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[keen cargo]

they lucio brig brawl all the time

and why is tracer so damn tall in that graphic

[static pond]

Owl posted summer stage schedule

Then deleted it

[paper seal]

#513793713462312980 message

They died 😔😔

[hollow briar]

LMAO

Good

https://twitter.com/yiskaout/status/1671206560041775118?s=46&t=ISwF-27FsqiGO7V5yQBKfw

Yiska (@YiskaOut)

Breaking: The Chengdu Hunters have left Overwatch League for good

https://t.co/6FP83J3RNz

Likes

789

Twitter · Jun 20, 2023, 5:21 PM

Time to buy the Ashe skin then

[wispy yacht]

CHENGDU DEAD ☹️

[vital creek]

hi

[uncut drum]

fucking blizzard

we lose two teams this year

glad gone

we might lose the other Chinese teams this year as well

[wispy yacht]

might as well lose the fucking league

next year we could lose like literally every team

the overwatch league has not been profitable

[next mesa]

just burn it all down

midseason madness was so mid

[wispy yacht]

really put the mid in midseason

[weary talon]

Is this confirmed

Or can they still survive

[tropic herald]

Basically if no one buys the slot it will be dissolved

[weary talon]

Who’ll want to sink their money for that tho

☹️

I think the league should honestly separate itself as much as possible from blizzard

[wispy yacht]

it was perfect when it was just apex and contenders

but the idea of a franchised league with millions of dollars for a buyin

is crazy

and it never worked out in the end

and at the same time

the players live in literal slavery

[weary talon]

Maybe

[wispy yacht]

but at least they get to "pursue their passion"!

[weary talon]

When the Microsoft acquisition gets finalized Microsoft can fund the league and its teams

[wispy yacht]

i doubt microsoft is gonna do anything

the appeal was the ips and the live service not their esports scenes

[weary talon]

Also i just find it silly that teams in such a fragile environment are economically not tied to the league

[wispy yacht]

they dont give a shit about cdl and owl

[pallid pebble]

https://twitter.com/OWCavalry/status/1671231522530050063

Overwatch Cavalry (@OWCavalry)

The @ChengduHunters have exited the @overwatchleague 🐼

The team did not field a roster for #OWL2023 and were omitted from the schedule announcement. Today, a spokesperson confirmed they are the first team to exit the league.

📰 Read More: https://t.co/ksed6zlDQd

Twitter · Jun 20, 2023, 7:00 PM

the start of many

[weary talon]

I honestly think blizzard or microsoft or whoever should pay for the player’s housing &salary etc not the teams themselves

[pallid pebble]

that is

very expensive

[weary talon]

70 billion dollar company

[wispy yacht]

nah it has to be the orgs

blizzard doesnt care

also thats how its always been with professional leagues

[weary talon]

That’s why im hoping for Microsoft to do something

[pallid pebble]

it costs like 1m a year to run an esports team

[wispy yacht]

in football you dont see the premier league paying for the player's salaries

[weary talon]

Its not because its the way it has always been that its good

[wispy yacht]

and the premier league make so much money off just streaming the games

[weary talon]

Thats différent because football is a well established league not like owl

And they have bigger sponsors

More viewers

And theyre on the tv

[wispy yacht]

but both leagues are the same concept

[weary talon]

That’s not that much i actually expected it to be more

[wispy yacht]

orgs bought into owl knowing full-well they would be responsible for pretty much every expense

[weary talon]

Yes but when you got orgs leaving the league is worthless

[wispy yacht]

same with how other pro sports teams cover their own expensestoo

[wispy yacht]

im not saying its a bad idea

but im saying that blizzard would never do something like that

[weary talon]

Also dont they have to pay an astronomically huge entry fee every year??

[wispy yacht]

and that its unconventional

no

[weary talon]

Like 20 mil

[wispy yacht]

not to my knowledge

[weary talon]

Or something

[wispy yacht]

that was in 2018

for a spot in the league

[weary talon]

Ah

[wispy yacht]

that was a one-time fee

[weary talon]

Ah

I must’ve misinterpreted

It

[wispy yacht]

still stupid

shouldve just took the orgs with the most competitive rosters and make them owl

not buy a spot in

too risky

deadass owl couldve done like a whole 50 team tournament to decide which orgs get into owl

that couldve been better and a lit more cost efficient

and it allows orgs with less money to try for a spot

personally we should get like

[weary talon]

Thats also probably the reason why you got good teams in t2 and mediocre teams in t1

[wispy yacht]

a relegation/promotion format

so we dont have teams like vegas ever again

[weary talon]

Vegas valiant arent owl level

They’re T2

[wispy yacht]

yeah bc o2 blast dont got the big bucks like netease gaming or some shit

inagine if owl just did relegation/promotion

valiant and vegas would no longer be a thing

and we would see teams like o2 blast and dreamers run it down in owl

regularly

for a year

[uncut drum]

season one was the only time where all the leagues has a profit season 2 was most of the team

[wispy yacht]

it also encourages orgs to fight for a t1 spot instead of budget cutting every single fucking year

[uncut drum]

now i one team get profit that is rare

[wispy yacht]

(fuck you avalla)

[wispy yacht]

literallly

[keen abyss]

valiant is so sad because they don’t deserve to be 0-8

[weary talon]

They’re ass

[keen abyss]

they’ve had some really competitive matches against solid teams

[wispy yacht]

theyre ass but watchable

still ass tho

[keen abyss]

they just can’t close it out

[wispy yacht]

like i will enjoy watching valiant

[keen abyss]

not to mention their schedule was really fucked

[weary talon]

Seeker is the only player i could see getting signed to a bigger org

[wispy yacht]

but if vegas are playing i want to turn off my stream

malthel and vulcan are just so fucking bad man 😭

[weary talon]

Vegas is so boring

They look bored

They play like shit and aren’t entertaining

[wispy yacht]

yeah at least valiant try with their ram rush

and make it interesting

[weary talon]

That’s why i like london as well

They’re not that great

To say the least

But their games are fun to watch

Especially when they’re on the rein

[wispy yacht]

thats why

paris in 2021

and london in 2022

were the funnest teams to watxh

[keen abyss]

my guilty pleasure is I enjoy watching pharm*rcy doom comp

[wispy yacht]

please grow and change as a person supa

[tropic herald]

season 2 stage 3 finals

[keen abyss]

it’s a nice change of pace from ram rush and tracer sombra/hanzo dive

[wispy yacht]

i sentence you to 20 minutes of 2023 vegas eternal gameplay

[keen abyss]

it’s poke but also dive

[weary talon]

I seen some teams play that this season but it always had below average success

[keen abyss]

unironically my favorite match

[wispy yacht]

not my favorite bc shock lose

[keen abyss]

watching shock get so close just to crumble

[weary talon]

Why play anything but ram rush on anything besides dive maps

[keen abyss]

while forcing goats

[wispy yacht]

are you not a firm believer of the bastion junkrat sigma bap zen comp? smh

[keen abyss]

ball pharm*rcy doom

[wispy yacht]

(i made that comp up)

[keen abyss]

yeah colourhex won contenders Australia on every role

[weary talon]

Ofc but i must say i prefer the Lucio mercy hog rush comps

[keen abyss]

but youngjin beat prime shock on every role at the peak of open queue

in one set

[wispy yacht]

my favorite comp is orisa hog with 1 mercy

[keen abyss]

nobody loves you

[wispy yacht]

that was truly a sign of the times

[keen abyss]

😋

[wispy yacht]

you should ask your mother to fact check that one

[keen abyss]

season 1 playoffs sucked

[wispy yacht]

🥱

[weary talon]

Zarya Winston just reigns superior

[keen abyss]

season 2 playoffs sucked

season 3 playoffs was watchable but sucked

season 5 playoffs was watchavle but sucked

[wispy yacht]

season 3 playoffs watchable???

you could bear hog sigma double sniper?

they made a worse version of double shield

i fucking hated rhat meta

[keen abyss]

the grand finals and shock vs justice matches were entertaining in short bursts

even if it was the lowest competitive integrity meta the league has seen

[tropic herald]

philly going 0-6 in playoffs was watchable

[wispy yacht]

😭

[keen abyss]

please be nice to little sansy

you’re always so mean to him

[weary talon]

Shock only won 2020 because one of the two tanks super is good at was meta

[wispy yacht]

i mean

[keen abyss]

real shanghai win in dive

[wispy yacht]

thats how it always has been

[keen abyss]

shock win bc surprise hog meta

[wispy yacht]

you win owl by getting lucky with the meta

[keen abyss]

low competitive integrity

[keen abyss]

sadly we have had only one exception to this

[weary talon]

Or you force what you’re good at to be meta

[tropic herald]

i would say s1 and s3 are really the only

[wispy yacht]

shanghai moment

[tropic herald]

mickey mouse meta ones

[wispy yacht]

season 2 was also shit

[weary talon]

Iirc dallas pretty much forced reaper into being meta last season

[wispy yacht]

role queue forced double shield

with doom

[tropic herald]

every other time the meta may have changed up but the team winning made since

[keen abyss]

any playoffs with reaper as a mainstay is ass

[tropic herald]

yeah but in s2 the teams that were good stayed good

[wispy yacht]

echo reaper 6 man dive...

[tropic herald]

LIP reaper

my goat

[wispy yacht]

nerf this! nerf this! nerf this! nerf this!

[keen abyss]

gladiators ran hydration sig in a doom meta and benched void

[wispy yacht]

sounds reasonable

[karmic charm]

s2 playoffs meta was the worst imo

[keen abyss]

let’s put our top tier doom on sig and void overwatch on the bench

[wispy yacht]

hydration tank sweeps void any day 🥱🥱

[weary talon]

Did they ever play

Ball hog

In owl

[keen abyss]

oasis city center

shock vs uhh

was it dynasty

Smurf ball super hog was played

was that the only time super Smurf was played in owl

[wispy yacht]

some say its torture but i say its heaven

sideshow my goat

[keen abyss]

nekkra is a little bit better but sidesohow is pretty good

[weary talon]

Tbh

All casters are good

[wispy yacht]

well at least they're always gonna be better than lemon legday

[keen abyss]

legday is very hit or miss for me

I think both of them can be good casters but I hate the duo sm

[wispy yacht]

i dont like the duo in general

legday is actually a good caster

but with lemon....

bro falls off the earth with lemon

[keen abyss]

I think if you have either of them alongside a diff caster like custa or jaws or Mitch

it’s good

[weary talon]

Didnt jake cast a few games this season

[wispy yacht]

give legday jaws and its gg

[wispy yacht]

he casted in 2020 thats all i remember

and he became a rap god

[weary talon]

Im insane then

Cause i swear i saw jake as a caster this season

For one series

[wispy yacht]

he mightve had to sub in for someone

[keen abyss]

maybe custa

since he was like

getting married or smth idk

msm knockouts are a bit more urgent imo but whatever his choice

[weary talon]

Lol

A once in a life team experience or watching Toronto having a mental boom

What do you choose

[wispy yacht]

"babe you dont understand i have to analyse lip sombra emp for the crowd instead of tying the knot rn"

[wispy yacht]

once in a lifetime experience bc toronto will always have a mental boom

cursed franchise

[stray solar]

Rip hunters

[karmic charm]

unironically

i think spitfire go 6/2 or 7/1 this stage

[stray solar]

How are the dragons doing?

[keen abyss]

you poor deluded soul

[karmic charm]

fletank

xd

[karmic charm]

they have a pretty easy schedule for a brawl meta

[keen abyss]

what’s their schedule

[keen abyss]

hadi ram is ass I fear

[weary talon]

They are doing

[karmic charm]

reign
nyxl
sfs
lav
lag
veg
lav again ??
hou

[keen abyss]

and they’re hopeless on maps where you can’t force rush

[karmic charm]

they will force rein and do well

or jq

[weary talon]

Hadi dva

[karmic charm]

its not a dva meta

its brawl

/ rush

[weary talon]

No i know but his dva is

Atrocious

[keen abyss]

wait why is london strength of schedule so consistently easy

[karmic charm]

it wasnt last stage

this stage they get the teams they didnt play

but idk why lav twice

[karmic charm]

loss
win
win
win
50/50
win
win
50/50

[keen abyss]

no way you’re giving them 50/50 on houston

you have a ludicrous amount of faith in this team after what happened last stage

[plush grail]

TEAM REBUILD TIME BABEE

[karmic charm]

i have faith bc its not dive anymore

[uncut drum]

what

are yous smoking

[karmic charm]

its brawl meta

which is perfect for them

mei cass lucio bap

[uncut drum]

not confirmed

that is the meta on live

[karmic charm]

they are playing on s5 patch

im 99% sure

[uncut drum]

not yet

we dont know

[karmic charm]

wdym not yet

[uncut drum]

they said maybe they will

[karmic charm]

their first match is july 13th

[uncut drum]

they were like we might not be on live till next season

[karmic charm]

thatll be around mideason patch

they will obvs be on s5 patch

[uncut drum]

you never know with this league

but if they are

yes they will go 6-2

lose to huston and alanta

[karmic charm]

houston is always houstonable

hence why i put 50/50

atlanta basically just free loss tho

[uncut drum]

but you never know the meta in gf it was going to be zarya but because of fuel it went to repear dive

teams might find a better meta

[karmic charm]

it wasnt gonnabe zarya

[uncut drum]

but if london are smart they will try force rush

[karmic charm]

it was gonna be winston tracer

[karmic charm]

tbf theyll do this anyway

even if its dive

if its not hard brawl they go 3-5, maybe 4-4

[keen abyss]

they haven’t dropped shit to anyone but Atlanta

and beat Atlanta multiple times in rush mirror

[karmic charm]

yes but its houston

[keen abyss]

they haven’t dropped shit to anyone but Atlanta

they won every non Atlanta tourney and reg season match

and beat Atlanta multiple times in rush mirror

[karmic charm]

that just means theyre overdue for a houstonable match

[keen abyss]

that’s what grand finals was wdym

[karmic charm]

london will still play them closer if not winning vs them in brawl

they took a map off houston in dive so

[stoic bronze]

Chengdu has left the league

Vegas next?

[marsh dove]

get ur chengdu skins.

yw

[wispy yacht]

ure right

im gonna get chengdu ball

just in honor of our fallen brethren

[marsh dove]

got chengdu lucio

🥹

and i already have pharah and cree from ow1

[weary talon]

Imagine they take out the chengdu skins

☹️

[ebon aurora]

there's a lot of rumours that Glads might be done after this season

[feral zodiac]

Suprised so many teams have lasted this long tbf

None of them are turning profit

[tropic herald]

It’s not really a rumor at this point

[stoic bronze]

Its confirmed

[ebon aurora]

was it?

[tropic herald]

Basically glads owner’s owner said if no one buys the slot the team is dead

They pulled out of all esports except ones with active contracts

[feral zodiac]

Still can't fathom what made blizzard think putting the entry price at 20 fucking million would be a good idea

[ebon aurora]

was that before the news about Defiant though and their entry fees being waived by Blizzard or whatever it was?

[tropic herald]

Tbf the game and league was promising

Just not 20mil promise

[feral zodiac]

Very far from 20 million promised yeah

[tropic herald]

It was before the season even started

[feral zodiac]

Esports just isn't that level of profitable

[tropic herald]

Yeah

[ebon aurora]

so could that news have changed the Glads owners' minds

[tropic herald]

Even league which is the peak of esports, is a money pit

[ebon aurora]

Also there is always the Microsoft merger to consider as well

[tropic herald]

But also it’s not just OW that org pulled out of

[feral zodiac]

Valve are the only company that doesn't seem to give a single fuck about turning a profit in its esports, just throws whatever money at dota

[tropic herald]

They pulled out of everything

[feral zodiac]

Oh yeah

[tropic herald]

Steam is an infinite money glitch

[feral zodiac]

But I get the feeling there's going to be a wave of that across the esports scene

[stoic bronze]

Looks like danteh might get replaced by marvel

Rumors on liquipedia says marvel going to glads

[feral zodiac]

Wish I invented steam

I want to throw 10 million at some minor tournament for no good reason

[static pond]

https://twitter.com/overwatchleague/status/1671292988725825537?s=46

Overwatch League (@overwatchleague)

https://t.co/ILlyuRP4Hh

Twitter · Jun 20, 2023, 11:04 PM

Yay they actually gave us a heads up

[hollow briar]

Time to get Ashe skin

[mortal cipher]

noice

time for the Pharah II or something else like Ball or a New character

sad

[tropic herald]

What hunters skin should I acquire

Ball Pharah Widow or Mercy

[hollow briar]

All of them

[stoic bronze]

Ball and pharah are the best ones since they are the largest part of the hunters legacy

Then you got baconjacks widow and xerneas mercy

[stoic bronze]

Ye I was confused too

[north relic]

mercy since thats the only hero u rlly play

[stoic bronze]

I got pachi victory

[cursive cypress]

They will fix it ? In game wc icon still locked ..

[static pond]

https://twitter.com/vancouvertitans/status/1671313955783069696?s=46

Vancouver Titans (@VancouverTitans)

[Update]

Welcome to the Vancouver Titans…

Twitter · Jun 21, 2023, 12:27 AM

[stoic bronze]

Wait who is that

Oh lmao team canada

So is all of team Canada just at the titans house

[north relic]

is that seeker

wait im a face recognition god

[tropic herald]

dude what

[chilly mauve]

i think marvel to glads is fine

danteh struggles on ball rein winston

marvel would fit the gap

[stoic bronze]

Just hoping danteh doesnt get released

Because marvel can also play the heroes that danteh plays

[loud elbow]

we'll probably see Danteh primarily on Junker Queen and Ram while Marve1 plays winston

honestly that was probably the only fault of the gladiators, they didn't have a second tank that could sub in for Danteh

[cloud latch]

ball skin

[stoic bronze]

I will be hella pissed if danteh gets released for marvel

But I dont think itll come to that

[uncut drum]

https://twitter.com/Kevin_Hitt/status/1671368412713590785?s=20

Kevin Hitt (@Kevin_Hitt)

Sources tell me the league brass did not inform owners of this development and while some had an idea, nothing official was said to them.....

Twitter · Jun 21, 2023, 4:04 AM

If this is true

[glossy dawn]

is China not participating in this year's OWWC?

[earnest leaf]

they are playing

it's basically spark

[vagrant jacinth]

crying...

[frigid hamlet]

is there any way to get world cup ana skin even tho she isnt in the apac, emec or americas bundle?

[hazy marsh]

just filter by "unowned" and scroll below the OWL skins

1k ow coins

[frigid hamlet]

thank you so much, really wanted an orange ana skin

[sullen berry]

I found it weird there were gaps, too

It's not like they don't want our money

[ebon aurora]

Do you think any surprise packages will qualify for OWC groups or do you think it's likely to be all the favourites that make it?

[sullen berry]

Favorites given how strong established regions are

But I really really want to see someone take the 2 America spots that's not USA and Canada

[ebon aurora]

I don't know how much of a shock it would be but I could see Netherlands making it over France

[ebon aurora]

I'd love it, but I can't see it - I basically know no names on the other country's rosters

[earnest leaf]

outside of canada and usa the other teams are made up of actual 9-5 workers

I don't recognize almost any of the names

[sullen berry]

That's the point, the non-committment makes sense

[earnest leaf]

although I do wish if there is even another WC that there is a 2 player per team limit for rosters

[ebon aurora]

In regards to France's roster, I basically know very little about their DPS other than Nico (and idk if he actually still plays the game much) whereas Netherlands have 2 solid tanks (admittedly, both traditional MT), 3 solid DPS and at least one well-known support

[earnest leaf]

so we don't just end up with 3 full on owl teams and get to see a wider variety of players

instead of the coaches nepo picks

[ebon aurora]

I think Netherlands over France is the only realistic upset I can see happening

and even though, idk how much of an upset that would be

[sullen berry]

What about APAC 🤔

[ebon aurora]

I mean it's South Korea and Japan easily

[sullen berry]

You have a couple of breakdowns already

Like India not fielding a full roster of local talent

Again, makes some sense there

And Singapore who are a hot mess

[ebon aurora]

India have some solid players, maybe they make it over presumably Australia or NZ

having said that, Thailand are basically fielding a team that just won APAC Contenders

Group B of Asia-Pacific might be the most competitive

Australia, NZ, Thailand and India are all in with a shout

for only 2 spots

[wispy blade]

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[karmic charm]

u don't recognise sk or uk?

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[ebon aurora]

think they meant in just the Americas region

apart from the Canada/USA rosters, I know no players on any of the other countries in that group

[wispy yacht]

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well boy do i have news for you

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[earnest leaf]

Just the usa/canada group

[sullen berry]

Fortunately there's somebody who can help with that

https://twitter.com/Semper_Terra?t=mzocJCb_GADfCIE9B2IO3g&s=09

[karmic charm]

ohhh

[karmic charm]

mb

[sullen berry]

America A and America B split means only two winners each make it out of their group

[plush grail]

no way usa make it far

they have a bottom 10 owl tank

[sullen berry]

They just happen to have Canada and USA in the same group with lesser known rosters on Mexico, Costa Rica, Puerto Rico and Guatemala

[plush grail]

kenobi did ur country sign any hobbits?

[sullen berry]

I hope team USA beats Canada, and somehow manage to lose to any other country and get eliminated outta nowhere

Colourhex is the only hobbit I see

[ebon aurora]

Anyone else think Netherlands over France or am I in the minority there

[plush grail]

not a single dutch player ever had succes

not counting casores who is a assistant coach

so no

i dont see them winning shit

[cedar oasis]

Yea

The Dutch suck

Those inbred fuckers

[plush grail]

mods???

this is legit just racism???

[cursive cypress]

Icon World Cup still bugged ?

[uncut drum]

?

[cedar oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/cry-about-it-gif-21537393

[rugged quest]

from what ive heard france not looking very strong

could prob go either way if france are worse than usual

[keen abyss]

probably whichever one you don’t already have a skin for that isn’t widowmaker

[shell cedar]

Is saudi arabia in the world cup 🐹

[tropic herald]

Prob ball or Pharah

[tropic herald]

Yea

[shell cedar]

👍

[keen abyss]

xerneas hate

the team with the best m*rcy in the league..

• your most iconic hero

[tropic herald]

Guangzhou

• I am not a mercy player

[keen abyss]

the chengdu legacy is xerneas

[keen abyss]

you select her the most in the group

[tropic herald]

Do I

[keen abyss]

you or Levi

despite being the best m*rcy in the group I only play her in mystery heroes and custom games

[tropic herald]

I am better

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damn you suck lol

[tropic herald]

I started with not Korea

My first mistake

[keen abyss]

spoiler :/

[keen abyss]

mfw owlel is a ||korean western dps player||

(it is a very funny game)

||ngl I completely forgot this team existed and went through the western teams like 5 times before remembering||

[north relic]

take second place Philly fan

[little echo]

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[north relic]

I’m god

[tropic herald]

I miss this

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/348939546878017536/1121105706708369449/image.png

[hot onyx]

Goatsa

[plush grail]

cringe

[loud elbow]

a hidden op roster that never got properly coached

[plush grail]

"Op roster"

Sasin

[placid fern]

i havent really been paying attention to the world cup teams

lhcloudy and YNASA are playing??

what other notable content creators/iinteresting non-contenders or collegiete/OWL talent is there

also why does india only have 1 player from

[shell cedar]

Shh🤫

[next mesa]

yznsa is contenders

and lhcloudy been in owl before

[rugged quest]

Could you specify in what teams/groups? thats a pretty broad question

[placid fern]

just generally in the world cups that are competiting for qualification

[rugged quest]

to be honest i dont think there are any interesting under contenders level talent unless they are coming back from a break

all of the notable players that can make a big difference have played on that level

[weary talon]

Magicm8ball

[rugged quest]

but hes a contenders player right?

[weary talon]

Right

I thought they were still open dib

Div

[tepid ibex]

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[plain turtle]

i am here to learn about electronic gaming

@unique root teach me

[unique root]

my explanations would consist of "i think" after every sentence despite the fact that i will have extensively googled it

[plain turtle]

wouldnt expect anything else

[unique root]

im so glad u understand me

[keen abyss]

let me MANSPLAIN some overwatch league real quick

[plain turtle]

YEAHHHH

[tropic herald]

go on king

[cloud latch]

yes supa-chan please explain :3

[loud elbow]

tbf, it's really hard to tell how good a roster really is until you actually see them in action, you could say 'chiyo fielder and hawk' are really good together, but you won't actually know until you actually watch matches

[wispy yacht]

nah any backline with chiyo fielder is elite level

you dont have to watch any games anymore to know how good fielder chiyo is

the backline was the primary reason they won last year

[loud elbow]

yeah but before the season started you just didn't know how good any roster was

and no, I don't count pro-am as 'regular season'

[wispy yacht]

true

look at shock and defiant

they flopped despite having really good rosters on paper

[loud elbow]

honestly the problem with shock is their over reliance on proper

[wispy yacht]

yeah

also the pressure of performing well bc you're former teammates in contenders

[loud elbow]

like proper is the best dps in the league I don't think anyone would argue against that, but he was under so much pressure

[wispy yacht]

also since you're playing under the shock banner you're pressured to perform well since you play under a well-accomplished org

[wispy yacht]

he literally cannot do more 😭

finn and vindaim are just not doing shit

vindaim has been quite the letdown

[loud elbow]

proper just needs a new team

[wispy yacht]

proper needs to get out of san francisco

[loud elbow]

one where he's not under so much pressure

[wispy yacht]

maybe join mayhem or outlaws

[loud elbow]

I can see him moving to apac

[unique root]

i mean ive watched alot more owl during spring stage and msm so im able to form some opinions and such like chiyo and fielder or shu and viol2t but since i havent been watching for that long id rely on what people who know more have to say ykwim

[wispy yacht]

apac's kinda ass i'd doubt he'd move to apac

[earnest leaf]

why would proper leave after 1 bad season

[wispy yacht]

bc shock are ass and they kiss his ass too much

[earnest leaf]

and the season isn't even over

[loud elbow]

apac consistently outperforms west in terms of tournament performance

outside of a few exceptions of course

[wispy yacht]

proper needs a team that actually can hold their own ground

instead the crusty gameplan is "proper kill 5"

what happened to the crusty that coached a ranked widow otp into one of the best hitscan players in the league

[earnest leaf]

his backline back then wasn't struggling to stay together after two months of playing

Ans was insane but also given an environment to succeed

[wispy yacht]

the only time apac have beaten na was 2021

and both times were shanghai

[earnest leaf]

apac has been the weaker region each year

[wispy yacht]

summer showdown 2021 and playoffs

[earnest leaf]

they've ridden off the backs of shanghai being the only meaningful team

and now that shd sucks both their teams this tourney got bounced 1st round

[wispy yacht]

literally

[loud elbow]

the other apac teams were good those years as well, it was just shanghai had the most goated roster in a while

[wispy yacht]

super talked about this on stream

shanghai looks good bc they shit on the worst teams in the league

and they play those same teams more

[loud elbow]

apac teams are looking to crush it this year though, if Fuel and Charge can actually play well this summer split

[earnest leaf]

Apac was generally shanghai shitting on the entire region, then another team being decent depending on the meta

I will say no apac team will get top 4 in playoffs

[wispy yacht]

charge double shield one tricks 😂

[loud elbow]

this is a hill I'm willing to die on, but if Jimmy ever gets to fight Lip, I'd bet on Jimmy winning

[earnest leaf]

on widow?

[wispy yacht]

yeah maybe in a hanzo battle

[loud elbow]

general 1v1 hitscan fight

[earnest leaf]

I mean he could

most hitscan players in the league now are generally good enough to compete with eachother

there can be outliers sometimes but it won't be a massive gap

[wispy yacht]

just from past years the only thing i see jimmy beating lip in a 1v1 with is hanzo

[sullen berry]

This may be the coldest take after seeing how not much has changed last year with the top East vs West teams at their peak

[loud elbow]

NA-ers constantly doubting apac teams

[wispy yacht]

my world cup preds for who qualifies for lan (seeded in order from best to worst):
na a: usa, canada, mexico (mexico is a long shot idk any of the other teams)
na b: colombia, brazil (EQO THE GOAT IS BACK)
eu a: uk, denmark, france
eu b: saudi arabia, sweden
apac a: korea, japan, hk (hk is debatable tho it could be anyone)
apac b: aus, india

[karmic charm]

looking to crush what? being consistently mid?

[karmic charm]

doubting apac teams who all placed worse than all na teams in msm

[cedar oasis]

Apparently spark are good

Off ping

[rustic roost]

alfie w

spark is

only good at winston comp

and thats just bc they have (in my opinion) the best winston player in the league rn

also the issue with shock is they built a team around proper who is not good enough to have a team built aroud him

in general building a team around one person isnt a good idea

never works

[cedar oasis]

So

Them getting the best players on every role out of contenders is somehow building a team around proper?

[rustic roost]

yes

instead of signing ppl who have been in owl and have experience

[split flume]

holy post hoc justification

[cedar oasis]

???

Lmao

So the whole Vegas roster is better then all of the rookies that's shock has?

[rustic roost]

well vegas has

0 money

which is why its baffling that they're retrialing their entire roster

also vegas is a very new team too

i dont think any of their players have been in the league more than 2 years

yea vegas is just

odyssey

2 years ago

they're all freshies

lol

[sullen berry]

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[weary talon]

It worked pretty well for shock last year

[rustic roost]

they weren't built around proper

that was j soj meta

they had a lot of good players

[split flume]

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owlel.zusor.io

my first smurf guess will work out one day

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owlel.zusor.io

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owlel.zusor.io

kevster did not work out for me

[cedar oasis]

Shock didn't build around proper.. they just got the best talents out of contenders wich all teams do..

[plush grail]

still suck ass

[cedar oasis]

Tru

Shock is a bum team with a bum coach

Crusty is a fraud

[plush grail]

the fuckin tank strat

play max and junbin on every hero to confuse the enemy

[cedar oasis]

Heeesang is ASS

[plush grail]

this is legit a horrible results page

they only managed to beat the bottom 4 teams

all with either 3-2 or a 3-1 score

[split flume]

we back in 2018

[split flume]

it's been so long

[karmic charm]

how did u randomly get the role wrong near the end 😭

[karmic charm]

ur team hasn't managed to beat a team in 368 days 😭

and that was with the old roster

they've had 1 win in 678 days

[balmy wolf]

Can someone tell me how I can unlock owl team icons?

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owlel.zusor.io

[lyric nimbus]

What

Is roadhog still bad?

[plush grail]

Legit whomegalul talking to me?

[karmic charm]

legit where are ur teams wins

9-80 in maps in the past year 💀

10.1% map winrate

[plush grail]

Who?

[karmic charm]

when?0

[plush grail]

Who?

[sullen berry]

What do you prefer, First to 2 or Eternal getting a win with Avalla

[worn falcon]

Eternal and Avalla

Jk i don't, i miss half french half EM eternal

[uncut drum]

https://www.twitch.tv/playoverwatch

we finally see some sort of meta

yes

[karmic charm]

eternal still won't get a win in first to 2 😭

so it's ram brawl

[uncut drum]

nah

most control is brawl

[frail haven]

guys which country will win world cup and why is it south korea

[plush grail]

not usa

[little echo]

puerto rico

[rustic roost]

lol

i scrimmed the puerto rico team a couple weeks ago

idk wtf is happening with romani

bro is choking

lol ppl accusing lethal of cheating

[hybrid dune]

no

Icav was actually trolling for the first round and the first half of the 2nd

[rustic roost]

is lethal even a hs player

this ashe gameplay is

questionable

[hybrid dune]

tracer player

[karmic charm]

he's not a tracer player

[hybrid dune]

idk then

[karmic charm]

he is a hs but spitfire kinda threw him on tracer

to replace shax

[little echo]

ye

I scrimmed them once aswell

[karmic charm]

so he hasn't rly played hs since last year

[hybrid dune]

ahh i didnt know the "lore"

[little echo]

anderp is my boy

[karmic charm]

which was pretty much soj only

[hybrid dune]

all i knew was he played tracer

[little echo]

he was on my team over winter

[karmic charm]

yeah idk why they have him on tracer

[hybrid dune]

i think turkey has better team comp rn

[rustic roost]

anderp

that sounds familiar

[little echo]

which is why I gotta support puerto rico

[little echo]

their carry

tbh

[rustic roost]

who

puerto rico?

[hybrid dune]

ICAV FINALLY WOKE UP

[unique root]

how do you just casually scrim these teams

[rustic roost]

same skill level

[hybrid dune]

this is close

teskol better get a big suzu on the rampage

[rustic roost]

these backlines r also questionable

[hybrid dune]

OH
THE SUZU KILL

WTF

[rustic roost]

lethal and forever r the only 2 i recognize

[hybrid dune]

Damn

c9

[rustic roost]

these casters suck im ngl

[ebon aurora]

that was a much more competitive 1st map than I was expecting

I was expecting Lethal just to carry

[hybrid dune]

nah the comp poland is pulling out are sus

[rustic roost]

honestly hitscan isnt that easy of a role to carry on in teamplay

tbf no role is particularly a carry role

[chilly mauve]

“Tracer”

[hybrid dune]

especialy in pro level

pub lobbies you go widow and go 50-1

[rustic roost]

well idk if id call this pro

[hybrid dune]

well "pro"

team cordination

better word for it

[rustic roost]

yea tehres no concrete term for it

[ebon aurora]

wonder what map type is being missed out in a best of 3? Push?

so Control/Hybrid/Escort?

[hybrid dune]

1st round was a massive suport diff but we forgive cause they arent warmed up right

[cerulean monolith]

Crazy? I was crazy once. They locked me in a room. A rubber room. A rubber room with rats. And rats make me crazy. - contenders chat

[hybrid dune]

bro i got chat hidden

[cerulean monolith]

Skill issue

[hybrid dune]

the suzu kill was kinda mad tho

[cerulean monolith]

I was eating and missed it

[ebon aurora]

I still don't understand why that can get enviro kills

[hybrid dune]

its a small boop

[ebon aurora]

I know it's so rare

[hybrid dune]

it annoys me

[ebon aurora]

but still, it's weird

[hybrid dune]

the amount of times

ive booped a rein trying to suzu the charge

[cerulean monolith]

I got one once in a scrim with my school team

[hybrid dune]

and the suzu runs out cause of the boop

[karmic charm]

crazy? I was crazy once

[cerulean monolith]

Why is everyone saying lethal is cheating?

[hybrid dune]

idk

i dont see it

[frail haven]

watch a watch party like ml7

[rustic roost]

maybe

[cerulean monolith]

Crazy? I was crazy once. They locked me in a room. A rubber room. A rubber room with rats. And rats make me crazy.

I don't like ml much

[hybrid dune]

whats the predicitons who wins?

[cerulean monolith]

Turk

[hybrid dune]

i think poland can take it they just gotta stop trolling on the team comps

cause rolling out on that cass.... nah man

[frail haven]

wtf were they doing lol

[rustic roost]

this is interesting

[frail haven]

wtf am i watching

[rustic roost]

circuit without poke

[frail haven]

0 man earth shatter

[uncut drum]

london got a good meta

we know it is brawl now

well we knew but now it is confirmed

[keen abyss]

london getting farmed by ram teams I fear

[forest grotto]

Wait they swapped off romani?

[rustic roost]

prob cuz his internet issues

[forest grotto]

Ah

[uncut drum]

nah

[rugged quest]

is romani playing form the us?

[uncut drum]

i feel a better rein will beat a ram

and sparkr hanzo or cree will be good

[rugged quest]

what is that supposed to mean

cant wait for ksa vs finland

[uncut drum]

i meant beat a ram

[rugged quest]

in pure brawl maps rein can beat a ram

especially if the rein players is better

[uncut drum]

that is why chadi will win

[chilly mauve]

Rein just gets outplayed by ram

Ram is clearly the better option

But u can make rein to work in certain cases

[forest grotto]

Is it SA vs Fin now?

[rugged quest]

yeah

[forest grotto]

damn this'll be a good one

Wanna see what would cloudy do against pharah

[rugged quest]

overall yes but i meant in like the most brawly maps like lets say village rein can totally beat ram

[rugged quest]

vestola.

finland has 2 former owl tanks

[chilly mauve]

Totally situational

If both teams were equal in skill

Then ram would come out on top

but that is never the case

[rugged quest]

depends on map...

im again talking about super brawly submaps

not overall

[forest grotto]

I think in this group

[chilly mauve]

Imo ram is better than rein at every single map

[forest grotto]

Denmark would clear

[rugged quest]

you have that opinion cuz owl has no good rien players beside hadi

[hasty crescent]

Who winning: Denmark or Sweden

[rugged quest]

not same group

its sweden vs norway today

[hasty crescent]

Oh nvm

Lmao

[chilly mauve]

There is a reason why ram has more success than rein

Ram out ranges rein

[hasty crescent]

But in terms of players who winning

[uncut drum]

i think as it is londons main comp they will make it work most of the times

[forest grotto]

denmark I'd say

[rugged quest]

are you even reading my messages?

[uncut drum]

but they will lose to alanta and outlaws

there is just better with skill

[rugged quest]

ram has more succes than rein cuz he is more versatile by a longshot.

[hasty crescent]

Rein can still shatter the team once 3 sec shield of ram is gone

If that’s the only argument with that

[rugged quest]

ive repeated like 5 times that im talking about specific pure brawl submaps

[uncut drum]

london will beat a mid ram team

they should win a decent amount of their matches

[chilly mauve]

Time will tell then

[karmic charm]

london easily has a good stage

[uncut drum]

but a good ram team vs a good rein team will be tought

tough

[karmic charm]

Londons speciality is the rein comp

they can force it vs anything

[uncut drum]

yeah

well they should

[rugged quest]

equal skilled ram vs rein series goes to ram based on more versatile mappool alone

but rein can outbrawl ram in some submaps

[hasty crescent]

Rein just too nasty up close

[forest grotto]

peninsula

[karmic charm]

the only teams I see London definitely losing too are reign outlaws

I think shock will still suck ass

[forest grotto]

Ngl but I hate that map

[karmic charm]

and I think spitfire rein brawl will beat glads

[rugged quest]

cloudy is streaming this series btw

[rustic roost]

lhwashedy

[placid fern]

did the match end

saudi arabia

[plush grail]

VESTOLA MY GOAT

[rustic roost]

fla?

[rugged quest]

turkey poland ended

finland ksa starting

[placid fern]

i wanna see ynasa 🙏

[rugged quest]

makes sense to have vestola against pharah abusers

[placid fern]

never seen him play

[forest grotto]

💀

[placid fern]

since ii dont watch T2

COTENDERS*

IM WATCHING 2 MUCH VALO ESPORTS

MB

[forest grotto]

cloudy's benched

[rustic roost]

poor sauna

[placid fern]

fuck

:(

[rustic roost]

cloudy is washed

[karmic charm]

who?

[rustic roost]

florida

[forest grotto]

Honestly if they played cloudy, he wouldve only played rein

[rustic roost]

their brawl is p good

[karmic charm]

they don't play eachother this stage

[rustic roost]

oh

i havent seen a single spitfire match so i have 0 clue how good they are

[placid fern]

who cares, we all know he'd do bad

but

he'd be fun asf

to watch

[rugged quest]

or they want to play an owl level dva against a team that has the best pharah player itw instead of a rein player...

common sense

[karmic charm]

spitfire play
reign
nyxl
sfs
lav
lag
veg
lav again
hou

[forest grotto]

SirMajed on zen?

[rustic roost]

hes just washed in general

[forest grotto]

I thought he would go moira lol

[placid fern]

who one 1st match

its not saying

[rugged quest]

still one of the best reins

[placid fern]

4 me

[forest grotto]

turkiye

[placid fern]

score?

[rustic roost]

maybe at his peak

[placid fern]

i dont follow contenders but spain seems underrated with a lot of ppl from the same team

but ton of good teams in they group

[rugged quest]

he would be one of the best reins in owl

but rein sucks dick

[chilly mauve]

2-0

[placid fern]

oh what

its b03?

ty

[chilly mauve]

Mhm

[placid fern]

this is bullying

south korea prob wins right?

just clears

or is there a team

that can compete

just in general

not just apac

[forest grotto]

Not really

[rustic roost]

get ready for another miracle on ice except miracle on lan

[placid fern]

japan seems like they could be a darkk horse imo

[rustic roost]

USA FOR THE WIN LETS GO

[chilly mauve]

I mean USA might do well

[placid fern]

idk

[rugged quest]

apac doesnt have a single good team beside south korea

[karmic charm]

usa won't come close to kr

[placid fern]

USA doesnt seem that good

[karmic charm]

kr win just bc of lip fielder chiyo

[rugged quest]

cuz china is autoqualified

[placid fern]

japans a underdog trust

🙏

[chilly mauve]

Korea is obv 1st

[placid fern]

yeah

[karmic charm]

krs weakness this year is their dps

[forest grotto]

who is tank in kr?

[rugged quest]

they will make it but would gets beaten by like 7 eu teams as an example

[chilly mauve]

But out of the other teams USA will do well

[forest grotto]

fearless?

[karmic charm]

I don't trust sp9rk1e

[rustic roost]

whos their dps

[karmic charm]

lip sp9rk1e

[chilly mauve]

lip sparkle

[karmic charm]

lip is obviously insane

[rustic roost]

how is that their weakness

yea

[chilly mauve]

Sparkle

[rustic roost]

lip is the best dps rn

[rugged quest]

usa will get 3rd

[karmic charm]

bc sparkle isn't incredible

[placid fern]

if im gonna be honest I think canadas better then US

[rustic roost]

sparkle is inconsistent

[chilly mauve]

He’s not inconsistent

[placid fern]

oh wait supers on US?

[chilly mauve]

His hero pool is just wack

[rustic roost]

but i mean who is rlly better than sparklein owwc (genuine question idk any of the rosters)

[karmic charm]

USA are going to struggle

[placid fern]

hope he gets playy time

[karmic charm]

they don't have a main support

[chilly mauve]

stalker

[placid fern]

coluge prob gonna be in all the time

:(

[chilly mauve]

Pelican

proper

[rustic roost]

who r they playing for

[rugged quest]

they got rupal in and ojee out so their backline is looking alright again

[chilly mauve]

is ojee still in?

[karmic charm]

it's a brawl meta and they don't have a lucio 💀

[rustic roost]

i thought stalker was korean

[karmic charm]

no

[rustic roost]

and proper

[chilly mauve]

yeah that’s what I heard too

[chilly mauve]

He is

[karmic charm]

on,what hero

[rugged quest]

they can spam brig ana and beat majority of teams

[chilly mauve]

oh

[karmic charm]

bc sparkle is probably gonna be on mei

[placid fern]

does india have nearly no talent?

[rustic roost]

who is stalker and proper playing for

[placid fern]

only 1 player from there

[karmic charm]

not in brawl lol

[placid fern]

on the iindia team

[chilly mauve]

They have pummy

The goat

[placid fern]

i dont mean skill wise

i mean like

nationality

only 1 is from india

i dont mean players on the team generally

[chilly mauve]

players can have multiple nationality’s

[placid fern]

what are the rules on it? it looks like teams are either all from the same or almost none

[forest grotto]

ta1yo aint playing for jp?

[rugged quest]

yep

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@chilly mauve who are usa's and Canada fdps if u know

[placid fern]

damn

[chilly mauve]

I can be brought up in the USA but my nationality is still India too

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also eqo is playing for Colombia

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isnt usa's dps aspire

[chilly mauve]

USA is sugar free

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is his mei good

[rustic roost]

oh its sugarfree

lenny time

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yzn on hanzo

[placid fern]

ynasa not on pharah smh

[rugged quest]

they can manage with toptier brig ana against contenders backlines

[forest grotto]

interesting

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i kknow its control center

and its very fair

to not have him but

damn 😭

[rustic roost]

isnt usa's dps aspire and hydron

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lucio is basically a necessity in brawl lol

[chilly mauve]

Canada is noxious

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they have 3 dps

who is that

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whos the third

[karmic charm]

xd

[rustic roost]

s9mm?

noxious is

some collegiate rando

[rugged quest]

run winston

[placid fern]

does UK have good tanks? idk much abt them

[karmic charm]

sugarfree

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the support line seems good

[rustic roost]

i thought he was canada

[karmic charm]

jkaru is good

[forest grotto]

Lol

Instant switch

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smex is old

[chilly mauve]

thre prob with Canada is noxious and seeker both seem to prioritize hitscans

[rustic roost]

SMEX SMEX

WHAT TIME IS IT

what team does noxious even play for

is he even t2

[rugged quest]

not as good as their other roles but theyre decent