I think violet has that flex support style of aggression
#esports-discussion
static pond
hybrid hollow
I think violet has that flex support style of aggression
Bro plays Lucio like bap
hybrid hollow
I wish yeti started as good as they ended
static pond
But even match on tank idk about support tho
Tbh yeti prob the second best dive team
hybrid hollow
idk
static pond
They took falcons to map 5 with dive
When it was orisa I think
Or mauga
And beat crazy raccoons with it too
hybrid hollow
Was it a mirror?
hybrid hollow
I just hope once again isn't too washed fr
static pond
Because that when they started getting into dive because there good at it
static pond
I just hope once again isn't too washed fr
Ngl
Once again vs ence would be good
That is once again Is wash it be good
hybrid hollow
I hope the flashes of Guxue expanding his hero pool in the raccoons scrim actually come to fruition
guxue being able to play other shit outside of dive and orisa would be so huge
Adding that flexibility with leave and shy gives them so many options
static pond
Twitter
hybrid hollow
Coluge over sparkr lol
hybrid hollow
Sparkr***
hybrid hollow
https://x.com/khantakes/status/1797590355896062365?s=46
He's unstoppable
uncut drum
https://x.com/jammmsupport/status/1797421063196025100?s=46
only good ksa player there
deserved
worn falcon
after shock shit managment junbin and heesang redemption 🙏
hybrid hollow
Tbh someone should sign jay3 fr
hollow briar
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https://x.com/jammmsupport/status/1797421063196025100?s=46
Whats this based on
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Lip has to be the goat
Nah lip always has good teamates
stray quarry
lip buoys his teammates up
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He got carried by heesang and junbin
stray quarry
he could play with pge and make that mf look good
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And shu
stray quarry
I like the current heesang junbin shock revenge arc
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I like the current heesang junbin shock revenge arc
Agree
stray quarry
i said this since the start
the supports were the problem on shock last season
everyone just scapegoated heesang tho LMAO
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the supports were the problem on shock last season
I think it was more a coash issue
stray quarry
the crusty effect
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And proper and heesang together dont work
Well It could
Now cuz proper can play hitscan
stray quarry
i remember watching them put all their resources in proper last season
while heesang is eating breadcrumbs on the curb
rough
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Oh yeah didnt shock have ass suports at the end like renco
snow zephyr
Got a mouse signed by Soe :)
Also dreamhack was so much fun. Watching the games in person is great ^^
would recommend anyone to go to dreamhack if your able too
deft wolf
hell no
weak frost
is nrg already out
out of what
hazy marsh
uncut drum
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https://x.com/Nico__oq/status/1797956175927099522
Proper in saudi e league
hybrid hollow
https://x.com/Nico__oq/status/1797956175927099522
My heart almost dropped I thought he retired 💔
plush grail
https://x.com/Nico__oq/status/1797956175927099522
so close tho
cold pond
is lip > proper
hybrid hollow
It's the unfortunate reality of existing in the same timeline as lip
static pond
It's the unfortunate reality of existing in the same timeline as lip
does flash ops count?
lip is missing stage one win
static pond
Lip has had longer carrer
and proper had teams built around him
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and proper had teams built around him
Lip had good teamates to
static pond
he had o2 blast
plush grail
proper is a bum
lip had a few bad months
AND KEPT FIGHTING
proper is like ''uwu i might retire unless u rlly want me to play xd''
lip just slapped his dick on the table
and said ''comp esports is mine''
static pond
https://x.com/Nico__oq/status/1797956175927099522
Ngl feels every time he loses his emotions fall apart not to be mean but sounds like he has a weak mindset
hybrid hollow
Ngl feels every time he loses his emotions fall apart not to be mean but sounds ...
Wouldn't be shocked if he does
He came into the t1 scene alr being proven and expected to win out the gates and has yet to do so
And it doesn't help that the team he just lost to has max heesang junbin and lip
Lip and proper are alr rivals and other 3 came into the league to "be the help proper needs" and that failed miserably and then after they leave proper they win alongside his rival
And if we're being real for a second despite not winning he's been performing to or above the level he promised in contenders so that's gotta hurt especially knowing that some of these series were only close bc of his performance
static pond
Lip and proper are alr rivals and other 3 came into the league to "be the help p...
Tbh heesang and proper are rivals imo
hybrid hollow
Tbh heesang and proper are rivals imo
Yeah they're probably closer to being rivals but the narrative at least going into OWCS was proper vs lip at least it was to me
static pond
Yeah they're probably closer to being rivals but the narrative at least going in...
Ya it was idk why tho
hybrid hollow
I hope his mental does get better bc if proper retires this esport is actually cooked
static pond
When it pretty much o2 blast brothers vs the neglected brother lol
No offense I just think they don’t talk to
Proper that much now
Since it seems heesang was going to titans which apparently junbin and max dislike a lot
Then proper kinda telling there fans that his teammates don’t listen
hybrid hollow
He's actually too skilled for his own good
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lip just slapped his dick on the table
💀
earnest leaf
Lip is the better pure HS player and proper has the better FPDS/overall flexibility
shrewd flicker
PROPER>LIP
inland estuary
my humble goat pge solos all of these frauds
lavish prism
PROPER>LIP
in number 2 podium amounts? or what?
shrewd flicker
in number 2 podium amounts? or what?
Lip always has a better team
lavish prism
proper has had teams build around him too though lol
lip just won with propers past teammates xd
shrewd flicker
Individually proper is a better plauer
lavish prism
pure skill wise? at their peak, sure, proper had the highest peak ever, but he still hasnt won anything of note
shrewd flicker
Hes just unlucky
gritty marlin
hey yall i was wondering, is there any place for overwatch tournaments to enter besides the official stages? i wanna enter some with friends but i swear all the faciet ones have no people in them
rose elbow
Bro I know this is random but honestly the shock should have just stayed in the league rather than dip and then come back
uncut drum
Ngl feels every time he loses his emotions fall apart not to be mean but sounds ...
yes
it does it so much
plush grail
proper has had teams build around him too though lol
I legit forgot about this
Like the past 2/3 teams proper was on were built around him
And he still didn't win anything
hybrid hollow
Bro I know this is random but honestly the shock should have just stayed in the ...
Why would they stay in a esport that was completely dead at the time
"hey so overwatch league died let's keep putting our money into an overwatch roster"
plush grail
do we know what the average salary is rn
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do we know what the average salary is rn
In what country u talking about
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Oh idk
uncut drum
do we know what the average salary is rn
not a lot
i bet 50k
it is defo not like it was before
profit with like what 300k
or some shit
super with like 200k
plush grail
i doubt its 50k rn
uncut drum
i feel like that is what it would be around
for some of the top teams
40 maybe for lower teams
with orgs
teams with no orgs like 15k
plush grail
40k even for teams with orgs is crazy
there were qualifiers and a tournament
if u pay 250k for a team
how do u make any money
unless your sponsor is your only profit
rugged quest
i bet 50k
LOL?
players in ssg make like minium wage salary
only like falcons and toronto make real wages
and in toronto its mostly the korean players
theres some specific players outside those teams like quartz that make low-mid owl salary but thats not the standard at all
theres a reason why everyone does collegiate now, owcs is a side hustle for 95% of players
rugged quest
I am going off teams with money
That bracket has like 4 teams total so not really average
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Well...https://x.com/W1ll_OW/status/1798038344603222293?t=cyaodZhJi7A6r5Xoje9jpg...
Wow
Ye owcs wont last longer than a year
hybrid hollow
Ye owcs wont last longer than a year
Im pretty sure it's a one year thing anyway
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Im pretty sure it's a one year thing anyway
What is danish minimum wage even
hybrid hollow
Like it's not a full league it's just this stretch of tournaments and events are under the name owcs I think
hybrid hollow
What is danish minimum wage even
No idea but probably not a lot
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No idea but probably not a lot
Denmark does not even have a minimum wage
Acording to google
Ok its like 30k a year
hybrid hollow
Overwatch esports has been lacking money since the start of s6 owl fr
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31k
hybrid hollow
The only players making money now are probably falcons half of Toronto and the players who also make content on the side seriously
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The only players making money now are probably falcons half of Toronto and the p...
I think raccoon to
Idk about ftg
hybrid hollow
Is ftg an org ?
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Idk
tired geode
How do the EWC spots work? Some of the teams in the top 3 for 2 of the leagues are already qualified
Is it just gonna go to the people below them?
static pond
pure skill wise? at their peak, sure, proper had the highest peak ever, but he s...
Lip peak was dragons he was like number 1 on every hs and top3 on tracer
errant hornet
Well...https://x.com/W1ll_OW/status/1798038344603222293?t=cyaodZhJi7A6r5Xoje9jpg...
I mean sure but what do we expect lol
Owl was a money losing spiral
It would be cool to have blizzard support again but at the same time owcs has to show good enough numbers and get sponsors to at least create the ecosystem for something less money bleed
Given esports as a whole is literally just a money hole but still
worn falcon
gg m70
glass sleet
M80 dropped pelican and happy for tr33, and Nero?
glass sleet
https://x.com/kajor_/status/1798364507917685032?s=46
Tbh even tho happy pelican is a great duo, maybe they just had communication issues. Maybe Nero and tr33 are a better match
Maybe
glass sleet
i think they get spectra
Didn’t they drop spectra?
He was on m80 but he never got to play then got dropped, right?
static pond
Tbh even tho happy pelican is a great duo, maybe they just had communication iss...
Nero has not played and been doing side coaching
glass sleet
Nero has not played and been doing side coaching
So is he signed as a coach?
Tbh idk who Nero is
lavish prism
M80 dropped pelican and happy for tr33, and Nero?
nero is still just a sub
and hes an ex owl player
glass sleet
Sounds rusty
glass sleet
I just think it’s weird
lavish prism
Twitter
glass sleet
Using a spot for someone who probably won’t play. Just get yourself a flexible player
lavish prism
he doesnt have a spot afaik
glass sleet
Subs don’t count?
lavish prism
i dont think so
glass sleet
What’s max roster btw?
glass sleet
8 players a team?
glass sleet
but kinda funny that NA will get even worse now most likely xd
Maybe m80 drops in player quality but gain better synergy
lavish prism
i dont think synergy will win them as many fights as pelican did alone
glass sleet
Idk I’m just hoping lol
lavish prism
unless tr33 is a absolute god
glass sleet
i dont think synergy will win them as many fights as pelican did alone
Pelican against not as good teams in NA
lavish prism
pelican also was the one winning them maps in dallas though
glass sleet
unless tr33 is a absolute god
Never seen him play but everyone says he’s the next fdps player after lenny
glass sleet
pelican also was the one winning them maps in dallas though
Was he?
lavish prism
Never seen him play but everyone says he’s the next fdps player after lenny
idk if lenny is the benchmark i dont have high hopes
glass sleet
Idk about him but Happy just didn’t seem to fit in from how he’s been playing.
glass sleet
idk if lenny is the benchmark i dont have high hopes
Yeah TD should’ve played way better with the roster they had
lavish prism
idk i dont rate their roster that high
glass sleet
idk if lenny is the benchmark i dont have high hopes
Sugarfree is like the best fdps in NA, right?
glass sleet
idk i dont rate their roster that high
3 owl champions who literally won last season and sugarfree who is actually good
It’s just Vega imo who’s kinda unknown
lavish prism
again i dont rate sugarfree, and someone is mostly just a counterpick guy i feel
glass sleet
compared to other regions
I mean yeah sure sugarfree isn’t proper or stalk3r lol
glass sleet
also theyre playing vs NA teams most of the time
I feel like that’s their biggest problem
lavish prism
idk for me theres 2 actually good NA players and both are flex supports xd
glass sleet
again i dont rate sugarfree, and someone is mostly just a counterpick guy i feel
I think he’s slightly overrated but having a tank that can always counter pick is good, right? He literally won owl countering Bernar the whole time lol
glass sleet
idk for me theres 2 actually good NA players and both are flex supports xd
Rupal and Landon lol
lavish prism
i mean yes, but he needs very good players around him too i feel
i feel like with sugarfree and vega someone cant really shine that much
glass sleet
i mean yes, but he needs very good players around him too i feel
He had mer1t, and rupal.
You’d think the synergy is there
lavish prism
He had mer1t, and rupal.
the game is a 5v5 though
glass sleet
the game is a 5v5 though
I don’t think it’s player quality. I think it’s practice quality and comp. If they actually get great scrims with top teams a lot, they’ll improve.
lavish prism
imo its also playerquality
cuz i feel like there just isnt good enough playerquality in NA
like whats the best possible team you could build without imports?
glass sleet
So what do you suggest?
lavish prism
idk lmfao
glass sleet
5 players only?
lavish prism
like NA relies really heavily on imports, compared to both the other regions
glass sleet
Hawk, infekted, sugarfree, PGE, Seeker, rupal, Landon, and…Vega? Idk any NA main supports lol
Rakattak?
lavish prism
Hawk, infekted, sugarfree, PGE, Seeker, rupal, Landon, and…Vega? Idk any NA main...
and imo from that lineup the only players that are considered 'good' internationally are the flex supports
xd
glass sleet
Tbh I didn’t watch NRG play in Dallas so idk how they did
lavish prism
like sugarfree was the worst Non NA flex dps in dallas if you dont count TM
glass sleet
and imo from that lineup the only players that are considered 'good' internation...
I mean I guess it’s fair to think that
glass sleet
like sugarfree was the worst Non NA flex dps in dallas if you dont count TM
You mean akay…? I sure hope he’s better than TM’s manager lol
lavish prism
You mean akay…? I sure hope he’s better than TM’s manager lol
yeah he was, but i dont count TM as actual team for dallas, so sugarfree was at most the best of the NA, which still placed the worst
glass sleet
New viewers probably think TM is trash if Dallas is their first esports event lol
glass sleet
yeah he was, but i dont count TM as actual team for dallas, so sugarfree was at ...
Idk. The whole team should’ve performed better
lavish prism
unironically, sugar free was the third worst flex dps outside in dallas imo
glass sleet
What?
lavish prism
?
glass sleet
In all of owcs?
lavish prism
in dallas
glass sleet
He’s the third worst?
glass sleet
Who was worse?
lavish prism
I mean who is he better than? He was better than the TM and NRG fdps
he wasnt better than pelican, nor seicoe or kevster
glass sleet
TM doesn’t count I guess. But who’s NRG’s?
lavish prism
nrg shock
hybrid hollow
Scissors
lavish prism
SoG
glass sleet
Scissors
^ oh yeah thanks
@hybrid hollow what would be your NA team without imports?
hybrid hollow
uh
glass sleet
5 players only
lavish prism
he was worse than all EU(outside of TM) and Korean flex dps, and worse than peli aswell, so i just dont rate sugarfree internationally
hybrid hollow
Chopper Sugarfree Infekted Rupal Vega
glass sleet
Not tr33 instead of sugarfree?
glass sleet
Chopper Sugarfree Infekted Rupal Vega
Chopper over seeker or PGE??
hybrid hollow
Chopper over seeker or PGE??
Yeah
glass sleet
That’s a surprise honestly
hybrid hollow
actually if tree is on hitscan I'm taking him
lavish prism
Chopper Sugarfree Infekted Rupal Vega
idk the only from that roster thats actually good internationally is rupal
glass sleet
💀
lavish prism
actually if tree is on hitscan I'm taking him
isnt tree a hyperflex player? idk
hybrid hollow
Yeah
glass sleet
actually if tree is on hitscan I'm taking him
Is he that much better than NA or is NA’s hitscan shit?
hybrid hollow
na hitscans are shit
glass sleet
Ah
hybrid hollow
yeah
lavish prism
also NA just doesnt have good tanks either
hybrid hollow
idk the only from that roster thats actually good internationally is rupal
Pretty much
glass sleet
You’d think NA players would be better playing against owl players in comp for multiple years
hybrid hollow
Na has nothing but flex supports and a few players with potential
lavish prism
without korean imports NA literally wouldnt take a map of other regions
lavish prism
but how lol
hybrid hollow
Not much to do
lavish prism
its not like OW is gonna get any bigger
there wont be any pro level players joining the game xd
mby like one or two cracked younger players
hybrid hollow
Yeah na esports care more about siege val apex fort etc
lavish prism
but even that doesnt look too good
hybrid hollow
Especially since contenders is gone
glass sleet
Watching pro BR is so scuffed
lavish prism
idk current format is better for young talent to shine i think
cuz they actually play vs t1
look at xzodyal in EU for example
glass sleet
I uninstalled apex after the pros got hacked mid tournament lol
glass sleet
look at xzodyal in EU for example
He plays against good players.
glass sleet
idk current format is better for young talent to shine i think
That’s what I’m saying with NA. They had years of comp just against owl players cuz all the Koreans were playing in NA
lavish prism
yet still worse than EU lol
glass sleet
So weird
lavish prism
if only we could see playerbase numbers
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Is ftg an org ?
I think roc esports bougth ftg
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Is there a tweet?
I remebering hearing something like that dont have twitter
glass sleet
maybe playerbase number in NA is just way lower than EU? Idk
I don’t think so. I’m pretty sure NA has more players. More casual players tho
lavish prism
idk
glass sleet
I remebering hearing something like that dont have twitter
I don’t have Twitter either
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cuz they actually play vs t1
So nice to see that chazm can play against top player instead of Freud owl players
Fraud
lavish prism
+is mexico even playing ow?
glass sleet
Wish I enjoyed other games. Val is just so boring to watch. How is it so popular? A bunch of aimers bro. Smh
hybrid hollow
+is mexico even playing ow?
They had a world cup team
hybrid hollow
I don't believe so
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Wish I enjoyed other games. Val is just so boring to watch. How is it so popular...
Same
hybrid hollow
Than all of na?
glass sleet
and europe has a higher pop anyway?
Than NA?
lavish prism
yes
glass sleet
Ummmmmm
lavish prism
i think
lavish prism
europe has like 150 million more people than NA via google
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Its sad to see overwatch dying
lavish prism
NA has 579 mil, Europe has 750
glass sleet
So what? Canada has like 10 people?
hybrid hollow
Yeah it's around 150m
glass sleet
Its sad to see overwatch dying
Bro dafuq you mean dying?
It’s not dying. It’s just not growing atm
lavish prism
Its sad to see overwatch dying
its not really dying, just rotting
like most multiplayer games
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Ye..
glass sleet
The game is 7 years old or something bro. Other games are newer compared to it
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The game is 7 years old or something bro. Other games are newer compared to it
Ow2 is 2 years old
Soon
glass sleet
Ow2 is 2 years old
Ow2 doesn’t have its own age lol
lavish prism
Yeah it's around 150m
if we count the whole of EMEA its probably a bit more though
xd
and OW is suprisingly big in saudi arabia aswell
hybrid hollow
Yeah the only reason this esport is alive rn is saudi
glass sleet
and OW is suprisingly big in saudi arabia aswell
Yeah don’t they have Saudi eleague going on rn?
lavish prism
idk
glass sleet
Yeah the only reason this esport is alive rn is saudi
Saudi saved ow esports
lavish prism
sadly, cuz i dont really like that country
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Think it is cuz saudi arabia getting better economy
glass sleet
Cuz the tournament system we use FACEIT is Saudi
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Also the investments from saudi prince
lavish prism
SA is just diversifying their economy with a bunch of different stuff
theyre buying up lots of sports in general
not just esports
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theyre buying up lots of sports in general
Al nassr
hybrid hollow
Yeah they own faceit, they won world cup, they're hosting ewc and e league
glass sleet
They’re investing in everything which is smart obviously
hybrid hollow
Shit crazy
glass sleet
Yeah they own faceit, they won world cup, they're hosting ewc and e league
World Cup? You mean EWC?
hybrid hollow
And they own the second best team
hybrid hollow
World Cup? You mean EWC?
Both
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They’re investing in everything which is smart obviously
Better than investing in one thing
hybrid hollow
They won the usual owwc and they're hosting ewc this year
glass sleet
And they own the second best team
A freaking Japanese org comes out of nowhere and owns the best team lol
lavish prism
Yeah they own faceit, they won world cup, they're hosting ewc and e league
didnt they not just basically buy wrestling too?
glass sleet
Better than investing in one thing
Never put all your eggs on one basket
hybrid hollow
didnt they not just basically buy wrestling too?
I think so
glass sleet
They won the usual owwc and they're hosting ewc this year
Oh they won it. I thought you meant they actually own OWWC lol
glass sleet
didnt they not just basically buy wrestling too?
Buy it? They’re just hosting some
Pretty sure
glass sleet
I don’t think they straight up bought WWE
glass sleet
Can Saudi invest in me fr
Yeah why not. Just call up one of the Princes
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Saudi Prince give 1 million dollars and I will turn it to 100 million and u get 20 million from that😎
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Pharah is kinda decent
glass sleet
Her current play style is more fun imo
lavish prism
sadly tank gameplay is as dog as always
lavish prism
Her current play style is more fun imo
what being unplayable without mercy isnt fun?
i mean youre forced onto hog mauga
glass sleet
what being unplayable without mercy isnt fun?
She’s not unplayable without mercy lol
lavish prism
cuz otherwise enemy team just hardcounters you
glass sleet
She’s perfectly fine alone rn
lavish prism
ik
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Honestly i dont mind changes affecting hero identity
glass sleet
Also just staying in the sky the whole time and spamming is toxic
lavish prism
like the last 20 games i played doom, every single game im against at least 2 hardcounters after the second fight
glass sleet
They stay so high up that hitscan damage does nothing
lavish prism
hell i could lose 2 fights and enemies still swap to sombra
its fucking dumb
rank players brain just goes 'enemy tank shouldnt be allowed to play'
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Tanks need to have specifik passives tbh
glass sleet
Just swap
lavish prism
i just swap between 3 dive tanks
then swap more
then swap
then swap
then swap
glass sleet
Today my games have been super fun.
lavish prism
at this point playing tank is more playing the H button than the actual role
glass sleet
Been playing quick play and every game I tell my team to either go full rush or full dive and we just roll lol
Having a real comp is so fun
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I play comp only
lavish prism
on half my accounts its silver MMR, the other half t500 in qp
glass sleet
You need to tell your team to match you. That way, you don’t really have to swap
lavish prism
lmfao
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You need to tell your team to match you. That way, you don’t really have to swap
The reason why pro players dont swap very often
lavish prism
You need to tell your team to match you. That way, you don’t really have to swap
i wish it was that easy
glass sleet
i wish it was that easy
Today, they matched me every game
You just gotta ask before the game and see what happens
lavish prism
i can say 'lets play dive guys' and my sup line will be mercy bap
lavish prism
You just gotta ask before the game and see what happens
oh i do
people just dont care
glass sleet
I was main support. I played brig if we say dive and Lucio if we say rush lol
lavish prism
which servers do you play on?
glass sleet
people just dont care
You need yourself a duo. Games are way better with a good duo
lavish prism
i do play with a duo
glass sleet
which servers do you play on?
EU
lavish prism
but i cant really group up with most of my friends
lavish prism
unless i wanna smurf 24/7
glass sleet
Smurf what? Bronze?
lavish prism
i have soloq accs, and accs where i just dont tryhard
lavish prism
Smurf what? Bronze?
diamond or below
glass sleet
I’m stuck in low diamond high play cuz 50/50 is real.
I won and lost 6 games yesterday
lavish prism
idk i just have a 75% wr solo q, then derank whenever i play with my duo cuz we get fucked by MM
glass sleet
I always end up where I started lol
lavish prism
its funny af
i had 3 seperate sym otps b2b2b yesterday when my duo hopped on
he tilted off and i won 3 straight again
lmfao
glass sleet
I played 12 games and 4 of them had a dc or tank just refusing to play
Bro I never play with people wtf
I’m comp I mean
lavish prism
idk i just winstreak for like 6 straight then hop off if something dumb happens
glass sleet
I always add people but they never come back on lol
lavish prism
but im p sure im also below where i should be
cuz i dont play that much and split playtime between accs
glass sleet
idk i just winstreak for like 6 straight then hop off if something dumb happens
I remember I was on a super long tank win streak and only losses were DCs
lavish prism
with all the rank resets my average winstreak is like 65+% a season, and i just stopped playing whenever i hit low gm
then came back and there was another rank reset
lmfao
lavish prism
had like a 80% wr from m5 to gm5 then got bored so i stopped playing on one of my accs, that was 2 rank resets ago and i didnt really touch that one yet
i wonder how fucked the MMR is gonna be there
glass sleet
Mmr is weird. I don’t really understand it fully. It’s either gonna drop for you or stay
lavish prism
idk i also have like 7 accs from OW1 cuz whenever i wanted to pick up a hero i did it on a fresh acc cuz i didnt wanna hardthrow gm games
glass sleet
Lol btw this is esports discussion, maybe we shouldn’t talk about ranked
lavish prism
ah yeah
glass sleet
7 accounts damn
glass sleet
I’m an ow2 player
glass sleet
Eeeeeeeh
lavish prism
mass rez into moth meta woohoo
glass sleet
Ew no thanks
lavish prism
then goats shortly after!
glass sleet
Double shield was fun?
lavish prism
then i kinda burnt out and went from playing hours a day to like 5 games a month
lavish prism
i mean bap was what mostly caused double shield in the end anyway
ow1 before brig came out
was the best game i ever played
glass sleet
So what you’re telling me is. The first day of ow1 was fun?
lavish prism
brig kinda fucked everything, and ever since then the new heroes just made the game less and less and less fun
glass sleet
And it went downhill from there lol
lavish prism
So what you’re telling me is. The first day of ow1 was fun?
brig came out a few years into ow1
glass sleet
They made brigg cuz tracer was fucking up everyone
lavish prism
?
theyre doing it all the time now
if only they did the same back then
then ow1 wouldve never gone hard downhill
the problem with ow in general they always release heroes that are just striclty better than old ones
and powercrept with new heroes
hell they kinda still do that
glass sleet
I hope we have another cast paste team game in the future after ow dies
I can’t stand moving to valo
lavish prism
if you look at release ram, kiri, mauga and sojourn
glass sleet
and powercrept with new heroes
Every game has that problem
lavish prism
yeah idk, just dont make generalist characters that are better than at niches than the specialists
looking at kiri and sojourn
who both can do all
glass sleet
Yeah
lavish prism
hell when sojourn came out she was the best sniper in the game
glass sleet
Fun heroes to play tho
lavish prism
which is fucking dumb
glass sleet
I picked up soj after she got nerfed a few times
lavish prism
she got like 8 nerfs and is still one of the best dps in the game
glass sleet
Lol
lavish prism
same with kiri
glass sleet
She has everything
glass sleet
same with kiri
Tbf, kiriko wasn’t just getting nerfs. She was getting buffs too
glass sleet
Yeah cuz she got buffs as well which lowers her value a little
lavish prism
the nerfs far outweigh her buffs
glass sleet
she is way, way nerfed
Oh besides her ult which is still really good lol
lavish prism
and shes still very strong
glass sleet
I don’t think I played when her ult was broken. Maybe at the end
Alright igtg. I’m starving. Take care
lavish prism
idk kiri is like one of the heroes i dislike most in the current game
though shes fun to play
lavish prism
Alright igtg. I’m starving. Take care
cya
hybrid hollow
static pond
Its sad to see overwatch dying
Don’t think ow is dying esports is
So m80 has tree now
Worth mentioning pelican been on mix rosters
hybrid hollow
wait hollon
That roster actually isn't too bad
Ofc it's hard to be better than happy and peli but that's actually not as bad as I thought
That is the same Nero from the old shock right?
static pond
That is the same Nero from the old shock right?
The torb player
errant hornet
Ofc it's hard to be better than happy and peli but that's actually not as bad as...
well to me nero is the only possibly questionable one
I agree its hard to be as good as happy peli but Tr33 is really promising and rly young, so he has potential to reach that insane level if the team pushes him to that
Problem is that its NA, god forbid M80 doesn't do perfect in one tournament and blow up half the team
hybrid hollow
That's another thing abt this region we really don't let players develop
errant hornet
Toronto is kinda still the only hope despite them underperforming like hell and looking questionable at the major
I just dont want a league situation where NA gets boomed and boomed and just slowly falls out of relevancy
hybrid hollow
Toronto and m80 piss me off bc they're the only teams with the player quality to perform at that level but they just dont
errant hornet
Like you dont have to be Korean to be competitive lol
errant hornet
Toronto and m80 piss me off bc they're the only teams with the player quality to...
m80 honestly I didnt have expectations going in
I think aside from NRG and TM, they were the worst western team
going in
tbh
They always looked not cohesive and just kinda carried by player talent
hybrid hollow
Tbh I originally thought they'll be a little better than ence just bc happy and peli but it wasn't enough
errant hornet
eh I care more about how the team looks when they play
Thats why I held ence a bit lower because I thought that SSG looked like they got better and better (faceit league), whereas they didn't keep pace as much going in
BUT they really impressed me tbh
I didnt think they were bad at all but I thought they were slightly worse than toronto and much worse than SSG
I will say though that SSG is the most promising western team
They just play way more cohesive than everyone else
hybrid hollow
I think Hadi proved himself fr
errant hornet
Hadi is good
Problem for SSG was it felt like they had no answer to the mauga comps quickly enough
Which just so happened to be Falcons favorite comp
hybrid hollow
hadi was always good but from the start of stage 2 to the end of Dallas he performed even off the rein
errant hornet
yeah hadi is solid
Someone was weird this tournament but I think that is also the fault of the entirety of Toronto
hybrid hollow
Yeah bro was charging into walls
errant hornet
that team obv has the talent potential on all roles to perform well internationally but they just were so incredibly split
And for some reason someone just looked AWFUL on the mauga
like map 4 was proof of Toronto's issues
hybrid hollow
None of them were on the same page everyone's timing was just horrible
errant hornet
Engages way too early, sometimes ults too late
Like it looked like a call was made for Sugarfree to blade but then nobody is there
Etc.
hybrid hollow
Hopefully it's a wakeup call
I doubt the roster is gonna be changed after all tht money was put into it and they have the resources
errant hornet
no which is good
they CAN improve but its a question of IF they will
Ence is also an interesting team for me
They looked good in the tournament I just still have an issue with their flexibility
hybrid hollow
Yeah I was gonna say flexibility and consistency was ence only issues
errant hornet
It feels like Ghost is a bap merchant only, which is fine mostly for this tournament but we have seen metas where u HAVE to have ana or a good kiri
And Vestola to me is good on his heroes, he just cant go off of them
Like fantastic sigma
Dva is fine
good*
And solid ram
hybrid hollow
If they just sign a main tank and have ghost pick up Kiri they'll be set
errant hornet
but the problem is that other tanks like mauga, winston, ball even
Are all other relevant heroes
I mean god for all we know we could get a rein meta given how much blizzard seems to want that to happen at least for low elo
hybrid hollow
Also Kai needs to hit the lab with soj
hybrid hollow
His Cass was solid for the most part but when he was on soj it wasn't as consistent
errant hornet
Sure but soj overall was not the most consistent pick
it had its place but imo the cass and double flex dps comps were just generally better
hybrid hollow
He is rly not that bad at all, just sparkr is better
This too sparkr has just been on a different high for the last month
errant hornet
This too sparkr has just been on a different high for the last month
yeah Sparkr is rly good
and its easy to shit on Kai when ur only competition is the best hs in EU
hybrid hollow
True
errant hornet
Aside from maybe Quartz
but its hard to count him when TM is just shitlow rn
well we will see coming into the EU games but
at least from the last month
hybrid hollow
Thus might just be my american ignorance but lbbd7 and quartz were in America for world cup and didn't have visa issues then? I'm not sure how that whole process works tho
Is it not a one time thing?
errant hornet
Idk enough about the issue but its no secret American immigration systems or visa processes are a mess
Just look at the border, that isn't illegal immigration its just people claiming asylum seeking status and filling up the entire court system
I wouldn't be suprised if there are similar issues with Visas
But im not an expert so idrk
desert fractal
chat do we agree that pge > viol2t
static pond
Ofc it's hard to be better than happy and peli but that's actually not as bad as...
Well
robust patio
Thus might just be my american ignorance but lbbd7 and quartz were in America fo...
who won
wow cr lost
then came back
sheesh
robust patio
<@614666763191189511> mauga genji venture comp was the key lol
CR WONN
IDCCCCC
EZZZZZZ
LIP SUPREMACY
vale cobalt
ence was a disappointment... fk u kai and kevster recruit cookie084 and phi + dannedd
humble token
LIP SUPREMACY
No
Junbin carried in the finals
Junbin is Def top 2 ball behind chazm
static pond
Twitter
static pond
Junbin is Def top 2 ball behind chazm
Pretty sure cr won cuz teamwork is better and the ball comp is a hard comp to play around as a team
Twitter
Lmao second person ban from faceit just earlier someone was ban for using a ssd that optimize there pc
Twitter
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Pretty sure cr won cuz teamwork is better and the ball comp is a hard comp to pl...
Yea and junbin could play ball well so tank diffed smurf
static pond
Yea and junbin could play ball well so tank diffed smurf
Ya but they wouldn’t have won if at least one player didt do there part
Team never tried to mirror because it such a hard comp to play
hybrid hollow
https://x.com/outlaws/status/1798438257413558686?s=46
From fearless pelican happy shu viol2t
To Fortnite
static pond
Ok random question where can you even watch the esports World Cup
There some esports I wanna watch in it besides ow
hybrid hollow
My goat ocie
hybrid hollow
There some esports I wanna watch in it besides ow
Maybe each game will have their own respective stream
Like ow would still be on overwatch esports and league would be on whatever ts is called
I think that's the best way to do it then having the whole event under one broadcast
static pond
I think that's the best way to do it then having the whole event under one broad...
Hoping this too there so many esports I wanna watch and check out are apex, overwatch, rainbow and maybe pubg
humble token
lbbd7 gonna play pharah
When
hybrid hollow
I like watching streamers react to high level matches and teams just bc the things they say are funny
keen abyss
Junbin is Def top 2 ball behind chazm
i feel like you cant compare them
in a setting of organized play i think junbin is the better ball simply bc he's the better tank player and has a much better understanding of how to play ball to set up his team and beat organized teams from his greater experience as a pro player
but in a ladder context i dont think anyone can match chazm
i think they're both #1 within their own niches
in ranked i'd probably take chazm in organized i'd take junbin
hybrid hollow
i feel like you cant compare them
He's a chazm fan let him be delusional
Best org back at it again
streaming the face it games is actually huge
Quality a little scuffed but it's been awhile yk
static pond
Nrg lost to shikigami
humble token
in ranked i'd probably take chazm in organized i'd take junbin
Fine take
humble token
He's a chazm fan let him be delusional
Being delusional is cool
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https://www.youtube.com/live/ET9NUCaJ8WI?si=zj_OMYwOjTsSlp2b
They are losing to Japan lol
weary scarab
When
they played him 7pm yesterday my time. They lost with lbdd7 against team peps lol
then they destroyed the other team when they had youbi in
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then they destroyed the other team when they had youbi in
Lbbd7 sucks ig
frail whale
Lbbd7 sucks ig
yeah lbdd7 is an off brand yznsa
yznsa is honestly levels above him on the fliers
even still when he dosent compete in pro play cuz hes banned
humble token
Yznsa was actually good on his hero😭😭
frail whale
lbdd7 is better on flex support then on his main role 😂
hybrid hollow
Is lbbd7 not a flex support......
I thought he was just a bap player this whole time
glass sleet
I wonder how different tm would perform if they had KSAA in Dallas. I think they would’ve done way better cuz it’s a mauga meta and they’ve been playing mauga since he came out.
glass sleet
Is lbbd7 not a flex support......
He’s a dps player that plays Pharah echo
sage grove
I actually still didn't watch finals, been sick for 3 weeks and still has some sickness
sage grove
even still when he dosent compete in pro play cuz hes banned
Yazna wasn't banned, he just earn way more money from streaming compared to esport
He just decided to not play, his ban was only 1 year
Issue is phara is actually good in current meta
In many maps
Maybe it's time for yazna to return, I bet if I keep saying that some other player is better phara he will come back
Saudi future players seem very dim and they spent money on all female league, many female players come from Europe
hard forge
I wonder how different tm would perform if they had KSAA in Dallas. I think they...
they wouldve made maybe top 7/6 best case scenario
but without quartz, even with ksaa its still tough
hard forge
Wait there's an all women league for overwatch?
yep its saudi, was kinda cool
we wont see them in the main league though
hybrid hollow
yep its saudi, was kinda cool
Where can I watch
was it Saudi only or were there international players too
hard forge
Where can I watch
i watched some of it live, it was on saudi eleague twitch channel but i can see if they have a youtube
hard forge
was it Saudi only or were there international players too
saudi only
hybrid hollow
<@707268359254966354> https://liquipedia.net/overwatch/Saudi_Womens_eLeague/2024...
Oh shit that's pretty cool ngl
hard forge
in saudi eleague overall ur allowed to have imports
hybrid hollow
Saudi once again innovating this esport
sage grove
i didnt see them
Not all teams have them
hard forge
yeah i think it would be the richer teams
hybrid hollow
even if it's not at a t1 level the more pro overwatch the better
sage grove
@hard forge check the link I sent
Look at player nationality in every team
There is like 2 german girls, 1 french, one Swiss and Romanian
sage grove
even if it's not at a t1 level the more pro overwatch the better
Idk man There is no fan service and most Saudi girls cover from head to toe ....
sage grove
TM and Falcons still being the top teams is funny
They are the richest
hybrid hollow
Idk man There is no fan service and most Saudi girls cover from head to toe ....
Good thing I'm watching for the overwatch
sage grove
Good thing I'm watching for the overwatch
I think like in esport, most famous female teams were about the girls looks tbh
Like I hope people will care about gameplay but like they might not
I have video of Saudi tw team raising the cup with girls covered from head to toe
It's very funny but I can't post videos yet
glass sleet
they wouldve made maybe top 7/6 best case scenario
Top 7/6? Really? So you think they’d only beat NRG? 💀
hard forge
Top 7/6? Really? So you think they’d only beat NRG? 💀
😭
i mean, i have a hard time seeing how youbi beats kevster withut quartz
so theyre not beating ence at all
glass sleet
i mean, i have a hard time seeing how youbi beats kevster withut quartz
Dude I meant the old TM team
And I find it hard kev beating Youbi with Kai
hard forge
Dude I meant the old TM team
oh nah old tm stomps na and eu
hard forge
And I find it hard kev beating Youbi with Kai
i mean if its youbi alone on flex dps kev wins no?
glass sleet
i mean if its youbi alone on flex dps kev wins no?
You talking about current tm?
frail whale
Yazna wasn't banned, he just earn way more money from streaming compared to espo...
no he was literally banned from competing until like septermber this year
sage grove
no he was literally banned from competing until like septermber this year
He said he was banned just like cloudy period
Idk how much exactly
glass sleet
Did izayaki leave roc?
hard forge
You talking about current tm?
yeah, thats what i assumed u were talking about b4 u clarified
glass sleet
yeah, thats what i assumed u were talking about b4 u clarified
Ok
weary scarab
since when did checkmate play with rocstars?
hybrid hollow
since when did checkmate play with rocstars?
Since stage 1
Well he was with the org whatever the name was
weary scarab
Since stage 1
whyis he not in in faceit?
hybrid hollow
And when roho and them left him and izayaki were still with the org
hybrid hollow
whyis he not in in faceit?
He was in stage one then some shit happened I guess
Idk the detail but I think he's still signed under roc esports
humble token
And when roho and them left him and izayaki were still with the org
Why did roho leave em
glass sleet
Skin was ugly and it wasn’t out for long
THE SKIN WAS UGLY
No one wanted to buy it
glass sleet
since when did checkmate play with rocstars?
That’s roc esports not rocstars
Different teams
glass sleet
But where is izayaki
hybrid hollow
It's just roc esports dropped everyone that wasn't Korean for stage 2 so they didn't have a team
glass sleet
It's just roc esports dropped everyone that wasn't Korean for stage 2 so they di...
For owcs?
hybrid hollow
But where is izayaki
Bro got up out of there
glass sleet
Bro got up out of there
I think he should’ve stayed. Roc was gonna pick up an all Korean team rumored
hybrid hollow
Seeing that they're playing under roc esports now tell me it wasn't a falling out thing
They just didn't play under the org for a season for whatever reason
hybrid hollow
Myb
Like roc nation isn't roc esports
But the roc nation players were on roc esports for stage 1
Then they weren't for stage 2
glass sleet
Rocstars?
hybrid hollow
And now after they're back
glass sleet
Wtf is roc nation
hybrid hollow
Nation stars whatever it was called
Point being it wasnt the same team
All ik is that they lost to deimpero
glass sleet
Roc esports kept Koreans and dropped everyone else. They went and made rocstars
hybrid hollow
then roc esports signed them back for e league?
glass sleet
All ik is that they lost to deimpero
Lol that’s rocstars
glass sleet
then roc esports signed them back for e league?
No I think they dropped them for OWCS roster. They’re still on for the Saudi eleague cuz most the team needs to be Saudi I think
glass sleet
What
hybrid hollow
Raise the import limit for owcs to 3 and bring checkmate to Toronto
glass sleet
Sign FTG?
glass sleet
Raise the import limit for owcs to 3 and bring checkmate to Toronto
Lol nah
You’d take checkmate over sugarfree?
hybrid hollow
Yeah but it's really a synergy thing
glass sleet
I’ve only seen him play in eleague so I hope he’s not rusty
Bro wish eleague had English commentators
hybrid hollow
You have Rupal someone and merit so if it was possible getting checkmate would be nice
Even if there wasn't import limits I doubt chorong would leave raccoons
He has no reason to
glass sleet
You have Rupal someone and merit so if it was possible getting checkmate would b...
So all Korean? Lol
hybrid hollow
If they could rebuilding the mayhem would be the best option tbh
They won a grand finals together why not do it again
hybrid hollow
Yeah the Florida mayhem
If they could yes
Fuck import rules just give me the best team you can build
glass sleet
Fuck import rules just give me the best team you can build
Then you’ll just have owl again
All Koreans in NA again
hybrid hollow
Import rules in na is whatever bc only 2 teams can actually buy them
hybrid hollow
No it wouldn't level up
I would just have a team to route for that can actually compete
glass sleet
That’s not actually NA?
hybrid hollow
so either Toronto locks in before the next major or we say fuck the import rules
hybrid hollow
That’s not actually NA?
Just put hydron on the bench fr
keep that real american spirit
glass sleet
Just put hydron on the bench fr
Like falcons?
rugged quest
I would just have a team to route for that can actually compete
Would defeat the entire purpose..
At that point its the same as falcons hosting a roster in korea and calling it emea
its not na competing
hybrid hollow
its not na competing
The only na players I care abt is rupal pge and Landon
We have no players to actually compete
Hopefully things change before the next major
lavish prism
Hopefully things change before the next major
pls not NA being so mid is funny af c:
modest wharf
Does anyone have a workshop code for stats/exporting stats?
hollow briar
What time is the stream tomorrow
robust patio
C:
paper totem
Why does pge like throw his ranked games on purpose but when OWCS rolls around he goes god mode
Dude never takes ladder seriously lol
robust patio
CR ON TOP
sullen berry
Dude never takes ladder seriously lol
And honestly, why should ranked be taken seriously if he isn't playing with people he knows and the outcome are about as good as a coin flip
bitter marlin
Does anyone have a workshop code for stats/exporting stats?
just press tab and screenshot leaderboard tho?
doesnt whatever scrim workshop ur running have this feature build in?
most scrims i seen have stats display on screen, i imagine it would let you export
if not, just loop trough the values and printlog them
frail whale
anyone know when stage 3 begins_
bitter marlin
stage 3 of depression and grief and depression has long since passed when ow2 launched
hybrid hollow
Dude never takes ladder seriously lol
No why would he
If he can troll and be top 200 why try every game
Content makes money so
glass sleet
Wish Saudi eleague had English casters for finals
glass sleet
https://x.com/GoldenboyFTW/status/1799423927069856003
What’s this about?
hybrid hollow
Who is the best Kiri rn
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Who is the best Kiri rn
Imo slay hot takw
hybrid hollow
Eu minded
hybrid hollow
I would say shu ngl or in owl s6 definitely viol2t
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But kiri in pro play does not get a alot of plays
Like kiri skill does not matter much
With kunai
Only suzu and ult usage
After the they removed 2 shot
hybrid hollow
Kiri in pro play is lowkey heal bot sim
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Kiri in pro play is lowkey heal bot sim
Thats what I mean
hybrid hollow
She only gets run with Lucio rush comps and sometimes Kiri ana
uncut drum
What’s this about?
esports award have made a 3 year parthership with ewc
and people are not happy
hybrid hollow
So actually it might just be fielder
I remember the stage 1 fielder povs bro was healbotting like no other
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So actually it might just be fielder
Fielder is the best healbotter in the game imo
glass sleet
esports award have made a 3 year parthership with ewc
What’s esports awards?
glass sleet
and people are not happy
People aren’t happy esports awards had a contract with the biggest esports event? That sounds reasonable?
humble token
Like even shu cant make plays with the character, just to healbot play style in pro play
I think shu or violet would be better in dubbel flex
With kiri
naive gulch
does anyone know the meaning behind the atlanta reign homestead 2020 spray? its their symbol on a peach
(like a sticker)
uncut drum
People aren’t happy esports awards had a contract with the biggest esports event...
dude dont even try with that shit
i cant even be asked to argue with you rn
go read up on it
glass sleet
go read up on it
What am I supposed to read up on?