esports-discussion

[wicked elk]

3 overtime points is insane

this is a great match

[glass sleet]

That’s a good push

[humble token]

support flank lol

[glass sleet]

I thought twisted lost that then I saw Moira and Lucio in the back lol

[wicked elk]

why ain’t ksaa on sigma

[glass sleet]

Why would he be?

[humble token]

No reason to

[wicked elk]

Mauga?

Vestola got melted

[humble token]

Mauga😭

[dreamy cave]

This mauga ain't it

Rein would do better than this

[wicked elk]

they stacked mauga ult and sym ult to respond to one overclock lmao

that was terrible

[humble token]

Bro why

Get off the mauga

[glass sleet]

Quartz using E on mini is smart

[humble token]

Nah wth

[wicked elk]

twisted minds is making this so difficult

why the mauga

[glass sleet]

Dude I’m pretty sure they understand the game more than you

You can’t say that

[wicked elk]

they almost got full held

that wouldn’t have happened if they just mirrored

[glass sleet]

So did ence.

[humble token]

Need good cage

[glass sleet]

It’s just like ence reaching points on OT

[wicked elk]

did vestola not get beat?

[glass sleet]

Nice they will have wall and overclock

[humble token]

Nope

Gg

[glass sleet]

Ggs

[errant hornet]

sad the saudis win

cant have shit

[glass sleet]

Well played twisted

[dreamy cave]

Ez

[quasi nest]

gg wp to twisted minds quartz and ksaa are crazy

[humble token]

?

[glass sleet]

My homie is xenophobic lol

[glass sleet]

The whole team played very well.

[quasi nest]

agree but to me those two were the stand outs

[errant hornet]

for a homophobic team their fans dickride so hard tbh

[humble token]

Quartz potm

[dreamy cave]

Kevster couldn't carry harder.

[glass sleet]

I mean yeah it’s hard not to think quartz carried when he gets a few kills with ult

[wicked elk]

kai did great too

[tidal marsh]

BOOOOO TM took us away from the illios clusterfuck that was gonna happen

[errant hornet]

they played well but they are pieces of shit like

it can go both ways

[glass sleet]

LOL

[dreamy cave]

He ended that last map with about 14 kills. Assuming he got 1 that I missed

[glass sleet]

who’s saying EEEEZEEEE

[humble token]

U sound mad

[errant hornet]

I am

mad

[brittle nebula]

EZ4TWISTED

[errant hornet]

that the gay haters win

oh well

gg go nexty

[brittle nebula]

EZ4TWISTED

[glass sleet]

You’re mad at them I feel like

[errant hornet]

I do respect they are better?

But its unlucky that they happen to be pieces of shit

saudi arabia

[brittle nebula]

EZ4TWISTED

[errant hornet]

they literally have to turn chat off

make it emote only

[brittle nebula]

c9 + mstawa + saltk bllah

[errant hornet]

yeah?

it is

yeah

it is

[humble token]

What do you expect

[wicked elk]

doesn’t make it okay lmfao

[errant hornet]

Im a homophobic hater

[glass sleet]

I’m glad I’m a twisted minds fan. They’re SOOO GOOD

I didn’t know I’d be winning a lot

[brittle nebula]

EZ4TWISTED

[errant hornet]

what are you ok with Muslims being homophobic or

if Christains said they hate black people cause jesus would that be ok?

lmfao

[wicked elk]

i don’t hate them winning

they played well

[glass sleet]

I’m okay with a religion having their own beliefs. I’m sorry you can’t accept people having different beliefs.

[wicked elk]

they deserved the win

[errant hornet]

yeah I am not ok with a religion saying to be homophobic lmfao

same goes for anything

I dont respect bigots LMFAO

[humble token]

The players in tm have not showed any hate to gay ppl

[errant hornet]

u said its in their beliefs to be so

LMFAO

[tidal marsh]

can we get one normal chat when TM play??

[glass sleet]

They don’t support your beliefs and you don’t support theirs. But the two can still be nice to each other. Not constantly hate on them

[brittle nebula]

EZ4TWISTED

[dreamy cave]

Look at the quartz highlight

[errant hornet]

I'd say that is by definition homophobic. If you think being gay actively makes you worse on some level or is not good to do

[tidal marsh]

the only reason im mad at TM winning is cause they give fucking kellex a win

[wicked elk]

quartz ain’t proper tier

[tidal marsh]

fuckin hate kellex

[errant hornet]

I dont like China either idk why you assume

[glass sleet]

I’m a twisted mind fan that’s nice

[brittle nebula]

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[glass sleet]

[humble token]

Is china also against the gay idk

[errant hornet]

yes

[brittle nebula]

@wicked elkkai said quartz is better than him

[errant hornet]

very

[brittle nebula]

lmaoaoaoao

[wicked elk]

Yeah of course

[errant hornet]

China's government actively tries to censor any "gay media" if you will

[brittle nebula]

https://twitter.com/yung_ksp/status/1771999805553733812

kai (@yung_ksp) on X

ggs 1-4 @TwisMinds @owquartz too good

Twitter · Mar 24, 2024, 8:37 PM

[wicked elk]

Quartz is the best soj EU

[brittle nebula]

look lil bro

[glass sleet]

Respect

[dreamy cave]

Where are the mods?

[wicked elk]

What are you tryna prove

[junior radish]

#esports-discussion btw

[wicked elk]

i just said quartz isn’t proper tier

which he’s not

[brittle nebula]

quartz best player of all time

no one does what he does

[junior radish]

proper

[glass sleet]

Nah NAAAAAAAH

[brittle nebula]

which one

[humble token]

He is upp there thougth

[brittle nebula]

korean or kevster

[wicked elk]

top 5

soj

[junior radish]

tf? korean

[glass sleet]

DUDE

[brittle nebula]

there is a korean proper and kevster proper

[humble token]

Top 4

[junior radish]

i'm happy for the team but the fans ruin it because they're genuinely so annoying and stubborn

[glass sleet]

How many times does quartz need to prove he’s easily top 3

[brittle nebula]

EZ4TWISTED cry

[junior radish]

proper and kevster had their usernames swapped

[glass sleet]

Mfs keep saying nah top 5

[errant hornet]

Quartz is very good yeah, Masaa and Crimzo were much worse this series

[junior radish]

proper is proper kevster is kevster

[errant hornet]

and ngl that is just not muich better

[brittle nebula]

tbh

[errant hornet]

if u are gay but u cannot actually do anything u want

[brittle nebula]

idc

EZ4TWISTED

c9

ez

[glass sleet]

Yeah they swapping named for a bit confused some

[errant hornet]

because hte religion tells you u cant

seems like a very roundabout way to justify it

I am hating on saudi arabia

specifically

[tidal marsh]

my team came 4th so im just enjoying good overwatch tbh

[errant hornet]

I dont hate muslims lmfao

[dreamy cave]

@bitter oxide

[glass sleet]

Smh stop hating on others cuz they’re not like you

[dreamy cave]

Sorry to ping, but this is a mess

[brittle nebula]

EZ4TWISTED

[humble token]

Fine but you should not hate the players

[errant hornet]

because they are homophobic, if they were secular than sure

[junior radish]

idm the players the fans are just annoying

[glass sleet]

I’m a fan

Am I annoying?

[errant hornet]

yes

[wicked elk]

they were awful during world cup

[glass sleet]

😢

Wtf did I do!?

[errant hornet]

yes

lmfao

[junior radish]

ur being civil and respectful

[wicked elk]

they threw slurs in chat 24/7 in world cup

[errant hornet]

u think I like china?

sure bud

[wicked elk]

fucking deplorable behavior

[glass sleet]

Yeah ofc I am

[junior radish]

the chinese fans arent as loud

[tidal marsh]

KSA during world cup in this discord was fr like a wasteland

[humble token]

I did not remember

[junior radish]

i remember after they won oh my god..

[wicked elk]

should’ve seen the live comments

[errant hornet]

well tbf the Chinese fans are usually not on the same media we use

[tidal marsh]

oh i was there

[wicked elk]

mainly other streamers co streaming too

It was so bad

[glass sleet]

I didn’t like how the two sides were going at it one bit. People with different beliefs should still be respectful

[wicked elk]

they can’t behave and be respectful

[junior radish]

if hes talking abt the countries thats stupid lol

[wicked elk]

Legit hundreds of slurs

[junior radish]

i was stuck in the parking lot of my local mall bc of a traffic thing and looking through this channel and it was a warzone

[errant hornet]

idk why you justify anything with china. Yeah China is fucked up, I dont like the Weger genocide either lmfao

I dont defend China

[tidal marsh]

yeah i have diff beliefs than KSA but still they do some good fucking overwatch

[glass sleet]

Tbh both sides were in the wrong. You don’t go at someone then act surprised they talked back

[junior radish]

if ur gonna hate on countries go to some political server

[wicked elk]

No other chat was has toxic when the other teams played

[junior radish]

this is overwatch esports bro lol

[errant hornet]

Uyghur

idrc

[humble token]

Nice profile picture

[brittle nebula]

EZ4TWISTED

[glass sleet]

The people themselves are nice even if you’re part of the lgbt. Lots of gay people GO to KSA for tourism. They just expect you to NOT do anything illegal in THEIR country

[errant hornet]

thats not the same as typing slurs LMFAO

one is CLEARLY a joke too btw

[junior radish]

this rivalry is crazy tho, srpc/team finland/owlspraycheck/bubospraycheck/ence and twisted mind

[glass sleet]

But yeah I’m sorry I’m done talking about this

Ggs for twisted and hopefully timeless wins NA

[errant hornet]

Im a someone simp so

[glass sleet]

I mean if they win they definitely deserve it

[dreamy cave]

Can someone ping a mod

[glass sleet]

The last defiant v timeless game was so close

I’m hoping for another banger

[tidal marsh]

EMEA im a big SSG fan, always stuck with london through everything so this roster is like the roster i support, Timeless is My pick for NA

[junior radish]

who fw timeless

[errant hornet]

I am not getting into a geopolitical discussion with someone with that npc of a take, but that is just half true at best esp in recent years. I can tell every single one of your opinions based on ur pfp but whatever

I am also stopping here

cause idrc

[glass sleet]

What

What’s fw

Lol

[junior radish]

fuck with

[glass sleet]

Oh I do

[humble token]

Lf a mod

[glass sleet]

I want timeless to win over defiant

[junior radish]

i like them they're sorta a local team because alot of them are/were on fischer college which is close to me

[errant hornet]

if hating Saudi Arabia makes me an Islamophobe sure lmfao

[humble token]

Same u always got to cheer for underdog

[glass sleet]

I like them cuz it’s a bunch of players I’ve never heard of but are surprisingly GOOD

[junior radish]

yeah they almost beat timeless in flash ops when they were on wisp and that timeless roster was crazy

[errant hornet]

yes having strict laws that dont let gay people practice their sexuality is homophobic

thats like saying Jim Crow isn't racist

like cmon

[glass sleet]

Rokit is nuts on tracer. I’m looking forward to him playing

[errant hornet]

And black people could leave America if they wanted

lmfao

stfu

[junior radish]

if ur gonna have a political discussion go to dms bro i wanna talk about my silly little esports

[errant hornet]

u are so brainrotted

put this thought process for any oppressed people ever

or minority at that

[errant hornet]

mb now I will ACTUALLY stop

[static pond]

Stop with that

[glass sleet]

Dude you immediately coming in here after twisted winning to start problems is not cool. Please just stop talking about it and move on

[static pond]

This is esports

[glass sleet]

You should stop too

[humble token]

💀

[static pond]

You got baited and gave him attention

[errant hornet]

gg im racist now too

[sonic wadi]

????

Weren't you just warned dude not to argue with others

[dreamy cave]

You have have gotten a mod a log time ago

[sonic wadi]

Yes???

[tidal marsh]

bro is not a real one

[sonic wadi]

Your chat history says otherwise

[static pond]

Gg

[errant hornet]

gg

[tidal marsh]

gg

[glass sleet]

When is the next game

Gg?? Did I miss it

Wtf

[sullen berry]

Lol

[dreamy cave]

He is not the only one, @errant hornet as well

[errant hornet]

:3

[sullen berry]

You missed it all from EU

[glass sleet]

Dude CAME looking for problems

[glass sleet]

Oh no I watched the EU. It was fun!

[errant hornet]

:3

hey im not the one who typed that all gay people could leave if they wanted

[tidal marsh]

its the NA Lower Finals and NA Grand finals now, exciting!!

[sonic wadi]

No more arguing :) conversation ends here

[errant hornet]

ok : )

[glass sleet]

I really want some fried chicken rn…

[junior radish]

wow guys! i love talking about esports in the esports channel about esports while the esports is going on! wowie! i am so happy!

[junior radish]

i tried raising canes on friday it was pretty good

[glass sleet]

Espoooooooorgs

[glass sleet]

Never had it

[junior radish]

the texas toast is so good

like mmmm

[glass sleet]

Idk what that is but it sounds good lol

[tidal marsh]

honestly the mauga force from ence on the first 3 maps was like, what are you doing ence

[glass sleet]

Texas has great food

[static pond]

Your asking to get muted dude

[humble token]

Can you stop please

[errant hornet]

I didnt get it either

[static pond]

They just stop

Listen not hard

[errant hornet]

esp cause Ence literally beat the mauga comp

[junior radish]

yeah that's why gunba may or may not be found dead soon under mysterious circumstances 😁

[glass sleet]

They tried to do what twisted did by playing it. They just didn’t understand the comp like them

[errant hornet]

and Kevster on tracer is much better than Youbi

but other than that I think it was a huge backline diff

[sage holly]

Yep yep

[errant hornet]

Masaa and Crimzo just got gapped and caught

[dreamy cave]

Where are they having the grand finals??

[junior radish]

i think masaa was getting picked alot

[glass sleet]

Tbh I would say it was a tank and dps diff

[junior radish]

crimzo was doing fine tbh

[glass sleet]

HUH???

[errant hornet]

uh idk about tank tbh

[dreamy cave]

Nvm

[glass sleet]

It’s online

[tidal marsh]

vestola just didnt look comfortable on mauga and having kev on sym is fr just him with his hand behind his back

[sage holly]

Idk what you I was doing half the match

[errant hornet]

I think the tank matchup was mroe even once they switched comps

[humble token]

Dps was kinda close at the end

[quasi nest]

agree 100%

[errant hornet]

and like maybe its a weird take but ram and mauga charcters just kinda press one button

[junior radish]

the finals for these main events are online BUT the major is at dreamhack dallas with teams from all the regions

[weary scarab]

twisted minds is just better tbh, its like they have it in there genes, like they are born to be superior in overwatch

[glass sleet]

Yeah but the fact ksaa was able to swap to mauga and play it well enough imo means he performed better

[errant hornet]

thats fair

but I also think it was mroe backline diff

[glass sleet]

That’s gonna be so hype

[junior radish]

aint no way avrl

[errant hornet]

like Massaa late beated a lot and crimzo plus masaa got caught WAY more

[junior radish]

bro the atl house was crazy

[sullen berry]

Bit of an exaggeration, but theyve looked good ever since 2023 was their year

[humble token]

Was it not dreamhack Stockholm

[junior radish]

that's the second major

[weary scarab]

nah won, contender eu, won wc, won owcs

[errant hornet]

Quartz played very well overall but Kai was picking it up hard in the last 2 maps so honestly I think it was legit a comp diff

[junior radish]

major 1 is at dreamhack dallas

[humble token]

Oh

[tidal marsh]

Mid season Major is in dallas, Grand finals are in stockholm

[dreamy cave]

You agree kai is washed right??

[glass sleet]

Which is named finals for some reason

[errant hornet]

that for some reason ence decided to play mauga sym

for whatever reason

[junior radish]

yeah

they have THE solo carry player

[glass sleet]

Gunba

[sage holly]

Who's gonna play in NA lower finals?

[junior radish]

but on the bright side

its an excuse to hate on gunba

[tidal marsh]

Timeless M80

[errant hornet]

yes but they LITERALLY BEAT THEM ON TRACER SOJ ALR

[glass sleet]

Timeless and m80

[errant hornet]

and all the maps they won or were close to on the last map

was just off kai kevster

being not on sym

[glass sleet]

They started winning in the mirror yeah

[errant hornet]

and honestly kev looked really uncomfortable on the sym

idk why they forced it

[sullen berry]

There will never be another time where kai just pops off and no one would think "oh wow, must be like that all the time"

[errant hornet]

so hard

[junior radish]

what if they just played ram

[dreamy cave]

Was wins for sure

[glass sleet]

Gunba

[dreamy cave]

Wac

[errant hornet]

idk I think if they mirrored it was winnable for sure

[static pond]

He the coach?

[tidal marsh]

It's just stage one though guys, so they have time to work out the kinks they have within the team and find a comp which works well for them

[errant hornet]

not that they would have won, but it was defo mroe winnable

[glass sleet]

Yeah I believe so

[errant hornet]

if they dont mauga

[static pond]

L

Horrible coach

[glass sleet]

Meta might change by then

[static pond]

Horrible human

[humble token]

Ram is such a good tank, does not have any major counters

[static pond]

Damage go brrr

[humble token]

What did gunba do

[glass sleet]

Mauga crits through his block

[glass sleet]

He’s very strict I think

[sage holly]

Just gotta press hard on him

[dreamy cave]

Kai isn't even top 10dps

[humble token]

Oh

[errant hornet]

hitler

[junior radish]

there's a lot of stuff going around about him

[errant hornet]

apparantly

[tidal marsh]

i dont see there being such a substanial change in the meta, unless blizz decides to chuck a massive wrench in at the start of season 10

[humble token]

Fr

[glass sleet]

Hydron spoke about him and some things that happened but I genuinely don’t know who’s lying between the two. I don’t even remember what they said

[errant hornet]

tbf Hydron isn't an angel either lmao

[glass sleet]

Isn’t the major in may?

[humble token]

Oh ye now I kinda rememberd

[junior radish]

apparently urged players to take adderall, lowkey racist, really late vod review, unsure how much of this is true

[errant hornet]

he was apart of that Andrew Tate pilled part of the scene if I remember too

idk about now but

[weary scarab]

easy win for twisted

too easy almost

like they didnt try

[glass sleet]

You’re late lol

[glass sleet]

Oh no they tried

[tidal marsh]

shocking bait ngl dude

[junior radish]

na is starting

[glass sleet]

Lol

[errant hornet]

game was getting close towards the end tbh

kinda wish it was longer

[static pond]

He’s baiting

[weary scarab]

4:1

[static pond]

Y’all falling for it

[glass sleet]

Yeah he’s baiting

[errant hornet]

the soj tracer mirror is way more fun to watch as well

[tidal marsh]

i didnt!!!

[glass sleet]

Nah we just messing with him

[junior radish]

bro i cant keep up with cdl and owcs at the same time

[tidal marsh]

gimme my props

[weary scarab]

4:1 absolutely destroyed on first 3 maps

[static pond]

Cdl more interesting

[junior radish]

its a bunch of bangers today for both

[glass sleet]

I like Seicoe

[quasi nest]

holy

[tidal marsh]

thats my goat

[glass sleet]

He’s so underrated

[humble token]

WOW

[static pond]

Faze vs optic so good

[junior radish]

sad that seicoe never got a big chance in owl

[static pond]

He did I think

[weary scarab]

🤟

[junior radish]

he was on a couple teams but he never was a starter

[tidal marsh]

stuck in Excelsior Jail smh

[glass sleet]

Yeah but also, dude is in military rn so the fact he can only play on the weekends and still perform so well is cool

[junior radish]

i think hes out of military

[weary scarab]

i think overwatch should be run on saudi e league tb

h

[humble token]

Has anyone ever gotten better stats than this

[errant hornet]

least annoying twisted fan:

[glass sleet]

Idk. I just saw that on IG’s account

[tidal marsh]

I think seicoe is out of the military

[glass sleet]

THANKS! 🙂

I try to be nice

[errant hornet]

ur chill

:3

[weary scarab]

i feel like twisted would of won if they didnt have headphones too

[glass sleet]

He’s been out. Dude has been in the military for weeks since group stage I think

[glass sleet]

Ty

Wish I had some carrots and some onions rn

[wicked elk]

that’s ultimate glazing

[tidal marsh]

whats everyone's pred's on the M80 - Timeless Game??

[glass sleet]

Dude ignore him

[weary scarab]

glazing is good if its for a based country

[glass sleet]

3-2 timeless I’m hoping

[tidal marsh]

honestly, i've got 3-1 timeless

[dreamy cave]

I'm down to vote for merit

[static pond]

Shhh

[glass sleet]

TIMELESS

a bunch of underdogs

[weary scarab]

wait does they have player of the tournament?

for this

[glass sleet]

They’ve beaten m80 before you know

[static pond]

Again

M80 is on ping

Beating a team on ping Ist something you should be proud of lol

[errant hornet]

uhhh yeah but

tbh m80 hasn't look the most cohesive either

despite ping

[static pond]

They haven’t practice ether

[tidal marsh]

man i'm acc loving OWCS, i've missed a tonne of Japan, Korea and Pacific However been catching most of the NA EU Games so im chilling

[static pond]

They got picked up 20mins before the closing

[errant hornet]

well sure but a team with less practice is still a worse team in the moment of losing

tbf

and yes m80 has looked much better week after week I wont disagree

but I would say thats the team improving and getting better

[tidal marsh]

i still love the rostermania which happened at the start of the NA Open Quals

[errant hornet]

that shit was like every man for himself

[glass sleet]

Wait what? How are they on push already?

Oh

I’m stupid nvm

[tidal marsh]

ILLIOS MAP

YES

tm stole illios from me

finally it's happening

[humble token]

Why is spectra not playing

[static pond]

He’s on ping

He can not play@

How do y’all not know this lol

[humble token]

I dont watch na

[static pond]

It been said in here

[humble token]

Have they tried him?

[static pond]

I JIST SAID IT TOO

IF YOU SCROLL UP

[tidal marsh]

hawk still mauga pilled

[humble token]

Fair

[humble token]

Blue pill

[errant hornet]

damn M80 on the actual cancer patient comp

[humble token]

Not even tm startade with it

[wicked elk]

they needed to swap monke

[errant hornet]

yeah

[dreamy cave]

It actually hurts seeing hawk like this. I like hawk as a player

[static pond]

Don’t forget they have gator as coach

There 4v5 like very match

[errant hornet]

I usually forget

[dreamy cave]

They do? That's good

[static pond]

….

[sullen berry]

https://youtu.be/zqFrDRRAHcI?si=KcxPy-Jfbpp4B0Kt

[dreamy cave]

I thought after last year he would have quit overwatch all together after he was getting alot of hate and backlash

[humble token]

Who is best team in Japan i dont watch

[static pond]

There World Cup team

[junior radish]

why is pelican on soj

[junior radish]

varrel

[static pond]

Because they don’t have a hit scan

[junior radish]

the japan region is secretly a money laundering scheme from a blizzard exec to varrel

[junior radish]

hydron is like

THE na hitscan??

[static pond]

They don’t have a hit scan

[junior radish]

what

hydron is a hitscan player

[static pond]

They don’t have a hit scan

[errant hornet]

tbh I would rather have seeker than hydron

[humble token]

Some in japan are playing illari and lifeweaver anording to that vid

[static pond]

In other words

He not good

[humble token]

I would rather have seeker than kai

[junior radish]

NO WAY LOL

[errant hornet]

nah Kai is p solid

[junior radish]

i said in chat that pelican is on ping from korea

and someone said "vpn?"

[static pond]

In other words

[junior radish]

what is the logic

[errant hornet]

kai and seeker are pretty close

[static pond]

He went 0-5 against lip

[errant hornet]

in skill

imo

[static pond]

Seeker better imo

[errant hornet]

thats not a crazy opinion

I think seeker has more potential

fs

but esp recently it could be a product of the team but

[wicked elk]

pelican is nerfed

[errant hornet]

he kinda didn't look amazing and played pretty timid

[wicked elk]

get bro off ping

[junior radish]

poor seeker

[static pond]

If you watch owl

Seeker did more then hydron

[junior radish]

he hasnt had an opportunity to shine on ANY tier 1 team

[glass sleet]

Tank asked me to post this so

[errant hornet]

I dont disagree but tbf Seeker was shining on a worse team as well

[junior radish]

he got benched on boston

[dreamy cave]

A bit late. But I wanted to show off the soljorn diff from the last grands

[errant hornet]

and Toronto just disapointment maxxed

[junior radish]

he was on 2023 valiant

[static pond]

Ya but hydron has spectra

[junior radish]

he did well in flash ops but thats only flash ops

[static pond]

He still didn’t shine

[junior radish]

and then he was on wd40 which was a bit of a train wreck

[errant hornet]

yeah true but

[glass sleet]

170 elims is crazy

[errant hornet]

Toronto I think was more of a team culture and everything else diff

at the same time

[humble token]

How do you know this

[errant hornet]

idk if ANY player would look good there ever

[junior radish]

there was no real player leadership on toronto

[static pond]

I watch owl

[junior radish]

which was a problem because it was more of a "player-led" team

[errant hornet]

the American Tornado circle of dick sucking just wasn't very good in the end

[glass sleet]

…huh

[junior radish]

at should've stayed apart

[errant hornet]

yeah

[junior radish]

they all did well on their own in s5

[humble token]

I thougth u meant actuall 1v1

[static pond]

They did

[errant hornet]

they also shouldn't have N-word maxxed

especially Ojee

[static pond]

They were widow

[errant hornet]

that guy was a menace

[glass sleet]

Ooooh nice shots hydron

Sorry I missed the whole game

[errant hornet]

Hydron also has a consistency issue

[junior radish]

wonder what would've happened if reiner didnt take a break before s6

[fast tusk]

why isnt uber casting? did i miss something?

[errant hornet]

he goes from looking solid to being afk VERY often

[humble token]

Oh

[wicked elk]

his peaks are quite high

[errant hornet]

like Hydron is one of the most streaky players

[wicked elk]

But overall he’s a below average player

[static pond]

That also Kai

Seeker been consistent even on bad teams

[junior radish]

toronto would've looked better most likely, reiner's a leader figure afaik

[errant hornet]

yes but tbh I think kai has looked more consistent

like I think kai's lows are higher than hydron lows

[dreamy cave]

Real

[static pond]

He wash up after one month

[junior radish]

apparently he threw temper tantrums in the owl discord server in the dev feedback channel about the state of the game and stuff LMAO

[glass sleet]

HOW DOES karq have a house already

[errant hornet]

thats also not suprising

LMFAO

don't they all think they are like in game einstein

[wicked elk]

kai>seeker>hydron

[errant hornet]

nah

[glass sleet]

How dare you

[static pond]

He was dealing with mental issues

[errant hornet]

I think kai = seeker > hydron

[static pond]

Seeker is better then Kai imo

[dreamy cave]

Kai <hydron< seeker

[errant hornet]

seeker is defo more consistent

[glass sleet]

M80 picking hydron over seeker is weird

[static pond]

Did y’all see him on glads

[dreamy cave]

I did

[humble token]

I would say kai=hydron<seeker

[dreamy cave]

I was there when he was on atlanta Rob

[errant hornet]

tbf Glads is where talent went to die

minus kevster

[static pond]

He was good on atl

Ass on glads

[glass sleet]

I can’t say

[errant hornet]

I mean most ppl looked ass on glads in the end

ngl

[glass sleet]

I’ve never seen Kai play before owcs

[errant hornet]

that team had some ISSUES

[dreamy cave]

He peaked and quickly fell off after a seasons final

[static pond]

Not kev

[errant hornet]

thats the exception

Kevster was on the permaboosting Glads arc

[static pond]

Ngl atl needed help

[errant hornet]

even Funnyastro looked a bit meh on Glads

[static pond]

When they were in owl

[errant hornet]

and Funnyastro is VERY good

[dreamy cave]

We needed not kai

[static pond]

You needed not gator

[dreamy cave]

After we got rid of kai, we went to one of the best teams going into finals

[errant hornet]

well you also got Chiyo Fielder

[dreamy cave]

And Stalker lip

[errant hornet]

Chiyo Fielder is very hard to look bad with

[static pond]

Ya but gator as a coach

[errant hornet]

yeah and stalker lip

in a fucking sombra meta for half the season at that

[static pond]

Gator was also to sacred

[wicked elk]

how did atlanta fumble so hard

[static pond]

Of his own players

[wicked elk]

was it a coach diff?

[dreamy cave]

Say what you want, gator got them there, and they lost to London, who was admittedly very difficult for alot of teams to prep against.

[errant hornet]

London went from shit to remembering they one trick rein

[static pond]

Gator

He let the players get there way

[dreamy cave]

Plus the sombra change made lip not able to play his best character

[static pond]

Without putting his foot down@

[static pond]

He a s tier hs

[wicked elk]

Lip is still a top2 dps

[errant hornet]

yeah idk if u can say "but the meta chagned"

[wicked elk]

Without sombra

[errant hornet]

if u cannot adapt to meta change like

thats ur fault

Lip is not a sombra otpp either

[dreamy cave]

But you can't say that the sombra change made the sombra clmeta comps they were running to get to finals alot harder for lip to have to adapt

[static pond]

He did not lol wizard got them there

Then he left

And atl went downhill

Wizard was the one pretty much doing the heavy lifting

[dreamy cave]

When did wizard leave the choach position?

[static pond]

He a very good analyzer

[errant hornet]

so sppeaking of lip

m80 is looking good rn!

[static pond]

Soon after the first tournament they won

Actually idk

[dreamy cave]

The first tournament in stage one?

[static pond]

There was two

Which one are we talking about?

[errant hornet]

winston

[dreamy cave]

Idk, I'm asking you.

[static pond]

Mid season madness was the first

After that

[dreamy cave]

Ohhh

[static pond]

He was also the brains behind nyxl before

[wicked elk]

chopper fucking sold

what was that lmao

[static pond]

During season 1

[wicked elk]

he had full rail and led with primary

On a still target

who he flanked

[dreamy cave]

I still want to say he did a good job. I'm not saying he was a amazing coach. That was gators first time in a coach position if I remember correctly. (Sure you could say he didn't have to coach much a team stacked as atl. But there were alot of factors into why they fell out of finals. Not just solely him

[static pond]

Tbh most could have been fix if he put his foot down

There was other factors tho

[dreamy cave]

Perhaps. I can agree to that

[static pond]

Not having a vet tank

Sucks tho Donghak looks better on yeti

I hope he happy now

[dreamy cave]

I do feel as though donghak played very well. Through everything. Hawk just needed to step up and be someone they could actually swap in to play something in specialty

[static pond]

Towards grand finals tho

Lip was deeper

Depressed

[wicked elk]

chopper killed hydron right before beat

that was huge

[dreamy cave]

Why?

Actually I think I remember hearing that

[static pond]

No one knows

He expected to win mvp tho

[dreamy cave]

Yeah I agree

[wicked elk]

m80 got full held

[static pond]

Even after getting his shit robbed from leave

[dreamy cave]

He just couldn't adapt to sombra change fast enough and you could tell

[static pond]

It wast that

[dreamy cave]

Tbh. I always, always, always knee that Florida was a really good team.

[static pond]

Gator might have force dive

[dreamy cave]

He might have, but if you have the at the time best tracer and sombra. And a whinston main, what else do you run?

[static pond]

Hawk

Lip soj

Stalker genji

[dreamy cave]

Genji was out of the meta then wasn't he

I would have had hawk study and put time in on ramatra, d.va

[static pond]

Hawk can play those

It because chiyo

Refuse to play with him

[dreamy cave]

Wym? Was there actually beef?

[static pond]

Genji was kinda there on certain maps

Uh well

He just wanted to play with a kr lol

Not a English speaker

[dreamy cave]

Ooohh

[static pond]

Chiyo was a dva tho

Apparently

[dreamy cave]

Should have been making g him study some English

[static pond]

As far as ik

Chiyo was a big problem@

He bullied the tank

And refuse to play with hawk

[dreamy cave]

Donghak??

[static pond]

Ya

[dreamy cave]

Bruh

[static pond]

He compare to him to fearless

Saying how he not fearless and such

Apparently it was also other players that refuses to talk to hak

[dreamy cave]

Maybe fielder

[static pond]

Gator said the team

But I don’t lip is like that

[dreamy cave]

Nah, lip wouldn't be like that

[static pond]

Idk about fielder he gives off quiet person vibes

Also doesn’t help chiyo made a stream saying how Donghak was late to practice and shit

[dreamy cave]

But fielder is the only person that plays supp with chiyo now. I wouldnt be surprised if they were enabling each other

[static pond]

And wast trying to improve

But there was also where donghak I forgot where this is from he texted someone saying that

“I keep practicing and trying to improve tanks but they keep giving me shit”

Something like that

[dreamy cave]

That's disgusting

[static pond]

And apparently he didn’t talk to anyone

Like he use to sit alone or not talk to anyone

Well@

Not him

[dreamy cave]

Donghak is out of the current leauge right?

[static pond]

They refuse to talk to him

The other players

Be in yeti

He*

With fleta and fate as coaches

[dreamy cave]

That dosnt sound like hawk

[static pond]

I’m assuming hawk tried

But he a English speaker

[dreamy cave]

Yeah

[static pond]

Plus he was scriming with kr mostly

If you don’t know@

[dreamy cave]

But you see what I mean by there being alot of reasons on why they were falling apart in their later matches?? I didn't even know about some of this.

[static pond]

Outside of scrims teams like support and dps play with each other

When they stream builds up teamwork

[dreamy cave]

Yeah

Helps build cohesiveness

[static pond]

Synergy

That why fleta and lip were so good

They had huge synergy

To a point where apparently they didt have to talk to each other sometimes

[dreamy cave]

Yeah, fleta was pretty good on dragons now that I think back

[wicked elk]

timeless vs toronto for finals

this will be good

last time they played was 3-2

[dreamy cave]

Toronto wins this 4-2

[glass sleet]

Anyone else fps dropping?

[dreamy cave]

I'm not even watching, I'm listening

[glass sleet]

Lol sorry I meant in game. I’m not getting stutters. Just watching the frames drop from 165 to 120 ish

[robust patio]

Tf shit Tf WEAK

[glass sleet]

TIMELESS!

[wicked elk]

merit is insane

[ruby river]

real

[glass sleet]

Wouldn’t it be cool if the top teams of this year got their own skins? Ow can sell them and get a %

And they can also increase the prize pool for next year by doing that

[static pond]

i heard they might do something like tht

they be these skins tht go to the prize pool

[glass sleet]

I mean like OWL, OWWC, and OWCS style

[static pond]

ya

[glass sleet]

A twisted mind skin would be so cool

[static pond]

tht what i heard

[glass sleet]

Toronto already has skins lol

[glass sleet]

I hope so

[static pond]

thye just have ksa on it tbh

[glass sleet]

What?

A KSA skin?

[static pond]

twisted minds is ksa i think

[glass sleet]

It’s a Saudi org but I don’t think they’d make the design based on KSA.

That’d be weird

[ruby river]

seonjun redemption

[static pond]

have u seen tf

[glass sleet]

Wdym? They played great yesterday

[static pond]

jerserys

[glass sleet]

What about it?

[ruby river]

I mean just from the last game 😭

[glass sleet]

I missed first map

[ruby river]

Ahh merit was just cleaning up all game

[glass sleet]

Wait…wasn’t it chopper last map?

[ruby river]

omg I’m so dumb yeah

[glass sleet]

XD

[ruby river]

nvm 💀

[glass sleet]

Yeah they both play soj

[ruby river]

Everyone playing soj atp

[glass sleet]

Seeing Rokit dying to his own pulse bomb makes me feel good about me doing it too

[ruby river]

dying to own pulse is meta confirmed

[glass sleet]

I think Rokit might be a better tracer than Lenny

[ruby river]

Agreed

I think Merit just diffing too hard on the soj that it doesn’t even matter rn

and someone being someone as usual

[dreamy cave]

I said it would be a 4-2 for Toronto but I'll take a 4-0 as well

[ruby river]

nah toronto winning this one trust

timeless push 4m Toronto push all the way watch

[dreamy cave]

Okay I'll watch.

Just know when your wrong, I'm going to need answers, not copeium

[ruby river]

ok I may have underestimated the doom on push

[glass sleet]

Wish I had the contenders skin for tracer. I’d probably use that the most. I like green and black

Dude I’m so impressed with timeless

[ruby river]

real where did this come from

[glass sleet]

I wish them the best honestly

[glass sleet]

Fr! I genuinely thought after everyone leaving timeless after flash ops would make it a bad team but I’m so wrong

[sullen berry]

!jumbo

[sullen berry]

Because unlike falcons

Varrel are undefeated in their region

[ruby river]

Yeah they’ve been playing really well, even in this series

[dreamy cave]

So...

What happened

[wicked elk]

not a single map?

[ruby river]

called it

[sullen berry]

No, not a golden stage. But extremely close

[wicked elk]

they ain’t won yet

[glass sleet]

A 4-0?

[ruby river]

the map I meant 🤞

[wicked elk]

oh

[sullen berry]

If you compare them head to head with wac, varrel has slightly more map wins than wac

[dreamy cave]

Full of cap

[wicked elk]

is anyone map less

[sullen berry]

San Francisco Shock season 2 seage 2 is the only one to ever do it afaik

O2 Blast has had something to that effect in 2022-2023

[wicked elk]

owcs probably won’t ever see a map less run

it’s nearly impossible

[dreamy cave]

Didn't titans almost make it mapless??

[unique root]

wac has been close

only dropped 2 maps i think

[wicked elk]

if mauga meta never happened falcons could’ve gone mapless

[sullen berry]

The point is with perfect stages with 0 maps is absurd, you start to suspect them of match fixing. Even if they were legit that good, not enough would want to watch a guaranteed stomper

See also: South America Contenders

dominated by one team but would do terribly agaibst international teams

[glass sleet]

Is timeless an org?

[wicked elk]

rokit tracer is crazy good

top 3 NA

[junior radish]

yea

[glass sleet]

I love his tracer. I definitely think it’s better than sugarfree’s

[dreamy cave]

Their a group of friends

[junior radish]

no lol?

its an org

[glass sleet]

Which is it

[junior radish]

org

[wicked elk]

it’s too bad that he’s pretty much a tracer otp

[junior radish]

https://twitter.com/Timeless_OW

Timeless (@Timeless_OW) on X

Breaking the limits of time. | Competing in @ow_esports | Partnered with @ViteRamen & @TMLObsidian | Keychains available below | #ShatteredTime⏳

Twitter

[glass sleet]

A proper org? Like m80, defiant?

[junior radish]

partnered with vite ramen

and they give their players money

[junior radish]

they're a smaller org

js overwatch

but an org nonetheless

[dreamy cave]

I was joking

[glass sleet]

Good for them

[junior radish]

they got i think all their players from wisp by giving them offers that they would be stupid to refuse

that's what i've heard

[glass sleet]

Opener was from defiant

[junior radish]

i think wisp had that roster already lined up for owcs

[glass sleet]

I remember people use to call him a fraud

[junior radish]

im talking abt the offseason between owl and owcs

[glass sleet]

Oh then idk

Poor wisp

[dreamy cave]

Opener is more consistent than kai

[glass sleet]

Leave Kai alone lol

[dreamy cave]

Ight that's my last diss

[junior radish]

https://x.com/Ry30_GG/status/1770991518645469288?s=20

Tony (@Ry30_GG) on X

@Crusader_ez @BallSackEsport timeless offered their players deals they couldn't and shouldn't ever refuse about a week before roster lock for owcs which caused wisp to shut down for who knows how long

its not bad its one of those things twt just super uppity about

Twitter · Mar 22, 2024, 1:50 AM

[dreamy cave]

That's snakey asf

[junior radish]

yea but i think wisp will find another team probably

kinda sad because they had played with that core for a while

[dreamy cave]

Hopefully. But business is business

[weak frost]

missed ence Vs tm live again😭

gunba got coach gapped by a team with no coach

actually mind boggling team comp choices by ence

[wicked elk]

timeless is getting demolished

[junior radish]

wait is this actually the first time defiant's played a first to 4

[dreamy cave]

No? I dont think so

[wicked elk]

Poor chopper

[dreamy cave]

Gg

[junior radish]

gg

[wicked elk]

ggs

[junior radish]

can optic bring it back in cdl

so i can watch a good finals match

[wicked elk]

That was hard to watch

[junior radish]

3-1 faze rn and they're on snd

[glass sleet]

Ggs

[junior radish]

rough

[wicked elk]

timeless did so much better against toronto last time

That was disappointing

[glass sleet]

Tbh I don’t blame the players for going to timeless but you now it’s unfortunate for wisp

[unique root]

i mean didnt they just play a match before this too though

having to play two matches in a row like that is tiring

[glass sleet]

That’s how they do it. Twisted had to play two games too

[unique root]

well yeah i know thats how they do it

[junior radish]

yeah its hard to find any salary in this ecosystem nowadays so that's fair

[unique root]

im just saying its not great

[junior radish]

if we get to see mer1t v quartz at dallas

oh my lord

that'll be a banger

[glass sleet]

That’s why I understand why funnyastro wants people to start streaming their scrims. It’s just another way to make money in their profession

[dreamy cave]

Real

[junior radish]

there's a whole eu mafia trying to get people to stream scrims

[wicked elk]

twisted minds vs defiant will be the best match in the series

It’s gonna be so close

[glass sleet]

And who won? The team that didn’t stream scrims in EU

[junior radish]

i'd argue maybe wac vs defiant?

[glass sleet]

What about the Korean teams

[glass sleet]

You think defiant is better than falcons?

[junior radish]

hm

[wicked elk]

nothing with falcons is exciting

[junior radish]

idk

well the thing is

we've seen falcons play wac

and wac won close i think

[glass sleet]

Wdym

[glass sleet]

3–1

[unique root]

wac falcons was exciting wdym nothing

[junior radish]

leonard

time

[wicked elk]

i can’t be excited when falcons play

[glass sleet]

The 4 teams to win the whole thing? Defiant, twisted, wac, and falcons

[glass sleet]

Why not? What’s the reason?

[wicked elk]

they are too favored

A super team

[glass sleet]

That lost to wac

Wac currently are clearly better

[unique root]

i mean its still fun to watch them play the game because theyre good at it i think

[dreamy cave]

The matches were still pretty close.

[glass sleet]

Korea has two stacked teams full of all stars

[glass sleet]

Some were

It was still 3-1

[dreamy cave]

Falcons can go practice in the hyperbolic time chamber and come back as a better team and it would be believable

[unique root]

3-1 doesnt mean its a huge margin though imo

like most of the maps were rly close

[glass sleet]

The game showed that wac were just better

Even on dive

Junbin was just better than Smurf on winton

[dreamy cave]

There will be other metas

[unique root]

idk i think they just played better its not end all be all

[glass sleet]

It better be dive cuz it’s not the best for them to be anything else

[unique root]

and i am a wac fan but to say that in an absolute way is a little silly

[glass sleet]

Wac would win again tbh

If they played rn

Their wins were just very convincing

[dreamy cave]

Your probably right, but that's not the point

[glass sleet]

The point is hopefully the meta changes before they play again?

[dreamy cave]

The point is that they can match them, sure not right now this moment. But after a week? 2 weeks? After a meta shift? After a balance patch? It's not that clear cut.

[glass sleet]

The game I wanna see is FTG v Defiant

I wanna see Bernar get his run back against someone

[glass sleet]

True

[robust patio]

[weak frost]

no shit metas and balance patches define match outcomes but in this current meta falcons are just worse lol

just like if owwc was dive meta Korea would've won without dropping a map

but that's irrelevant because it wasn't

[sullen berry]

Japan highlights in a nutshell - a good illari, clutch arise project reaper ult and the backcap of all time https://youtu.be/zqFrDRRAHcI?si=umEkUcUhzoYhqH9B&t=152

[merry mural]

any tips on how to get teamates with higher iq amount then 1?

[bitter marlin]

step 1) dont be on your own team

its all about average and you dont want to tank the average down

[keen abyss]

esperanca

[merry mural]

all games i have the highest game saves, stats its just my teamates who cant do their work properly and then blame the entire team

for example i get dps moiras with 4k dps 2k healings, tank who cry for heals while he pushes alone, dps who has less dps then the enemy healers

its just hard to play this way

im hard stuck gold because of my teamates

[bitter marlin]

there's ur problem. your looking at stats to much and put everything on your team, not wondering wenether perhaps there is something you could have done to set em up for succes or not. you need to comunicate with your team and learn if perhaps you need some playstyle adjustments. Sometimes its better for you to go in and dps or pocked someone who carrys then to just evenly heal everyone.

and in the end, the question is rather stupid. you have 0 say in who the game puts with you. obviously your only option for finding other team mates is to make a group. are you asking us how to make friends?

[merry mural]

i do try to set up games for them for example finding the perfect time to use kiriko ult/moira ult/kiriko orb to save the game/junker queen ult to take the problem out

[bitter marlin]

the question seemed much more of a vent/cope then a legit question

[merry mural]

but my teamates are just underwhelming

i cant communicate im muted ingame

i try communicating by ingame comms and etc

[bitter marlin]

nothing more anoying then someone in gold trying to micromanage or tell me what to play or that i should swap because im trash

i started playing beter when i turned of my comms, a lot of low level comms are more hindering for teamwork

there is not enough teamplay in low level, so over investing in it just gona put your team off. at gold if you just play better you will win more then lose.

[merry mural]

ye like the zarya in my team that thinks shes the best and pushes the enemy team alone having no MIT crying for heals from both healers then having 1k more damage then enemy zarya while the healers and dps have twice the damage from the enemy team and the zarya says "tank diff" like she did anything

[merry mural]

i get teamates who play from 2 accounts at the same time in the same game bro. thats aint my fault

those are the typa teamates i get

and i lose elo for nothing

[bitter marlin]

doesnt matter. everyone gets those in all ranks

nobody who plays solo gets to pick

[merry mural]

ye

[bitter marlin]

find a team or learn to carry

[merry mural]

thats the problem i dont have any teamates

[bitter marlin]

u dont need advice, u need to meet people or pickup players you do sync with

[merry mural]

i do carry when my team is bad i land some crazy kiriko headshots and take out enemy squishies and its just not enough since my team dont do anything

[merry mural]

ye idk how to find those tho

thats why i joined the server

[bitter marlin]

wel

what you mean to say is "looking for a group of players to play with". leading that question with a monologue about how terrible teams are and how nothing is your fault is probly the worst way to ever find people.

[merry mural]

im not saying im not doing mistakes

sometimes i get good teamates but 1 teamate who sells

i do make mistakes in my games and i can find where and what i did wrong in my games and learning from it

[bitter marlin]

and im saying focusing on this is not gona make anyone wanna play with you

[merry mural]

again i know im not the best but i also know i deserve an higher rank and to queue with better players

[bitter marlin]

yea, join the club

this means nothing to potentional team mates