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Guys
Doesn’t matter to owl ppl at least
it could be 50k to owl org
They paid 60 millons for a spot
Fresh reminder
20m for spot
i just speculate 30k since its above half
This game
by a little
That was for s1
idk this game sucks
Is owned by blizzard
LMAO
!!!!!!
Multi million dollar company btw
Owl also isn’t that big
there aint no way
Then increased to 60m
Viewership was like 5k for the majority of the event
I wonder how things will change when Microsoft owns it
@willow drum imagine being third and trying to divide that on the whole team and org 
Microsoft put lots of effort into HCS
Sucks for contenders players that owl might not exist by the time they are old enough to play in it lmao
So maybe we will get the same for OWL
MS can kill that if they don't see it profitable
whats your favourite team logo
imagine the people who were shitting on trick room previously coming back and realizing they took a game from the best OWL team for like 2 years
Since they paying 60b
Gladiators
They’re all pretty meh
True
Philly Infernal before being philly Infernal
Esports aren’t really profitable as is
Things like Valo and CS prove it can be in some sense
League of Legends esports says otherwise
But valo and CS are so much easier to watch
They are but it's not very understood in USA
Val might be in trouble soon
I do like Fuel's logo
OW is just difficult to understand
They paying their players too much
LoL esports has been the most profitable esport in like almost a decade at this point lol
As NA think theirs kids are wasting time playing video games
Ow is too fast paced for casuals
Things like smash has been going for years aswell
until the great Nintendo shake-up of 2018
OW is more complicated but i dont find it much fun to watch a guy slow walk for 5 minutes and then instantly die
Well, 2018-Current
the problem with Smash is that Nintendo updates consistently for like 2-3 years then just stops
I more meant profitable for the hosts, not nintendo, because they are stupid
then the esports scene slowly dies because of it
Melee been going for 20 yeats
I don't think we need another Smash game considering how big Ultimate is, so I want them to purely focus Ultimate
Yeah
what’s the chinese song playing as outro rn
but them stopping just last year is entirely unacceptable since we still have some VERY problematic character
I like owl and ow matches as i find the other games boring
characters*
Better Call Saul theme
:(
Ultimate is such a good e-sport, easily understandable, exciting ti watch, just easy to enjoy, Nintendo has money on there hands but refuses to grasp it
They're stuck in 2014 unfortunately
yeah smash bros is fun as an esport
It's very difficult to go pro in though
I was VERY into Smash 2018-2020, so I tried to find coaching and stuff and even with coaching I was having trouble
now I'm in this mindset with league of legends, I want to go pro but the circumstances I'm in right now do not make that possible ontop of me being only Silver in that game
I've been playing smash for most of my life, and I'm still no where near this skill level
Steve can’t hurt you here
Same
Steve... the only character to officially be banned in Smash esports history
Bayo?
Val and CS bores me
You guys remember when those 2 bayo mains got to the finals and didn't fight
League it's eeeeh
Thay was so fucking sick
Pikachu was never nerfed
Best smash moment icl
eSports wise i meant
That was hilarious the reason why was funny
Alive by Amber G
Yeah
Pikachu was always atleast a HIgh B low A tier character in Smash 4
THANK U
And the fact the community pissed and cried about it, made it even better
I meant in ultimate
Yeah it was funny
Pichu was contender for top 3 strongest character in the early days
Remember when pichu was top tier, like best character in the game for a bit
Mad af
tho it seems to be slightly shifted in pitch (or audio quality?) on the stream
I think bayo was the most hated op smash character
remix ver
Nah that was Meta Knight
Meta Knight in brawl... flashbacks are happening
Ptsd bro
I'm surprised he was never considered a ban worthy pick but Steve is
Tbf that was in 2008 where internet was t as much as 2014
Fox McCloud
bru even back then everyone considered meta knight op
Meta is the only character to have it’s own separate tier rating
Meta knight ruined brawls competitive scene, aswell as brawl in general really not made for competition
Steve only got banned cause he could be invincible no?
Yeah I played him without knowing he was broken lol
S tier was Ice Climbers, SS tier was Meta Knight
infinite combos and safety
It’s more of a slow game not rlly comp able
Yeah
I'd say it's better than smash 4 imo
Like there was always discussion about him being broken but that one “tech” got him banned
The story made cant be beat
me failing the Ice Climbers combo and watching my twin plummet to their death
Yeah, WoL was good, just no where near as good
The chain grabs were trauma
Wobbling my goat
Subspace is too good
Fr bro
Meta Knight was op due to the flight mechanic and him being able to stall infinitely, Steve is OP because of his ability to create infinite combos, infinite ledge traps ontop of having the safest ground and air options
We need a new on in 20 years when they make a new smash
World of light is fine but Subspace is like a movie
World of Light was too much 'RPG-y' for me
World of light had better bosses
Probably in 8-10 probably
That's jts only w over subspace
Yeah
Yeah true
Yeah
Agree to disagree then
I wonder what characters will get cut
The final boss was meh in comparison to Tabuu
I hope we never get a new smash bros in all honesty, Ultimate was THE magnum opus in smash and Miyamoto implied he wasn't looking to make another smash game
Too much of a money maker
Never going to happem
Given we got a Disney character it’s safe to say literally anyone is willing to be in the game
I just remember the tech getting discovered one day people saying it wasn’t consistent or plausible in an actual match then the next day they did it in a match and Steve was banned everywhere
My best guess will be a release for the new console
Ultimate and Mario Kart 8 Deluxe were the reason the switch sold as well as it did, ontop of Breath of the Wild
Yeah
Ac is definitely a system seller too
Nah I doubt soras coming back, but if they do they better give me the 13th struggle
Best music and it wasn't in the vame
Especially with how it launched
Animal Crossing didn't come out until 2020 and it barely put a dent compared to other best selling switch games
Probably not Sora but the fact they got Disney to do it is insane
Only Sakarai could make Disney
Disney was never the issue tbh, tetsuya nomura was
Disney kind of just let's KH do whatever
Yeah and goofy and Donald
Only reason it's even selling so high is/was due to covid
Goofy and Donald didn't get smashed rep
Yeah
The only Disney rep was the keyblades Mickley key chain
Yeah
does anyone have the clip of Boat pulse bombing Proper
Other games also had Covid and the game launched bare bare bones
I personally bought it a year later and never got the hype around it, so I just traded it in like, 3 months later
It’s a system seller game just by its nicher target audience
I dropped a month after playing it
AC needed more content packs, and that's the only opinion I have about thag game
Just kinda came out and I forgot
It even existed
As scott the woz puts it best, It was also plagued by the 'free update' model
Tbf half of my playing was smash
The game should’ve launched at 2.0 update but that’s beside the point
Yeah this is a big issue with a lot of current releaes
Can work well
From what I've heard strikers did well with jt
or was it not shown
But many other games kinda got fucked by it
games like Smash Ultimate it worked well, but you had that and whatever the hell mario golf super rush was
Smash wasn't free content tho
outside of the pass the content was free
Like what?
even if you don’t have the pass you can play against those characters tho
The mii skins weren't free
Smash ultimate, i just wish they didn't got so many fire emblem characters
I don't see much of an issue with fire emblem
I find them boring
Byleth was a good addition
Because they had a very unique movemet
The thing I wanna see less of in smash
Is down special = counter
So boring
People hated her because fire emblem@
Counter makes sense but sometimes it’s nice to have non counter down B
Yeah
Just having all of them but like robin
Having counter
Was just so boring
Some counters work well
Like joker
That's cool
But
Most of them are boring
smash is pay 100 bucks for everything and buy mii costumes if you want
overwatch 2 is free but you wouldn't buy anything
issue with THIS game is
it's missing the thing which makes it
overwatch 2
A good progression system?
Like the PvE?
yes
that's literally the only thing which makes it Overwatch 2 if we get down to it
maybe push if you want to be technical but
Overwatch lore is sick and the old PvE events were super fun
I get what you mean
Push was an update, PvE is a sequel
Pve could definitely work
it’ll be cool to see what they’ve been working on and how it’s fleshed out
overwatch league is a professional league with the highest tier gameplay
Mayhem rly be cocky now
Tbh blizzard deciding to remove perks for watching league matches and instead only offering tokens through purchases or "sweepstakes" has destroyed any motivation I might have had to engage with OWL content. This might just be the case for Pro-AM (they also seem to be advertising it less) but it's probably a conscious money making decision and I doubt engagement rewards will be returning.
I'd bet money they still do normal watch time rewards when owl actually starts
like you said it's pro-am so they don't care as much
hence teams not all in NA, scuffed set ups for talent, and a different talent pool
guys i got banned it saying that im cheating
L
U only watch for tokens
Be quiet
insane
how we get contenders owl crossplay
but people still wanna cry about tokens
gigachad viewers for entertainment vs soy token farmers
dawg
if engagement rewards didn't return they wouldn't be league tokens
cause they wouldn't even be
obtainable without purchase
and it's obvious to anyone how many people watch for drops
Does the east play too??
Yes
I’m just here to watch lip yaki
Reign looked good tbh
Only thing I’m worried about is teams with really good monkeys
Donghak is obviously a decent monkey but idk how he’s gonna compare to fearless or someone rn
And all the other great monkeys in the league
This sounds so rascist ngl
cope
No matter what
The dps and support line is better
cause it’s REIGN SZN
Yeah
It's TRICKY ROOM SZN
he still needs to proof himself but I like his winston quite a lot from what I have seen
Will it be as good as Fearless winston? Probably not but he is gonna be more then good enough to hang with the top I think
also remember D0nghak is insanely good at ball and that is gonna be very good to have this season
considering ball on some maps is very strong
also its important to note
having chiyo fielder vigilante stalker lip all in their primes will make any player look good
donghak in contenders was not impressive outside of his ball mechanics
so not sure if donghak is either a system player
or just getting slightly carried
Is mikeyy good?
kinda
he's not a standout player
but for sure not a bad player
He’s a ball specialist
well you can't deny D0nghak doesn't look good based off the scrims and the match
nobody can deny that lol
donghak looks great as fuck
tbf his last team was team 815 and that team is so bad you as a tank can't do anything. But I do agree his contenders career is weird
im not trying to put an asterix on his play
just saying his contenders career was
not the greatest for someone who is preforming p well rn
which leads me to 2 conclusions
and those are?
the ones he just said?
oh yeah I just read lmao
Well on contenders career he does. But doesn't mean D0nghak doesn't look impressive on Reign with his ball and Winston
rein 😭
we pull a Dallas
Just don't play Rein pepelaugh
we go against the meta
wait a second actually. We have never seen D0ng rein?
Probably is not gonna be good but we don't know if it is bad or good do we?
ah fair
tbf steamrolling them with ram was also fun to watch ngl
after all the pain Hadi put me through last season I am happy he was getting rolled against the ram hahaha
btw do we know who Dallas or Seoul 6th is
tell that to Belos "rush forcer" rea
prob staff members
which Seoul
that's not Gunhee Cho
Belosrea decided to play sigma and dva for the next two maps
map 5 was just O2 talent
Knife gap
@hot onyx
i have learned to tune out takes from Fusion fans
he wont get picked up
why so?
he will get picked up
he can already get picked up
just like how clestyn will get picked up?
objectively the best hitscan in kr
he was of age for this owl season
not my fault he chose mcdonalds over a dead game
hes not going to get picked up
Yeah I was quite suprised A1ien didn't get picked up this season
I don't think it's a dead game but def a dead league
and also next year
Probe
they need to delete owl cause so many teams are just not trying
Prophet got picked up tho
which is a surprise
al1en was objectively a better player
and Hidden
bro what? In OWL they try this Pro am tournament doesn't really mean anything
lol every team
except for like 6
is going budget
I mean yes the players are trying but
tbf I think Prophet widow is very good but I am really not that impressed with his sojourn
Void is like 25
they aren't picking up the best players
yeah but void is an actual talent
and was a mvp winner
who tf is al1en
the guy that singlehandedly made T1 semi relevant in their last two tournaments
well true but that doesn't mean they don't want to win
explain paintbrush
so a third place
out of 4 teams
valiant moment
3rd is irrelevant btw
wouldn't even be top 5 without him imo
multiple takes of yours says otherwise
no he isn't
dont tell him
not according to talent killer PaJion
or decay
he went on record
did he say houston is favorites to win it all
to explain
or is it even worse
it is
based
i think it is
and that MN3 has only been hyped up after 3 good games and Profit is the best player of all time
like if zest is having a good g ame its better
sans you think titans is good
hes not wrong
or if mn3 is having a good game than its better
mn3 only did have 3 great games
SMURF?
mn3 is one of the most inconsistent players ever
and profit is the goat
but on normal day seoul has better dps line
very hard to consistently have good games when your backline is one of the worst in the league combined with a mid tank line and a coaching staff that insists on subbing in a valorant player for half the season
NOOOOO
Is first game 1pm pst today
your mom
oh my god
Hydrogen Bomb vs Coughing Baby
vancouver
will get rolled
WAIT NO
VEGAS IS IN TROUBLE
LMAOOOOO
I CANT WATCH THAT GAME
@cloud latch whats closer
Malthel echo
YES WE CAN
no i can't
IT'S AN INCREDIBLE GAME
do they
5 ults
bowol gets 1 lucky hanzo headshot
that is true...
ykw
I'll 1v1 bowol one day
and see
prob not today but def one day
@full lichen is this true?
he thinks FiXa was decent so he has not watched FiXa yet
i am too easy at this stage
?
?
?
?
?
bro Custa isn't even that wrong to say MN3 got hyped up after 3 good games
MN3 is just very inconsistent
Zest has more potential but Profit is more experienced
So it isn't really that weird
no he wasn't
that argument is stupid, he had one on and off stage where he swapped playtime with Carpe since he isn't good at the tutorial hero
came in for the midseason madness essentially full time and popped tf off
mn3 is consistent
people have got to stop acting like their tanks were only above mid when korean ameng got to be ballin' and that their backline wasn't bottom 3
Ly bad
says the guy whose team hasn't had a good hard hitscan since 2018
Flora
Flora wasn't above average when he played on NYXL
the org dragged him down to their level
So does anybody know what’s happening with the Chinese teams?
SHD is my favorite team 
LMFAO
still have a roster
apac as a whole is uncertain
With how much cooking that’s been going on I think he can say anything he wants now
its vegas
they deserve it
LMOA
True
For Flex DPS, I watch Proper and s9mm, for hitscan, I watch Lip, Hydron, And Jay3, for tank I watch Emongg, Flats, Bellaboo, and Coluge, for MS I watch FDGod and Chorong, and for flex support I watch UV, Majed, and ML7
jay3
Flats
reign vs Vegas is so sad
reign vs saints is gonna be hella interesting after saints vs valiant yesterday
Charge and Hunters technically don't have rosters and they still look more promising than Dragons lmao
it will be a roll
since its REIGN SZN
Shhh
Everyone was hyping saints up after the glads scrim I don’t think people expected what we got yesterday
I think reign will probably take it but saints is definitely gonna hit harder than people are expecting right now
Do we get owl tokens when we watch yt livestream?
no
people over exaggerated how good glads were
since they also started scrimming recently I think and have some players still on ping
scrims don't matter
it doesn't matter how well they play in scrims since none of that can be contributed to how well they play in their respective group
Vegas
Will dominate Atlanta
Atlanta will be boomed by how good they were yesterday
and become bottom 1 team
That's the dream
Meaning Vegas will win
did they retire the free OWL tokens for watching livestreams?
its REIGN SZN
No drops for pro am looks like
PAIN ONCE AGAIN
imagine supporting a bad team
just for pro am
Wtf
Vegas got the plat lobby comps
Legit
Poor guy
its painful to watch this happen
anyone would get boomed tbh
the entire YT chat flaming you
you are dying to random ass zen volleys
me when I have to play hollywood second (I am walking into hitscan controlled high ground)
eternaL
VEGAS
WOW
Samito devastated to find out his homosexual relationship with Genji is not canon to the Overwatch Lore
322
no way vegas lost to this mf
They look really good
out of Lemon and Legday, who is the better caster in terms of game knowledge?
I think london got this
first time i started liking backbone was very similar to this
this map, all same comp except from mGee
he was hitting insane shots on mei
imortality field is such a cool ability!
Rough
i love when you counter your bad positioning by literally not dying
yeah they both played well
and i can actually tell what the good plays are
is Shax with london still?
Doubt it
no
CAR
oh nvm i got their roster
Thats the first car death this season
Rough man. Oh well
lucio got his legs swept
Want to clear up some confusion on minimum latency rules. Shock is probably playing on around 150-200 ping from Korea, so for matches OWL tries to make gameplay fairer by imposing an artificial latency of 90 ping on the other team. 90 is the highest possible min lat adjustment
266
lole
ping diff
"plays like a MT but with OT mechanics"
what does this mean? saw someone say it about junkerqueen
oh nvm main tank and off tank
London should try taking out the one guy in Valiant who can actually kill things
seeker carry
i just came back from work, did atl win vegas ?
Yes
yeah they sweeped them
pog
he's selling rn ngl
Genji has a hidden tech where you can press H in the spawn area to change character
they are just abusing them now
Actually dismantled
got absolutely folded

Honest hero
I want him to never have a rework

That bullying (spawn delay) on cjay is what I love to see.
No holds barred man
bro just wanted it to end
At that point I’m tryna kill someone lmao I’m taking someone with me
You gon kill me if I’m killing someone 😂
He solo ulted him and it worked..
dude forgot he can jump higher
cjay retiring after that
got trapped
This part lol
time for contenders to get mauled
If the saints beat reign I will get the final match score tatted on my forehead
i'll sell my balls
thats probably the fastest way to end it.
If you get trapped you shoot the weakest person and you get mauled in milliseconds by the enemy
you probably wont get a pick tho
Right they just tryna make sure they don’t die
Not shooting and running is the best way to get staggered
theres an ow1 pro clip of someone as baby DVA getting bullied
this happened alot
especially on 2cp
Yeah
baby dva got staggered all the time
Dva staggers happen all the time
Baby dva only existed to get staggered in ow1
it's kinda mad how slow Hadi speaks
lemonkiwis analysis was
not good
why just completely shit on london after they win
that's what I'm thinking
like yeah , they made mistakes
but to not even point out valiants mistakes when they literally lost?
or to not talk good about spitfire at all
is
scummy
she so annoying
she's sorta an E-girl
?
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Most owl talent have been fairly critical of owl teams in the play ams so far and considering its a professionals vs amateurs that's pretty fair.
Pros should have the expectation not to just win but to win well
cring video name but this is where i saw ned flanders get staggered
this has been a consistent theme with london for years
casters and analysis has constantly
shit on them
Danny now with the all red
basically the same thing
its literally in the Commonwealth
Ya and outside of s1 like stage 1? What has London done?
Last season was like their 2nd best season in owl.
You don't praise professionals for being mediocre (obvs relative to other pros)
Most NA teams also only get dunked on by analyists
i wonder how they pick the analysists
she's just a caster
last season was their 2nd best season in owl, and also the season they got shit on the most by the owl desk
roll the dice
blind draft
spin the wheel
so she's dual roleing as an analyst
and regardless, that match was pros vs amateurs, it was 2 owl teams. and the only analysis that was done was completely shitting on the team who won and literally blaming individual players
ayo contenders casters?
without mentioning the team that lost at all, or giving any praise to london for winning
Contenders casters
hadi was isolated let's talk shit for 2 minutes
then blame landon for it
lets not mention the n2s swap to genji from mei that pretty much lost them kings row and the series
Hadi patiently waiting for his interview as he hears Lemon talk shit about his team lmaoooooo
atl gaming

n2s literally selling the whole kings row match and then they complain about the MVP
the contenders teams seem to be running Ball the most
talking shit about valiant isn’t fun at all
Calling the current valiant roster "pros" is a stretch.
Regardless the increased criticism of London is earned because exactly because of how well they did last season. They proved to be better than previous expectations and so we should expect them to be just as good or better and non dominance in the Val match up doesn't show that
What I miss so far?
it was pretty dominant lmao
The league talks just as poorly about Toronto and Boston for similar reasons
what
and backbone is on high ping
non dominance?
they just 2-0'd them
bro what
how is that not dominance
and "increased criticism" isnt literally shitting on them for winning
guys just dont use these matches to judge teams in reg season
or blaming individuals for no reason
Fixa what I miss so far today
the team that bullied the valiant all game were not dominant enough for me!
these matches shouldnt change ur recap of anything
but i wanna judge boston when they get boomed and then never win a series in owl
:D
Idk man shock really bad rn
Oh rip
will be soon but doubt theres gonna be good games
except Shock
lmao
they might need to sign a real hitscan and bench that heesang guy
Shock will be fine
off these performances
convinced valiant is just a cursed team
yes
nah theyre washed they got beat by skylanders Trap Team
wait
/Rizz Academy
actual hype commentators ?
nah it's cursed
dope
convinced
😐
🙂
pog casters
^^
whos casting rn
theyre not a duo
theyre contenders ones
its door and heurix
Door and Heurix
heurix is good
so what happens after ProAM
reg season
ProPM
do the contenders teams disappear into the void?
these emps are too much, lip god
lmao
it’s REIGN SZN
Pov skill based matchmaking
they got mauled
Reign slaughtered them
the second map was sorta a clean sweep
Man they got mallywoped
first one was ok
REIGNSZN
best team in the world
What is your pfp??
Lip and Stalker doing hella work
Atl playing ai
what was bro cooking number 1 owl team against a contenders 5 stack
Second best owl team
this is their buildup year
and then they win owl
No I mean that thin in the middle
my artistic interpretation of hollow knight
yes
they j play contenders again
korean contenders is already starting
Ohh
Thought it already started
Some of the team emojis are gonna need to be changed.
why are glads not in this one
idk why theyre doing overwatch tokens in drops
did they go bankrupt or something
literally just give them for watching
Because they would lose to contenders
so would valiant

the ancient runes
Cuz they are in group c
oh
Rip Hunters. You will be missed
Why?
I’m pretty sure they are still alive
Just haven’t said much
I thought the team itself was literally disbanded
Yeah that’s what everyone thought from that one image
But they said all teams have met the roster deadline
And haven’t addressed chengdu hunters about disbanding
the massacre begins
wish my ranked matches were this EZ
The absolute demolished saints
0 kills from saints
damn i went afk
Is that a record?
n came back to 4 min cap
0 0
did they change how you get owl tokens or is it the same as last year
0 deaths too
satisfactory?
no drops for pro am
ohh
Idk
on all people?
yes
that's crazy
Did atl roll
1 death
i appreciate the object permenance shoutout by the casters
THEY GOT A KILL
goated
It's okay. They never cap B
they should bring out the junkrat
Lip is hitting emps too. Big change for him
surely junkrat is better than genji
LMAOOOOOOO
cant even climb a wall
Terrible blade. Kiriko ult useless. Mines nullified.
That been a thing lol
whos the first
2020 was when his werent as good
lets go trick room
not a big fan of Trick Room's logo
reign has not dropped a map yet and neither has outlaws
I need titans to win some good matches. I want a clean up from how bad it was last year
Making those 2 teams the best
plus i keep thinking they're called Trap Team like the skylanders game
i don’t like the titans cus they tweet too much 🤧
most of the owl teams did during the offseason
but i’m in vanc so like.. i shud support them
jk I love me some Lenny
Ur from Canada? I want to move there bruh.
i mean not really
it's just a franchising thing
they dont have like a deep vancouver history like actual sports teams do
how u gonna let this happen
How u gonna stop him
well yeah, exactly
lol
Idk what u expect
THEY HAVE BOTH
lip may just be the best sombra to touch the game
Owl teams to have history?
1st and 2nd fastest map times
I mean who’s better?
also you could support a team because its your city
Then wake up and theyve changed to the Shittington Legends or something
u werent raised on the streets
youve never seen
his sombra
who’s “his”
OMG HAWK
He is him.
this dude is hungry
I'd at minimum expect them to not move about lol
The chiefs moved?
sports teams have moved before
also re-branding is mostly based on the owners
only reason philly rebranded was cause T1 kinda forced them 2
your local team does not just leave
Teams relocate
why not
in every single sport