and seoul almost went 0-3 against them 💀 💀
#esports-discussion
keen abyss
that match
was so fucking close
to being spark 3-0
and imo if seoul had played stalk3r
seoul wins 3-0
gusty rampart
keen abyss
profit is possibly a top 10 starting fdps
kevsta proper zest alphayi pelican choisehwan speedily checkmate yaki sp9rk1e jinmu (meta dependent so i dont fully count him) decay all better
than profit
and if you want to extend the list to non starters and retired 2022 players stalk3r pati whoru better
honestly maybe even doha better
cloud latch
I take profit over a few of those
cloud latch
hot take I like decay
whenever a team I like faces him Im shivering in my timbers because of him
crisp badge
so my 2 friends play as heal and me as tank. should i try dps ? sometimes we just get 2 dps that dont do shit honestly and i was considering maybe going dps but idk if tank role is too important now as well
tiny pollen
I'd take proper kevster sparkle heesang over profit
keen abyss
you are saying that sparkr is worse than profit
which is something that i disagree with
slate siren
Wait so Spark won the play ins? What does that mean now
earnest leaf
they are qualified for playoffs and will fly to NA to compete
uncut drum
Sparkr > profit
Agree
candid radish
you are saying that sparkr is worse than profit
I fixed it
uncut drum
I fixed it
One is hitscan one in flex
On hit scan sparkr beats profit
On DPS as a while profit wins
I support both London and Seoul
But I think we all know profit is the goat
keen abyss
But I think we all know profit is the goat
i think he's the second most overrated player
in OWL history
uncut drum
i think he's the second most overrated player
Who is the first
keen abyss
fleta
candid radish
But I think we all know profit is the goat
He is but, the goat is starting to falter
keen abyss
he was a top fdps in season one mid in season 2 eh in season 3 until playoffs mid in season 4
and average in season 5
candid radish
Other than him and carpe are there any other s1 players still in owl
candid radish
Pretty sure Kalios played in s1 but then left
uncut drum
Tobi is now a coach so that doesn't count
Profit has been in the overwatch eSports for the longest I think
keen abyss
Other than him and carpe are there any other s1 players still in owl
fleta profit carpe danteh fury
i feel like im forgetting some OTs
candid radish
fleta profit carpe danteh fury
Danteh was playing in season 1?
keen abyss
I was thinking Poko hotba I just wasn’t sure if they were s1 or s2
keen abyss
Danteh was playing in season 1?
shock
it’s insane how 4 s1 Boston players are still in the league
striker neko aimgod kalios
space izayaki architect are s1
dude what the fuck
2 people from s1 shanghai are still in the league
candid radish
Danteh was on the shock?
candid radish
Wasn’t diya on the 0-16 valiant
karmic charm
Other than him and carpe are there any other s1 players still in owl
there's like
13
s1 players
I counted last night
limpid grail
valiant moment
tulip swallow
the end of season level coming back to 0 ???
boreal root
Hey how to have pyjamei ?
sullen berry
you go to bed at reasonable hours for a full year
if you break that streak even during weekends
boreal root
??
sullen berry
you have to start over
oh sorry you meant Pyjama mei
that's an OW1 legacy event skin
boreal root
oh sorry you meant Pyjama mei
you can still get it sometimes in the shop or it's dead
sullen berry
probably later during the year
last nimbus
I wonder
Nay i know
If shock have a good tank next year
They will be #1
All season
uncut drum
Maybe
hollow grove
im an esports player im a professional!! I am BRONZE 3!!
carmine isle
ayo got a question does the "1-22" stand for wins and loses in the ow league? so like there stands Paris Eternal 1-22
tulip sorrel
i have no clue what any of this means hahah
carmine isle
haha
cloud latch
ayo got a question does the "1-22" stand for wins and loses in the ow league? so...
yes it does
1 win 22 losses
carmine isle
okey thanks
uncut drum
im an esports player im a professional!! I am BRONZE 3!!
Yeah sure
hollow grove
imma make an overwatch team with my friend, me being manager and him being the actual player, what should i call it
carmine isle
strong bois
karmic charm
sigmas toe lickers
cloud latch
and what about it?
carmine isle
sigmas toe lickers
I am one
karmic charm
and I like their colour scheme
carmine isle
nice
fathom igloo
Wasn't kalios in s1
keen abyss
yes
karmic charm
anamo, architect, carpe, fate, fearless, fleta, fury, hotba, kalios, aimgod, neko, profit, striker, void, danteh, space, poko
who is the 1 im missing
fathom igloo
Was violet s1 or 2
cloud latch
violet s2
karmic charm
violet and smurf were s2
cloud latch
is there someone missing?
karmic charm
they said 18 i only got 17
cunning patrol
Yeah
cloud latch
I think that's who you're missing
cunning patrol
No
karmic charm
but apparently wasnt till s3
cloud latch
boombox neptuno
cunning patrol
Neptungoat
fathom igloo
I miss boombox
uncut drum
^
fathom igloo
and jerry
karmic charm
ldn boombox next yr?
keen abyss
anamo, architect, carpe, fate, fearless, fleta, fury, hotba, kalios, aimgod, nek...
izayaki
karmic charm
he was s2?
uncut drum
that neptuno triple kill on night market against houston
keen abyss
he was s2?
pretty sure he was on valiant in s1
uncut drum
i remember that so clearly
keen abyss
just on bench
fathom igloo
ldn boombox next yr?
nah probably not they'll keep the same core
keen abyss
void was s1?
cunning patrol
Yes
keen abyss
huh i thought he joined s2 with decay
karmic charm
nah probably not they'll keep the same core
noukky said alot of their contracts expire this year
cunning patrol
Void has been insane since kdp
fathom igloo
noukky said alot of their contracts expire this year
doesn't mean they won't try to extend them
fathom igloo
There will be a big bidding war next year for sparkr and maybe poko
uncut drum
you never know
cunning patrol
I do
karmic charm
i could see another team maybe try get landon
fathom igloo
See the thing is it's hard to predict this early
uncut drum
poko still might be played in gf
cloud latch
I doubt people are gonna pay high amounts for either of those players
cunning patrol
Every western team has an ot better than poko
Except
The Paris eternal
He might go to the Paris eternal
uncut drum
nah i think he wont
cunning patrol
But I think they will get false
Who is a better player
And American
Imo
He’s Canadian
karmic charm
do defiant and nyxl blow their rosters up in post season
cloud latch
no
well
defiant shouldn't
they have the pieces there
chorong twilight heesu muze
cunning patrol
Defiant won’t
karmic charm
they should try get someone better than although
karmic charm
I doubt people are gonna pay high amounts for either of those players
i could see landon going to mayhem in rupals place
karmic charm
landon slightly better imo
cunning patrol
Yeah
karmic charm
although i dont think any of the ldn players would do better on another team
theyre only so good bc of their team chemistry rly
cloud latch
kaan
karmic charm
besides sparkr
cunning patrol
A good player
cloud latch
could be good
karmic charm
poko may retire tbh
cloud latch
MVP CANDIDATE CHADI could get signed to a decent team
karmic charm
sfs chadi ez
cloud latch
true
karmic charm
if sparkr goes they could get shockwave
karmic charm
i think only way poko stays is if he gets played in playoffs
uncut drum
or maybe a apac team pick him up again
keen abyss
He might go to the Paris eternal
bro they're trying to get away from france
uncut drum
imagine seoul pick him up
keen abyss
why would they sign a fr*nchie
karmic charm
from one bench to another
karmic charm
london get dannedd xd
cunning patrol
No
cloud latch
assuming seoul has a brain and smurf doesn't retire I doubt poko ever benches smurf on any hero
uncut drum
assuming seoul has a brain and smurf doesn't retire I doubt poko ever benches sm...
true
i just want jjonak back
keen abyss
assuming seoul has a brain and smurf doesn't retire I doubt poko ever benches sm...
just wait until hog meta where poko reveals he's the second coming of gesture
uncut drum
if he is back in good health
cloud latch
I doubt jjonak is gonna play pro again
uncut drum
he would make seoul even deadlier
keen abyss
he would make seoul even deadlier
ir1s gaps
keen abyss
ir1s was a goat ana stage 1
cloud latch
ir1s was a goat ana stage 1
deft wolf
I would be surprised if the eternal keep their players
earnest leaf
they could probably keep a few players
deft wolf
but it could happen
deft wolf
dove is staying
earnest leaf
dove/rakattack/lukemino are probably worth keeping
deft wolf
they said they will
💀
cloud latch
I like luke
indigo crest
stupid question how to fined a group of people to play with
cloud latch
stupid question how to fined a group of people to play with
there's an lfg section and click on the region you are in
then there should be multiple lfg vcs that you can join
cunning patrol
Untrue statement
willow drum
I love keznit
karmic charm
keznit is so fun to watch
trail perch
He’s too good for a 6th man spot
maybe fluid 6man roster?
OR someone currently becomes 6man and hes actually a player
he might just be the 6th player signed chronologically
lost thicket
aprita went from the proper of apac to benched by jimmy
cloud latch
aprita went from the proper of apac to benched by jimmy
jimmy just built diff
devout path
Untrue statement
It’s very factual
devout path
Due to chaos theory
cunning patrol
Fuck your theory
devout path
Any small change in the state of the game can cause keznit to seem random
Even though it’s not entirely random
But the scenarios are so precise that they might as well be random
So by that logic keznit is very random in play
Therefore he is inconsistent
cunning patrol
Untrue statement
next mesa
i think its untrue
fathom igloo
I have a good feeling about tor missing out on playoffs
willow drum
aprita went from the proper of apac to benched by jimmy
Aprita is only elite on 2 characters lol
Not even better than proper or Kevin on tracer
meager marsh
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willow drum
bro what///
cedar oasis
bro what///
worn falcon
iris gaps jjonak atm
yes
buoyant jacinth
bro what///
uncut drum
yes
Lets go vindam
I love how it is all zen Lucio ana and bap and then you see the one mercy
twilit oriole
I have a good feeling about tor missing out on playoffs
I have a good feeling about tor smacking justice to the losers bracket
balmy wolf
geguri diffing smurf
Not rlly a diff when he’s played 100 more games
If anyone is diff it’s Max
uncut drum
tank is pretty consistent
Who is the top rn
I love how smurf is playing only off tanks which is good cause he gets in more practice for gfs
willow drum
If anyone is diff it’s Max
he is such a good player
granted his best character
is like hard meta
so that might be why
he is so high
(thought to be one of the best korean zaryas)
karmic charm
who is max i dont keep up with non owl ppl
worn falcon
Who is the top rn
No idea, im betting on Void as the only OT
twin bloom
willow drum
No idea, im betting on Void as the only OT
it's probably not void
willow drum
If we are being real
shut up
gig does not clear max
why is gig not in owl
if he clears the most liked
korean ot....
worn falcon
smh clestyn
twin bloom
why is gig not in owl
Nepotism
willow drum
smh clestyn
man is playing JQ
cunning patrol
Shut the fuck up @twin bloom
twin bloom
Why
willow drum
gig isnt good
just because you are
#2 in something
does not mean you should be in OWL
but it means hes a gigachad
(playing monkey)
twin bloom
Ok
twin bloom
Also justice is the worst playinns team
They have looked worse than boston
And midronto
trim shadow
bumper <:ZenyattaCry:710408700585705503>
Is that the new grandmaster border or sum?
willow drum
?
worn falcon
Is that the new grandmaster border or sum?
yes
uncut drum
Doom?
hot onyx
2 goats and Super in the top 3
lost thicket
whats the S3 game where we got moth zen and super sigma vs washington justice
ark bap
lost thicket
Aprita is only elite on 2 characters lol
I saw comments calling him proper of the east
north relic
bumper <:ZenyattaCry:710408700585705503>
there definitely
isnt a dominate tank rn that needs some sort of change imo
cloud latch
isnt a dominate tank rn that needs some sort of change imo
it's hog
we have a 50% wr against hog today
and vs zaryas we have a much higher percent cahnce of winning
silk kestrel
isnt a dominate tank rn that needs some sort of change imo
Pretty much hog, doomfist, junker queen, and ball
One could even argue orisa as she’s highly map dependent imo (maps that enable her javelin spin to push enemies off the map tend to be where she shines)
fathom igloo
Pretty much hog, doomfist, junker queen, and ball
Hog isn't that good still once you kill the pockets he's pretty much dead
Neither is ball
silk kestrel
Neither is ball
I listed tanks that need changes
And aren’t dominant
For hog I would suggest making it so his ult has a short hook cooldown to make it more lethal. And his pot to do minor AOE healing
For ball make it so his shields give 5-6 seconds of CC immunity and don’t give ult charge (will glow a different color and then change to green)
For junker queen make her axe swing do no immediate damage but 100-200 damage overtime depending on how long you charge it. This is a massive heal source and damage source that basically makes a target die in a period of time if they don’t get healed from anything. To compensate for this massive buff make the animation have more wind up for the axe and remember charging it enables the higher amount of damage overtime.
silk kestrel
For junker queen make her axe swing do no immediate damage but 100-200 damage ov...
One could say the junker queen buff listed here is a bit too strong. If it ends up being so in practice make the swing go from the extreme animation+charge to something you have to earn with her knife to do that mark for death status. Essentially there is a normal axe and an axe that is charged with blood from your knife. This could even have a new blood axe animation (I much prefer this idea)
static pond
The twitch spray is still@lock for me is that a bug?
silk kestrel
For junker queen make her axe swing do no immediate damage but 100-200 damage ov...
For doom fist make his fist do more damage when charged and un charged. Make it 25 impact and 25 wall uncharged. And 50 impact and 50 wall charged. If orisa can get a 100 damage javelin this seems fair. Also give him back his tech.
silk kestrel
For doom fist make his fist do more damage when charged and un charged. Make it ...
Also make it so if you charge his fist you get one charged punch and one uncharged punch
This enables his roll out playstyle even further
Basically punch into slam
Then power block a charged punch
Punch charged punch
Punch normal punch out
With added tech to further add depth to his roll outs
There blizzard, I balanced the mediocre tanks.
silk kestrel
One could even argue orisa as she’s highly map dependent imo (maps that enable h...
I would give orisa one new ability to give her peel. Atm she has 0 peel for her Allies. This ability is called STOP. Orisa essentially reaches out her hand to bring an ally to her and gives her ally 25-50 temp health for 2 seconds. This ability has a 5 second cooldown
She’s a great tank
But one who suffers from a sheer lack of mobility or peel options to protect her Allie’s
keen abyss
I think increasing his raw punch damage is a fundamental misunderstanding of tank doom and his issues
silk kestrel
I think increasing his raw punch damage is a fundamental misunderstanding of tan...
The damage isn’t what I really wanna buff here
The roll out is
And the charged punch playstyle
I would also make his power block immune to CC but the more I consider it with the double punch enabling strong roll outs and back line abuse idk how to feel about that now
fathom igloo
Doom is fine where he is atm
silk kestrel
Also make it so if you charge his fist you get one charged punch and one uncharg...
With this particular idea in mind
keen abyss
Doom is fine where he is atm
lol
fathom igloo
How is that funny
keen abyss
I would’ve gone with the toggleable charge punch route
silk kestrel
I feel like charged fist should simply have more value as it and his uncharged fist are too dependent on you wall banging opponents
silk kestrel
I feel like charged fist should simply have more value as it and his uncharged f...
Not simply in its damage but the fact it gives you a second punch
keen abyss
where you can keep the charge on the punch while using a normal punch
silk kestrel
For either added CC pressure or an escape
keen abyss
like hitting a certain button like reload or smth to switch between uncharged and charged
so you don’t have to use charge punch to disengage
which feels clunky
silk kestrel
like hitting a certain button like reload or smth to switch between uncharged an...
Oh no that’s not what I’m saying
keen abyss
well it is what I’m saying
silk kestrel
Power block instantly when recieving damage does 2 things
One powers up the punch and two instantly finishes the 4 second cooldown of his punch
This is the punch in its current state
keen abyss
also power block acting like things like javelin spin with what it can block like sleep
his recent nerfs were all entirely unwarranted
when he was hardly a top 3 tank
and not really oppressive
silk kestrel
My suggestion is to make it so his punch and power punch cooldowns are seperate. The power punch only is gained by his power block but after he uses powered punch he gains a second normal punch
Essentially punch into slam is a usual roll out
keen abyss
I mean that’s certainly a direction they can go in
silk kestrel
And one with high maneuvering
Then you block
Then you use power punch offensively
And then you have an additional normal punch still
silk kestrel
I feel like that could get a little oppressive
You see
He will not be immune to Cc
So a doomfist literally has to play around power block and CCs
If he power blocks in front of the whole team like your average zarya with bubbles he will most likely die
fathom igloo
I mean blizzard wants less cc
silk kestrel
This isn’t about that he earns his CC
If Ana can have sleep and orisa a javelin spin and a spear throw
keen abyss
like you’re suggesting 3 punches in the span of a few seconds with one being empowered
silk kestrel
He gets 2 punches
silk kestrel
like you’re suggesting 3 punches in the span of a few seconds with one being emp...
Correct if earned
fathom igloo
That's a little OP imho
silk kestrel
Which indicates avoiding CC like sleep
Which if you get slept when using power block good luck you are probably dead
And playing around enemies shooting behind you
Or simply having good trigger discipline
keen abyss
they really just need to give him his techs back, a way to store his punch charge, and block resistance to sleep/return some of the slow or smth on slam
silk kestrel
This version of doomfist is one that earns his oppressive status by playing around his matchups and combining his moves to form of combos
karmic charm
My suggestion is to make it so his punch and power punch cooldowns are seperate....
that seems unecessary and complicated imo
keen abyss
also meteor strike is so fucking bad
karmic charm
just buff meteor strike and make power block cc immune thatd help him surely?
and maybe increase his hp
silk kestrel
just buff meteor strike and make power block cc immune thatd help him surely?
It would make him kinda OP
silk kestrel
And I mean this sincerely
keen abyss
he needs a little more than that
silk kestrel
If he gets a CC immune power block alone
keen abyss
those are just the bare minimum
silk kestrel
He is going to dominate back lines 24/7
karmic charm
He is going to dominate back lines 24/7
multiple punches would do that too
keen abyss
he still wouldn’t be good
silk kestrel
Sends enemies into walls and 1 second stuns them
keen abyss
he needs something added to his main kit
silk kestrel
Which can be followed up with pellets which kills
fathom igloo
He really doesn't lmao
keen abyss
block blocking sleep should’ve been there from the beginning
silk kestrel
Players like zbra have demonstrated doom’s potential
keen abyss
the power punch system is so fucking clunky
silk kestrel
The only issue is that they keep getting CCD while not offering much in return
keen abyss
Players like zbra have demonstrated doom’s potential
zbra is the exception and doom is shit in OWL
silk kestrel
However if they were given more reward for working around CC
Great
But if they are given just raw CC immunity
karmic charm
zbra is the exception and doom is shit in OWL
did they nerf doom since he was played in owl? i havent looked at patch notes
or was he the same doom then
silk kestrel
This man is going to wreck back lines like it’s nobody’s business at higher levels of play
All I’m saying is basically
keen abyss
did they nerf doom since he was played in owl? i havent looked at patch notes
they removed slow from slam removed his techs and made some changes to power block I think reducing damage reduction to 80% or smth
silk kestrel
My suggestion is to make it so his punch and power punch cooldowns are seperate....
This makes him a lot more strong in lower levels of play and viable in higher levels
silk kestrel
just buff meteor strike and make power block cc immune thatd help him surely?
This makes him strong at higher levels
No doubt
keen abyss
This man is going to wreck back lines like it’s nobody’s business at higher leve...
just sleep immunity really
silk kestrel
Imagine a tank
silk kestrel
With CC immunity and that degree of tech and mobility
The only thing coming close is DVA
silk kestrel
sleep dart is just a fucking problem
Without it ana would be balls
keen abyss
so obviously you give ana something else
silk kestrel
What should we give Ana
keen abyss
not a 5 second stun
silk kestrel
That makes her capable of handling divers
Zen has a kick and high damage potential
2 characters get immunity (bap and kiriko)
karmic charm
just keep sleep but reduce how long ppl are slept for?
silk kestrel
2 characters get practical teleports/fast movement
keen abyss
just keep sleep but reduce how long ppl are slept for?
halving the time tanks are slept could be a solution
karmic charm
yeah like 2.5/3s sleep
silk kestrel
That’s fair tbh
5 is kinda
A meme in OW2
And feels antiquated with modern anti CC mindset
CC isn’t bad when done well hell their solution to making zen viable was literally
Ok
karmic charm
3s sleep with its 12s cd would be fine imo
silk kestrel
He gets infinite single target lucio boop
Also I feel like kiriko suzu should be
A bit adjusted as it’s very anti Ana
And rein
keen abyss
her kit is empty without it
silk kestrel
How about
keen abyss
if you take power out of suzu kiriko is just shit
silk kestrel
Buff the healing from 50 to 100 so it’s used more often. And make it so when suzud enemies are immune to receiving status effects and damage. Make the duration go from under a second to a second
This does 2 things both of which are good
One makes people use suzu more often in the initial neutral game for its raw AOE burst healing
Of 100 now
keen abyss
more burst healing! love to see it!
silk kestrel
more burst healing! love to see it!
That’s on a 20 second cooldown
Honestly it might’ve been even longer
Nvm it’s 14
I’m dumb
silk kestrel
I’m getting it confused with field
keen abyss
if you increase cd of suzu kiriko goes to moira tier
silk kestrel
Maybe make it so it’s 20
keen abyss
hell no
silk kestrel
if you increase cd of suzu kiriko goes to moira tier
Ehhh i wouldn’t say that
1 second of damage immunity
Up from 0.85
And status effect immunity
keen abyss
no don’t just make it second immo
silk kestrel
+new burst heal option
keen abyss
why do people keep offering kiriko reworks when we have not seen how she affects pro play
for all we know she’s a niche pick
silk kestrel
why do people keep offering kiriko reworks when we have not seen how she affects...
Ok so how do I word this
She makes 2 character null
Rein went from
keen abyss
literally wait out suzu
keen abyss
then shatter
silk kestrel
But now it’s like
silk kestrel
literally wait out suzu
Ok so
Remember how we discussed how it’s like oh idk
50 healing
Who on earth is using that
Ever
Why
If you know that rein has shatter
Why would you not save it
karmic charm
icl kiriko seems so mid
keen abyss
because of other debuffs
and instances where that .75 seconds of immunity can save a fight
silk kestrel
because of other debuffs
So we need to use ana to make rein valuable
At this point this is like saying we need to use something decent
keen abyss
not really I think you’ve gone from overrating suzu to underrating it
silk kestrel
To make what is basically recycling into a plastic water bottle
keen abyss
without it kiriko is a very dry character she needs to be actively using it to turn fights
silk kestrel
Rein isn’t terrible if used in very niche comps atm
Now adding kiriko
Yeah nah throw that niche out the window
keen abyss
she can’t just be saving it every time rein is close to shatter
silk kestrel
she can’t just be saving it every time rein is close to shatter
You know her suzu makes enemies like
Immune to pin
Right
deft wolf
Rein isn’t terrible if used in very niche comps atm
you can pull off a rein comp if ur the london spitfire
silk kestrel
you can pull off a rein comp if ur the london spitfire
Ik I just mentioned flank rein comp
It’s really cool
deft wolf
yes yes
silk kestrel
But it’s not gonna work with kiriko
keen abyss
sleep also invalidates pin btw
silk kestrel
rein would work with kiriko imo
For the damage immunity yeah
karmic charm
kiriko ult + rein brawl
deft wolf
Off topic chengdu mid again
silk kestrel
sleep also invalidates pin btw
But you can suzu an ally and they immediately exit pin, and rein phases through the pinned target as well
And it’s a fairly forgiving AOE
keen abyss
- kiriko enables rein pin by making him immune to cc and damage while pinning
silk kestrel
Idk I just feel like buffing the duration to 1.25-1.5 second immunity (I just checked it’s 1 second apparently), healing to 100, and maybe increasing the CD slightly makes it not just better overall but less a it x character
tropic herald
i think
silk kestrel
Idk I just feel like buffing the duration to 1.25-1.5 second immunity (I just ch...
Making the immunity include status effects is fine by me
Just cleaning is
tropic herald
doing some research
karmic charm
@keen abyss given u dislike spitfire very much, what do u think are their best chances to make a deepish run (like, top 6)
silk kestrel
Eeeeee
tropic herald
kiriko is meta
keen abyss
you’re just making it second immo
tropic herald
unfortunately
keen abyss
when it’s very different from immo rn
tropic herald
ur average player will suck ass
silk kestrel
kiriko is meta
Shocker
Give a high skill dummy high reward character
To high level players
karmic charm
kiriko is meta
are u sure? ppl on owl desk and like platchat have said she will be very niche
silk kestrel
=yes this character is meta
keen abyss
<@233040697563807755> given u dislike spitfire very much, what do u think are th...
shanghai has to go back to MM shanghai
tropic herald
are u sure? ppl on owl desk and like platchat have said she will be very niche
i am watching UV rn
keen abyss
spark and fusion have to flop
tropic herald
playing exclusively kiriko
keen abyss
Atlanta can’t have a big playoff run
keen abyss
backbone kiriko GOAT idk
silk kestrel
Idk I just feel like buffing the duration to 1.25-1.5 second immunity (I just ch...
Idk man I just think that this solution makes kiriko better for all levels of play high and low
silk kestrel
The burst healing and immunity having status effect immunity makes it so it’s still a skill shot against status effects
But not something you can simply cleanse after the fact
silk kestrel
Idk man I just think that this solution makes kiriko better for all levels of pl...
Like this isn’t just a oh dang she’s op at high level solution
It’s an oh dang she’s bad in a garbo players hands solutions and too good in a high level players hands solution.
tropic herald
oh shit is UV streaming kiriko gameplay
yea
im watching bc
i need to learn shit about this hero and uv shat on me before so im just assuming hes the goat
karmic charm
what are ppls preds for west playins
tropic herald
but in good news the playoffs meta is allegedly fun according to UV
tropic herald
what are ppls preds for west playins
prob mayhem and toronto
idk
mayhem feels the most likely
any other 3 could make it too
silk kestrel
Do you guys feel like rein fire strike should go back to 100 but keep 2?
tropic herald
no
karmic charm
no
next mesa
vindaim is a fuckin grinder
karmic charm
that would make rein bap so op
tropic herald
a lot of the shit tanks just need to have better mitigation and utility
or sombra to not be meta
thats all
silk kestrel
or sombra to not be meta
That’s fair
silk kestrel
or sombra to not be meta
Also this character is also why I think kiriko will tear a new hole in OWL
tropic herald
bc sombra kinda makes most tanks lives hell
silk kestrel
Truly
silk kestrel
Kiriko teleporting to Sombra
tropic herald
thats not live
silk kestrel
What fun
tropic herald
if ur curious its leaked already i think
karmic charm
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/872872257519775835/1032091231989280799/un...
if mayhem defiant make it out of west this would be
spitfire vs fusion
dragons vs spark
atlanta vs mayhem
houston vs defiant
silk kestrel
if ur curious its leaked already i think
0.25?
tropic herald
they sacked genji and zarya
karmic charm
if ur curious its leaked already i think
genji is worse than his dogshit days of ow1
silk kestrel
i think sombra is back to essentially pre buff
I feel like 0.25 is a bit much tbh
keen abyss
if ur curious its leaked already i think
most of the changes are good but idk what the fuck they were thinking with genji
next mesa
L change tbh
keen abyss
back to perma meta tracer let’s go !!!!!
willow drum
Nerf sojourn
tropic herald
most of the changes are good but idk what the fuck they were thinking with genji
genji being nerfed is fine but it would be nice if sojuorn was not untouched
karmic charm
genji pre 2020 buff was what, 27 ammo with 27 damage?
silk kestrel
hack bonus damage reduced 40 → 25%
Ow1 dmg - 8 per bullet
Ow2 dmg - 7 per bullet
7 dmg per bullet with a 25% hack bonus, is 8.75 dmg per bullet. Just slightly more than ow1
@tropic herald
cloud latch
wasnt it 21 shots
silk kestrel
That’s like
cloud latch
Idk I forget
cloud latch
prob right
karmic charm
oh genji was 28 damage and they buffed it to 30 in 2020
tropic herald
genji gutted, zarya gutted, sombra gutted, dva still alright
tropic herald
oh genji was 28 damage and they buffed it to 30 in 2020
also tightened the the spread of secondary
karmic charm
yeah
silk kestrel
I don’t understand how genji was the problem
karmic charm
so genji will now be worse than pre buff genji xd
tropic herald
i think genji nerf is a lil harsh but its not the end of the world its mostly the no sojourn changes that is wild
silk kestrel
He was fine and had plenty of counter play
willow drum
i think genji nerf is a lil harsh but its not the end of the world its mostly th...
I love a tracer sojourn meta
tropic herald
so genji will now be worse than pre buff genji xd
nah
willow drum
Are these in time for playoffs
tropic herald
Are these in time for playoffs
yah
its that patch
to live
and thats playoffs patch
silk kestrel
@tropic herald tbh I think zarya is fine
tropic herald
HUH
silk kestrel
But sombra and genji are kinda
tropic herald
live zarya ?
silk kestrel
Omega gutted
tropic herald
or patch
silk kestrel
I would have suggested a more nuanced solution to the actual problem
silk kestrel
Having been a zarya main for 6 years
tropic herald
to 4 seconds max
static pond
Zarya is not fine
silk kestrel
I’ve said this before but: give zarya 4 bubbles with 200 hp each with less up time duration like 1 second. However each bubble gives 20 charge. The cd will be less. 2 bubbles for allies and 2 for self
tropic herald
no
willow drum
So tracer sojourn meta for playoffs
karmic charm
lmao genji was so broken when they buffed him in 2020 that it was literally 14 days later they nerfed him back
static pond
Able to output high damage while being a tankle af
silk kestrel
I’ve said this before but: give zarya 4 bubbles with 200 hp each with less up ti...
More emphasis on tanking, less charge, more peel, more micromanagement
tropic herald
the bubble itself is the reason zarya is played
current bubble is far too good
so adding more just makes it worse
karmic charm
wasnt it 21 shots
just checked it was 24, increased to 30 in 2019
silk kestrel
My version of bubble is more so based around burst damage @tropic herald
And micromanagement
Maybe 1.5 seconds
tropic herald
yeah but having 4 bubbles
is just
too strong
too much uptime
thats 6 seconds of uptime
with higher health
than live
silk kestrel
yeah but having 4 bubbles
Not really
Normal bubble is 2.5 seconds
My suggestion is 1 second
Maybe 1.5
But definelty 1
4 bubbles
20 charge each
200 hp each
cunning patrol
Zarya is so op
fathom igloo
Stop trying to make tanks OP
silk kestrel
2 Allied and 2 self
earnest leaf
Doom is ass rn
cloud latch
doom is hot garbage
tropic herald
current zarya has 400 hp between bubbles or max uptime of 5 seconds, your suggestion has max hp of 800 hp and 4 or 6 seconds of up time max depending on ur implementation
cloud latch
lets make it stay like that
silk kestrel
current zarya has 400 hp between bubbles or max uptime of 5 seconds, your sugges...
The key thing is the reality of less charge per bubble
fathom igloo
This man doesn't understand the game and thinks all tanks need to be OP
tropic herald
20 per bubble
silk kestrel
Yep
tropic herald
but 4 bubbles
silk kestrel
That’s key
tropic herald
is the exact same as now
silk kestrel
But CD
silk kestrel
oh so ur chainging cd
It’s about 6 probably
Maybe keep 8
Considering one self one ally up in 8
It’s more micromanagement in maintaining charge
More emphasis on burst damage
More micromanagement
silk kestrel
GOES DOWN?
Slightly to compensate for low up time and lower charge per bubble
Yes
1 second vs 2.5
And 20 charge vs 40
Per bubble
tropic herald
the up time and charge is higher in ur implementation than live...
sly lagoon
Babu for balance team.
tropic herald
and ur buffing the cooldown
silk kestrel
the up time and charge is higher in ur implementation than live...
No it’s not
sly lagoon
In all seriousness, your idea is a buff
silk kestrel
The up time per bubble is 1 second. In total all 4 bubbles is 4 seconds
sly lagoon
It's not that
tropic herald
4 seconds is the only nerf
sly lagoon
You still allow the zarya to decide way more when to bubble
silk kestrel
Atop this the 20 charge per bubble
tropic herald
assuming that its 4 seconds and not ur other suggestion of 6 seconds
sly lagoon
And you allow zarya to micromanage her energy way better
karmic charm
but 2 bubbles of 20 charge is still 40 charge, with a 6s cd each rather than 8s? the only nerf would be the time being slightly less
sly lagoon
its bit of a buff even that you get less energy but have more bubbles, allows more for micromanaging and keeping ur energy at 100% all the time
atm if you use bubble at 80, it can be bit of a throw
karmic charm
if u make bubbles 20 charge half the hp too
silk kestrel
atm if you use bubble at 80, it can be bit of a throw
Here’s the thing
You need to use Allies
You are not getting to 80 with sheer self bubble
Not in a million years
sly lagoon
That's even better
You bubble your tracer AND genji
and push yourself with a bubble
silk kestrel
But it’s 1 second
sly lagoon
1 second is a long time
silk kestrel
You must time the burst damage precisely
If you don’t say goodbye to charge
And your Allies died
silk kestrel
Ik
tropic herald
suzu splash is under 1 second and it is still a strong ability..
sly lagoon
For one second the enemys need to allow them to be shot
silk kestrel
suzu splash is under 1 second and it is still a strong ability..
Yes but is her entire character just that
sly lagoon
that's insanely op
silk kestrel
No she has a teleport and healing and headshot damage
sly lagoon
no your zarya idea is insanely op
tropic herald
its been like
silk kestrel
Idk I feel like it demands more micromanagement to gain value
cloud latch
imagine nano blading a 4 bubble zarya lol
tropic herald
i mean thats what zarya is like already do its not the end of the world
silk kestrel
Like it’s 2 ally bubbles
And 2 self
No sharing
Cooldowns are separated as well
I think I made that quite clear since you should not be allowed to gain 80 charge from self bubble
That is
karmic charm
silk kestrel
Dumb
And goes against everything zarya is
Imo
So what do we do?
We facilitate more micromanagement and burst damage potential tanking
Which mind you
Is actively keeping your cross hair away from enemies more consistently to bubble Allies
sly lagoon
I mean the leaked change seems fine
silk kestrel
It’s fine
But you can still self bubble twice and get 80 charge
Very quickly
Not solving the core issue at all
cloud latch
I mean
karmic charm
what was leaked for zarya
sly lagoon
that's 11 seconds for enemys to make a play
cloud latch
if zarya bubbles twice
sly lagoon
sly lagoon
good players will count your bubbles
silk kestrel
Sure it’s dumb
cloud latch
what if enemies engage
karmic charm
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/817883524333961266/1032084442287702016/un...
are playoffs on this patch?
sly lagoon
are playoffs on this patch?
dunno
silk kestrel
"man, she used bubbles"
Man she has 80 charge and a team behind her
tropic herald
are playoffs on this patch?
allegedly
silk kestrel
Maybe we shouldn’t dive immediately
sly lagoon
and zero bubbles
karmic charm
reing rush comes back gg ez for spitfire
sly lagoon
You won't wait her to be 70 charge and one bubble
cloud latch
zero bubble zarya should just die
sly lagoon
That makes zero sense
static pond
Do people not realize those 11 seconds could be important lol
silk kestrel
You won't wait her to be 70 charge and one bubble
That’s fair ig
sly lagoon
rank 79 in eu is brig only player
static pond
Then zarya also can just walk past your tanks
tropic herald
for what value she brings
karmic charm
bring back brig stun
silk kestrel
Idk I just feel like micromanagement was key to zarya in OW1. The shorter bubble duration and micromanagement of self and allied bubbles desperately felt more core to her character.
sly lagoon
emp have u seen what top500 icon looks like
silk kestrel
But that’s just me
sly lagoon
yeah
placid cypress
Dude zarya is broken from my experience with her
silk kestrel
The nerf done I suppose is fine
cloud latch
doesnt it look like masters
tropic herald
the physical icons are fin
placid cypress
Da babu who got nerfed
silk kestrel
Da babu who got nerfed
Catboy posted it above
tropic herald
yeah i know
sly lagoon
since you will see your rank change every game :D
sly lagoon
I still need to learn sojourn
tropic herald
still pos win rate
silk kestrel
if ur curious its leaked already i think
Here @placid cypress
sly lagoon
karmic charm
damn xcm insane
tropic herald
use slow orb to make chokes un able to retreat for
silk kestrel
The sombra nerf feels weird imo
karmic charm
icl i tried swapping sojourn left and right and i couldnt get used to it
silk kestrel
I would much rather them revert the hack duration to OW1 and her smg to 8 damage at that point
tropic herald
ur ult is just free real estate :)
sly lagoon
im up to play rn emp if u want