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no one?
heesang farming
echo beam is so satisfying
Wait is balling the mauga answer
I promise you someone said that to me
this should be a quick 3-0
if mer1t doesn't kill someone their comp just loses
I think so
yeah
lip diff na best tracer on tracer
they were getting farmed so wildly
Guys
that was not even close
2 kills
The most “flexible” team is forcing mauga?
Ngl
this is just a comp diff
Cr might be a bit better than literally every other team
they get stomp
Lol TD
I think their comp counters falcons comp
Uh on paper
YRS
The rein actually gets a lot of value here defensively
Never mind I guess hammer man is different
KEEP REIN
reinhardt
PKEADR
Allows the dps to get more value
defiant 100% has the player quality to beat crazy raccoons
they just need to not troll
Sure but honestly cr goin g in has looked like the best team in the world
Not just individual but coordinated asf they just have such clean rotations
junbin is having his fun
ya
i got all the drops pog
there tryna tp to shu
They are NOT london
it can work but they're way too slow
I feel like they should prob go kiri at this point
LOL lenny
What a tp
the TP
Well x9 my sun
LMAO
Sym
Junbin is just different
THAT SHATTER SIDESTEP
Lol
W JUNBIN
wow
Junbin read the shatter
shu won them the fight with that nade lmao
noooo
C9
They're actually trolling
no touch
Yea but tbh
That’s actually a c9
That buff genji guy is based
Heesang is actually really fucking good
I swear if they mirrored dive they have a better chance but they're so hardstuck 'we can never beat Korea on dive' that they're not playing the comp they're more comfortable on
lip’s tracer one of the best? Nah that’s a lie
they fcked up the teleport
Agree
Problem is that the rein shield a lot of the time gets so ducked by the time they tp either Ana gets free nade or the dps have nothing to stop them from getting their poke out
Tor needed to take point significantly quicker
Than they did
Also true
But tbh I don’t think they win the dive mirror
Mb against falcons but not cr who looks near perfect on it most the time
Idk why TD didn’t wanna play dive. They could. Their players are known for the dive characters
But they also shouldn’t pretend that they are ssg lmfao
the circuit pick is huge tho
Literally lol
max will play
Sugarfree with the worst backbone cosplay I’ve ever seen
I guess it's bc merit sucks on tracer but just play it with hitscan
Max sigma most likely
Merit widow maybe
ya but he can flex to mt
Mb but I think the hitscan has kinda been exposed so far
I mean they could play tracer Cassidy, tracer echo, or even echo Cassidy
Just echo to handle the Pharah
u cant play echo if lip on cree
I mean not bad pick by torronto cuz someone diffs max on sig
and heesang being a better overall player then sugerfree
But he wasn’t. He on on tracer
Great map for mer1t too
If mer1t is ever gonna diff lip somehow it would be in a hard hitscan mirror
Not that it will happen cause lip is lip
Both their tracers are not great
But I’d rather mer1t widow or soj than his tracer into lip on the same heroes
I think merit can diff lip
lip tracer is relly good
It’s defo possible but
I think lip is generally a smarter player
Merit widow is insane
lip is better
Idk about soj
Not as 100% on Soj
Lip has better soj i think
he was the best soj to match proper
That was also like 2 years ago lmfao
proper pretty much had the best soj
Shy was 2and idc
ya shy was close to lip on hs
“Yeah we’re confident we are the best on any comp” also them refusing to mirror lol
double hs?
Is merit ... Scared
Maybe
jesus that hold
Why is my tracer on soj 😭 HES NOT PROPER
when there is lip of widow you can't be safe
why is merit committed to this fucking cass
jesus
he wasted ult someone
Bro they can literally mirror this comp why are we in double hs
Omg bruh bro swapwd
solo ult a genji
Yea i dont get it
Maybe sugarfree should go genji
held beat specifically for blade just to get ajaxed by it
Oh there we go
Merit not going widow is so dumb
man lip is a menace
Yeah idk why he’s not going widow being a hitscan player and it’s a widow map
what is casores cooking
Against a widow
What's are these comps
?????
Maybe they’re trying their own comps and then they’ll mirror in their lower bracket run
They're fully capable of matching the widow genji but they were on cass soj for so long
Didn’t scrim that comp
But they scrimmed double hitscan
How
I don't think putting my genji tracer on soj is a good option bc we didn't scrim something
This is worse than ence and ssg
2 ults????
I mean int mei ult
Was blizzard relly needed
But holy giga flux
did max not get beat?
idk
I couldn’t tell
Tr still has to hold for 2 more minutes
True
ram?
They have to find chorong next fight
Cr????
Toronto had no ult
OH HES LOCKED
YES
crazyyyy
HOLY
Mooo
WHY DID VEGA GET PICKED SO EARLY
DAMN IT
i cannot imagine being a new spectator trying to keep up with that LOL
wow
Shit bro that was so close
Wow they kinda threw that
Holy
that was pretty hard fought
They played it so well to they fluxed early to force the beat
tor getting cooked
The early flux was great but they needed to hold further back
I thought TD were gonna win after getting beat
Yeah
It was too late
Vega got caught tho
W racoons
Both were lose so beat was huge
If Vega lives there they win with the early beat
Yeah easily
Seems vega is not that good
Vega died way to fast
I got nervous seeing them hold so close
Me when i lie
I think they needed to play for that second beat harder
The push up was smart
They kinda forced way too hard and Vega got caught for it
Yes but they needed to kite earlier
No they just trolled
Yeah the early flux to force beat was huge Vega just amp'd late and got caught
That was so winnable
Exactly
The second beat was gone they needed to just leave to cart
How did Vega even die?
It's just a Lucio thing man
Not having chorong cost the.
Yeah Lucio is kinda the only person that could die there
Toronto got soft from playing in na to much
It was a team thing there the rotate didn’t happen fast enough
He takes a million damage by venture dash
And dies
It was a good hold
V good hold
Vega is a ground walker
I really thought they were gonna take that map
Extremely close
The attack wad just brsindeaf
It's like they know what to do but the execution isn't as clean compared to cr
Yeah exactly
But Tbf I don’t think any team is as clean as cr
Midtown
Vega dies because its a tank pick difference
Toronto can easily match cr and do well individually imo
I mean Hollywood
Falcons has a chance against cr they seem to be on fire
Yeah Vega is just as good as chorong
But also I think the problem is that cr tends to play the fights better
He cant wall ride out because they single out vega with vortex and mag nade
As long as Smurf doesn’t troll
No but someone is kinda the best tank rn imo
Yeah..
Dont agree
Eh mb
Someone is just the best sigma in the world
vega is not as good lol
I think the thing is that cr is better in more comps
The most flexible but being good on all instead of being great on few is not great
He is good but had a rough game
Vega is very good but hes less experienced
He is very good wdym
And merit is a elite hitscan
Nah
Throw in zarya as well
He’s very flexible but he is extremely good on a lot of those heroes
You can’t say that after him just playing against bad teams for months
And rein
Junbin > someone
He’s now finally against strong teams
Ay man that hero doesn’t exist
Smurf > someone
Has to be bait
I’m right junbin is crazy good
Junbin is close and also crazy good yeah
Smurf is definitely way better
Junbin ball is scary af
Did u watch falcons games
No
You don’t get it. That’s the strat
Smurf is washed
Its not toronto
Asf
So proper can do more yes
Hadi was showing his aura but proper is worth 4 people
Shu > fielder
complete mirror interesting
ence will beat toronto trust
Good rotation from cr
I get my food and I come back to a mauga pharah mirror???
is pharah meta?
Overwatch has 110k viewers on twitch
Not meta but she migth be like b tier
Pharah diff
Winnable?
For torronto nah
First time noticing the car plate lol
Kr just makes everyone else look bad
Lol did both maugas and Pharahs ult and they all died?
Heesang best fdps
What is rupal doing
why are beating that
both supp ults were ass
he rushed to keep someone up but looks away right after
Then Vega beats in a lost fight
At least we’re seeing so many heroes being played, right guys?
heesasng letting the lucio 1v1 happen
Right !!!
Twuce
What match is next
Show match
Nah somebody needs to check NA support players pc’s
Team Danteh vs Team Hydron
Just a na thing
I understand the rush tbh he just didn't commit to it
Na is troll city
No tje rush was horrendous
and I guess Vega was listening to the voices
Hey let me kitsune 3v5 in a small room with everybody low against doomfist with emp punch
He wanted to keep someone up there and wait it out
Vega saw LeeJaeGon pop up
Just reset atp
Yeah resetting is the better option tho
Atp
Actually sub me in for vega
both upcoming matches will be good i think
Where’s frogger when you need him
Kr needs their own separate section
someone is the best tank btw
Eh
ist there suppose to be a showmatch
?
yea
Owcs is very exciting tho
Will owcs be a yearly thing ?
As far as I can tell prob
I'm actually excited for once again
It’s been all 3-0😭
Ofc cr rolled them in scrims but I liked that they were limit testing guxues hero pool
Isn’t once again just the spark ?
Wonder who else is coming back
is ssg vs m80 gona be streamed?
Let's buff genji so WhoRU comes back
Yeah but let’s be real I think cr is gonna win the tourney
They just look so much smoother and more coordinated than anyone else rn
Proper farms the entire lobby
Probably
Falcons has the player skill but at the same time they look more disjointed
Smurf issue
Proper is just carrying falcons
every player on cr is locked in but for falcons it's like proper and friends
Stalker was doing p good
Yeah he has insane mechanics but like
Was stalker doing good.... Or was the comp just that much better
Who knows
comp better
I just know proper was farming
I think sometimes he has bad engage angles or doesn’t set up correctly
Moreso if he has to play tracer
Stalker also has best venture
But I don’t think they will be able to force the unga bunga genji ventur Mauga tbh
They won’t
I think it counters what ssg wants to do very well but into cr prob not
Idk if proper gonna be able to force feed them the win this time
Well Tbf he looked insane but it’s also a hyper aggressive Mauga comp basically hard dumping him resources
Problem is a different team will kite that engage better possibly and it leaves them a bit more vulnerable
Giving resources to proper is a good strat
Yes but at the same time I think cr will outplay it
Me when there is no more cinematics
If u live and kite that initial engage u just win the fight usually
thanks blizz for firing people
U even saw it in the ssg game
All the fights they won in the Mauga mirror were when they could counteract that hard engage
I think they can play it still on certain maps
i fucking love this cinematic dude
The problem is that ssg couldn’t adapt and rly wanted to play the slower paced sym comp
Fs and it’s their strongest look so far
Since it’s also kinda hard to fuck up into teams who don’t play as fast as cr can
Like not to sound mean but let’s be real
Holding w with Mauga e into cage blade is kinda just funny fight win button
And their dive comps have looked a bit too disjointed
Pulse bomb does NOT last that long
Where imo it can feel like proper fielder and Smurf will often just not be on the same page
Smurf will engage when proper is set up or proper will sometimes engage a duel too early
Feels like Smurf just isn’t listening half the time
It’s easy to blame Smurf since he’s the one on Winston who has to engage but it’s obv a whole team issue
@rush_coach Lip can’t carry that much dead weight two days in a row won’t happen buddy
I’m can agree esp first map he has some int engages but it seems like cope to just say “Smurf bad lol”
???
He ought to play better fs but the whole team is disjointed
Basically
Proper sets the tempo majority of the time tho
He was lip coach on Atlanta
Oh
Which is fine he’s literally proper but I think they need to set up their backline a bit better and Smurf and proper need to coordinate better
Individually they are usually fine
Just disjointed
I get it
But like historically a disjointed tank tends to look worse
Are gonna get codes for this by any chance
If proper can still get 3k every time every figth i think tf wins
Smurf is under performing but it’s not by as much as ppl say imo
It’s not gonna work against a team on their skill levels I don’t think
No
Just that the west didn’t adapt in time either
Ssg imo has the skill to win and they generally appeared more coordinated but the problem was they had no answer for falcons who actually adapted rly fuxking well
That Mauga comp when u think about it counters ssg harder than like anyone else imo
And it showed
Ngl next owcs they need to allow@more teams (from eu and kr mostly
We don’t need anymore na teams unfortunately
Yeah I agree
Glad my goat pge got to go to a lan event tho
But if u allow more kr and eu teams u also need to allow more NA for the sake of fairness
Given the only 2 relevant NA teams are m80 and Toronto
Moreso Toronto
would be so nice to see FTG here
The only na teams would be Toronto m80 tsm and a improved shock assuming they sign tree when he's eligible
And mb nrg in a year IF they continue to improve at the same rate they are rn
well
Yeti is very inconsistent
Cause honestly unironically nrg is kinda impressive given where they started
rumorsd tree going to m80
If they keep improving a lot they could be good imo
Bro isn't gonna play 💀
they drop happy get a korean support
justy rumor
I could see it
Pge gonna win Stockholm
But I don’t think m80 had a big roster problem tbh
If it is true I assume they drop lyar
Would rather keep the dps
I feel like na and also eu can have an issue of just perma cycling players instead of improving what is there
I agree
"hey this mid main support doesn't work let's go get the other mid support" literally what m80 did after stage 1
Tor and M80 could develop to have talent and coordinate to actually beat kr teams
Tm before ksaa leaving could have competed with the koreans😭😭
Granted lyar is way better than lep
But the problem is that we lose one game and say “guys it’s joever” and kick whoever we thought was shit lol
What happened
Region diff
Opener?
Tbf the roster changes for m80 imo worked out p well
I think they took lyar over opener for import reasons
Nvm
Opener played for timeless
Isn’t lyar better than lep?
Show match !
He fucking CARRIES the being a normal person that can do basic irl interactions on that team
Team danteh vs who?
Lol
Yeah that sounds like Hawk fr
7yrs of ow bro been playing since he was like 8
Makes sense
😭
I been playing since I was like 10-11
who are these guys
I just turned 18
Faceit players
Maybe I would be normal if I didn't grow up with this game
god
i started playing early 2020
Streamerdron
You're watching overwatch esports rn you can't be that normal
^
i was playing exclusively csgo before 2020
No no no I swear I’m like normal asf
I literally work as an icecream scooper I have to be normal enough for that
We need these hero@bans in my ranked matches
Holy fuck no Kiriko Lucio
If you told ur manager that you watch professional overwatch you'll get fired
Nah
I won’t
But nah
I was on break and my manager caught me watching owl
My manager likes me he’s kinda goated
why chat emote only
Ngl
I feel like the avg day to day person doesn't understand what esports are fr
Working at an icecream place is SO much better than being a cashier at a fucking supermarket
The average person doesn’t watch it
wait why are streamers playing
The average person just watches sports lol
are they a team
Jake is gonna try his ass off for this show match
Show match
get hired as an ice cream scooper 
oh
Hydron gonna take his anger out on these players since he got the boot of his own team
lol why is it emote only now
Ngl hydron seems
did the mods go offline
Can Jake properly rollout his mouse pad pls
Because fun is boring
When you think of a pro ow player you don’t think of someone that has hadrons build
what is this silly ahh match
You think more of a super or moth build
fun police + snowflake + downfall deserved
Say what u want but gator is way more fun for shit taking cr than just staying silent
are these teams balanced
The owcs chat is just 1984
True I think of American overwatch I think of skinny white boy
This is why we need to bring back space
lmao
Annoying comms
Tbf the height of American overwatch is skinny white boys half the time
sog ass comms
Poor avrl
^
Bro have u ever had fun in ur life lmfao
Yes
Like I’ve had comms like this in for fun pugs or troll scrims it’s fun asf
More fun than playing the actual game Ngl
Danteh has 2 old guys a gold player and sum tier 2 player on his team this isnt Fair
😭
Lol
Danteh missed point blank sticky’s bro is washed aswell
Ik all of them but the 2 ransoms they found on the street
It's ok he's a tank player now fr
Put him on doom smh
Jake snatching the fun from dantehs alr emotionless face
Unc is balling
Unc is not balling
Someone tell Hydron this isn’t tryouts for m80
Bro said he's tired of streaming
Wait Danteh is washed
GUYS FINE THEM
It's gg Disney is never playing owl again
Bro no ahit he has been a tank player for 2 years
Emong and jay3 combining age of 73!!!
NAH NOT ENOUGH. If they’re gonna ban players then these need to get banned too
No no words gg
Nah nah Danteh washed he should've killed 5 there
i kill 11 including myself
What am I watching
yea
This is what it reminds me of
Hydron losing to golds
When soe hopping in the show match
team unc beat team uh idk there name
Hydron mad bc he know he didn’t make the m80 reserves
Ngl super in this show match would slap
Yeah fuck you eu
Bro is NEVER getting invited to an overwatch event ever
Too bad he’s blacklisted from any ow event
why
Lmfao
what did he do
9/11 incident
he isn't a shill and is a walking brand risk
huh
9/11 and asian hate
I mean saying he’s a brand risk then inviting hydron is wild
😭
Actually no blizzard just hates super but apply is just as much as a brand risk and he's getting an owcs host tomorrow
They just hate super
Hydron is a bigger brand risk than super ever could be
Supertf my goat
"where is apply 🗣️" the fans asking the right questions
Super just doesn’t say that much wild ahit either lmfao
wait if his editor did the bad thing
His community hard memes him
why should he be punished
It was all@jokes
Again idk how u can be scared of a brand risk but then be chill with like hydron lmfao
Super also has somewhat distanced himself from the normal overwatch content creator space yk
He just does his own thing and farms pge for content
Super and his gimmick characters
Honestly a show match of super versus pig boy
Would go so hard
For content
What do you do if enemy team is shart johnnyg pge Lenny super
Just ff
ence
It is funny tho cause super is prob one of the ow streamers with the funniest personality that actually can be involved in esports
and they lost?
ofc they lost to ence
But streamers that are literally smaller than him get blizzard treatment lmfao
so their team is completely out of the tourney?
Yeah
Yeah
lol
But they took a map
They got a map tho
So
And map 1 was rly close
Tbh they coulda gotten 2 maps unironically
soe is a confirmed rein player
Wtf
I mean tbh they have improved a lot
And most their players are p young (esp infekted)
Stage 1 sog was actually just a troll team
If not the team at least a few players could end up being unironically solid
Now ppl actually wanna see them improve and make the next one
plus it's the shock
Seeing orgs return is hopeful though
If things can slowly grow mb there is like some hopium left lol
oh so the players choose each other
They kinda just form but then an org offers money and players join automatically because there is no money in ow aside from an org
and then sign up
And then if the team stays together and becomes serious they get a manager and all that and if they're good they get signed
They get bored and usually don’t have a life outside ow
so some teams are behind an org while others arent?
Unless ur a collegiate player who is actually getting a degree if u try in school
Most don’t no
The he better teams rn tend to get picked up
Which is hopeful
yea so only serious teams have an org
Tsm and nrg joining again is actually a good sign
most teams that aren't signed atp are just contenders players who got their job robbed or collegiate teams
I’ll be waiting for my goat pigboy to make it to a lan event
job robbed 💀
U want more orgs to join which can attract money to the scene
And hopefully advertising to jojn back
Yeah owl ended and contenders went bye bye
they closed ow contenders along side owleague right
oh
i thought contenders would stay for some reason
Nope
It’s more the poor contenders players are somehow actually more poor now
Broker
this the worst career path to choose
what are the contenders players gonna do in 5-10 years
are they even pursuing something on the side
If it doesn’t (it won’t) u just effectively wasted like 10+ years unless ow gets u onto a collegiate team with a scholarship and u can get a degree
yea
Which actually happens the collegiate scene is rly good for ow
only reason to play would be for college scholarship
Problem is a lot of players don’t try enough to get a degree
unless ur like top 20 players or something
💀
they tryna branch to streaming
wait til they find out its not easy money
rip
Like if ur winning on an org rn it’s not too bad
Some can make a decent bit from streaming tho
Like pge for example
Or super
yea but depends on stuff like their personality marketing etc
most r like 20 viewers streamers
Tbh a 50-100 avg isn't bad
Wait the ssg hoodie looks kinda comfortable
Someone is gonna sell one eBay imma get my hands on it
Yay I get to see hawk being anti social again
u cant blame the koreans but bruh hawk is intentionally throwing that interview
M80 has to win they're in Texas with the outlaws dps
UV wasnt even that bad
he just kinda didnt add much
but hawk
omfl
bro show some fucking EMOTION
ngl I got SSG 3-1
yeah ssg is better
they, again, look more cohesive than m80
m80 has gotten better but
they aren't there yet
they need more time to improve still sadlyh
but they have a good roster I hope they dont do the NA classic of losing and just getting rid of half of it
Do ppl still buy scuff controllers man
idk
mb if u play a game with a controller ig lol
As a console gamer scuff is just a waste of money
Woah wtf the match is happening
The music was still going I was confused
i think this can be the first close match
M80 taking the falons comp
I mean sure but I think the rein is just not good into the mauga rush
like m80 rly just watched how falcons won and said
That’s what teams should do. They should practice better comps not stay on what they lost on
yo what if we did the same thing
this will be a good match i can feel it
M80 has two flexible dps so playing two flex heroes works for them
i wanna see ence v ssg so bad
the high noon care of hell
I feel like honestly they should go echo over tracer imo
I think echo is rly good here
into that comp
mb not this map but
echo would be good
on that map mb
I think overall though echo is better here
also because of copy I think is better into the mauga comp imo
LETS GO M80
yes even proper knows
question about overwatch champion series rn, why is pharah suddenly so popular?
muted the stream nekkras voice makes me sick
is there any owcs caster u dont have beef with LOL
wheres my veteran role btw
i dont like mrx, nekkra, lemonkiwi, custa, reinforce
i like uber, jake, danny and legday
thats it
the rest doesnt matter
soe, jaws and avrl is fine nor do i like or not like em
damn bad shatter
decent hold
but u like coffee
you are the only one
black coffee 🤩
gross
pick one I have many names
might as well eat the powder
i need to try other brands tho
so i can have a different taste
🤤
eu first seed losing to na 2nd seed cringe
Hadi loses aura anytime he’s not playing a kr team
weak
no way eu is this bad
Then ence is even worse
ence needs to clutch
it isnt ence is decent
wait they're locked
They lost a map to the second worst team
ence loat to ssg cuz our tank was titled so he was benched and we has kai on soj
doesnt matter they won
results matter
proper said ence is better xD
Actually no losing a map to sog means alot
Proper gotta focus on his team
process is not important
lol lyar died 84 to beat
Lucio moment
ence was not alive yesterday thry had jetlag and all
i have many reasons why ence wasnt performing good yesterday
tbf i think ssg had jetlag as well
and many reasons why thry will perform good today
where does m80 go now tho
ima sleep guys its 1 am here i will ence win it
They usually pick midtown when they're down but they don't have that option
o7
gn
tack
sucks that ence game is last
ssg vs ence with cloudy and hadi rein mirror would be so cool
Ssg is adapting to the mauga comp lowkey
Or maybe m80 is just worse at it compared to falcons lol
rein has some advantages against mauga
m80 is worse
rein can easily block overdrive and mauga cant block shatter
That's gotta be demotivating
Yeah
They lost on midtown which is arguably their best map even tho they didn't pick it
And now they're losing their map pick
i definitely think the rein comp is better into mauga than sig
at least for london since they are great at rein
guys
Chat what are we thinking
I think picking the rein spawnhold map
3-1?
Beautiful play by SSG
Losing with 2 koreans is just a low blow to na reputation
I mean
its m80 vs ssg
ssg looks more cohesive generally
Korean or not dont matter tbh
Who's m80 coach
Crimzo
He coaches ence
landon top 3 map
at the major
Landon definitely a top 3 bap rn