esports-discussion

[reef seal]

yes

good in both

better than genji for sure

then u can play echo or tracer

depending on map

[split flume]

I just wanna see

The lip/proper dps line

Please

[reef seal]

lip the unluckiest plyaer ever tho

truly tragedy

[hard forge]

he diffed shy alottt tbh

[reef seal]

winning the sojourn duel but his dps teammate decides now is the day to play like a robot

😭

[split flume]

The only hero I've ever seen lip be quiet on is soldier and I think that's more a soldier thing than a lip thing

[hard forge]

but sparkle went for aggressive dives waaay too earlt, especially into a mmonk lengsa backline?

big ego

[reef seal]

I dont know what hes doing

unless that is a c oach thing

[hard forge]

he shouldve waited on a pick from lip before diving like that imo imo

[reef seal]

I think everyone agrees

he got punished every time

and continued to do it

[hard forge]

😭

[split flume]

Why wouldn't they play the sigma comp

Does lip just hate bastion

[hard forge]

HANBIN WAS RIGHT THERE

[reef seal]

ego

Thats my only explanation

[split flume]

Rush

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mer1t best sojourn

benched

gg

not even called up

well idk if hes the BEST but hes good

[split flume]

Could mer1t be better than lip in this meta specifically

[reef seal]

if they brought up the mayhem roster maybe

[split flume]

God so true

Florida mayhem with fielder wouldn't drop a map

[reef seal]

cuz existing synergy

[reef seal]

Holy fk

Terrifying

I feel bad for lip tho

on his bday too

Id be so mad LOL

[split flume]

Loses mvp

Getting coached by gator

Goes into world cup

Has sparkle as a dps duo

[reef seal]

donghak throws as well

[split flume]

Gets knocked out by the same team that knocked him out in owl

[reef seal]

[split flume]

This time on his birthday

[reef seal]

this is where the villian arc starts

Imagine if someone picked him up and just gave him a trash roster again in the next iteration of T1 @split flume

LMAOOOOOOOO

Evil

[split flume]

Ow really is such a team game

[reef seal]

Every team game is like that

in every sport

[hard forge]

watching some of these people play makes me wanna get into t1 esports...

im jk, im just silver but one can only dream

[split flume]

If even one piece is even slightly misaligned

Gg

[reef seal]

the best teams arent the ones with the best players often

its the best players who work together*

[split flume]

So true

[zealous inlet]

I went to sleep: who's mvp?

[reef seal]

but if the teams are equally coordinated the better individual talent team wins

like London spitfire

individually not that great

great as a team

[split flume]

Backbone does fuck on mei tho tbf

[reef seal]

Its always the tight margins

[split flume]

Landon on bap too

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when the players are so good

thats why its fun watching

[split flume]

One mistake snow balls into losing two maps

[reef seal]

or resulting in a goal

etc

[hard forge]

was there even an mvp?

[zealous inlet]

Yeah that's what I'm asking

[hard forge]

surely its ksaa? but with how the casters were freaking over quartz might be him

[zealous inlet]

Either ksaa or quartz

[balmy wolf]

quartz and sirmajed are just insane

idk how they cheese illarid vs that china roster

[balmy wolf]

Dude I'm diamond, it's easy to climb, you just need to understand the game and not have a bronze tank

[hard forge]

i AM the bronze tank smh

i dont play comp anymore cuz im tryna focus up on uni, but best believe this winter im making it out

[balmy wolf]

Don't play tank if you want to keep your mental capabilities

[hard forge]

they are already gone. i tried forcing dive...

[balmy wolf]

Just play sigma

But change if they take orisa or rien

[hard forge]

im hoping that by the time im back in comp dive is playable again

[toxic rapids]

Ight we gotta have the conversation about OWL is just a worse version of EU Contenders

[hard forge]

its too much fun, and i dont like brawl. i only play poke on dps

[hard forge]

😦

elaborate

[toxic rapids]

SK superteam lost to the Finnish team

[toxic rapids]

The finnish team is good but a regular EU contenders team like Aww Yeah who doesn't even scrimm beats them. I know that because I watched it happen

China with all that talent got clapped

US has fallen like the movie Olympus has fallen

[reef seal]

🤣

[toxic rapids]

You laugh but SK and China lost to Finland and SA. An SA team with no YZNSA

And Im in the team of F SA lol

[reef seal]

yzn would be the worst player on that roster

[mighty vale]

💀

[hard forge]

oh here we go

[reef seal]

anyone who disagrees has 0 idea about the game btw

[toxic rapids]

YZN literally was their best player

[reef seal]

refer to this comment

[mighty vale]

His iq isn’t high enough to understand that

[reef seal]

your right

[toxic rapids]

You just refuse to believe facts cuz you choosing feelings

[reef seal]

your IQ is too low

[hard forge]

💀

[reef seal]

😭

[hard forge]

saying that to a coach is insane

[reef seal]

I clearly do not understand the game

I am clearly not being reactionary

This saudi team is good but if you think they are beating mayhem on the sigma brawl comp you are delusional

[hard forge]

i was gonna say, yzn on pharah in triple esports used to get clapped by one from twisted. btw. one is an ana player jfc

[mighty vale]

We winning next wc fs too

[hard forge]

he needs the whole team to enable him

[reef seal]

Let me play pharah versus chinese or korean dps

It is really intelligent

For sure

[toxic rapids]

Everybody thinks Doc Rivers is an ass coach in the NBA. Whats the difference between Doc and him cuz he coaches OW?

[toxic rapids]

And they would still clap them your point?

[reef seal]

not real

[hard forge]

ih!

i thought we were done with that

[reef seal]

There's no point explaining logic

[hard forge]

yzn is a flex dps player. his roster is unfortunately limitied and not suited for a counter-dive sigma comp.

[reef seal]

flyer player only*

[mighty vale]

People are racist in ow server and toxic towards saudis it’s insane i got banned today just for saying saying saudi team best itw rn

[reef seal]

and his echo is trash

[hard forge]

if they wanted to have him play they will need a full dive roster

[feral zodiac]

Yznsa would have actively made KSA worse lmao

[hard forge]

mirroring dive against team china is a death sentence

[pearl gale]

why does sigma team comp counter dive?

on ladder winston counters sigma

[reef seal]

Because of a few reasons

one: it is WAY easier to play

[hard forge]

theres a reason we didnt see ksaa on dva except a few seconds, even though we all know his dva is insane

[reef seal]

two: it does insane amount of damage and does not require for perfect team fighting to win

[hard forge]

theres a reason majed wasnt on kiriko, even though we know he is insane on kiri

[reef seal]

three: the heroes in that comp are just op rn

straight up

[toxic rapids]

Im telling yall most people refuse to believe OWL is overrated cuz of the feelings they got but when facts hit them in the face they retaliate with rage lol

[pearl gale]

who?

[reef seal]

sigma

bastion

[hard forge]

its about teams as a whole, you cant slap yzn into every situation, no matter how good his flyers are

[reef seal]

sym is super good

[hard forge]

like it or not

its just not a good idea

[reef seal]

mei is good in that team comp as well

[balmy wolf]

Yzn is best Saudi player when playing phara but phara got indirectly nerfed when illari got introduced

[reef seal]

no hes not

😭

hes not better than ksaa or majed or quartz

jesus christ

[mighty vale]

Omg

[toxic rapids]

Okay lets say YZNSA wasnt playing and he wasnt the best player. SA still clapping everybody

[mighty vale]

Bro

[reef seal]

youbi is better too

[pearl gale]

yzn min maxing has made people think he is better than he is lol

[reef seal]

any yzn glazer is clueless

[hard forge]

saudi fans were being racis on every platform im on. both are horrible. and i was rooting for team saudi cuz they deserve this, but we cant lie and say the fans are good. most of them are not

[toxic rapids]

SK playing in a fraud league and next thing you know they got exposed smh

[hard forge]

ive seen them say crazy things in arabic towards team japan

[reef seal]

best competition possible is a fraud

Lets see arab dive

lets see what happens

🤣

[toxic rapids]

Oh I agree SA is racist. Like I said F SA lol

[balmy wolf]

@reef seal dude during skirm yzn come on top

[reef seal]

who is he gapping

[toxic rapids]

But the main point is OWL is overrated

[hard forge]

ur point was that yzn was their best player, im saying not true.

[balmy wolf]

That's why they made him play

[reef seal]

he is not gapping a singular korean or chinese dps player

[reef seal]

some players are bad but the players at the top are not overrated at all

and this world cup win doesn't prove anything

[balmy wolf]

He does daily in comp ....

[reef seal]

ranked is not a metric for skill

[toxic rapids]

Ight we gotta have the conversation about OWL is just a worse version of EU Contenders

[balmy wolf]

Since overwatch 1

[reef seal]

especially when he wintrades and minmax

lmfao

[feral zodiac]

??

[toxic rapids]

This was literally the main point

[reef seal]

and he is not gapping any korean dps 😭

[feral zodiac]

He actively doesn't gap them lmao

[reef seal]

this is some crazy delulu rn

[balmy wolf]

He played against owl .... you guys didn't watch his stream

[reef seal]

are u talking about when twisted minds scrimmed

[feral zodiac]

Ok buddy

[reef seal]

and that OWL team was literally trolling

and playing fkn ball

really smart

[toxic rapids]

Okay WC doesnt prove it then wtf does? OWL? Same dudes in OWL got clapped wtf we talking about lol

[balmy wolf]

Mostly he does but yea sometimes he lose

[reef seal]

OWL proves it yes?

OWWC is not comparable?

it wasnt even SK's best roster

they have fucking sparkle

[feral zodiac]

It's like, the same as in regular sports

[toxic rapids]

Bruh China lost and SK lost bruh

[reef seal]

YES LOL

[feral zodiac]

Teams are infinitely better than national teams

[hard forge]

wait i have a question, how was he able to get rak one on all servers?

[reef seal]

pharah is op on ping

because u cant dodge the rockets

[balmy wolf]

I mean proper would reckt anyone if he was in any team

[toxic rapids]

Team USA in basketball when they send their best talent no diffing people bruh

[robust patio]

esports channel ded

[reef seal]

also im assuming mr. yzn also minmaxed and traded

[robust patio]

no more ow esports soon

:(

[hard forge]

whats min maxing in this case?

[reef seal]

ok so in gm

[balmy wolf]

Dude that's a cope, you can hardly even fly correctly at high ping, it's tougher to play phara

[reef seal]

you can queue with gm4 if youre gm1

so you get into worse lobbies

[pearl gale]

min maxing is yznsa signature move

[hard forge]

yes

[reef seal]

lets say you queue into gm2/gm3 lobby

[hard forge]

OH YES I WAS THERE FOR THAT

[reef seal]

and ur duo is a good player too

[reef seal]

thats not how it works

at all

🤣

[pearl gale]

hes gonna min max so hard with next comp update

[hard forge]

he asks his viewers for a gm 4 or 3 account to give to legendary (his duo)

[reef seal]

I know

[pearl gale]

duo with bronze 5

[reef seal]

LMAOOOOO

[hard forge]

i thought that was to reduce queue times!

[reef seal]

its not

[hard forge]

i didnt know it did that

[reef seal]

its for easier games

now u do

[balmy wolf]

Don't worry Saudi funding will basically save you

[reef seal]

thats why anyone who understands the game doesnt like him bc its cringe and makes ranked lose its integrity

[hard forge]

yes LOL

so a top 500 gm1 player can literally queue with gm4?

i didnt knowww

[balmy wolf]

Yea flying is not important as phara, I just wish you can try playing phara in asian server

[reef seal]

yes

u can have two rank 1 level players on ur team

but one is on a gm4 acc

so its just free game

[hard forge]

dude and going up the ranks in top500 is only win dependant from what i know

[balmy wolf]

Just download server switcher m8

[reef seal]

going up and down is only win dependant

[reef seal]

I literally play

[hard forge]

like the lobby mmr isnt taken into account then?

[reef seal]

on the korean server

I play on the hardest server

in the game

[hard forge]

oh thats fucked lmao 😭

[reef seal]

what are you trying to say to me

[pearl gale]

some guy is rank 1 with 50-7 record, they gotta be min maxing right?

[reef seal]

I play vs the best players

[balmy wolf]

Where are you though ?

[reef seal]

For sure

[feral zodiac]

Errrm acshaly Australian server very hard yesyes

[reef seal]

maybe trading as well

[robust patio]

im literally in korea too :)

[pearl gale]

saudi min maxers taking over console as well now

[reef seal]

[hard forge]

oce hardest server! just look at these queue times it must mean its super high rank!!!

[reef seal]

my region, bahrain, and OCE are dead regions

for gm at least

[balmy wolf]

In telling you I want to see you take advantage of High ping as you claim

[reef seal]

bro

respectfully

you do not understand the game

[feral zodiac]

The hardest challenge is the wait

[reef seal]

stop trying to disprove something you have 0 clue about

pharah is broken on ping

because you cannot dodge rockets

that is a fact

F A C T

let me spell it out for you

[balmy wolf]

I want to see you win on phara on high ping

[toxic rapids]

Everybody gassing up SK players and saying they just trolling yeah and China was trolling too I GUESSSSSSS

[balmy wolf]

Since its advantageous and easy

[robust patio]

based flag :)

[reef seal]

I cba attempting to explain

talking to a wall

[feral zodiac]

No KSA just better ez

[hard forge]

unironically they kinda were...they forced dive 😭

even trolling with dive they almost won tho soooo

[reef seal]

people are gassing up the KR and chinese players because they are the best in the game man

how many times do I have to say it

[hard forge]

lemme repeat!!! im a ksa supporter

but cmon now

if dive was meta guxue eats

[reef seal]

ur telling me if china or korea play and scrim sigma comp they wont smash saudi arabia?

do you actually believe that?

[reef seal]

Real

[hard forge]

meta differences between regions are OBSERVABLE, so meta favours certain regions!

[reef seal]

very true!

[hard forge]

u can see it in top500 leaderboeards!

[reef seal]

yes every region is diff

[hard forge]

i like to see the different heros sometimes

guys im learning

im soooo hitting diamond

[feral zodiac]

Region difference has been noticeable since OWL started

[reef seal]

goat

[toxic rapids]

Bruh people overrate OWL. Okay lets say that KSA is better than YZN. Still doesnt prove that OWL isnt overrated. OWL is only considered legitimate cuz they slapped "pro" to it. The best players on OWL is literally former EU Contenders players that got a bag thrown to them thats why they left

[reef seal]

LOL

[feral zodiac]

Wharr

Owl is like 90% Chinese and Korean players

[reef seal]

Oh mah Lord

[reef seal]

cuz they are the best 💀

by far

[balmy wolf]

They lost world cup

[feral zodiac]

Nah I'm better

[toxic rapids]

And yet the EU players are the best in OWL

[midnight fjord]

Yeah, because china can only play dive lmao. They are a dive otp team

[reef seal]

no theyre not

[balmy wolf]

Kevster got shit on by yzn

[reef seal]

rofl?

[balmy wolf]

Kevster got destroyed and diffed

One of the Best owl dps

[reef seal]

kevster isnt one of the best dps

?

[balmy wolf]

Whaaat ?

[feral zodiac]

If kevster was Korean he would get ignored

[midnight fjord]

Crazy that Saudi got a world cup before china. Feel vad that they lost at scnd place 3 times tbh

[balmy wolf]

Literally one of the best tracers

[toxic rapids]

We have seen this song snd dance before. Im glad OWL is no longer a thing cuz if they was all that lets see in actual tournaments not some pampered golf club

[reef seal]

unfavorable meta

if it was dive vs dive saudi is losing 4-0 in 20 minutes

[balmy wolf]

I feel bad for china cause that's thier last esport game ever in ow

[toxic rapids]

Yes cuz Meta is the only thing that matters and not skill

[feral zodiac]

Wait fr?

[pearl gale]

Meta is important

[balmy wolf]

Yea its banned there or something

[toxic rapids]

Bruh you are the Doc Rivers of OW coaching lol

[reef seal]

Meta is very important

You have 0 knowledge on something you comment on

And you flame me instead

Are you real?

[balmy wolf]

Overwatch Esport is dead in China and those are the last good players

[midnight fjord]

Yeah, and if it was double flier comp witj yznsa and lbbd7 they would obliterate china on. The mirror comp lol. Of course china wins in mirror dive. Cuz they are a dive 0tp team

[toxic rapids]

Meta is important but if meta is the single biggest thing to why you lose then you deserve to lose

[reef seal]

china are obliderating double flyer comp

fyi

yzn isnt good fyi

lbb is not as good as quartz or yoobi

fyi

[midnight fjord]

Your smoking bro

[pearl gale]

Didn't samito/lhcloudy team beat them lol

[reef seal]

im just talking to a wall

[midnight fjord]

Lbbd7 is way better then youbi bro

[reef seal]

I cba

[balmy wolf]

I mean you said kevster is bad so I don't need to hear anything from you tbh

[reef seal]

so saying kevster isnt one of the best dps

means hes bad

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[pearl gale]

What nation is kevster

[balmy wolf]

You know what I mean

[reef seal]

no I don't

[balmy wolf]

Sweden

[reef seal]

because you have 0 point

you are making

[midnight fjord]

Kevster and Kai gets rolled by yznsa in comp everyday Tbf 😂

[toxic rapids]

Yes and Cloudy isnt even the best EU tank player lol

[reef seal]

because you are just factually wrong

[balmy wolf]

Asian owl players also in American and Asian servers

[toxic rapids]

Okay then prove it. Cuz you just dismissing actual factual things cuz "OWL BETTA"

[reef seal]

you have made

0 factual points

0

[balmy wolf]

Literally just watch any yzn montage, you will find biggest names in owl

[reef seal]

and I have explained it to you

Ranked is not a metric for skill

[toxic rapids]

Okay that I disagree montages aint shit

Actual gameplay does

[balmy wolf]

I mean they say he didn't play with owl, it's like quickest prove

[toxic rapids]

But WC is lol

[feral zodiac]

Sadge

[midnight fjord]

I mean, yznsa rolled sauna on echo mirror against Finland couple months ago. And yznsan fucked up vestolas tank

[reef seal]

Finland

F i n l a n d

[balmy wolf]

Islamic communism defeated real communism yesterday

[hard forge]

he plays eu tho? most owl players i see are on NA idk idk

[midnight fjord]

Yeah, who beat korea, and gb 3:0 lol

[reef seal]

OWL players are back on korea

[feral zodiac]

Islamic what now 😭

[toxic rapids]

You couldve said any other tournament lol

[hard forge]

"communism"

[balmy wolf]

He play in contenders

[reef seal]

can you guys explain to me

how OWWC is harder

than OWL

[midnight fjord]

Islamic communism 😭

[reef seal]

Please

I want to see the reasoning

[toxic rapids]

Yeah but EU players play US alot as well

[robust patio]

its not ye

[reef seal]

Ofc its not

SK can field 3-4 roster

just in OWWC

[feral zodiac]

Nerf SK

[toxic rapids]

😂 bruh wtf stick to main point lmaooo

[feral zodiac]

Make them touch grass

[midnight fjord]

Finally u are back lmao. Where is saudis world cup now? 😂.

[hard forge]

idk alot of the time yzn queues up with legendary on a gm3 account, and yells at whoever poor mercy he gets.

[toxic rapids]

And all of them getting clapped from their A Team to their D Team

[hard forge]

in eu or na, both lobbies aint shit

[reef seal]

why are all tehse new saudi arabian fan accounts new discord accounts

[weary talon]

China would rather die playing winston genji than win playing sigma bastion and that’s based as fuck

[reef seal]

real ^

[toxic rapids]

Make no mistake though F SA

[midnight fjord]

No they would rather play sigma but they are just total garbage at it lmao

[balmy wolf]

That's thier favoured comb

[hard forge]

i think they got muted or kicked so they left and rejoined. idk about thirdworldist thou i think hes just also new, i havent seen him start shit

[robust patio]

goodjob saudi has 1 wc 😂

[feral zodiac]

China when forcing their preferred comp doesn't work for the 3 billionth time

[reef seal]

Probably

[balmy wolf]

Brawl European superiority won the day

[midnight fjord]

How many does china have? 😂

[reef seal]

cuz they all type the same way have the same horrible takes

[pearl gale]

good rein team wins

[weary talon]

It doesnt take a genius to play bastion symmetra

You know that

[reef seal]

if china learns sigma comp its 4-0

like waht

[hard forge]

guess who they get them from

[reef seal]

they just want to play dive

[balmy wolf]

Its actually hard to be good at brawl

[reef seal]

the goat YZN

[midnight fjord]

Sym is high skill ceiling and they played quartz on sojourn majority of the matches

[weary talon]

I love brawl but thats poke and poke is braindead

[hard forge]

[balmy wolf]

Finland was the best Brawl team, thier dps and support have been playing Brawl before you were born

[robust patio]

im korean btw

[reef seal]

actualaly the best team for anything is the koreans

if they actually try to learn it

[balmy wolf]

Yea that's why they won

[reef seal]

because they are individually the most talented

by far

not even a comparison

[midnight fjord]

Ik but you wanted china to win one lol. Still stuck at 2nd place afterall

[toxic rapids]

Yeah and if I could be 7 foot tall I could play in the NBA or If I could be 6'4 300 pounds of muscle I could play in the NFL. Bruh stop with the ifs and the what ifs

[hard forge]

I wonder why certain regions are better overall

[balmy wolf]

Thier incapability to adjust with meta is thier failure

[reef seal]

I really just dont think they care and just want to force dive

which almost worked

[hard forge]

like what stops spain, for example, from having a Lip or Shy

[reef seal]

even though its way easier playing sigma comp

rofl

[hard forge]

what stops mexico from having a guxue, yk what i mean?

[toxic rapids]

Yes and all that talent got them bounced bruh

[split flume]

Korea has a huge existing infrastructure for esports

[reef seal]

thats not their best team

[split flume]

Its taken seriously and considered a viable career path

[midnight fjord]

We saw Koreas sigma comp. Hanbin, lip and sparkle got hard diffed by clowd, sauna and vestola mirror

[reef seal]

• if they played sigma comp they are murking everyone

[hard forge]

alrighhhtt that makes sooo much sense

[balmy wolf]

Then that's just playing to lose, I don't think so though, I think simply they preferred to play something they know very well over something they didn't skirm a lot

[midnight fjord]

They literally played sigma comp and lost lol

[reef seal]

korea had players who could play sigma comp

and who

are the best at it

[pearl gale]

if usa had flats on rein they would of won final 4-0

[reef seal]

they just were not present at OWWC

[toxic rapids]

You said they have the most talent? Even if wasnt their best team why couldnt they win? If they got all these OWL talent?

[reef seal]

you are deliberately being obtuse

there is 0 reason to explain it to you

[balmy wolf]

Thier incapability to put good players at the right place is also thier fault

[reef seal]

That is the coach issue

[split flume]

If team SK was Florida mayhem + fielder they don't drop a map

[toxic rapids]

Yes and if the UK had Chazm as Ball everybody getting rolled lmao

[hard forge]

kr region does have the best talents, thats just known. otherwise why would they dominate owl "american" teams?

[reef seal]

real

[toxic rapids]

Ah yes the tried and true blame the coach lol

[reef seal]

I would pay 1 million dollars to see KSA beat florida mayhem on sigma comp

[hard forge]

but team to team u have players that r better than others

[toxic rapids]

And yet SK still lost. Im not even capping for the US lmao

[midnight fjord]

They would. Vestola, sauna, clowd best players in eu rn. And masaa is just crazy

[reef seal]

theres no point explaining draw

[toxic rapids]

Im american myself but I refuse to have this delusion of the best being in OWL and OWL only

[reef seal]

these guys are not interested in learning

[hard forge]

bro, even toronto defiant who used to be a full american roster, caved and the SECOND the two korean contenders players joined the,, they started winning

[split flume]

Did you watch Florida play

[reef seal]

none of them watched how outlaws or florida play

at all

[hard forge]

you... you didnt read what im saying? ur missing the point.

[split flume]

They had better coordination on the sigma comp two months ago than anyone in world cup

[hard forge]

i said sk REGION not team

thats the point klombus tried to tell u but he gave up i think

[midnight fjord]

No they didnt. People described Saudi and Finland sigma comp as unbeatable

[reef seal]

hopeless

[midnight fjord]

In scrims

[hard forge]

he said sk, OVERALL has the best talents. these best talents were NOT on the sk team roster

[split flume]

Florida dropped like two maps the entire owl playoffs

[toxic rapids]

Ah mg mistake got your take confused with someone else thats on me. Still though if they got all that talent though why did they lose WC?

[hard forge]

simple

[robust patio]

my point

[reef seal]

They legit did not bring

the OWL winning sigma team

to the world cup

[midnight fjord]

Mate china literally has the best of the best players like top of all and lost. No one better could play in team china

[reef seal]

like u give them fielder its done

dont need anything else

[robust patio]

kor can make many rosters but ksa not so many

[hard forge]

bad management, possibly financial issues, no one knows

doesnt change the fact!

[reef seal]

just because a team loses once or twice doesnt mean theyre bad thats just not how it works

[split flume]

Yeah I just checked

[midnight fjord]

Saudi can make some rosters tho. Quartz can play all Hitscand and sym. And youbi sym mei tracer. Ksaa can play all tanks at crazy level. Diva, sigma, Queen, ram

[toxic rapids]

Yup. Being the best and losing qualifies you as not being the best IMO

[split flume]

Florida dropped two whole maps in owl playoffs

[reef seal]

yeah

they are farming SA

[hard forge]

brother.

please, comprehend.

[reef seal]

SA is losing vs mayhem in 20 minutes

[hard forge]

read and understand what im saying first

[midnight fjord]

Lol they won against prime china

[hard forge]

"prime china" in a non dive meta lol ok

[reef seal]

[toxic rapids]

Sureeeeeeeee

[reef seal]

is this your first time ever watching professional overwatch

[midnight fjord]

That china team were the best of the best and u still somehow talk about Florida mayham. China literally had the best player in every category

[reef seal]

can I ask

[hard forge]

im so confused? i got called "subhuman 70 iq" yesterday cuz of my rank

[robust patio]

they can make max 2 teams kor can make more than 15

[split flume]

Team China got 3-0'd by the Houston outlaws

[hard forge]

yet...

[reef seal]

and outlaws got 4-0ed

[midnight fjord]

Can i guess. Was it lage?

[reef seal]

by mayhem

LOL

[hard forge]

bingo!!!

[midnight fjord]

Lmao

[hard forge]

yes xD

[midnight fjord]

Always him

[toxic rapids]

Bruh I promise you he is just going off pure what ifs and patriotism and thats coming from me. A dude literally serving in the US Army lmao.

[midnight fjord]

They can easily make 5 team comps bro

[reef seal]

I am not korean

I am just stating a fact

[hard forge]

me? i only got into it after ow2
but its soooo interesting

[reef seal]

Not you

[hard forge]

i love learning about team comps and strats

[toxic rapids]

Yes you are american coping for OWL which is an US based league

[hard forge]

anyways quartz diff yall

[robust patio]

the rest 3 would be weak tho

[reef seal]

bro said coping for OWL

[split flume]

What is blud waffling about

[reef seal]

you have 0 braincells

[midnight fjord]

Bro you were the one that said chiyo said he was not trying against Finland the first match 😂 when they barely won. Then they got rolled by Finland

[hard forge]

💀

[reef seal]

chiyo literally said in an interview

they were not comming

[toxic rapids]

Sure Doc 🇺🇸😎

[reef seal]

till they were losing on FP

That is what chiyo said

himself

[hard forge]

WHAT THE FUCK IS A KILOMETERRR

[reef seal]

Neither one of you have played in high elo nor do either one of you actually watch overwatch league

or ever have

and you are trying to tell me I am wrong

[midnight fjord]

Excuses probably. They lost again with comms now tho

[toxic rapids]

Ight Im done trolling lol imma get some food lol

[reef seal]

[toxic rapids]

I never made this many people mald in a while

Lol

[hard forge]

me when i get ganged up on:

[robust patio]

ksa won cus its their meta lol, if the meta is different idk if ksa can make it to finals

[midnight fjord]

I TOLD EVERYBODY SAUDI WILL BEAT CHINA AND FINLAND WILL BEAT KOREA. YALL CALLED ME CRAZY

[split flume]

SK not taking their first game against Finland completely seriously and then Finland stepping up and hitting above their weight in their second game are not mutually exclusive facts

[balmy wolf]

And they get surprised why they don't get new players

[reef seal]

no man they tried their heart out

Obviously

[toxic rapids]

Dawg if you look at my pfp it is literally a bunch of US troops and one of them is me lol. Lol Im always team USA lol

Fuck all the other countries

[hard forge]

'MURICA, RAHHHH!

my favourite pasttime as a foreigner is american patrionism

patriotims

the word

[reef seal]

patriotism

[split flume]

Super and rupal can't carry a bunch of shitters unfortunately

[hard forge]

thank you

[reef seal]

super doesnt play anymore either

so its rlly just rupal

[hard forge]

patriotism 🇺🇸

[balmy wolf]

Freedom vs Islamic communism

[split flume]

I mean yeah anyone expecting super to be on par with an owl playoff tank after not competing for two years was maybe a little delusional

[midnight fjord]

@robust patio told yall

[hard forge]

shlawg what are you on about

[reef seal]

That is delusional

[hard forge]

tf is islamic communism?

ksa??

[split flume]

Still my goat

[balmy wolf]

It's when state does stuff while being muslim

[split flume]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/607272322210070696/1143161653265956874/irishjig.gif

[hard forge]

u mean sharia??

[balmy wolf]

Dude has the drip

[hard forge]

what? i ma confused

[midnight fjord]

Capitalism dosent work in developing economies

[split flume]

Silly little man doing his silly little jig

[midnight fjord]

Socialism is better

[reef seal]

!!ontopic

[young fractal]

This channel is only for serious, on-topic, discussion. For general discussion, please use #general-discussion.

[balmy wolf]

Exactly, that's my goal

[hard forge]

thx

[hard forge]

still gapped midluge

[robust patio]

i never denied that lel

[midnight fjord]

Bro u said wait until Saudi plays china

[robust patio]

and?

[midnight fjord]

I waited

Nothing happened

[robust patio]

ksa has better comp meta ofc

[midnight fjord]

I mean, china 3:0 usa on the same sigma comp

[robust patio]

china used sigma? for usa?

[midnight fjord]

No usa used the same sigma comp and got 0:3 by china

[hard forge]

coluge sig? yea ofc

[robust patio]

of all the world cup finals, it was always one sided

but this wc

[hard forge]

"best sigma in the world"

[robust patio]

ksa barely won

[midnight fjord]

Super played sigma vs china lol

[robust patio]

it wasnt a dominant game

[hard forge]

SUPER PLAYED SIG?

[midnight fjord]

Yes

[hard forge]

duuuude 😭

[midnight fjord]

And they got rolled

[robust patio]

if u look at wc finals its always 3-0 or 4-0

[hard forge]

i missed ot

it

[robust patio]

this year was prob the closest final

where no one dominated

[hard forge]

in my eyes that makes it the best

[robust patio]

yes

[hard forge]

china was legit this close to winning

[midnight fjord]

Bro why did the korean coaches throw Quartz on cassidy 😭. They liteeally threw first map

[robust patio]

they didnt

wt are u on

[midnight fjord]

Yes they did

[robust patio]

proof

[midnight fjord]

They played cassidy

[robust patio]

lol

ksa won cus of korean coach ig

[midnight fjord]

Nah

[hard forge]

?

their coach is saudi, no? he spoke after they won

[robust patio]

they have a korean and denmark coach

[midnight fjord]

The coaches threw the first map by having Quartz on cassidy lol. And they threw 2 Maos vs Finland by having Quartz on sym. This was just Saudi arabia that won because of them

[bronze vapor]

little pig little pig

let meeee in

[midnight fjord]

They tried the coaches picks and they lost. Then they went the classic sigma comp and won

[bronze vapor]

they cant orisa

they saw USA try that

[robust patio]

blaming coaches when they are losing and not thanking coaches when they are winning

[bronze vapor]

and lost

[robust patio]

classic

💀

[midnight fjord]

No i blamed them when we are losing and winning lol 😂

[robust patio]

ok

[midnight fjord]

Oh i read wrong

[robust patio]

💀

[midnight fjord]

Why did even shy play hanzo last map lol. He kinda threw

[hard forge]

they full capped with hanzo iirc

so he probably thought why change if its working

[weak frost]

yeah shy went crazy with hanzo on blizz world

[weary scarab]

yeah but i didnt feel the pick on route 66. him on sojourn was much better

[slow tapir]

np

[earnest leaf]

Hanzo is good so long as he gets random headshots

[feral zodiac]

Hanzo is too luck based

China really couldn't win fights without nanoboost

[wind girder]

Guys look at this Lama (this is esports related)

[weary scarab]

hes pretty much a genji otp

but hes good on other characters aswell

[feral zodiac]

He hard fed half his fights

[weary scarab]

bro quartz melted china in push

it was crazy i just rewatched it lol

they won like 5 teamfights in a row

[weary talon]

Leave is one of the greatest flex dps of all time

His tracer genji echo are all world class

[weary scarab]

yeah but he shouldve switched the genji tho

[weary talon]

Yeah

[weary scarab]

he trusted his nano blade too much

[weary talon]

But team china had no coach with them so they just stuck with what they knew

[weary scarab]

they dont need a coach tbh

rolled korea and usa ike nothing

[weary talon]

Every team needs coaching

[weary scarab]

and is it confirmed they got no coach_

[weary talon]

They rolled usa because usa played sigma comp so passively and they won vs sk because they’re the best dive team

But ksa is really really good on sigma

And figured their pace out

[weary talon]

Yes , their coach couldn’t come because of visa issues

[weary scarab]

damn

i would not say saudi coaches helped that much tho lol. cuz they pretty much gave 2 maps to finland by puttign quartz on sym and put quartz on cass vs china lol

[tepid ibex]

No way you just called leave a genji otp 💀

[weary scarab]

i did

switch the character vs ksa

if u dont wanna be caalled a genji 0tp

[tepid ibex]

If he ran echo into the bastion that would be stupid and tracer would be doing nothing against the sigma comp

[weary scarab]

bacially a 3 trick

[split flume]

Smartest KSA fan

[tepid ibex]

He’s an OWL mvp and one of the best flex dps of the game

[weary talon]

Though im curious

Why didnt they try ball

[weary scarab]

the ball would get nothing done

[weary talon]

Ball poke comps

[weary scarab]

4v5

[weary talon]

Ball echo mercy ashe zen

[split flume]

Illari makes echo a nonfactor and bastion/sigma obliterate ball into the next dimension

[minor ledge]

Hey i had a question

does anybody know how to get the Overwatch world cup name cards for ksa ? Or just in general
Where they a twitch drop or something

[tepid ibex]

No

You had to buy the bundle

[robust patio]

Leave is not a genji otp 💀

[reef seal]

none of these people have watched OWL

I am convinced

all of a sudden they are avid watchers of T1 after OWWC

Its not real

[balmy wolf]

Yea owl is trash

[zealous inlet]

I haven't watched owl but it seems like a fraud

Korean top OWL lineup losing to Finland just some random contenders players

[reef seal]

not real

[vale cobalt]

they havent opened 1 owl game

talking about ow esports

[keen abyss]

honestly I was thinking pelican and leave were just not having good days for their losses but is it really a coincidence that 2 of the best fdps of all time specifically had rough games forcing genji into the sig sym comp

[reef seal]

ikr

[left vortex]

my god, 8,500+ Chinese players went to offline party for OWWC

and they watched CHN 2-3 KSA

I spend a total of 15 hours in 1 of these offline parties and it's worth it

[reef seal]

Holy

[left vortex]

The overall experience was like, a fire burning non-stop

I have pictures and videos but is unable to send them here, my + icon stays gray, can anybody here help me with this

[left vortex]

i mean not a 8,500 big hall, but 40+ of offline parties all around the country

[feral zodiac]

that wasn't the top korea team lmfao

korea has actively put out mid rosters for the past 3 years

the players do not care

[robust patio]

the only time they put out the best rosters were 2018 too

[feral zodiac]

the fact that sp9rkle was somehow in that team is bonkers

[weary talon]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/s/xDiGpbS8Mv you cant deny the bias blizzard has towards ksa though even if they are good players and deserved to win

[robust patio]

u got fleta libero carpe fury fate Jjonak

[weary talon]

Like

Bumper got banned from owl because he threw a qp game

[feral zodiac]

cloudy got banned for actively calling it out

which speaks volumes

[robust patio]

i wish there’s 2024 owwc

[reef seal]

Real

[weary scarab]

yeah saudi arabia players have been pretty toxic. but reminder that here are teams in world cup that literally has concentration camps on muslims (china) and they are still able to play while russia got banned fro esports

[reef seal]

I aint even gonna comment in response

[robust patio]

cus saudi didnt commit a war crime genius

[weary talon]

Thats true the player’s represent their countries but they’re not responsible for the ouighour genocide but they’re responsible for their own behavior

[weary scarab]

yeah. so russia shoudlnt be banned

[weary talon]

And they can work on their own behavior

[weary talon]

Yes i agree

[weary scarab]

huh?

[robust patio]

yes russia shouldnt be banned

blizzard takes in political issues too hard

[weary scarab]

saudi players are toxic while china is literally a dictatorship that helds concentration camps and they can still play

[weary talon]

Yes but the are they responsible for it

[robust patio]

only reason why china got invited was, they have a shutdown law in china but had great owwc history records

[reef seal]

its bc its a us run company

[robust patio]

i mean supercell

also bans cus of political

like they should take politics out from

esports

[meager onyx]

Huh?

[weary scarab]

ehh depends. do you think north korea should be able to play?

[feral zodiac]

I don't think this is a fair argument

[robust patio]

i dont think they can even

join chrome

[feral zodiac]

the Chinese players aren

[robust patio]

💀

[feral zodiac]

aren't in control of their government

Saudi players are in control of how they act

but it's same in that Russian players should be allowed to play

[tropic herald]

Specifically in the ow scene

[weary scarab]

they are representing their country which is a dictatorship that holds concentracion camps on muslims and people focuses on some saudi being toxic lol. ban the country that are commiting war crimes irl

[tropic herald]

The players on team China

Are some of the fruitiest in the whole game

[feral zodiac]

Chinese players are not commiting war crimes

[tropic herald]

So it’s easy to like them

[weary scarab]

they are representing their country who is

thats my point

[robust patio]

lol representing country = dictatorship ???

[feral zodiac]

if we take this argument with every country in the owwc you would literally only have like 2 countries left

[weary scarab]

representing a country who is a dictatorship yes

[robust patio]

wat

[weary scarab]

if russia isnt able to play china shouldnt be

either

[robust patio]

china didn’t create war crimes

[tropic herald]

It’s a very special case in ow

[reef seal]

Real

[tropic herald]

Also

Guxue

[meager onyx]

Why not get 197 teams for owwc. Every country

[weary scarab]

there is literally documented 1 million muslims in concentration camps in xinjang right now

[feral zodiac]

bruv the san marino team would literally be plat players

[robust patio]

._.

[cloud latch]

I literally saw china 2-1 and was like "we win that" and left

I don't even know the score now

[reef seal]

SA won

[robust patio]

3-2

[tropic herald]

They wrapped up a 3-1 victory

China won <3

[cloud latch]

in my headcannon china won

:P

Idc

[robust patio]

this is the first time, no one dominated in the finals

[tropic herald]

Leave finally got a title

[feral zodiac]

bringing up war crimes in response to a country having toxic players is crazy

[meager onyx]

[tropic herald]

Guxue finally won World Cup

[cloud latch]

can't believe leave got finals mvp

[tropic herald]

No more second place finishes

[cloud latch]

shy got owwc mvp

[weary scarab]

if only shy didnt go soldier on flashpoint and hanzo on last map. they couldve won

[robust patio]

2016 2017 2018 2019 all had either 4-0 or 3-0, this is the first time no one dominated

[feral zodiac]

leave finally won something

[weary scarab]

shy hard threw on soldier no pressurse at all

[meager onyx]

Did they even have an mvp player

Like voting for one

[weary scarab]

no

[feral zodiac]

Idk

[robust patio]

insane

[feral zodiac]

should have been KSAA or Quartz

[cloud latch]

actually way

[meager onyx]

Ksa or majed tbh

[feral zodiac]

no wait KSAA

[cloud latch]

guxue should get finals mvp

[feral zodiac]

quartz threw first two maps

[weary scarab]

sirmajeed is also a pick tbh

[robust patio]

ksaa is not getting mvp after c9 💀

[feral zodiac]

never let quartz near cassidy again

[weary scarab]

bro he hard carried on the other maps tho

[tropic herald]

Watching Majed on illari made me so mad bc that hero just is unreal Majed is a good player but watching the things you could do on that hero was just like

This went LIVE

[weary scarab]

he literally deleted guxue on bastion lmao

in push

[pearl gale]

Ksaa definitely not mvp

[feral zodiac]

true

[robust patio]

ksaa c9

[feral zodiac]

the sigma pic was why Saudi won

[robust patio]

defo not mvp

[pearl gale]

Ksaa not best tank

[feral zodiac]

i won't hear otherwise

[pearl gale]

Not even best sigma

[rugged quest]

vestola real mvp

[feral zodiac]

sigmas entire presence was so huge for saudi

[reef seal]

cuz its broken

and not that hard to run

[feral zodiac]

true

bUt wHY DiDNT cHiNA ruN iT

[robust patio]

chn vs kor was the most entertaining match. no sig

👍

[weary scarab]

nah

[robust patio]

“nah”

even ur yzn

[tropic herald]

Bastion is just boring I would say

[meager onyx]

Why was super on the sig and not coluge. Just thought abt it

[robust patio]

agreed

[tropic herald]

Otherwise the comps were fine ish

[weary scarab]

the reverse sweep was way more entertaining. just watching the china fans fall down slowly 😂

[feral zodiac]

team vietnam are my goats

2016-17 only babyyy

[tropic herald]

Coluge shat his pants the day before, couldn’t play

[robust patio]

using sig

boring

[weary scarab]

nah based sigma

[feral zodiac]

blame blizzard for the meta being boring

[meager onyx]

If it's not rein monkey it's boring and invalid

[cloud latch]

is that real chat

[robust patio]

if meta changes to dive ksa isnt reaching top 4

[feral zodiac]

not the players

[weary scarab]

saudi arabia copied flats tier list into a comp lmao

[feral zodiac]

if my grandmother had wheels

[weary scarab]

ksa can play 5 comps minimum lol.

[robust patio]

🤣

[robust patio]

ok 👍

[feral zodiac]

ksa are not a good dive team

[rugged quest]

Yeah but we arent nearly as talented on dive

[weary talon]

Big love to ksaa and sirmjaed they’re the goats

[meager onyx]

At the end of the day better team wins. If you can't flex onto whats good gg

[rugged quest]

we emea players just dont have the genetics

on monkey

[feral zodiac]

there's no denying that dive meta would have 100% been a China win

[tropic herald]

[feral zodiac]

but meta wasn't dive

so L

[reef seal]

KSA can only paly one comp

and KSA will get railed on dive

if u think they will win on dive

versus korea nad china

[rugged quest]

Thats just the name of the game

[reef seal]

you need to have your brain checked

[robust patio]

exactly

[feral zodiac]

they got the right comp in the end

[tropic herald]

My goats

[weary scarab]

im not talking about dive. quartz can play all hitscans and sym, ksaa can play all tanks except the dive ones perfectly, youbi can play mei sym, haku lucio/mercy, lbbd7 echo, pharah bap, sirmajeed, bap, illari.

[robust patio]

even if they can play 5 comps, only strong comp they can play is sig

[reef seal]

that legit means they can only play 1 comp

[meager onyx]

...and china got railed on poke. Which is what the meta was. It goes both ways

[reef seal]

😭

[rugged quest]

The question was about if the meta was dive

[feral zodiac]

BUT YZNSA GOAT WHWRE YZNSA MY GOAT WHERE HE RANK1 24435596 MY GOAT NUMBA 1

[rugged quest]

but thats irrelevant anyway, blaming meta is weak

thats how the game works

[weary scarab]

yeah of course because we have never played dive. using meta as an excuse is not it

[rugged quest]

sometimes meta favors one team over the other

deal with it

[feral zodiac]

real

[reef seal]

even if u practice dive for 5 years you will never beat korea or china on it

straight up

just being honest with u

yeah

it was the perfect meta for them

[weary scarab]

yeah same with kore and china on saudi arabia 😂 literally played overwatch their whole life and got roleld by saudi sigma

[reef seal]

sigma is op

beat them on the easy comp gg

[feral zodiac]

bro the Saudi players have also played overwatch their whole life

KSAA has been around for years

[weary scarab]

yeah but the meta isnt dive now so who cares lol.

[robust patio]

i dont understand blizzard changing patches after qualifiers like. if they are gonna change it, they should let rosters to be changed

[weary scarab]

china has placed 2nd place 3 times now lmao

[vale cobalt]

would 😳

[weary scarab]

someone told me there isnt a world cup next year or something

[feral zodiac]

they probably got paid to spice things up

[meager onyx]

Image if carpe was Chinese. Broski would live in 2nd

[feral zodiac]

ow esports has been dead and buried for like 4 years

[robust patio]

skorea still #1 in ow ranking so im chilling

[weary scarab]

world cup is the only entertaining tournament tbh

owl been dead

[feral zodiac]

owl died after goats

[weary scarab]

i feel like many more fans get into overwatch during world cup

[feral zodiac]

yeah but it never stays afterwards

cus owl is so boring

[robust patio]

saudi and usa needs to earn 3more world cups to dethrone korea

[meager onyx]

Idrk what qualifies as "dead" but Id say owl was doin ok

2022 finals was hype af

[weary scarab]

and china needs 4

[feral zodiac]

Ireland will win next owwc

[robust patio]

they have the 2nd place curse lol

[feral zodiac]

I will play for Ireland and we will win owwc

[robust patio]

ill cheer for them

[feral zodiac]

masters reinhardt player >> pro players

[rugged quest]

For the amount of resources 120k peak viewership or whatever is bad

[weary scarab]

finland>korea

[reef seal]

play the next meta comp that will take very little skill and ego everyone

[weary scarab]

sauna sojourn>lip sojourn

[feral zodiac]

I would absolutely do this and never shut up about it

[robust patio]

it was their meta ofc

[meager onyx]

They had hanbin

[feral zodiac]

does this mean Finland = China

[meager onyx]

You can't make excuses for sk

[feral zodiac]

Sp9rkle.

[reef seal]

KR.

Literally.

[weary scarab]

it was not their meta before. they just were the best teams that adapted to it. finlands best meta is the diva meta

[reef seal]

Did not bring their team.

That won the Sigma meta.

in overwatch league

Versus the best players

[robust patio]

cant believe russia is 6th

[weary scarab]

vestola diva is top diva eu

[feral zodiac]

eu is bad washed regionLLLLLLL

epoo

[weary scarab]

eumiddleeastafrica

[rugged quest]

Russia isnt strong these days

[feral zodiac]

real

eu carried by non eu nations

[robust patio]

canada 2nd place twice

china three times

[feral zodiac]

how on earth are russia that high

[robust patio]

2 2nd place

[feral zodiac]

shadowburn goat

[robust patio]

finland has no 2nd place

[feral zodiac]

this is like putting Brazil number 1 cus they have most wcs

[reef seal]

I wanna see mayhem vs KSA so b ad

would be the funniest game ever

[feral zodiac]

when r iran getting an ow team

Iran vs KSA would be limbs

[reef seal]

are they banned from OWWC?

[weary scarab]

iran is probably banned

[robust patio]

well that wc starts every 4years while owwc happens every year

[weary scarab]

heavily sanctioned by usa

[feral zodiac]

naur

battle of the middle east would go hard in owwc

[robust patio]

i wanna see israel vs palestine ow

[weary scarab]

palestine would destroy them tbh