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BRO ITS SO TRUE
this is true yea
and we still haven't got a reply from miller about how he let this happen
he hasn't made a good decision other than the 3 week break for the season 6 patch
and maybe stopping the op jq meta into oql
owl
at least
let o2 play playins
holy fk
spark got to finals
they got
playoff
o2 blast got nothing
spark deserved
cringe league
guang not deserved
im just saying
spark got to finals
just like o2
they got the chance to go to playoffs
look at o2
they dont even get the chance to go to play ins
or paly offs
after being in the finals
i know its contenders but
as long as they're in the league
shouldnt they treated equally?
its all about cash fr
i get ur point
i think that is what everyone thought the format was the winners of the two brackets get to go to playoffs and then then rest of the owl teams go into playins, it was a bit annoying that the contender teams didn't get a 2nd chance. the worst of this came when they announced that spark had gotten their playoff spot without even getting to the finals and that is when the anger started
its not confirmed yet
chengdu hunters the only team left
lol
at least let them play playins holy fk
WAIT
SHANGAI IS QUALIFIED FOR PLAY INS TOO ?
HAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
no fkn way
yes
Is owl playing on mid season zarya/jq buff patch
no
they will be in playoffs
yes
tho they still using jq a lot
even for west playoffs
they prob use jq more after
and orisa less
idk
after zarya buff and orisa nerf, we prob wont see orisa that much prob
125 > 100 overhalth is still a nerf
One who does not learn from the past, is bound to repeat it
like look at this
you say this
not deserved
it does affect her a lot
Orisa came out, was weak, had some numbers changed, became meta, then those numbers were nerfed, fell out of meta, got rebuffed pretty much the same things she had before, got nerfed again… now we see
Is dynasty still able to go play offs
anymore
i saw the post and then made this post https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/16ez0zi/rant_about_the_format_and_sean_miller/
xd
they have to win the playins
which they should with their current performance
How does that work
no
Is there a bracket for it
Last time fortify got nerfed from 125>75 and gun falloff was nerfed from@25>15, she instantly became super weak
orisas entire strength relies on her fortify, its what makes her unkillable or weak
atl reign gonna win grand finals it seems like
Orisas probs gonna go from S tier to A tier
nerf shift
S
Junker queen is S now
I seriously though owl was on new patch rn becasue Junker Queen is being played so much lmao, why the fuck does blizzard buff Junker Queen and not someone like roadhog
????
Were gonna see Junker Queen only meta on control, flash and push
So fun
they realised how many complaints they got back then in ow1 when hog was
immortally broken
?
oh let me repost it with new stuff
I miss hog meta
it was u who posted it ?
yeah
i saw the infernal reactions and was pissed
well same
i miss 1shotting dps
from across the wall hehe
i think atl or florida gonna win the finals
i pinged miller with the post as well
@sean_mmills
I am guessing you have been seeing a lot of this cause you deserve it with how the format is in the east and cause I can't type what I want to here i hope you read this and understand why you are getting the hate.#OWL2023 #OWLGrandFinals
https://t.co/Fri2UJ9Gv3
lol
retweet it at him
i quoted and tagged that person
cuz large majority of the community hates hog meta
- their stance on hog is prob that they will keep hog shit until they rework him like promised
so in about 20 years
hog as a hero itself is garbage
hes not fit for 5v5
thank god rework is on its way
been on its way since s2 btw😭
West play-ins and east play-ins are not predictable right?
you mean pick ems?
yes they're not predictable
that's what they said for mid-season 2
then season 3
then it went silent till s7
now they gave exact time
are u not listening to me lmao
yes you are able to predict play offs
they confirmed mid s2 and s3
i mean
blizzard
what do u expect
they said rank needs a major update
now they said its start of 2024
soon is like in 4-5 months up to years
indie company
They meant next non leap year, so its 2025.
They'll make up an excuse for delaying it a whole year
because they will
Im convinced theres people sabotaging blizzard from the inside
also when a map is disabled or a hero is disabled bc of bugs, owl teams still use them right?
In games
bro enemy did an illegal start in my scrims on circuit royale no one said its illegal start 💀
they didnt care
kinda rude
it was so funny tho
mei wall and tp or it was lifeweaver
LMAOOO
reiner said on avast's stream that shock is one of the few teams that believes that all a team's issues start with the tank
and if that's true it makes all the fuckery between max and junbin make a lot more sense
?
oph
oh on reddit
yeah
i dont know
dumb comment by him
like xd
SURE BUDDY
who cares
as long as they're in the league
they should be treated equally
reply to him then
LOL
i dont have a reddit acc
i will never create one
too toxic
"teams qualifying through reg season logical" charge went 1-7 in summer reg season 💀💀
fun hero
Yes
mcd discrimination on bilibili again
💀
translation?
Decay!!!!
All we need is Boston to c9 three times on map 2 
university will be our best map tbf
Chat said Admiral Ajax
Yeah i see, crazy
says something along the lines of “hangzhou spark was right in hiring mcd: they got two seasons results for one seasons salary”
mcds performance this season was so bad it’s like he’s actively helping hangzhou spark, thus two season’s results
isnt mcd the one who made the xenophobic coments a bit ago
Yes
OJ
HADIIIIIIIIIIII
THE PIN HAHAHAHA
DECAY GOT HADIED
WHAT WAS THAT PIN
OMG
HADI!!
POOR DUDE
IS BOSTON OK
IM NOT WATCHING
Its even
i feel decay rn, i've been there
1-1 its 68-60
is decay zarya a thing
no?
decay is on genji
NOOOOO
…
backbone always looks like hes about to sneeze
hes just british
we're all like that
phew
Genuine q
Nice london
that was great
d
have you seen dacay zaraya
lets go
hadi is just the rein king'
@hasty hound
imagine decay zarya vs proper zarya
the only time i remember decay zarya was during goats right
no
what a charge
just a hypothetical
i want profit zarya back but dynasty have void
kalios hit max sr on zar
midtown over numbani
i think we go to map 5 minimum london probably win push
wait what about kings row why is no one oplaying kings row
did they not see london midtown
I havent seen kings row in owl in so long
is it in the pool
not in pool
Its so much better
iw was in the pool in the spring sstage
its playoffs map pool no?
is the map pool diff for play offs?
i just didnt notice oasis at first and got confused
yep
Atleast we have lijiang in this map pool
but i didnt get to see hadi rein on kings row
is it announced
playoffs or playins?
offs
aight
oh my
lmao
that should be an achievement
teleport 100 people in one game
what would it be called?
backbone
after the owl player
backbone
who uses sym alot
i missed first map and this happens when i watch imma hop off
yea kinda
they cut down the time bank well tho
he was getting healss
FUCK london
perfect lucio gameplay
sto;l
L team
i wanted to make this joke here but i couldn't post an image, so i just made a tweet about it
still confused that they didnt play sym
he was being 2v1'd and winning
thats so mean 😭
lol they thing that checkmate is a better mei
they playing sym now it over
"can we watch mer1t and checkmate?" should've used a hadi and sparkr screenshot
hadi is just budget checkmate
greatest rein player of his era
i love the way they utilize sym
what team do you support
justice
you mean alphayi the team?
I just hate the london promotional video
poor thing
I mute everytime
lol
A bad earworm
the team that got fucked
I just hate London for that video atm
ult economy in shatters
decay has blade
what one?
by 2023 owl champion hydron
lmao
decay is not going in there
um
spitfire would b e doing well if it wasnt for orisa here she eats so much damage
yes you can?
He is looking inside and seeing the 2000 scenarios where he istantly dies
its a hitbox from the sky
he wants to, he knows he cant
you can shield it
you have to shield the sky
I believe
yeah'
it can land besides the shield
then they just shoot in
necessary evil
u have to get lucky since its a rectangle
maybe it broke
for like
the .3s it takes
to shield the shot
Fucking jumped Hadi
yeah
he wasnt even looking at the sky
his demons
oh then i have no clue
LMFAOAOOAOA
that stagger
Lmao London 
LMAOO
was baddddddddddd
SMURF WAS PISSED ABOUT THE STAGGER FROM LAST ROUND
Justified bullying
what was his name the dva player that was staggerd a lot on hanamura
titans one
theres no point
frdwnr
/frd
A lot on em had that happen but Mc gravy n frdwr was worst
how did hadi live that
what a shield play
lets see if birdring can land this one
He can lol
how many cooldowns is this blade gonna bait
my guess
is 1
ALMOST GOT PINNED AGAIN
HE WAS SO SCARED
Lmao they kill landon/birdring IMMEDIATELY after window drops
Crazy a support that won a grand final plays better
they should have the cameras in order like DPS DPS TANK FLEX SUPP MAIN SUPP
flex supp and main supp is the only difference
just because
London cant keep getting away with it
London did better there with sym than mei tho so I hope they use her more now
Maybe thats pushing it
Maybe they get lucky with the playoffs meta
Like rein meta?
Yeah mei buffs
london is going to shiver in fear when checkmate rein comes out in playoffs
In rein rush
Against florida?
Chadmate
London does not beat Boston here no shot
depends on maps
they would be immortal
even if boston wins here ronto asswipes them
I’ve seen a s4 clip of checkmate when he had to play in oge’s plays they roll out on lijang market , he sees the enemy comp with doom rein and just charges in and dies
We’ve allready been over this alfie
someone with FIELDER CHIYO would be actually unkillable, he would just run over the enemy team
least surface level owl analysis
?
im gonna keep winning !!
This would be good if they didn't add 480p clips
Bostons video is hypeeee
No
Apac imo is 2020 na format
london's wincon is strong tp engages/out rotating and chasing everyone down with giant number heroes
so the team play is more apparent
O2 Could've won the knockouts, and still not even qualified for play ins
WTF is the point of it
It makes no sense dynasty beating infernal and o2 benefits less dynasty than infernal
boston's comp is a lot less linear so the teamplay is less apparent as wincons come down to individual cds more and the flow of that
just dont do it at that point
Sean miller moment
Is this a new hype video???
They will play monkey
yes but the thing is their teamplay is still worse than spitfires on their rush, thats been seen especially on map 1 with izayaki just getting picked on his own
O2 could have only made it if they beat seoul that’s it
guxue has been playing doom too iirc
N spark fucks don’t sleep on em
Especially leave
that man hasnt lost it
especially on echo
Fact!
Team!
and mmonk
actual facts]
Imagine it chendu just put all their players on spark instead of splitting em between spark n gzc
I mean
Leave jinmu on tracer sombra ok i guess
but on this current meta
ionthinkso
I just mean keep the og spark bois and add the rest of cheundu would be even more op
Leave and jinmu belong together as a dps duo
The only thing i see changing is xerneas for legnsa maybe, otherwise the roster stays the same
Hard to root for one against the other
Main ngl
Tbh I miss ameng
Same
believe it or not
That's the only thing I'll probably ever agree with you about zero
Damn decay still fucks
Lol we’ll see
london chokefire 🔥
They got baited
i was so happy when he got signed for dynasty, and then he got dropped, and now we're here, he's out of the league, because of this WICKED FORMAT
Its hard for me to believe
Yeah I get u
that boston is like the 4th best team
in the owl
and some mfs just pick their comfort picks, and still win*
probably wi
n
ljg and birdring them
My point for spark was make a super team like other are imo Boston /atl/ to name some
*probably
Birdring is playing bastion ult a bit better than sparker
Honestly not a shock it’s his og main outside of widow
i think he is also playing it quicker
like he places them quickly
while sparkr takes a bit longer
Honestly like in ow2 rn, if you blade a zen with trans, he shouldn't even use it, he can discord kick hs body shot, boom ur dead
ljg is fighting for his life out there trying to not get staggered
I think using zen ult and not being able to place discords is dumb
this is a great point to get a 5k on
I do have to say sparkr sym is so clean
idk why i feel that way, jus tlooks like it
hes on bastion
lol
Miss type lmaoooo
no but when sparkr does play sym he is very good
I was typing n listening

BIG AJAX
ANOTHER AJAX
Major bag
if they had beat they would have got that fight
i'd log out
Right just uninstall
This is a good game tho legit fun to watch
it wont every be a 3-0 with boston
this map will be close every little bit of the way
its not cause boston london keep making small mistakes that lose it for them
Boston are beating them in the brawl pretty consistently
Sheeesh
bnah point 1 and 3 shouldve been ours
NOT ANOTHER AJAX
Diffed
Smurf playing like he’s geting revenge for shock lmao
Holy smurf
This looks very scary, is mayhem in the play ins??
no?
Thats enough OW today admiral
smurf 👑
poko zarya would be good rn
put sauna lucio in
decay genji has been nibbling a little
The stress is getting to admiral
Smoking that rein one-tricks pack
lonodn needed to win that
Ooof
hadi and friends looking a little fragile
now boston can force route/ dorado in map 5
if it goes to map 5
Crazy thinking Boston would lose
Bye bye london

I hate this stupid horse
The whole meta is stupid
Orisa gameplay zzzzzzzz
It's not dive with whinston anymore

No more tracer sombra

I really liked the winston dive synergies tho
It’s lasted almost 2 years
what
any comp with bastion is mind melting
We're to playing goats?
Not consisty but evey other meta was winton diva
Bastion being meta is just so annoying, me and 4 randoms playing moira kiriko hog widow hanzo do not have enough coordination to get him when his turret form is over, we're just gonna get melted
Bastion honestly is refreshing ngl
needs a nerf or i might cru
But with a j
Joats is better than whatever this meta is
Lmao what bois been mid af for years he’s fine
is that twilight wandering around in playercams
I prefer bastion to sombra
Argee
bad sombra players are funny though
What is backbone singing
Like if you’re team can’t contor that’s kinda sad
it is sad
i’m duo support queue
about to be in bronze and i want to sob
because silver dps are blind
yes, but atleast most sombra players are shit at overwatch, ALL bastion players are shit at overwatch, but you can be shit and still get value as bastion, while you need to be somewhat conscious to get value from sombra
it’s defiant and uprising getting to playoffs right
london and washington
Bro what
Thats a take 2/9 of the voices in my head agree with
Most likely
did i just hear the intro music again
uprising and spitfire/defiant
well what i predicted was that ATLEAST they were going to a map 5 because london would win push
lets see if i was right
i did not see that nade for 1 second
it just exploded
Best metas are the neice one or one trick player comps not just rush or dive
i saw nothing
The worst meta to play against imo was the 2022 playoffs meta, no other one comes close
wow decay
honestly a ball meta would be nice
dont quote me on that
it could be a sombra meta too
yessssssssss
at the same time
hadi almost pinned into a fully charged orisa ult lmao
hadi playing ball...
all i can think about is a ball meta
all of the teams can play ball no?
junbin ball, gaga ball, fate fearless hadi donghak
so many good ball players
he has a good ball
"Is that a bird a plane?" casters idk about that hadi is litteraly stuck on the ground
how
hadi cant fly
atleast we think he cant
god dude hadi is just so fucking good at overwatch i cant
has every single bastion ult from birdring gotten an imor?
wow
oh no izayaki
how did that even happen
thank god
they have sym wall and bap
Crazy ass tp but wow
ukt
cmon boston
wait players use the team gun buddies i just noticed
ggs
Byeeeee
ggs
just better players
it was a good try
LETS GOOO
MY GOATSS
fuck yeaa
london made a few tooo many mistakes
HOLY
👏🏽
that was sucha good mathc
Good job london
That was a great try
We gotta say it
That was great for a team playing rein
genuinely hope they get to playoffs
if they were a little quicker they had that
tf are toronto gonna do?
Damn that was close
Birdring?
This could have been a map 5
It still would have been a map 5
Hahaha
If london won this
Their was no way London would ever get more than a map over a high teir team
This is why I hate push
I just wanna see london vs florida
will they respect the mirror
rein mirror on kings row
someone vs hadi
the dream
we all want it
When would they play Florida?????
We're you watching the same game as us?!??
This was close
playoffs
I mean not really was 70-30
if i could see that game, i would die in peace
Lmaoooo never
I’d bet legit money on it
london gigachoked 2 maps
Yes
if sugarfree goes genji
They gave a good fight at least
That happened last defiant vs titans game and they still lost

in a loser picks map format london can get 2 against pretty much anyone if everything clicks
Fight
THE PAST IS THE PAST
Time to copium cheer for titans
Focus on the present and future
they almost beat houston?
I don't feel like they choked the last match. They played it right at the end. And the team fights were back and forth
Anyone?????
i said pretty much anyone
U really think they can get a map vs atl
The past doesnt matter
do you know what pretty much means
Yes
In this meta yes
Vancouver got this
Sure if they throw a map
maybe mei to counter decay a bit more?
London is like Top 5 west team
Only way
IM A ATL FAN AND I COSIGN THAT
Vancouver 3-1 easy
Or top 6
nope
lmfao?
they lose 3-1
toronto is going to roll them
atlanta havent looked nearly as convincing as they did during spring stage
remember than one time on oasis, i think it was university, altanta vs london, atlanta tried to mirror the rush, lost university, immediately went back to dive and barely lost 1 point of a map after that
toronto is a legit top5 west team in this meta
LETMECOPE
The only thing I wanna say is. Decay has been doing a good job of denying the washed aligations. Cuz when he was on fuel.... man I thought his career was over
who has won the last two canada matches huh
washedington justice
And playing reaper at odd times
and that meta was way better for atlanta than the current one AND the maps where predetermined
Imagine gator just hops on to play rein in london vs atlanta
It's a new meta plus sombra giga nerfed
i know that
Man imagine atlanta had an actually top tier tank, i love dong, and hawk, but like, ur playing against someone and fearless almost guaranteed, you need a really really good tank to match that
i wanna talk about a ball meta again
all of the teams would be better off
since theres a lot of vvery good ball players
on a lot of the teams
also ameng would have a job again
almost all apac teams have a very good ball player lmao
except the 2 best apac teams
maybe not forget that
junbin can one trick ball in peace
Toronto won't leave titans alone bruh
What no?
battle for roty
dps
Sugarfree heesang or spectra
all very good candidates
?? battle for canada
well heesang is iffy
they’re both canadian teams no
yes
but whats gonna happen is that sugarfree and spectra will just carry fights on their own
Thats my guess
honestly i wanna say
Piggy and choi
got done dirty
what were they thinking
ok what about frogger? why is custa the best now? he didnt even do it against frogger
we need a round 2
it was best australian OWL player
Toronto is gatekeepers there being 2 good Canada teams
Battle of the mid does not seem soo at least atm
Day n night with this team I swear tg
Defiant are throwing so hard
Titans actually 2-0 😯
YOU DARE TO DOUBT ME
NEVER AGAIN
Vancouver playing the start of season 5 meta, but with orisa instead of monkey
colluge goated
hmmm
majed is kind of a problem
coluge too
hydron is like a mosquito
annoying
but weak
Colluge on the sigma seems much much stronger for the defiant
watch this
5k nanoblade
nothing will go wrong
how did faith kill hydron
no the helix should've killed him
this makes no sense
hahah
majeds ults are so funny
what is he thinkin
wtf
heesang>hydron
annihlated
sugarfree and faith on a whole vacation back there
Toronto so easy
No sweat at all
Titans are actually doing it 🥺
Titans after losing to Toronto twice got sick of their shit and started practicing to counter them
Mhmm
Faith is pretty good at lucio
Faith potm imo
even if they loose
HE GOT AN ENVIRONMENTAL ON SURVASA
Thats a first
Heesang on a mission
coluge lmao
ult economy on sticks for both teams
He got too distracted he forgot he had to actually play the game
BOOSTIO
ok how does heesang get kills randomly sometimes
he just appears where the script says he needs to be at
and gets a kill
faith too
Heesang kinda funny this map
past me was cooking
Its crazy how you can play your defense perfectly, get good ult cycle going get picks and ana just purples two and everything crumbles
Possibly reverse sweep?
ok its new queen street, it ends this map, 3-1 end the battle of canada in canada
has to be it
Didnt défiant like look notoriously bad on push this seaosn
Escort draw what? thats possible?
Yuh
how
Both teams same distance
if neither team moves cart to start the game or following a checkpoint
same distance isn't actually possible
Ok that never happens
Wdym
or smth
Same distance the team that gets there second wins no?
ah yeah
if its on the animation
after capping
that u cant stop
it draws
the game uses weird logic and somehow arbitrarily decides a winner
I believe
So its random
or it tracks position in some weird way that makes it almost impossible to draw without forced animations
Tbf that doesn’t matter much since having same distance outside of checkpoints never happens
I thought it was like, that distance is marked as what needs to be reached to win, so when u reach the same distance, the team that went second wins
Yeah
like how it is on push
If its checkpoints ot is for both teams and if both teams get off the robot its a draw
past me called it
like how on push you have to move it .0000000001m after capping point to win right
same thing for escort
It occurred this season i think
Was it shockvs glads ?
I think it was
its the same thing for escort just
cause the cart doesn't get forced to stop
it's harder to do
like
impossibly hard
You can draw escort?
yes
Escort as in dorado
For it to draw must it be 3-3
What time is it?
no
is it nanoblade crutch time=
if it's 3-3 a draw won't happen
It's either the exact same distance (nearly impossible without animations that occur after some points are capped)
or no distance gained at all
Punk doom?
