get the participation money

[weary scarab]

if they had hawk still i think they would have an honest chance

[lavish prism]

+bleed is young and hungry to win, and took maps off koreans before

[errant hornet]

yeah I thought Bleed would do better justt off of having more players that want to win

M80 has tr33

[weary scarab]

its just the thai hunger to win

[lavish prism]

but also coluge

[errant hornet]

XD

thats the problem

[lavish prism]

• after what we have seen i wouldnt consider tr33 better than bleeds dps

[errant hornet]

ok but the Dong looks nasty rn

[lavish prism]

tr33 was hardfeeding vs ence

[weary scarab]

Finally checkmate and donghak is in against vp lol

[hybrid hollow]

The dongman

[errant hornet]

they might look a lot better on a winston mapp with hte Dong himself

[weary scarab]

shlonghak

[static pond]

Donghak is a mence he doe not give support time to breath

[errant hornet]

shocked they didn't ban Ana tho

for VP

[hybrid hollow]

In this raajaro's first real appearance?

I think he's the only player i really don't know anything about

Doomhak

[errant hornet]

Doomhak

[lavish prism]

oh no

its joever

doomhak is unleashed

[hybrid hollow]

Where is Bob going 😭

Omg

Nah that was nasty

[weary scarab]

Ok shlonghak swapped to doom bro its ove

fkn disgusting

[errant hornet]

menace unleeshed

this is like Fearless on Shanghai vibes XD

team getting shit on, comes and and fucking 1v9s

[hybrid hollow]

"this isn't Atlanta IM A CHANGED MAN" donghak whispers under his breath

[errant hornet]

"I AM NOT DEFINED BY LIP"

[lavish prism]

if fielder is not in lobby doomhak goes hard (if fielder is in hes permaslept)

[errant hornet]

alr

time for roadhog

[hybrid hollow]

Not a bad hold after getting ran over first two points

[errant hornet]

well next map VP wins Kappatology

[lavish prism]

i pray for vp

let koreans first loss be vs EU

[wise orbit]

so much aura lost with this ence lineup :(

are they only streaming on yt? the stream is relaly low quality for me

[errant hornet]

no they are on twitch

given the whole stream has been all over the place today

and the casters for the FNC game are way higher quality XD

[humble token]

Fnc sucks

[humble token]

Also how can you say kellan is better than tvnt💀

[glass sleet]

EU finally paid off playing Dva all these years

[errant hornet]

well after today sure XD

[humble token]

Kellan is just not it

Btw

[errant hornet]

no shit

[humble token]

Iron bliss was brtter

[wise orbit]

interesting comp from bleed

[glass sleet]

No. I don’t blame kellan. I don’t think he was the problem

[glass sleet]

Irony

[humble token]

He doesent fit in

[humble token]

He was underrated

[glass sleet]

He “doesn’t fit in” because they kept making him play dive into mauga. Because quartz didn’t wanna play Cassidy. It was his fault not kellan’s

[humble token]

Oh I didnt know they forced him

[glass sleet]

They wanted quartz on soj so he can “carry” and you cant play mauga and soj. That’s why they went winton and winton was bad against mauga meta

[wise orbit]

how in the hell did this team take a map from ence

[glass sleet]

Bleed?

[wise orbit]

yea

[humble token]

Quartz has good cass anyway rhats weird of him

[glass sleet]

They were one fight from going 2-0 against zeta wdym?

Ence is nothing

[wise orbit]

ohhh

[glass sleet]

His Cassidy is good now. It wasn’t good in FACEIT. He looked very uncomfortable and it was so obvious he tried to force soj

[wise orbit]

i just never heard of this team before but they were just being held on first choke until ot

while ence pushed all the way

[glass sleet]

It’s daf

[lavish prism]

why tf is shockwave still on widow

[glass sleet]

Formally known as daf

[humble token]

Still better than mauga v winston

[wise orbit]

never heard of them either

[glass sleet]

What

[wise orbit]

but they are on par with korean teams?

[hybrid hollow]

No

Have the potential tho

[glass sleet]

No I wouldn’t say that. They just played two very good games

[humble token]

Um well kinda they almost beat ftg once

[glass sleet]

It’s still first day so many things can still happen

[hybrid hollow]

Can definitely give ftg and yeti a run

[humble token]

They seem to be better than eu tho

[lavish prism]

i mean they just took a map off zeta and nearly another before collapsing xd

[glass sleet]

Zeta? They already played them

[wise orbit]

they looked really bad on shambali lol that's why i was confused why ence lost first map sincei wasnt watching

[hybrid hollow]

I mean they can still play again later in the tournament

[lavish prism]

idk, they only did well against the worse korean teams, and we didnt see the good EU teams play those yet

[glass sleet]

True

[hybrid hollow]

Escort is definitely their worst map type

They looked uncomfortable on circuit as well

[glass sleet]

All I’m saying is if VP is doing this well against fnatic, SSG is gonna do well

[hybrid hollow]

For sure

[humble token]

Ftg is not far off from falcons and cr

Ftg is way better than fnatic

[weary scarab]

https://x.com/Youbi_OW/status/1816184663624540228 lol

Twis Youbi (@Youbi_OW) on X

China players refuse to shake hands with us after getting destroyed twice🥲

Twitter · Jul 24, 2024, 6:52 PM

[wise orbit]

i just wish ghost and masaa was there but i get why they didnt go

[lavish prism]

they havent won vs them yet though, i wanna see them play the good EU teams first

then

[humble token]

Damn thats not great from them

[glass sleet]

WHERE CAN I FIND THOSE JERSEYS

[humble token]

Ftg almost beat falcons bro

[glass sleet]

…why? You wanna lose harder?

[humble token]

Twice

[humble token]

They are better in thory

[hybrid hollow]

I mean all the specialist teams are gonna get cooked with bans

[glass sleet]

Hell no

Masaa is a feeder and ghost is a bap one trick and not that good either

[lavish prism]

masaa 100% is atm

[wise orbit]

not everything is about winning i like the team because i like the players

[humble token]

Massa is good bro

[hybrid hollow]

Masaa is old

[glass sleet]

Good at having god awful beats I agree

[wise orbit]

and masaa and ghost can hold their own, remember they beat the shit out of toronto

[glass sleet]

I prefer having skai over ghost

[humble token]

Toronto is weak

[glass sleet]

That was Toronto playing bad not ence being better

[hybrid hollow]

player to player rak and masaa aren't that different but the synergy matters

[humble token]

@weary scarab where are u

[hybrid hollow]

Toronto has been playing very subpar

[weary scarab]

https://x.com/OnceAgainOW/status/1810749301272052009

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[glass sleet]

Not that they had it with ghost. He was new kinda and didn’t perform well

[weary scarab]

im here lol was just eating

[glass sleet]

I meant the TM Jersey lol

[weary scarab]

ohh

[glass sleet]

My bad thought it was obvious

[humble token]

Tm dominates clash royal 2

[glass sleet]

Huh

Btw after ow EWC, it’s gonna be apex legends

[hybrid hollow]

VP DONGHAK 🔥🔥🔥🔥

[glass sleet]

Lol

[humble token]

Mohammad ligth in tm or something

[glass sleet]

They bought his contact mid game

[errant hornet]

new VP roster lookin wild

[wise orbit]

both of these can be true at the same time

[hybrid hollow]

SA production

[glass sleet]

I remember these team name swaps in owcs lol

[hybrid hollow]

I mean someone was genuinely running into walls it's hard to judge if ENCE were playing better when Toronto was playing that far below the standard

[glass sleet]

These production issues better end today

[glass sleet]

Nah “Kevster carried”

[wise orbit]

i don't get what you guys are saying. if you win you played better, no?

unless someone is cheating ig

[weary scarab]

i forgot ssg vs virtus pro is today too

[hybrid hollow]

It's more like ence played the same and Toronto played bad

[glass sleet]

Yeah you played better but you played better against a team that was playing worse than usual. You were better than the lesser version of the team

[errant hornet]

lowkey most hype match today

[hybrid hollow]

you can't use that match to judge ENCE against other teams is what I'm saying

[humble token]

OHHH GALAA ILARRI

[wise orbit]

this would still mean they played better, no?

[lavish prism]

idk Tor lost a map to the mauga otp team

[humble token]

2AND BEST ILLARI

[lavish prism]

vega and lenny are pulling tor down hard

[glass sleet]

Gg are very good on mauga tho

[errant hornet]

honestly its moreso because that was A) last tourney, and B) Different backline

[glass sleet]

And someone was playing orisa

[errant hornet]

like ENCE last tourney beats current ence because of all the messy last minute changes

[glass sleet]

I’d like to think the other way around

Their roster is way better

[errant hornet]

eh

[glass sleet]

And ence isn’t stuck being a sigma one trick

[hybrid hollow]

idk I feel like it's worse just bc ENCE was a team that needed that synergy to work

[errant hornet]

its moreso just the fact that there is less cohesion

and I feel like in general for EU its best to have a really, really strong niche

[weary scarab]

wait mirror on support

[lavish prism]

2 sidegrades with less synergy better?

huh

[weary scarab]

i forgot mirror plays support too lol

[glass sleet]

Their synergy wasn’t good enough tho so having a better roster is better

[errant hornet]

bro is the definition of ok at everything

[wise orbit]

i actually dont know how good rak is, is he better than masaa?

[lavish prism]

i rate them equally

i would say

if not masaa a bit above

[glass sleet]

Who’s worse? Skai is worse than ghost? Or rak is worse than masaa?

[errant hornet]

prob equally but Rak is also on a way worse team

tbf

[hybrid hollow]

It's like let's take Landon and Rupal give or take not that big of a difference on an individual level but if you swapped those players SSG gets significantly worse

[errant hornet]

and main support can be harder to rate in a vacuum than like HSDPS for example

[lavish prism]

rak a bit worse than masaa imo

[glass sleet]

If they didn’t have time to scrim. They had time.

[hybrid hollow]

I mean going from a team like nrg to a team like ence is a huge difference

System is completely different

[errant hornet]

not that much time compared to other teams that were together for entire faceit

[hybrid hollow]

Production is cooked

[glass sleet]

Masaa wasn’t that good either so the difference doesn’t matter gaining 3 better players

[errant hornet]

LMFAO THIS STREAM

[glass sleet]

You think ghost has been there scrimming for months. Ghost and skai had the same amount kinda

[errant hornet]

wait aura zoning blade

[errant hornet]

ghost and skai is maybe close, not rak at all

[wise orbit]

why is it so hard to stream overwatch

every fucking tournament

[hybrid hollow]

It's not they just don't care

[errant hornet]

ok well

this map

[glass sleet]

Yeah but even current level, he looks just like masaa fr

[lavish prism]

am i the only one feeling the new sup line made fnatic worse?

[errant hornet]

is a bit fucked for fnatic

[errant hornet]

thats not all that matters though XD

[lavish prism]

i feel like fnatics old sup line was better

[wise orbit]

why? do they want overwatch esports to fail?

[lavish prism]

or at least the overall team was with the old sup line

[glass sleet]

That’s bs

[hybrid hollow]

I mean ppl just don't care about overwatch in the west

[lavish prism]

DONGHAK REIN?????

[humble token]

No me to irony was goated

[hybrid hollow]

It's one thing to have like actual tech issues but lazy production doesn't happen in Korea often

[humble token]

Like

See when tm has bliss

[lavish prism]

like they replaced a functioning sup line with 2 washed guys

[errant hornet]

the dongrein

Donghardt

[humble token]

Look at tm with bliss 2 also I Def agree with u

[errant hornet]

Rare Korean rein spotted

alr who put in SSG

[lavish prism]

if vp lose on brawl i renounce their EU citizenship

[humble token]

Valid

[errant hornet]

vp is COOKED against ssg XD

[humble token]

Not sure about that

[lavish prism]

they arent against ssg rn

theyre against donghak rein

[errant hornet]

Donghardt

[wise orbit]

i suppose it's a good thing these big orgs are signing owcs teams but man these names changes are confusing lol

[errant hornet]

I mean tbf I dont think some of these orgs are gonna stay post ewc

they want the EWC prize money then just leave cause why would they keep caring about OWCS

[lavish prism]

THE BOB

[errant hornet]

bob 1v9

alr SA production is rough

GALAA

[lavish prism]

the throw

[errant hornet]

VP went from a completely free game

to throwing

XD

this map is really, really critical to win too

[wise orbit]

what even is ewc ive never heard of it before the owcs major

[errant hornet]

after this the Dongwinston is back completely

[wise orbit]

like who is organzing this

[errant hornet]

Saudi Arabia

[wise orbit]

the country?

like its a state funded thing?

[errant hornet]

yes

basically

funded by the Saudi Arabia Public Investment Fund

into the Esports World Cup Foundation which runs the tourney

[hybrid hollow]

this match is so good

[errant hornet]

bro

[hybrid hollow]

Lowkey hope they draw

[errant hornet]

VP throw into an even BIGGER FNC throw

BRO NOT AGAIN

[hybrid hollow]

well they can't

[glass sleet]

They’re struggling

[wise orbit]

this whole thing feels really random lol

[errant hornet]

FNC just decided to not push cart

I get it

[hybrid hollow]

I kinda want Fnatic to hold here

[wise orbit]

like some random middle eastern country decides to fund an esports tournament

[hybrid hollow]

I want a map 5

[errant hornet]

I mean tbf its not a "random country"

[hybrid hollow]

I wouldn't say random

[errant hornet]

its Saudi Arabia, which is like arguably the MOST modernized economy in the region (aside from maybe Israel?).

[glass sleet]

Saudi Arabia is investing in all the fields not just esports

[errant hornet]

At least the most rich

And yeah they are trying to get influence in a fuck ton of markets

Esports is just one of them

[glass sleet]

Ggs

[errant hornet]

GG

[glass sleet]

VP beat fnatic holy

[errant hornet]

FNC kinda threw it

[wise orbit]

tbh id say uae and bahrain is more modernized

and israel but u already mentioned them

[weary scarab]

uae got a higher hdi score

[glass sleet]

Have you seen KSA? Their cities are full of cool buildings and shit

[weary scarab]

more fitable for the westerners

[errant hornet]

Bahrain less so, but UAE fs

[glass sleet]

UAE outside of Dubai who knows it’s a thing

[weary scarab]

abu dhabi fire too

[errant hornet]

I mean the gulf states in general are modernizing

well a group of them

[wise orbit]

it seemed pretty modern in the last world cup but idk

[glass sleet]

Qatar?

[wise orbit]

oh

right

haha

[errant hornet]

quatar, kuwait, Iraq

still have there uh

issues to say the least

[weary scarab]

the richest of them per capita is def qatar

they are fkn pooping money over there

[glass sleet]

Qatar, UAE, and KSA are all more modern than western countries

Definitely way more modern than USA

[errant hornet]

yeah but from what I know Qatar isn't exactly modernized the same way like a Germany is

[weary scarab]

gdp ppp per country

[errant hornet]

plus there are a lot of more moral reasons to maybe not fw Qatar

[glass sleet]

The World Cup was amazing

[weary scarab]

they just had a low hdi score. they have stricter laws then a country like uae but the big city is still very modernized

[glass sleet]

Probably best World Cup ever organized

[wise orbit]

it was good only sucked they had to reschedule

[glass sleet]

Doha is crazy.

[errant hornet]

off of what is basically slave migrant labor sure

[glass sleet]

What does that mean?

Try to explain it without sounding like you don’t know

[wise orbit]

yea i heard about this

[errant hornet]

as in they pull in migrant workers and essentially dont let them leave off of extremely predatory contracts under VERY bad living conditions

not literally slavery but similar conditions

[glass sleet]

Pull in? As in steal? Don’t leave as in imprisoned?

[errant hornet]

No they dont steal them, but moreso taking advantage of people with EXTREMELY predatory contracts and not letting them leave

Not literally sharecropping, but closer to it in terms of working conditions and what the individual workers can rly do about it

Just a different system obv

[glass sleet]

But the thing is…is that true? Every western news source is very biased towards Arab countries and they change a lot of things. Like saying the people died was for World Cup when in fact, it was a number throughout many many years

[errant hornet]

Yes it is true, like well documented

[glass sleet]

By who?

[errant hornet]

Generally journalists that gather data from the middleeast? I usually got info about this from Reuters, even international organizations (although sometimes their methods aren't always the most ideal, especially recently).

Like im not gonna go too in depth because its an esports chat and I think its gone a bit off base

but its not like the most unknown thing ever

[glass sleet]

Nah we still talking about VP here don’t worry

[errant hornet]

VP my beloved

lowkey they almost threw shambali

and I think if they did lose shambali they lose the series

cause then they just get winston dived with no bans available

[glass sleet]

From what I’ve heard and seen. All the foreigners who been to KSA, UAE, and QTR all loved it.

[errant hornet]

and they had NO answer

[errant hornet]

thats fine, but tourism is different than internal conflicts

[glass sleet]

Did they ban Ana?

[glass sleet]

Their people love their country trust me. It treats them very well.

[errant hornet]

again not saying I hate these countries, but there are a lot of reasons to heavily criticize the way their governments work, human rights for minorities esp, etc.

[glass sleet]

It’s what us Americans wish we had

[errant hornet]

In recent years it has gotten much much better yes

No I dont wish to live under an absolutist government that is heavily religious

[glass sleet]

Yeah and for those ideas, that’s why I hate USA.

[errant hornet]

A free press free voting fan personally

[wise orbit]

yea that would prob suck

[glass sleet]

Idk having a shit ton of events every year doesn’t sound so bad

And free health care…man oh man

[errant hornet]

there are aspects of their economies that are great, but the hope is that reforms can follow those changes (such as women being able to drive in Saudi arabia)

but like minority rights are clearly FAR behind western standards in those countries

most western standards at least

[glass sleet]

Fun fact, most women didn’t wanna drive back then. They were against it

[errant hornet]

thats fine but I also still think sexist laws aren't good

XD

they can just, idk, not drive

[glass sleet]

Western governments need to learn a few things like actually investing their people’s money back into their people

[errant hornet]

if they dont want to

[glass sleet]

Take notes USA

[glass sleet]

What sexist laws?

[errant hornet]

I mean infastructure projects have been funded, defense spending is largely popular

[errant hornet]

like not letting women drive

based on sex

[wise orbit]

i cant speak for usa but european countries have extensive welfare systems

[errant hornet]

its like the definition of a sexist law

[glass sleet]

That was such a long time ago and it was based of safety not sex

[wise orbit]

surely you are not claiming women are innately worse drivers

[weary talon]

Not too fond of oil oligarchs

[glass sleet]

When was it btw

[weary scarab]

2015

[glass sleet]

Lol no fy

[wise orbit]

why would it be about safety then

[sage grove]

Those laws were abolished

[errant hornet]

no there was a hard ban on it

[errant hornet]

Ik I am saying tis good it was abolished

what im saying is that as Middle Eastern countries grow economically, it sort of follows what happened in South Korea where social and governmental reforms start to occur

[glass sleet]

Yeah and the reason wasn’t because “she’s a woman” it was for the safety or that was the idea but they decided she can take care of herself

Something like that

[sage grove]

Women not driving was based on sex

Obviously

[errant hornet]

yeah

[wise orbit]

what were the safety concerns of women driving

[glass sleet]

Being alone. Same reasons why girls in USA aren’t safe walking alone

[stray quarry]

ok what the fuck is going on in here

[sage grove]

Well it was about women themselves not being able to defend themselves also

[glass sleet]

It’s also just a different culture. They’re always together

[errant hornet]

Like I said its almost weirdly similar to British history, where as Britain industrialized, slowly over time political forces worked out to where it became less and less of a powerful monarchy, and more of a democracy with social reforms

[humble token]

Kevster back in his prime

[sage grove]

I found those western people having debate about my country

[glass sleet]

Is zeta gonna play again?

[sage grove]

😂

[glass sleet]

Cuz he played who?

M80?

💀

[errant hornet]

Kevster versus Coluge

💀

can coluge just retire already XD

[sage grove]

It's actually super ultra save in saudi arabia though, you can leave house open without issues

[humble token]

No bleed esports

[glass sleet]

Safe?

[humble token]

He is roling

[glass sleet]

Ah yes bleed esports…aka daf

[errant hornet]

he obv meant safe XD

[glass sleet]

Very nice

[sage grove]

Is it not too late for that ?

[stray quarry]

kevster was kinda washed last season

[sage grove]

Yep

[glass sleet]

USA can never

[weary scarab]

i lowkey think tm would beat ence kinda easy

[glass sleet]

LEASGOOOOOO

[weary scarab]

lan twisted is just something else

[stray quarry]

i need OA to get at least one win so i can glaze them

[weary scarab]

when they dont have 100 ping on tracer

[glass sleet]

You can’t compare a different roster to “lan tm” bro wtf

[stray quarry]

i don’t care about winning i just need one win. OA please

[sage grove]

I mean china team from China is very strong and they beat them

[weary scarab]

saudis on lan in general

[glass sleet]

They’ll have their chance against…what was their name again

[hybrid hollow]

Very strong is a stretch

[weary scarab]

they are just able to play way better cuz no ping nerf

[glass sleet]

Sheeesh

[stray quarry]

their strength depends on current meta

[glass sleet]

They won stage 1 on ping?

[weary scarab]

yeah

[stray quarry]

no dive meta = jobless

[hybrid hollow]

Again tm looks really good but calling lgd current state really good is just not true

[sage grove]

Bruh monk leave and guxue are monsters

[glass sleet]

Damn

[errant hornet]

I mean again, not to take away from TM but that team didn't exactly look amazing either

[hybrid hollow]

Washed players, completely uncomfortable bc hero bans, and they're coached by rush

[errant hornet]

I still need to see TM versus both top western and korean teams to have a better idea of where to pplace them

[glass sleet]

But let me introduce you to their worst nightmare…the ban system

[humble token]

They are good bro

[errant hornet]

not to say they are bad, but still

[glass sleet]

Mhm

[stray quarry]

who did they ban versus OA LOL

[weary scarab]

id say tm over ence, but with ssg its hard

[glass sleet]

What was the score

[sage grove]

💀

[errant hornet]

alr how fast is this 3-0

[hybrid hollow]

First ban was ana

[glass sleet]

The fastest

[stray quarry]

we’re so fucking cooked

[hybrid hollow]

Then rush threw

[weary scarab]

tm and ssg both have good cas, sym mei lucio players

[humble token]

Idk spark looked so bad

[hybrid hollow]

And didn't go to a dive map when Winston was on the board

And then Winston got banned

[stray quarry]

yeah that’s what you expect to happen LOL

[glass sleet]

They banned Ana, so they’d just ban winton if they chose dive map Ez

[weary scarab]

yeah but ence is playing a team way worse then spark rn

and its not looking strong

[glass sleet]

Bleed would beat spark bro

[weary scarab]

hell no

[hybrid hollow]

Oa had map pick and first ban and still didn't go to a dive map

They banned sig so tank bans were off the table it was the perfect setup

[glass sleet]

Tm would play diva still. They don’t mind

[hybrid hollow]

this issue isn't tm

[stray quarry]

guxue can play doom decently if it comes to that

[hybrid hollow]

Why would u make ur own players uncomfortable

[glass sleet]

I’m saying it wouldn’t have mattered

[stray quarry]

just force dive coach rush god

[hybrid hollow]

it would

[glass sleet]

Tm would still win

[hybrid hollow]

A dive team would play better on a dive map no matter who the other team is

[glass sleet]

Zeta started

[glass sleet]

Yeah but they’d still lose is what I’m saying.

[hybrid hollow]

Maybe maybe not

[wise orbit]

which teams are u guys rooting for

[glass sleet]

TM

[hybrid hollow]

ssg Toronto

and oa but they're cooked

[glass sleet]

And then whatever team is strong lol

[weary scarab]

gotta be a reason for why the doom, winston team isnt playing doom winston throughout most of the maps.

[hybrid hollow]

It's not happening

[stray quarry]

unless you are London Spitfire vs San Francisco Shock on Gibraltar last season of owl

[wise orbit]

haha im the opposite, i root for ence and then whichever team is the underdog

[stray quarry]

OA

[weary scarab]

tm, fnatic and falcons

[stray quarry]

have to glaze the team no matter what

https://tenor.com/view/guxue-hangzhou-spark-guxue-hangzhou-spark-hangzhou-spark-guxue-winston-gif-17970897405899525264

[weary scarab]

i like oa more then falcons and fnatic but its not looking good for them bruv

[glass sleet]

TM is my team but then I just cheer for a team when the game is fun

[stray quarry]

GRAHHHHHHHHHH

[glass sleet]

Why is falcons first place and tm second?

[weary scarab]

i mean they are shared 1st place

[stray quarry]

they are tied

[glass sleet]

The thing says falcons is #1 and tm is #2

[stray quarry]

look at number

woaw

[glass sleet]

IN THE FUCKING STREAM

[stray quarry]

ok stream is cooked

GG EMEA production

[glass sleet]

Dude the area with all the giant screens looks so cool

[wise orbit]

where can i see when matches are scheduled

[glass sleet]

Zeta lost 59% to a team that doesn’t scrim…ggs

[hybrid hollow]

I mean it was 100 straight the moment they capped

[glass sleet]

Unacceptable

[hybrid hollow]

true

Why is coluge even getting kills

Zeta washed

[glass sleet]

Fr

100%

Dude these streams are so long!!!

[hybrid hollow]

tr33 going to Val after ewc

[glass sleet]

Lol

All hitscans go to valo

Freaking aimers

[humble token]

Would be very shoked if they get a Mao from falcons

[glass sleet]

OMG

[errant hornet]

alphayi on his throwing arch

[weary scarab]

man the koreans are really not looking strong for this tourney

only racoons that have been good

[humble token]

Falcons?

[glass sleet]

Too close

[weary scarab]

cuz they played some guys without a salary from south america

[stray quarry]

alphayi had enough of the entire justice throwing his games he said it’s my turn

[glass sleet]

Tbf…they played against a South American team.

[weary scarab]

nah same with them. they almost lost a map to the aussies

[humble token]

wait what?

[glass sleet]

They lost first round

[humble token]

Its only a round

[weary scarab]

third round was close aswell

[humble token]

Oh

[glass sleet]

Yeah but you’re falcons, why are you losing a round to a team from AUS?

[weary scarab]

it looked like the aussie dps line was stronger

[humble token]

I disnt watch the game

[humble token]

😭

[hybrid hollow]

Wait that's zss

I thought that was seeker this whole time

two white guys with glasses and blonde hair

[wise orbit]

what do u guys think of the hero ban system

[weary scarab]

its nice

makes it way more interesting

[hybrid hollow]

I like it until lgd plays

Let my goat play Winston 💔💔💔💔

[weary scarab]

why are these mfs still playing the pharah mauga comps

[wise orbit]

i like the strategy it adds

[hybrid hollow]

Stuck in a time loop

Production 🔥

[weary scarab]

alr im playing marvel rivals until the ssg vs vp match begin

[wise orbit]

when is it

[weary scarab]

dont know lol this match was supposted to start like 1 hour and a half ago

[wise orbit]

damn

[hybrid hollow]

Fnatic vs ntmr way better than this

[frail whale]

tomorrow is gonna be so much better matches then today bro

tm vs falcons. crazy racoons vs toronto. falcons vs lgd, zeta vs ence, ssg vs fnatic

[slate siren]

Falcons and lgd should ego dive each other

Fuck all that other shit

Play some real overwatch

[frail whale]

i think tm vs falcons would be closer then lgd vs falc

if falcons really want to win over lgd

they just swap in hanbin diva

[hybrid hollow]

Zeta vs lgd would be way better without bans

[weary talon]

Ewc has started ? Lol

0 marketing

0 publicity

[frail whale]

nahhhh

u didnt know fr?

[glass sleet]

Omg zeta is cooked

They lost a map??

M80 bans sigma

HOW DID A TEAM THAT DOESNT SCRIM TAKE A MAP OFF ZETA???

[hybrid hollow]

They played fearless on shamboli

[glass sleet]

Wow

[frail whale]

god why have both teams picked the same maps

2 times in a row

[glass sleet]

SSG v VP the last game?

[frail whale]

https://x.com/Youbi_OW/status/1816128551961137273 lmfao

Twis Youbi (@Youbi_OW) on X

Back to back win vs china 🇨🇳 3-0 @OnceAgainOW im best sym in the world 🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🇸🇦🇸🇦🇸🇦
@TVNT___ 🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐

Twitter · Jul 24, 2024, 3:09 PM

i didnt even see this shit

[native crest]

Wtf is goin on

Is this a legacy tournament for NA?

[static pond]

Wtf why are fnatic playing ball

[wary birch]

fnatic backline is so fucking washed up

[native crest]

☠️☠️

NA lowkey best in the west?????

Ultimate cumback????

I might have to get an American passport soon

Pledge allegiance

[weary scarab]

finally

ssg vs vp

i hope vp wins this lowkey

1:0 vp damn

[errant hornet]

ISTG the Mauga has yet to work

I keep seeing it and it keeps looking underwhelming compared to the ram

[weary scarab]

yeah

and why are they playing seicoe backbone lol

[hybrid hollow]

idk

Sparkr can play tracer as well

First time I seen sparkr back in contenders was on tracer actually 💀

[weary scarab]

LMAO

WHAT IS HAPPENING

ntmr is beating fnatics

and ssg is losing to vp

fnatics might be out before groups end if they lose this lol

[hybrid hollow]

Infekted showing that white boy Winston aura

Zss giving donghak fielder flashbacks

VP might be one of my favorite teams after today

Made this day not boring

Omg Infekted is cooking

Wait no both streams are interesting rn I'm so split

[frail whale]

tm vs hangzhou and falc vs tgs might have been the only clear winners today

every game so close

[hybrid hollow]

OMFG

NO WAY

[weary scarab]

OMG

[hybrid hollow]

NA ISNT DEAD

INFEKTED

[weary scarab]

LMFAO

[hybrid hollow]

MY KING

WHITE BOY WINSTON

[bold python]

???

[weary scarab]

Bro its not looking good foor fnatic

[hybrid hollow]

bro Infekted and seeker just reverse swept Fnatic

is today real

[glass sleet]

Guys i think first day wasn’t as boring as we all thought it’d be

[frail whale]

what

[hybrid hollow]

Am I dreaming

[native crest]

???????

???????

[hybrid hollow]

Did na just upset

[bold python]

Falcons nearly lost 2 maps and CR lost 2 fights all series, how was the falcons game not close and the cr game was close?

[native crest]

???????

[hybrid hollow]

ARE WE BACK CHAT???

[native crest]

NA LEGACY TOURNAMENT

OMG

[hybrid hollow]

RAHHHHH

[native crest]

LOOOLLLLLLL

[hybrid hollow]

🇺🇲🇺🇲🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅

[frail whale]

im not counting the cr game bro they played a bunch of masters players

[glass sleet]

Now people don’t feel bad about zeta and yeti not going to Dallas.

[native crest]

THE RETURN OF DONALD TRUMP MADE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN

LMAOOOOOOO

[frail whale]

yeah maybe tm vs hangzhou was the only one out of 2 top teams playing

[bold python]

Idk if you can call either a top team or anything close to it

[frail whale]

you def can

[bold python]

Losing to TM like that is automatic bottom tier team relegation

[glass sleet]

I’m not watching the last game. Is EWC posting games on YouTube?

[hybrid hollow]

IS THIS THE MOST AURA EVER TAKEN IN ONE PHOTO???????

[bold python]

TM is already a below average team at this tourney

[native crest]

Wat timezone r u