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golden crater
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Looking for A Good players in Overwatch to make a clean roaster in F9 Esports , Dm if your interested

uncut drum
hybrid hollow
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Overwatch was still banned in China at the time

golden crater
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Looking for A Good players in Overwatch to make a clean roaster in F9 Esports , Dm if your interested

fathom igloo
toxic zealot
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Anyone else having problems signing into overwatch because I keep getting “value is invalid”

robust patio
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CR ON TOP

sage grove
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Nice that's cool, we need best players to not play so we can win

glass sleet
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Respectfully

hybrid hollow
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Crazy bc Saudi will not be winning their own event

glass sleet
sage grove
glass sleet
sage grove
sage grove
hybrid hollow
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I fully understand how horrible my region is but it's okay bc all the aura we have

glass sleet
hybrid hollow
glass sleet
hybrid hollow
glass sleet
glass sleet
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Only nrg going lol

hybrid hollow
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Nah he's too young to handle that much aura

glass sleet
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How old is PGE

hybrid hollow
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Shii older than Infekted that's all ik

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I think he's 20 tho

glass sleet
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Lol same

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Oh I was thinking maybe 18-19

hybrid hollow
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Tbh PGE could be immortal

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Only way to explain that massive build up of aura he has

glass sleet
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Anyway, Korea has been winning every tournament so you know how it goes

hybrid hollow
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I'm sending all my energy to guxue to give him a chance

glass sleet
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It’s gonna suck for ence with the ban system cuz they’ll just ban sigma cuz vestola is a one trick

hybrid hollow
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He's gonna beat the washed allegations

glass sleet
hybrid hollow
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Do the bans happen each map or is it just the start of the match

glass sleet
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It makes it so much harder for them

glass sleet
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If they pick a hero every map then vestola will not play

hybrid hollow
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that does suck for ence tho they just ban vestola and force chase to play each map

glass sleet
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Maybe

hybrid hollow
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Yeah crazy racoons looking like the best roster even with bans

glass sleet
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Ghost is also a bap one trick so he might also not play. They’ll have skai in instead

hybrid hollow
glass sleet
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Oh and masaa being a Lucio one trick means he’ll probably not play and that’s why he’s virtue signaling

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Not going and all. Screwing his team over ngl

glass sleet
hybrid hollow
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he's essential to too many comps

glass sleet
hybrid hollow
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they definitely do

glass sleet
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They’ll play their other comps. CR would play their Ana brig comp

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Or Ana kiriko

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As they have

hybrid hollow
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yeah but they can't force it every map

glass sleet
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It’s easier for them when the teams that only play rush don’t have Lucio

hybrid hollow
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Especially if it's koth

glass sleet
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Almost 100k watching lol rn and I have no idea what’s going on.

hybrid hollow
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What game is on rn

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Its still siege right?

glass sleet
glass sleet
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LOL is on!

hybrid hollow
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Ohhh

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Oh

glass sleet
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League of legends

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Sorry

hybrid hollow
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No I genuinely thought u mean laugh out lol

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That's myf

glass sleet
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Lol

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R6 is still playing qualifiers tho

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Over 1k

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lol has a lot of channels and the main one is 80k

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But overall it’s probably 100k

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Around it

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Nvm it’s at least 100k

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Dota 2 is also live with 20k ish

hybrid hollow
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Maybe I should use my vacation time to get into league

glass sleet
hybrid hollow
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Wait there's so many broadcast wtf 😭

glass sleet
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And you also have people co streaming it

sage grove
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Which they probably will

glass sleet
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Plus

glass sleet
sage grove
glass sleet
sage grove
glass sleet
sage grove
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They are streaming league 💀🤢

glass sleet
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Why

sage grove
glass sleet
sage grove
slate siren
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Guys

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When does

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The Saudi e-sports overwatch World Cup start

hybrid hollow
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The overwatch part I mean

hybrid hollow
glass sleet
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24-28

nocturne idol
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Been thinking of starting out in overwatch casting, any idea what the best way to start would be?

tawdry hamlet
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Step 1, be british
Step 2, shave head bald
Step 3, profit

nocturne idol
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Any prefered tutorials on how one becomes british?

rotund garden
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cigars

nocturne idol
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I'll get to it

stray quarry
hybrid hollow
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Or even cgl

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cgl is definitely a good start if you can idk how they go about hiring tbh but ik its a smaller league that still has games happening pretty consistently

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Then you probably move on to things like Calling All Heros and flash ops and faceit league games yk

static pond
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Ok so

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why does the ewc tweet 83k views 1.3k repost but only 104 comments this is there ewc lol btw

glass sleet
olive crag
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l

nocturne idol
whole carbon
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a really good dps dm me

night marsh
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rare bloom
sullen berry
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numbers to EWC doesn't matter - it's happening right now but the Overwatch 2 tournaments are a lot later in the schedule

glass sleet
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Who’s that? I’ve never heard of them

hybrid hollow
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Idk what he'll be signed for

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Unless SSG got sum weird meta read rn

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Sparkr covers all the hs you need + tracer, seicoe covers all the traditional flex dps, and backbone has the weird heros (sym Mei covered)

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And unless the op was trolling it looks like sivaart plays sym so maybe sum Mei sym rein is in the looks

bitter marlin
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tinfoil hat that one of them refuses to go to that tournament because saudi

hybrid hollow
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NOOOO NOT MY GOAT

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WHOS GONNA DIFF KEVSTER NOW 💔💔💔

static pond
static pond
glass sleet
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People still quarantine people from covid?

bitter marlin
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i mean, if you got it, why wouldnt you

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also

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he said "that’s the only reason I can think of."

fathom igloo
hazy marsh
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even the covid shots dont prevent people from getting it tbf

hybrid hollow
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I thinks its more of you're going to a different country with not only ur team but every other team + staff and fans

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For health reasons it's better for him to quarantine

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Maybe he can play on ping or something who knows

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He has an opr account

static pond
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This patch is ass

glass sleet
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I wonder what the meta will be for EWC. Mauga getting nerfed seems like they’ll go back to winton? Since he got buffed and he ignores armor. EU might start playing ram again

glass sleet
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People been getting sick easier and more often since they’ve taken their shots.

glass sleet
sullen berry
glass sleet
weak frost
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idk if it's mandatory in Austria but I don't think so

glass sleet
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Maybe but it’s better to stay home anyway. To not get others sick

glass sleet
weak frost
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I don't think so, but it's still a really infectious illness so you might as well just try to not spread it if you can shrugEg

glass sleet
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True

deft wolf
cold pond
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is guxue winston > fearless winston

shadow flint
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gm

static pond
shadow flint
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omg

hybrid hollow
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We wake up and praise Guxue for allowing us to walk this earth with him

cold pond
sullen berry
worn falcon
stray quarry
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all hail guxue

sullen berry
jovial wing
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@rotund garden

rotund garden
weary scarab
uncut drum
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Ok so

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That chat just shows the sports washing plus faceit doesn't really count as we are not counting those faceit coins

static pond
uncut drum
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Why

static pond
# uncut drum Why

Because apparently there forcing there stuff onto the fans and players

paper totem
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Any idea on OWCS tank meta

hybrid hollow
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Ram sig dva Winston maybe

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expecting rein sig ram out of Europe

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Maybe sum dva too bc vestola

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I definitely see Korea playing a lot of monkey

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Brig is stronger due to the armor changes and the changes kinda fuck over Lucio ult charge since he does less dmg so maybe more ana brig going into ewc

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I can see racoons playing ball ana Kiri again as well

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Pharah is still strong on ladder but with mauga being pretty much gutted on a pro level imo I think echo tracer comes back as well

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Hitscan is also kinda iffy rn

worn falcon
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Dive bias

hybrid hollow
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Me and Finn on the same page fr

worn falcon
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i can see Ram/Sig for EU

sullen berry
errant trench
static pond
hollow briar
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Same with FACEIT

static pond
wet seal
wary skiff
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I'm T500, Dm me interested in playing, this is going in most channels 😁

static pond
uncut drum
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Can someone post the full tweet he blocked me so I can't see it

hybrid hollow
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I thought LG dropped their team for a second

robust patio
worn falcon
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Drama drama

hybrid hollow
weary scarab
mortal cipher
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Wow

static pond
glass sleet
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Is faith a flex support?

hybrid hollow
glass sleet
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I’m sorry but that’s English

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I think…

hybrid hollow
glass sleet
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TM doesn’t want faith cuz they found someone else and PF don’t want him back cuz they have Fixa. Poor faith.

worn falcon
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glass sleet
slate siren
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bro when is the saudi e-sports tournament starting

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where team china is playing

glass sleet
misty torrent
misty torrent
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especially bc im from saudi so i can attend

glass sleet
robust patio
sullen berry
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why twisted hadn't secured the emergency funds to secure the trade and going off "we'll pay u later bro dw" isn't going to give me much confidence in them now

sullen berry
worn falcon
robust patio
weary scarab
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Fnatic>

bold python
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And that was before they picked up the best backline in the history of the game and Checkmate

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Donghak is still a question mark, LJG has had questionable form and and Izayaki has been in Saudi freelo for a bit so they aren't a top 2 team on paper but it is by no means unreasonable for them to play up to a team like Falcons

sullen berry
hybrid hollow
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If the meta is double flex as we expect I think falcons is still at least second

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I don't think there's a roster that can run double flex dps at the same level they can tbh

misty torrent
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usually in other esports they’re kinda mid

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from what i know

hybrid hollow
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besides majed that guys just there for the free travels

misty torrent
misty torrent
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idk if that changed

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but they usually get arab players

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so it’s kinda odd ig

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might be outdated info i have from not keeping up much

worn falcon
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then to use as banner for the EWC

static pond
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Devs making pro retire

static pond
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There tanks and stalker

weary scarab
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i would put falcons over racoons if it will be a double flex meta tbh. Proper is just better at flex dps then lip

hybrid hollow
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It depends on the meta tho and if crusty uses his brain

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Bc when they played echo tracer proper was on echo right?

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I feel like heesang is better than both stalker and proper on echo so why not just stalker on it and keep proper on his comfort

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Well it's a comfort for both players but proper is the better player so

rugged quest
misty torrent
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So guys is there any content creators or videos y’all have seen that would be a good introduction to OW esports?

hybrid hollow
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All his content is on the ow pro scene and he's a ex coach as well so he's more than knowledgeable on the game

misty torrent
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Holy

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man this guy got an insane amount of content

magic dragon
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#buffgenji

worn falcon
robust patio
hazy marsh
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literal superteam

glass sleet
robust patio
robust patio
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even if thats true

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heesang can just counter

sonic stirrup
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i wants to play with a good player /feel free to add me and play later Overwatch2

errant hornet
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itsa very well known coach AND players that are basically the around the apex of their roles

sullen berry
robust patio
errant hornet
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I mean sure but so is spectra XD

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and izayaki who is kinda on a downward part of his career

robust patio
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huh

errant hornet
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well when you chalk up falcons being good to "them being Koreans" you kinda make it seem like them being Korean is automatically the reason

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like almost hand waving how much better players like Proper are than almost everyone else because he is "Korean"

robust patio
errant hornet
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no not really

robust patio
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i dont see any region better than asia atm meta

errant hornet
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better than Korea sure

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China is a bit more of a question mark given how long they weren't super active in high level competitive play

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and in terms of better than korea..

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Better than the top 2 teams in Korea fs

robust patio
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lip saw how washed china is during stream

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he said he didnt need to worry that much

errant hornet
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for teams like Fnatic its a way bigger question mark

robust patio
errant hornet
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like SSG could very well beat Fnatic I dont think thats insane

robust patio
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lip said he was only unsure of

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Fearless

errant hornet
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even Toronto has the roster and a favorable format to beat a lot of teams

robust patio
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so he kinda fears Zeta more

errant hornet
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Zeta im also unsure of

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I think that team is more nerfed by hero bans than not

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esp

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Zeta I could see a strong western team beating fs

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basically Toronto or SSG

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Im not sure about Ence? They have weird roster issues rn and idk how much easier it is for them to adapt to hero bans

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plus I think SSG's niche might be better than Ence's niche?

robust patio
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lip said his combination with heesang makes him confident in beating top dps lineups like proper stalker merit happy viper etc

errant hornet
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m80 has players that aren't scrimming and Coluge doesn't even want to try so

robust patio
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he does not fear any emea or na teams at all

errant hornet
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XD

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M80 has Tr33

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so

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ig they have that

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going for them

robust patio
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lol

errant hornet
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tr33 has a lot of potential I hope he isn't stuck on a team like m80

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he legit has so much talent it would suck to see it wasted

robust patio
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he said his only concern is Fearless since he hasnt seen him play or fought him

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one of the greatest dive legends

errant hornet
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tbf

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like obv they aren't scared of western teams they dont have a reason to be

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they only rly have to worry about eachother for the most part

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I rly dont see a world where ZETA or FNATIC beat those teams

robust patio
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lip said zeta might actually beat falc or cr if fearless has practiced after owl 2023 grand

errant hornet
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yeah but falc is way mroe flexible

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hero bans are relevant asf

robust patio
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but he said he doubt

errant hornet
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anything is possible

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but I think in terms of quality of play Falcons are better

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given I think mauga changes could nerf them

robust patio
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tbh thats why my predictions are
#1 cr #2 falc #3 zeta #4 fnc

errant hornet
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because they were the best mauga team in the world

robust patio
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which are all korean based teams

errant hornet
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I disagree

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esp with FNC

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zeta maybe?

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I could argue SSG is possibly #4 or #3

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I am not THAT high on FNC

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TOR I think has too much to prove as of right now

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they have the player quality and I think hero bans are a bigger buff for Toronto than even most korean teams

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buuut last time they choked so hard its a bit insane to put them in top 4 imho

robust patio
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u think ssg beating fnc??

errant hornet
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yeah

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FNC is biggest Kapppa team in tourney

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so overrated

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not bad

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but overrated

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again I could see FNC still beating SSG but I would hedge by bets on SSG

robust patio
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yea Tor might be up there too

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forgot

errant hornet
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but this is also a very dive map pool and mauga feels weaker

robust patio
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but someone lacks dive a bit

errant hornet
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if dva sig are still rly strong as well legit Ence could be a sleeper pick as well

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Since Vestola is really fucking good at sigma and good at dva

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but their roster issues are a bit of a red flag

errant hornet
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his winston is rly good

robust patio
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i think fnc donghak dive can beat ssg by 3-2

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yes ik

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hes my irl friend

errant hornet
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doom as well

robust patio
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he is good at every tank

errant hornet
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never seen his dva but

robust patio
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idk y but his coach tells him to play rein

errant hornet
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or ball but if your name is not Crazy Racoons I better not see the words "wrecking ball" on my screen

robust patio
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symm meta

errant hornet
robust patio
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no

errant hornet
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hero bans can make shit happen to

robust patio
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he played rein symm during dallas

errant hornet
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oh yeah

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that was honestly more sugarfree having shittier tps imo

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it was weird but playable?

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jhust the tp rotations were GROSS

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bro is not backbone

robust patio
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well i blame merit on illios

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bro was not opening up angles

errant hornet
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I mean honestly tho the comps Ence plays are really good into hitscan

robust patio
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100:0 is just disrespectful

errant hornet
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Sigma just makes hitscan way harder to play

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and Toronto has a harder time justifying double flex

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Mer1t is arguably best hitscan in the world for heroes like Cass or Ashe

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arguably

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but like

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his tracer

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XD

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if u think Lip tracer is a bit rougher on the edges

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Mer1t tracer might jsut be worse

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and Lip at least has other heroes he can play

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idk don't get me wrong Mer1t is rly good

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but I almost wonder if picking up someone like Proper or someone like that would have fit the roster better

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they want to be this hyperflex team but then they always have to play hitscan heroes to look the most comfortable

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and u saw it too

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Ence has a way harder time playing the sigma into those double flex comps than they did the hitscan

robust patio
errant hornet
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I also think sugarfree is underrated BUT he looked really really rough last lan

robust patio
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i still dont think ssg beating fnc

errant hornet
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so idk as much about him

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someone is obv rly good and the format rly does shine for him

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so I am actually pretty excited to watch someone

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other tanks I wanna see are like Junbin and Smurf

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Im kinda curious if Mauga is even still meta?

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I feel like those changes made him so much worse against bad matchups for him than he was

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so I wonder if like sig went from a bit of a rougher matchup to more unplayable

robust patio
errant hornet
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same with like dva who I have heard is played

robust patio
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and switching back to winston or sigma

errant hornet
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beyond that im less sure

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but does ram have more relevance this patch?

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that could also change things maybe?

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idk

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they did nerf back his armor so maybe less so

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Im not gonna pretend to know the 100% meta just some things

robust patio
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ram was seen used for a bit

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but it wasnt reliable as much as sigm

errant hornet
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yeah but with hero bans I wonder if Ram would be more common than mauga?

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mauga rush is just so much preasure tho so idk

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like mauga e slam is still mauga e slam

robust patio
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will there be hero bans in ewc?

errant hornet
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yes

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BUT no mirror bans

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so if u ban lucio you cant reban lucio

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for example

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and its important to mention you ban before rosters are locked in

robust patio
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ah

errant hornet
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so say Falcons choose circuit hypothetically

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and you ban sigma

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they could still just play Smurf

robust patio
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yea ssg aint beating fnc

errant hornet
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well sort of

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you can ban a lot of dive enablers

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but we'll see

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kinda wish it was double elim tho

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single elim can sometimes feel a little more rough

robust patio
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wait brb

robust patio
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how many hero bans

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does each team get

errant hornet
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ah fuck

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I think one per map?

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per team

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off the top my head

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it might be 2?????

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I think its one and loser gets to choose first or 2nd ban

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so loser picks map AND ban order

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and again no mirrored bans

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so once a hero is banned its banned

robust patio
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lol

errant hornet
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like if u ban lucio once you cant just chain ban lucio

robust patio
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i dont think banning 2 would make that much of a HUGE dit

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diff

errant hornet
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well it defo can

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like for teams like ence esp

robust patio
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im sure during cr vs falc

errant hornet
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if u banned bap AND sigma just gg go next

robust patio
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cr will ban proper genji and chiyo lucio

errant hornet
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basically this format favors the more flexible tank and support lineups more than anything

errant hornet
robust patio
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and falc will ban jun ball and shu bap

errant hornet
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idk why you would ban genji when you could ban mauga versus them

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assuming mauga is even strong

robust patio
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still these two teams are hella flexible

errant hornet
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I dont know how many other places you force genji

robust patio
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and theyd still go toe to toe

errant hornet
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yeah thatll be a banger

robust patio
errant hornet
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yeah

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and its genji

robust patio
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his genji works everywhere

errant hornet
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his genji is nuts

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but like I think mauga hyper enables it

robust patio
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one of the reasons why he got seasonal MVP

errant hornet
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I dont see why you would rly play genji much outside of it most the time

robust patio
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same

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but its Proper clueless clueless

errant hornet
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ok but its Genji XD

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its not like proper would be like "fuck im forced to tracer"

robust patio
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hell na

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they got stalker

errant hornet
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im just excited for hero bans cause I think it has a lot of potential to bring an extra layer of strategy AND more diverse comps

robust patio
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but he might be forced to play mirror echo

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which hed lose to lip or heesang

errant hornet
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well mirror echo versus heesang

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heesang if the hero flies is basically jesus christ

robust patio
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lip is a good echo too

errant hornet
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yeah but I think its closer than heesang versus proper

robust patio
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yea

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proper echo aint beating heesang

errant hornet
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heesang is just kinda the best echo pharah in the world rn

bold python
errant hornet
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I mean

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lip tracer is like

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the most mid mid to ever mid

robust patio
bold python
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Lip is easily a top 10 tracer in the world

errant hornet
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eh its ok

bold python
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The only reason we saw Lip echo is because Stalk3r was the best tracer in the world and year ago

robust patio
errant hornet
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not as bad as like mer1t tracer (cursed)

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but I think u overrate it a bit

bold python
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But that’s it

errant hornet
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kevster

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easily

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Id say

bold python
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Oh yeah kev

errant hornet
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on tracer fs

robust patio
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brother kev is washed now

errant hornet
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Seicoe maybe?

robust patio
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have yall not seen dallas

errant hornet
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Seicoe is rly good at TRACER

bold python
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Seicoe is inconsistent

errant hornet
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hes underrated

bold python
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But he pops off when he plays well

errant hornet
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imo

bold python
errant hornet
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Seicoe honestly recently has looked decently consistent

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esp at the lan

bold python
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Kev is still the best player in the west tho

errant hornet
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uhhhhhh

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Prob?

bold python
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KevKai are pulling their team kicking and screaming

errant hornet
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idk about Kai

bold python
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Kai is the second best western hs

errant hornet
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I think Kai is overhated but

bold python
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After sparkr

robust patio
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seicoe when he rage : 😈
seicoe when normal: 🍼🐥

errant hornet
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hes inconsistent espp

bold python
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And maybe quartz

errant hornet
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Id say Kai is worse than Quartz

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but it doesn't help quartz that his team is uh

robust patio
errant hornet
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scuffed asf

bold python
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Yeah maybe it’s close

robust patio
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he fell off a lot after 2022 atlanta

bold python
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It’s hard to rate tm players atm

errant hornet
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Like sometimes it can be hard to judge esp western players individual skill post owl

bold python
errant hornet
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cause being on a more scuffed team can make you look worse

bold python
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But yeah he fell off for a bit but Kai has been damn good for ENCE

robust patio
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tm got no hope unless they are able to make youbi apologize to ksaa

bold python
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TVNT is not good enough

robust patio
errant hornet
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Timeless extra cooked unless Ariel2 unracists himself

bold python
errant hornet
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Unless Ariel2 solves modern civil rights in the world they gonna be a joke

robust patio
errant hornet
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I even think hes better esp at ball and shit

bold python
errant hornet
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BUT

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holy fuck

robust patio
errant hornet
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having to just get a new tank as a alr meh team going into the tourney

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fucked

bold python
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He just isn’t playing as well

errant hornet
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I honetly dont even think he fell off

robust patio
errant hornet
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he like had one mid ass performance along with his ENTIRE TEAM at Dallas

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and its like hes automatically shit

bold python
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Someone was mid in both flash ops on Isohan and OWCS for Toronto

errant hornet
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Flashops is like a meme lmfao

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idk why we even count that

bold python
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They lost to contenders teams

robust patio
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he was good with gunba

bold python
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With merit, pelican, vigilante Chorong

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And someone

errant hornet
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yeah flashops was a fucking meme

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I dont even know why you would bring it up as an argument for anything

bold python
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Someone was damn good in s6 but he is just decent now

errant hornet
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thats like me bringing up the allstars NBA game

robust patio
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fair but tor is still gonna be top 5 in ewc

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for sure

errant hornet
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prob

bold python
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He hasnt had a good performance outside of NA freelo in like a year

errant hornet
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if they dont choke this format esp favores them

bold python
robust patio
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bruh yea

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wdym nah

bold python
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Toronto is like 7th

errant hornet
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?

robust patio
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hUh

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merit dps diffs all na emea

errant hornet
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what is fucking Bleed gonna beat them?

robust patio
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and some asia

bold python
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CR, Zeta, Fnatic, Falcons, Wufeng, SSG are all so far clear

errant hornet
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we dont even know how good china is

bold python
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Toronto wasn’t even top 5 at Dallas

robust patio
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bruh china aint that high

errant hornet
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you wanna talk about experience, when tf was the last time that team even played consistent competitive

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they are like the biggest unknown

robust patio
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lip and smurf confirmed

errant hornet
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good roster but nobody knows at fucking all

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Like they will prob do ok but esp in hero bans where a lotof players (guxue) are onetricky

bold python
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Last tournament China was in the reached the finals and before that they knocked out Atlanta reign

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It’s the same roster

bold python
errant hornet
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oh yeah

bold python
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Guxue is top tier on like 8 tanks

errant hornet
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OWL is really relevant here

robust patio
errant hornet
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?????????????????????????????????

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I love guxue

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but like cmon

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that hasn't been true for years

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Bro is a top tier doom winston merchant rn

bold python
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Top 2 Winston, top tier doom, top tier rein, top tier JQ etc.

errant hornet
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for one they aren't playing rein queen

bold python
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He just only plays doom and Winton because Asia loves dive

errant hornet
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top tier queen I dont even think is true

robust patio
bold python
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Not because Guxue ha hero pool restrictions

errant hornet
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and there aren't even enough games of queen to prove that as of right now

bold python
errant hornet
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except for when they do?

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aka mauga

bold python
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If you’ve ever seen him stream

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Mauga isn’t relevant atm

errant hornet
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Oh fuck Solo q games and his stream

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thank fucking god

bold python
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I mean what else would you base it off of

errant hornet
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yo I saw someone play genji on stream

errant hornet
bold python
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China always plays dive

errant hornet
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pro play

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games

bold python
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Also Once Again uploaded several scrim vods

errant hornet
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I dont get how you can say Someone is objectively worse since OWL then bring up China who hasn't been in Competitive for over 7 MONTHS

bold python
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Where Guxue played JQ and rein

errant hornet
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MONTHS

robust patio
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A: CR TOR GAMIN LOADED
B: TF WUF TM TGS
C: ZETA ENCE M80 BLEED
D: SSG FNC VIRT TIME

bold python
robust patio
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alr let me predict

errant hornet
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its not uncommon knoweldge that a lot of the top western teams did beat Korea in scrims many times but lost HARD on match day

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for example

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lets not base so mcuh off Korea

bold python
errant hornet
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yeah they also dont leak every scrim

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XD

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if I had to guess

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they have a lot more fucking scrims than half a dozen

robust patio
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A: CR TOR
B: TF WUF
C: ZETA ENCE
D: SSG FNC

bold python
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No but if they are mid in every scrim they do play and only win consistently in a shit region then there is no argument for them being a top tier team

errant hornet
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but they beat Korean teams in scrims before....

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they aren't consistently mid in scrims their problem was matchday they fucking flopped

robust patio
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now if A VS B AND C VS D THEN

errant hornet
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im p sure like multiple sources at least on uncoachables have even backed that up

bold python
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Nah theyve been mid in scrims

errant hornet
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ok mr Quix I should trust you more than the coaches who actually played and watch every scrim?

bold python
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Didn’t unchoachable put them as a b tier team going into Dallas

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Which ended up being accurate

errant hornet
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yeah?

robust patio
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CR TF ZETA FNC IS TOP4

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i dont see chinese team beating falcons

bold python
errant hornet
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That doesn't relate to scrim performance in relation to koreans

bold python
errant hornet
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I think its fair to say China is a big unknown

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to say they are automatically better than top EU or even Tor is a bit crazy

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they could very weell be

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I wouldn;''t even be suprised

robust patio
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lip and smurf confirmed on stream china aint a big threat

bold python
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Eh, they are definitely up there in the 5-6th place range

errant hornet
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but you cant act so certain

robust patio
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lip said zeta is a myste

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ry

bold python
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Similar to SSG, definitely better than teams like Toronto and ENCE

errant hornet
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the 3-4 seed korean teams could also lose games as well

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esp in single elimination series with hero bans

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given its a dive favored map pool overall but still

bold python
robust patio
errant hornet
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yeah

robust patio
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12 teams

errant hornet
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its like an extra fuck you to the 4th place team XD

robust patio
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alr

bold python
robust patio
bold python
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Just guessing

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Might be on the website

robust patio
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gamin vs loaded

bold python
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I’ll go check brb

errant hornet
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no im p sure its single elim

robust patio
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might be fun

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from group a

errant hornet
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I would prefer double elim

bold python
errant hornet
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since single elim can be a bit uh

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weird

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I feel like with single elim its more annoying for like basically not falcons CR who is assumed to win anyways

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like 3rd-6th is a bit of a tossup overall imo

bold python
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Oh, 2nd and 3rd place teams play against each other in an elim round before playoffs

robust patio
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CR TOR GAM
FALC WUF SHOWMEN
ZETA ENCE M80
SSG FNC VIRTU

bold python
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So it’s 8 teams in playoffs

errant hornet
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Showmen versus TM

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gonna be so fucking entertaining

robust patio
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bruh showmen vs twisted and virtus vs timeless

errant hornet
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XD

robust patio
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is a mystrry

errant hornet
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I mean I think twisted is favored tbf

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even with all of their issues

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Quartz Youbi

robust patio
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PUNK vs Tvnt

errant hornet
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holy fucking banger

robust patio
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we might see quartz carry

errant hornet
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I love how Kellan was this apparent biggest problem with Twisted (even though the entire team is just fucking a revolving door for main support as well)

bold python
errant hornet
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and then they get Tvnt instead

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XD

errant hornet
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Bleed is

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rly not good

robust patio
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do u know bleeds rosters? 🤣

errant hornet
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M80 I can see losing since I am pretty sure they aren't even rly scrimming much

bold python
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I mean we’ve only seen them on an actual stage in OWCS Asia playoffs where they took FTG to map 5

errant hornet
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wow

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they took one good team to map 5 once

bold python
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No ghost no masaa

errant hornet
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yeah

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they are also still better quality and better in their comps than Bleed

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bleed is like almost universially shit on

bold python
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So I think Bleed is #2 in this group unless ENCE roster is not as bad as we think

errant hornet
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Ence is in a rough spot but they aren't losing to bleed bad

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If bleed wins that game I will fucking burn my house down

robust patio
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tho asia region is beyond good u gotta notice the gaps

errant hornet
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M80 idfk

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they dont even scrim

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poor tr33

robust patio
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gap between kor japan and thai was huge

errant hornet
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LMFAO

bold python
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You guys are underrating bleed quite a lot

robust patio
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and gap of asia and emea is larger

errant hornet
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no I think they are very properly rated

robust patio
bold python
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Bleed was the only team to take maps off Korea in Asia playoffs

errant hornet
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emea is much better than Japan

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like obv

misty torrent
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Hey guys quick question what are generally considered the best tanks after the update, I’ve been off the game a while and js curious

bold python
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And took FTG to a map 5

robust patio
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i just dont think bleed is beating m80 or ence

errant hornet
bold python
robust patio
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winston is always good in asia

errant hornet
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Winston is rly good even in NA

misty torrent
bold python
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Dva seems good as well

errant hornet
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cause of armor

robust patio
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even in the start 2016 asia played

misty torrent
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a lot of winston

robust patio
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winston

misty torrent
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but im seeing diva

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sigma

errant hornet
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Dva is prob good? not as sure I feel like winston might just be better because of harder engages

bold python
robust patio
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we might see more sigma winton now

errant hornet
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Sigma is still rly good

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Ram maybe?

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for brawl

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not as sure on Ram

bold python
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Sig will always have monopoly on poke maps

misty torrent
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some ram here and there

bold python
robust patio
bold python
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Ram was broken post buff

misty torrent
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top 500 got a bunch of winston

errant hornet
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but like he still has a fuck ton of uptime

misty torrent
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im trying mauga

errant hornet
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even with that nerf

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esp in fights with ram ult

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I think the nerf isn't nothing but idk if its enough to take him out rn

bold python
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Less omnic form hp and longer nemesis cool-down tho

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Might be really easy to punish

errant hornet
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easier

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but I think esp the way ssg plays these comps its not the end of the world fs

bold python
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I don’t really see how he doesn’t get ran over in those 8 seconds

errant hornet
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there are ways to play around his off time

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even shit like sym tp

bold python
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Rein might be better tbh, ram got 3 huge nerfs in one patch

robust patio
#

anyways back to what i was saying

errant hornet
robust patio
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bleed is decent but aint gonna beat ence or m80

errant hornet
#

hard to know

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Idk what brawl comp will be the best rn

robust patio
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bleed might go toe to toe against ence tho

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3-2 or 3-2

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for both

errant hornet
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well I think toe to toe against m80 maybe

bold python
errant hornet
#

ence I think is prob much better

robust patio
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i saw

bold python
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FTG

errant hornet
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idk why that is worth so much to you

robust patio
#

oh

bold python
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Yeti didn’t make Asia playoffs

robust patio
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ma bad

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yeti is fnc i think

errant hornet
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one map 5 doesn't make them fucking gods 10x better than NA

bold python
bold python
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NA is so shit

errant hornet
#

Toronto I should say

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EMEA moreso

bold python
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NA is yet to win a series against any other region except for sweeping twisted minds

errant hornet
#

ok

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and Bleed is shit

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so

bold python
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They lost to ENCE who didn’t have a main tank

bold python
errant hornet
#

in a meta where sigma was pretty strong sure?

bold python
#

The meta at Dallas was Mauga or Winston

robust patio
#

CR FALC FTG YETI DAF JAP JAP JAP

bold python
#

We saw quite little dive

robust patio
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daf getting hard diffed by yeti

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daf = bleed

bold python
bold python
errant hornet
#

I think you are overrating the middle of Korea

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much better region than the west overall

bold python
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DAF isn’t Korean

robust patio
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i think he doesnt understand the gap between yeti and daf

errant hornet
#

but I think SSG and TOR are closer games than you give it credit for

robust patio
errant hornet
#

and bleed

robust patio
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daf is thai

errant hornet
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idk they aren;t selling it for me

robust patio
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Singapore

bold python
errant hornet
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ok well I have work so

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gtg

wet seal
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thats all you can take away from it

bold python
#

But regardless

robust patio
#

yeah its more of consistency

bold python
#

Bleed is in the easiest group

robust patio
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bleed aint beating ftg consistently

bold python
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Because ENCE and m80 are both going to be shit

errant hornet
#

so wait is FTG playing horrible in one match to a map 5 automatically make them better than even SSG?

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in your mind?

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by them I mean bleed

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not FTG

bold python
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Not even close

errant hornet
#

Ence?

wet seal
#

ence and m80 clear daf

bold python
robust patio
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i dont see bleed beating ence or m80

bold python
#

ENCE with no backline and probably no main tank?

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Yeah

errant hornet
#

M80 I can see the argument for sure

bold python
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This isn’t the ENCE we saw at Dallas, half the team is missing

robust patio
#

tho m80 tr33 dps is kinda weak

bold python
#

It’s just Kev Kai vestola

wet seal
#

they still have kevster

errant hornet
#

m80 is like all of the issues of NA, the old guard culture of just being proud of giving tf up but coming out of retirement to shit on the younger and less skilled grinders

robust patio
#

spectra is still decent

errant hornet
#

eh spectra has looked weak to me

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tr33 is like the obvious highlight on that team

bold python
robust patio
#

spectra being able to bully daf in owcs korea

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i dont see bleed beating m80

errant hornet
bold python
errant hornet
#

like arguably the best in the region and even competing with better korean hs for MECHANICS

bold python
errant hornet
#

gameplay wise idrk hes also fucking young

bold python
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He just isn’t proven in pro play yet

errant hornet
#

I dont expect him to outplay Kevster or anything yet

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esp given his tragic team environment

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he is honestly a player that deserves a team like TOR that is actively trying to be the best and always improve

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than fucking m80 retirement home

robust patio
bold python
#

Yeah the roster is fine on its own, I don’t think losing pelican and happy is as big of a deal as people say cuz they both looked unmotivated as hell, but the team just isn’t motivated to play

errant hornet
#

I think peli is a huge upgrade from spectra any day

bold python
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Since happy has been a better player for quite a while

errant hornet
#

well I think in terms of how big of a deal

bold python
#

And it’s hard to find hitscans in na

errant hornet
#

on paper tr33 is at least very motivated to play and get better as well

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and looks better than his entire team

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spectra to me kinda just ints

#

at least peli was deadlifting tracer duty

bold python
#

Coluge is also like physically incapable of winning

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So that’s fun

robust patio
#

let me rank bleed and m80 dps

errant hornet
#

Coluge is like the worst part of the team in terms of culture

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from what I ahve heard the others will still like obv want to win as far as they can

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but like Coluge is the fuckin "I just wanna retire and play marvel rivals thsi is the vacation XD" guy

robust patio
#

spectra>>>>>>HVS > Ace = Tr33>> yoshi

bold python
#

Aight well I gtg

#

Fun chat

errant hornet
#

same

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we will see the tourney

robust patio
#

also m80 has better backline

errant hornet
#

I am really curious how much hero bans change things up as well btw

robust patio
#

tho lumi is decent

sullen berry
#

first time watching Runasapi match broadcasted in OCE of all places

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errant hornet
#

like I am most excited for that

misty torrent
sullen berry
#

the new push map

errant hornet
#

to see how the different regions adapt with their different playstyles to different maps and bans

#

its rly interesting to me

robust patio
errant hornet
#

but it could also at times look goofy as fuck to see SSG play with no lucio so

sullen berry
misty torrent
sullen berry
#

they're still loading

robust patio
#

is it worth watching

sullen berry
#

depends on what you're watching for

#

the broadcast has been OWL-level and it's their regional grand finals

robust patio
#

im in the army rn got limited time

#

i might watch lips stream

weary scarab
errant hornet
#

I rly hope that they add more push and flashpoint maps tbh

#

I feel like a part of the problems with those modes is so fucking little maps it gets really repetitive really fast

misty torrent
#

oh btw guys im interested in faceit as a whole, so i gotta ask wsp with the league or contenders they’re doing

errant hornet
#

like I don't ever get excited to see the same fucking col game the 16th time

weary scarab
#

guys the great showmen isnt winning

errant hornet
#

no its defo TM favored

misty torrent
sullen berry
errant hornet
#

but TM is also such a mess rn its like the most likely upset XD

robust patio
#

even with mirror

#

its mostly team diff

errant hornet
#

id say its like 70-30 in favor of TM

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rn

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for that game

#

other than that TM is cooked

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for the most part

#

what the fuck do you do if your name is quartz and your tank is named TVNT

#

if my tank was named TVNT I would gauge my eyes out irl

robust patio
#

tvnt aint doing nothing lol

errant hornet
#

like basically a massively worse KSAA

weary scarab
#

maybe tvnt will show up but the bad shit is that hero bans gonna be a pain in the ass for tm

#

they can just ban a ground tank

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and its over

robust patio
#

has he ever played any international LAN

errant hornet
#

yup

sullen berry
robust patio
errant hornet
#

and its a dive favored map pool

weary scarab
errant hornet
robust patio
#

brother

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“international”

errant hornet
#

yeah the saudi league is a bit more of a meme

#

like idfk what Checkmate even still looks like

robust patio
weary scarab
#

i didnt see the international part

errant hornet
#

his talent was wasted smurfing in Saudi

#

not that all saudi teams are bad or something but

#

the e-league is obv not as serious as OWCS

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or EWC

weary scarab
#

checkmate could of just replaced youbi tbh

robust patio
#

yea tvnt aint beating guxue smurf hanbin or punk(maybe)

weary scarab
#

why did he go to rocstars lmao

errant hornet
#

checkmate in peak form was really fucking good

#

I get nervous for him that hes almost washed in some ways

#

again could be 1000% wrong

#

but

#

playing in way lower competition with fucking ROC doesn't really help you improve that muich

robust patio
#

if tm doesnt make youbi apologize to KSAA then Tm got no hope even if Tm qualifies

errant hornet
#

yeah

weary scarab
errant hornet
#

or pick up like a korean tier tank

robust patio
errant hornet
#

like Kellan isn't god but hes servicable