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Announcing The fresh OWCS EU Roster
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The announcement said that shes a special guest
so it could be that its just an one day/event thing
i hope that theyll extend that
NA player cant talk
for now it seems
I’m making my own league, dm if interested
Was hoping a follow up post later today that KDP was back
Kongdoo anything was prime APEX
Kongdoo Panthera is great
so now we have Kongdoo and Runaway return
were only missing Lunatic Hai and GC Busan for the Prime 4 of
OW APEX
They may as well
??
They can do that?
BREAKING: Hector ‘H3CZ’ Rodriquez and Scump of OpTic, along with other CDL owner groups, have filed a lawsuit against Activision for its monopoly over the Call of Duty League
First reported by Bloomberg Law https://t.co/ZICqEN34Sd
can anyone find any ArK mercy gameplay povs from when he was on nyxl?
bc i cant
not even him on anything tbh
theres tons of jjonak
and no arK
missing twilight and stitch...
HAKSAL BUMPER RYU SLIME
NO WAE
ITS LUNATIC HAI X RUNAWAY
shame Asia only gets two slots and wac and falcons already have them reserved
Okay so we learn something new Activision sign to YouTube/google because google offered price discount deals on google cloud well using google cloud services
And idk if this applies to owl teams before but apparently in the cod scene they had to give Activision 50 percent of ticket sales, sponsorships other revenue streams
is that the dynasty server?
Is there any news about viol2t and fearless?
OK ty
Is fearless going to find a team?
I mean talent wise he obviously should but not much time left
this is the last day to sign up for KR
Its more likely that he will get signed to a NA or saudi team
Introducing the new 『MAP VETO PROCESS』!
✅ What is the MAP VETO PROCESS?
- A new map <pick/ban format>, where each team will ban and pick the maps to be used in a match.
This new MAP VETO PROCESS will be implemented in OWCS ASIA to spice up your viewing experience 😎 🔥
Kind of a meh roster for the support goat
Alr thanks 🙏
He’s going for NA EU
@LittleKnightG deadline is up so unless he’s playing in na or eu it’s over for this season
I play kiriko mercy and lucio can someone tell me who is the main or flex support I'm getting so many different answers and idk who is right
Can someone help me understand
Main support are Lucio and brig for example and flex supports are Ana, bab. Flex support is the one who does most the healing basically.
Flex: Bap, Ana, Illari, Kiriko, Zen,
Main supp: Mercy, Lucio, Brig, (Lifeweaver?)
I think LW is flex cuz all he does is heal
Yes
The MS are defined by their ability to get value without really good aim
I mean Lucio seems like a mechanically heavy support
Corrected
Hm, that’s just sounds weird to me idk
Yes, Lucio is mechanically heavy, but his main value is speed
I’ve always thought main supports are those that provide value outside of healing
Yes, I think that's a good way to look at it
Healing and damage, that is
Since zen's value is more heavy on damage
Both through his primary fire and discord orb
Since he does a lot of damage, he counts as a fs?
I don't know the exact reasons for their categorizations like that but having been involved in the scrim scene and watched pro play etc. it is very clear that those are how the heroes are categorized
And what I said is what I've either heard or noticed as the connecting factors
Supports can also be categorized by sheer healing, but that categorization doesnt work as well for scrimming, but probably better for comp players
Main and off heals
Main heal is ana, bap, LW, Kiri
I think that’s just confusing since we already use main for another type
No
People in my game already don’t know what’s main and what’s flex
Neither do I
Or know enough about high level play in genersl
I get yelled yesterday. They said “can you go main support?” And I was on Lucio
Yes, that's just someone being confused
Yeah
Main supp and main heal are very different
I’ve never heard anyone use main heal term before ngl
Interesting
Yeah that's what most comp players should be interested in tbh
Since in comp you usually get the best value with 1 main heal and 1 off heal
I think they should just learn what pros use for terms
Problem: they're not interested enough to learn
Like bab Lucio? I’d just say that’s FS and MS lol
Bap and lucio is both a main heal off heal and a flex supp main supp duo
It's two different ways of categorizing the heroes for different purposes
One is just for 'oh, is this character picked for high healing or not'
And the other one stems from the nature of high level competition
One for high healing and one for utility
She’s mainly used for her blue beam
Glad I do. Thought I wouldn’t lol
I'mma dm you a full list of which of either each hero is rq
Cool
Thx veskari one more question I knew kiriko was different from Marcy and Lucio so is Mary and Lucio main support because they both have AoE healing and marcy and Lucio are kinda the same sense they can switch from healing to damage buff or speed boost
yeah i said that
It's easy to play Marcy but how should I play Lucio the only time I speed boost is at the start of the game and the rest is healing throughout the match
And is kiriko flex because she does more damage but less healing Marcy dose less damage and more healing and Lucio is in the middle
I need all these questions to be asked because I've been hard stuck bronze 5 since season 1 of overwatch 2
Ye
does anyone know how the nwe ranked system works?
Have any of the inaugural season players come out of retirement for OWCS?
That's a lot of dps
unpopular opinion probe was good
Is poker a real org or just a name?
Org
There in contenders
Have a team house too and staff
peppi sounds familiar but idk why
im assuming he's good since he's on this team anyways
but compared to the other teams out there
poker face is kinda ass...
Good for them
OWCS New Team Source
Team name:미정
Coach:YangWon
DPS:Haksal,Dohyeon
Tank:Bumper
Sup:RyuJehong,Slime
maybe on new patch
that was outdated ow1 thinking pre-s9
she was insane at giving a dps insane uptime and be able to hard greed positioning with the high amount of consistent healing she could give with no downside
blue beam is a nice cherry on top but imo her main value comes from making 1 dps a raid boss
That'd be such a wild throwback to see in 2024
will there be more skins put in the store or is this soldier skin the last one
just curious if they have released any info on it
i have an idea owl skins
:o
i only remember flora
return of our king bumper
our feeding plat rein
BUMPER
🗣🗣🔥🔥
Is kailos a mt/ot hybrid?
Twitter: https://twitter.com/feedjaegon
Sorry for the delay, had some personal stuff that I had to tend to.
The ending has me dying bro really okay no play and left mid game
literally just their 2023 roster lmao
its not bad but kinda funny
Ah
nooooooo
haksal will clear falcons
It was invetible both Choi and Void have military although void got an extension but im assuming he has to do it now
a bit late
Finally know what team Kevster is on
How do I sign up for a ow team
Is it like have a team already or actually try out for one while people spectate?
obviously none of the fraudcons had to deal with peak bumper
Bumper go ham
Lf anyone in needing a team to join
Yes, you'll need to tryout for an existing team (or make your own but that's not exactly realistic)
You can find teams by getting the "team recruitment" role from id:customize
yznsa best player ?
bait or stupidity
they are legit a top 4 team in owcs asia
yznsa best pedophile ?
5th tops
yo can pc play ranked with console?
I think I’m in the wrong rank…
As Moira:
Kills: 51 (highest in game by 9)
Deaths: 3 (third lowest)
So uh Yh
!!shitposting
Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
Wait what
This is not the channel to post about ranked stats my guy
Alrighty roo
more well balanced than ftg
Who's gonna tell him
moira is a support hero right
supposed to be
why did we hype up runaway but boo pokerface in esports announcements
Any team need a tank?
You can find teams by getting the "team recruitment" role from 'Channels & Roles' at the top of the discord
There are separate channels for that
What
im so excited to see team yeti play in owcs. such a young roster
Because it’s hard to get roster announcements
And figue out teams when most don’t even have a org
Or tht much resources
I'm interested on how max is gonna perform
I think owcs is gonna allow people to prove themselves in a situation better than owl
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what yall think of the new esports formaat with the OWCS
Uh the swiss opens is kinda crazy
Just bc how many teams there are so people might just get snubbed bc of tht format
falcon winning dreamhack
But just scrims and most likely testing out comps wag running ball
Because apparently rn it ball, Winston and dva
Are getting scrim
Even in the west too
From what I watched the only team to play rush into the ball or winton is spraycheck
Other than that it's dva or ball mirror
Hi, I don't know if this is the correct channel to ask, but I wanna know if there's a team that is looking for a support, I'm looking for a team to play rankeds and tournaments:DD
Yap, Yapping and Yapper are slang terms of the verb "to yap" whch means to talk excessively with little substance. The concept of yapping or someone yapping
So random thing it looks like team falcon making move is cs2 and rocket league picking up some very known players
In rocket league they actually have a local roster and have been involved in the t1 scene for some time but in cs and overwatch yeah
In cs2 they bought EU talent since its the top region and inserted a single ksa player in but he was holding them back so hard he got benched
Saudi wants to take over esports lol
I mean they have to money so why not
Does anyone know of owcs will be played on separate patches like owl or will it just be the normal live patch
I assume its the patch that is live at the beginning of x event
but i cant confirm
I hope so
You think?
They got ambitions
The Dongulan Offensive begins in the Gellert sector...engage in battle with the newest enemy faction, the 👽 Dongulan Fleet 👽 Please RESTART your game for the changes to take effect. Good luck Divers!
Zen will not be meta by time OWCS comes around (maybe fine on 3-4) maps. But hero is not optimal on 70% of map pool. Poor guy doesn’t need a nerf
So that's why they're scrimimg the echo Kiri rn
I'm here for the Kiri/Bap+mauga comps, it doesn't work but what's stopping the wild ones
Wow this server is dying https://twitter.com/ProfitOW/status/1759821810366140854?t=hYvwZSC8M73OaOZejXdKbw&s=19
Was thinking of making an #esports-news post with Fearless still fresh on my mind too, would anyone care enough to react if they're not free agents
yes
we will
make a post about the goat
just give me another 24 hours
I just want to make sure the people know it's not only two but possibly a third championship winning player is about to retire after 7+ years in esports
Super?
Super already retired
He's talking Abt like players retiring now
It could be anyone tbh a lot of great players haven't been seen on any rosters nor have they made announcements about regions they want to play in
Would you count Void or since he announced retirement then cake back on more year would that count
So old runaway
Close match
real nail biter
Ah
anyone plays apex legends?
no
This went about how I expected 💀
Who would've thought pros from 6 years ago would be dumpstered by active players
one team is almost due for the retirement home and the other is in the grave
I'm looking for another spicier retirement, Pelican was on discord so it's official from him privately, Fearless is out, profit profit'd and got out while he still can
I'll put my money on viol2t retiring after owcs too
what’s the best team rn
Most would say team falcon rn
But everyone is just scrimming and trying shit so who knows
well Pelican just said hes not participating this time not rlly a retirement
we already have Fate Profit and Fearless and im assuming Void is now doing military so maybe Bird Violet or one of the Dallas maybe
but it says active so idk

I think it's safe to say a lot of Korean pros from apex and the inaugural season are gonna stop soon
7+ years of overwatch would do tht to anyone and it doesn't help that owl probably killed their love for the esport just bc how shit the league was
Mandatory military strikes
Mathe either that or become a coach
🤓
.
does anyone know why some tournaments people stagger people and some tournaments they kill them?
is there rules for stagger or is it like unethical to stagger i dont get it
Fresh new information
Twilight and GangnamJin to enlist in the military.
It's mostly because some tournament rules say you can't stagger people
that is not a rule in any tournament
there is no rules
teams do it when needed
What scrims are you watching or playing??
Staggering is like a key part of high level play
Staggering can be crucial to winning a map especially in koth
i have see it happen in scrims what are you on about
In the scrima I've been in it wasn't allowed
The show is about to begin 🪄
👾OW returns to Twitch & YouTube
📅Broadcast schedules for all regions
🖥️2024 Co-Streaming apps 😍
📈!drops for Stage 1, including OWE Kiriko 🦊
Everything you need to know about this year's #OWCS broadcast, right here🔗 https://t.co/int5pofjpr
New colors are like gray and orange
Btw it on twitch and YouTube
Co screaming allowed on all platforms
She with riot
She is as a guest, working as freelance, she got a few offers tho
Tbh I don’t see her going back
Me neither, after how Blizz ditched everyone
If she offered a role in riot she prob take it
There friends there she knows and like just better consistently
She gotta take jobs as she have a baby and stuff, so gotta grab what she needs
Yup
plus esports venues are dry af as the bubble exploded
Co streams r back
thats nice
Yes
The show is about to begin 🪄
👾OW returns to Twitch & YouTube
📅Broadcast schedules for all regions
🖥️2024 Co-Streaming apps 😍
📈!drops for Stage 1, including OWE Kiriko 🦊
Everything you need to know about this year's #OWCS broadcast, right here🔗 https://t.co/int5pofjpr
Wrong link
But I love the new colors
they missed the oportunity to be Overwatch League 2
the incentives
It’s the old league colours plus WC
Just without the gold
I think
Probably trying to copy other esports names like LOL worlds and others
Overwatch Worlds
Profit on stream (translation)
: He won't have a plan to return as a player; however, he is still considering performing as a coaching staff (after he serves the military)
If he is ‘lucky’ enough to find a team that needs a coach, he’ll do until this year. (but maybe not)
For this is it only the OW official streams
Or can partners have drops too
Prob not
Figured
Seeing majed is still so funny
i hope this is the right place to ask. is anyone interested in a scrimmage against a high school OW esports team? we need just 1 more
I've asked on reddit and one other place and haven't gotten any responses. It will be tomorrow at 8pm central
Theres a designated lf-scrim channel for that

I used to pray for times like these
It is definitely going to be a downgrade imo
putting toyou on doomfist was a mistake vs runaway
Team falcon
poor jimmy
another L for poor jimmy
I mean what do you expect after the shy situation lol
wow
Rip the goat Jimmy
Jimmy fucked 
Wait…is that the World Cup winner Sirmajed? The one and only?
Why not
a
'
yesss
I only know 3 of them
I don’t speak the other languages
same
I watched most of last year lol
Last season of owl
but you should know a few of the korean casters
Eeeh I know a couple of faces but I have only seen them once so I don’t think it counts
Blizzard may be a broke
Blizzard isn't in charge of the talent
^
team falcons is the most diabolical lineup ive seen
all of those teams are stacked, but im particularly excited to see proper play
the more you know
They might win it all you know
rest in peppers titans
RAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
SOE
wait where is Danny
wtf
Bless
Although for kr I'm sad for avrl
GIGA FUCKING W
Only people I wish stayed are Custa and Danny
Is there a chance custa would be playing? Like maybe on a one off streamer team or something
wrong chat
Crusty always has a super team
She picked owcs let’s go
Also crusty without ninek gonna be interesting apparently he was the brains behind shock
Crusty has JunkBuck now
ye
Danny 
Nothing against rosemary but they couldn’t find anyone better…?
Nekkra
Tbh wouldn’t Dustin or lemonkiwi be better?
they’re existing caster duos I think
not lemon
i wish we could get more ex-pros as casters
You know anyone that is actually good?
Custa
Over nekkra
Any day
i feel like to reach the next level of casting it'd be good to have someone who actually understands the ins and outs of ow
at the highest level
So why is nekkra there?
ex coaches and maybe pros or igls
why are any of them there
Custa is great. Why isn’t he there? Cuz he lives in Australia?
Cuz the others are actually really good
who knows
People that watched owl
i feel like we havent seen really good yet
We know who’s good or not at this point lol
uberx is an iconic duo
but we've only seen people who've actually experienced the scene at its highest level cast once or twice
i wonder what it'd be like to see unter cast
with a little bit of training
Did Blizzard really do this to Hanzo? hs doesn't kill anymore?
will twisted minds field an entry for owcs or are they just gonna circlejerk in the saudi league 
i think they might play in emea
Supertf should cast NA
what's wrong with nekkra can't stand a woman caster in OW?
she is fine with jaws if you don't want to hear her mute the stream
more runaway victims i fear
I've got some signed shit from the Philly fusion, I think from after the inaugural season
a full size team poster and then two index card ish sized rosters, all three signed by all the members of the team
y'all think they worth anything?
Why are you acting like its the hottest take in the world lol
nekkra doesnt have deep understanding of the game and her analysis is pretty much on the level of "x has x ult, x swapped to x"
Because if it was any other person who was a man they wouldn't say anything
The other casters have better understanding of the game yes.
she is positive ig but thats rly the only thing she has going for her
there are way better hypemen and analysts
Tbf to be a color caster you don't really need that big of an understanding like if you have a simple understanding it's fine and this is coming from an ex color caster
Yeah im not throwing my monitor out of the window every time theres shallow casting but its just my preference
I also didn't mean to sound like he was being a sexist I just find it annoying when people hate on a certain caster because of their gender
Yeah sexism of any level isnt okay but he didnt say anything that can be directly interpreted as sexist motive
infact he even suggested an another woman as a better option
Stream getting banned in 30m
if super cast we're gonna lose sponsors that we never had
wolf and achilios are REALLY good, I knew their time together in OWL never ends
but I'm super sad no AVRL and Pixie
who only appeared once in 2020 because they were told they would need to be there for the 2020 Asia homestands but then COVID threw that all out the window the day they were about to leave
What about Danny Danny Lim Lim
Rich and Kenobi too :(
It's gonna be huh...interesting to watch Ninek casting
I don´t remember if Unknown already casted tho
unknown did casting jobs for contenders korea last year iirc
no more translators, since unknown and gclef are apparently really good at it (I wonder if it's because they're korean)
they didn't deserve to lose out like this
blizz can only afford to sign up full time casters to cover both regions TOGETHER
They were so fresh when i saw them and good chemistry too
meanwhile I think because Asia has technically three regions in Japan Korea and not China
they get three english pairs
yup
Oh well, can't ask much to a reboot of the league, hopefully coming years they improve
The fact they might share the replay codes would be an improvement
I didn't mention this in the update post, but former 2018-2019 Shanghai Dragons coach BlueHas is back
https://twitter.com/PokerFace_OW/status/1761325934517325919
you can't save this man's career, time to start a new one on a team that's going to get slammed
Gee I wonder if translating Korean is easier when you're Korean

You’re trying to make me seem sexist or something? I don’t think she’s a good caster and it’s not because she’s a woman. I even said lemonwkiwi would be better and she’s a woman 🫠
If we’re being honest, she might’ve just gotten the job cuz we seen diversity
Because there are definitely better casters out there
She was casting eu contenders for like 2 years prior to getting the owl job, same with lemon kiwi, I think it was just natural moving up the chain as old casters left and spots needed filling
What if they weren't available?
All of them? That’s just unfortunate
I’m just surprised a caster as good as Custa didn’t get a job
I mean it's possible plus I reckon it's easier to acquire someone who was already working under the ow scene
He probably doesn't want to or is playing in owcs
They all did tho
Alright that’s fair if it’s the case
I don’t think he would ask to be paid more than uber or mr X
Now that I think about it, maybe lemon is casting eleague again.
Actually he maybe a co streamer as well there's a lot of reasons why custa specifically wouldn't be available
I'm sorry man my brain this morning was all scattered I wasn't trying to do anything like that
I would just assume given he was literally a desk host, there's a reason he's not there since he'd be there if they wanted him
Danny I could see being cut for costs
But custa would have to say no I'd think
Thanks for apologizing dude. It’s online here and being accused of anything could get you banned so fast 😅
But they've let Brenshow go before so it isn't like they are good at keeping broadcast talent so who knows maybe they just didn't pick him up lmao
But i doubt it
I’m really looking forward to owcs. So many strong teams playing in it
When more dogman casting
I demand mr Bowerman
YES!
I'm interested in APAC and EU
YOUR PFP
Like NA has Toronto but that’s it really
WTF IS THAT ANIME CALLED I WAS OBSESSED IN HIGHSCHOOL
I think Toronto just runs NA unless they pull the craziest choke ever
The dusttin bowerman show format wasn't sustainable financially or in ow since ow esports scene isn't big enough but the few weeks of episodes were goated content

I have no clue
Gtdaal is intruding in the sweaty esports nerd chamber
I use to watch him cast contenders
And eleague last year
Over here, I'm the alpha
i’ll go back to… general chat…
What known players are available for na still
Aspire

imagine
Hydron, coluge, s9mm, seeker, Ultraviolet, ojee, chopper
You know
A few
And maybe more Koreans would play there?
Idk…
Idk
bc besides from money why would you play in NA
Idk how I forgot about Hawk
Because Korea has way too much talent for two spots so some go play outside to have a chance.
Well it's not like you need an org to play so Hawk, Seeker, s9mm, uv and ojee might just register as a FA team
I don’t know about the dates.
Can they still?
I think match 1st is deadline for na
It’s a strong team so possibly
Some teams are playing in both eleague and owcs. That’s gonna be hard for them I imagine
plus I think the meta favors them mainly bc Lenny and someone can play anything it seems
Lenny can play genji and tracer very well but that’s it really. His mei is to be desired
I mean it's solid
Eh
His echo is nice too
Yeah
his blizzards are horrible tho
That match on circuit was a hard watch
Flash ops?
yeah
Mhm
I’m cheering for twisted minds
I’ve been a fan since the World Cup. And they’re basically the same team lol
I wanna see quartz pop fr
Yeah he’s insane. Did you know they’re playing in EU but their boot camp is in Korea? Lol
Oh yeah jay3 tourney today
That Saudi money given them luxury
Yeah it’s really nice that their country really supports them you know?
No idea I just seen kraan stream title lol
The tournament is on now?
Not right now but I think 30m-hour
Yup of course
If America could put sum money into esports 💔
Ik it'll never happen but
They’re too busy giving our money to companies and a country I don’t wanna name
if i remember correctly coluge s9mm and seeker are in a team
they just dont have an org
You know top 3 teams in NA?
The official ones?
What do you think is the strongest 3 teams in NA
I only know of defiant
And Hawk isn’t playing?
The top teams for what i know are defiant, timeless and prob the coluge team
but im not sure if im aware of every team
I heard they picked up a squad with infekted, topdragon, cal etc
let me double check i might be talking out of my ass
Yeah infekted, mirror, pge, topdragon, lep, renko
Topdragon? Isn’t he Korean?
Cool I remember him from contenders I think
Tbh I don’t know most of those people
you dont know mirror or renko?
PGE was popping off on widow in flash ops
Their names seem familiar but I unfortunately can’t say I do
both owl players
Yeah I figured I saw them in owl at some point but that’s it
Washington?
mirror in washington, renko got picked up by shock half way through last owl season
and lep, infekted are some of the better na t2 players
yeah absolutely
EMEA has better teams I think
I agree
defiant is stacked but spitfire, twisted and owlspraycheck are for sure better than any NA team beside defiant
Defiant going to prove being mid again
yeah the roster i listed is ex wisp
they got picked up by timeless
Tbh I think roc isn’t as good as defiant but still might be better than any other na team
Roc is very top heavy
will have to see how it works out before i rate them high
Ohhh that's the team reinforce was watching scrim the other day
If that team somehow flops the whole org has to disband
Bc atp its a curse
Please change Doompist to dealer
I’m just kinda expecting a bit from them since they have checkmate and izayaki
Also tbh TVNT was actually pretty decent on sigma
They have the most dominant owcs roster rn
Esports doesn’t bring in money
my honest reaction
Lol
Imagine Sirmajed plays instead of fielder and he does really well XD
That’d be funny af
Gets fielder benched
sirmajed potg
They should let him play against weaker teams tbh
I guess his biggest problem is communication? He can’t speak Korean to the others
Jay3 community tournament is live now if anyone cares
SOES BACK
Yep
im here to talk about the slander that has just occurred,. every single game i play is filled with eastern Europeans who think its acceptable to 1 trick a hero they are ass at. I have dropped from masters to platinum because of these fools. separate the servers so only people from the uk can play together im sick of these migrants entering my games and not using ults before they die . these people deserver to have their benefits removed and visa revoked.
Overwatch is turning bro into a nationalist 💀
insane message from F3MB0Y#2956
femboy is not a fan of eastern Europeans
can you still get the esports tokens from owl?
Yeah you can still buy owl coins and skins
@humble brook actually ill
no
@uncut drum @rugged quest
Is this for best to ever play the character or most known for the hero
I'm assuming it's best on the hero since viol2t is listed for zen
Profit hanzo? And moth mercy???
who else would be hanzo
literally every time hanzo was a strong pick profit's team would become title contenders with him on hanzo
s1 playoffs s3 playoffs
of all the lists I've seen of these things, this one isn't too bad
I would swap choi/void though for sig/dva
profit's team was dogshit the previous stages and suddenly made grand finals
void is the goat dva
he was top 3 dva but choi the goat on her
choi is not the goat of dva
void the goat on sig though (hanbin better at the end)
void played dva to an equal or higher level than choi for longer
and had the highest peak on dva of any player ever
choi was arguably better in 2019 (although he had a superstar lineup while void had two teammates and STILL made glads highly competitive)
void was equal or stronger on dva in 2020
void was much stronger on dva in 2021
Mercy = Nisha or Yveltal hanzo = prob merit , fits, or leave maybe birdring imo
Yes let take the s1 performance compared to the level of players we have now
Oh didn’t reply lol right above this tho
for hanzo im thinking Leave
idk who nisha or yveltal is
i know tobi mercy tho lel
Remember the mercys that pocket JinMu
Hunters
Ya
i see
bro did NOT hear the all time part of 'greatest of all time'
tracer and genji should be proper
I forgot who was the best out of the two but both were very good
Profit wash lip would destroy him
yeah no shit
i cant wait for owcs
yeah no shit
Wac
Leave was better too
profit had the longest and most significant reign of dominance on hanzo
Stalker for tracer soj prob a split between lip and proper oh genji lol uh prob kev or whoru
season 1 playoffs season 3 playoffs he was far and clear the best hanzo
nobody else has has significant feats on hanzo
even if in the modern day they would be better at the hero
okay i've been enlightened that this discussion is just not worth having
with someone who thinks stalk3r is the goat of tracer
he just isnt lol
he did good in flashops too
he had 1 season of significance on tracer
vs people who've had numerous seasons of higher significance
he got mvp in flashops too
both of his biggest feats of tracer were paired with a full roster of people who are widely considered #1 in the world on their roles
who do u think is the goat of tracer
kevster
for me its Proper
kevster and striker are the top 2 imo
proper beat kevster
Striker?
??
season 1 he hard deadlifted a shitty boston team to a 10-0 stage with his monumental tracer gameplay
striker's tracer was so far above everyone else's in his prime that his efforts alone made a below average roster highly competitive
in season 3 he had similar performances on shock
Goat of tracer is one of striker/proper/leave/kevster
it just isnt proper
but as of now its proper
like you just cant include proper in that discussion
when he had 1 season of significance where he wasn't even clearly the best tracer
as there is very valid argument for kevster being the best tracer that season
they are equal for season 5 in my books
neither was clearly better than the other on tracer / genji
Proper was the best tracer in s5 for sure, kevster was close but proper was always a bit better
that just isnt true
s6 proper had the unfortunate event of having milkmen on his team
That and crusty had him practicing everything
s6 kevster did too and he looked better than proper that season
fairly certain a part of the reason why that roster was ass was bc mental was boomed from proper being a dictator
that is actual fake news
i'll trust the coaches and players directly involved in the scene more than a shock fanboy i fear
most of the players in the league are not good people esp the higher up in talent you go
atlanta flopped partially because the main core would turbo flame donghak
for basically anything
I have yet to hear of a single story of proper being a dictator in s6
so his confidence was in the shitter
I've heard of all the other surrounding issues but proper specfically being a dick is not one
Atl flop because they lost wizard
proper is a nice guy lel
gator had to act partially as therapist for donghak
im not 100% sure if the proper stuff is true
one of my friends is in owl
Wizard being one of the best analyst
lol
but people can be extremely charming when you meet them irl and complete dipshits in the lobby
atl only flopped because of ego
Atl also couldn't one trick sombra anymore
they refused to review rein comps bc they thought they actually just couldnt lose to london
that didnt really matter
And gator a shit coach
yes
Wizard was the only real coach in that team
there was so much talent on that roster that theoretically they could be favorites in any meta
gator was NOT responsible for lip playing fucking genji on ilios lighthouse
into london's rein bunker
gator wanted them to play poke that map
which would've shit on london's comp
but they ego'd
Gator also soft af
poor gator
if they won he would get zero credit
and since they lost he gets all blame
He never put his foot down
atlanta was also convinced that they couldn't ever lose to team china in a dive mirror
so they took the ego duel to the end and paid the price
Because they had 0 coaches lmao
this may be true
he got more flamed after usa losing the world cup
but i think gator is getting way too much flame
for something that is like 80% the fault of the roster itself
leave genji tho
i mean if he'd caught the differences in tank styles between coluge and super
earlier
and had super play over coluge
it likely couldve changed usa's fate
coluge being silly and going on a cut before owwc
too much toronto dna ran in that team, natural chokers
gator stated that atlanta's biggest issues
were that they always wanted to win in the short term
which was easiest at the time by just playing d0nghak and going dive
so hawk never really properly got integrated
i think he said the koreans on the roster were respectful towards hawk but he never really got fully integrated
bc in scrims the koreans never wanted to sub hawk in for a few maps bc they wanted to keep playing comfort comps so they could keep winning
hm idk about that
so atlanta would always look weaker with hawk in bc of the lack of integration and that came to bite them when they needed hawk's talents
like his doom or sig play
Lip wanted to play with hawk more
i mean gator was the one who was literally in the scrims coaching and working with the team
he said it irl and on stream
then there's some disconnect bc gator 1000% would've put hawk in more if he could
tbh owl coaches really dont have much power
gator's faith in hawk is astronomically high he def would've integrated him as much as possible if there was no roadblock
its funny cus Kalios kicked the boston coach
this is partially why i think gator couldnt really put his foot down
and Ans couldve kicked Crusty but they are irl friends
when you have a roster like lip chiyo fielder stalk3r
you genuinely have to consider mutiny as a possibility
a lot of big o2 names though
im friends with Someone
its from Flashops
Lip someone ans o2 vesta crew houston outlaws
and Pine+ crusty
- florida mayhem
- kariv kalios
viol2t
ill meet proper again and prob sirmajed
in upcoming owcs
definitely a weird engagement farming title but gator gives a lot of his insight to what happened with atl here
https://youtu.be/1_4OqB5489c?si=67RSZOUjgdjEvHr3
Gator, Head Coach of the Atlanta Reign in the Overwatch League 2023 and Team USA in the Overwatch World Cup is our guest this week. ChrisTFer, CommanderX and Unter are here as always to find out what went wrong with two of the most talented teams this year.
Join our discord - https://discord.gg/DEt4UFyYnk
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if ppl dont want to watch the whole thing there are timestamps to things like atl
the title is def engagement farming i think his explanation was that korean work ethic added a lot more necessary scrim time or smth like that in order to keep up
i dont remember
🤣
The new OW esport skins look cool judging from the Kiriko one, unfortunately they feel like OWWC recolours to an extent
i mean that’s just the overwatch colors at the end of the day LOL
they can only get so creative while making them still stand out and reference their brand
sUP JaEee
hi hi hi
What does uphill battle mean
where can I see the new owwc skins?
At least we can get new champion skins still
Ngl why the esports team members look like they get no women
there is a decent about with gfs and wifes
A lot of them are happy being single
What time is the stream tomorrow?
I’m pretty sure he mentioned that it’s his fault multiple times
He took responsibility for being the coach but DAMN. That podcast was juicy
It seems like blizzard didn't want custa btw
He didn't say exactly what but going from how he phrased it im guessing they just let him go
yeah he pretty much said they made problems but it was his role to solve them and he kinda didnt cuz he was too nice to put his foot down
when is the twitch stream happening i want the twitch drops bad
what's up with rupal i heard ultraviolet say in spilo's latest vid that rupal is on a team with lyar uv coluge s9mm and someone else
is rupal in both collegiate on winthrop and owcs on toronto
The episode with NineK and Unter intimately discussing toxicity in overwatch and when done right is good for the team (thinking back to peak Shock and ATL/Glads) they probably know what they're on about
same fr
im still trying to figure out what channel its gonna be on, im guessing the playoverwatch channel?
nvm its on the esports channel
whats the drops
league tokens?
ehh...
better to watch it for fun rather than rewards unless u wanna afk it ig
thanks fam
I really want the kiriko skin. I love orange, green and black and that skin has two of them
The episode with funnyastro was very juicy too
Almost any player interview is going to be good if they're allowed to speak their experience and tell us what teams or Blizzard won't tell us
This was meant to be the best Japan match up today, looks like this is a third snoozer
Why they playing hog?
Why tf not
It's Japan, they do whatever they want (and fail by repeating the same comp over and over until it works Chengdu Hunters style)
It looks like they're finally making progress
It's so joever
That lifeweaver hog combination was a lost cause
Maybe it works for them, but they're probably looked a lot worse because VARREL have been around for years together with the same tank and support core
Pretty hard to topple a team whose made several Contenders appearances while never having their own Contenders region
Qki looking too good on echo game, duplicating their lifeweaver for fun
Why is it at 4 am bruh
Cuz Asia region
a
Japan doesnt rly have any depth
varrel is the only solid japanese t2 team
= you will have ladder players running it down = random ass picks
Back when Xerneas did these “tell-all” streams, he explained that he was stirring up drama because he wasn’t planning to stay in the esports circle.
Currently, he is stacking with Guxue and Shy in ranked. Classic Xerneas.
shit talk leave on stream
leave esports scene
come back with no mention of previous leave slander
????
that’s just xerneas actually
Pretty common lol
I don’t see twitch ever going back into sk
With the fine that sk gave them and the streamers are streaming adult context is wild lmao
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