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when picking up player
proper tracer is not a liability
LOL
like I've said some questionable stuff but saying proper tracer is questionable is just straight copium
tf
proper is the best tracer in the league
not even kevster compares and he's the 2nd best tracer
agreed
please elaborate before the confirmation bias kicks in
but waht im saying is hitscan players traditionally play sombra, so when looking for a flex player in sombra tracer meta, all of hte fdps will play tracer over sombra bc thats the role
'so when making teams' bro this is a 1v1 debate lmao
tracer its goood?
okay and?
proper plays hitscan + fdps
he doesnt play fdps
He can literally play anyone though
TFFFFF
what
he doesnt play echo, mei, sym, etc
I don't think blud has kept up with Proper at all
waduh ive seen it all
CUZ its not meta
why play a character that isnt meta
mei is must pick with brawl
BRAWL ISNT META
mei is only good in brawl
and also
and brawl isn't meta ^
it is
u fail to realize
on certain maps it is
brawl is meta on certain maps
they have heesang on their team
heesang literally plays mei for shock
proper flexes around heesangs hero pool
who is only rlly stellar at pharah
peesang ๐๐๐
you dont want your star player flexing
are u good?
Proper plays what proper wants to play in any given meta
you want your star player on the carry role
Proper doesn't give a shit about meta
not flexing
because he will be better than any dps partner shock can give him in a meta
mei is not a carry role
he plays anything and carries
in brawl yes it is
well its more the tank
but
for dps yes mei is the deciding factor
what
i liked when he got mad rage locked genji and then wiped the enemy team in a non genji meta
proper mad is scaryu
the other plays only fdps
i think u would rather have the guy that only plays fdps on fdps
while ur hyperflex
one can play anything but excels at certain heroes
plays whatever else is needed
okay yes he's good at certain heros
it's why shock should have just gotten a HS player alongside heesang
but what if a map doesn't call for those heros
this was recent right im not crazy
what if they need something else
no what ifs
why no hypotheticals?
i know how this works bc i was in the same scenario the past ocuple months
theres nothing wrong with that
its bad to have your better player flexing
no it isnt
It's not a what if if it's a genuine situation that can happen
yes it is ๐ญ
why would u want to see heesang on hitscan
i wouldnt
EXACTLY then?
yepyep
this conversation is making me crazy
yeah its a pretty stupid argument
proper vs lip
what im saying is proper has a very bipolar hero pool that forces the other dps to play heroes that they dont usually play
thats the complete opposite
okay good bc i didnt wanna be like OMG YEAH (bc i did in fact watch that game) but then hear that it happened 3 years ago and now i look stupid
proper is better at fdps/tracer and close to lip on hard HS
lip is probably better at hard HS and better at sombra
sure
ill say yes to that
altho lips tracer is crazy
havent seen it in a while tho
Proper is better at literally any other hero though
nah
while lip is only better at certain heros
oh wait yea
lip hasnt played tracer since like s3
Proper is more flexible which is what you want on a team
no
?????
why wouldnt u want someone that can adapt
and there is exceptions
not rlly
WDYM NOT RLLY?
some people are good at multiple things like that IS possible LOL
there isnt exceptions
I wanna do this analogy but I'm not knowledgeable enough in football to do it
tell me it
if you can have only one of proper or lip it depends on if you value having the perma hitscan diff or the perma fdps diff
I think fdps diff is better because there are a lot more really good HS players
being able to flex doesnt mean you're not REALLY GOOD at everything youre playing
THATS WHY ITS THE OPPOSITE
is it better to have a decent player who can play multiple positions or a really good player that can only play center back
but proper's widow isnt as good as his genji
It's generally better to have a decent player who can play multiple positons
hes still an amazing widow
so then if that one player gets injured
you can flex that him onto that role
and he'll do well enough to suffice
last year
this
in the grand finals meta
hard roles are there for a reason
yes, especially in the case of overwatch where there basically zero substitutions
basically you dont have the luxury of having the man city rotation (having amazing players to fill in from the bench)
u sound silly now because swaggy is saying that the former is better LOL
why didnt proper play reaper
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how is having someone who can be good at qb and db better than having someone who spends their whole time playing qb
that doesnt make any sense
if he played reaper, then kilo would be playing sojourn
because you have the power of flexibility
and kilo wasnt the greatest
proper didnt play reaper bc hes the best soj player in the league
in ow esports i think flexibility is much better than being a specialist
which is more important than someone who can only play qb
yes
OW in general is a game where flexibility is better than being a specialist
that is why he played soj
You gotta trust the power of friendship
its fuckin cuz the other dps was lacking on that role
because if the person that only plays qb cant fill for the db player if he gets hurt while the person who does it all CAN fill and itll work
not in teamplay
and they had a good repear player already
also
imo AMERICAN (fuck you guys) football doesnt require flexibility bc you spend your entire career practicing a single role
wrong football btw so u lose that argument
this all depends on who the dps partner would be
well i mean
but the per son who does all needs to practice both roles and ppl who practice just qb would catch up
when arguing flexibility vs specialization
in REAL football, players shift positions and roles all the time
I hate that both of our sports are called football, but we still require some flexibility because certain players can't necessarily play defensive lineman
true
Proper Lip dream
ok disreagrding physical builds guuys
eh
thats the issue
proper is a hitscan player
and lip is too
proper is not a hitscan player
so in some metas proper would be a great dps duo
he is a hyperflex
but in some he wouldn't
proper plays it all (not sombra)
a hyperflex means he will play anything
this whole time ppl have been telling u proper isnt hitscan we are going in circles
hyperflex means he WILL, not necessarily saying it'll be as good as his other heros, but he's capable of playing them to a playable level
alr guys
at me
do yall remember the last time mei was meta?
we're literally going in circles lmao
literallyl rn
one season doesnt define a player though what
mei is currently meta
Rascal time
r u fucking dumb
almost every team
lijang has been the mei brawl map for years tbf
im talking about hard meta
yeah but it's nothing compared to REAL football
you have players (like trossard for example) who can play on the wings, in the attack midfield role, or even as a 9 upfront and that is infinitely more valuable in REAL FOOTBALL than having someone that can only play the left wing for example
certain maps will always default to certain comps
there are a bunch of maps where brawl is favored atm
sombra tracer dive has been meta for the last stage
i just used lijang as an example
no matter the map
Not true
did u not watch
msm
On payload they played ram mei hanzo
they played ram rush depending on map
why are yall trying to lecture me on current meta ๐ญ
this meta might genuinely be the first meta where nothing is truly 'meta' outside of dive which can be flexed around
this meta is not one team comp
2021?
its flexible
we've had a defined meta for every seaseon up until this point
Lip so comfy on Sombra rn
2021 may melee we had rush, dive and double shield
bc hes the best sombra in the league
wasn't 2021 brawl defined or am I stupid
on more maps than the others but dive and double shield were still played
the "source: trust me bro" is not going to work for u im afraid
and then they fucking nerfed rein and it became a ball sombra tracer meta for 10 years
my source is the coaches for my teams that get paid tens of thousands to study this
Phd in overwatch
nah fr
my main coach is fahzix and that mf should get an honorary phd in overwatch
hes imo the smartest macro player/coach ever
he made me
owe my career to him
Hes got no owl ambitions ?
oh the bad team
they were ass ๐
much less pay attentiont o owl
I thought fahzix was on 2019 justice
Justice in 2020 were genuinely contender's for one of the worst teams of all time
ok 2019 was decent
oh 2020 justice
but 2020 was a shitshow
he left before 2020
this shit
i know that
2019 justice wasn't that much better
but he is a smart mf
2019 justixe got carried by dps tho
2019 justice was dogshit all year
corey stratus goes crazy
2020 justice playoff run
most coaches aren't exactly pros
until stage 4 when corey decided to not lose
but they study the meta extensively
who r ur coaches
Crusty
I don't follow OWL I follow LoL Esports and mainly the LCS and LCK, most of our coaches aren't really players outside of a few
rush and moon
no like their name
well, I don't follow OWL extensively like I do LoL esports
I think it's not the best idea to take any individual coach 100% at their word for everything about the game
bc i know most of the t2 and collegiate coaches
well good coaches wont tell you about the game
bc you should already know a lot abt it
just how certain metas are played etc
like
the potential next meta
i j got a vod review the other day
bc i didnt know how to play it
still dont but
well get there
No sombra Winstone dive?
well
its gonna continue to be flexible so youll still see that
but theres been a lot of ram sombra tracer
ngl
has it been confirmed next stage is on this live patch?
I kind of hate metas that aren't really defined
Sombra meta gets boring so quickly
like the one we're experiencing right now
sombra is always boring when she's meta
agreed
owl is taking a break bc of owwc
and also they said that owl this season will probably never be on live
Its boring to see the tank get one shot after the 10th emp bombing a series
well owl comes back in I think 2-3 weeks?
what would make them not be on live
so unless they have a patch tomorrow it should be on current patch
^^^
the entirety of the league scrimming on a single patch for 3 months just for blizzard to drop the most dishonest, unlawful, disgusting balance patch
2 days before owl starts back up
yes but my point is
summer stage is july 13 so i think... its gonna be s5 patch right
it should be
theyre scrimming on the new s5 patch
ohhh
there's gonna be a midseason s5 patch
there's a chance they might not play on the midseason s5 patch come summer stage
Because I think a week out they don't change what owl plays on
i mean they might
they have given the coaches and players access to patches b4 they come out
in the past i think
it entirely depends on the coaches and players
Honestly for owl its still pretty alright other games have it way worse with updates during tourneys
but they probably will say no
id ont get how owl teams scrim on old patches tho
i never understand how the patches work
is it just a seperate client
yes
Mhm
yes
contenders also get the client
yea
iirc owl and contenders scrim on separate accounts
so as to hide names and shit
it probably has a different client just for that as well
I think they have their owl accounts which are just their name
names were hidden
and then I know some teams have accs that are named like "GLADIATOR01"
you wre playing against SFS0276
these accs are for coaches and spectators
bc i rmb when super played in 2020
he talked about how players would ask who was playing genji in scrims
when he was playing genji
yeah they prob dont
bc the leaked scrims all have their names
cuz i have a bunch of scrim codes and they all have the names
ayea
and when streamers stream contenders matches they're not hidden
Youโre allowed to?
So owl you cannot
no
But t2
i guess
Blizzard make sense challenge
well
actually yea
they should j make it liek csgo
where u can spectate
in game
also owwc you can
cuz hydron
i was in a relationship with @/aspire_ow.
tw grooming https://t.co/hWbBNQuo6T
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bro another one
Damm
Man ;-;
OW try not message minors challenge (impossible)
Hope it turns out to be total bs
idk that's alot of screenshots
bruh....
Uh oh
any bets on which team signs venom
I saw that lft too
The problem is he is going back to army in august
Thatโs a month
doubt any team will sign him
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first try
Wish the best to the new guys and old teammates for the next half of season, they all deserve support. I 100% did not perform up to my standards, but I am genuinely happy to be out of a negative environment
Avalla created her own toxic wasteland with constant lies to our team,โฆ
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I thought these were scam links
I really want this shit to be figured out
Is avalla that bad
we've known this for a while
she's fuckin terrible
first red flag was when she voted for that korean president that liked 70000 hour work weeks or some shit
and now this
doesn't the current sk president wanna like
abolish women's rights or some shit
absolute deranged shit
Is this esport
Whos that?
gm of vegas


gotta be honest I thought this was known longer. I thought that Benbest even said that it was a toxic enviorment with avalla. Not sure about the benbest part but this is the second time in 2 seasons they drop half or their entire roster. That org is simply really badly managed
Dropping half the roster Ist new Tbf some teams tend to do that
Ya
Everybody noticed it.
Just Ist new
fair
But I honestly think Avalla should also be dropped yeah
Sign a new gm
Vegasโs needed to do something ether way
What does gm mean
I will say on a other topic that I saw the aspire allegations. Damn this is rough
general manager
๐
I think I wanna see avalla with a good roster apparently she was good in contenders
tbh tho vegas are still fucked because apparently they ain't even gonna fly their players to na
Idk if this is true tho
I also wanna wait till there evidence against avalla
Gonna feel bad for there players there actually pretty good
Ya just gonna have to wait it out till we see if it true tho
yeah but it does look bad tho
So are they gonna replace aspire?
Iโm assuming they might
But even if they do, they can easily find another player
Especially with all the Korean talent out there
RATE THE LINEUP
๐ก๏ธmikeyy
โ๏ธ Aspire
โ๏ธ Sinatraa
โ๏ธ kephrii
๐ Redshell
๐ Provide
๐ EeveeA
NAHHHH
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The dream team ๐ฅถ
no minor will stand a chance ๐ช ๐ช
no adult stands a chance with sin either ๐ญ
with a minor
ohhh
kephrii did that thing too?
Dreamkazper would change this team from a 9/10 to a 10/10
The carry they need
Drop kephrii hes washed
tf did eeveea do
EeveeA is not the person you thought she was.
https://t.co/GQYtadB7cl
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LFT OWL
I'm going to the army in August
Lastly, please contact me
discord: venom1#6251
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He could go to shock they need a good tracer
Nahhhhh that's outta pocket ๐๐๐๐
Why canโt people be NORMAL
Ow players talk to people your own age challenge (hard)
What makes them act such things like that
Anyhoo
Why canโt I buy the WC echo skin
Is there another World Cup after
if u want to fit the trend of pedos
dreamkazper over sin
i think he was in teh original tweet i got that from
LMAO
Holy shit I didn't know bro flew out to Spain just to sleep with someone
Damn aspire Ur careers fucked
and that someone being a minor when he was 21 ๐ญ
Overwatch pro players try to not be weird creeps challenge
nah but how many people in owl have messaged minors now ๐ญ
I can think of 4 off the top of my head
How hard is it not to act ??? Like you know what the consequences are and you know youโll get caught
Aspire and my last groomer be sending dangerously similar messages ๐ญ Not to accidentally traumadump but mine said he'd fly from Canada to Texas just to sleep with me (horrifying when you are lkke 13-14 and the other person is 16-17, so I can't imagine someone being Older and doing that) so these things are more common than you'd expect but it still is awful
Wrong msg reply oops
Itโs so awful
What makes it always worse is that these people know itโs morally wrong get publicly punished for it and know their career might be over because of it and still do it imo that just shows how manipulative they are
And sick
My ex turned 20 when I was turning 17, she had started the relationship and then she ended it after a year, so the aspire thing hits close to home and it is so disgusting
it also sucks that titans knew about it for months
*Ex being different from the canadian groomer.. But ljke.
OWL players be normal challenge failed
At least we still got hydron the goat to be the hitscan
Hydron is so fucking funny I love him dearly
If nobody's got us I know Hydron's got us can I get a hell yeah
Hell yeah
don't jinx this
๐ญ
Let's not put players on a pedestal cause who knows what they've been doing 0_0
i like hydron cuz hes brazilian
I'll take Hydron and the Outlaws roster and if I jinx it then you guys can put a bullet in my brain or sumn with my notoriously bad luck but like. Those my goats.. It's mostly the western players it seems afaik but tbf I'm newer to owl stuff
Oh my god I think I had a stroke. ykwim though I think. Words aren't wordsing rn sorry
if super turns out to have done something bad i might just walk away from the internet for a while 
yeah i doubt it too
but you dont actually know any of these people so
the possibility is always there 

they're always there for me ๐ค
when i donate 5 dollars and they say my name ๐ค
i saw the sinatraa one coming from a mile away im ngl
same
that dude is just a weirdo
it unfortunately did not surprise me
unearned too
i saw that 
i think its so funny he still uses his jimmy fallon picture as his pfp
shockwave on ping
fr*nch
Mad cause your favorite main tank got mtd by benbest
my favorite is guxue or danteh
NO
The only one who looks funny in player cams is checkmate
Checkmate towers over his teammates
thats j nto true
crimzo
whos that one tank player
fuck if orgot
hat guy
but i remember one time i was watching w my team
and some dude was looking at the camera all crazy
and then when they went back to his pov the cam was off ๐ญ
crimzo looks like
a gym teacher
or a dude at a sports bar
yes but its so uncomfy
checkmate posted up 
the one time i had facecam in a tournament it was funny
bc i usually have my monitor close to my faceish
and the cam was attached ot the monitor
so it just showed the top of my head
๐ญ
Youre on of those people
forehead cam forehead cam
Head in the screen
its not so bad
what team u play for
No imag perms?
yup

Lmao
holy pro gamer angle
Because ohio
theres a miami county etc
i also am playing on saturation for the dive prty tournament
and am still lft for t3/t2 team
s
trialing is so exhausting
So are you allowed to use any type of mouse or controller to play professionally
yes
Cause i know some e sports that prohibit that
idk if ur allowed to play on console cuz a
aa
but ur allowed to plug a controller into pc
and play like that
still idk how it would work
i think u have to be on pc
but u can plug in a controller
i dont like him either
but the ego was very earned
he was top owl
https://twitter.com/BostonUprising/status/1673707989528715264?t=JwIeCnh8ln2RsO8f6UUcdw&s=19
It's been 10 minutes, this is real.
Is that the guy who stole wages
No
no, that's Jidset
@VancouverTitans you had a 90% win rate in 2019 and quit right after you hit it big
why mobydik
Crazy
fuck
People left
Why can't people just leave?
Wast he Philly coach?
yes
yep and not a very good one
I mean he was with the good fusion team
he was with 2020-2021 fusion
2020 fusion was great 2021 fusion had issues beyond coaching
like visas
the more questionable mark on his career is 2022 Toronto
he went .5 with ch0r0ng twilight muze heesu
not his fault
muze (mid)
heesue (mid)
finale (do i need to type)
chorong (my goat .2)
twilight (ana otp)
Twilight got a goated zen tbf
izzy zen go harder i fear
Link to RUI's follow up post: https://t.co/cZKNrLfTMT
Also Creed made a short post:
https://t.co/7eqL4vPx8U
"Long story short:
To coach [RUI]: thank you for guiding me as a player, and as an assistant coach for teaching me the responsibilities of a coach.
(cont)
RUI's follow up post:
I really wanted to be in a stable company, and to stay with them for many years, no matter what the company was. This included my stint at the Spark, the plan was to stay with them and sister So [President of the Hangzhou Spark] for many years.
RUI being threatened online after leaving Hangzhou Spark, the claims he was doing it for the money and he could have got someone else to take of it Holy fk
if you not doing for the money you gotta reconsider priorities tbf
specially on a franchise which is about to get scrapped
Ts is dead๐๐๐
@spare pecan hello 
Twilight (best ana evrr)
hello
NO WAY BRO
LETS FUCKING GO
LETS GOOOO
i thought they kept rak?
The goat
BRO
not real
fake eternal account
ONE TIME IN AN INTERVIEW THEY ASKED HIM THREE ITEMS HED BRING TO A DESERT ISLAND AND HE SAID "tennis ball"
cope harder
magicm8ball leads eternal to grand finals
tennis ball to bounce against the wall ๐ญ๐ญ๐ญ
he's so funny dude
he's unintentionally the funniest ms in ow
I remember seeing a super video (i think) featuring m8ball and he was saying that he was scared to talk to girls on his campus lmao๐ญ
wtf
PACKWATCH
Rip
Told you they'd be releasing them
Their new hs?
Honestly, bring baconjack out of retirement
So Vancouver can have the ultimate mixed roster
Perfect time to sign bumper
They had no choice now that the public found out
yeah
they should have done something before
you know it would be worse if the public found out that they knew
Don't get me wrong they absolutely should've
Ig they just didn't want to let go of a good player
Or a player in general
Van needs a hs that isnt Korean, Canadian, Australian, or american
i get the reasoning
but its funny they said they take this very seriously
but you cant hide something like that
Wasnt that the same scenario with shock and sinatraa
No, in the grooming sense
I meant how the org knew about their players wrong doings and kept it under the rug
It was after owl
I thought they did while he was still in owl
i think yes
He retired mid season
ripbozo
Of 2019
Sinatraa and now Aspire just go to show that organizations don't give a shit what a player does as long as they're good enough
classic case of caring when it benefits them
The fact that Sinatraa is as popular as ever both as an entertainer and e-sports player is insane to me
what does he do now
Val
even if we ignore moral perspective its the right move to drop him from the corpo perspective aswell
He's a pro Valorant player and streamer
Rakes in millions I assumr
I think he's on Sentinels
apparently alot of the scene knew about it
Isnt sentinels dead
not rly
I personally don't follow valorant esports but last I checked he was on that team
hes not
Theyve def fell from their former grace
didn't something happen with him in val as well
I thought he was a player 
but thankfully many casters came out and said they would straight up refuse to cast if sin came back to play
Goated casters
More
he was suspended immediatlely from playing
he was a player before it all came out
good
it did but it was when he was in the ow scene
no i mean somthing else
he actually tried to come back to pro play and he didnt even qualify
If supertf ever gets exposed for something criminal my life will be in shambles
Not my goat
i googled and super has higher avg viewership
yes
cant remember
he said he would provide the video
He didn't cooperate with Riot I think
or the police
He did with the police but didn't with Riot
Is it around 3k ?
but then the girl dropped it bc of all the threats etc she was getting for it
I actually dont know
what was it for?
sa
oh
are we talking ab sinatra
that was the reason
Imagine being so proud to stand behind a criminal that you harass a fucking victim
with audio proof
Insane behavior
i thought that was before
yes
super 4k sin 3,3k
so all the valo and sin fan degenerates saw this as he is innocent
the case was dropped bc the evidence was gathered illegally so it wouldn't hold up in court
but it's still evidence regardless so yes he did do it
Yeah seems right
has a better yt channel
huh what?
yea
sins has no vids on it
she said she dropped it bc of the threats and her mental health
How can evidence be gathered illegally in the first place
Ask julian assange
lots of ways
you'd be surprised
odds hyrdron plays tank on lan?
0
Depends if they own the other teams again
Hydron shows that fraud fearless whoโs boss
fr
I wanna see Coluge's balls get mvp again
his pov was so funny
if usa dont come top 5
every time he got slept he would lean back on his chair laughing
Bro USA is winning
i would laugh so much
breaking privelege , police lacking probable cause (this is quite likely in a sa case bc its hard to definitively prove) , evidence gained through coercion
etc
Sk, ksa, and us top 3
china
ksa doesn't hold a candle to sk or usa
top2
?
roster
china
or china
I saw him miss three jumps a row one jump he missed the bubble on high ground then next he got slept mid jump and then the last jump he just didnt land properly on highground and slipped off๐
~~japan wins usa drops a nuke ~~
Btw, what are Sweden and UK records
Ksa only has Yzn and that's it
Majed?
he was part of jan 6
uk is 3-1 and sweden is 0-3
USA has an actually competent hitscan player so it's joever for ksa
Denmark looks mid
saudi
Saudi
HUHH
Saudi
which team
Saudi tank
ah
Ahh
they dont look top 3 caliber but could be top5
Thats why
aspire hasnt been dropped from team usa yet
I thought they named their team after their player lmao
the france series was a flop from denmark though
Yes he has
it was announced yesterdy
Ksa is only owning because they play against teams that do not know how to aim a crosshair if their life depends on it
Pak dominated
Also nicogdh looks still good for not having played ow for like 10 years
Aspire got dropped from USA moments after the allegations rose
What are the top teams in EU rn
It's impressive how fast they reacted
uk ksa finland france denmark
also force everyone on 110ping while abusing pharah
pharah op ping hero
denmark
for research purposes
sweden are ass
def not sweden lol
I pray for KSA's downfall just because their fanbase consists of the single most annoying people on the planet
denmark is top 5 in eu
lost to turkey lmfao
denmark is top 3
Kevster on ping
and not 3
Copium
denmark beat uk and if they dont choke they shouldve beaten france aswell
bad
the messi moment comes to mind
where is messi
denmark SHOULD be the best in their group
they lose to uk if uk dont choke too
the rest of them r crazy tho
They didnt choke
They got rolled on push
Nevertheless ksa is nothing without yzn
underperformed is a better word then
And roled on koth
and majed
Get them out
ksa is actually stacked outside yzn
koth was close
all of their players are yzn level contenders players outside the mercy otp
Wasnt it
- majed owl
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