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i half wish glads just go under it sounds so fun
rooting for a dogshit team
because it makes the wins even more special
you get to shit on people so bad when your team beats theirs
thts acutually so true
supporting spitfire is fun bc it feels so nice if we do well
this is why i love being a spitfire fan
i went feral against defiant fans
also
when we won
nyxl literally destroyed spitfire
kellan who looked very good in contenders
this season or last season
im so happy
this
last season
the defiant win crushed the spirits of both defiant fans
and glads fans
it was awful
last season i was feral against everyone
i remember doing it to u with the glads
in playoffs
gnj
that was so fun
like
Ho1
for myunb0ng 😭
the way nobody asked for ur take
is so funny
they already have
Myunbong carried boston
owl probably wont
ikr they're so awful
and still talks
😵💫
this guy thinks we are talking about spitfire still
spitfire dont even have 3 support slil bro
LMAOOO
uhm
i dont know ?
brb ill call him up rn and ask
he said genjis shite
why are you talking shit
when your top 1 budget roster
just went 1-6
literally against a team we werent even talking about
he just told me rn
on phone
i called him up
you have the both the goat fs the best winston in the world and one of the best flex dps in modern ow
dont talk to me about budget when atlanta or boston exits
3 sups 2 tanks 2 dps
atlanta's budget
atlanta has never payed shit loads for their teams
isn't even that big
lol
idr who but someone on the atlanta staff
said they're not even like top 3 in budget this year
lip had like no offers bc everyone assumed they wouldn't be able to get him
lsd was talking about nyxls roster and bro starts saying "ikr theyre so awful" about spitfire as a jab against me
??
LMAO
they weren't even LMAO
boston is literally full of superstars
some players will take lesser budgets to be on a better team
thats how superteams are made
ana do u know anything about esports
i'mp retty sure gator literally said that
genuinely
u dont follow anything
in his interview
have a nice day
ana is clueless
WHAT
vigilante was friends with stalk3r
supa u got the privelege of being blocked too
Valliant comeback tho
so he came over pretty easily
then atlanta was one of lip's only offers so he said fuck it
and when chiyo fielder saw
vigi hawk lip stalk3r
they knew it'd be an easy season if they joined
so they didn't ask for big contracts like they would
if they'd joined other teams
it happens in alot of games
i dont think d0ng would ask for a big contract either
considering he literally gets to play with chiyo fielder stalk3r lip
in eu league, mikyx joined g2 because they had wunder jankos caps perkz, for a lesser contract
and win owl for free
literally the best 4 eu players at the time
I think eu players smell
ana when they have a bad take "u dont follow anything have a nice day" blocked
whilst having some delusional opinion about esports
and then looking at every blocked message
which defeats the purpose of blocking
?
its not worth ur energy anyway
its 3am jae
this is my energy
to stay awake
confrontation is scary just agree to disagree or you'll get sucked into chronically online discord drama chat hehe
its fun
cuz its not worth discussing with ppl who have zero clue about the argument i am presenting
ana admitted my silly little discord messages tilt them
atlanta's backline won grand finals 2022
the guy said
they didnt
theres no point of having a discussion with a person like them
and drx won worlds 2022 and they got bought out for cheap (worlds is FAR bigger than owl)

I feel like Jaden Smith can we talk about the socio economic state of the world right now
what economic state
its in ruin
they're very interesting :)))))))

can u like actually have me blocked and not read my messages
or can u unblock me so i can super react
please

that defeats the purpose of having be blocked if u press it .. ?
yes cuz im curious of your INTERESTING comments
cuz they're making me laugh
no hard feelings
u have got to be like 14
i cannot delete ppl's messages :))
because you would just send it mods and cry about it
id send it here and make fun of u
anyway
guys any apac predictions?
I predict the region doesn't exist next season 
it will
cuz florida is buying players
but not using them
this season
and planing to use them next season
think of it like a pre-order player
s9mm reacted to this
so at least the league will survive next season, can I understand in this way LOL
we dont know that
just bc a player is "being signed for next season" doesnt mean blizz wont cancel it
bc owl is going under 100%
atleast at its current rate
Oh, that's why he still plays for NT
Hangzhou and infernal stay top in east but lose to majority of west teams in any tourney
well not majority
just upper crust really
choky Infernal went to map 5 vs Mayhem who eventually finished 3rd overall so they could easily iron out those nerves and wjn
Mhm def
and im pretty sure infernal would've beat uprising if they didn't get cucked into the bracket with the only competent opponent
but nobody was beating outlaws reign that meta
ana needs to read this fr https://twitter.com/Coach_Spilo/status/1680419941839691776?s=20
It’s morbidly amusing to watch the community go back to crucifying Hadi after last season’s cornucopia of praise. Remember that player performance is almost always a complicated and dynamic issue. Anyone paying attention knows London’s dive issues are far from one-dimensional.
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tank is always a fun role to judge in ow
is a tank bad or is their team just failing them?
is a tank good or is their team just that good?
Eu players learn Winston dive challenge impossible difficulty
The Tank Paradox
No way the league makes it past another season with the Microsoft acquisition
I think the losing team should be able to choose their map
That's depressing
he's trying to be like ''but akscualy 🤓 ☝️ ''
but hadi's hero pool is a real issue
hanbin so good
they do
OWLEL 514 3/8
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owlel.zusor.io
what is going on, Poker Face looked terrible against Fuel and now they're outplaying Infernal?????
infernal are intentionally handicapping themselves playing mn3 sombra
not in reg szn
And she’s meta with that comp
yeah they want him to get better at her
otherwise they have no chance to make it far against na teams
not convincing though, if Aiden doesn't walk onto that pulse on 2nd idk if Seoul get there
is it just me or is owl just pepega and not enabling tokens on the stream
i think it happened to me and i had to disconnect and reconnect my battle net
but idk if that’ll fix ur issue
yea it’s stupid sometimes
i just bought glads moira i need to build tokens to get fuel dva 💪💪
Did you refresh the page?
yeah i just did
Still not working?
Was second game convincing?
nah its good now
👌🏻
map 3 was, yes
full cap and full hold on Dorado
Mhm yeah
Their tracking is really good. Makes me wonder if they’re playing on 200+ fps
huh 😭
obviously they're on 200+ 😭
I’m not saying it’s WHY they have good tracking. I’m saying it helps a lot
Is there a limit for lan?
What are the rules on that for LAN?
this isn't lan
I’m asking for lan
I mean I guess it's just whatever u limit to
I’m thinking they all use the same shit to keep it fair?
@ebon aurora told you it’s 3-1
increasing fps doesn't make it less fair all the pcs and monitors are the same
player settings are subjective
they aer on more
are
the pcs they use are all the max you can get
and have to meet a standard set by owl
last season they were on like over 400hz
yeah
they have that
cause i remember colouge complaining on stream with super why his pc was going under 400 fps
they have the best of the best
only difference is mice, keyboard and sometimes headsets
sup
how does panthera live that
and they have another emp
and also rip o2b
their entire core got picked up now they are just mid
man dreamers matches have been the most fun to watch so far
they are not mid
give them time
and i mean o2b is used to that arent they iirc they have always been the main shopping center for owl teams
and so far they have always come back strong
Am I the only one or most of the east matchs kept on saying pending result?
yeah
but wait
you know that org cooks the players into great ones
at this point i actually kinda want dreamers to win grand finals
i think they probably cant beat reign tho but seeing this they might actually be able to beat everyone else
just again shows how stupid franchising systems like this are
owl would be so much more competitive if teams like eternal had long deranked and been replaced by a contenders team
ik o2b creates fucking amazing crackheads of players but im not just gonna deny that they suck rn bc they have pretty much an entirely new core
throw these 3 clowns out and get the top 3 contenders teams in here
franchise is dogshit fr
relegation/promotion is a much more competitive league format if they still want this regular season/playoffs format instead of just tournaments year round like a normal open circuit
yeah a team like eternal being allowed to exist in this space just ruins the competitive nature of the league
and they would DEFINETLY beat 3d contenders
instead of having the shit orgs tank and be shit for years by signing minimum wage players just have top t2 teams get promoted to t1
it also makes toilet bowl games more fun to watch
I am calling now: Eternal will win one match this season
No idea against who but I feel like they will be at least competitive
they have 3 players on 180 ping and they dont intend to change that
what do you think they will win
Nahhh don't tell me they wanna keep them on Ping 
they dont intend to relocate them
That's rough then
they arent relocating their korean players
they'll play on ping for the rest of the season 💀
(and they are DEFINITELY not making playoffs)
they cant afford to fly them over likely
dogshit org
depends east contenders would clap their cheeks eu contenders they would probably win and NA contenders i dont know anything about
not valiant
oh yeah getting 3-0 by fuel was bad
goats
Valiant looked good against Glads but Glads do look wonky rn
val bead glads
Marve1 on Ping really was out of sync
they would win in na contenders too
they would dominate na contenders lol
I just don't think Valiant will reach Play-Ins either
They'd need to overtake 2 to do so
owl need to straight up ditch owl and go for a regional setup
They will overtake London but who else
nyxl
Nah NYXL not at all
if glads dont pick up the slack its over for them
They're fifth XD
icl, spitfire need to bench sparkr
i mean they finally won a match this season since they finally bought some decent players but they should still not have been in the league for this long with the results they have shown so far
Glads do look wonky but they do have a buffer
nyxl looks like they’re actually figuring shit out
NYXL really looked quite decent ngl
unknown goated fr
how does the man do it
jjust let contenders teams compete in owl like east has
they would unirnoically look and be far better playing sauna backbone rn
honestly like vancouver might drop hard
especially since their dps player just disappeared
agreed, just force the rush and stop giving a fuck about all that dive shit they can't coordinate anyways
force rush such a bad idea
but htey wont
nah their dive looks horrible
they cant play dive for their life
if they ran backbone sombra/echo with sauna tracer
learning dive is better than forcing rush
47 deaths
their dive mgiht actually become semi competant
well they forcing sparkr they might as well force rush
bc sparkr cant fucking play sombra
Hadi can't coordinate on Winston for shit
force rush is just an autolose
the thing is his sombra wasnt even the worst thing ever against reign
they were actually making some plays off of it
then he just didnt play it once vs nyxla
like i dont understand why these teams dont get new players they could have legit picked up a random ass eu top 10 tank and it would be going better for them we have so many good winston players but they just dont give in
and played cass ashe
bc visas
eu 💀
christfer crack pipe
they cant get these players to america
jkaru wouldnt be better than hadi on 150 ping
eu just a dead region
also crazy how legday becomes a good caster when he isnt paired with lemonkiwi
sign an na tank
like who tho
Sparkr died 57 times (!) in 1h 9 mins that these two games have been so far
isnt cuffa oce ?
no
like 2 years ago
cowman
i just saw him on aus team
he plays for strix
could they not go for KSAA
wait no
dude can at least coordinate
ksaa isnt a winston player
and is kinda not amazing
ksaa doesnt play monkey
anymore
well ye the monkey thing is an issue
i guess they couldve gotten mikeyy from saints, hes not amazing but would be better at monkey?
hadi can play ball
Honestly I feel like Mikeyy has an above average Monkey
ive never seen hadi pull out ball
Hadi is one of those dudes that you just don't want solo tanking I guess
icl even kraandop is available
wait redbirds isnt playing in summer series
But solo tanking becomes meta since you wanna save roster spots so, Hadi is in a difficult spot
wtf
i mean most eu countries can instantly get a 90 day visa for the us naturally i dont know if that would be compatible with working for an owl team but those 90 days would be enough to then get a longer term work visa
what the hell
they cant
backbone was stuck in eu for a while
its meta bc the league is dying unfortunately
yeah fuck the franchising and shit
the most we've seen on a roster this year was from nyxl with 9 players
why did nyxl even sign aniyun
you mean they cant get the 90 day visa or they cant do owl work with that visa
or that other person
bc they need someone for double flex lmao
they dont even run her on double flex tho
they did
i think the 90 day visa might even be a challenge atp but the 2nd one also 100%
???????
100% wr
its still double flex
best owl player this year
i mean 90 day visa is easy to get would take me 7 days max to get it rn
the only map they played her on
was the last one
against vegas
that isnt a good sign
white fielder better
maybe they signed her so she can get the experience tbh
but yeah working with it might be wonky at least without getting creative
or the most likely case is that nyxl were trying to be progressive like their initial plan
of signing only cah players
nyxl acad isnt evne contenders atp
redbirds with just gig and grathen could beat them
what does cah mea
calling all heroes
idk why they would just sign cah players if they aren't good enough though
ah ok but didnt aniyun play for wisp in contenders?
they're not even top 5 open division
wisp wasnt good when she played
no
no
academy team got auto invite
yeah but their initial plan was to only sign non men players
her best placement is winning cah and getting 5-6 in contenders with wisp
basically an entire cah roster
she left wisp earlier this year
she only played in one match tho
on wisp
like what
why are they picking up not ready players for diversity sake
bc nyxl is a shit org
lol
god
give me control
i will turn that team around
step
1
get ojee a fucking haircut
im all for giving marginalized players and minorities a chance to compete at a t1/t2 level but this aint the way to do that
im all for playing whoever is best
they’re working on preparing aniyun to be a league standard player
but it's good that they foster an environmment for them to develop in calling all heroes
when cah was announced i thought they were going to make it like valorant game changers
thats what contenders is for
since she’s already shown promise
putting bisexual in my twitter bio 2 weeks before calling all heroes freest prize money i have ever earned 💯
it isnt for sexuality tho 😭
is it not for marginalized genders and members of the lgbtq community
or am i tripping
marginalised genders i thought it was just for ?
eskay rolls your fraud ass
she does im fucking shit at this game
real
always on twitter about some dumb shit
the last bastion of m*rcy main apologists
bro i saw her say that owl should be signing ladder mercy otps
after hog and sombra reworks
bc they're "better" than the ms players playing mercy on echo comps
m*rcy needs it the most
real
she blocked people on twitter for saying that teams didnt want to sign her bc she was a mercy otp
lmao
bro
DID YALL SEE
WARN COMPARED HIMSELF TO SEEKER
AND THEN GOT MAD WHEN PPL QUESTIONED IT
warn the goat (i hope he eats sand)
i thought it was stalker 😭
bro warn said in the canada tryouts he was doing better than seeker
and everyone was like
ladder m*rcy otps when the map switches from lighthouse to ruins and they’re suddenly fucking useless:
i have warn muted so idk any of this 💀
and pro ow is toxic bc ppl say hes not as good as a pro player
i just saw a meme
bro fucking ml7 would diff most mercy otps on mercy let alone owl main support players
of the clip of warn comparing himself to seeker
pussypopper77 mercy otp solos chiyo any day of the week (according to skiesti)
shartcandy the only mercy player that can diff chiyo fr ong no cap
ladder m*rcy otps realizing that their specialization with m*rcy mechanics and playstyle doesn’t even begin to make up for the lack of pro level comms experience against coordinated teams and literally every fucking element that separated ladder from organized
not to mention flexibility
isn’t shart like actually a solid player
who could compete at a solid level in t2
sharts actually good
yeah but not enough to beat chiyo i just really like shart cause they funny
at the right time
shart to glads fuck it we ball
real
unlike most streamers
im pretty sure shart was looking for a t2 team
shart would beat chiyo in the zestiness 1v1 any time tho 💯
hmmmmm idk about t2
has shart played in cah
but he's gay
truly one of the recon arrows of all time
does lgbtq not count as a marginalized gender or is it pretty much exclusive to women
lgb arent genders 😭
its a sexuality
idk man
bro imma have my gender changed to gay tommorow 💯
oh i figured out why i show up on paks fuckin thing
cutting off my dick so i can participate in calling all heroes brb
ur pfp says u did that yesterday
liquipedia so dumb
real actually
he is
he is
that was s5
i think they keep him tho bc on current patch rien is actually good
more time on rein than ball and monkey combined
jq doesnt count bc it was hard meta for an entire stage
i dont think owl is ever gonna be on this patch
the worst is his ball is good
ever?
bc we are taking a break after stage 4
but as sombra is meta
he cant play ball
it just goes straight to s6?
shock made it work it isnt impossible tho
i think so bc flashpoint
cause you know the other team will be like ok sombra
like a new hero
so we sadly wont see owl soldier gameplay :(
when?
3 week break in owl and then 2 more regular season weeks until playoffs
i dont think flashpoint will be added this owl season
it will be
p sure its already been confirmed that it will
they confirmmed
already
wtf
yeah
how is it gonna change matches
its being added mid reg season and it will be here the entire playoffs
the reactions of players was like wtf
r matches gonna be bo7 now?
holy fuck dreamers fucking absoutely rolled panthera
removes control being played twice in a bo5
yea wtf
what does it mean
thats so aids
but it is good they get time to play it
I DONT GET TIME TO PLAY IT THO
flashpoint feels like its gonna be hard brawl meta
im angry
flashpoint is gonna be so messy man i just cant imagine that it will be a very good mode
as if it was like before new patch just before playoff that would be bad
wait when does s6 come out
while
in august
i didnt watch the dev stream so i dont even know how it plays out in actual gameplay
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The Overwatch 2 Season 6 release date is expected to be Tuesday, August 15, 2023, at 11 AM PT / 2 PM ET / 7 PM BST, based on the active battle pass schedule indicating the time remaining in the current season.4 Jul 2023
ok phew
oh
what
u said 24 days
nvm
i was wrong
well i was close
after a point is captured you will have to run to the next point alongside the enemy team or fight ignoring the objective and then going to next point 💀
no i just
its basically 2cp but 5cp
but control
well
its basically just hardpoint from cod
but faster
from what the cc who played it said
yeah christfer said that in his interview with yiska but it depends on how much time you have to know where the next point is
im hoping they make it random and that you dont know until the first flashpoint is capped
after the cc people tried it out
maybe thats why they gigabuffed sym
oh god if its not random you will have the tracer players already fighting on next point when first point is almost capped and shit like that 💀
already lost the first point? just find the next one and setup
guys whats with this budget green
wait that could be cool
gg to all ana players have fun walking 90% of the game as if it wasnt already enough walking sim on push
purple clears
tracer 1v1s on next point
it wouldnt be a 1v1 tho cause one of the teams probably still wants to flip the current point or they all give up and set up on the next point as full team
its random tho no?
it should be
idk
i just know how the mode works in terms of objectives
but it should be random in terms of location
https://twitter.com/washjustice/status/1680311156257292289?t=j8eNBh1zC3kps5t-7BNv5w&s=19 this is bold coming from a country where justice isn't real either 💀💀
Ratlanta
Cap it's light purple, dark purple is better
If the game between week 4 and 5 the meta goes to rush I would laught my ass off cause it will be too late for London to get into playins
Apac sum up?
can my east preds come through so i can get my points wtf
Yeah I was about to ask when do we get them LMAO
what happened
roast my power rankings
where the contender teams
Nothing bad he just had like TikTok’s I think that are just very sexual girls doing dances lol
tier break between glads and spitfire
tier break between Atlanta and everyone else
shock > nyxl too imo
not on slmn
i was thinking that but nyxl have already established themselves as a solid 5th seed and shock havent fought any of the top 4 teams yet
it's mostly the fact that shock still have much to prove against the big guys but they are still much better than the middle of the pack
even if in the head to head shock beat nyxl
true
wait actually very true
i'll have to see what happens next week bc the middle of na is such a wash
these are mine
florida mayhem above uprising and outlaws is all I need to say
Power rankings maker, Overwatch League predictions & more
One game doesn't define an entire season
you're trolling if you think florida are worse than uprising and houston
this is for the summer stage
not the entire season
Uprising I can see the debate for, but I do not have Mayhem above Outlaws, even if their performance is a little janky right now, they are still better than Mayhem
it defines right now
LOL
ehhhhh
defiant titans being a tier above shock idk
justice being 5th when they lost lost to shock idk
honestly, i could see an argument for shock > outlaws currently
outlaws looked
so lost
and scared
York above justice ??
yeah
Explain
justice dont look all that great
i need you see more form defiant to put them above shock
I agree but nyxl look even worse
you put them above shock
not me
i did?
yeah 😭
oh fuck
?
1 map was close
i need that as a sticker
The other would’ve been more close had vegas played the map
but they didnt, bc nyxl was better by far?
They werent running hanzo on circuit which was trolling
And nyxl throughout this season haven’t won against teams where the odds are against them
Justice have
what games have justice won where the odds are against them
also.. nyxl 3-0d justice
They 3-0 glads
glads is a shit team
if ur rly gonna use past matches
the results speak for themselves
and also glads just look fucking lost
Glads are better than justice
their backline is constantly getting isolated
LMAOOOOOO
kevster is also trolling
glads got reverse swept by white chiyo n co
But 1) their tank is on ping 2) they play babel instead of lastro for whichever reason
they play babel and lastro
what
also, tank being on ping is a bad excuse
probe is on ping
it doesnt matter if a player is on ping or not, if the team is shit, they are shit
and probe wiped glads with proper
nah kinda marvel is washed as fuck
but babel has been ass
he looked okay with a shit backline
spitfire 2020 ruined babel
i havent even heard of this fucking kid until this year
I dont think they played lastro more than 1 game against the shock
spitfire ruined all of their careers
they deadass ran in house scrims
yep
glister babel schwi although clestyn krillin highly sanguinar were all ruined by spitfire
bernar not so much
jmac jihun were kinda eh anyway
isnt krillin on a team
Who's the next to play? Haven't kept up with it recently
Yes
what team
and hes a fs player
yeah ik abt that i just forgot
sanguinar not been in owl since 2020 is a fucking robbery tho
my dead dog could play winston better than belosrea
Dont disrespect the goat
watching belosrea play anything but ball is like a prison sentence
it is a literal punishment to watch that man play
Belosrea better then gesture and fissure combined
that's not a high margin to beat but okay
gesture already clears that fraud
LOL
there's no way you call belosrea the best main tank that's just unreal
he is fucking dogshit
and his best hero is ball
and he's arguably not even the best ball in the league
which is even more pathetic
I thought this was obvious bait
it was but also u can never truly tell anymore
it's 2023 how am i supposed to tell bait from stupidity
especially when the houston fans in this chat have been running rampant
true
they be like "you support spitfire 🤓 " like spitfire hasnt still won more than outlaws 💀
in season 4 and 6 of owl, spitfire are 3-23, and outlaws still couldnt win anything
The spirit of houston still remains no matter what players they have
every game is houstonable
They could have fucking idk choihyobin smurf twilight and still lose
houston is just a cursed franchise idk
they can have a trophy winning roster and still fucking bottle the tournaments
@keen abyss houston is always houstonable
happened in 2021 may melee and happened all of 2022
houston 🤝 fusion/infernal
spend shit loads to win nothing
Gets 3-0 by decay and company
do not talk down to san antonio supersonics main support supa
we even stole the seattle supersonics logo
and recolored it
aint no way
mayhem bout to shock the world this stage
shock mentioned
lol
lol
People being toxic in the owl chat towards the calling all heroes members makes me sad
probably because people dont care and just want to watch the games
We always have ten minutes of waiting before matches 
i mean yeah but people are impatient so you know
Yeah

They're toxic just because they hate hearing about lgbt members even though they literally just have to mute the tab for 5 minutes
i mean they have a different belief or just get a tad annoyed being it in everywhere which i just put music on lol
"I hate lgbt" Wait till you hear about literally half the overwatch characters
This doesn't delay the game, people are just awful
"akshually its only like 6 of them 🤓 "
people sometimes dont know when to realize a time and plus but tbf owl chat is shit posting half the time
owl chat has always been a mess
in 2021 all they would do is spam !drops
in 2022 all i saw in chat was c9
and 2023 is more of the same
its just full of homophobic incels idk
The amount of transphobic and homophobic pharah/soldier players I see is insane
owl chat has always been shit commenting
mb
yeah costreams are much better
How come it's fair to shit on seeing lgbt for 5 minutes but if I were to even jokingly complain about straight people I'd get jumped?
since its filled with people who actually give a shit about the league
yeah
Outlaws are getting dunked on rn because people keep jumping Shu
Neither
i saw more attacks on Violet than shu
the meta hasnt even changed
They spam 🙂 now
so why are they getting shit on in traditional dive
Outlaws is actually a good team, shu and viol2t just keep getting hard focused
yeah only when renko is playing
And a team is nothing without its supports imo
i mean they played mayhem and Boston who were the 3rd and 4th teams so not that bad
if shu and violet are always getting focused
but houston just had a bad week well see next week
Imo Boston has a better back line then outlaws overall
in the msm outlaws fucking smoked mayhem and boston
Houston players are probably having a shit mental week too tbh
yeah i think they were trying anti sombra
Garg is retiring, they probably had a shit mental after the mayhem loss
And only one day to recover between games
We'll come back next week
I like shu but I feel like twilight is better and ljg Just better then Violet
i think that mightve affected it as well
i dont think a player just retires bc a team immediately drops form
he was probably considering retirement since msm
Usually teams know about retirement a week before or so