esports-discussion

[errant hornet]

at least he isnt TVNT

[robust patio]

ksaa left cus of youbi drama

[weary scarab]

why is youbi always talking man 🤣

[errant hornet]

Twisted Minds try to keep a roster for more than a month challenge:

[weary scarab]

tms manager is shit too

like why kick kellan

or make him leave

and why not get a korean level flex dps

that mf also risked faiths carreer

[robust patio]

well they somehow got bliss and vigilante

imagine if they didnt have that backline 💀

[frail whale]

vigi is not the greatest rn

[errant hornet]

ok but at this point id rather them just get a new tank and fucking keep whatever they have

for like at least a few months

than just the revolving door

[robust patio]

yea lets say tm kicks vigil

who they recruiting

yzn?

[errant hornet]

XD

[robust patio]

dps team

[frail whale]

yznsa support

surely he is good at it he got top 1 😂

[robust patio]

lbdd quartz youbi yzn

what a team

with tvnt tank

[errant hornet]

my goat of elo maxxing

got champ 1 1000% naturally with no fuckery involved

[frail whale]

tbf tho his champ 1 is legit

[robust patio]

rank means nothing to pro players

which makes yzn not a pro player atm

when does his ban even get lifted anyways

[errant hornet]

even then he has so much baggage idk if many teams would want him

[robust patio]

has it been a year yet

[errant hornet]

like not even dissing his play per say but I am pretty sure hes a pos as well

known for it by a lot of people

[frail whale]

i dont even think he wants to be in the pro scene when his ban runs out. but if he wants twisted is picking him up for sure

[errant hornet]

so idk if there are a ton of teams that are just chill with that

ig aside from twisted yeah

but idk if tm would need fucking yzn

[frail whale]

yznsa right can play like pharah, echo, hanzo, mei, sym on a pro level

[robust patio]

bruh twisted doesnt need any more dps 💀

[frail whale]

they need youbi out to be some sort of coach

get a good flex dps

and also yznsa

[robust patio]

tho youbi is a scum

they need youbi for his tracer

lbdd and quartz is way better

than yzn

[errant hornet]

well

yzn is too

[frail whale]

not lbbd7

[errant hornet]

so ig there is no winning

[robust patio]

what tm really need rn is tank and a main sup

[errant hornet]

yeah

they can work around youbi quartz fine and have shown it

[robust patio]

lbdd on orisa

was jokes

💀

[errant hornet]

I heard in the grapevines he has an insane winston XD

just wait till you see LBDD7 on ball

[robust patio]

junbin ball vs lbdd ball

https://tenor.com/view/sips-tea-stephen-a-smith-gif-13112895

[weary scarab]

lbdd7 dosent even grind ow anymore lol

he just plays valorant

[robust patio]

probably wanna get better aim

[frail whale]

https://youtu.be/_91UkpbLle0?si=dPEMOZF56JLXYnVa

[robust patio]

quartz got that kor logo 🔥

[weary scarab]

TM rightnow is not scrimming the western teams

only scrimming asia

[cold pond]

omg

long time no see

[hybrid hollow]

Unfortunately for TM they would need him to be better than heesang stalker and backbone on their respective heros

And he's just not

[glass sleet]

Scum?

[glass sleet]

All the big teams besides ence and m80 are boot camping in Korea.

[glass sleet]

Yeah I’d be terrified if a dps on tank was giving pros real trouble.

[glass sleet]

They’re cursed. They went from having the same roster for over 2 years winning everything to changing roster every few months

[weary scarab]

tm is not bootcamping

they are scrimming them from saudi

[glass sleet]

Same thing just worse

[errant hornet]

I honestly hope esp ssg and toronto keep doing it

moreso toronto since the NA scrim bubble is like

tragic

and Toronto could be good if they keep doing those bootcamps and do them well

at least EU teams aren't that fucking terrible and they have a strong playstyle that can work

TOR basically only scrims EU rn on ping XD

[hybrid hollow]

Idk how they're doing rn but ik after dallas casores said they started doing much better in scrims

Ewc could be one of the best events for ow2 ngl

I think the meta can be pretty fun and with people boot camping right before means the matches are gonna be of higher quality

[errant hornet]

I agree with that

I think if there was no mentions of bootcamping and stuff I would be hyper doomer on NA

well

im doomer for NA but not as much Toronto

[frail whale]

https://x.com/esports_ROC/status/1812580179530723590

ROC (@esports_ROC) on X

Legendary has became one of our Legends!

Please welcome @LegendryOW as a content creator 💜🦅

Twitter · Jul 14, 2024, 8:09 PM

Finally they got an actual good saudi player in their team

[hybrid hollow]

I mean he's a content creator

So I don't think he's playing

[frail whale]

Wait i didnt pay attention

damn

lol

[robust patio]

tm lost ksaa cus of youbi

[weak frost]

isn't he from uae

[lavish prism]

Isnt that one of the open transphobes?

[frail whale]

Idk couldn’t care much tbh either

[frail whale]

Yea

[full monolith]

could anyone respond and give me tips to the ticket I made in gameplay advice?

[glass sleet]

What happened

[cold pond]

who is the best echo rn i can watch

[errant hornet]

heesang pprob

[deft wolf]

no idea but watch fleta in owl ssn3 or yaki if u want something old

[rugged quest]

So they should bench youbi but pick up a worse played than him in yznsa? makes no sense

[robust patio]

heesang

[robust patio]

idk all i know is ksaa left cus of beef with youbi

[rugged quest]

also if yznsas heropool was useful lbbd would be getting playtime..

but it isnt

sure they could upgrade on flex dps but yznsa does nothing for them

[glass sleet]

Why is everyone talking about yznsa playing in TM? He’s just a streamer. They already have Youbi and lbbd7. It makes no sense to add yznsa who only plays Pharah and echo

[weak frost]

yzn is banned from blizzard events anyway lol

he wouldn't be able to play

[hybrid hollow]

Is quartz not playing?

[glass sleet]

I don’t see why he wouldn’t

Man I can’t wait for ewc. Super excited for it

[sullen berry]

https://youtu.be/LQDmDpoTuKA?si=Yzu5VYVkBNH8O6J_

[sullen berry]

https://x.com/99divine_/status/1812783851594457310?s=46

99 DIVINE (@99divine_) on X

🚨 Big News!🚨

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#99Divine #WelcomeHoChiLee #OWCS #OWEsports

Twitter · Jul 15, 2024, 9:38 AM

https://x.com/99divine_/status/1812710820830499296?s=46

99 DIVINE (@99divine_) on X

Miku Fan Club X 99DIVINE for OWCS Japan Stage 2
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#OWCS #OWCSJAPAN #Overwatch2

Twitter · Jul 15, 2024, 4:48 AM

Frogger out here tryna steal 2nd place in Japan with Romani and make it to Dreamhack EU

Also new MFC logo

[bitter marlin]

they are probly thinking it because at some point he was in TM

[hybrid hollow]

Romani taiyo and Frogger sharing a roster is not something i expected to see

[frail whale]

Because the yznsa ban will expire soon. And I wonder if he will go to a team or just stream content

Would just be fun to see the saudis playing togheter tbh

[worn falcon]

taiyo is alive also frogger?!

[sullen berry]

Romani Frogger run it back as the imports this time in Miku’s home region (I still don’t know if being gaslight or if this is actually real tbh, they’ll make it straight out of qualifiers this month which aren’t broadcasted)

[sullen berry]

https://youtu.be/zTT2QVV5gxc?si=Y0Rlkqq_W-FmzB2i?t=57

[glass sleet]

Didn’t he announce his pro play retirement?

[glass sleet]

They’re playing in Japan region?

[hybrid hollow]

Makes sense tbh Japan needs the viewership and it's not as difficult as na or eu

Well actually idk if the Japanese pro scene does well like viewer count wise

But ik a lot of ppl don't know the players over there so having Frogger and Romani can help bring more eyes to the scene

And old shock fans should know taiyo from the two games crusty had him play lol

[static pond]

https://youtu.be/scPL6F4rMhQ?si=VAsFuNbifYHpiwx4

Looking at old ow clips compare to what ow
Is now lol

[hybrid hollow]

Try to do that with reaper now you get slept, naded, hooked, cleansed, whipshotted, and caged

[static pond]

https://youtu.be/rZZsJP8Ebv4?si=zBuDwCFe6CWZNhYq

https://youtu.be/FsNsUZ2SZ7I?si=6gY3FTvURGWN4qRP

Looking at old vids lmao

https://youtu.be/7zTT3UcHem0?si=K58HMzuZdYn6Q4gU

https://youtu.be/vDqVPLOLTn0?si=b3RkJcZ-Hni3_Wce

[static pond]

So real

[hybrid hollow]

A Fortnite YouTuber having a owl compilation is crazy

[glass sleet]

Japan was actually thriving last owcs

[hazy marsh]

character gameplay trailer ass cassidy clip

[sullen berry]

Yuh

I didn't make any mistakes

If they qualify and make it to groups, they might face competition to be top 3, given how predictable VARREL and Insomnia were locked in before playoffs started

that means while frogger will either be a sub on ping, he's extremely popular in Japan (not Ta1yo levels)

Frogger will get to play in a LAN finals for OWCS Japan and they could make the easiest possible run to Dreamhack (if they somehow manage to compete with the rest of Korea)

[bold python]

Frogger would be on less ping than he usually is

[sullen berry]

Optimal competitive Australian ping (they killed off Contenders Australia for this)

China works too for WA if it wasn't so hard to get into good tournaments over there

[robust patio]

it wouldnt be fun if yzn plays for saudi cus they wont get a single map

[bold python]

That does sound kinda fun

[glass sleet]

Lol dota has been on for 40 hours live

[frail whale]

If pharah was as strong as she was couple weeks ago they will def do

I miss the ksa qualifiers vibes ngl

[glass sleet]

I think you give yznsa too much credit tbh

Besides, TM already has lbbd7

[static pond]

https://x.com/ence_ow/status/1813183319309160837?s=46

ENCE Overwatch (@ENCE_OW) on X

EWC is right around the corner, so let's catch up! 🤩

For the duration of the EWC we have some exciting subs coming in: 📜

MirroR subbing in for Chase 🛡️

@Rakattack amplifying the backline, loan from @NRGgg 🚑

@WMaimone_OW strenghtening the DPS lineup ⚔️

Twitter · Jul 16, 2024, 12:06 PM

I THINK THIS MEANS HE CAN SEE KNIFE

[bitter marlin]

the NRG bank

[frail whale]

Nah people
Just underrate him
because he grinds ranked thinking he is not a pro player

[hybrid hollow]

What a roster lol

Wait maimones name is literally his name

[chrome kindle]

Vestola too

Uses his real name

And Kai ofc

[glass sleet]

But that’s the truth.

[bitter marlin]

the real shock is that vestola is named ilari, but he doesnt play ilari

[hybrid hollow]

Plot twist blizzard named the hero after vestola

[frail whale]

Maybe the truth on twitter

[glass sleet]

Wdym

[frail whale]

That people on twitter love to talk shot ab him

[glass sleet]

Me having an opinion on him doesn’t mean I’m shit talking him bro

[frail whale]

Not you, people saying that he is only good in ranked

[glass sleet]

He was really good in OWWC but it was only group stages

If you wanna watch him play, he’s playing for roc esports for Saudi eleague

[frail whale]

They signed him?

[glass sleet]

Yeah but do you think they’d put in yznsa echo over Seicoe’s echo?

[frail whale]

Def

[glass sleet]

💀

Seicoe’s echo is the best in the west

[frail whale]

Mf Said skull acting like seicoes echo ain’t mid

[glass sleet]

Did you even read what I said?

[frail whale]

Yznsa is a better echo pöayer

Straight up

[glass sleet]

…

No, it’s not.

Seicoe’s echo is on KR level. Yznsa no disrespect was getting shit on my leave’s echo

[frail whale]

Yznsas echo is very much Korea level

This is just pure copium

[glass sleet]

Yeah from you

[frail whale]

And when did he get shit on by leaves echo lol

In scrim where leave played tracer?

[glass sleet]

In World Cup

[glass sleet]

I said echo

Hello?

[frail whale]

He didn’t play echo vs yznsa

[glass sleet]

He did

Do you even know leave? He plays echo too

Dude yznsa can’t even play comp without mercy pocket wdym?

[frail whale]

Yes but they didn’t play echo

[frail whale]

His champ 1 without echo being his most played hero lol

[glass sleet]

No, they did. That’s why we care and compared bro

Jeez

[frail whale]

Send link

[glass sleet]

Yeah he’s busy playing Pharah mercy. His echo isn’t that good I guess you’re right.

[frail whale]

Not pharaoh either lol

[glass sleet]

Don’t have it

[frail whale]

He’s most played was sombra cas

[glass sleet]

Sure

I’ve seen his games. He duos with really good players and he also gets a mercy pocket the whole time

[frail whale]

He duos with his friend legendary most of the time

[glass sleet]

Legendary is better than him imo

And he’s not a pro player

[frail whale]

Mercy pocket in champ 1? 😂

[glass sleet]

Yes, he gets a mercy pocket in champ. And getting champ 1 doesn’t mean anything. It’s still ranked btw. Grinding ranked doesn’t mean you’re a pro player. Did you forget?

[frail whale]

I don’t think u understand that most players in high champ are pros

And again, why would he get mercy pocket on sombra?

[glass sleet]

I don’t think you understand that he doesn’t always play against them

[frail whale]

Yes he does lmao

[glass sleet]

And even then, they’re not taking the game seriously cuz it’s comp

You’re in such denial it’s kinda freaky.

[frail whale]

How am I in denial

[glass sleet]

You think he’s better than Seicoe

Seriously?

[frail whale]

Yes, on echo pharaoh

Seicoe echo is not even crazy

[glass sleet]

Seicoe’s echo IS better and he doesn’t play Pharah

[frail whale]

Maybe compare him to leave

Not seicoe loö

[glass sleet]

Seicoe is the best echo in the west wdym not crazy?

Both Seicoe and leave have better echos than yznsa

[frail whale]

Lennys echo is better, even saunas echo is better

[glass sleet]

…holy shit

Is that bait?

[frail whale]

Noor

[glass sleet]

No, seriously. No way that’s real.

Fuck…

Nvm I’m done with this conversation. You’re right I agree 100%

Yznsa is the best and sauna and and sugarfree’s echos are better than Seicoe

👍🏻

[frail whale]

Yznsa is better then a tracer player whos has a decent echo flex

It’s kinda funny how even kevsters echo got diffed vs yznsa and somehow u make the argument thay seicoe has a better echo then him

[static pond]

Heesang, fleta, stalker, proper, and kev

[static pond]

No point in arguing with someone
Like that

[static pond]

I would argue
Lip echo is still better then yznsa

[frail whale]

Yes But not seicoe

[glass sleet]

Calling Seicoe a one trick tracer is mad disrespectful and ignorant

[static pond]

Ye it hypocritical

[glass sleet]

No ok calm down there buddy

[plush grail]

real question why the FUCK does a team need 4 tanks

do vestola, chase, cloudy and mirror intend on all just one-tricking a hero

[weak frost]

chase isn't going

cloudy I assume won't play unless rein is somehow meta

so vestola plays Sig ram etc mirror plays dive tanks

ig

[plush grail]

why have like 4 people on payroll then

unless its all just for show and they dont get paid shit

[glad rampart]

we doing pugs who wanna join ? dm me

[hybrid hollow]

I don't think chase is going to Saudi (I think) cloudy literally just doesn't play and Vestola is an off tank player so they brought in mirror

[hybrid hollow]

Idk bc cloudy was on the team prior to them getting picked up by an org

Idk if he's signed as a streamer or a player

I assume mirror isnt getting paid tht much since he's only coming in for ewc but I'm sure he still gets a good cut of earnings

[glad rampart]

guys dm me if you wanna join pugs

[hybrid hollow]

Did you just say Lenny??? DIDDYFREE??? has a better echo than seicoe???

I love Lenny but bros echo is not better than seicoe

[hybrid hollow]

But a tracer player is more valuable than a echo/pharah player

I'll rather have a top tier tracer with a serviceable echo than a echo with a serviceable tracer

[glass sleet]

But the thing is…his echo is really good. Seicoe’s echo is really good.

Some Coaches said his echo is “KR level”

[frail whale]

His echo is fire

[frail whale]

Yeah he is the way better player overall I’m just saying that he is a tracer god and not a echo god

It’s one of his flexible hero’s

Which he is good at

[hybrid hollow]

Man last time I remember Lenny playing echo was in 2023 world cup against Mexico 😭

[glad rampart]

if you wanna play pugs rn yes yes rn dm me rn yes yes

we need 1 person for pugs plz dm me

[cold pond]

top 3 tracers in pro scene rn?

[hybrid hollow]

Proper heesang stalker?

Proper heesang Kev?

idk the third one can be debated tbh

[olive glade]

Nah seicoe is better right now then kev
But tbh I think decay should be in the top 3

[uncut drum]

????????????????????????????

decay

top 3

wtf

[static pond]

Heesang proper lip

Imo

Actually I think lip is tied with stalker stalker has higher still celling but lip more consistent

[cold pond]

thx i will check those out

what about ashe

actually probably no point since she isnt really played

[stray quarry]

lip i remember has a pretty good ashe

[cold pond]

yea i probably watched all of his old ashe vids

[cold pond]

as well as mn3

[worn falcon]

Proper, Kev, Striker

and SBB my goat

[bold python]

Proper heesang stalker

Alphayi and Kevster are up there as well

Decay, Seicoe and Viper are top tier as well, Happy and Checkmate are really good but haven’t played in high elo in a while

And LIP but he’s better on other heroes

[wet seal]

1. leave
2. leave
3. leave

[bold python]

It’s hard to rate the Chinese players since they haven’t competed in a year but in good form Leave is top tier

[glass sleet]

You really said kev like stalker wasn’t the best tracer in owl 23?

[glass sleet]

Lip is definitely the worst tracer out of those people. Dude was getting tracer diffed by shy…

He kept blinking into walls and stuff. Wanna say it’s funny but it just reminds me of myself

[robust patio]

he aint a pro my guy

[robust patio]

heesang proper stalker

[robust patio]

dep diem lip

[frail whale]

PRO player not a tier 1 player

[robust patio]

eh

[robust patio]

either way even if yzn joined TM, they wouldn’t qualify at all in the world cup

you got
lbdd youbi quartz tvnt bliss vigilante

[vale delta]

given that he most likely cant force players in matches to wintrade

he probably is only good in ranked.

[robust patio]

quartz: S tier
lbdd: B tier
youbi: A tier
tvnt: D tier
bliss: B tier
vigil: B tier

yzns like F tier

tm alr got 3 dps, they dont need a fourth

what tm really need is a better tank

[frail whale]

No way lbdd7 at b tier

Yznsa is actually good ar his 2 tricks

Lbbd7 man he even becoming bad at his own dps 😂

[robust patio]

his rank automatically goes down when hes benched

why do u think lbdd is benched

[frail whale]

Cuz lbbd7 is not good

And his barely playing

[robust patio]

yea hes B

[robust patio]

whixh makes him a B

[frail whale]

Deserves lower then b

Especially if bliss is b tier

And yznsa is f

[robust patio]

THERES RUNES IN OW?

💀

[glass sleet]

Oh they got bliss. Kellex, admiral, lbdd7, skai, crispy…did I miss anyone. That’s all their Lucio players the past 6 months

All the players that played Lucio for TM i should say

[robust patio]

im talking about only current rosters

[glass sleet]

I’m just saying they kept changing so many times. They can’t find their synergy.

Do you think bliss is better than Kellex?

[robust patio]

they both mid

[glass sleet]

Kellex was one of the best Lucios in eu

Kellex, admiral, and Astro.

[robust patio]

even if kellex and admiral didnt leave

tm aint qualifying

[glass sleet]

Wish admiral stayed in TM. I think him being in US made it hard

[glass sleet]

Dude TM’s biggest issue is their tank. A “mid” Lucio would’ve been fine

[glass sleet]

Qualify for what? They’re already going to EWC

[robust patio]

they are only in the group stages

[robust patio]

duh

idek if tm can beat GREATSHOWMEN

[glass sleet]

With their current roster issue I wouldn’t be surprised if they lost

Man it’s hard being a TM fan these days. They’re struggling so hard. Eh, I guess i should be use to it since I was a Seoul Infernal fan lol

[robust patio]

as a shanghai fan i feel u for some things

[glass sleet]

Lol

[robust patio]

i love the prime shd

[glass sleet]

I was only able to watch last season of owl so I missed out on fusion

[robust patio]

fate void fleta leejaegon izayaki

[glass sleet]

Didn’t they have fearless?

Lip?

[robust patio]

old:fusion
new: infernal

[robust patio]

yea

new season

[glass sleet]

Yeah they rebranded I know

[robust patio]

but prime roster when they won grandfinal

[glass sleet]

No way. I thought they won with fearless and lip

[robust patio]

they did yea

[glass sleet]

I guess only the supports are still competing

[robust patio]

they were on the rosters too

[glass sleet]

Oh I see

[robust patio]

fearless and lip too

thats why im cheering for CR and Zeta

[glass sleet]

Lol yeah I know those two ofc are still but I meant out of the ones you mentioned

[glass sleet]

EWC is gonna be so hype ngl. So many teams to cheer for

Who’s zeta’s other tank? Bernar?

[robust patio]

Cr
Pavane: shd coach, 2018 Kor worldcup coach
Kong: shd coach 2020 Prime shd
Moon: head coach of shd

Lip: Shd

Zetas coach is also shanghai

[robust patio]

yes

[glass sleet]

Houston tanks back at it

[robust patio]

• fearless shd

[glass sleet]

I wish them good luck against falcons and CR

[robust patio]

finals either gonna be Proper vs Lip

[glass sleet]

Wish it was 24th already bro

[robust patio]

again

[glass sleet]

Probably yeah

But this time falcons will win

Btw all the big teams are boot camping in Korea

Idk what the meta is currently after the tank changes

[robust patio]

fnc: shd backline(izayaki leejaegon)

[robust patio]

zeta might win too

either cr falc or zeta

[robust patio]

they got runes now too

[glass sleet]

Yeah but is izayaki still playing at that level? He was kinda away for a long time

[glass sleet]

Wtf is runes

[robust patio]

remember

FTG was

3rd for asia

[glass sleet]

Fnatic is ftg right?

[robust patio]

FtG would roll emea and na

[robust patio]

yea

they almost beat falcons

3-2

[glass sleet]

Oh I’m not saying they won’t lol. I’m saying will he be playing as well. Who was the older flex support?

[robust patio]

now they got fearless now

[glass sleet]

Yeah that series was fun

[robust patio]

soooooi

stronger version frg

ftg

[glass sleet]

Winton seems strong so he might be playing a lot

[glass sleet]

Ofc. They’re more flexible now to say the least

Oh izayaki is in instead of finn?

No wait

That’s not right

MAN! Teams getting orgs and changing names got me confused

Violet and Finn are in zeta

Izayaki is in fnatic…?

[robust patio]

nah im talking about zeta

[glass sleet]

Leegaegon and izayaki

[robust patio]

they are fnc

[glass sleet]

Yep yep

[robust patio]

zeta = stronger ftg

[glass sleet]

Idk about Finn

[robust patio]

finn is yeti

yeti = fnc

[glass sleet]

He went to fnatic?

[robust patio]

fnc got yeti

[glass sleet]

Bro yeti was bliss and someone else

[robust patio]

yeti(4 th in owcs KOREA) = team who failed to get on owcs asia

[glass sleet]

Dude I know who yeti is

[robust patio]

wait wait wait

im getting it all mixed

[glass sleet]

Knife, viper, donghak, bliss, and faith?

[robust patio]

yeh u right

[glass sleet]

YEA YOU ARE

[robust patio]

izayaki was ftg

but moved to fnc

[glass sleet]

Which is making me confused as well lol

[robust patio]

backline swapped

[glass sleet]

Roc

Izayaki was roc lol

[glass sleet]

Ftg was Finn and Violet

[robust patio]

breh so confusin

[glass sleet]

Yep

[robust patio]

wait

i was right

[glass sleet]

I know the old rosters but I don’t know after getting orgs and everyone swapping around

[robust patio]

zeta = Ftg

• fearless

i just didnt know it was finn and viol

🤣

[weary scarab]

If tm is out I’m going for fnatic 100%

[robust patio]

they might actually beat falcons

[glass sleet]

Exactly bro

[weary scarab]

Bigger chance of beating raccoons

[robust patio]

3rd asia 3rd korea owcs

[weary scarab]

Tbh

[robust patio]

nah

[weary scarab]

They already beat racoons

In owcs

[robust patio]

3-0 ftg

[glass sleet]

So izayaki and leegaegon in fnatic

[robust patio]

3-2 for ftg falcons

[glass sleet]

Yeti beat cr and ftg beat fal

[robust patio]

racoon can just ban winston

if fearless plays

and junbin play ball

[glass sleet]

For one map

[robust patio]

junbin more flexible

doesnt matter if its one map

[glass sleet]

They’ll just ban ball if junbin plays

[hybrid hollow]

I did say the third was debatable

I think it's stalker too but I understand why ppl would argue for kev

[glass sleet]

No you can’t say that. Stalker is way better than kev

Shame on you

[robust patio]

kevster aura is gone now

[glass sleet]

I don’t. He’s overrated

[robust patio]

bro aint top 3 tracer

[hybrid hollow]

Kai sucked away his aura

[robust patio]

top 3 overall dps is
Heesang Lip proper

[glass sleet]

Fearless can play rein, doom, and winton

[glass sleet]

Stalker was playing great too

[robust patio]

top 4 is stalker

[glass sleet]

It’s not fair you think he wasn’t performing well along side them

[robust patio]

stalkers pulse is nasty

[weary scarab]

Vipers pulse bombs>

[robust patio]

but heesangs pulse is on another lvl

[glass sleet]

Bro

[hybrid hollow]

I will always find a way to slander kai

[glass sleet]

Heesang was cooking ngl

[weary scarab]

I’ve not seen viper miss a pulse

[glass sleet]

I wonder why

Btw

[hybrid hollow]

no reason tbh

[glass sleet]

Mirror is playing for ence?

[weary scarab]

Kai is very good

[hybrid hollow]

yeah

[weary scarab]

People just overhate him

[robust patio]

heesang: most POTM total(owcs asia+ korea)

[weary scarab]

Top 4 hits an eu

[glass sleet]

I stopped taking you seriously when you said Lenny’s echo is better than Seicoe’s

[hybrid hollow]

that wasn't him

I think

[weary scarab]

When did I say that

[glass sleet]

Maybe it wasn’t

[hybrid hollow]

Yeah it was the other guy

[glass sleet]

…I need to look at name when I text

My bad

Oh shit it’s the other guy

[hybrid hollow]

So what teams are boot camping in Korea rn

[weary scarab]

Id say proper is the best player for sure right now

[glass sleet]

All the big teams

TM is scrimming on ping tho

[hybrid hollow]

is m80 there too?? If not put tree on Toronto rn

[glass sleet]

Everyone else besides ence and m80 went to Korea

[hybrid hollow]

They cannot stunt the growth of NA's hope

[hybrid hollow]

Omg

[glass sleet]

Are you kidding me? M80 is a fucking joke. They don’t give a fuck about competing. They don’t even scrim

[hybrid hollow]

Nooooo

tree is gonna rot and move to Val if he stays on that team 💔

[glass sleet]

TD wanted to go to EU for boot camp but everyone went to Korea so they said aight guess we going too

[weary scarab]

If it wasn’t for Coluge. M80 would of been good right now

[glass sleet]

Yeah m80 is a joke. Coluge doesn’t even play the game.

[hybrid hollow]

Yeah apparently coluge just misses every flux then swaps hog and gg scrim over

According to tr33

[glass sleet]

They needed a tank cuz Hawk left. Only one available was coluge I guess

[hybrid hollow]

They should've picked me up fr

[weary scarab]

We basically saw the same in the face it matches lol

[glass sleet]

For lyar

[hybrid hollow]

Man m80 just needs a tanks n main support import

Or at least a tank import

[glass sleet]

Btw did you get to play the new event? 10 sec CD on Lucio amp is crazy

[hybrid hollow]

Yeah the support passive is actually broken

[glass sleet]

Is lyar that bad?

[hybrid hollow]

Brig has so much uptime

[glass sleet]

As brig I just pick the third one, I get to run away faster or even push harder when I’m low hp lol

[hybrid hollow]

I think he has potential but he's on a team that doesn't care about player growth at all

[worn falcon]

https://x.com/OWCEsports/status/1813518828661543329?t=xlgF5-fjjiaFQ4TVeHZdug&s=19

Cavalry Esports (@OWCEsports) on X

📰 OWL Championship player & coach @Rascal joins @zetadivision ⚡️

Twitter · Jul 17, 2024, 10:19 AM

[hybrid hollow]

At least Vega is and can get better

[worn falcon]

Rascal my goat

[glass sleet]

M80 just need a Korean tank

[hybrid hollow]

The sleeper goat of overwatch

[glass sleet]

That’s the guy that looked at custa like “wtf is wrong with you?”

[hybrid hollow]

Every time I see an old shock player I still wonder how crusty got that lucky with player quality

Bc i still remember when genji was meta for a stage and taiyo or rascal just didn't play

At all

[weary scarab]

I don’t get how youbi can be asked to play tracer on 100+ ping tbh

[glass sleet]

Dude he always plays on 100 ish

[weary scarab]

I don’t even think I have seen youbi tracer on lan yet

[glass sleet]

He’s top3 tracer in eu and he’s on ping

[weary scarab]

Maybe he is a different beast

[glass sleet]

Playing tracer on high ping is really annoying

[glass sleet]

Wait is he playing tracer in scrims?

Is anyone showing their scrims on twitch?

[weary scarab]

Nah I don’t think so

It’s private af now

[glass sleet]

They’re taking it super seriously

[weary scarab]

The players just say how it goes against teams

Don’t show any footage

[glass sleet]

1 week in Korea then everyone goes and scrims for 1 week in SA

[glass sleet]

What’s the meta?

What are they playing?

[weary scarab]

I think dive is really good right now

[glass sleet]

Winton?

[weary scarab]

Yup

Maybe they are abusing diva

[glass sleet]

EU is screwed

[weary scarab]

Buffs too

[glass sleet]

They can’t play sigma

Into winton

[weary scarab]

Nah vestola best diva eu

Top 3 diva in the world

[glass sleet]

Only cuz ksaa isn’t playing

Is vestola scrimming with Dva?

[weary scarab]

I heard tvnt has an okay diva aswell

No idea

[glass sleet]

Oh brother

I am not confident in tvnt

[weary scarab]

But I’m guessing diva winston maybe mauga

Meta

[glass sleet]

He has a good sigma but I don’t think it’s a sigma meta

[weary scarab]

Yeah the hero bans too will be really bad for tvnt

Korea got lucky lowkey

[glass sleet]

Vestola too.

[glass sleet]

Nah Koreans just more flexible. It’s a skill not luck

[weary scarab]

Nah Cuz they changed the ban shit so they can change the roster after ban

[glass sleet]

Good

[weary scarab]

It wasn’t like that originally

Big rosters can just get around bans

[glass sleet]

That way you can’t ban sigma cuz vestola is playing for example

[weary scarab]

😦

[glass sleet]

You ban heroes THEN see who plays. That sounds fair

[weary scarab]

Ence probably got mirror in cuz of that

[glass sleet]

Definitely

But the ban is for one game btw

It’s not like he can’t play sigma all series

[hybrid hollow]

So if I ban monkey map one they can play it for the second map?

[weary scarab]

Yeah

[hybrid hollow]

That's actually interesting

[glass sleet]

Yeah

[weary scarab]

But do you know if you can make one ban per map?

[glass sleet]

And if I ban a support, you can’t ban a support as well.

[weary scarab]

Or just one before whole series

[glass sleet]

The ban system has a lot of rules

[elder sandal]

the ewc ban system is kinda interesting

a bit wack but

[glass sleet]

Wdym

[hybrid hollow]

So what if a team that likes dive bans monkey on like Samoa map 1 so they can play it later without worry on like Gibraltar

[glass sleet]

Trying things out. I’m sure they’ll ask the players and viewers afterwards for feedback

[weary scarab]

Like after a map for example you can ban another hero, or can you only ban one hero in the whole match

[glass sleet]

You can ban a hero once

He’s playable rest of the series

[hybrid hollow]

I like that a lot actually

[glass sleet]

I believe it’s one at a time but I’m not sure. Details about that are not out yet

EWC hasn’t spoken about it btw. So it could be more to it

[weary scarab]

God they made ewc so much more interesting then this owcs shit

[glass sleet]

All I know is that you can’t ban the same hero every map, and you can’t ban same role as the enemy team

[glass sleet]

Dallas was really entertaining bro

I enjoyed it a lot

[weary scarab]

Yeah but it wasn’t really stacked with teams

[glass sleet]

The character diversity was great

[weary scarab]

Now we got everyone

[glass sleet]

Oh you mean the Korean teams that couldn’t qualify?

[weary scarab]

Yeah and the new eu teams

[glass sleet]

I think the ban system is to make games more diverse and not constant mirrors along with adding an extra layer of strategy above it

[glass sleet]

How many teams again?

16 right?

Btw. Good for EWC for letting South America play as well. Overwatch just ignored SA but at least EWC isn’t

[weary scarab]

Sa dead tho can’t lie

[glass sleet]

It died cuz blizz left them

[weary scarab]

Most of the players in that team is masters I heard 😂

[glass sleet]

Valo is very big in sa I heard

[weary scarab]

The gap will be insane

[glass sleet]

Good luck to them

They’re going on vacation and getting 10k$

[weary scarab]

Yup

[glass sleet]

Yo

The stages are really nice

[weary scarab]

What games is even one right now

[glass sleet]

I like the trophy design they made. You can add a player’s name to your trophy

[glass sleet]

I believe it’s dota2

League of Legends had over 100k concurrent views

[weary scarab]

Damn 20k people watch dota??

[glass sleet]

Is apex legends part of EWC?

[weary scarab]

Surely

Would be crazy if they didn’t feature it

[glass sleet]

Is it grand finals?

[glass sleet]

I’d watch r6, apex, and overwatch

[weary scarab]

Dk man i don’t understand shit watching it lol

[weary scarab]

I was gonna watch duty, overwatch and fn

But they made fn boring a

F

[glass sleet]

Never liked fort

[dull valve]

Someone can explain to me how the world cup slots work?

[glad rampart]

we are doing pugs and we need 1 person dm me

[hazy marsh]

wrong channel

[worn falcon]

https://x.com/yjw891213/status/1813540425019584668

Yjw1213 (@yjw891213) on X

OWCS KR Open Qualifier Team Metamong

Coach : Undine

DPS : Zest, seonjun, Prophet
TANK : MAG
SUP : vindaim, leesoomin

Twitter · Jul 17, 2024, 11:45 AM

washed team wow

[strong nymph]

Group b in EWC overwatch looks stacked

Team china and falcons with twisted minds

Crazy

[olive glade]

Yeah I mean I'd might buy in the dps line a bit but not in the rest

[worn falcon]

🤔

Nenne 🙏

[mortal cipher]

Nenne and Ryujehong

[sullen berry]

Now watch me

[worn falcon]

dont flop the grav

[glass sleet]

Zest isn’t washed

[gusty rampart]

Zest mid

get a grip

it's 2024

[glass sleet]

Someone woke up on the wrong side of bed

[glass sleet]

Current TM isn’t that good tbh.

[gusty rampart]

someone is in DENIAL

[glass sleet]

Zest isn’t mid. You’re just hangry.

I freaking love when zest goes for tracer sticks.

[gusty rampart]

misses those

[glass sleet]

Nah

Only one that actually goes for them

And it’s so funny when he sticks the other tracer

Showing dominance

[humble token]

Lip glazer

Wait has owcs asia started

Damn

It

Oh ncm

[bold python]

Who isn’t these days

The Overwatch community has more lip gloss than the makeup industry

[bold python]

Didn’t someone on wufeng say Metamong was a top 5 team in the world in scrims

Yeah it was Guxue who said it on stream a couple weeks back

[strong nymph]

yeah ofc its just absurd putting team china with a falcons super team on the same group its criminal

if twisted minds had their 2022 2023 roster they can go for 3rd or 2nd

[weary scarab]

They are still expected to get 3rd place in there group. The great showmen isn’t a good team

[robust patio]

[cold pond]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/919784837999636521.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

long time no see

[ripe oak]

Me: wtaf is this team banner
Also me: sees name is "Miku Fan Club" aka that Miku Fan Club, and instantly it all makes sense

[robust patio]

3rd in their group yea

3rd in total nah

[robust patio]

Yuh

[bold python]

What do you mean TVNT is arguably the best tank in the world, TM could probably push for top 3

[frail whale]

I mean prime twisted would be Europe #1. And many predict ssg in the top 3

[bold python]

💀

[glass sleet]

Who thinks that…?

[bold python]

I’m joking lol TM are so shit

They’re not even top 3 EU and that was before they lost Kellan

[glass sleet]

Tbf, they kept trying to play winton into mauga meta so ofc they weren’t doing so well

Not only was mauga a counter, he was fucking meta oop

They should put ence in falcons group

[bold python]

Yeah but still, they are a team of World Cup winners and OWL Koreans and they couldn’t even make top 3

[bold python]

ENCE is gonna flop probably

I have very little faith in the new roster, too many short notice changes

[glass sleet]

Yeah but ngl they weren’t playing so well. Even vigilante had a lot of stupid mistakes

[bold python]

Kevster diff could still carry them a long way but I doubt they’re getting top 8

[glass sleet]

They’ll make it out of group cuz they’re against m80. A team that doesn’t even scrim

[glass sleet]

Kev can’t carry shit

[bold python]

Yeah because they have a terrible team culture, no permanent coaches etc.

[glass sleet]

A million Lucio players

[bold python]

If Vigilante and Quartz can’t perform then the team is cooked

[glass sleet]

Now they have bliss lol

[bold python]

Yeah Crispy was not great

[glass sleet]

I wish admiral stayed

Kellan, admiral, and vigilante sounds good

I think he left cuz he was playing from NA

[bold python]

I mean he can and consistently does

He absolutely shit on Toronto at Dallas

[glass sleet]

Against bad teams sure

[glass sleet]

He didn’t. Dude what you on about. TD was their own downfall

TD played poorly not kev carrying

[bold python]

I mean Kev is undeniably the best player in the west regardless of TD choking

[glass sleet]

If TD played to their actual level, they’d win.

Idk about that

I still think Seicoe is currently performing better

[frail whale]

Wdym skull lol. 2x eu contenders winners. 1x World Cup winners

[glass sleet]

That sounds like TM

You forgot owcs stage 1 winners

It went downhill after that lol

[bold python]

Kev and Kai are pulling their team kicking and screaming to #2 in the west

[robust patio]

kai is washed

@vale cobalt this dude saying kai is the best in the west

[uncut drum]

read your message again contenders winners

contenders

t2

not t1

[robust patio]

tvnt best tank in no where

💀

[bold python]

If KevKai wasn’t the best dps line in the west then ENCE wouldn’t be able to compete with teams like SSG despite having a significantly worse backline

[frail whale]

Alr and now read where I said best team in eu Since they won eu contenders)

[bold python]

Best EU tier 2 team

[robust patio]

prime Tm aint beating Cr falcon zeta fnc

[bold python]

Cuz the other eu players were in OWL lmao

[frail whale]

Depends on the meta

If sigma comps are meta

They have a great chance

[bold python]

Yeah I swear there were better EU tanks they could’ve gotten idk why he’s here

[robust patio]

nah

[bold python]

Nah lmao

[frail whale]

People said the same about Finland vs Korea, ksa vs china. They are not untouchable bro. Ksa had Korean level signs comp

[uncut drum]

?

[robust patio]

kais soj aim made ence lose

[uncut drum]

you message is still saying after they won contenders

[robust patio]

no matter the meta saudi cant make their full national team

cus they dont have “many” great players

to even make “one” team

[bold python]

Kai is worse than Sparkr but KevKai is better than Sparkr+Seicoe

[frail whale]

Their national team didn’t even have the best roster

[robust patio]

tm managers playing ? 💀💀💀

[frail whale]

Slay and Keller in tm

We’re much better

[robust patio]

ksaa youbi quartz majed lbdd

saudi can only do well in one meta

cus they dont got many great players

[frail whale]

Ksa national team had a mercy one trick on Lucio and a a dps as a supp

[robust patio]

what u r basically saying is u r agreeing with me that saudi won worldcup by meta

which is true

[frail whale]

Yes,

Because

Saudi was the best

At their current meta

[robust patio]

but guess what

[frail whale]

The only team that didn’t play into the meta was china

[robust patio]

korean team weren’t sig meta team

at that time, prime tm would lose to prime toronto

[frail whale]

Hanbin one of the best sigmas

One of the best hitscans

And one of the best flex dps

[bold python]

And the fact that no other team cared about the tournament lol

[weary scarab]

Hahaha

No other team cared about a tournament worth 300k

One of the major tournaments of the year

Just pure copium

[bold python]

I mean like, I don’t think anyone can argue that the tournament means anything lol

[weary scarab]

Of course it means anything

[uncut drum]

the main tournament already ended that was owl

[weary scarab]

It’s a major tournament

[uncut drum]

also owwc only came back

[weary scarab]

But another tournament started with a similar prize pool

[bold python]

Major doesn’t mean anything lol

[uncut drum]

it is not the major one of the year

[bold python]

It’s still a World Cup

[uncut drum]

owl prize pool is over a million

owwc is not the same level as a real world cup

[weary scarab]

Tell me why a team wouldn’t try at a 300k prize pool

Saudi just permofrf the best

I know it is hard to admit

[uncut drum]

cause that is nothing for a team

that will just pay the players

[weary scarab]

But teams tried winning for 300k

[uncut drum]

not more

[weary scarab]

And how much was Dallas major prize pool

Couldn’t you just say that about any tournament this year except ewc

[uncut drum]

there is not a set pay for players in owcs there was in owl

which was my contract

owcs does not have a player set

[bold python]

When the prize pool for first place is less than the minimum pay for OWL idk why the tier 1 players would make it a priority

[uncut drum]

people like profit has like a 300k at one time or something

super also around that number

[weary scarab]

I guess all the teams grinded scrims for fun

[bold python]

There’s a reason the tier 2 players performed above expectation and tier 1 players underperformed

Cuz they had better things to do that play in a Mickey Mouse tournament with temporary teammates

[uncut drum]

it is not Mickey Mouse

it has value

[weary scarab]

What did they have better to do? Quit ow pro scene to get a minimum wage job at mcdonalds?

[uncut drum]

but for players on owl less compared to people in t2 and

[uncut drum]

did you know what was happening while owwc was going on?

owl

the main tournament

[weary scarab]

What was happening

[uncut drum]

owl would be a 2 teir and owwc was a

owl is worth more to players

owwc means more in the pride point

[weary scarab]

Owwc was worth much to china

Was worth much to korea

[uncut drum]

but when ow esports is dying winning owl is worth more

[uncut drum]

?

spark were in owl

[weary scarab]

They wouldn’t spend time of everyday to scrims

[uncut drum]

so where charge and hunters

korea dominated owl with players on most teams

[weary scarab]

Did you watch the wcs before this?

[uncut drum]

just admit that meta was for ksa

[uncut drum]

i have watched ow esports from 2017

from apex

i know what i am talking about

[weary scarab]

No one would disagree. But don’t act like Korea with hanbin lip sparkle can’t play sigma comps well

[weary scarab]

Then you would know that china have wanted a World Cup for a long time

[uncut drum]

no one said that

[bold python]

The bottom line is that if the tournament meant anything competitively then TM and ENCE would both be at least top 5 teams after it as well

But they aren’t

[uncut drum]

the players who have played on team china were top level in owl

owl was worth more to them

yes they wanted to win

but the point was that owl is worth more for the players than owwc

[weary scarab]

TM won stage 1 owcs and ence got second

[bold python]

They both were T2 before OWWC, were really good during OWWC, and then mid again afterwards, while the same players stayed on top consistently outside of OWWC

[uncut drum]

the teams and country owwc would be worth

but the point is players

[uncut drum]

then shit the bed

when they lost their best players

[weary scarab]

How were tm mid after wc lol. They won the first big tournament stage 1 after

Of course they will be bad when they lose their tank

[uncut drum]

winning one thing so far is nothing to talk about when you cant even make it to a major

[weary scarab]

What major didn’t they make it to

[uncut drum]

and barely got to ewc

[weary scarab]

They made it to Dallas even after ksaa left

Which removed their circuit points lol

[uncut drum]

making it to 8th is not a achivement

you make it to ewc as 4th place

[weary scarab]

The thing is

Full TM roster

Didn’t Perform mid at all after wc

Which this guy was claiming

And I’m not talking about a tm without ksaa

[uncut drum]

yeah cause they had kssa

[weary scarab]

Slay Kellex

[weary scarab]

Yeah, and we are talking about full roster tm

[uncut drum]

still a full tm roster still wont be the best in the eu

[weary scarab]

At the moment when they had a full roster they literally was

[uncut drum]

yes for a moment if they stayed together meta would change

and they would be bad

kssa is not a mian tank player

[weary scarab]

Ksaa can play all ground tanks

[uncut drum]

it would be harder to get a great tracer

[weary scarab]

He has the same hero pool as vestola

[uncut drum]

ram was questionable and if you ram is i question if your rein is good

[weary scarab]

No his ram was very good

[uncut drum]

and most main tank metas are a dive menta

meta

with winston

[weary scarab]

How was his ran questionable may I ask

He won stage one on ram and beat enxe in the ram mirror last map

[uncut drum]

when you play into into top level rams like someone

you weakness will be exploited

such as your arm usage

where he was using them so bad

[weary scarab]

Ksaas ram is literally his top 3 characters

[uncut drum]

he ults and ominc mode was great

[weary scarab]

He has a top level ram

[uncut drum]

but if you can brawl well

and can out rotated on ram

you can do much

[weary scarab]

And many coaches even agree that both vestola and ksaa has better ground tanks then someone

The thing about someone is that he is top level at everything

[uncut drum]

you know tanks are not split with ground tanks and air tanks

that is not a thing

[weary scarab]

That’s not what ground tank means

[uncut drum]

vestola would not be a better rein maugau zarya than someone

[uncut drum]

there is not such thing as ground tanks

no one has every called them that

[weary scarab]

Toronto defiant cosch

Ex

London spitfire

Commander x

Even cristfer talks about ground tanks

[uncut drum]

4 people talking about it not the whole community

everyone talks from flex and main

[weary scarab]

The coaches for the ground tank teams lel

[uncut drum]

your point was full tm would be best in eu

which they wont be as stage one was their meta

[weary scarab]

Yes or at top 2 at least

[uncut drum]

full tm would be able to keep up through the year

yes they will beat teams and get upsets

[weary scarab]

Stage one was also ences meta. You know the guy that has one of the best sigmas in the world

[uncut drum]

but to be the best in eu you need to have flexibility

which tm have

but compared to other teams in eu it is less

and with how owcs is trying to keep up with live patches

the meta would change a decent amount comparted to contenders where they were undoubtedly the best

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What eu team has a higher flexibility then tm

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teams with subs

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Only clear one is ssg maybe

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peps

having other players that can expand your team pool is better

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Yeah they have a dive

TM also have a five

On ksaa doom

Youbi tracer

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your dps are covered in terms of flex

but support

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They played that all the time

In contenders

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and tank are you main problems

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Ksaa plays diva, sigma, ram, queen, doom, okay orisa, mauga

Haven’t really seen him play rein ball Winston

Winston ball is the ones he can’t play I think

I agree

Maybe tms support was a little unflexable. But you could make the same point about ex obliviones double flex problems, ence massa lucio (one trick with an alr brig) , ssg funny Astros Lucio one trick with a decent brig

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i am not counting mauga everyone can play mauga

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Same hero pool as vestola

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yeah eu supports are a big problems for every team

unless you get a korean support

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Um…I think it’s obvious that ence has the least flexibility out of the eu teams

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Is bliss a Lucio one trick? I can’t remember if he played brig back in Dallas fuels

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no

he has others

he has shown in owl

but i mean korean supports are the most flexible one i know

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Well I’ve only watched the last season and I wasn’t a Dallas fan so I wasn’t keeping up with him

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always has been

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Yeah obviously Koreans are the most flexible and also can play at that high level

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Nah he has a Ana brig and someone else

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Bliss plays Ana? Lol

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and bap

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Yeah I think I saw a match vs

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I thought he’s a main support

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A top team

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yeah

but they have to flex

in metas

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He’s a main support that has a top level Ana and bap?

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no no

not top level

no where near

but good enough to use in game

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If his bap sucks then it doesn’t count

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not sucks

but top teir is violet and shu

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He means same level as someone like ghost

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I wasn’t thinking that high lol

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oh

lol

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I think Landon is the clear best bap in the world

Tbh

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Yeah like does his bap compete with ghost, slay, and others I can’t think of

Vigilante?

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Really? Even tho shu is still playing?

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I am just referencing commander x lol

Everything he syss