Are y'all still on Abt seicoe and kevster
#esports-discussion
hybrid hollow
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How do u like chiyo he was bullying donghak
hybrid hollow
These Europeans man
errant hornet
Ok the other hand I have an extreme level of unwavering hate for Mauga and am so done with this hero being relevant
velvet lintel
blame blizzard
errant hornet
blame blizzard
True
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Ok the other hand I have an extreme level of unwavering hate for Mauga and am so...
Blizzards fault not really the pros
wise orbit
he's arguably the best off dps in the west
errant hornet
And not even trying to take credit away from falcons I mean they found the comp that works very well for them.
Just fuxk this hero omfl
static pond
And not even trying to take credit away from falcons I mean they found the comp ...
not really lol
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he's arguably the best off dps in the west
Kev on flex yeah but imo quartz is better
glass sleet
he's arguably the best off dps in the west
He’s good but he’s not the only one. Other players do what he does and have titles for it
static pond
it the same comp fron the start
wise orbit
quartz is best hitscan
errant hornet
Eh
wise orbit
in west
errant hornet
I think the genji venture variant is different fs
Still winnable for cr obv just one map
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The tracer venture is better for most maps i think
errant hornet
But it didn’t exactly look close
glass sleet
So far Jake might be right. CR might be easier for SSG LOL
errant hornet
The tracer venture is better for most maps i think
If it’s a map where u can run down the enemy fs
lavish prism
bad pachimari said SSG wins the tourney so ggs EU
glass sleet
The tracer venture is better for most maps i think
I hope so cuz lip’s tracer is mid compared to fdmg players
errant hornet
bad pachimari said SSG wins the tourney so ggs EU
Well it’s joever
lavish prism
my copium is gone now
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I hope so cuz lip’s tracer is mid compared to fdmg players
Its not mid dawg
errant hornet
I wanna see SSG win tho that would be epic
glass sleet
Its not mid dawg
It’s 100% mid
hybrid hollow
We go gib here
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It’s 100% mid
Lip tracer is good but not elite
hybrid hollow
What the fuck
errant hornet
To see hadi win a major
glass sleet
He’s not good enough on tracer do not say otherwise
lavish prism
Well it’s joever
BP cursing EU forever
hybrid hollow
Oh they wanna ball ball
errant hornet
And western copium
hybrid hollow
junbin wants to get frisky
glass sleet
Lip tracer is good but not elite
It’s not good enough. They always look the worst when he’s on tracer
errant hornet
If NA is gonna be cursed at least let EU represent the west lol
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It’s not good enough. They always look the worst when he’s on tracer
Nah they were beating falcons before with him on tracer
weary scarab
god i hope ssg gets giga humbled
lavish prism
god i hope ssg gets giga humbled
huh
hybrid hollow
god i hope ssg gets giga humbled
Humbled? How would it be humbling
errant hornet
I don’t agree
glass sleet
Nah they were beating falcons before with him on tracer
Heesang is nuts I agree
lavish prism
how does one humble the extreme underdog?
weary scarab
Humbled? How would it be humbling
i dont think u have seen their interviews
static pond
Yes lip’s tracer isn’t at the same level. It’s not good enough.
yk he diff proper on tracer lol
errant hornet
I think cr historically had looked much better on the dive
hybrid hollow
They already proved themselves
glass sleet
yk he diff proper on tracer lol
He didn’t.
errant hornet
i dont think u have seen their interviews
Bro every team is going in confident
glass sleet
Wtf you on about
lavish prism
i dont think u have seen their interviews
every team had those kinds of interviews basically
errant hornet
Every team shit talked like
hybrid hollow
i dont think u have seen their interviews
Every time talks shit in every interview it's been like this for years
errant hornet
It’s kinda the point
glass sleet
He “diffed” him Wtf is that cope
weary scarab
every team had those kinds of interviews basically
basically they called korea frauds and called falcons shit
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Falcons are looking insane tho
static pond
He didn’t.
looks like someone didt watch cr 3-0 falcons last finals
lavish prism
basically they called korea frauds and called falcons shit
yes thats trashtalk
like huh
errant hornet
basically they called korea frauds and called falcons shit
So did like almost every other interview towards each team like
static pond
lip cant do as much cuz venture
glass sleet
looks like someone didt watch cr 3-0 falcons last finals
Lol where’s the example of him diffing him? He was on Cassidy and heesang is just carrying his ass
lavish prism
yeah which is why i wanna see them lose
but every team said similar stuff?
hybrid hollow
Like nobody actually expected the Koreans to lose just proving you're the best team in the West is more than enough for ssg
errant hornet
Ok but so did falcons, nrg, ence, Toronto, m80, etc
glass sleet
You don’t want lip on tracer and CR knows that
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Like nobody actually expected the Koreans to lose just proving you're the best t...
Me
lavish prism
no coming back from that one
glass sleet
Oh look, they put him on Cassidy what a surprise
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Proper is back looking better than heesang again
weary scarab
i just dislike ssg tbh
glass sleet
Lol proper keeps missing the sticks on the tanks
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i just dislike ssg tbh
U dont like hadi how dare you
hybrid hollow
Bro dislikes the hope of the west
weary scarab
U dont like hadi how dare you
nah i like him not the team in general
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nah i like him not the team in general
Why
lavish prism
and astro is quite chill too
lavish prism
huh
hybrid hollow
and I mean Landon has the Korean cosign
weary scarab
i love ence and tm
hybrid hollow
they just annoy me for some reason they give off the ego vibes
You suck at reading ppl dude
hybrid hollow
i love ence and tm
????
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i love ence and tm
Tm died
weary scarab
yup
weary scarab
ok now i wanna know what teams do you like in NA?
m80
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No 3-0 this game
hybrid hollow
Wait high noon to break the cage is kinda huge is this the new high noon value
static pond
m80 has egos?
weary scarab
So you like the teams with egos that can't back it up
i guess ssg backed the falcons trashtalk up with being 0:3
lavish prism
and every single na player shittalked EU, that got them far
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i guess ssg backed the falcons trashtalk up with being 0:3
Ye the tashtalk made me think they could beat falcons
lavish prism
(not actually ever single one)
hybrid hollow
i guess ssg backed the falcons trashtalk up with being 0:3
Again the interviews are literally meant to have trash talk
Nobody with a brain thought they were gonna beat falcons prior to the match
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C9 lol
hybrid hollow
It looked more believable during the match actually
weary scarab
would run through falcons
lavish prism
ehh
idk did you want them to go into the interview with "Oh yeah were totally gonna lose!!!"
hybrid hollow
Bc falcons looked pretty shaky until they found the mauga venture shit
lavish prism
if you dont go into the games with confidence its over
hybrid hollow
theres a big difference from ego and confidence
static pond
well cr
errant hornet
Fuckinf Mauga mirror
lavish prism
shouldve done it earlier
glass sleet
So both maps were just complete rolls
lavish prism
CR remembered theyre the goats
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Yesh lol
hybrid hollow
Mauga is just so 😴
lavish prism
So both maps were just complete rolls
yeah but i have more confidence in CR now
errant hornet
Bro I need some Winston in my life rn
lavish prism
they won the mirror
errant hornet
Or queen or sigma or like even ram or rein or doom
lavish prism
and lost on the comp that got hardcountered
errant hornet
Just not Mauga lmfao
lavish prism
Bro I need some Winston in my life rn
mauga go brrrrrrrr
hybrid hollow
Can we pls go gib pls
glass sleet
Ahhhh Mauga comp is so boring to watch
Dude how? You have fucking genji, venture Cassidy, and Pharah. It’s not boring imo
errant hornet
Can we pls go gib pls
Ong
lavish prism
i love how mauga literally just goes brrrrrr aswell
glass sleet
You have the crazy genji plays to make it fun to watch
errant hornet
Dude how? You have fucking genji, venture Cassidy, and Pharah. It’s not boring i...
The dps are fun
lavish prism
if its not mirror its fun to watch
errant hornet
The Mauga makes it boring
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Falcons kinda threw that
errant hornet
Ong mirror makes it worse
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Cuz c9
glass sleet
The Mauga makes it boring
Thankfully I don’t think it’s boring.
errant hornet
I’m like ok with the non mirror it’s at least more interesting
hybrid hollow
it's just kinda dull when fights are decided bc this mauga got pocketed harder
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Thankfully I don’t think it’s boring.
I thinks its more boring for the tanks
glass sleet
I’m like ok with the non mirror it’s at least more interesting
Good thing it wasn’t a mirror tho right?
errant hornet
Good thing it wasn’t a mirror tho right?
I mean it is a Mauga mirror?
Both tanks are Mauga
lavish prism
watching mauga shoot at mauga isnt fun
errant hornet
Both comps play extremely similar
glass sleet
I thinks its more boring for the tanks
It’s fine for me if there’s a boring tank but surrounded but fun heroes. It’s just ONE hero on the comp
dreamy cave
I got my money on falcons. But I'm hurting because my enjoyment of Stalker and lip is even
errant hornet
And like Ngl I love watching pharah and genji n shut but
glass sleet
I mean it is a Mauga mirror?
Same tanks sure but 2 heroes out of 10 is bothering you?
errant hornet
Mauga e is just such a boring cd
lavish prism
I got my money on falcons. But I'm hurting because my enjoyment of Stalker and l...
idk cr look good af for the series rn
after winning the mirror
errant hornet
The entire game is just “Mauga e, if no answer mauga e as well or kite”
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Sirmajed maybe?
lavish prism
they lost on the dive vs mauga, matched, and insta took a map back
weary scarab
the grands is happening in like 3 hours rihgt?
dreamy cave
That wasn't a true mirror. But I like the venture.
glass sleet
The entire game is just “Mauga e, if no answer mauga e as well or kite”
You’re simplifying it way too much dude
lavish prism
That wasn't a true mirror. But I like the venture.
it was a tank mirror, thats what we are talking about
errant hornet
I’m Ngl that’s like half the comp
Mauga mirror is not nearly as complex as rly anything else
static pond
i think
glass sleet
It’s way better than orisa
errant hornet
Dps matchup is a bit interesting
lavish prism
idk
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No majed bruh
static pond
falcons cant play complex comps
static pond
my guess when stuff goes down falcons struggles
lavish prism
idk theres some giga aggressive orisa players that are at least fun to watch
static pond
to comm
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falcons cant play complex comps
They can just not better then cr
dreamy cave
falcons cant play complex comps
What complex comps are u thinking of??
lavish prism
with mauga everyone plays the same
there is no difference in playstyle between maugas
static pond
What complex comps are u thinking of??
teamwork base
lavish prism
orisa at least theres some variance
errant hornet
Winston comps, doom comps, less brain dead brawl comps
glass sleet
So dive
errant hornet
I think falcons are kinda more carried by individuals than teamwork
dreamy cave
Rein, orisa, sigma,
Those are tanks, but ight
glass sleet
I think watching winton dive in and just left click is boring
errant hornet
Compared to other teams
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Winston comps, doom comps, less brain dead brawl comps
Rein brawl is very high skill
static pond
we seen cr look pefert we also heard falcons struggles in scrims
glass sleet
Those are tanks, but ight
Omg they are tanks
lavish prism
Those are tanks, but ight
tanks dictate the comp you play
errant hornet
Rein brawl is very high skill
I never said it wasn’t
lavish prism
do you want us to list the entire comp?
static pond
I think falcons are kinda more carried by individuals than teamwork
ya i htink this too
hybrid hollow
Have they picked a map yet
glass sleet
Have they picked a map yet
Midtown
hybrid hollow
Nooooo
errant hornet
I shoulda said not brain dead brawl comps (aka not Mauga)
lavish prism
when saying a team plays rein you know what they play, say they play soj echo lucio kiri and that could still be like 10 different comps
errant hornet
Cause I think u can legit argue ssg looks more cohesive EXCEPT for a lack of answers to the Mauga rush
static pond
mauag comp goes in there favor cuz comms aret as much importanmt unless stuff goes down
lavish prism
Cause I think u can legit argue ssg looks more cohesive EXCEPT for a lack of ans...
yeah only korea teams play mauga and that seems to be the meta rn
glass sleet
I assume hanbin and max got subbed in
Yes. You can literally see them in the background lol
lavish prism
im excited for the non mauga mirror map
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They forgot sirmajed big mistake
glass sleet
Omg guys sigma mirrors are so boring
hybrid hollow
Yes. You can literally see them in the background lol
I'm in my kitchen rn lol
balmy wolf
Omg guys sigma mirrors are so boring
Finna fall asleep
lavish prism
Omg guys sigma mirrors are so boring
still better than mauga
glass sleet
I'm in my kitchen rn lol
Whatchu making? A sandwich!?
hybrid hollow
They should torb 1v1 for the map
static pond
is hanbin still ass on sig?
lavish prism
mauga i just look over when i hear dps ults
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is hanbin still ass on sig?
Yes
hybrid hollow
Whatchu making? A sandwich!?
Left overs fr
balmy wolf
I like maugas aggression though better then that slow and steady poke
glass sleet
Sigma CD management is fun
hybrid hollow
Ordered food last night and still had sum left
hybrid hollow
Bro hates the goat
glass sleet
Ordered food last night and still had sum left
What is it
balmy wolf
Bro just runs in and fucks shit up w mauga
glass sleet
I had leftover KFC
lavish prism
I like maugas aggression though better then that slow and steady poke
but mauga mirror is just the tanks shooting at each other till either one of them dies, or their dps pick off a support
so boring
hybrid hollow
What is it
Just sum wings and fries nothing crazy
glass sleet
idk why but he annoys me so much
Grrr caveman mad smart man smart
glass sleet
Just sum wings and fries nothing crazy
Damn
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kinda crzy tho max can play mt too
His winston sucks
hybrid hollow
kinda crzy tho max can play mt too
Crusty plan backfired on him a whole year later
lavish prism
Grrr caveman mad smart man smart
jake hyped up NA so much just for them to not win a single actual game i feel, unless im misremembering
static pond
Crusty plan backfired on him a whole year later
and they even brough o2
glass sleet
jake hyped up NA so much just for them to not win a single actual game i feel, u...
They only won against TM. The team missing 3 players lol
static pond
lol
lavish prism
They only won against TM. The team missing 3 players lol
as i said
they havent won a single actual game
static pond
just to do nothing with it
glass sleet
jake hyped up NA so much just for them to not win a single actual game i feel, u...
Tbf, TD should’ve been better for the roster they had. Their performance was awful
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Hadi would be proud
hybrid hollow
LOOK WHAT THE BALD MAN DID
glass sleet
Audio is fucked
velvet lintel
why they going train
lavish prism
Tbf, TD should’ve been better for the roster they had. Their performance was awf...
idk, i always expected EU to be better
velvet lintel
lmao
balmy wolf
they havent won a single actual game
Fr and the c9 was crazy
lavish prism
NA cant compete without imports
glass sleet
idk, i always expected EU to be better
EU has 3 great teams NA should’ve had at least 1.
TM would’ve been strong if it wasn’t for their situation
lavish prism
EU has 3 great teams NA should’ve had at least 1.
yeah but they didnt even manage that with first picks on who to sign xd
idk i just dont rate the NA players much
outside of landon c:
glass sleet
Rupal. The owl grand champion 23
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Stalker is nutz
lavish prism
rupal is decent too
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Rupal is very good bro won against koreans
lavish prism
so the only great NA players are 2 flex supports
glass sleet
Lol
lavish prism
c:
hybrid hollow
All Na has is Landon Rupal and Lenny to some extent
lavish prism
and landon plays in EU lol
hybrid hollow
Free my region
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All Na has is Landon Rupal and Lenny to some extent
Sugerfree aint that good imo
glass sleet
All Na has is Landon Rupal and Lenny to some extent
After their game…idk if lenny is that great
hybrid hollow
Tr33 better be the best player to grace the game
glass sleet
Maybe
glass sleet
Tr33 better be the best player to grace the game
He lost in collegiate
hybrid hollow
After their game…idk if lenny is that great
The whole team was ass atp
hybrid hollow
He lost in collegiate
Winthrop doesn't count fr
coluge is washed uv was on flex dps and they never scrimmed
lavish prism
idk toronto just needs to stop trolling and actually try to improve
glass sleet
Winthrop doesn't count fr
Just saying. He couldn’t beat college chumps
lavish prism
just cuz they beat all other NA teams doesnt mean they theyre good
glass sleet
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Stalker best venture in the world
hybrid hollow
Just saying. He couldn’t beat college chumps
Nah he was better his team was just worse
glass sleet
Jk
glass sleet
So we’ll have two fdps and two fsups as na best?
hybrid hollow
Heesang got greedy
lavish prism
even if its not really a game
static pond
Tree is my savior
his teams are m80 and nrg
hybrid hollow
So we’ll have two fdps and two fsups as na best?
Tree looks more like a hyperflex rn
He plays hitscan and flex
lavish prism
So we’ll have two fdps and two fsups as na best?
whos the second fdps?
hybrid hollow
idk which he's actually better on
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Agressive beat from chorong
glass sleet
Tree looks more like a hyperflex rn
Tbh I’ve never seen him play so idk. I just know people hype him up too much
hybrid hollow
That's a crazy chase wtf
glass sleet
whos the second fdps?
Tr33 and sugarfree
glass sleet
Ok
hybrid hollow
Bladejax
hard forge
heesang wanna be proper so bad rn
hybrid hollow
doesnt say much
I mean we're talking Abt NA so
hard forge
he wanted that 3k
hybrid hollow
Means a lot in that context
hard forge
greedy ass
lavish prism
yeah but they need an internationally good team
static pond
they ignoring proper lol
hybrid hollow
That's never gonna happen without imports
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Fielder??
hybrid hollow
There just isn't depth of overwatch players at that level
glass sleet
Imagine m80 but instead of the Korean dps, they had sugarfree, PGE
lavish prism
lol
hybrid hollow
Imagine m80 but instead of the Korean dps, they had sugarfree, PGE
Peak trash
lavish prism
lmfao even
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Imagine m80 but instead of the Korean dps, they had sugarfree, PGE
Ez win bro
hybrid hollow
Pge aura has to carry
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Pge carries
lavish prism
if pge is really the best hitscan in NA theyre so doomed
static pond
did they forget shu
glass sleet
if pge is really the best hitscan in NA theyre so doomed
Chopper? Fuk
hybrid hollow
Not a lot to work with
glass sleet
Seeker
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Him and seeker are tied for best na hs rn
I prefer pge
lavish prism
what would be the best no import NA team?
hybrid hollow
Pge beat chopper so
errant hornet
bro chiyo just had like
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Le is crazy
errant hornet
war flashbacks up there
hybrid hollow
what would be the best no import NA team?
Sugarfree Seeker Rokit, Infekted Hawk, Rupal or Landon and Vega
lavish prism
Sugarfree Seeker Rokit, Infekted Hawk, Rupal or Landon and Vega
god NA is cooked
hybrid hollow
yep
uncut drum
Sugarfree Seeker Rokit, Infekted Hawk, Rupal or Landon and Vega
remove vega
pick up someone from ranked
i beg
hybrid hollow
There's not another main support
uncut drum
this vega dude is so ass
errant hornet
vega isnt bad lmfao
hybrid hollow
He's unfortunately the best we have
lavish prism
lmfao
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remove vega
Na he is best main support in na
lavish prism
were talking no import
uncut drum
then it wont be a import
lavish prism
xd
errant hornet
if ur gonna import someone why would you waste it on mainsupport as well
lavish prism
marry him in lmfao
hybrid hollow
If you're gonna import its best to be at tank or hitscan
errant hornet
hypothetically
hybrid hollow
we married the entire CR roster
Better yet a na org just signs them
lavish prism
they dont need to move
hybrid hollow
do what Saudi did but flip it
errant hornet
cr has money though
nah well make it work
uncut drum
nah
hybrid hollow
Elon musk makes an org to sign em
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Chiyo just threw
errant hornet
nah not musk
balmy wolf
And thats why lw is shit
errant hornet
if he makes a team ngl he is too uh
weird of an individual
for me to ever think of that team and not immediately bring to mind his dogshit elden ring build
lavish prism
elon lmfao
hybrid hollow
Raccoons are locked
errant hornet
or like the most questionable retweets I have ever seen
for someone of his status lmfao
balmy wolf
Lw is to awkward to play your just this defenseless healbot
errant hornet
elon is a fucking weirdo
to say the least
hybrid hollow
Lw is to awkward to play your just this defenseless healbot
The weaver was only played to keep the pharah up
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Falcons decided to throw
errant hornet
its like he is generally good at business shit and selling a vision to a crowd but
lavish prism
Falcons decided to throw
?
errant hornet
bro stay in ur lane LMFAO
lavish prism
cr just better in the mirror
errant hornet
yeah cr is just a better team
weary talon
Lifeweaver is certainly an overwatch hero
errant hornet
suprised control was one sided in Falcons favore
weary scarab
who won ?
lavish prism
only reason they lost first is cuz they tried to play dive into mauga
weary scarab
shit
weary talon
But also why tf are we playing lifeweaver
lavish prism
crusty
wise orbit
why cant eu teams be this good
errant hornet
I mean tbh I think CR is going to win at this point
weary talon
Crusty crack coaching
hybrid hollow
But also why tf are we playing lifeweaver
They forgot they were playing raccoons
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why cant eu teams be this good
Genetics
errant hornet
the game looks so onesided
hybrid hollow
why cant eu teams be this good
They don't have the gene
wise orbit
:(
lavish prism
like if the question ever is 'tf is falcons doing' the answer is 'crusty'
hybrid hollow
Fr
lavish prism
why cant eu teams be this good
at least were not the worst!
hybrid hollow
true
errant hornet
or val but I dont wanna fall asleep
weary talon
Cs the Eastern European main esport
wise orbit
at least were not the worst!
na is just sad
hybrid hollow
But we just suck at this fucking game
weary talon
What I miss
Crusty forcing his supports on lifeweaver against lip
errant hornet
CS is just eastern European crack
weary talon
Thats what you missed
lavish prism
na is just sad
na cant even put together a team that would win a single international game without imports
lol
static turret
Crusty forcing his supports on lifeweaver against lip
Falcons throwing ?
errant hornet
as well as the greatest place for eastern europeans to be as racist to eachother as possible
wise orbit
dead last with korea imports
lavish prism
Falcons throwing ?
crusty
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We eupeens also dominate clash royal
static turret
Ah
errant hornet
which is important in its own right
lavish prism
dead last with korea imports
imagine ence with 2 good korean imports lol
errant hornet
Not even imports
lavish prism
korean hs and flex sup for ence would go hard
weary talon
Falcons throwing ?
Guess so racoons won midtown with 5 minutes
errant hornet
imagine ence without masaa ghost lol
hybrid hollow
Ssg pops out with genji Cass next match and beat falcons for the second place clutch
errant hornet
uh mb
weary talon
Kai is kai
static turret
Did falcons get 3-0?
errant hornet
Id also argue that their problem is mostly tank and backline
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Ence should pick up happy or quartz
errant hornet
vestola is rly good but his hero pool is way too narrow
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Did falcons get 3-0?
2-1 cr rn
weary scarab
Did falcons get 3-0?
its 2:1
wise orbit
imagine ence with 2 good korean imports lol
switch kai with a good korea hitscan and they are best in eu
static turret
Ah
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vestola is rly good but his hero pool is way too narrow
They have chase
lavish prism
Id also argue that their problem is mostly tank and backline
i need to see how chase is first
errant hornet
They have chase
thats true but
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Id also argue that their problem is mostly tank and backline
No its hitscan bro kai sucks
errant hornet
Kai is not that bad tbh
lavish prism
give ence a korean hitscan and flex support
wise orbit
with masaa ghost?
yeah ig?
lavish prism
xd
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Kai is good for eu but he cannot compete against lip
No he sucks ass
errant hornet
I think ence backline is a bigger issue than kai ever could be
weary talon
Hes good hes just not THAT good
errant hornet
Like id rather keep ence but get a more flexible backline than anything
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I think ence backline is a bigger issue than kai ever could be
Ence backline is good
hybrid hollow
Give ENCE quartz and drop the backline and we're cooking
lavish prism
I think ence backline is a bigger issue than kai ever could be
yeah but you wouldnt waste a import slot on a main sup imo
weary talon
Its good
errant hornet
yeah but you wouldnt waste a import slot on a main sup imo
no but for flex abs
weary talon
Masaa is good
errant hornet
Masaa I dont rate highly
wise orbit
ence does not have a bad backline ssg just have an op one
humble token
Ghost is a good rookie
lavish prism
ence does not have a bad backline ssg just have an op one
ssg has the 2 best western supports c:
errant hornet
Ghost could be ggood but hes kinda a bap merchant but not as good as Landon, the best bap merchant
lavish prism
change my mind
humble token
ence does not have a bad backline ssg just have an op one
Ye ssg is better i agreew
lavish prism
Ghost could be ggood but hes kinda a bap merchant but not as good as Landon, the...
landon too goated on the bap
errant hornet
ssg has the 2 best western supports c:
main support fs
weary talon
Vestola is so good
humble token
Quartz would be perfekt for ence
wise orbit
ssg has the 2 best western supports c:
yeah both are at least top 5 in eu/na
hybrid hollow
Vestola is good but his hero pool is just not optimal
wise orbit
top 3 even
lavish prism
yeah both are at least top 5 in eu/na
i would consider both the best at their respective roles
errant hornet
Flex support mb rupal? Ik toronto looked rly bad this tourney but tbh I thought rupal himself still played well
lavish prism
imo
static turret
Oh max is in
humble token
Quartz hitscans rivals good korean hitscans
errant hornet
along with Mer1t
hybrid hollow
Oh max is in
He's out now
errant hornet
but that might be a bit too much cope idk
lavish prism
idk about a better western main sup than astro, and landon bap just goes too hard
wise orbit
its always hard to say whos the absolute best but yeah they're great
errant hornet
idk about a better western main sup than astro, and landon bap just goes too har...
yeah main support its easily astro
glass sleet
Smh they need Sirmajed
lavish prism
- rupal is on TD so i automatically dont rate him c:
hybrid hollow
Unironically if Rupal went to ence it would be huge
errant hornet
I mean rupal is rly good despite his teams performance I dont think he was the biggest issue as a player
humble token
Smh they need Sirmajed
Falcons need to keep him
lavish prism
Smh they need Sirmajed
gl outpaying SA
hybrid hollow
you have a bap that can compete with Landon + flexibility
glass sleet
I mean rupal is rly good despite his teams performance I dont think he was the b...
It was Vega
humble token
I mean rupal is rly good despite his teams performance I dont think he was the b...
I think its a team play issue for torronto
errant hornet
I think its a team play issue for torronto
yeah I agree
lavish prism
you have a bap that can compete with Landon + flexibility
yeah but TD has him under contract, and i dont see rupal coming to EU tbh
errant hornet
I dont think the player talent is even bad at all
lavish prism
at that point just get a korean xd
lavish prism
+1
humble token
yeah I agree
Anf maybe vega but there arent better main supports in na goes to show how weak the region is
lavish prism
someone is a counterpick merchant
errant hornet
like we have seen how good rupal is obv, someone is generally fantastic, I think vega is a bit overhated, and sugarfree is also good and even in owl had good performances against everyone else
hybrid hollow
someone is a counterpick merchant
Yeah that's literally what you sign him for lol
lavish prism
his perfomance on each hero is western level c:
errant hornet
ass
static pond
this map
lavish prism
Yeah that's literally what you sign him for lol
yeah but thats not good enough to keep up with koreans
lavish prism
but NA kinda forces an import like that
hybrid hollow
nah his Winston is top 3 probably
static pond
holy shit ii havet seen it in so long
lavish prism
i just dont rate someone
lavish prism
imo lip got robbed on MVP
errant hornet
He just somehow sucks on mauga
I mean tbf it was one map but it was also like the worst map
lavish prism
lip proving hes the goat today
errant hornet
it almost felt like they had never scrimmed the mauga comp and just decided to try it on stage lol
lavish prism
it almost felt like they had never scrimmed the mauga comp and just decided to t...
thats most likely what happened
imo
errant hornet
like thats how bad they looked on that comp
static turret
Oh my god
hybrid hollow
They scrimmed it but it was the first time they played it into a team that wasn't just horrible
lavish prism
im like 95% sure thats exactly what happened
static turret
Junbin is getting slammed rn
lavish prism
xd
errant hornet
They scrimmed it but it was the first time they played it into a team that wasn'...
mb
idk
I mean toronto has potential to be rly good obviously
lavish prism
They scrimmed it but it was the first time they played it into a team that wasn'...
the biggest problem with toronto is their enemies are NA
errant hornet
but like
lavish prism
you cant sharpen a sword on rubber
errant hornet
I dont rly get why they felt a need to throw
wise orbit
we'll see cr v falcons twice today pog
hybrid hollow
I genuinely think if Toronto had actual competition they'll be good
glass sleet
Lol people keep subbing to ow channel
errant hornet
again on paper they are better than ence but ence is just a better team themselves
lavish prism
I mean toronto has potential to be rly good obviously
need to bootcamp in korea
humble token
the biggest problem with toronto is their enemies are NA
Yea thats why their teamplay i bad do they even scrim against koreans?
errant hornet
need to bootcamp in korea
potentially but idk how much time is in the year to do that yknow
like owcs kinda goes on for forever
glass sleet
need to bootcamp in korea
Yeah they need better scrims
hybrid hollow
Bc the issues Toronto have can't get worked out playing against completely lesser teams
lavish prism
Yeah they need better scrims
wont find better scrims in NA though
errant hornet
Bc the issues Toronto have can't get worked out playing against completely lesse...
I mean they have scrimmed SSG and ENCE pretty consistently
from what ive seen
lavish prism
especially if the rumour that pelican and happy leave m80 is true
hybrid hollow
yeah but that was all on ping
humble token
wont find better scrims in NA though
They could scrim korea on ping maybe
errant hornet
mb Korea would help them have different comps but
idk
its hard to just fix a huge teamplay gap
lavish prism
cuz if m80 dps line leaves NA NA really is just so cooked
humble token
its hard to just fix a huge teamplay gap
Easier than genetics gap
errant hornet
but for toronto and m80 its not rly a player issue
glass sleet
The black shurikens are so nice
errant hornet
rupal moreso
lavish prism
they have 2 players that are good internationally and both are flex supports
i dont rate sugarfree
internationally
gets diffed by the top EU dps
errant hornet
I think sugarfree is actually solid internationally but I will admit he looked rough asf yesterday
so idk
lavish prism
give me a decent EU flex dps hes better than
hybrid hollow
Thats why I wish tm was actually good
lavish prism
mb Im looking too much into like historically he looked good in owl even but
im comparing him to decent EU and kor flex dps, and he just isnt there
hybrid hollow
give me a decent EU flex dps hes better than
Idk there's only 3 EU flex dps i care Abt
Kev seicoe and backbone
errant hornet
we'll see the best hope for NA is if Toronto and M80 for that matter learn from this major and get their shit together
lavish prism
Idk there's only 3 EU flex dps i care Abt
and those play internationally
weary scarab
Brutal stagger
lavish prism
so you need to be at least on that level
errant hornet
I dont rly want another league situation where NA starts fine but then slowly but surley mentally fucks themselves into being retirement homes
lavish prism
I dont rly want another league situation where NA starts fine but then slowly bu...
prob what will happen though
xd
hybrid hollow
so you need to be at least on that level
I think he is at least backbone level but falcons was just horrible
First two maps he was fine
lavish prism
I think he is at least backbone level but falcons was just horrible
eh
hard forge
we going to map five arent we
lavish prism
i honestly dont rate him that high
hybrid hollow
It was really the last map was when he was really rough
errant hornet
OOO HEESANG
weary scarab
bro
errant hornet
that was clean asf
hard forge
the diff is mad
errant hornet
holy shit
hard forge
good shit heesang
lavish prism
but even if sugarfree is good, that makes it 3 good NA players, 2 flex supports and a flex dps
not really a team
xd
humble token
Only bad proper genji blade i have seen
hybrid hollow
Yeah na still sucks
errant hornet
but even if sugarfree is good, that makes it 3 good NA players, 2 flex supports ...
yeah
hybrid hollow
1k zoning blade fr
errant hornet
luckily Vega still has SOME time to develop but as of rn
hybrid hollow
Wait he's better
hard forge
1k zoning blade fr
huge tactics we do not understand
lavish prism
luckily Vega still has SOME time to develop but as of rn
but vega also just doesnt look good
imo
for na sure
lavish prism
but otherwise eh
hybrid hollow
Lip finds 5 bc he's lip
errant hornet
but vega also just doesnt look good
uh sure
hybrid hollow
Erm next fight
errant hornet
I mean I think hes not that bad but I think the way toronto plays kinda fucks him as well
hybrid hollow
He finds 5 next fight
weary scarab
giga clutch falcons
hard forge
what are we caging for
hybrid hollow
WAIT IT WAS HUGE
errant hornet
its the same way I think Smurf has underperformed historically but also is way overhated because falcons are ig fucking mauga merchants
lavish prism
idk if that was a good or bad play from junbin
static pond
are yall behind?
lavish prism
lmfao
hybrid hollow
I'm at 15 rn
humble token
are yall behind?
I qatch yt
errant hornet
on the other hand
hard forge
MAP FIVE LETS FUCKING GO
lavish prism
this game is hype
static pond
oh im twitch
lavish prism
cant wait for the rematch later
errant hornet
its very cool to see map 5 between what should be the 2 best teams
I thought CR was much better
humble token
MAP 5 HELL YEAH
lavish prism
ssg is cooked anyway cuz BP said they win
glass sleet
Map 5 lesgo
lavish prism
so gg next there
hybrid hollow
Wait we go gib now right
wise orbit
basically koreans need to be nerfed
weary scarab
I thought CR was much better
the youtube coaches got us thinking falcons was a masters team or something
errant hornet
ngl tho if this was ANYTHING but mauga mirror I would be way more hyped LMFAO
static pond
tbh
errant hornet
the youtube coaches got us thinking falcons was a masters team or something
I mean I thought that falcons was rly good
static pond
it just the mauga comp
errant hornet
like 2nd best is still 2nd best
but that CR was like on another level type of situation
weary talon
What happened was heesang got hit by venture ult and therefore chorong was forced to beat for heesang but they didnt have beat for blade
errant hornet
because in all fairness going into this game CR has looked much more organized as a team
lavish prism
the youtube coaches got us thinking falcons was a masters team or something
the NA interviews are so funny in hindsight
lmfao
hybrid hollow
Koth, fp, hybrid, push, we have to go Gibraltar
weary scarab
let my prediction come true
hybrid hollow
Pls end this on dive
errant hornet
BUT I think that the Falcons rly found a comp that works for them
static turret
Pls end this on dive
Prepare to be disappointed
static pond
bruh what
humble token
Bring sirmajed for last map
weary talon
Maugawatch is so goofy
errant hornet
which is good tbh it makes it not a 4-0 grandfinal
just why did it have to be mauga
hybrid hollow
Prepare to be disappointed
I'll find smurfs home and mess up his bedsheets every time he goes outside if he doesn't play monkey
balmy wolf
I like the vent gameplay shits fun to watch
lavish prism
its so close
static pond
can we see heesang vs proper stats
lavish prism
holy
balmy wolf
Doesnt seem like na plays vent though just asia
static pond
lol
hybrid hollow
M80 played it to copy korea
static pond
damn
errant hornet
honestly SSG game is more interesting to me since the comps tend to be a bit different
its more fun to watch mauga when its not hte mirror versus the mirror
lavish prism
Doesnt seem like na plays vent though just asia
na doesnt play anything c:
they go home
hybrid hollow
Can they get casores off the desk he keeps reminding me
errant hornet
but I wouldn't be suprised if its just hte mirror anyways
balmy wolf
No spice
humble token
Gibraltar i think
balmy wolf
M80 played it to copy korea
I mean its a good comp hard to deal with fr
weary scarab
YES ROUTE
weary scarab
i think crazy racoons will go with dive here
hybrid hollow
Idk why go a map where they can force mauga tho
weary scarab
Why not Gibraltar
maybe they want to have an option to switch to mauga if dive goes bad
hybrid hollow
Why is heesang off the map
hard forge
Doesnt seem like na plays vent though just asia
world cup flashbacks
humble token
maybe they want to have an option to switch to mauga if dive goes bad
They beat falcons on dive mirror
humble token
Shu booped stalker
hybrid hollow
Wait are the matches played on the scrim workshop?
hybrid hollow
Then wtf was that
lavish prism
small indie company
hybrid hollow
the observers can see in the future?
weary scarab
I think they are lol
hybrid hollow
OMG
lavish prism
fuck mauga
weary scarab
fkn pre lobby warm up
hybrid hollow
WHY ARE EVEN HERE
static turret
Why didn’t they chose a non mauga map
hybrid hollow
may Hadi save us
lavish prism
may Hadi save us
inb4 hadi mirrors mauga
weary scarab
i wanna see racoons vs ssg
lavish prism
i mean we all know ssg will lose 3-0, badpachimari cheers for ssg
there is no escaping the curse
hybrid hollow
Why is the beat late from chorong
hybrid hollow
At least they cap
humble token
Venture saving falcons hard
weary scarab
chorong farms beat way faster
static turret
I don’t think the Baptiste is gonna work too diveable
humble token
HOLY shi
hard forge
no way falcons win this
glass sleet
Guys
hard forge
insane
glass sleet
Watch them full hold them
hard forge
no shot
wintry kraken
did the caster think the game is over ? 😄
humble token
Watch them full hold them
Not with stalker venture existing
static pond
chorong mess up his ult many times cuasing them time
weary scarab
smurf blocked the noon and blocked the lucio beat with the cage lol
lavish prism
venture is so good in coordinated play but so ass in soloq xd
hybrid hollow
did the caster think the game is over ? 😄
Probably it happens
humble token
chorong mess up his ult many times cuasing them time
Stop blaming my goat
hybrid hollow
Especially since this map is probably gonna be the grand finals anyways
humble token
venture is so good in coordinated play but so ass in soloq xd
Imo is ok in solo que
weary scarab
damn no spawn hold
lavish prism
Imo is ok in solo que
so easy to counterpick, and if your team doesnt play with you youre forced to swap
hard forge
EWWW LIP
humble token
so easy to counterpick, and if your team doesnt play with you youre forced to sw...
I have decent sucess with her depends on map tho
lavish prism
lip the goat
static pond
who
lavish prism
crimzo got engaged yeah
hard forge
NO FUCKING WAY
lavish prism
rip
hard forge
UGLYYYY
weary scarab
they can contest tho shit
hybrid hollow
Nah I just never cared to find out yk
uncut drum
mah
weary scarab
they win the recontest
humble token
FIELDER
static turret
Idk why they tried to mirror the mauga
uncut drum
that knige
humble token
JOLY
static turret
Falcons been spamming that comp
lavish prism
that mightve been the map tbh
static turret
Oh my god
hybrid hollow
At least crimzo got one ring in his career
static turret
Blade deleted
weary scarab
they lost with cage blad
humble token
Thats huge
hard forge
why is he inting
static turret
Falcons might have this
uncut drum
lol
weary scarab
this might be it
uncut drum
crusty
static pond
chorong?
uncut drum
is screaming
hard forge
this is it
hybrid hollow
Giga hold believe
static turret
Smurf beating those washed allegations
uncut drum
they win in grand finals
errant hornet
wow
uncut drum
it is fine
hard forge
BROOOO
errant hornet
honestly thats an impressive upset
humble token
they win in grand finals
Cope
earnest leaf
shouldn't be considered an upset tbh
humble token
GG FALOCNS
errant hornet
CR looked like the CLEAR favorites going into this but Falcons are just rly good in the mirror
earnest leaf
with the caliber of players on both these rosters it's legit a coinflip who wins
errant hornet
at the mauga comp
humble token
shouldn't be considered an upset tbh
Its not
earnest leaf
at any moment one of them can just kill 4
errant hornet
with the caliber of players on both these rosters it's legit a coinflip who wins
on paper I agree but I think going into the tourney everything I saw
weary scarab
i just know the script like that fr
errant hornet
CR looks much better from gameplay GOING IN
static pond
chorong wash after 2 matches
weary scarab
2/2 today
humble token
chorong wash after 2 matches
Nah its lip not being flexible as proper
hybrid hollow
Again tho why tf did we go route and mirror
errant hornet
falcons look better on the mauga comp
glass sleet
Our second 5th map game
hard forge
chorong wash after 2 matches
not even his fault
hybrid hollow
I genuinely don't understand why they don't take the dive mirror instead of the mauga mirror
humble token
Chorong played well
errant hornet
good job pealing off the venture
static pond
lip fault too tho
errant hornet
consistently
balmy wolf
The choice of 66 killed them
humble token
He played better than chiyo
hybrid hollow
The choice of 66 killed them
Agreed
hard forge
yeah
errant hornet
I dont think anyone in the lobby played bad overall this match
lets be realistic here
hard forge
i think litch any other escort woulda been fine
hard forge
I dont think anyone in the lobby played bad overall this match
ermmm
hybrid hollow
Guxue would've won here tbh
errant hornet
then again I also fell asleep halfway through a few maps because
holy fuck mauga comp just
hard forge
SO REAL GUXUE WOULDVE WON THIS
errant hornet
KILL ME
balmy wolf
Not any other I'm sure taking WG would be best
hybrid hollow
you can force the widow and play dive if they go gib
Like that map was literally perfect for them
dreamy cave
errant hornet
just how much more hype this game could be
if it was this close on like any other mirror LMFAO
aside from orisa comps
like bro this game but a winston mirror would go insanely hard
or fuck it a zarya or even sig mirror
hybrid hollow
hadi used his bald man aura to beat mauga here
humble token
Sad we did not get to see sirmajed
errant hornet
eh