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hey guys. is it too late to get the OWL Kiriko skin?
As in earning it or getting the reward
umm I don't really know tbh. I just saw mL7 use it and it looks so nice
Earning it is over. They’re still sending out reward. Not a single person got their Sojourn skin yet it seems.
ah ok, thank you
I didnt get anything yet lmao
bad news...
and i have 298 tokens, so i cant even buy anything from the shop until i get my tokens ;(, which aint happening anytime soon lmao
any counters for doom?
piggy
hog
playing lucio, kiriko as support also helps
wasn't there a rumor about owl going to twitch ?
so i can maybe get drops the instant i unock them instead of waiting a month for still some to be missing
is it possible to jump ranks?
Yes
I hate sexists
I hate that I can watch someone replay OWL Season 4 Playoffs for free ramattra drops
F
Reign szn
Alarm a goat
That's impossible sadly..
Why we mad at reign
no
I just got my first batch of skins (trace,genji ect)and tokens,will the others come soon?
if i use controller connected to pc, will i get aim assist?
what are some dps that can deal with widow?
junkrat
imo anyone who has decent midrange dps can just dump on doom
and block pierces
I will preach to the masses that Cole is a sleeper pick
he can't die to meteor strike basically ever
he has an extra 25 to help with slam
doom plays in a range where his falloff doesn't absolutely destroy him
and his weapons can't "accidentally" give power punch
problem with cass is when doom dives on cass there's an 80% chance another dive hero is coming with him
he can only roll so far
Cassidy when a doom and tracer appear in front of him 
He hard counters
Both those characters lmfao
Unless they changed block so it doesn’t get fucked by Cree nade
Cassidy when he has support from his team and can bait out abilities with his grenade
🙀
Then the team plays Winston tracer sojun Lucio and kirko
What team is teampepmax
Or something like that
Apparently Washington want tham
What is suspected meta?
team peps
mostly former paris
benbest, fdgod naga, getamazed
isnt that rumor old tho
f tier prob
i have seen hog in the mix still
but yeah it will be dive unless they buff ram
all roads lead to dive or goats
i mean yeah
hogs always good in vacuum
him and monke
Ngl, Sojourn got buffed
Hit a squishy with 1 regular bullet then headshot
And she builds rail and ult so much quicker
chadi
Still not get owl sojourn skin,..
why didnt they just revert sojourn railgun hitbox size... that shit is humongous
and maybe do some damage falloff
are we gonna be able to get OWL credits in the near future or is that it for now
wrong chanel
my bad
When is the Sojourn skin coming?
i just received all my credits... i was given 465 tokens lmao
i thought i was gonna receive like 250 at most
U receive now ? I still need sojourn skin
I hope fast
Omg
Did they finish dishing out the tokens?
I got 100 after watching all of the finals
Plus the encores
do i need to wait another year for overwatch league tokens? i just got 80 tokens
no, they just gave a flat 100 for everyone for now
🤓
have not got it yet
I think sojourn skin will be bugged forever …
Wdym?
i got all owl skins except for sojourn even tho i watched the finals? does anybody know anything?
Mee too we should open ticket ?
ok
We need open ticketi think
no one has it
there's no reason to open a ticket if no one has them
it's a problem on their end that they're working to resolve
It'll arrive in time
I just started with ow 2 can someone explain how owl works does it happen every season

"everyone", ...... :(
Holy
Fuck
Leaks r coming out
apparently happy shu skewed will end up on Houston?
I don’t know what to say to this
I’m so happy to see skewed shoo away the glads :)
that was cringe sorry
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ITS HAPPENING
Oh no
Justice is fucked
Fdgod and benbest -> Justice
just wait for them to drop everyone midseason sign malaka and win a title
if all goes through we expect their roster to basically be an all korean version of the los angeles gladiators.
(happy shu skewed)
???
Talking abt Houston btw
oh god
The only issue I have with happy is that he either needs to learn how to play a lil bit of flex (tracer or sombra) or have another flex dps
2021 flashbacks 🫠
F tier team getting summoned
oh no
huston might be a very good team this year if they sign the right players
Hey quick question will the "Calling all heroes" event give OWL tokens or not
no
Alright time to wait for the next league
might be waiting till April
Smurf hanbin happy (pelican if he stays) spectra shu skewed lastro?
Is kinda possible
crazy to say that but it’s close to happening
I still not don't know about pelican
He might go charge csyebif piggy
Cause
Hanbin no I feel like Dallas will try to keep him
I can’t think of any1 to replace him rn
That is what I was going to say profit might join cause smurf
Maybe not happy
It’s been leaked hanbin won’t be or prob won’t be staying with Dallas if I’m not mistaken
I can't remember
did anyone else just get 200 owl tokens?
Sadge
Prob going to either la Florida or sf
is this not just
mer1t to shock
and houston get traded one of o2 blasts players
i doubt florida has enough money to get mer1t
theyre a very poverty org
on top of spending for someone + checkmate
Yeah they tweeted good weather so it’s one of those three
My guess was la
Cuz leaks say hou will be getting some la players
(Happy shu skewed)
LA has kai kevin sugarfree
Ooh I forgot abt Kai going to la
I would assume sf then
Merit Alr knows like majority of the ppl there
How come i got my OWL skins for junker and kiriko but not Sojourn, and im still missing my tokens
Are we getting a 02 blast shock like bruh
When is rammattra in pro league
Very probable tbh
o2 blast + violet
yea
How could they drop such a valuable player 😡😡
how can you earn OWL tokens these days? any streams that offer them anymore?
sigh
overwatch 2 are greedy as fuck
they re-released old owl skins
and decided to charge 100 more tokens each
I'd have been able to afford them all at the original prices, but not at the current ones 🙃
shoulda just gotten them in ow1 when I had the chance 
They r called overwatch league tokens for a reason right?
If overwatch league season is over
then obviously u shouldn’t be able to get them
Yes, of course they're called that for a reason
I don't follow the league so I don't know when it's on, no need to be a smart ass about it
yeah no need to cry over it either it’s just cosmetics
You were
Anyone know how long the owl Zen, echo and brig skins will be available in the shop? Same with the owl hog and sombra skins
until you have enough tokens
Lmao
Anyways back to a more relevant topic
Would u rather have happy or mer1t on your team?
mer1t
happy
merit
Happy
There only problem with happy is his flex
Mer1t is good tracer/sombra but doesn’t peak higher than happy on traditional hitscans
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Omg sombra is so hawt
Ow2 not wins 😦
Happy is still good but it has to be mer1t
you'll be able to gain them again when the next owl season starts
what people are on los angeles gladiators team
Gladiators ofc
Anyone else watching the ow kr legends stream
I still not get sojourn skin guys what we should do ? Open tickets ??
Do u read replies
Where ?
Danteh being cut is all part of the master plan for shock dominance let’s go danteh on shock!!!!!
U got sojourn skin too ?
well shiet i am 10 tokens short of a team skin
Currently there is kevster (flex dps + hitscan), and funnyastro (amazing main supp)
Shu skewed have been able to explore options but may come back
Happy space options were both declined
And Reiner is gonna go to Toronto
I need sojourn …..
happy
Still asking about sojourn skin smh
Happy is still a good pick
Bro what
Saudi eleague has heart rate monitors?
And hadi is just chilling at 60 bpm? Lmao
stich and heesu, or as I'm now calling Runaway for tomorrow's tournament
ok I can make out bumper haksal and heesu
Sheesh is stitch?
Run is runner?
Gon is lee Jae gon fo sho
Gang is gangnamjin?
I'm personally disappointed this wasn't a shot for Kaiser to make an appearance
seeing as bumper was a lot younger back then, and kaiser considers himself a fossil
I wonder who gon is I wonder if his full name will help 🤔
Same with gang
Also @sullen berry hou dropped mer1t
officially
I thought u were in charge of esport annoucements
posting here for the flex doesn't make me post it sooner while I'm at work lol
sorry man
what is this for?
- kdp
- runaway
- gc busan
- lunatic hai
showcase for these 4 historic korean teams
Haksal and GNJ both had their talent drained by Nugget
i have GC Busan higher
isn't this the sojourn nerf patch
she is still insane
funny story
ah
guess who GC Busan could've got for hitscan
who
Edison
eidgod?
i love eid
yes Edigod is a former GCB player
He one tricked zarya didn’t he
so did Decay
Busan clears this
Gc busan goated
Kongdoo look stacked though
CSH boutta carry fr
@plush grail
Is the color the same
Ya I think
because alphayi and fielder?
With that frontline they get fucked by any
- LH
- RA
- GCB
- KDP
do not sleep on the hagopeun doomfist
ngl that was a lazy rebrand, they keep the chicken
eu contenders playing orisa mirror huh
he is broken
@plush grail
Are the new heroes ever going to get OWL skins?
By that I mean stuff like team colors, they have them in OWL, but now we’re in season 2 with nothing
to show their team is nothing but cock
No they will win 2023
wub comes back and has a Checkmate redemption arc
looks like a color palette change
Rn I'm a free agent
It all depends on getamazed
If he flops naga fdgod benbest on the table
I become justice fan
If not I stay loyal to the cock
Damb
It's actually happened
Vegas eternal doesn't have the same ring
Become london fan, that's where the fun is
And it's still eu region
I'd rather not bandwagon
join philly
I already have a gf
washington about to be f tier
getamazed is incredibly overated
"but paris 2021"
they farmed their wins off of vancouver and spitfire
Makes sense
If they do I’m getting a Paris skin before pallet change even tho I’m already gonna get a owl skin for the heroes without a special owl skin
they were 2-6 in games they shouldn’t have won
also 8-8 overall with the easiest schedule is not good lol
Paris 2021 would have done a bit better had they had dridro and vestola from the start
Could have gone 10-6
Or something
narr
well yeah ofc
neptuno admitted to being washed
ellivote was battling a medical thing
something which made moving his hands hurt
It is true neptuno threw the whole first stage and Dridro played his first game through hotspot and no scrim time
Which may have cost paris 2 winnable games
Defiant and mayhem
Imo
3rd california team
9-7 imo
Yeah but then they imploded
Paris played a close game vs them
With neptuno
Which is why I claimed that match was winnable IMO
funny enough
vegas is nevada tho
bee
Getamazed as gm 
Lol
Name change just to still be a bottom 5 team
Fr
Thats all they have going for them 
Devs will overbuff rematra
And paris will get left in the dust if they dont find a flexibile tank
Also vegas eternal but no new logo?
Lol
ahh yeah once an outlaw, always an outlaw
cuts them from the roster because u can get a similar skill level rookie for cheaper
Not even affiliated with paris anymore yet still rocks the national bird of paris
Makes a lick of sense as starting afire in rain
Still no sojourn skin 😭
anyone else gotten all the skins, but not the tokens?
ive gotten all the skins i shouldve, but still 0 tokens
Should've dropped the eternal too
Vegas eternal sounds so bad
I get everything but not sojourn skin.. I think is bugged… 
We should open ticket I think bcz is a bug..
yeah i dont have the sojourn skin either
but i honestly want the tokens more
Is bugged..
I hate those bugs tbh
yeah
Sym nerf
Wait why didny my ranks reset i have the same ranks from last season??
I know it's stupid

how do I unlock overwatch titles
I got my tokens but not sojourn skin I’m crying still bugged 🥺
Could someone send all the OWL skins so i could see my Future options, would be super helpful 🐧?
what are some deep intimate questions that really make you think about life? please lmk
and fuel and glads
asre u gonna do this every day
Of course they need fix it 
if paladins was in development before overwatch.. does that mean overwatch is a paladins copy?
Why don’t you do that in general chat
How u feel now that ur teams gone
Yes, spamming it in esports discussion will definitely get it fixed
First step in fixing the league, remove the french
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Fuck french people
"if x game was in development before x game does that mean one is a copy" has gotta be one of the most ignorant takes in existence
respectfully
Every game is fundamentally a copy of another
game development is not
oh this game exists and it was announced literally 2 months before we decided to announce ours
things go into development literal years before getting announced
and yes that
the idea of genres themselves prove that everything is in some way derivative of another project
Rip wubnation
Based
the only instance of game dev in recent years that may be considered "we saw this so let's try to replicate it" is fortnite
because I guarantee you without its success we would not end up with so many additional battle royale modes
but games are going to copy aspects of others in some way
to say that's something detrimental is literally ignoring how well the game implements it
Yes
But such is the nature of gaming
Look at the battle royale crazy
Why does every mp game now have to run a bp model?
Do league tokens earned from owl streams expire?
Bp are pretty good imo
Devs get money we get skins
Loot boxes from ow1 just weret working imo
no
TOKENS???
Its the same thing as bp but the bp is worse. Lootboxes devs got money if people wanted to skip the free grind. They didn't need to turn it into a live service game. Thats an Activision thing.
Loot boxes are pretty much getting banned in some places in ow1 high leveled players pretty much had everything and got the skins with left over coins
lootboxes are banned in some countried
countries
gambling laws etc
buying them
so have a different shop for those countries
lootboxes can still be earnable for free
and what countries even are those
because how do any other games like gacha games survive there
They dont
promoting lootboxes to underage players or having the ability to make real money off of the contents is what's making them banned everywhere
blizzard didn't want to sotp marketing towards kids so they complied
Got all of them But not the s skin…
if this rumour is fake then there is a chance the others are too
Hot take
Hydron is better than merit
Also was this a trade
Cuz the free agent signing hasn’t started right?
Hydron was leaving anyway due to AT Defiant reunion
Yeah Ik but I’m just trynna say they downgraded on hitscan role
hydron I think a bit more flexible
mer1t higher peaks on sojourn, but even then hydron isn't far off
so florida rn is Someone/Checkmate/Mer1t/Rupal?
also funny how shock fans actually gaslit themselves into thinking mer1t to shock was a guarantee
same with lip to shock
You are the shock fans
I don't delude myself into a signing prediction as fact without any basis
do I speculate what would be cool? yea, but I don't believe it as a thing that will happen
yall i have the sf shock keycap set idk where i should put it up for sale im decluttering what yall suggest
Shock are getting midsang
hesang probe
What Tier is Kiriko?
SS
SSS
SSSS
Kiriko is one of those heroes wheir even the most ass cheek master player can gap the other teams FS who happens to be ShU playing ana
she's ok
? She’s the best support rn
i still prefer lucio
I mean both excel in different areas but yeah those 2 together make the best support line
1 is flex while the other is main
best flex support because funny kit go zoom
if you start hitting kunai she just uhh
wins
damn
yeah she is mid
Ssss
I hate the French
🤣🤣🤣🤩
Need to eliminate all widowmakers as tracer
Proper, the worst Overwatch player to ever grace the earth, is a complete and utter failure. He is a talentless hack who couldn't hit the broad side of a barn with a laser-guided missile. He is the definition of a potato, and he couldn't frag his way out of a wet paper bag.
In fact, Proper is so indescribably bad at Overwatch that he makes even Malthel look like a pro. He is the laughing stock of the Overwatch League, best known for his abyssmal aim, complete lack of game sense, and incredibly toxic behaviour.
joke btw
i thought this was serious
What was the total amount of tokens earned for watching it all?
15 tokens
yeah sounds like you didn't get the 3x booster for linking your microsoft account as well as your battlenet account
Holy shit dude how did you get more than 3???
Aight the shitpost getting out of hand 
what is all meta heroes right now?
tracer hog doom soujurn Kiriko lucio
Tracer isn’t meta
So far it’s been like 90% HS
Proj DPS on the downfall rn
Then what would be meta dps other than sojourn?
Torb
Yeah
tracer is who's being mostly played tho ? lol
1st place in saudi, really truly am the GOAT of coaching. players did fine but a lot of responsibility was on my shoulders and i came in clutch time and time again, think this team was really lucky to have me this season. wp to twisted minds- shame that they had to compete vs me.
295
He just like@me
Pov me
hope he gets back in owl to see how good he actually is
can i still get OWL tokens by watching something or just buying them for now?
Based
Why no rewards in this stream
but you got the banner tho right?
these?
Tracer one is so nice
What heroes will be the new owl meta team now in season 2?
can i not earn OWL tokens for the current live stuff going on?
it doesn't show the prompt to earn any, or the little green dot when im logged in
what hero do u recomend me to use in ow2( i prefer damage , or support and iam new ) bapiste , solider , sojourn , trobojourn , or junkrat or pharah which one should i use. you can reccomend other heros too
Best place to ask
yeah the green one is imo way better than tokens
the RAT
Give me some preference?
Would u rather play at close ranges or far ranges
Would u rather play as a playmaker or a “support”
can you get top 500 icon for comp lucio ball?
Well when the gamemode comes back maybe
i would like play far ranges and mid range but i am not too bad at short range
i prefer damage role
i watched the overwatch league for 1 hour how long does it take to get the tokens?
bro went into the past 😭
Hey so why do people that play nationally always spray the ground mid game
And what does the two different timers mean
I never understood that during the finals
helps you aim better
wdym?
at the top? ita just the timebank for each teams
have you played comp?
basically it just tells you how much time a specific team has
counts down til 0 and game ends unless someone touches the point within 3 seconds
or for control it goes to 100 and ends unless someone touches within 3 seconds
its hard to explain the OT rules without it being shown Ig
mods
top tier mods
<@&397922982632226816> delete please

tyvm
thanks for pinging @uncut drum @earnest leaf
Yeah I was on the middle of having a snowball fight
smh
yo how do i get overwatch league coins?
ayo ATing is still playing?
Find a job and then buy them
the other way is having a friend that does it for you
Commit crime
Was, like Frogger in contenders this year
The run was short lived and Ating's team got 3-0'd out of Pacific Showdown
when does signing szn start
did they sort out the china thing
which one?
this stuff
Probably searching for another chineese publisher
wait what
it’s why they keep pushing back the signing stuff
china gone? 
idk i think they’re trying to figure stuff out still if there’s no new news
Probably
Im assuming season will start late again
And with December probably being a holiday month
Deals arent made within 3-4 months
Especially with blizzards current shit fuck reputation
Also they would have togo tencent for publishing rights
That wont be pretty
Sojourn's OWL Home & Away skin will be delivered to all players who have earned it in January.
another day another L from ow
anyone know why they dont release the OWL skins for the new heroes?
I mean wasn't the rewards stuff fucked from youtube's side and not really owl's
Cause they want money from shop probably
Yeah, youtube fucked it lmao
I wonder
This just in it has been pushed back to February
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YouTube’s deal is ending this year as well
I’m do what direction owl is gonna go
Back to twitch or stay on YouTube but there’s a lot of mystery in the air this off-season
prolly both
I feel like twitch was genuinely a lot easier for tuning in and grabbing views from other places but
after this whole drops fiasco I'd be surprised if they did not go to twitch
To get more OWL points. Do I have to watch OWL or can it just be any Overwatch stream?
gotta be owl
Ah thanks
when will my tokens dissapear
As soon as there's something you like in the shop
Have they still not released the sojourn owl skin
same
how do i get drops from streams?
like, do i have to connect my twitch account with my battlenet account
step one: staple your nutsack to the floor
does this mean that i wont get a league skin then?
no first you staple your nutsack to the floor
you’ll get it in January(that’s what they said$
hi can i ask something?
ask
my platform is pc
i have problem in voice chat when i enter voice chat i cab hear my team talking but when i talk they cant hear me or anyting
i went to settings and make mic on and auto join voice chat and same in battle.net
and still didnt work
can anyone help me?
u need a microphone
i have it
alright then it needs to be the input source in ur pc settings
i test the mic its locate my voice
i did it and i test it and was good
but in over not
idk
u sure u had mic on?
yep
wdym?
and it just fixed itself after a while
i didnt get it
how its fixed?
oh u mean puch to talk?
if u have push to talk enabled then u need to hold it
both things
u can mute and unmute like in discord
i try every thing i know and still not work
and no i think it was a bug or smth
so i deleat over and instail it ag?
u will get over it buddy
or?
i would restart first
no need to delete it instantly
i restart my pc couple times
unistail?
i mean if ur ranked under diamond i would uninstall anyways
u mean i noob?
im glad u figured
i have a sixth sense for gold players
its realy what i think it
overwatch commenuity is toxic
ur so right bestie
community*
gold player smh
<@&397922982632226816>
Please keep this channel on topic and stop pointlessly arguing with eachother
and stop being rude to people based on their tier. Its unnecessary
i dont wanna end up like endoken or memeicus
or me
so i rather behave
or uvalo
mike
I was for repeated toxicity in this channel
LOL
and uvalo was for spamming “SHOCK 🤡 THE 🤡 WORLD”
nah cuz randoms come in this channel with off topic shit and then we getting blamed for trolling them 😔
lmaooo
classic
man in off season this chat is beyond dead
once signings happen ed hits its peak
idk why they want us to strictly talk about esports still
like once we start playing chess and doing google form power rankings
realll
i remember man
unfortunately u blew it
nah because we cannot act like we used to without getting muted by these 🤓 mods
scary
like the battle of pokemonpat
oh yeah
ed won thanks to rioting and help from empathy but we almost lost hellfire
they sided with him
for some reason
guy already got banned from the OWL server for spreading misinformation about covid
take a guess
Marbel
easy
Am I right
ofc
I don’t miss
well ur lips son so ofc u cant miss
True
we’d need someone to recount the before times
when none of us were here
We study the old texts
some ppl actually forgot about endoken
endoken was before my time
they deserve the trolling
we need to liberate ED again
@hot onyx @frosty patrol this is where you guys usually reside? lol
ur so right bestie
this is the promiseland
You run the show here? 🗿
no he runs his mouth that is full of shit here
nobody does
but I have been the commissioner of stuff like the ed chess league
and helped create the splinter servers
that teribbly failed
i did
Mashallah brother
not my fault
i showed up to every match that i could play
i was having fun with memeicus in chess evolved online
i wanted to see the Levy vs Danxv33 grand finals
only in scrims
it would’ve been urumir vs danxv33 sadly
i went 6-0 in official matches
we didnt play more
against the worst shitters in the tournament
i saw an upset in the works
i played him first
Hari is decent
yeah sans didn’t you beat like uvalo hari lsd and 3 forfeits
i got smoked
i beat Uvalo and lsd in scrims
i only played two official matches
Hari and the forfeit vs Ian
I think I had a washington justice like week
where I shit the bed against worse opponents
ur just terrible honestly
Dondozo best out there
yes but I blundered in like 8 straight matches
I went 3-2 with urumir
how tf did u lose to sans then
I didn’t?
thats what sans said
I got reverse swept denied
in scrims tho
Wait I think
i won a single map in scrims
hop in our splinter for chess league
I blundered once against sans
bringing it back
W
💀
after rioting from lsd and sans
I personally
two messages don't count as a riot
IM PRO
hey i found this generator that generates one letter and two numbers at random, i’m going to try it
SILVER HARDSTUCK
I hate cannibals
you’re the only one willing to enforce your authority and therefore you have none
I am a dictator
23rd I believe
it’s always doable
tell this to korean justice

i fucking CAME
I still rather have all stars
its still so weird to me how we peaked last finals
but they dont try to follow up with any type of all-stars event
it'd be fun if they just did regional for fun scrims every 2 weeks
I feel like all the hype died down after the 2 free agent window delays
also because we get 0 content
Teams aren’t even technically signed rn
there are no teams in overwatch league
profit alpha yi neko fieldder
esca whoru imo
Why are you a mod again
Morocco*
morroco beats france but looses to argentina last minute me thinks
wait fuck
france are winning the finals
if they beat morocco
which source do i believe
if
morocco wins
and sampaio roots for morocco in finals as former french colony
Almost everyones accounted for 
frightening
That is everyone
Who am I missing
i think it is referring to a lack of players like Twilight Kaiser Woohyal Edison Fissure Luffy Zunba etc
ah
They will
it would be funny if they didn't
morocco is looking like champions
0 ball knowledge
If u think that
Their football is good but piss ugly to look at they don't play like champions
I just know argentina literally cannot win
They play to survive
cause finals ref is dog
Argentina has to die
so whoever wins this wins wc
If they win football lost
They should have been eliminated by Netherlands but paid the refs
what the matter with argie?
i am heavily in favour of Messi's first title over Mbappe's second title in two cups in a row

