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Jinxed.
FUCK
NY did not deserve that
Rigged.
it looked so winnable
nyxl can do this come on
AUGHHH
ill message bad pachimari again
Wtf is this game lmfao
He shattered heesang's wall lmfao
lep almost sold the match
Rigged and jinxed.
its coming down to the wire ohemgee
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PLEASE
i blame ice spice π€·ββοΈ
Oh god
SHOCK
I would be hyped for shock but theyβre struggling against New York
that was brutal
LEP LMFAOO
LEP FEEDONG
think further
hel no
before i say that
not in a million years
LUCIO SNIPE
i literally looked away for two seconds
game is crazy
guys
proper cmon
this was suppose to be a 3-0 for ny
AUGH
WHY DID HE BEAT
BOTH LUCIO BEEP
HAPPENING
LOL
THEYRE STALLING
NO WAY
SO MICH FREE PERCENTAGE
NO WAY!!
OMG
UES
I WONT QUESTION IT
YYESS
KELLEN BAITED
how do they already have 60 what the fuck
CAP CPA CAP
CAP CAP CAP
I LOVE YOU SHOCK
NAHHHHH
this looks like a qp match
VINDAIM MVP?
bro
They got beat out tho lmfao on a 3V5
This is genuinely so painful to watch
LMFAOOOO
Like
fits embracing the allegations
Cringing so bad
proper being proper in the end
PROPER IS WAKING UP
kellen would be a great fit for the Las Vegas Eternals!
HES DONE WITH THIS SHIT
dude
GGS
YES
FITS FEED
Jesus christ
how
I DID IT
YES
I DID IT
YESSS
SHOCKSSSS
EZ
MOM THEY WON
EZ
AINT NO WAY
YES
GG
i blame it on kellan
YESSSS
that ghost shatter
REVERSE SWEEP

LMAOOO
Kellen threw so hard
NAHHHH
Ok welp
I
REVERSE SWEPT OFF A C9
not a great win
Gg's
Stfu kellan did great
Fits on support
huge win for the moral
Yea regardless shock are ass lmfao
that was crazy wow
Nyxl throwing
Welp at least shock win
what are you a kellan meat rider
doubters π
that c9
REVERSE SWEEP π₯π₯π₯
they said i was coping.
unforgivable
You think that is his fault?
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAGHHDG
now look
But like if this was against another high ranked team, I
AAAAAAAAAAAA
I was have like to see fits on sombra
He shattered a wall AND THEN C9
Epic shatter on havana btw
yes
the ghost shatter too
i blame it on kellan
i love looking at one play
As I said their was some mistakes
and saying it costed them the entire match
There was too many mistakes
But Kellen keep making them one after another
He fed quite a bit on lijiang too
Crusty need to start whipping these players
shock almost sold my preds
no way custa says vindaim
potm?
Im gonna kill myself
vindaim pre robbed.
Dude you would take 7 years to build it up and then still miss
NO
Reverse sweep :(
YES
NOOO NOT PROPER
VINDAIM.
VINDAIM
VINDAIM
?
that doesnt matter
he plays owl
i dont
GIVE IT TO VINDAIM
WHAT
FUCK THAT
im at the capability to make that mistake
HEESANG
he's not
Seems like a skill issue
LOL WHATTT
heesang potm?
Players arenβt perfect either
wait I can see it
No vindaim?
cool ig
the blizzard on the point to stall
my pickems were right.
u cant give it to junbin/max since they swapped
vindaim had terrible beats previous maps
finn fed a lot first map
Went 3-0 on pickems
and proper wasnt as consistent
Man they need figure out the tank situation
yeah but hes constantly making these mistakes
that cost nyxl the matches
ueueueueueue
glad I didnβt change it
A win is a win I guess
But like
Lol
Shock bottom 5 team
good job.
How did we end up in this timeline
crazy game regardless
Don't forget Fits on support
why did they start experimenting
fits in no way should get to go on support EVER again
nyxl coaches gonna flame the shit out of Kellen
and hes going against very talented players too
aka the 2022 roty and mvp
why did they let fits go on dpsππππππ
kellan aint getting his check π―
once i saw them wake up on queen street i already knew π€·ββοΈ
no one should be the center of all the blame\
they shouldβve run shockwave fits
true, everyone has a bad game tbh
shockwave hanzo is downright oppressive
Bro why the fuck did fits wake up propper
and?
i dont think that matters
it does
divide kellens check by 4 and give it to the rest of his team
You could tell that seico was annoyed with that shit
even if he wasnt getting diffed
he made the ghost shatter + c9 mistake
that was a winnable match
and they just let it slip like that
there have been plenty of ghost shatters in this league
and the whole game isnt on him
god i wish they still did losers interviews
its a team game
yeah but nothing like his
Also he was getting caught out in so many situations where Kellen put himself into
i dont care about ghost shatters in this league
could have also been a communication issue
it was kellen's mistake
hotel
That does not look like a hotel
shock the world fr
No they are at their base
u could have said that about evry single player in th lobby
oh shit fits didnt get a 5k
embrace that kellen destroyed the match
the games on him
no?
the shock basement
Iβm just confused why max/junbin kept subbing in and out if they played the same hero pool
they have sheets covering the windows π
maybe I will get a shock jersey
true gamers
Bro that seems depressing af
i doubt we'll see kellen next match
u gotta realize this is a team game and there are so many factors (communication, pressure, team work, etc...)
u cant just say
You are saying kellan fucked up the match but you are not going to say that Max and junbin didn fuck up map one and two
you should save this for when danteh sucks
and mentality
true gamers
yeah because i wasnt rooting for them π
wrd
if x didnt happen, the game would have been over
if your mental is fucked then your team is fucked
A bronze tank
shock won so much in the past they dont even care π
that ghost shatter and c9 is downright demoralizing
kellan is better than every single tank out there on the market
Shock are still bad. They beat nyxl but that's not saying too much
good luck trying to find a replacement
Overall kellen just made the worst mistakes out of the nyxl
will kellan be fed tonight?!
no
there were some pretty bad mistakes
the goon will not give him food today
to the viewers eyes maybe
He gonna sleep on the couch
Why don't you shut up and thinking that you know anything about how you play in a high pressure match against a team that is very good with player that are top of each role
but that isnt necessarily the case
yeah of course it isnt
the kiriko nano from fits, the nano onto lep
i dont have an inside view
Perhaps
who are you fighting man
just embrace it
kellan did some really stupid mistakes
i dont care if i would have made them
i dont play in owl
so did every one in the lobby
but he does
there was some questionable ult usage from nyxl
At the very least kellen made some of the most noticable mistakes
yeah but his were the most noticeable ones
is hadi no longer chadi?
if u have a tank that dives in (aka danteh) but no one follows up
would that be dantehs mistake
?
ive seen it happen
aint no one following up on that wall shatter
Partially yes
Then stop blaming the dude others made the mistakes fits woke up proper when tracer was going to one shot him fits nanoed a frozen Kiriko both supports were playing out of position on push
For not communicating it well enough
i literally highlighted fits mistakes
a lot
when they happened
shockwave ashe wasnβt working out i think
how would u know tho
are you like making up hypothetical scenarios in your head
if ur observing the tank
ashe on push is just an odd pick
am i your wet dream
almost no value out of bob, he wasnβt getting early picks
ur just wrong
I honestly think they should have kept the hanzo
they literally show the 3d view
im sure i'd have seen it
and if not
it doesnt invalidate that
ah yes u can explain this 3d view of the whole game to a blind person right
every single thing
right>
?
kellen made some very stupid avoidable mistakes
so did lep
no
and then lep getting sniped very very early
so did creative
shock made a shit ton of mistakes too
every single person makes mistakes
only the ones broadcasted are the ones gonna be flamed for
kellen made the most noticeable
game losing ones
at least to what i can see
im not out here explaining the game to a blind person
im sorry if you have to
but these hypothetical scenarios do not apply to every viewer
U DONT EVEN KNOW 90% OF THE OTHER MISTAKES IN THE GAME
what are you mad for
Bruh chill
u only probably see 1% of the mistakes in the youtube viewer broadcast
itβs kellens alt account
dont fuckin single a person out mane
well thats great
im discussing with other people
that saw 1% of the mistakes
and they can agree with me
kellen threw the game
more than once
go get a life
ight u do u
o2 blast :OOOOO
u can spend the rest of ur life complaining about kellan
dude chill
nobody in that match played good
Why is kellen being defended so hard lmfao
stop arguing yall its over
yeah
Never seen this level of dickriding for any other player
did you read the new manga chaps??
gege really rushing the new chaps he really wants to finish jjk by this yearπ
i havent
itβs
dont really keep up with mangas
something
i read them every once and a while
Yea i was aboard the manga until like the last 2 chapters
Idk why they timeskipped
gege wants to finish jjk so he can start his idol mangaπ
lol
leejaegon is based
what the fuck is this interview with leejaegon??????
Clearing up the crying alligations
he thinks he would pull wrecking ball?????
what
Goats was peak owl
heβs so wrong for that
NO MORE GOATS
i was on an OW hiatus when GOATS was popular
I love boston uprising right now
What did he mean by this
exactly what I fucking said
he said he would have a domestic relationship with wrecking ball
we do not talk about leejaegon
hes trying to divert us off the horrible event that just happened
just wait and see
I think both shock and nyxl will surprise us in upcoming matchesπππ
theyre gonna pull vegas out of cutoff
we donβt get the patch until msm
by the time the patch is in, i bet JQ will be nerfed by then
if no one complains i doubt blizzard will do anything
her healing is super overtuned
it needs to be 1.5 heal and her ult should be 15% more
she has ult like every other minute
yeah
and if you put that up with nano
you could rampage faster than kiri can suzu
its crazy
superβs 15 second jq ultπππ
i thought it was crazy until a similar thing happened in literal quick play
if your stuck in a small room with a JQ just kiss your ass good bye
knowing blizzard, they will nerf the 2 second cd reduction to 1 second or some stupid change like that
and her regen just keeps her up
for like
a whole minute
without supports
her survivability went up by too much
if they dont nerf her before the patch comes to owl im gonna cry
shock having to reverse sweep ny is kinda sad
its not kinda sad
its very sad
speaks to the structure of the team
nah
shock dont need a roster change
its just time
they just look not coordinated
they do
their team sucks
individually
unlike mine
a team of individuals
beat you
π
no teamplay required
no voice comms
2 of our players were playing genshin star rail during matches
buildup year
he building with a 32 year old fits fr
this is just a character development arc
just mind games make everyone else in the league think nyxl sucks then catch them off guard
πͺ
Hope in nyxl
In nyxl we trust
Praying for the return of jjonak
Fits character development arc is not over π₯
they thought they could get away with fits on support
i have the script
trust me
nyxl throw half of the season then jjonak returns and they dont lose a game
like 62
88
How long does it take for owl tokens to be on ur account?
like 2 days give or take
Explains why I have 297 owl tokens
Damn I have 98
Are there going to be more matches for spring stage
Yeah
They gotta put week 4 and 5 on the pick ems
I hate my standings on the justice
I put them 2-3 vs shock and same for outlaws
Outlaws ended up 3-1ing them and they ended up 3-0ing the shock
lowkey think signing o2 basically as a whole team with their own set style of play that has worked for years and putting them in the hands of crusty who is a headstrong coach and has his own style of play might be conflicting this shock team ngl
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Thoughts about this?
why are people questioning the entire roster and coaching staff after 4 matches
Panthera v o2blast next week and Rhodes vs dynasty
Rhodes is gonna beat the shit out of the dynasty
Crazy how defiant has one of the worst records in the league rn
Then Shanghai vs sin prisa
And then dreamers vs poker face
Next week apac is gonna be so fire
Shock so inconsistent rn
I think itβs because compared to last year shock they look weaker but I also think na got a lot of stronger players now and teams
How is Florida number 2 in the west
They got rolled by lastro and kev and almost rolled by seeker deadlift
They shouldn't be beating Houston
they do look like shit rn but it's too soon to ring the alarm bells
if we're past midseason madness and shock is doing the same shit that's when you hit the panic button
People need to realize
Thatβs itβs only been 3 weeks into the season
2022 - Dallas lost to outlaws pretty badly (3-0) and didnβt start out strong
Shock, Dallas, and Toronto are dog this meta, meta will change and the teams will shift
2021 - Outlaws seemed very dominate out the gates
like stuff in early season doesnβt show much
glads legit just fell over half way thru
last season
not their fault
same with Dallas 2 seasons prior
Junkergoats+ people leaving
A good part of owl performance imo is also just winning the meta dice roll
if you practiced the right meta you win most of the time
past team synergy overrated imo
Teams that are actively trying to prepare for future comps are more likely to succeeds that those running the same comps
Over and over again
I garunteed u shock will not fall over like everybody is saying they are
And it starts now from that reverse sweep
What are yalls predictions for next week apac matches
Confirmed ones are dreamers vs poker face, Panthers vs o2, Shanghai vs sin prisa, and dynasty vs rhodes
I donβt watch much contenders
I need to see their rosters
Poker face, o2, Shanghai, Rhodes (upset)
Idk poker face dreamers seems like a hard match to decide
Tbf the meta fell into Dallas favor
Yup I agree but like I said I also think na is just overall stronger region now
Bro I canβt wait till the day blizzard nerfs the shit out of sombra
Life is good when she isnβt
Shock dropped a map to NYXL with fits on support?
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What the hell
have the crystal ball points been applied yet?
Contenders roster with ans as the coach and architect Kilo F4ze on roster so far, hmm

SLT looking kinda hot lowkey
Shame they'll probably be dumpstered since it's kr contenders tho 
safest bet for best hitscan is lip
pine still good?
pine has not played professionally in like 4 years
Do we think any of the Contenders v OWL matches could be an upset? SPG v Dragons maybe?
if there's an owl team that will lose, it will be dragons
O2 might be do some crazy stuff too
Rhodes v Dynasty is an interesting one
like dare I say Rhodes DPS might be better?
Pineapple/Apr1ta v Profit/Prophet?
Rhodes apart from the tank are all ex-OWL
lol
where do yall rank shock rn
they lost 3-0 to justicwe
pushed to the max by nyxl
low mid tier team?
Would you say better or worse than Spitfire
prolly worse
right now
Spitfire lost nearly lost a map to Eternal with Avalla in
top of the bottom
like they're not a good team
that may change after the valiant match
they're a tier below titans/washington/boston

Even though Mayhem are 5-1, I presume you still have Outlaws 2nd
I was hoping they'd play this weekend, that would be a good match
but they play the following week
honestly
he was never good
even in s1
he was just flashy
Are there going to be more matchβs for spring stage?
I can still get owl tokens right?
yes
2 more weeks of matches in NA (so every team plays 8 qualifying matches), Spring Stage Knockouts for APAC start this week - the winners of the 2 separate brackets qualify for MM
Happy, lip, ans
And in MM I get tokens or no?
Sorry for asking to much first time watching spring stage
you get tokens for watching any OWL broadcast, provided it says "Connected" underneath your stream
Except pre season βpro-amβ
true, but since that's been and gone I didn't mention it
π€
shock are gonna lose to valiant 
better
shock isnt bottom 3
they are bottom 5 tho
ur right
shock > toronto > ny > valiant > london > vegas
cant rlly put shock below teams they have beat
though it was map 5
shock play valiant next week though thats valiants chance to move up if they win
i root for whoever shock is playing against
Yes you can
Just cuz you beat a team doesnβt make you better than them
i mean i can but why
at best ny take shocks spot
and shock take torontos
toronto are playing = as bad
shock got 3-0'd by justice
proper is like a oasis in the worlds hottest desert
and then he plays sombra against any somewhat decent team
unfortunate
i saw the PR at the start of szn
they were kinda high
guess they fell off
perfect description
Let them cook
So far every time we let NY try and cook with fits on support they serve nothing but ashes
y'all I have a question. What do y'all think from D0nghak
I have genuinely been impressed but according to a youtuber (I am in that discord) he apparently doesn't get enough highlights
From what I've seen he's very underrated ngl
imagine being happy for a CAH team that's gone 1-12
I mean being on such a stacked roster will inflate donghak a lot
But he isnβt holding back his team in any way
which is a good thing cuz not many tanks can do that
i mean he just seems solid
hes not gonna be like a star maybe but hes not pulling them down in any way
he just does his jon
job
if nyxl puts fits on support again Iβm gonna cry
someone needs to get them off the kitchen
the fact this is true rn is so sad
the drop spitfire has had is insane
I mean itβs not really insane
Basically one trick team canβt play their one trick
Remember London was like winless in 2021
Pulled off a miracle (able to play their one trick comp) for 2022
Now they go back
That too
but they could always just beat struggling teams with rein rush
who would you say is currently the best aimer in owl? and would you say they are also the best ow aimer in general or is there someone none owl who is better?
Hard to tell
People like lip have good aim
Mn3 as well
malthel
Theyβre all elite at the high level so thereβs very little difference
ππ Avalla clears
like the only one i can think of rn is lip but i havent seen lip play flick heroes yet but his sombra tracking def unchallenged in the game
its more easy to say who are better on x hero than who have better aim
i remember that silly event where S1/S2 NYXL tank line was clearing almost everyone
on DPS
if you mean like hard hitscan, there is mer1t, Fits, Hydron, Kai
or old like ANS, Pine and such
Depends on what type of aiming
Kevster imo has the best tracking in the game
Happy got some dirty flick shots
Lip is amazing at both
yeah its def very hard but i also think there were times when it was pretty easy to answer i think when saya was still playing 9/10 people would instantly have told you that saya is best
im pretty sure only the fans try to rank all players
i remember surefour
saying that any player could beat any player
almost all owl players are on the same level
π
Saya was best, so was Ans, so was Pine and so on
the game evolves, new players appears
yeah thats why i am asking cause everybody that i used to look at when i just wanted to see some raw aim has more or less retired see effect, saya and so on
Pine soloing vegas alone
Thatβs crazy
and the thing is some retired players either stopped playing or dont care enough anymore
Like Mano, Gesture were godly winstons
then you see Guxue, Fearless, Smurf
ryujehong, then Twilight, Finn
and so
SBB, then Proper, Kevster, Yaki
thats why is more easy "who was better in X season" too
yeah thats why i asked who currently is good since i wanted some players that i could currently watch if i just wanna see some crazy aim
malthel
I think shock's drop is more shocking
of course it's a totally different roster but supposedly they upgraded which is crazy
not really
they went from striker to heesang
and viol2t to vindaim
and i'd say tanks stayed even
for sure but idc about shock
I do
I pray on their downfall
it gives me life
based
based
i love seeing proper lose
and isnt the problem on fuel the difference between the dps/tank and support line
I'm sure if proper was on dallas
do we know why emongg is not with shock anymore? did he leave or did they let him go when going full korea mode?
he'd give proper resources
contract was up
emongg probably didnt live up to the expectation shock had
so they did not extend
cause there was a point in time where this was the case where rush did put in resources for his dps
Ig he did that a lot in playoffs last year for edison
yikes
thats a BAD idea
mcd bliss is struggling
forcing them to keep proper up
would end them
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
i doubt it honestly
we just know that there's gonna be one this year
oh I was talking about last year
it depends on how much traction it gets
if itβs a huge success theyβll probably keep it going
like fearless hanbin proper sparkle (or edison) fielder chiyo
as long as they advertise it like they did before and put up world cup menus and links on the bottonm right thing inside the game for it to watch it it'll prob do well
they just need to appeal to casuals
and give the quarter/half/finals crazy viewership rewards
Covid
pretty simple answer
Couldnβt afford to keep it up
??
U wanna join World Cup or smthing
teams have already been decided bud
wdym participate
how
did ow even decide the countries that got in
a team like this has to win for their spot
but these get invited??
cause italy clears denmark
denmark is lucky to even get a shot at competing in the wildcard π₯±
some got invited
some have to play in a tournament for a spot
probably to save resources and filter garbage teams
but why the FUCK
is poland in
but not denmrk
you better hope your team lands in group A
what
group b has saudi arabia and sweden
and there's only two spots to exit out of group b
group a has 3 spots to go the main event
ill be fine
you realistically just have to beat out netherlands
my team always performs well
?????????
did you get dropped on your head
netherlands
is my team
I thought you were rooting for denmark
how they didnt get invite
dont start
?
this is a boon
When next streams ? 
;)
they prob get swept by houston
prob win vs valiant
lose to florida
Idk about boston
we'll just have to see how well the two teams are doing before that game I think
shock vs boston is battle of the boomest
but I think boston has it in the bag
they swept justice and then justice rolled shock
Retirement home teams should stop
Stacking a roster with historic greats when the skill gap has gotten so much smaller is just a waste of money and time and usually ends in mid-season retirements

Bostons dps line for example 
they win that
if it was like tomorrow then they lose for sure
but two weeks prep time
Shock sweep
I didn't realize it was two weeks from now
They won a single round
2 weeks of prep time?
They have to prep for other matches
im still on copium with shock
when vindaim died first with beat I made a very loud squeak noise
Is week4 avaible for you to pick?
O2 unfortunately
Fate is almost singlehandedly tanking that team
and SeungAn can't sub in for him since he is under 17
@hot onyx
fuck you i looked through dms for like two minutes for context
would you like to give the context to the rest of the class
it's not
am i the only person who actually didn't rate shock that highly before the pro-am/season
are this weeks pickems not on spring stage?
not many people rated them low since on paper they have a top 2 roster
on paper people think they're top 2, but in reality they're not experienced and i don't trust crusty coaching
no reason to not trust crusty/ninek coaching
having zero knowledge on crustys impact in the league other than his rank is a reason
the thing is, there have been cracks in shock since late 2020
but people don't actually realize it
a lot of the problems literally stemmed from late 2020
if you check their match history a lot of their wins in the 2021 playoffs run were 3-2 wins i think?
In the end a win is a win
that's what they all say
"the 3-2 win over nyxl this past weekend is a win"
"the 3-2 win over 2021 london was a win"
no doubt they're having issues rn
ye unfortunate they can't get the o2 roster to work
i would, but i can't think of any meta where they'd be good at aside from double sniper and double dive flex dps
perhaps maybe soujourn tracer
paper wise they should be fine in any meta
just a case of them needing to find their groove rn and not swap all over
i wouldn't say they're fine in any meta; they'll lose in rush metas
100%
shock rosters have not looked good on rush metas since the start of 2020
I mean 2020 they were the best rush team, 2021 they were one of the best still
fusion was the best 2020 rush team
they weren't
fusion came 2nd to shock in 99% of things to shock that year
forced shock to switch to ashe poke in playoffs run
shock beat fusion in orisa mirror, but that's not really rush
those poke comps were the meta
true
fusion were too slow to adapt off of reaper sombra
