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#esports-discussion
vale cobalt
he got money
earnest leaf
also viol2t is much more flexible than shu
vale cobalt
the guy played both main & flex what a player
cloud latch
and dps
vale cobalt
rly?
vale cobalt
WHEN
cloud latch
it was like shu dps
earnest leaf
he diffed birdring on dps
cloud latch
not great
vale cobalt
he diffed birdring on dps
how did i miss it
cloud latch
wispy yacht
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ed-zT5v1sqE
thats why he's the goat
also mirror zarya was fucking stupid dpei is on the crackpipe
earnest leaf
ah s4
when people said choi was literally not able to play zarya because he hadn't played it the year before
or didn't play it much
earnest leaf
he did and they won a stage with it
wispy yacht
he was so good
outside of dps shock had the best on every role
in that meta
brig is debatable
but they had the best ana, monkey, and arguably zarya in that stage
earnest leaf
people sometimes forget s3 shock were not a fair roster
wispy yacht
s3 shock is like atlanta rn
earnest leaf
it took a fringe genji meta to take them out ( came within 1 fight of beating the winners that stage)
wispy yacht
you just couldnt beat them
wispy yacht
it took a fringe genji meta to take them out ( came within 1 fight of beating th...
also the fact that they literally almost beat paris without even playing the meta 😭
crusty said the meta would be sombra tracer or tracer ashe and he was just completely wrong
and they somehow still managed to go 5 maps against an eternal who were riding the hype of a genji meta with a genji prodigy
honestly its cool shock lost bc we got absolute cinema https://youtu.be/YPj_4m2Do0k
weary talon
Shanghai was the better dive team in 2020 fr fr
wispy yacht
fr (they played london and chengdu 700 times for an inflated win record)
weary talon
I think
If we look at all owl seasons since the beginning
What would the best teams be
Over all 6 seasons
wispy yacht
prolly just the champions of each season
weary talon
If we had to pick 3
wispy yacht
nah i dont think 2021 shanghai was the best
wispy yacht
perfect team if fate wasnt ass
no way you said this
earnest leaf
2020 shock was probably the most well rounded and strongest roster to exist
wispy yacht
did we forget how underwhelming fleta was in 2021
earnest leaf
they had triple tank/support which covered every hero in each role
weary talon
2020 dynasty were also crazy
earnest leaf
they also got to play 1 meta effectively for the whole year
wispy yacht
im more concerned about the fact that you said fate is ass
little echo
2020 dynasty were also crazy
😦
wispy yacht
fate was the reason they could run this ball comp
earnest leaf
s3 shock had to go through like 4 different metas and was the best at almost all of them
little echo
they also got to play 1 meta effectively for the whole year
they were the goat in the hardest meta to play on a macro level oat
weary talon
Would we consider this season’s reign into the convo?
little echo
im more concerned about the fact that you said fate is ass
if fate wasnt ass they mightve won mm
wispy yacht
shock best goats team, best double shield team, best double bubble genji team, and best hog team 💀
weary talon
Probably not right
earnest leaf
this year's atl is hard to judge
since the format is so fucking ass
and the meta hasn't really changed
little echo
it goes s4 shanghai s3 shock s2 shock
wispy yacht
if fate wasnt ass they mightve won mm
they won playoffs rho
little echo
nah
wispy yacht
bc nobody is there to support fearless feeding
wispy yacht
yeah brig zen
little echo
and also the reason they won that was the macro not fate being a crazy ball player
wispy yacht
the reason they were able to run it was bc fate could play ball
at an elite level
sure fate doesnt have like chazm ball mechanics
but he showed he was much more comfortable on the ball than fearless initially was
little echo
the reason they were able to run it was bc fate could play ball
dawg
if you put like 4 other mts on that shanghai team
they would still win
at least
wispy yacht
and fate's playstsyle meshed with moon's philosophy
wispy yacht
that's like saying "if you put gesture on hog for shock they still win"
weary talon
and they win gf
Belosrea fr fr
wispy yacht
vastly different playstyles
little echo
that's like saying "if you put gesture on hog for shock they still win"
the dragons would have had literal months to coach the fearless ball
earnest leaf
guys if you won a grand finals with a certain player on tank, wouldn't it be a great idea to drop them and then use a dps player in their place for tank instead
just a funny thought
little echo
player quality and play style become exponentially less of issues the longer a meta goes on
so for a shorter term shift
like hog sig
obviously its a bigger issue
little echo
player quality and play style become exponentially less of issues the longer a m...
(as long as player has brain cells)
wispy yacht
fair
i still believe fate is a great player
cant discredit him bc he played in a perfect system
same thing as underrating donghak rn bc he has the best backline and dps in the league
little echo
not having fate wouldn't have been a giant issue in the ball dva meta but not having fate would've been a good thing in first 2 metas
the thing that makes a player good is just like
willingness to learn, mental, and mechanics
and then there's a bonus of pre-existing knowledge
from more experience than anyone in this server has besides that sparkr guy
(for a meta that has months to develop)
now its a bigger issue in the shorter term format of owl but if you know fearless has a weakness on ball come like
summer showdown
when you can still run other stuff
to certain degrees
and have success
grind ball
do like 2 blocks of fearless ball
and pull up to owl on monkey or sum
wispy yacht
seems kinda dumb to scrim one thing and play another imo
little echo
well
2 blocks is like
40% of your scrim time
lmao
40-50
and at that point in the year
regular season wasnt the issue but being a complete team with very few holes was
for shanghai
espec. given they win may melee with fearless
so they have 1.5 million league points
already
like I would be meta proofing fearless and fletass
if I was 2021 shanghai
in that scenario
little echo
well
fuel dont have fearless then
so they def do
if were cloning fearless its very close
but possible shd win
wispy yacht
fuel dont have fearless then
they pick up smurf troll face
little echo
if fearless and fate swap shd wins may melee cdh wins summer showdown and fuel are 2nd in playoffs
those would be the changes
actually
cdh fuel is a very close summer showdown
wispy yacht
they have jecse tho
the only mid player on the roster
i feel like fuel would lack the fire power to beat cdh in a ball meta
esp against mvp leave, gaga and yveltal brig
little echo
the only mid player on the roster
fielder zen also wasn’t title level in ss
by any means
its still close but prob cdh win
wispy yacht
yeah but jecse was consistently mid
little echo
true
little echo
his bap was good his zen got good his moira and ana were elite
like his zen by playoffs was p good but not like
elite
wispy yacht
which is why they flopped
little echo
tbh
they flopped cause they weren’t dedicated internally to just otping ball stuff
which is what was required to get everyone super good in that comp together
like I think the second you scrimmed rush substantially
it was joever
vs shd
wispy yacht
apparently fielder had a nasty bap wtf 💀
little echo
his bap was good but like
all of the good baps were the same except alarm and shu
who were above everyone else
wispy yacht
true
little echo
it was like
- shu
- tier break -
- alarm
- tier break -
- like 4 bap players
alarm was very underrated in s4
cause fusion looked so bad
prob top 2 zen bap and top 4-5 ana of that year
wispy yacht
sado gaming
wispy yacht
i didnt watch much of apac in s4 so i wouldnt know
little echo
like the backline was better than fuels in some metas but then you’ve got like
the worst macro in owl
at times
absolutely 0 idea what that team was doing half the time
vestal grotto
wispy yacht
lastro is technically a ms
vestal grotto
It's babel or lastro
wispy yacht
he's been played in that position for the past 2 seasons so
i think babels getting dropped
bro is just lost half the time istg
cal was a good pickup
wispy yacht
who's the leaker
hasty hound
Apparently proper had four 5ks on Gibraltar vs spitfire, on different heros too
Bro did not want to lose 😭
unique root
ya it was so weird but insane to watch
hasty hound
Proper should get potm even if he loses tbh
karmic charm
hi jae :3
north relic
prob top 2 zen bap and top 4-5 ana of that year
top 1 ana
hasty hound
who is cal
bitter marlin
clearly a random zen who they trew a bucket of purple paint over
karmic charm
whats this
for steam im gonna assume
bitter marlin
featuring "gameplay"
shell cedar
Some guy in gladscord
Whos alarm
vestal grotto
...
vestal grotto
Whos alarm
limpid grail
https://twitter.com/OWCavalry/status/1683565595160109065
first 10 seconds of the video showing how kiriko disables rein's entire kit
nice
karmic charm
vale cobalt
HUH 87
north relic
Would have been top 3 flex supp
1
maybe a worse bap than shu but clears on everything else
fixa lucio alarm brig during joats might have been the best support duo to ever exist
karmic charm
is fixa legit a good ms player i thought everyone was trolling last year about it
north relic
is fixa legit a good ms player i thought everyone was trolling last year about i...
hes the goat
mortal cipher
lol
karmic charm
static pond
Wast he ass on tornto?
karmic charm
next they're gonna get a kr ms 😭
karmic charm
I'm not defending any vegas player lol
karmic charm
I'll defend malthel but that's bc the hate he got was fucking stupid, like yeah he was not good at all but some of the hate he got was not warranted
like there's a difference between calling someone ass and the things ppl would say in yt chat etc about him
static pond
Final a hs?
karmic charm
I meant the old ones
little echo
fuck avalla
little echo
I know 43 female managers > avalla
karmic charm
fuck avalla
based
chilly mauve
ik he played tracer
cuz i remember
outlaws beat the fuel 3-0 first match up
and then lost to toronto
cuz of twilight and him abusing my dad
north relic
ik he played soj cause people were talking about how shy isnt good by referencing how finale gapped him 😭
finale wasnt good
chilly mauve
i mean is he gonna be replacing dove?
maybe on sombra tracer but hes a fdps player no
actually nvm
we are in a double fdps meta rn
not including tracer sombra
north relic
yaki kevster szn
lone spoke
fuck avalla
what'd she do
mortal cipher
has been a crap gm since 2022
north relic
she supported this president that hated woman or something
mortal cipher
Going back to 2020
mortal cipher
she supported this president that hated woman or something
i think besides that because that kinda is outside overwatch besides 2020 / 2021 she hasnt done great
north relic
2020 rush carried
2021 she didnt do anythign most likely but got credit for it
has she posted her side
little echo
2021 she didnt do anythign most likely but got credit for it
2021 people have attested to her doing stuff
north relic
2021 paris success was a myth
little echo
but it was work ethic not brain power or rhetorical things that she did
in that she ran trials for like 100 hour weeks
shit human being with shit skills but has work ethic
also gets shagged by finnsi so that’s cool I guess
plush grail
my guess is that avalla just put herself first
makes sure she gets a check and gets to stay
and will lie to get the money
chilly mauve
first one is rush
second one is avalla
hundred percetn got carried
oh wait lemme use the actual image
plush grail
why are u comparing rush and avalla???
avalla is a gm and rush is a coach
are u okay
little echo
the best things I can say about avalla are that she has a work ethic and fucks my guy finnsi
plush grail
avalla does signing and contract stuff, rush did coaching for the team???
actual schizo
north relic
rush 100% got all the good players on the team
plush grail
also yeah
rush had the em boys
getamazed had the europe boys
ofc the results will drop off
little echo
avalla had the signing of smex
plush grail
thats not related to avalla
little echo
to her name
mortal cipher
we appreciate the attempt
icy kestrel
I like raspberry racers I just wish they wherent named after a marble race team
And a music person
I love there icon is there a way to get it
light briar
Guys what does bastion 10 mean
I got a 34 to 4 kd on bastion and someone on my team said bastion 10
icy cedar
bastion 10 (never heard of it but I'm baby in ow)
rugged quest
hollow briar
Even if they do
earnest leaf
esports bubble popping
hollow briar
The teams will probably still say no more OWL lol
earnest leaf
big suit and tie people realizing esports is burning money
static pond
Nah
The ceo was ass
They were paying for unnecessary stuff
And people that don’t even represent the brand
Snoop dog
stray quarry
What happened to the sfs mansion
static pond
And snoop dog son
little echo
esports bubble popping
honestly
its not even an esports bubble
its a bubble on high level gaming streaming and content
earnest leaf
that too yea
little echo
faze clan and other failing gaming orgs not only had failing esports ventures
earnest leaf
the inflated numbers from covid are slowly falling
little echo
but the main source of their money like faze banks his crew for example
that shits just dead
deceased
gone
cause that content is not in favor anymore and neither are things like
faze "whatever good fortnite player"
from 2018
making faze money
when was the last time someone got signed to a gaming team as a streamer that wasn't for a grassroots thing like moist's org
static pond
but the main source of their money like faze banks his crew for example
They were playing nick the streamer a 1 million just to join
1 million salary
static pond
Nothing wrong with the D-O-double G
Well he wast doing anything all he did was take one pic with a faze chain and that was it
He didn’t represent faze what so ever after that
hollow briar
Well he wast doing anything all he did was take one pic with a faze chain and th...
Ok and
Snoop still better
limpid grail
yeah
wispy yacht
Is this true lmao?
Twitter
rustic roost
big suit and tie people realizing esports is burning money
or maybe
just maybe
faze was run horribly
earnest leaf
that too
slate siren
cedar oasis
No
vale cobalt
piggy's worth is too big
let him join houston
the best deserves the best
omg so good
junbin and the hamster HAHAHHA
twilightttt
why are u so sad
fierce vigil
I mean he probably going to lose his job next year so....
vale cobalt
...
weary talon
I mean he probably going to lose his job next year so....
Like everybody on this pic
plush grail
I mean he probably going to lose his job next year so....
twilight will always have a job as long as ow esports exist
he's been doing this shit since 2016
fierce vigil
Damm true well Idk
plush grail
even if owl stops
there will always be teams that want a top tier flex support who has 7 years of experience
vale cobalt
https://twitter.com/CDHuntersFacts/status/1683622265185869824?t=XplvToc6NKEmrg6n...
...
sullen berry
https://twitter.com/CDHuntersFacts/status/1683622265185869824?t=XplvToc6NKEmrg6n...
Why am I not surprised this was the catalyst for him
hasty hound
https://twitter.com/CDHuntersFacts/status/1683622265185869824?t=XplvToc6NKEmrg6n...
Oh!
rugged quest
https://twitter.com/ShanghaiDragons/status/1683816364438609920
not one multikill in that montage
plush grail
https://twitter.com/ShanghaiDragons/status/1683816364438609920
solo emp in a highlight montage yikes
vale cobalt
mortal cipher
rugged quest
eu contendies gonna have some good matchups today
balmy wolf
What happens to contenders once owl shuts down?
stray quarry
https://twitter.com/CDHuntersFacts/status/1683622265185869824?t=XplvToc6NKEmrg6n...
realest guy ever
weary talon
OWLEL 523 3/8
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owlel.zusor.io
chilly mauve
heavy scroll
what happens to contenders if owl dies?
vale cobalt
https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/158cy4u/fun_fact_about_at...
houston strongggg
tawdry hamlet
uncut drum
Where did you see this
Dw just saw the leak
Sad for choi
Hope he gets another team
slow lake
What the hell man
rugged quest
what the fuck
why would they replace choi
hasnt he be performing? I havent watched east during this stage
he looked like an absolute top10 dps in the league lock before mdm i dont get it
someone has to be trolling
feral zodiac
what happens to contenders if owl dies?
Dies as well for the most part
Contenders is just the pathway into owl
hasty hound
hasnt he be performing? I havent watched east during this stage
Hes their most consistent player
rugged quest
Hes their most consistent player
yeah i dont get it
thats my view of him too
he underperformed against dreamers but other than that he has been top notch
mortal cipher
Choi has been underrated since he joined the charge and has been the main reason they’ve been relevant post Shu Happy Eileen
heavy scroll
Dies as well for the most part
Unfortunate
mortal cipher
Yeah
feral zodiac
I don't see much of an esports presence in overwatch now that owl is ending
Game hasn't got the pull it did on release
And by esports standards it's a really dull game to watch
paper totem
Why is sombra good with queen
I play a lot of queen and it honestly feels nice having a tracer or sombra and I see league doing but I don’t understand it
I guess it’s kinda like dive sorta where they collapse on target with queen. But queen won’t get blown up by monkey if she stays in a fight longer
tropic herald
flankers are good rn
u can have it so that one person gets shot from like 3 distinct angles at once with tracer sombra
paper totem
u can have it so that one person gets shot from like 3 distinct angles at once w...
My question is what queen is offering there Vs monkey with that
The sustain I guess
paper totem
League runs queen somb tracer so I’m trying to know why bc I initially thought queen was better in full rush with reaper mei etc
tropic herald
also i think teams have realized they wont win in the monkey mirror and queen is a decent char so they try her instead
sombra tracer is just really strong
in teamplay
paper totem
in teamplay
I mean so are reaper and mei in rush comps like with ram in league
Queen is the exception. I think of her as a brawl tank
tropic herald
depends on the map
paper totem
But never brawl Dps with her
paper totem
I mean you could play mei with queen and wall/rush like ram comps do it as well
tropic herald
you can but
walling queen isnt particularly great compared to how much value walling ram gets
queen can kinda play her own game
feral zodiac
Queens self sustain lets supports do way more in the damage department
Plus anti heal is just nice
heavy scroll
not really
Just thinking about the teams already in and how it all ending/rebranding will affect them
loud elbow
Why is sombra good with queen
sombra also counters winston, and counters ana as well, ana shuts down junkerqueen brawls so having sombra mitigates some of the risk with running junker brawl comps
hot onyx
kenobi about to wake up to oceanic 9/11
chilly mauve
My question is what queen is offering there Vs monkey with that
Queen is a threat to anyone
There’s a range where no one on the enemy teams wants to be in
It’s like a queen “killbox” area
Tracer and sombra are also hard to focus down
making your team pretty hard to focus fire and kill a target
regal bough
Twitter
stray quarry
gzc is taking the 6 mil
hasty hound
and running
gaunt acorn
surely everyone is
stray quarry
kicking out all the coaches so they can split the money between 5 people
xerneas confirmed they were leaving owl anyways
honest hollow
and there are some other reasons
mortal cipher
The charge are cooked
honest hollow
there is gap between east and west teams
charge know this well
and what's really interesting is that members in charge now are all from Chengdu Hunter
earnest leaf
the s4 shock chengdu playoff game?
earnest leaf
they played in s3?
earnest leaf
oh that's s2 then
earnest leaf
ah makes sense
slim haven
when are the owwc playoffs
earnest leaf
november I think
uncut drum
they have owl to finish
uncut drum
slow lake
Crazy how OWL has flopped. They probably just didn't want to pay to house Korean players and just went full chinese because GZ is leaving OWL for the 6 mil.
Went full budget with 5 Chinese players and no coaches.
vale cobalt
Crazy how OWL has flopped. They probably just didn't want to pay to house Korean...
choisiwan is a excellent player and that comes with a cost. he is expensive. and the coaches couldn't made the team better. i mean just look at their recent games they're all split up, dont have a clear target and there's a lack of communication between players
sullen berry
Ever since Choi was a part of the core, comms have been a very mixed bag
Since they didn't want to go full Chinese before
And aren't going to win another one by just becoming a mixed roster
Season 6 is going to end on a high note for former Chinese OWL players
dreamy cave
Both are really good players. But idk if jinmu is going to be ready to play this short notice
Also I would have loved to get the leave and jinmu duo back
They probably think that since ga9a and jinmu are on the same team they'll be able to dive together with the synergy they used to have on the hunters
mortal cipher
I mean it could work but I doubt they’ll be able to do it this quick also Jimnu was never a carry player so removing your basically Star player post 2020 is not gonna go well I fear
vagrant cargo
jinmus whole shtick has been being a carrie player with insane projectile mechanics lol
hes jsut not super flexible and not that consistent
vagrant cargo
hes capable of playing some dps but hes not special on most of them
mortal cipher
He’s mostly been the silly hero player
plush grail
https://twitter.com/infernal/status/1684092435394334721?s=46
this is so sad
owl is gone next year
and these players are gonna miss a bunch of the last live events
and depending on how badly they are affected
they might not even be able to play properly
meager onyx
The worst part is missing the live audience
They really added so much emotion into the games
hot onyx
owl is gone next year
bold to assume there isn't going to be two teams that decline the offer and allow owl to revolve around them for all of eternity
plush grail
bold to assume there isn't going to be two teams that decline the offer and all...
weird take
but i fully expect vegas to decline
they just rebranded and even went as far as picking up a 6th sub player
full lichen
bold to assume there isn't going to be two teams that decline the offer and all...
I think Mayhem will probably stay along with like Dallas, Atlanta, Houston, and Shock
wispy yacht
I think Mayhem will probably stay along with like Dallas, Atlanta, Houston, and ...
do you really think owl will run another season with 5 franchised teams
full lichen
do you really think owl will run another season with 5 franchised teams
Sean Miller said the other day that Blizzard, Microsoft, and overwatch Devs have a lot of interest in keeping Overwatch eSports going, so I assume they'll probably find new orgs and probably move some from contenders to OWL, similar to what APAC is doing rn
But how they'll do it is just speculation
jagged cargo
can someone smarter than me fill me in?: what the fuck happened to charge??
wispy yacht
can someone smarter than me fill me in?: what the fuck happened to charge??
team is going fuller budget, going full chinese and running the rest of owl with zero coaches
wispy yacht
Sean Miller said the other day that Blizzard, Microsoft, and overwatch Devs have...
nah
owl is dead
esports isnt
but owl is dead
you cannot justify adding 10 more contenders teams as solidifed, established "orgs" for s7
jagged cargo
team is going fuller budget, going full chinese and running the rest of owl with...
i mean fair, 6 mil is big ig
wispy yacht
remember that the original vision for the league was to challenge the likes of real, legitimate sporting leagues
such as the nba and nfl
and one way they did this was having expsensive buy in slots, homestands, and teams repping cities
wispy yacht
i mean fair, 6 mil is big ig
yeah any org will take that money
anyways as i was saying
jagged cargo
yeah any org will take that money
they would be dumb if they didnt tbh
wispy yacht
owl is losing money
its not profitable unless ure like the shock
who are living off 800 million bandwagons and prize money
and with the addition of contenders teams included in regular season play
it defeats the whole purpose of having franchised orgs
when you have a city team playing against fucking miku fan club
basically the original vision from 2018 is non existent in s6
so there's zero reason and zero viabiliry to continue owl
full lichen
but owl is dead
I think for overwatch eSports to continue OWL has to die, and the remaining teams that want to stay find some sort of deal with someone to make a new pro league and the remaining teams simply move over to that league
full lichen
it should be open circuit
Agreed
wispy yacht
anyone can compete, and the best teams on the day win the money
full lichen
That's why I said OWL has to die
wispy yacht
it shouldve never existed
if we were to do a franchised pro league at least add relegation/promotion or something so we dont have to watch vegas be a shit team for 5 years
full lichen
if we were to do a franchised pro league at least add relegation/promotion or so...
I 100 percent agree
wispy yacht
the spring/summer stage opens were perfect examples of what promotion playoffs could look like
full lichen
Valiant and Vegas should be contenders and bring up like Redbirds and O2 Blast for a few examples
full lichen
the spring/summer stage opens were perfect examples of what promotion playoffs c...
Yes
The spring stage this year was one of the best ever imo
Especially when shock were losing to contenders teams
wispy yacht
for me the meta became mid at the end
so i didnt enjoy it as much
but some more t2 - t1 official matches would be great
full lichen
Fair
wispy yacht
plus they NEED to bring all stars back
added so much personality and character
now thats just non existent
theres so little real content going around
no interviews, no bts,
just comms check
and promo hype videos
full lichen
plus they NEED to bring all stars back
All stars was so fun
wispy yacht
i loved all stars
full lichen
We need more love matches again too
I've been waiting years to be able to show up to a mayhem game
wispy yacht
homestands were a bit much, but lan tourneys should be standard
honestly i wouldnt mind just random open circuit lans from third party organizers
full lichen
Ye
wispy yacht
it would allow for hidden gems to showcase talent
full lichen
Yeah
wispy yacht
and since all the money isnt locked to t1, it becomes motivation for t2-t3 to get better at the game
full lichen
Ksaa deserves OWL
wispy yacht
i mean we saw how shit the rookie class was this year
obviously not bad players by any means
but no rookies this year really took the league by storm like we had previous years
full lichen
but no rookies this year really took the league by storm like we had previous ye...
The only rookies I think have are Sugar free, Spectra, and Knife
All other rookies are kinda ass
wispy yacht
s5 we had proper zest and alphayi, s4 we had pelican, shy (?) and s3 we had ans and alarm
wispy yacht
All other rookies are kinda ass
donghak junbin and bliss are good as well
full lichen
donghak junbin and bliss are good as well
I don't think they're on the same level tho
wispy yacht
donghak is a great player but i dont think he'll win roty bc he's supported by the best team in the league
full lichen
Yeah
Looking at Donghak himself, he plays too aggressively, the only reason it doesn't show much is because he was Chiyo, Fielder, Lip, and Stalker
Against team like Houston, Donghak got caught with his pants down
wispy yacht
im pretty sure his aggression is just enabled by his backline
i dont think he would be feeding so hard if he didnt know he had fielder chiyo as his backline
full lichen
Fair
wispy yacht
then again, i havent watched a single atlanta game recently bc ik they're usually 3-0's
full lichen
They lost to Houston and Toronto even took a map off of them
full lichen
Ye
wispy yacht
i dont think they are getting worse really
full lichen
Abuse Donghak
full lichen
i dont think they are getting worse really
I think what's happened is all the teams came back from break better and Atlanta is just staying the same
wispy yacht
yeah same
earnest leaf
Atlanta was set further ahead than every other team because they had the perfect meta for lip/chiyo/fielder
So teams are starting to catch up
keen abyss
s5 we had proper zest and alphayi, s4 we had pelican, shy (?) and s3 we had ans ...
skewed s4 Reiner s5
hasty hound
yeah me too
Schizophrenia
cedar oasis
W
weary talon
i think people are just figuring out how to beat atlanta
Hard focus donghak
cloud latch
don't die to lip
don't die to stalker
don't dive their backline
don't play control
weary talon
More like
LOL
what do you do on dive only maps
You get anti every 12 seconds and every minute lip has an emp
cloud latch
it's joever if you play dive vs atl
weary talon
Nahh
They did choi dirty
Been with them for 3 seasons and he definitely wasn’t the one underperforming this season and they kick him out
stoic bronze
Choi, is out of qpac jail
uncut drum
stoic bronze
He can make it big in west
uncut drum
Money is not everything
uncut drum
He can make it big in west
People say outlaws should get him
stoic bronze
Choi on tracer?
weary talon
https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/1684281843363860483?t=2llfO9TE7QfSrRrA...
Mbappe my fav e sport player
stoic bronze
Lep is coaching
stoic bronze
What are glads cooking
weary talon
New signings?
weary talon
Drop kevster
stoic bronze
No, kev is the tracer
weary talon
So is choi
stoic bronze
Choi on sombra
chilly mauve
People say outlaws should get him
nah
We do need a 6th
But fuck that rule
I like this 5 roster we have
Less switching = building more synergy
chilly mauve
Choisewan?
Mhm
worn falcon
all the orgs are on support line
and just waiting to get the 6m paycheck
and get out
full lichen
Choihyobin?
Everytime I hear Choi I think of choihyobin lmfao
feral zodiac
Mbappe and bellingham is such a fucking insane transfer window
meager onyx
Everytime I hear Choi I think of choihyobin lmfao
Og choi
hasty hound
https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/1684281843363860483?t=2llfO9TE7QfSrRrA...
i think proper should be worth more than mbappe
tbh !
paper seal
Mag from seoul infernal tested posetive on covid-19
hopefully he get a quick recovery so the seoul infernal can continue to dominate in the east!
hazy gorge
I’m waiting on goat brig for months anyone knows when the other owl skins comes back?
shell cedar
i think proper should be worth more than mbappe
Did proper get a hattrick in a wc final?
shell cedar
no but he's proper
shell cedar
Right, my bad
nova urchin
vale cobalt
FFFF
I posted 4 clips
defiant is so cringe they made a video about this shit and posted on their official account begging ppl to participate
houston didnt do anything but still got 20%
im proud
washington has 0% 💀
london fans i believe u
vale cobalt
best east game fr
cedar oasis
O
wispy yacht
i never even checked my preds this week but holy fuck i devoured apac
wispy yacht
they already added them
wispy yacht
yea
wispy yacht
i trolled week 1
wispy yacht
toilet bowl matchup
glads spitfire is actually a 50/50
i pray cal will actually do something to help this team
rugged quest
glads spitfire is actually a 50/50
every london match is so rng
with this dogshit map system
wispy yacht
london is just an rng rush one trick team
apparently its just really hard to make it a preset map 1 and then loser picks rest of the series
uncut drum
join the servers leaderboard
rugged quest
apparently its just really hard to make it a preset map 1 and then loser picks r...
its so odd like there is absolutely no benefit to this system
placid fern
I wasnt watching the OWL when hero pools were a thing but why were they removed? it sounds like it would make watching a lot more fun
placid fern
Hero bans are an excuse to not balance the game
it just makes watching not the same comp vs comp for the whole season
no??
weary talon
it just makes watching not the same comp vs comp for the whole season
Yes but the reason we see this is because most comps and heros are just ass
Im pretty sure the only reason we almost only see tracer sombra is because two thirds of the dps heros are useless
placid fern
Im pretty sure the only reason we almost only see tracer sombra is because two t...
arent all of these usable
scrap cass maybe
weary talon
Idk the dynamics of pro play but i’d take symm cass soldier out of there
placid fern
sym is used a lot on KOTH
earnest leaf
outside of tracer/sombra/echo you get into more map dependant heroes and niche comps for teams that can't make tracer sombra work
full lichen
arent all of these usable
Toronto almost took a map off of Atlanta using Torb
stoic bronze
Still at the top of the servers leaderboard
placid fern
Toronto almost took a map off of Atlanta using Torb
doesnt mean its viable by all teams
full lichen
doesnt mean its viable by all teams
If it almost took as map from Atlanta, I think it could be
placid fern
If it almost took as map from Atlanta, I think it could be
thats like saying junkrat is meta because some schizo team in contenders ran in and beat a high lvl team
or almost
full lichen
thats like saying junkrat is meta because some schizo team in contenders ran in ...
All I'm saying is that it could be
Didn't say it is
hasty hound
london fans i believe u
knife solos
feral zodiac
Goalaaaaaaaaaaso
royal berry
Hero bans are an excuse to not balance the game
Dumbest thing I’ve read all day
R6 is a great example on hero bans
Widow and Ashe are instalocks on junkertown
Banning one could make people play other heroes
earnest leaf
The only version of hero bans that I wouldn't mind being tested was Jake's idea
which iirc is 1 ban per team per map, but you can only ban a hero once a match
And the hero ban is submitted alongside rosters so both teams don't see what the other team banned
so it wouldn't just lead to sombra perma banned every map, can only maybe take her out for ilios
wispy yacht
also adds some strategy as well
like do you ban sombra from lip for lijiang or gibraltar
and like coluge will be perma banned off sigma 💀
mortal cipher
It was fun at the time
cloud latch
!!is cala bald
young fractalBOT
It is decidedly so.
cloud latch
!!whotosupport
young fractalBOT
Brigitte
cloud latch
!!whotosupport
young fractalBOT
Zenyatta
cloud latch
!!whotosupport
young fractalBOT
Lifeweaver
unique root
wtf
young fractalBOT
Brigitte
vale cobalt
i really want hero bans
idc what ppl say
i dont want to play against certain heroes because it is not fun and it is what matters to me even though I'm a very competitive player
scrims are the only thing that makes me want to play the game. comp is cancer and qp is like a diet comp where ppl tryhard to boost their ego for some reason
uncut drum
nah they way that jake said was smart
vale cobalt
gator understands me my guy wants hero bans
unique root
<@707457863529922621> MVP
AHKSJDHSD i was debating whether or not to do it because i know that oyu do it too and i didnt wanna be overbearing so i just watied until it was 15 mins before 😭
unique root
u know what i mean 
sullen berry
and notice it's not automated for some reason
sullen berry
u know what i mean <a:WhyOhWhy:926331090648576020>
!jumbo 
young fractalBOT
unique root
they can def be scheduled but i had noticed they get posted so i was like what if its scheduled but then it gets posted before the scheduled post goes off and its a WHOLE thing in my head
if u want the other ones can be schedule posted :3 up to u
stray pond
well boys we're back to the 2022 meta
RUN JQ HANBIN
JQ RUSH
THERES A REASON WHY WE DONT RUSH THIS COMP
CUZ WE SUCK AT IT
JUNKER QUEEN RUSHHHHHHHHHHHH COME ONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
BE LIKE SPITFIRE
unique root
the laugh 😭 lmao
stray pond
round 2 i wanna see sparkle on genji
hanbin on JQ edison on sojurn
come onnnnnnnn
welp we're ded
ohhhhh
what a stun
we live to see another day
bliss going crazy
nano ult
NANO ULT
sparkle?
huh
well Bliss clutch
whew
edison is goated on sojurn
wispy yacht
zest gosu
stray pond
hax
wispy yacht
check him pc
sullen berry
if u want the other ones can be schedule posted :3 up to u
dewwit
the schedule ones are stable now
stray pond
oh my god bliss lices
CLUTCH
imma be honest i did not expect the win here
WE'RE BACK
THE COPIUM WAS REAL
stray pond
i hope the league stays
slow lake
MAG with the worst Doom swap I've seen since Someone vs Glads
ebon aurora
Sp9rk1e killing 3 in that fight was nuts, kills the backline then comes back and saves Bliss
I think he went Doom as Sp9rk1e briefly went Reaper
slow lake
Monkey is still just so much better than Doom though.
ebon aurora
sure but into the Reaper I can sort of justify it
sullen berry
i hope the league stays
$114million to all the teams says they probably won't, but they'll figure out the rebranding and what happens to the players next year in March
slow lake
Just a mid Winston moment. Happens to alot of Winston players who aren't top tier
stray pond
Just a mid Winston moment. Happens to alot of Winston players who aren't top tie...
mm
i still say we play JQ rush
EMp
welp there goes our backline
epic sleep
earnest leaf
hanbin winston is ugly
stray pond
always has been
stray pond
RIP
slow lake
WHY ARE THEY ULTING THE TANK WITH NANO AGAIN
ebon aurora
Bliss is cracked
slow lake
DOES MN3 NOT LEARN?
ebon aurora
like holy
ebon aurora
Bliss and Chiyo's Brig play is just stellar
mortal cipher
This is just typical PhillyFernal
ebon aurora
serious question, is Bliss the 2nd best brig in the league atm? Obviously Chiyo is #1
slow lake
No
mortal cipher
No
slow lake
Viol2t and Ch0rong >
mortal cipher
Leejaegon as well
slow lake
Bliss is playing against a Sombra that has no clue that Nanoboost counters solo ulting the tank
Can't gauge this
mortal cipher
Mn3 Sombra is 50/50
ebon aurora
fair points