maybe i need to move seoul down
#esports-discussion
keen abyss
because they are starting profit
but also like they're seoul
besides that one match they've been dominant
hot onyx
4 support players, surely one of them will be a top kiriko
split flume
i like the optimism
keen abyss
ok i have the 'teams that are worse than half the league but will randomly beat/go extremely close with the top seed because why not' tier
karmic charm
id be inclined to put spark 17th/18th icl
keen abyss
god
split flume
how did they beat seoul 💀
keen abyss
HOW DO YOU RATE THIS TEAM
THEY ALMOST FULL SWEEP SEOUL WHO HAVE DOMINATED EVERY OTHER TEAM IN THE REGION
karmic charm
a fluke
keen abyss
THEN THEY LOOK LIKE PARIS AGAINST GUANGZHOU
hot onyx
just huff copium and claim Seoul sandbagged
karmic charm
it was a fluke, it was 1 game out of 10 losses
hot onyx
since it was a match that did not matter as they already claimed the top seed
karmic charm
an unlikely chance occurrence, especially a surprising piece of luck.
definition of a fluke
split flume
since it was a match that did not matter as they already claimed the top seed
prepping for kiriko meta 
keen abyss
yeah fuck it im dropping it
hot onyx
that’s the spirit
karmic charm
yeah fuck it im dropping it
????? london 18th??
keen abyss
????? london 18th??
19th
split flume
my man just put new york over chengdu
keen abyss
they dropped a map to paris 😭
hot onyx
I have Boston in the “random fluke” tier
karmic charm
they dropped a map to paris 😭
titans dropped 2 to paris
split flume
wow they almost beat the los angeles midiators that's crazy
keen abyss
my man just put new york over chengdu
karmic charm
nye also dropped a map to paris
keen abyss
nyxl will randomly take the best team in the world to their limit
i'm scared of those mfs
if a team takes my #1 global team
THAT close
i cant put them in london tier
karmic charm
wait why do u have glads first 💀
keen abyss
glads by far have the best roster in the league
if we're going into completely uncharted meta they should be the #1 team to look out for
if you exclude those 2 weeks of summer showdown glads are 24-1 after week 3
(2 matches where they still looked extremely dominant for a large portion)
Image
if it wasn't for those 2 reverse sweeps
glads would have dropped ONE SET outside of those summer showdown matches
and that was in a tournament where they beat that same exact team a day later in dominant fashion
glads literally
had 2 bad weeks
and everyone has suddenly forgotten about
kickoff clash 4-0 over fuel
their midseason madness run
they fact that they still looked really strong in the last 2 weeks of SS
and would've been at least top 3 in that tourney
probably wouldve made grands over shock
and they're 6-0 in the current stage
karmic charm
okay so lets use that example of glads only had 2 bad weeks, then shock has only had 2/3 bad weeks and u have them 7th
keen abyss
okay so lets use that example of glads only had 2 bad weeks, then shock has only...
glads 2 bad weeks
were at the very beginning of last stage which is a completely different game
from the one we're playing
they had 2 weeks where they were a bit confused over the only available comp at the time
and had to play against the 4 best teams in the west
back to back to back to back
then after a small break looked like that was all behind them
karmic charm
houston and toronto top 4??
keen abyss
the atlanta and paris (i get it paris is not a good measure) games were very decisive
karmic charm
both those teams lost to london convincingly
keen abyss
toronto is bad against london
london just counters how toronto plays
using toronto to measure a team's strength
is not reliable
because they are shit imo
like they will be good and then randomly lose to the same shit team
over and over again
karmic charm
using florida to measure a teams strength is also not reliable
u used their 2 losses to london as a reason tho
keen abyss
u used their 2 losses to london as a reason tho
i said toronto was good in SS
and just randomly shit against london
because overall they are not a good team
wait did glads have ans in
in the houston game
yeah that explains it 💀 💀
split flume
toronto is a good, honest .500 owl team
keen abyss
ans was not good in joats
split flume
they play .500 overwatch goddamnit
keen abyss
but houston did just beat
shock and dallas
so i have to give them top 5
honestly SS houston is weird
like how do glads almost beat dallas week 1
of SS
(they would have won if they did not play shujourn)
and then lose to houston
who proceeds to lose to nyxl and london shitfire
anyways i have utterly no faith in london as a team
and i believe their luck
has run out
as the other teams are less shit now
so they are not going to get away with as much as they did early on
karmic charm
i still dont get how u can put titans above them
keen abyss
if they can beat nyxl
go 3-2 with shock
i will raise them ujp
ok wait i didnt see this i assumed you were referring to smth like stage 2 or 3
this happened last weekend wtf 😭
keen abyss
ok for some reason i thought vancouver was not absolute garbage dogshit this stage
the only matches i caught glimpses of
were glads vs vancouver
and toronto vs vancouver
and they looked good vs toronto
but toronto is a mickey mouse team so who the fuck knows
hot onyx
so they are not going to get away with as much as they did early on
they will still rinse Reign
karmic charm
Toronto the spark of na?
keen abyss
keen abyss
Toronto the spark of na?
do not insult spark
spark beat the second best team in the world
toronto beat shock
karmic charm
spark is 2-10
hot onyx
Holy Boston overrating
keen abyss
yeah but spark will randomly narrowly win their play in matches
then get top 5 in playoffs
because 2/3 of shy pineapple and alphayi
will go on a fucking tear
for no good reason
karmic charm
I'd rather have valiant in playins than spark tbh
keen abyss
spark is an actually interesting team
boston and valiant are very uninteresting
like
this isnt bad??
karmic charm
if London and Toronto end on same points who finishes above ??
keen abyss
beating houston and sweeping florida
toronto
because toronto beat shock
and london are going to lose to shock
karmic charm
no I mean in standings
keen abyss
*assuming they are tied on map diff
karmic charm
like who gets 6th
keen abyss
no I mean in standings
that's how they settle map diff
if teams have the same points
and same map diff
they use that as a tiebreaker
they look at the teams they both fought in the prior stage
and if one team won against that team and the other lost
they use that as an identifier
karmic charm
it's not possible for Toronto and London to get same points and map diff
keen abyss
then whoever has better map diff
keen abyss
@hot onyx where do i move boston
they look
even with justice rn
and they swept mayhem
karmic charm
how have mayhems past games been
keen abyss
shit
hot onyx
move them below Justice minimum
karmic charm
then I'd say Boston either stays or goes below justicd
balmy wolf
wheres the looking for players chat
keen abyss
mayhem played well against atlanta and glads
hot onyx
I am tempted to put both Boston and Mayhem in the Fusion Spark tier
karmic charm
wheres the looking for players chat
get lfg role #roles-old
keen abyss
but played really close to vancouver and lost to boston so idk
balmy wolf
get lfg role <#967730852861730827>
thanks \
karmic charm
I still do not understand how ur rating spark 13th over a fluke vs seoul
keen abyss
because i have faith
in shy pineapple
and alphayi
i believe with a dps line like that
they have explosive upset potential
none of these teams
besides chengdu
have that potential
hot onyx
I believe that Fusion as a whole has looked good enough to carry their shit support line above Boston
karmic charm
if we don't count the seoul fluke spark are literally 1-10 in 2nd half of season
hot onyx
especially with Carpe not being washed
karmic charm
seoul put profit on ana tho so
keen abyss
hold on let me fix this
done!
hangzhou and fusion are the same team
but hangzhou has a statistically higher chance of having a not shit kiriko
and they beat seoul
keen abyss
seoul put profit on ana tho so
if profit starts on any role i'm kicking them out of that fucking glads fuel tier break
karmic charm
u rly dont like profit huh
karmic charm
it was a fluke 😭
keen abyss
BECAUSE OF PROFIT
HE WAS SO BAD
and it proves
that spark is capable
of big wins
who the fuck do i put above spark
karmic charm
okay but was it worse than profits pulse bomb vs boston in s1 when he just threw it at a wall
keen abyss
i can put chengdu philly above spark
put spark did the same shit nyxl did
but actually succeeded
(tbf nyxl was against a better team that didnt have a shitter like profit but!)
karmic charm
london and titans arent 2-10 in 2nd half of season
karmic charm
sparks win was a fluke
keen abyss
spark won
and took glads to map 5 at their peak
half of london's wins
against mid teams
are flukes
karmic charm
its not a fluke if ur consistently doing it
keen abyss
show me a match where london isnt dogshit against shock dallas or glads
the teams that london could beat have stepped up
and the teams that london have beaten
i have moved below london
london cant force rein rush
they dont have an identity
karmic charm
london has took a map off dallas at their best, shock at their best and glads in kc
sure they didnt win
but atleast theyre consistently beating teams below them
spark isnt even doing that
karmic charm
and lost to charge valiant philly chengdu
keen abyss
spark has actual achievements this year
spark's upset potential alone
puts them above london
karmic charm
spark took peak glads to a close map 5
they lost to philly in this tournament too
keen abyss
who have been the epitome of a gatekeeper team
i forgot to post my update
honestly fuck it im getting rid of a tier break
shy alphayi pineapple
has 1000% more potential
karmic charm
since their win vs seoul in kc spark are 2-12, in no way can u put them above 15th, because that is embarrassing for a team who was 11-5 before that
keen abyss
than backbone sparkr shax
and becky innovation diya
and heesu finale although
and aspire k1ng
yaki flora is the only dps line that i put below spark
that i can see actually having a strong run
i just think every team below nyxl
does not have enough potential from their dps to be a serious threat
that is the difference between my top 15 and my bottom 5
karmic charm
spark is comfortably the worst team in apac and has been for 2 stages the fact ur putting them so high over a fluke 3-2 that they almost got reverse swept in is a bit of a joke
keen abyss
reliable dps
keen abyss
spark is comfortably the worst team in apac and has been for 2 stages the fact u...
they have actual potential
unlike 5/6 of the joke teams below them
london's most notable wins have been against houston atlanta toronto
karmic charm
london wouldnt be 6th in standings if they didnt have potential
keen abyss
teams that have consistently randomly dropped maps to bottom teams
keen abyss
london wouldnt be 6th in standings if they didnt have potential
they shitstomped bad teams
in the first 2 stages
karmic charm
spark got shitstomped by bad teams in ss and cc
keen abyss
and randomly got wins on toronto atlanta and houston
the difference is that
as much as spark has lost to bad teams
they have proven that they CAN show up against the elite teams
something that london has consistently failed to do
karmic charm
its all well and good them having potential but if their only way to showcase potential is a fluke 3-2 they just arent good
keen abyss
a fluke 3-2!
surely the team that has been absolutely dominant over apac
almost getting 3-0'd
is just a fluke
they randomly almost got 3-0'd by a team that doesnt drop sets to anyone
it'd be like vancouver randomly beating glads
karmic charm
a fluke 3-2 doesnt make up for losing to hunters philly valiant charge who are flip flop at best
keen abyss
that can't happen because their team just does not have that potential
keen abyss
a fluke 3-2 doesnt make up for losing to hunters philly valiant charge who are f...
3/4 of those teams
i have rated above spark
spark on any given day could randomly beat one of these teams
karmic charm
in the first half of the season sure
keen abyss
london could snag a win on these teams
honestly maybe not
maybe these teams
spark has too much talent for me to count them out
karmic charm
london could definetly snag a win vs shock this week if shock play like they did vs reign
keen abyss
london does not have nearly enough talent
to make a big dent
the literal difference between these 2 tiers
is talent diff
wait how the fuck is kalios assassin krillin opener above half the league
karmic charm
id say atleast put london above toronto, youve said urself that london just counters them
keen abyss
ch0r0ng twilight
muze
heesu
i am not putting ch0r0ng twilight below fucking landon admiral
karmic charm
and yet they lost to london
hot onyx
wait how the fuck is kalios assassin krillin opener above half the league
how the fuck is Victoria Valentine MCD Crimzo above half the league?
keen abyss
how the fuck is Victoria Valentine MCD Crimzo above half the league?
yeahh
idk either
hot onyx
mickey mouse is how
keen abyss
they are the teams that should get talent gapped
but just dont somehow
unlike london valiant vancouver paris who are just getting talent gapped
toronto is getting fdps gapped by the whole league
hot onyx
Boston proceeded to shit the bed less by releasing their fraudulent tracer otp and coach
keen abyss
punk role star
karmic charm
london just counters how toronto plays
"london counters toronto"
keen abyss
i would pred toronto over london in any other matchup
but in specifically toronto vs london
i would pred london
karmic charm
so how can u put toronto above london if u would pred london to beat them
keen abyss
because if you were to ask me who was more likely to beat like
shock
justice
atlanta
signal pine
Thoughts on echo?
keen abyss
etc
between london and toronto
i would say toronto
bastion beats winston 100% of the time in 1v1s
is bastion a better hero than winston?
signal pine
why is echo that low? Doesn't she have a really high skill ceiling?
keen abyss
in pro play hitscans are really good
karmic charm
other heros are just better
karmic charm
in pro play hitscans are really good
and this ^
keen abyss
echo was really good in high sustain double tank comps
OR with a m*rcy pocket
both of which either don't exist or aren't as viable
- 300 hp dupe limit makes duping tanks less impactful
it's like the opposite of ow1
echo invalidated genji in ow1
but genji invalidates echo in ow2
every situation where you'd run genji in ow1 echo would be better
but almsot every situation where you'd run echo in ow2 genji would be better
she's not bad she's just outclassed by genji
signal pine
well that kinda sucks I was looking forward to spraying down squishies
keen abyss
play her
she's still a fine hero
this is esports discussion
we're talking about heros at the highest level of play
against the best players in the world
karmic charm
in owl anyone who flies will generally not be meta if a hitscan is meta
signal pine
in ranked play?
karmic charm
in ranked echo can be a menace if ur good at her
keen abyss
if you're a good echo you will probably do fine
unless you're playing into double hitscan or a pocketed hitscan
without a pocket of your own
karmic charm
or a genji of similar skill level
signal pine
well at that point I'll just switcu
keen abyss
my faith will be restored in london
when they get another notable win
vancouver and paris are not notable wins
and i dont think nyxl is that notable either
they're not a very good team they just have massive upset potential
karmic charm
if london loses to nyxl i will agree w what ur saying about them
keen abyss
and i like teams that have massive upset potential
i prefer them to teams that are consistently ok
yaki dragging nyxl to a tooth and nail 2-3 against glads
carries more weight than london beating toronto for the 3rd time
to me
karmic charm
honestly if london was slightly more clutch their series vs fuel and glads wouldve been 1-3/2-3 , the glads one they may have even won
they just choke in ot
keen abyss
philly hangzhou and nyxl are the same team
they will lose games to bottom level teams
over and over again
but you know in the back of your head
if mn3 and zest
if yaki and flora
if alphayi and shy
wake up on the right side of the bed
glads seoul and dallas will have to fight for their lives
to ward them off
london toronto valiant titans
do not have that potential
even if they look like the better team a lot of the time
karmic charm
thats probably where we differ then, bc i prefer consistency over a one off win every now and then
keen abyss
i would too
if we weren't heading into playoffs
regular season is over
when it comes to looking at the bottom half of the league
im done looking at 'will they be able to beat bottom level teams consistently'
im looking at 'what could they do against the big shots'
i could see any of these teams randomly pushing a top 3 team to their limits
besides boston ig
split flume
seoul will win because smurf will ask nicely and everyone will be like "okay smurf you can win :)" because smurf is so wholesome and nice and everyone loves him
keen abyss
boston just potentially gatekeeps every team below top 3 tbh
karmic charm
yeah but one off wins wont get u far in playoffs, when its consistency i think that can get u further
when a team wins vs teams below them and then against top teams they lose in 1-3s and even 0-3s that have been close, they need to improve less than a team who consistently loses vs everyone but will one off beat a good team, theres clearly a lot more u need to work on
keen abyss
seoul will win because smurf will ask nicely and everyone will be like "okay smu...
reiner negates this
with his sigma male grindset
leading to glads 4-2 seoul
in the grand finals
split flume
🧐
keen abyss
reiner will scream FUCK YOU SMURF
split flume
and that is why reiner is dogshit
keen abyss
and have the best game of his life
split flume
smurf is an angel sent from heaven
keen abyss
shu > hanbin > kevster > lip > propah > smurf
then like zest pelican danteh
then maybe kai or hawk
karmic charm
honeslty i can see why hadi got a nomination even if others shouldve got it more
keen abyss
like he was good just not mvp good
you could put muze on spitfire
same results
besides language barrier n stuff
idk how fluent muze is
karmic charm
if london didnt have hadi tho they would be considerably worse imo
keen abyss
not
really
put any okay rein in the league on london
if they jive well with the team
same results
imo
i dont think
hadi is the carry of london
it is christfer
like the team
is a bunch of below average players
working as one unit
karmic charm
hadi isnt the carry but i think his leadership in game definetly is very important
is chris in the thing for coty?
in the running
keen abyss
if chris doesnt win coty
the whole system is a scam
that man deserves it
proper roty and chris coty are the only 2 clear cut awards
imo
hot onyx
proper roty and chris coty are the only 2 clear cut awards
Proper ROTY is not clear cut
karmic charm
copium
keen abyss
Proper ROTY is not clear cut
shut the fuck up
zest is not even close to proper
in roty running
proper is a tier above zest
hot onyx
they are both in the same tier
hot onyx
and ZEST has to carry more
karmic charm
isnt proper like top 2 in almost every stat
hot onyx
with ShitXa and Aimgod
keen abyss
you know i am a big anti-proper propagandist
hot onyx
taking up roster slots
full lichen
I think Hadi will win
karmic charm
honeslty i think the desk is gonna give proper mvp and roty
karmic charm
I think Hadi will win
based
keen abyss
honeslty i think the desk is gonna give proper mvp and roty
cringe sadly
proper
does not deserve mvp
he has been good
but he has choked
so hard
full lichen
does not deserve mvp
Agreed
hot onyx
Hanbin or a Glads representative should be MVP but the world is unjust so idk
keen abyss
whiffs 3 opportunities
to win shock the map
2/3 he gets slept and eliminated
by the real mvp frontrunner
shusus christ
keen abyss
Hanbin or a Glads representative should be MVP but the world is unjust so idk
agreed!
proper didnt only choke the one play he needed to make to win the map 3 times in a row
on ilios
karmic charm
rakattack mvp fr
keen abyss
here is a whiff on eichenwalde
that cost his team at least the chance of full capping
here is shu winning glads the fight by killing propa
taking away from shock's time bank
full lichen
rakattack mvp fr
Rakattack and LukeMino are actually solid players on a shit team
keen abyss
leading to glads being able to win dorado
karmic charm
Rakattack and LukeMino are actually solid players on a shit team
i havent seen any paris games i just looked at their roster and picked a random player
keen abyss
bc shock didnt have that extra time to push that cart slightly further
leading to the
dorado incident 
full lichen
i havent seen any paris games i just looked at their roster and picked a random ...
I watched contenders, so I knew they were going to be good
keen abyss
wait but on dorado
propa get this pick
on reiner
opening up this fight for shock
to easily win the 5v4
hot onyx
pulse bomb stick on the largest target in the game
karmic charm
why is violet on highground alone as brig
hot onyx
big!
keen abyss
surely proper doesnt
instantly die
completing losing all his carry potential
and neutralizing the value of his pick
costing his team the series!
surely proper can just
wait for a few seconds
hot onyx
zest wouldn’t die there
keen abyss
for mikey to slam skewed or shu
instead of holding w around the corner
and getting his head ripped off by skewed
full lichen
Ngl, Windaim Roty
hot onyx
similar results with a weaker team
keen abyss
instead of blinking over it
when glads were 2 meters from capping
also should i mention gibraltar
hot onyx
honestly in that scenario i would’ve one clipped Skewed
keen abyss
where proper did fucking air
karmic charm
honestly in that scenario i would’ve one clipped Skewed
zest wouldve too fr
keen abyss
i think
proper being absolutely unable to clutch at all
in tournaments
eliminates his mvp chances
karmic charm
who are the other rookies in contention
hot onyx
zest wouldve too fr
I still have yet to see Shock beat Spark this season
keen abyss
who are the other rookies in contention
reiner zest mostly
full lichen
who are the other rookies in contention
I would consider Vindaim in the discussion too
full lichen
Vindaim has shown flexibility and he is actually a very skilled support player
keen abyss
chiyo vindaim proper zest reiner
roty candidates
i wouldve mentioned alphayi if it wasnt for the uh
2-10
ok but like i find it very funny
how i can systematically locate so many things that happened
in MM grand finals
that wouldve lead to shock beating glads
all on proper's back
and his choking causing them to lose
not my mvp!
shuGOAT clears
uncut drum
chiyo vindaim proper zest reiner
maybe STALK3R
sullen berry
zest roty
Mikeyy really had a shot at contesting if he just rolled the other way towards payload
Viol2t had line of sight after the slam, looks like Mikeyy wasn't comfortable with that and went "okay, stall the payload for me while get mega"
hot onyx
tbf i wouldn’t be comfortable with relying on Viol2t ana for healing either
outer frigate
@digital hinge
cunning patrol
tbf i wouldn’t be comfortable with relying on Viol2t ana for healing either
He was great on Ana
uncut drum
Twitter
hot onyx
ffs https://twitter.com/IGN/status/1580570834443571200
W!
my favourite company is going for the lawsuit wr
hope they beat nintendo soon!
keen abyss
its playoff rankings
yes exactly their team is too shit to make a deep playoffs run
buoyant jacinth
London so good they got first rounded every time they hit a tourney
vagrant jacinth
Wtf blizz
worn falcon
static pond
deft wolf
ffs https://twitter.com/IGN/status/1580570834443571200
Again? Jeez
twin bloom
London so good they got first rounded every time they hit a tourney
They usually win one game against the 3rd place team before that tho
deft wolf
didnt london go 5-1 in midseaon madness?
karmic charm
They usually win one game against the 3rd place team before that tho
and hten have a relatively close series vs the 1st seed
and then choke vs mayhem on gibraltr and colesseo
earnest leaf
Actually true
uncut drum
am i stupid cause i cant pred the east playins
lost thicket
BREAKING: Abscesses fucking HURT
I yelled like a bitch ngl
also I am a Millionaire
in venezuela, sold my old phone to my uncle for 20 dolares
cloud latch
💀
lost thicket
aka 165 Million bolivars
earnest leaf
am i stupid cause i cant pred the east playins
East games are over
No more until play-ins
I think
uncut drum
East games are over
yeah but i cant pred the playins
you could last time
or am i miss remembering
buoyant jacinth
that was kill0
rage swapping
after being killed by ans 3 times in a row
proper did nothing wrong
cunning patrol
proper did nothing wrong
He did
dusky kettle
hey guys, is plat 4 a good rank considering i only have 30 hours on OW?
fervent rapids
actually, I’m a professional graphic designer, I do custom graphics and animations at fair prices .Would you like to see some of my work?Dm me .
balmy wolf
Hahhah
next mesa
weird guy lol
mental sable
GetQuakedOn#2112
fathom igloo
?
minor fog
Can someone help me and tell me when kiriko can be played in ranked??
karmic charm
oct 18 afaik
balmy wolf
Can someone help me and tell me when kiriko can be played in ranked??
They'll probably need to run her through a patch or few more to balance her out, then she'll be in
minor fog
Okay
balmy wolf
To be fair, she's pretty balanced in my eyes, maybe she needs some number tweaks
But she's not a brain-dead champion, that's certain
minor fog
As a kiriko main I do feel that the protection need a tweak
And the teleport need to be put to 10
balmy wolf
Kiriko main after a week, eh?
minor fog
I love everything about her
balmy wolf
You do you, bud
balmy wolf
Would love to see you go against Jin-seo Kim then
balmy wolf
To be fair, console has it's limitations
minor fog
100% but I don’t mind I don’t care about what’s better whatever you enjoy
balmy wolf
It's good you have that mindset
minor fog
I always have
keen abyss
Would love to see you go against Jin-seo Kim then
actual GOAT
balmy wolf
actual GOAT
Truely
lost thicket
if MVP is not proper nor hanbin who would you give it to?
willow drum
Lip
karmic charm
welp kiriko wont be useful with zen anymore
balmy wolf
yes
lost thicket
welp kiriko wont be useful with zen anymore
it was a bug that caused zen to get more ASP right?
that they fixed
or did they remove it totally
karmic charm
i dont know, the patchnotes says "no longer recieves extra attack speed"
tropic herald
It was that
Zen was going too fast for the ult buff
So now it’s just the normal ult buff
plush grail
@tropic herald
tropic herald
What
uncut drum
if MVP is not proper nor hanbin who would you give it to?
Smurf
buoyant jacinth
shu clears #real
hot onyx
<@303883009667629058>
earnest leaf
if MVP is not proper nor hanbin who would you give it to?
smurf
He's one of like maybe 5 or so people who can competently play every hero in their role
plush grail
no
twin bloom
He's one of like maybe 5 or so people who can competently play every hero in the...
His dva and sigma would get gapped by every ot besides krawi and adam
lost thicket
Zen was going too fast for the ult buff
pretty sure yeah
limpid grail
it was noticeable
nocturne halo
Why is there no kbm support on console when all direct competitors have it?
limpid grail
which is funny because content creators literally had footage of it at the summit
or at least when the embargo dropped there were vids of zen doing that crap
fathom igloo
I am American hanbin
fathom igloo
Ok besides that
willow drum
How is your widow outdamage you
fathom igloo
Cause she got two HS on our attack right out of the go
willow drum
not a good excuse
zarya sshould never be outdamaged by a widow
provided they are the same rank
wispy rampart
anyone know how long merge queue is
willow drum
quasi umbra
https://twitter.com/fuckitseominsoo/status/1580609946105749504
that image is so true
lost thicket
""Proper: I used to watch Striker's stream to improve at Tracer."
When he was younger, the current best Tracer in the world, Proper, idolised the Greatest Tracer of all Time, Striker, and now, having finally surpassed him, they're together on the same team, the SF Shock, a team they've each lead to success during 2 separate eras of Overwatch.
Idk if it's because I'm weirdly emotionally invested in OWL (and Eastern Contenders) History because I grew up with it, but there's something quite poetic about it all :)"
warm vale
pine the best widomaker ever
keen abyss
if MVP is not proper nor hanbin who would you give it to?
proper isn’t even top 4
keen abyss
proper will occasionally get shock to the grand finals then he will do nothing in grands
keen abyss
kevster and shu not getting mvp despite both being more deserving than pr*per
twin bloom
Proper is more deserving
keen abyss
just because they’re both on the same team
twin bloom
Both are equally good
willow drum
Lmao holy cope
keen abyss
is going to be very disappointing
willow drum
is going to be very disappointing
i do not know why
twin bloom
While kevster has an MVP level backline
keen abyss
diya season one mvp
willow drum
okay who is above him
willow drum
for you to have him 5th
lost thicket
Shu hanbin kevster and lip
KEKW nah
twin bloom
shu fielder
Uv and vigilantee
Both
They are getting
Insane hype
Espec
Vigilantee
keen abyss
sad to see the most talented players being robbed of the best individual player award just because they have another teammate that isn’t mid
lost thicket
UV is not better then viol2t or finn on fs imo
twin bloom
UV is not better then viol2t or finn on fs imo
Uv>violt
twin bloom
And Uv=finn
willow drum
vigilante did not even look
better in krc
when he had the goat heesang
on his team
lost thicket
on the fs they are comparable and obvi viol2ts a better ms imo, finn has also been better then vigilante
twin bloom
on the fs they are comparable and obvi viol2ts a better ms imo, finn has also b...
ATLs overall backline
willow drum
off their 1 tricks
twin bloom
they are not
UV and Vigilante can gap finn viol2t on FS
lost thicket
ATLs overall backline
maybe for roundedness yes but individual talent not so much imo
twin bloom
they are not "far better"
Ok
lost thicket
UV and Vigilante can gap finn viol2t on FS
but finn n viol2t both can gap uv n vig
twin bloom
glads > titans
Ok
twin bloom
but finn n viol2t both can gap uv n vig
The gap is not that big
lost thicket
The gap is not that big
both are around same tier I think
willow drum
on roles
keen abyss
but finn n viol2t both can gap uv n vig
stop overrating viol2t imo
lost thicket
same for ojee/viol2t lucio
lost thicket
stop overrating viol2t imo
I am properly rating him imo
keen abyss
imo mvps should be able to consistently make plays in the important matches
lost thicket
imo mvps should be able to consistently make plays in the important matches
proper has not had a bad game
cunning patrol
Disagree @twin bloom
twin bloom
Disagree <@549789307985199105>
On what
lost thicket
just team diff sometimes imo
keen abyss
Atlanta has a top 2 double fs backline
twin bloom
Ok but it is still more impressive
For proper
That he is equal with kev
On a worse team
keen abyss
proper has not had a bad game
most of midseason madness grand finals
willow drum
On a worse team
on his 1st year
keen abyss
he was fucking up important plays and costing his team maps
lost thicket
most of midseason madness grand finals
he diffed kev on tracer imo
keen abyss
like once
lost thicket
the diff for kev came in genji and ans being a god
keen abyss
he killed kevster in the neutral fight a few times
lost thicket
so more team diff
keen abyss
on tracer
cunning patrol
What is happening
lost thicket
plus mikeyy just fucking up
keen abyss
then proceeded to whiff every pulse on shu
lost thicket
not propers fault imo
keen abyss
while kev landed all his pulses on viol2t
willow drum
while kev landed all his pulses on viol2t
source?
twin bloom
What is happening
I said proper deserves mvp more than kevster because he looks equal on a worse team
cunning patrol
Lip is better than both kevster and proper easily
willow drum
kevster does not land pulses
twin bloom
Which is when i called shocks backline
willow drum
Lip is better than both kevster and proper easily
lip has been robbed
willow drum
for several
twin bloom
And ATL
cunning patrol
Lip will never win mvp
twin bloom
@cunning patrol shock or ATLS backline
keen abyss
where proper whiffed both pulses and kevster landed both
twin bloom
Real
topaz hawk
Vigilante unironically goat flex support
cunning patrol
Anyways
willow drum
where proper whiffed both pulses and kevster landed both
odd because kevster
is not good at landing pulses
cunning patrol
Depends
keen abyss
he did land them
twin bloom
Who knows
cunning patrol
is not good at landing pulses
On the day
keen abyss
in the important match
cunning patrol
Imo
keen abyss
unlike proper
cunning patrol
Proper will win Mcd
willow drum
in a bo7
willow drum
that is like
willow drum
ans being good
keen abyss
and glads won GF
willow drum
for 1 gmae
keen abyss
because of those pulses
lost thicket
proper for roty and mvp imo
willow drum
on that submap
it is the same logic
keen abyss
on that submap
lost thicket
ans being good
ans woke up then kilo woke up then mikeyy fucked up
keen abyss
proper still could’ve touched
twin bloom
while shock lost gf because of proper’s missed pulses
They lost cause hanbin is the only good jq
keen abyss
he blinked straight over the payload
twin bloom
And viol2t and s9mm
keen abyss
directly over it
willow drum
They lost cause hanbin is the only good jq
jq?
lost thicket
proper still could’ve touched
mikeyy was meant to cover it
cunning patrol
If the meta stays lucio bap zarya souj genji
Is that actually meta
keen abyss
They lost cause hanbin is the only good jq
I was talking MM
lost thicket
not his fault imo
cunning patrol
Proper has already won MVP
willow drum
that lamp is insane value
willow drum
especially for a characrter
keen abyss
S9mm and viol2t threw 2 maps
didn’t s9mm win lijiang
willow drum
like zarya
cunning patrol
Ana is way better against genjay
twin bloom
Is that actually meta
It is better than the dva comp
cunning patrol
Imo
twin bloom
Atl ran
willow drum
Junkerqueen
i meant no JQ in MM
keen abyss
bro kilo got diffed by ans
keen abyss
Yeah he was very good on that map but threw map 1
just as hard as proper threw it
twin bloom
And viol2t threw
willow drum
bro kilo got diffed by ans
ans' 1st good preformance
twin bloom
Dorado
willow drum
since s3
keen abyss
ans' 1st good preformance
second actually ???
willow drum
second actually ???
? no
keen abyss
he was good against Atlanta idiot
willow drum
when was his first...
willow drum
he was good against Atlanta idiot
everybody is good
against atlanta
lol
they have sephy as a coach
twin bloom
That was deprresed atl
willow drum
agree
keen abyss
everybody is good
apac ?
willow drum
ATL wanted to beat APAC
after getting their shit stomped by them
last season
imo
willow drum
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