esports-discussion

[earnest leaf]

kai's style of sojourn wasn't what you needed for how she ended up being played

it's why he was insane when she was just a one tap sniper

then she became more a rush type hero and the sit back and snipe style wasn't as good

[stoic bronze]

Kai is a EU pine

[tawdry hamlet]

Malthel is Hella mental based he had like 4 diff Twitter dramas for raging at people lmao

I agree

Also Venom slash sigma getting a chance in owl was cool

I liked all of the players on s5 reign so much

Nero, Venom, Kai, ojee, uv, hawk, gator. So many cool personalities but combined they have such a low ceiling 😭

[earnest leaf]

nah kai's entire career wasn't based off two clips vs actual plumbers

[full lichen]

???

I would like to respectfully disagree with you

Here's why

1. Venom was VERY good at Tracer
2. Nero was doing Pretty well when he played
3. Ojee and UV were pretty good
4. Hawk is the OT GOAT (Besides Void) and Gatar is an alright MT
   Combined their ceiling isn't like 2022 Atlanta Reign high, but it's higher than most OWL teams

[stoic bronze]

Ot goat without hanbin is crazy

[tawdry hamlet]

I know I should've said such a mid ceiling instead of low

[full lichen]

You're right

My B

[keen abyss]

hawk isnt even top 5 for OT goat

[full lichen]

That's fair

[keen abyss]

maybe 5th at best

[stoic bronze]

Hawk is a flexible ot

[full lichen]

It's like Hawk, Choi, Hanbin, Void are top OT's imo

[tawdry hamlet]

Ojee and uv disappointed me but I think that's because they just came off winning contenders like 6 times in a row so anything short of winning is a disappointment

[keen abyss]

void hanbin choi fury are top 4

[full lichen]

I'm giving him major points for that lol

[full lichen]

???

Then who's your number 5? Hotba?

[keen abyss]

5 is very open

[tawdry hamlet]

Meko 😤

[stoic bronze]

Fury is a God dva

[keen abyss]

hawk rode the bench s6 and found very little success when in

[full lichen]

But like that's saying we should put Marve1 top 5 OT because he was one of the first to pick up Sig and has done really good on Sig

[keen abyss]

s5 he was flexible but never really found too big of a height

little success in joats which is an off tank meta

[stoic bronze]

Exactly

[keen abyss]

decent msm success decent kc success but i'm pretty sure that was mostly on MT

[tawdry hamlet]

there's tons of off tanks in the average to above average range, Michelle, Kalios, gargoyle, hawk, punk, idk who 5 would be unless I'm forgetting an obvious one

[keen abyss]

depends on how you classify doom

his season 4 was really good

but he still wasnt a top 3 OT even that season

[full lichen]

I wanna know

[keen abyss]

void hanbin were very clear of him

probably choi maybe space

[full lichen]

Could we consider SOMEONE as a Mt and on ot? Because he played EVERY tank to an OWL level

[keen abyss]

if you even attempt to insinuate that someone can be put in an OT goat discussion

you actually need help

[full lichen]

His Sigma and Ram are generational

[keen abyss]

he is a traditional main tank who can flex to off tanks to an OWL level

in 5v5

[full lichen]

He plays EVERY tank to an OWL level

[keen abyss]

bold assumption

[full lichen]

We can't just say he does and and can flex to the other if he gets the same results with all of them

[keen abyss]

he'll never be better than specialists on dva

[full lichen]

He's proved it

[full lichen]

Specialists are different

[keen abyss]

i dont remember enough about his zar but he can't compare to hanbin

[full lichen]

He didn't do bad or good against Hanbin

Against Hanbin he looked average S5

[keen abyss]

his sig was good but his main trait was that he could play every tank and not be a burden

there's a difference between being able to keep up on off tanks to achieve the win condition and actually being an elite difference maker

you can't include him in off tank discussions but his off tank record helps immensely with his overall tank discussion

[stoic bronze]

Someone is one of the best tanks owl has ever seen

[keen abyss]

his ability to play off tanks and not be an active burden is impressive

[full lichen]

I think we all can agree 90% of his tanks he's top 7 in the league

[keen abyss]

that's his main draw over other main tanks

[stoic bronze]

Someone has best ram of all time best sig in season 6 and top 5 sig I'd say

[full lichen]

Agree

[keen abyss]

best ram of all time is generous

[full lichen]

Who else could be best Ram of all time?

He diffed everyone else

Watch this MF pull out DongHak

[stoic bronze]

Only people that could've diffed his ram, maybe o2 marvel

[keen abyss]

i dont think there is a best ram

like when has ram ever been played to a serious and extensive enough degree

to actually be able to have claims to back this up

[stoic bronze]

Pro am

[keen abyss]

okay first off using pro am for an argument

just shows how mickey mouse his ram title would be in the first place

also the only person who played ram

in pro am finals

was danteh 😭 😭

unless someone played him on shambali offense

no he basically only played winston

every map / point that glads won in that finals

was danteh ram vs someone winston

[keen abyss]

there is no way

that your argument for someone being the goat ram

is a finals he didnt even play ram in

and where he was getting tank diffed by a different person on ram

and didnt mayhem have a very easy bracket for pro am

[timid phoenix]

pro am 💀

they definitely had the easier side

but like pro am was kind of a joke

[keen abyss]

wait

didnt glads beat mayhem consistently on ram

outside of reaper mirrors

i'm pretty sure florida only ever beat glads on the lucio moira reaper mei ram comp

in spring stage

they couldnt beat glads ram comp otherwise

they literally only beat glads if the mei reaper comp worked on the map

danteh was literally a better ram than someone

kevster just cant play reaper

while mer1t is a mickey mouse hero specialist

(reaper bastion)

[timid phoenix]

if you include second half of the year I think you gotta give it to someone for best ram

but like this is the only year ram has even been available

[keen abyss]

was ram played in the second half??

[timid phoenix]

yes

the meta didn't actually change until the last like 2 weeks of regular season

teams were still playing the winston dive / ram comps

[keen abyss]

wasn't there a lot more dva and queen

idk like someone is a good tank but like

i feel like most of his accolades come from his ability to work with his team

and play what his team needs him to play

and the team cohesion

rather than him actually just being better than other people and being able to carry

it's not that his ram was dominant he just played ram on good ram maps and their brawl was better than the enemy team's brawl

[stoic bronze]

A part of being a good tank is being flexible

[keen abyss]

like most of his ram gameplay from what i can see

is playing ram on a control point where ram comp is best

and outplaying the enemy team's comp

[keen abyss]

someone was the most valuable tank last season that is not something i am arguing

i'm saying there's a diff between winning by being the best at your hero and winning by being the best team

[stoic bronze]

At the beginning, mayhem were not the best team though

[keen abyss]

mayhem was the best team even if nobody on the team was individually the best at any of their heroes

most mvps were mvps for being elite and untouchable on their heroes

jjonak far and clear the best zen and ana nyxl was able to build around that fact and become dominant

s*natraa was the most impactful player on the most impactful hero in that meta

fleta robbed mvp from more deserving players but he was elite on multiple top heroes that year

etc

[stoic bronze]

What mvp would you have chosen over fleta?

[keen abyss]

someone got mvp for being elite at his role

not any hero in particular

[stoic bronze]

Just curious

[keen abyss]

void probably

his sig carried hard

and his dva was elite when she was played

if it wasnt for lip in 2021 void probably shouldve won mvp

that year as well

his dva did so much to make that dragons comp work

i don't think someone mvp was a bad shout i just think pretending he was top 2 on any hero that year is delusional

maybe rein ?? his rein kinda turbofed but that was also a key to the mayhem's success on that comp so idk

they were one of the only teams that actually got a lot of success out of rein rush

though it was mostly just to counterpick

abusing someone's flexibility to play both sig and rein

i dont think it's delusional

to say danteh ram > someone ram

danteh ram was extremely effective against mayhem

in every single bout between them

i honestly think glads backline trolled extremely hard in the spring stage loss for glads against mayhem

lastro and babel were just playing awfully

and mayhem mostly just won by playing the mei reaper comp well rather than

someone being elite at ram

tbh danteh best ram

[timid phoenix]

people are definitely overrating him

[keen abyss]

agreed

which is a weird thing to say because he definitely deserved his mvp

but people are acting like he's a top player on every tank bc of it

[timid phoenix]

yeah

its just the dick riding for him is a bit crazy

[keen abyss]

when his merit comes from his utility as a team player

he's only individually insane on winston

[earnest leaf]

someone was highly praised because he was capable of playing any tank to a competent standard

[keen abyss]

yeah

i'd say it's more bc he was above competent he was good at every tank

[earnest leaf]

being able to swap around comps without your tank having a meaningful drop in skill, or having to swap a whole new player in is huge

[keen abyss]

but saying he's elite is extremely biased coming off of his playoffs win

[keen abyss]

this

that's literally the main reason why they won playoffs

houston could play fearless for winston or rein or bernar for zarya or sig

but they cant play both

even though someone can't match them on any of those heroes

he doesn't have to

bc he can just play the hero whichever of them can't play

danteh beat houston's winston comp multiple times and their rein comp on ram (weighted less for pro am)

were better than florida in ram lucio bap mirror (worse at / against lucio moira)

beat florida's winston compo and other comps multiple times with ram comp

like idk if somebody can give more accolades for someone ram when he was strictly worse than danteh in a direct confrontation outside of lucio moira

which is less ram specifically and more reaper lucio moira as a whole

and danteh was able to upset stronger teams with ram outside of optimal ram maps

when most of someone's ram success was playing him as a map pick outside of the mirror

who else played ram that year

hawk wasnt successful on ram comp

i remember fearless winning against reign on ram

yeah unless somebody has actual points for someone ram outside of one series against glads where lastro heavily trolled all day

this is just insane dickriding and rose tinted lens after playoffs

i think saying danteh is the goat ram is unreasonable because he literally only played half a season

but he's the only player off the top of my head who actually made a name for himself on that hero and make big upsets and any play worthy of being called an accolade

so either danteh is goat ram or nobody is i fear

[tropic herald]

[robust patio]

boop

[feral zodiac]

Supa cast: wall of text

[keen abyss]

can't let the someone dickriders get away with propaganda for free

they will be enduring the supa tax

[tawdry hamlet]

[robust patio]

@reef seal @vale cobalt @uncut drum @heavy cliff @feral zodiac @tawdry hamlet

DIFF 216 INSANE

[reef seal]

shock goat team

[robust patio]

SHOCK DOMINATION IN OWL

the only team with even close to 70% win rate INSANE

[tiny pollen]

75% winrate if not horrible year this time

[weary talon]

Shanghai is only this low cause of season 1

If they didnt play like that during s1 they’d have better wr than shock i think

[robust patio]

no

also even if they plauyed well, 216 DIFF is crazy

[robust patio]

@weary scarab ur majed team is in very low team btw, even if twisted mind joined, they would be around below washington justice

[robust patio]

this also supports that even if ksa won this year, they arent the best. Just look at Mayhem winning this year, but not even close top 5 💀

[icy cedar]

flashbang

Question, what were the concrete reasons that Winston fell out of meta in OWL?

Was it Bastion Destroying His Shield? Was it Supports High Healing Output?

[vale cobalt]

🤣

[hot onyx]

philly second again...

[vale cobalt]

https://fxtwitter.com/Coach_Spilo/status/1724592766276010437?s=20

https://ibb.co/PtxQLhF

hog is so bad rn

[robust patio]

Alarm carried to top 2

[vale cobalt]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/17vn3z4/lordenzo_on_x_going_live_tomorrow_night_and/

lordenzo ❤️

---

part 2 of gator leaks
https://docs.google.com/document/d/11rUpa55bxDHX-H8ybCitid095nPWSOL37SwRmplLSmU/edit

[hot onyx]

there has been multiple deadlifts

s3 was a team effort since that was essentially a superteam, s1 was all carpe s4 was the alarm show and s5 would've been winless without mn3 zest

[robust patio]

oh forgot about the legend carpe 🫡

[hot onyx]

he and mn3 could've been the best double hitscan duo in owl history if he didn't wash up

[robust patio]

imagine u r playing ow1, and u meet mn3 proper lip carpe ans flow3r

ur team does a decent comp, but they go 6dps 😵

mn3: bas
proper:soj
lip: sombra
carpe: cass
ans: widow
flow3r: genji

[vale cobalt]

give carpe widow

[robust patio]

in ow1

ans was better 😵

[vale cobalt]

headshot after headshot after headshot

put fleta on widow

carpe can stay on cass

ans on dunno

[robust patio]

dat was fleta

ya

[robust patio]

hey he won owls gfinals

give him some credit 😂

[vale cobalt]

bro im watching old widow headshots

bro one shotted sigma

😳

[robust patio]

very old hanzo can 1shot any tank

[vale cobalt]

old widow consumed 3 ammo per shot 💀

[weary scarab]

no they wouldnt lol how does this prove anything

[vale cobalt]

💀 😳

[robust patio]

this proves that winning 1 grand finals doesnt mean you are better than other teams 👍

[weary scarab]

No it dosent lol

you jusnt a picture of owl team winrate lol how does it prove anything

[robust patio]

winrate isnt the point

im showing DIFF

+216 is crazy

thats pure domination from san shock

most grand finals out of all owl league teams

point is, even with all that massive diff and domination,

shock CANNOT win every owl grand finals

cus they have weakness in meta

teams beating shock 1 match does not mean they are better u can clearly see the diff

[vale cobalt]

i hate when ppl say a certain team didn't win the league because they're bad NO this isn't the case. the reason why certain teams that dominate the league early season but suddenly start to lose their games in play-offs is because of the meta changes that happens pre-playoffs. even gator said that the meta defines who is the winner because you cannot have players who can play every hero perfectly and therefore people sign players that can play certain meta heroes for them so they can do well in play-offs. those who adapt to the new meta fastest and create strategies around it will be most likely ones win the OWL.

atlanta reign is a great example of it

[weary scarab]

it means they played better. saudi arabia is better then china this year

[errant hornet]

I mean idk

It’s World Cup idk if anyone cares that much lol

[weary scarab]

world cup is way more entertaining then owl

[vale cobalt]

oh yes ppl take it sooooo serious that they say X player is better than anyone but they forget that world cup NOWHERE near skillwise to the professional level 💀

hard copium is bad guys

[meager onyx]

ok but like. It was literally team spark vs team Mindfreak (or twisted minds i forgor) + majed

World cup wasn't as serious but the players are still the same

[static pond]

https://fxtwitter.com/owswitzerland/status/1724476176322666580?s=46

[robust patio]

rephrase it, ksa played better in that particular meta than china 👍

every team falls off 😉

[weary scarab]

no, they played better in the wc

if china won the wc. they would of played better this wc simple

no one cares that china didnt adapt to the meta

[robust patio]

who has mullets? 😵

[robust patio]

n o 😵 u rnt understanding

if atlanta played very well the entire season why tf did they lose

[weary scarab]

i am.

china didnt play better if they didnnt win the wc

stop using meta as an excuse

[robust patio]

its not an excuse

[weary scarab]

china 3:0 the usa sigma comp

[robust patio]

ksa wont even be top 8

if meta changes

[weary scarab]

your delusional

[robust patio]

says u 😵

[weary scarab]

ksa was never a sigma based team

lol

they just adapted

better

they will adapt to new metas too

[robust patio]

😵

belive whatever u want

[weary scarab]

its true lol

[robust patio]

man just cant belive anything

[weary scarab]

i didnt see ksaa play the sigma comp before this

[robust patio]

“its true lol”

from a guy who has never watched any owl

[weary scarab]

you are literally saying ksa is not top 8 when they just won the world cup crying about meta lol. china could of adapted too. korea adapted but were ass on the meta 😂

got destroyed by finland

[robust patio]

yes korea roster 2023 was ass cus of meta

ty

now u understand

thank god

👏

[weary scarab]

nah they just played bad

they practised

sigma comp so much

and still lost to finland

[robust patio]

now ur just making up stuff

their dive otp

but alr

i believe u😵😵😵

[weary scarab]

yeah

and they played sigma comp

wonder why

[robust patio]

cus its sigma meta

[weary scarab]

because they practised it a shit ton

[robust patio]

genius

[weary scarab]

an it was meta

[robust patio]

omg this guy doesnt understand the basics of meta now

im done

[weary scarab]

wallah next time korea will make it past semis trust 💯

[robust patio]

talking 😵

[weary scarab]

😂

[robust patio]

dc still top1 rank

[weary scarab]

top 4

[robust patio]

1world cup yapping

top 11

[vale cobalt]

but they dont take it serious

[robust patio]

💀💀💀😵😵😵😵💀💀

lost to netherland

imagine

top 111

11

💀💀💀

[weary scarab]

well you said get a world cup then talk. so saudi got a world cup now so i can talk?

[vale cobalt]

lost to a10 reaper kraan 💀

[weary scarab]

you literally lost to finland lmao

[robust patio]

top 11, only 1 world cup 🤫

[weary scarab]

next time top 3?

or top 4 again?

[robust patio]

next time get above top 11

netherland isnt even a top 10team

and ksa lost 😵

[weary scarab]

and finland wasnt either before this

[robust patio]

finland has a history of top4

[weary scarab]

no

[robust patio]

💀💀💀

[weary scarab]

they dont lmao

[robust patio]

yes they do

[weary scarab]

finland was not a top 4 team before this

[robust patio]

bro never watched

[weary scarab]

lmao

your crazy

[robust patio]

THEY HAVE A HISTORY OF TOP 4

[weary scarab]

top 4 before this was. usa, china korea, gb,

your yapping

[robust patio]

bro

theres been

more than 3 world cups

genius

[weary scarab]

and when was netherlands vs saudi lol? 2019? when saudi didnt care about esports at all

lmao

[robust patio]

netherland never got top 5 the entire 4 world cups

shit team

beating ksa

finland has a record of being 4th

in owwc history

[weary scarab]

and saudi arabia was a shit team back then

too

[robust patio]

if u dont have knowledge dont talk

[robust patio]

now u calling ksaa shit

damn

[weary scarab]

yes back then

[robust patio]

dont care

[weary scarab]

its not that hard to figure

[robust patio]

still lost to netherland

[weary scarab]

out when they didnt place in 2019

lol

[robust patio]

still lost to netherland 😂

[weary scarab]

korea has been ghosting

korea lost to finland

almost 2 times

and didnt get a medal this wc lol

[robust patio]

11th

not even qualifying

😵

[weary talon]

Korea losing scrims vs Saudi is a overwatch moment

[robust patio]

they never lost but ait

[weary scarab]

🇫🇮

[weary talon]

There is screenshots

[robust patio]

yes when meta changed

[weary scarab]

ok?

lol still screenshots

korea is washed

[robust patio]

before that, even china didnt score a point

[weary talon]

No no it was during owwc

Knockouts

Or group stage

[robust patio]

that they played dva 🤣

hiding comp

[weary scarab]

who lost tho

[robust patio]

korea is washed, when ksa has 0 trophies in owl 🤣

[weary scarab]

do you really think ksa cares about owl lol. they could buy owl

[robust patio]

ooooooo

[weary scarab]

almost no saudi goes to owl because they are too rich 😂

[robust patio]

no wayyyyy 💀💀

[weary scarab]

and they dont wanna live in the shit america

[robust patio]

no wayyyyyyyyyy

[weary talon]

Idk how hard it is to admit that ksa is a good sigma team and that hanbin is washed now

[robust patio]

🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯

[weary scarab]

🇰🇼

https://tenor.com/view/palestine-gif-24381216

cope nseethe

[robust patio]

im not disagreeing ksa is a bad team

[weary talon]

I was watching apac the entire season and man

[static pond]

all still fighting?

[weary talon]

Hanbin wasn’t good this season

[robust patio]

yea not the strongest rosters

[static pond]

they cant even pay 2 contenders players bruh

[robust patio]

😂

[weary scarab]

watch saudi arabia control overwatch esports

in the next years

nah too obese to get here now

😂

https://tenor.com/view/4th-of-july-happy4th-of-july-july4-july-four-independence-day-gif-14479472

i am actually 🇰🇼 🤔

i support every arab country in what they win now

[weary talon]

https://tenor.com/view/guangzhou-charge-guangzhou-gz-gzcharge-gzc-gif-19808001

[weary scarab]

yes

[weary talon]

I love charge

[weary scarab]

why are you here tho?

[robust patio]

btw i dont have a mullet 😂 just look close

its just a brown door behind

💀

ironic how u looked at my pfp and say “ i cant take advice from mullets” 💀

💀

not offended

that made me laugh

👍

yes

or else

this channel dies

prob the most dead channel in this discord

🤔

[reef seal]

someone the goat

[robust patio]

🫡

[vale cobalt]

as dead as owl

[robust patio]

:(

[vale cobalt]

https://fxtwitter.com/ow_checkmate/status/1724722349956575500?t=7SmsTc_LL1nhRAFeH8vsBw&s=19

great take

https://fxtwitter.com/MrZeddus/status/1724713958643278061?t=856o-uH6F1oceJ513CRIcg&s=19

💀

[near ferry]

bro just walk behind cover

[vale cobalt]

💀💀

[robust patio]

thats why many ppl used hanzo

[feral zodiac]

That was why many people wanted to die for like 5 seasons

[slate siren]

This is exactly why no respects the Saudi E league

Players sleeping in before a game?

Are you fucking fr

[vale cobalt]

where

send me

[slate siren]

https://x.com/beomging/status/1724837972455879085?s=46&t=hegAuIT3v2kta7HmtVkNqw

Gunba - team of coach falcons

A player fucjing slept in when they had a game so they had to play a 4v5

Obviously they’re gonna lose

Tf

Now they can’t qualify and their best player just landed

and the other team didn't even wanna reschedule

[vale cobalt]

wtf

[slate siren]

average player in the saudi league

[static pond]

Ngl that a player fault the one who slept in

[hybrid crypt]

Can you only buy hero bundles from the website overwatch shop? I wanna buy the lifeweaver black swan skin but i dont want the bundle

[vale cobalt]

high quality gameplay they said

[slate siren]

💀

[jovial elk]

Yo it keeps sayin failed to connect to server but i can play arcade? doing the same for my friend to

[jade ember]

does anyone know if there are any 'lower' esports teams and turnaments? Like not OW League but smaller skale. Im Master support and would love to play semi professional

[rugged quest]

Yes there are. Go to #roles-old and pick the team recruitment role for your home server and you unlock channels for it

[plush grail]

dawg whoever that player is that overslept

their career is over

[sullen berry]

You reckon it was a mistake sending Shy all that way when the schedule just screwed them and their only sub who slept in

[tawdry hamlet]

https://twitter.com/beomging/status/1724843303701455204?t=eamUkzbpbHKXgeby-cVxvw&s=19

Twas allegedly fuki who slept in lmao

I have no recollection of this ever happening

[vale cobalt]

https://fxtwitter.com/hh_varuna/status/1724905481125216272

https://fxtwitter.com/Custa/status/1724888766417162596

[uncut drum]

Huh?

[tawdry hamlet]

I know Shu played with skewed when skewed was the best brig in the league but surely you'd want a second support instead of fearless or someone

[uncut drum]

What is that

[tawdry hamlet]

It was a flash ops tourney from April that I cannot for the life of me remember existing

[uncut drum]

Oh

The lw onen

One

Now I remembered

[tawdry hamlet]

Yeah

[uncut drum]

Remembered

Ffs

Autocorrect

[tawdry hamlet]

I must've missed the east one

Because I remember eskay vs warn

[uncut drum]

@robust patio when you wake up let me know you said the 16th or the 18th for the matches and what time roughly

[tawdry hamlet]

Skewed intrigues me as a player, he's so good but also not so good at the same time

And it was super weird how this random third support ended up being more meta than moth

He's like the mag of main supports

What is everyone's favorite roster of all time? Not best roster, but favorite collection of players on one team

Mine has to be this one

[robust patio]

its 18th but idk the time

ans said its 18th

[robust patio]

my fav is haksal

bro has constant blades without nano

[robust patio]

yes late news 😭

[hot onyx]

he's like the best brig in the world

and also a top 3 fs

i consider that so good

[tawdry hamlet]

Idk it depends, he also played in apac

So I barely kept up 😭 with recent skewed

[hot onyx]

recent Skewed was such a glow up

playing against Spark and Charge before they dropped CSW as their biggest competition he was great

plus they took Mayhem to map 5 which is more than Houston could do

[spare mountain]

is this games esports alive?

[uncut drum]

K thanks

[hazy marsh]

I guess mine'd be -22 Fuel

(I started watching during the -22 season)

[plush grail]

void surefour ripa hydration sounds so fucking weird

but it legit happened

[desert fractal]

whos the michael jordan of ow

[cedar oasis]

Who's that

[meager onyx]

basically goat

Which comes down to profit and viol2t which viol2t wins

[cedar oasis]

Profit is not the goat

Nor violet

[vale cobalt]

violet is

if isnt him then who

[full lichen]

LIP

[cedar oasis]

The goat of ow shouldn't be a xenophobe

[vale cobalt]

hot take

not bad

[full lichen]

I mean LIP has been a top 2 hitscan in the league since 2020 and has almost won MVP all 3 years so he has a strong argument

[vale cobalt]

his team is holding him back

[vale cobalt]

bro violet diffing kilo in 1v1

everytime

kilo rank 1 💀

[cedar oasis]

Kilo is ass

Everyone knows that

Expect shock fans

[vale cobalt]

violet was on bap

kilo on widow

bro made fun of kilo

[cedar oasis]

Bap is broken lmao

[vale cobalt]

bro right clicked

on bap

said im healing u

still he couldnt kill him for 10 sec

so funnny

violet still won that 💀

[cedar oasis]

Yea kilo is not good

He was having a hard time against guriyo

[vale cobalt]

zzz

[cedar oasis]

What does that mean

Are you still lashing out because Houston didn't win anything

Like everyone expected

[vale cobalt]

zzz means

like

ehm its hard to describe

it

and btw no one asked for ur opinion about my team || former team rip outlaws ||

[robust patio]

zzz means ㅋㅋㅋ in korean keyboard spot

which equals to lol

[plush grail]

Your team sucked anyways

[vale cobalt]

says vegas eternal fan 💀

[plush grail]

Biggest lordenzo fan

[vale cobalt]

❤

[cedar oasis]

Bandwagoner

[uncut drum]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/s/pdXoRrIImO

Nah this is fucked

[weary talon]

CNOW is cursed

Im convinced

[tawdry hamlet]

Bro I agree with the top comment lmao someone save this man lmaoo

Chinese Esport pro stranded in Dubai lmao wtf

[uncut drum]

He is on the way back

He is inhttps://twitter.com/CDHuntersFacts/status/1725227180660035735?t=A2gmNWGq_-NLJcsMvkXGAQ&s=19

[vale cobalt]

wtf

what happened

why is shy going back

summerize pls

[uncut drum]

Read post

It is very summed up

[vale cobalt]

okke

[sullen berry]

Oh yeah I forgot you had a team

Haven't seen mine make any OWL bangers but the OWWC replays are worth it

One Ana vs an entire nation during the first point https://youtu.be/21tuOkXZ2fw?si=mOhvsMQmUpXCPiR3

[static pond]

Wtf

That sounds like a prison

[sullen berry]

A prison that he didn't choose to be in

He could find himself in some real shit just like any other foreigner if the people who flew him in don't make the effort to fly him back for the trouble

[static pond]

That crazy thing is this Ist new at all@

There been issues like that before

[static pond]

Ye

Rip shy hope bro is safe

[tawdry hamlet]

Is this tldr accurate
Saudi tournament, one team had shy (like best Chinese dps player) on it. He was flying over from China while his team was playing qualifiers. The sub for shy overslept allegedly and since shy was still flying over they had no other player to play qualifier game

Or am I misreading

[static pond]

Ya

[tawdry hamlet]

[static pond]

He can’t leave

[sullen berry]

Most of this is the fault of the TOs, remember that

[static pond]

But other teams are asking to join there team

[tawdry hamlet]

So basically this?

[static pond]

Yup

[tawdry hamlet]

Tragic

[static pond]

Eating flat bread and raw beef

At least have good food

[tawdry hamlet]

He's apparently got a flight back now tho luckily 🙏

[static pond]

The pay also Ist that high compared to owl

[sullen berry]

The TOs weren't the ones responsible for signing a chinese pro player who had to be flown in to play, so it's just a sucky situation where he flies back without a tournament to play

What a missed opp from Saudi eleague really

[tawdry hamlet]

Yeah

[sullen berry]

Qualifiers are usually where things get messy

It's the quarters onwards where TOs start to care

[tawdry hamlet]

Especially since they're trying to solidify their spot as like a hub of ow esports and they flubbed having one of the best players play

[static pond]

My other opinion is why didt gunba fly him sooner?

[sullen berry]

Shy wanted to be in China to catch up with family, which they allowed since returning from Blizzcon

[tawdry hamlet]

He said qualifiers ended on 16th he thought but turns out they ended 14th or something

[static pond]

Thing is in terms of business they have a lot of shady stuff

[static pond]

Ya I get that too

[tawdry hamlet]

Saudi Money usually is tbh 😭

[sullen berry]

I just think it's just a matter of preference and mental break

Could have, would have, and should have flown him early

[static pond]

Ya

[sullen berry]

Would have been nice to see Gunba shy collab again if this didn't sour their relationship

[static pond]

I think it better to be safe then sorry

[tawdry hamlet]

It just sucks they wouldn't even allow Gunba to just play until shy got there

[sullen berry]

China's best hitscan with arguably the only Western coach with OWL accolades to his name

[static pond]

That just my opinion tho

I do understand he wanted to see his family

[tawdry hamlet]

Also just reminded me that Avalla somehow played an actual owl game lmaoo

[sullen berry]

Unter British hurricane was peak coach sub before Avalla Eternal

So cursed that you'd bring that memory back

[tawdry hamlet]

Wasn't Chara a coach player? Or just a player when he played?

Ah he wasn't a pc on charge, for some reason I swore he was

[sullen berry]

Chara was just a Player when he was signed

Was on T1 coaching under J1N after 2020 season ended and wanted to postpone military service

[tawdry hamlet]

I am thinking back to cursed owl games now and remembered ttuba brig after not playing for a whole season

[static pond]

https://fxtwitter.com/owcavalry/status/1725238970382999869?s=46

Bet they won’t look at the throwing rate

And reports

[vale cobalt]

i leave more now

[sullen berry]

I still remember how stressful the struggle tweets were to read for one of the best brig/Lucio players on the Charge.
https://fxtwitter.com/Chara_RRRing/status/1320416447177183233?t=RcAYg9SFDXHAF3zxMZuAAg&s=19

https://fxtwitter.com/Chara_RRRing/status/1334124975989649409?t=3GHPrmYCbSfZpuSKHZHEiQ&s=19
https://fxtwitter.com/Chara_RRRing/status/1344507672498823168?t=N4rglM1h2N9yb_aTOv25SQ&s=19

2 steps back, 3 steps into a relatively good coaching career I guess

[vale cobalt]

lol

[static pond]

Tbh I just haven’t played as much anymore

[tawdry hamlet]

Bro was desperate to not leave lmao

[static pond]

The meta is so ass

[tawdry hamlet]

When you lose Happy Shu Chara in one off season and replace them with Kariv Mandu Mykaylee 😭

In hindsight

That team got so so much worse

What a wicked downgrade

[tiny pollen]

thats fucked up how he has to pay for his flight home tho

[tiny pollen]

isnt gunba from aus

[tawdry hamlet]

Yeah international airfare prices 😭

[tiny pollen]

it was 500

[static pond]

https://fxtwitter.com/rakattack/status/1725251315323019768?s=46

Biggest tragedy of owl

[vale cobalt]

@full lichen BROOO

gunba coaching srpeakcheck

[rugged quest]

are you serious?

[vale cobalt]

YES

they're scrimming rn

cloudy + gunba whispers each other during game and both give tips to them after the round in vc

[plush grail]

im so happy that during the final year of owl we at least got a super fun personality on the team in rackattack

[vale cobalt]

rak is so cringe

i dont like him

[plush grail]

okay

[static pond]

Tbh I thought the same thing I liked him a lot to be like the face for Vegas even uprising liked him a lot

[vale cobalt]

https://youtu.be/fzEWQJhFJ9o?feature=shared

POGGGG cloudyyyy

[plush grail]

wasnt gonna win anyways so why not have some fun and entertain people

[static pond]

https://fxtwitter.com/usaowwc/status/1725275048196583546?s=46

This is sweet

[tawdry hamlet]

Rak is a brig one trick and mid at best but his personality and family being super wholesome and always being in chat for every single game he plays in contenders and owl is sick

We love that energy

He's like a worse renko but that's OK because he's a goated personality

[vale cobalt]

💀

[tawdry hamlet]

Even like 3.5 years ago in contenders I recall his mom in contenders chat hyping him up

Goated mom

[plush grail]

not every player has to be a top tier player to be fun

rack is cool

[vale cobalt]

bros fun and all but hes terrible at the game

[earnest leaf]

hard to properly rate him since he was MS on a very ass roster

put chiyo on that same roster and chiyo looks mid

[vale cobalt]

zzz

[earnest leaf]

in s4 glads made moth look mid because that team was so ass at rush

[stoic bronze]

Lmao muze

[vale cobalt]

re-watching korea vs. china

holy fk

such a crazy game

[tawdry hamlet]

Yeah I was going to say rak didn't even need to be good because he could be the next coming of Christ himself and still not win with who his teammates were so it is also hard to rate him lmao

[plush grail]

your king lhcloudy was also horrible when he was actually in owl

[rugged quest]

fuck you pussy

[plush grail]

???

[rugged quest]

cloudy owns you

[plush grail]

he was NOT good when he was playing in owl

[rugged quest]

he is the greatest mt

[vale cobalt]

he was the best hamster ❤️

[plush grail]

might have improved but when he was in owl he was legit bottom 5

[rugged quest]

https://tenor.com/view/wolf-growl-grr-mad-angry-gif-16061527

[vale cobalt]

its history now hes so good rn

bro was actually playing hamster

[plush grail]

yes but im not talking about now

[rugged quest]

yh i know, i was just fucking with you

[vale cobalt]

be kind to each other guys ❤️

[static pond]

He mom and sister are both supportive of his streams there usually mark with a 1

[static pond]

Is this being compared to fate and that one Chinese tank?

[vale cobalt]

its a joke i wouldnt dare to do it

[static pond]

Cloudy is cool tho

[vale cobalt]

bro doesnt know how to slam on hamster now

💀

[static pond]

Fr?

Lmao

[vale cobalt]

he is washed on hamster

[static pond]

Thought he still played ow

[vale cobalt]

his hamster mechanics needs a polish

[static pond]

There was one other player that a steamer that just plays ball

[vale cobalt]

but doom sigma rein on point

[vale cobalt]

yeatle and chazm

[static pond]

Yeatle ye

[rugged quest]

surely

[static pond]

He tried to tell people how to play ball when he was doing a vod review of a owl game

[vale cobalt]

:)))))))))

[static pond]

He got backlash from it tho

[static pond]

According to his teammates his Lw was very good and they told him to keep playing it

[tawdry hamlet]

IIRC some of the top owl ball players said they watch chazm to get better

Like that's how crazy mechanically chazm is

My fav one trick of all time 😤

[limpid onyx]

Yeh chazm is nuts

I watched a ball video recently

And like all the advanced ball techniques blew my mind

[robust patio]

i am more nuts

[robust patio]

yes his hammond skill is crazy

[south dove]

When is the next league

[deft wolf]

until blizzard decides to announce one which is never

[robust patio]

flashops

[balmy wolf]

Chazm is ball one trick that was allowed to play in Europe contenders region that allow variety and is more open minded, yzn was also phara one trick and nechros is genji one trick

This is why Europe contenders was actually the best and most fun overwatch

Omg I can post pics

Wait what

[tiny pollen]

you are really gay for that homophobic country

[balmy wolf]

Isn't this statement contradictory

[tiny pollen]

nop

[balmy wolf]

youbi taking pics with china team before finals, managers fight him, he tell her he decided to take pic with second place team

[balmy wolf]

I personally don't care about gays

[deft wolf]

just bc you support team saudi arabia for its players and team, doesnt mean you stand by some of their ideas

[tiny pollen]

just the meat slobbering is kinda funny

[balmy wolf]

Actually most westerners who play in Saudi eleague were cheering for Saudi Arabia

[deft wolf]

I just want ppl to slobber over val esports cuz that would be super funny

[deft wolf]

cool

[reef seal]

I wanna see saudi arabia ego vs south american ego, personally

[balmy wolf]

kraandop was cheering for Saudis from the beginning and said they will win world cup

Even I thought he was crazy

[balmy wolf]

Dude try to defend Saudis online, you will see that you are fighting the world

[deft wolf]

I would like to see team saudi arabia vs team china all time (Shy, Leave, JinMu, Guxue, etc all at their peak)

dude saudi fans are everywhere like i feel like their the most common fan now

[reef seal]

because they won

[deft wolf]

exactly

but it feels so sudden

Like i expected korean and usa fans to still be prevalent along with some eu fans but now its all dominated by saudi fans

like im not complaining just something I noticed post wc

[tiny pollen]

give team china a real coach its a 3-0 win against saudi

not some buggy zoom call coach

[deft wolf]

who was it that was the zoom coach, creed or yaoxie?

[tiny pollen]

zero clue tbh

[deft wolf]

I would agree china would win but saudi can pull off a map maybe

[tiny pollen]

but if his visa doesnt get denied they win world cup easily

[deft wolf]

cuz i remember yaoxie was mentioned and judging that china fumbled the wc, it was prob him

[deft wolf]

yeaaa

[reef seal]

if KR brought their mayhem roster they would win
if blizzard didn’t change patch after qualifiers saudi wouldn’t win, either

It is what it is saudi deserved to win tho imo

[south dove]

Why

It’s still going on tho right?

[deft wolf]

nope

they shut down owl

nee system

is yet to be announced

[south dove]

Why???

Bruh

I liked owl

[deft wolf]

it earned them less than 1% of their annual earnings

and teams were not getting any money

[balmy wolf]

That's just temporary world cup hype, but in general saudi eleague is best local league in the world for overwatch esport, there was already hype for overwatch and esport in general recently, world cup is just seeing as the result and success of previous efforts

@deft wolf watch pics above, they put ads of them in every street

😂

[tiny pollen]

yeah suadi has really good local league

[deft wolf]

god damn

they would never advertise in america

[robust patio]

dont worry south korea still doninant 🤣

every grand finals teams were won by koreans even 2023

we have consistency, ksa doesnt

[deft wolf]

i meant ksa’s fanbase is the most popular

[robust patio]

most popular cus they go on every other country team being toxic and spamming yzn> , yzn is ur uncle , quartz> just cus they won 1 worldcup thinking their country is better than china and korea 🤣

[static pond]

Think they korea

That*

Ksa is seen as toxic fan base

[balmy wolf]

Korea average age is 45 while saudi is 20 something

Most people you see are kids

[static pond]

That has nothing to do with it

But ok

[icy cedar]

Colombia Foreverrr

[balmy wolf]

I personally blame legendary and European teams for starting this fight

[stray quarry]

yaoxie sob

got denied visa cause he was sus (????)

[stray quarry]

remember seeing an anecdote about this from one of the managers, said they had no idea who that person was and thought they were the prince of ksa

just bad sportsmanship lmao

83. Before the competition with Saudi Arabia, everyone gathered at the door. Someone from Saudi Arabia suddenly started taking pictures. Then I asked them what they were doing. He said he was taking pictures with the second place team. I was so angry that I started to talk badly to the person. After talking, I was a little scared on the way and asked the players: That person must not be the prince, right?

https://weibo.com/ttarticle/x/m/show/id/2309404965130831265859?_wb_client_=1 from this link

[robust patio]

💀

[balmy wolf]

It's just average pre match tinting, but prince Faisal Bin Bandar Al Saud was actually present among saudi crowd in the back during the event and he watched it all

He is chairman of Saudi esport federation

[stray quarry]

careful when mtling weibo links; for some reason, sister shuang uses english names for almost all players except leave (?)

[balmy wolf]

Also you should know being a prince doesn't mean anything, Saudi royal family have like hundreds of thousands of people but only the king line matter

[robust patio]

korea vs china grand finals this week

cant wait

[stray quarry]

the translate is giving me li zui as leave's name but ik its not that

[balmy wolf]

Anyone know how to watch overwatch Saudi league

[stray quarry]

it's also not an endearment as far as i can tell so its jsut. there

like everyone, even 2dm and yaoxie are referred to in eng why is leave the exception

[robust patio]

i dont think anyone here really cares about saudi league

u should know if u r from saudi

[robust patio]

GUESS WHAT FLASHOPS APAC STARRTS TMR

[stray quarry]

anyways going to sleep. imparting this

58. Our admission passes have wristbands that need to be renewed every day. We originally collected all the wristbands and wanted to keep them as souvenirs for everyone, but Blizzard did not allow us to do this, so we had to tear them all up.
59. No food or drink is allowed in the training room, except for water and Starbucks. I suspect that Blizzard made this rule because they want to drink Starbucks themselves.

[stray quarry]

WHATTT

[robust patio]

ANS SAID ON STREAM

[robust patio]

this is my prediction

[stray quarry]

my son smurf has returned

also izayaki

my 2023 boston uprising.....

[robust patio]

since its double elim

[robust patio]

im rooting for team smurf too

old gen owl watcher

[stray quarry]

fucking sucks that shy couldnt get a flashops team tho

cause of the saudi e league Incident

[robust patio]

i dont think any china team were there, cus they wernet "invited" like owwc

[stray quarry]

The Smurfs win this though even with double fs

[robust patio]

like blizzard should let chinese ppl play

[vale cobalt]

classic

[robust patio]

omg ana

is awake

[stray quarry]

i keep seeing ur twitter account replying to that one esports account

like especially on the day outlaws lost 6k followers

[vale cobalt]

woke up 5 min ago

i have time at the dentist

zzz

[vale cobalt]

who

[robust patio]

ana isnt an outlaws fan now

kekw

[vale cobalt]

ima srpeakcheck fan

oh hyung

yesterday gunba coached srpeakcheck

gunba and cloudy whispered each other during game talked in vc after round

[robust patio]

i heard

:P

[vale cobalt]

gunba's team couldnt qualify so he does this lol

did u hear that shy went back to china

https://fxtwitter.com/clairvoyan7/status/1725394388547994040?t=5CNUcAqHTphHtS6GdXXArg&s=19

[robust patio]

this idk

but i heard someone slept

through?

idk why?

and they say saudi league is the best 💀

[vale cobalt]

https://fxtwitter.com/ow_spectra/status/1725289203913634105?t=Y4purhZwHNFrUk63812usg&s=19

[vale cobalt]

very high qualify league

[robust patio]

who slept through

[vale cobalt]

dunno but someone from gunbas team

they didnt pass qualifiers cuz of it XD

shy was on gunba's team was spending time with his family after blizzcon were flying to saudi during the game

https://fxtwitter.com/CDHuntersFacts/status/1725205905895997547?t=jHeYSKuPb01-Mv57-byLIA&s=19

🤣💀

[tawdry hamlet]

Yeah literally if yzn cloudy legendary just like never talked there wouldn't be nearly as much conflict over ksa winning 😭

They created a big moral good vs bad debate that overshadowed the team

[stray quarry]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/17wh5l9/shy_livestream_translation_update_on_team_falcons/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

this was 2 days ago, he went back to china already LMAO

[vale cobalt]

https://fxtwitter.com/Thee_Hawk/status/1725272360482189771?t=G1egt4OO9_wq8xduryrATw&s=19

great take by hawk

[robust patio]

😵

[analog dawn]

Same

But I’m finnish and half of them are finnish as well

[static pond]

reminded me how much i hate blizzard

well this thime the dev team

[robust patio]

bring back 6vs6

yes

[vale cobalt]

i love finnish ppl

[vale cobalt]

😭

[vale cobalt]

🔥🤯👀

[sullen berry]

TIL This server mutes FURRIES 👏

[analog dawn]

we are best (very not biased)

[sullen berry]

It's a cringe take but the feelings are based

I don't suppose that by higher skill expression they mean to say they are a fan of Charge/Spark

[vale cobalt]

suomiiiiii 🇫🇮❤️

[static pond]

I need a new esports to watch now

Alright prob going to call of duty lmao

[vale cobalt]

noooo

watch flashops eu

tonight

good teams play vs. each other

[analog dawn]

can you watch it somewhere else than streamers

ive only watched it via cloudys stream

[static pond]

Ya that my problem with it lol

[vale cobalt]

you cant

u can in 1 month

they will stream it live on contenders

now you can exclusively watch it through streamers

[analog dawn]

what other streamers are other than cloudy

[robust patio]

flashops apac startibg tmr @analog dawn @vale cobalt

idk what time tho

[analog dawn]

Isohan looking strong (I'm also a mayhem fanboy)

[vale cobalt]

wow

[vale cobalt]

i like suomi less now

[analog dawn]

damn :(

But i have been a fan for some time now

Not just this season

[vale cobalt]

🙃😭

[analog dawn]

I started playing ow on pc in like2020 and watched owl, and been a fanboy since

[robust patio]

my friend is in mayhem

👍

[analog dawn]

in like the staff or a player?

[robust patio]

player

[analog dawn]

cool

who

[robust patio]

Someone

[robust patio]

do u know?

[analog dawn]

yeah

that's really cool

[robust patio]

hes my middle skl friend

he used to live in paju

[robust patio]

i had my last soju with him the other day

before he left to saudi

[analog dawn]

My only connection is that my friend knows one of the players in the finnish owwc team

[robust patio]

this is the benefit of being friends with an owl friend 😉

u get to meet big boss Pine and other overwatch goats

[analog dawn]

that's actually so cool

[robust patio]

everythings cool 🤣

[analog dawn]

finland is really cool too (it’s -2 currently)

[vale cobalt]

who

[analog dawn]

Olli

[vale cobalt]

olliiiiii

srpeakcheck will play vs. them lol

[robust patio]

the only eu player ive met not irl but in game is cookie

[vale cobalt]

admiral olli's team

[analog dawn]

he has won every map he played in (1)

[vale cobalt]

so fkn cold here in sweden too

[vale cobalt]

murooooo

[robust patio]

its cold in seoul too

[vale cobalt]

do u watch vlogs

[robust patio]

it snowed today

😵

[vale cobalt]

vlogs are so funny

olli saying murooo

[analog dawn]

who is posting vlogs

[vale cobalt]

finland vlogs

olli taking the camera and saying muro

which means yo or smth

[robust patio]

i forget ana is from sweden

keep thinking ana is from finland

[vale cobalt]

🤯

[robust patio]

😵

[vale cobalt]

bro ur memory is so bad

[robust patio]

yes my brain got demolished by watching that tank play

💀

[vale cobalt]

shushhhh

today u will watch high elo gameplay

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imma ss that

js in case 😵

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🙄

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😏

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where

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muro means cereal

moro means yo

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💀

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i gotta watch

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ppl who have 4degit battle tags are og

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ppl who has ow1 owl skins are og

even better: ppl who has ow 1 chengdu or fusion skins are og

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I had but then i changed my name

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😵

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og Mayhem skins