esports-discussion

[willow drum]

? he is the better player.....

[plush grail]

sans

[hot onyx]

comedy gold

ian

[keen abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/goodmorning-tuesdaycoffee-gif-26250125

[plush grail]

hey bbg

[keen abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/minions-blah-blah-blah-roll-eyes-eyeroll-whatever-gif-16216173

[twin bloom]

Blame titans for losing 6 very winnable games in which they were in a very good positon to win

Sadly

[hot onyx]

personally i blame Titans for not signing Proper during the off-season

i think he would’ve been a better pickup over Seicoe

[twin bloom]

Brave take

Imo instead of signing both Skaigoat and Aztac

They should have signed a Mt goat

Like hydration

Or mikeyy

Instead

[hot onyx]

or GiG

[twin bloom]

He does not compare

[willow drum]

dont ask

titans map 5 winrate

imho

[twin bloom]

2 and 5 would have been 1 and 6

If opener did not

Ajax

Imo

Also they had a 3-1 loss vs NYxL

That by all metric

Should have gone to map 5

But titans choked a 5 v 2

That would have sent them to a map 5

[cunning patrol]

mad

Because Boston are goats

[keen abyss]

I’d rather see Vancouver make playins beat london then get shitstomped by the first 2 teams above c tier they meet

[buoyant jacinth]

Real

[keen abyss]

nvm london won’t be in playins because that requires toronto to not be utter dogshit this weekend

[buoyant jacinth]

Valentine > pelican is real

[worn falcon]

this team gonna slap https://twitter.com/TeamPepsMAX/status/1579866918269636608

TEAM PEPS (@TeamPepsMAX)

Comme un air de déjà vu 😉

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[keen abyss]

5 mid players

[fathom igloo]

Who the Lord of Ls haLo said were gonna be the justice lmao

[static pond]

Didt this team lose to shockwave last contenders

[twin bloom]

They lost to the only good western team in contendors

[karmic charm]

isnt shockwave good lol

[static pond]

Wait

Do all the 3 new characters one shot tracer?

[karmic charm]

how much does kiriko hs do?

[willow drum]

Kiriko does 120 so no

Hs

[limpid grail]

sojourn technically can't

well

slow orb moment

[karmic charm]

her railgun can 1shot hs tracer from like 60 energy-ish? i think?

[balmy wolf]

what’s esport

[teal mural]

It’s gaming tournaments, basically competitive video game play

😎

🤓*

[balmy wolf]

ahhh alright!! thank you

[outer finch]

What exactly is a seed?

[devout path]

Your strength compared to the rest of the people in a tournament

So a 1st seed would be expected to win

And a 2nd seed would get 2nd etc

[outer finch]

Ohh

[devout path]

Seeding is used to order brackets so the 1st and 2nd seed generally don’t fight each other early on

[outer finch]

Can u tell me whats playins and playpffs

Offs*

[devout path]

Playins is qualifying for the playoffs

Like a last chance

Kind of

And playoffs is like a championship bracket

[outer finch]

Why is it that all teams can't compete in the final bracket instead of having cutoffs?
Since league has a fixed number of teams. So sometimes I see teams affected by the cutoff. Eg. I remember in summer showdown gladiators didn't make the bracket cause LS won against toronto. So a team that won midseason couldn't compete cause they didn't make the cut. Seems wierd

[devout path]

Because if there was no cutoff then there would be no point to play regular season games

And the tournament would take WAY too long

Reminder that they can only play one game at a time so adding teams exponentially increases the amount of time it would take

Well not exponentially but idk how else to really describe time to amount of teams

[limpid grail]

I mean it's not that odd

If you treat each stage of the overwatch league as a mini season

and the tournament is the culmination of that season

if you do badly in a stage like 2-4 glads, you're naturally not going to be able to go to the tournament

[devout path]

Its punishes teams who don’t experiment and rewards teams that find the meta early

Moreso last year than this year

[outer finch]

Okay makes sense

[limpid grail]

like the issue is
overwatch metas are really just the devs doing something stupid

like I wish this wasn't the case but this is ironically actually the case

[devout path]

Stupid is subjective

[limpid grail]

everything is subjective

🛌

[devout path]

It’s really really hard to balance a game that has a competitive and casual scene

[limpid grail]

this is true
but i also can't let them off the hook

I actually forgot echo got nerfed after launch

because I always thought focusing beam lasted that long and there's no possible way it could have ever lasted longer

[devout path]

There’s a reason I hate (to an extent) that games developed the ability to patch the game

[limpid grail]

it's hard to balance a game with a comp and casual scene but if we're being honest
release brig is terrible in both of those scenes

[dusky gulch]

[limpid grail]

literally no one wants to play against the support who disables dps
because you get pubstomped in casual games and booty bopped in pro ones

[fathom igloo]

Is it really that hard like no matter what you do you'll get cry babies

[limpid grail]

?

people's reactions don't make it any harder nor easier

it's about how the game is actually played

well

ehhh

yeah people's reactions only make it hard because the overwatch community whines about everything

but some are justified

[devout path]

Release characters are also designed to be strong

It doesn’t make any sense for a brand new character to be weak so that no one plays the new char

[limpid grail]

see but like

echo is strong

[devout path]

Also it’s hard to “balance” brig

[limpid grail]

and she's fun to play
she does a lot of things
and she's like a better pharah

[devout path]

Her design isn’t balanceable

She counters the core gameplay of the game

[limpid grail]

release brig is fun because you don't die

so you can literally play minecraft and win the game

[devout path]

PLUS

[fathom igloo]

You could in theory balance brig but you would need to change her whole kit

[devout path]

She becomes even stronger in coordinated environments

Where gameplay testing is most definitely not coordinated

She was designed to be strong for casuals and she ended up being even more strong in coordinated environments to a point where she was busted

[limpid grail]

oh whoop de doo

[devout path]

And she was also played in probably the best possible situation you could use a frontline aoe support with stuns

[limpid grail]

make character strong for bad players
I wonder what happens when the good players pick her up ooh wee

anyways I'm over release brig

or I'll get over it one day

[keen abyss]

it's unfair i'm always first seed at every tournament i play in it's so boring

[devout path]

It’s easier to nerf a strong character than it is to buff a weak character

[limpid grail]

I will agree

[fathom igloo]

Sounds like a skill issue

[limpid grail]

because I don't want to bring up brig again

[keen abyss]

it is an issue of overwhelming skill

[limpid grail]

point being

[fathom igloo]

I once was second in a tournament

[devout path]

This is in general with any game

[limpid grail]

playoffs patch is unfortunately an actual thing

where people do not organically develop a meta game nor try to actually put time into countering it

[fathom igloo]

I'm gonna love play offs because chaos

[limpid grail]

we had a patch where JQ was a must pick because of one ability which makes me laugh my but off

[devout path]

Developers prefer to have control over the meta game

Because it means they can make the game more entertaining for viewers

[limpid grail]

this is true

Mr. fire said it earlier but the OWL would sacrifice competitive integrity for views

fr

thinking back to how a simple pellet change made hog meta again

[devout path]

Every sport does

[devout path]

1 damage on hog making him broken shows how fragile balance is

[keen abyss]

especially since he received like 2 nerfs alongside that buff

[limpid grail]

classic Mickey mouse clubhouse shenanigans

hot dog!

[keen abyss]

they decreased his ammo, fire rate, and gave him 1 more damage and he was suddenly a must pick in like 75% of scenarios or smth

i remember shock had a little bit of success running zombie comp against it

on certain maps

[devout path]

Shows how hard it is to balance video games

[devout path]

That was philly

[limpid grail]

butterfly effect

except it's actually the ripple effect but the devs are too busy making the next busted character

[keen abyss]

they won gardens but lost oasis

so not that much success ig

[devout path]

And philly

[keen abyss]

surely justice didn't go up 2-0 against one of the best teams in the world

then get reverse swept

in a high stakes tournament

[devout path]

Justice is playoffs moment

[keen abyss]

shock won volskaya playing m*rcy zen dive

[devout path]

Nyxl season 1 is also a playoffs moment

[keen abyss]

imagine

if hanzo rework had not been played for 2018 playoffs

and it wasnt a weird ass hog orisa double sniper meta

valiant or nyxl could have easily taken home the title

[devout path]

Jjonak would be the goat

Well

Even more of a goat

[limpid grail]

when was pulled pork again

bro overwatch metas are some corny af stuff

[devout path]

Stage 4 2019

And season 1

[limpid grail]

flashbacks to the double shield bastion bap zen setups

[devout path]

Sigma didn’t exist stage 4 so they couldn’t play double shield

[limpid grail]

it's always crazy to me when I think of the fact that a time existed where overwatch had new heroes

I just take orisa for granted at this point

[devout path]

Imagine there was a time when ana wasn’t in the game

That’s insane

[limpid grail]

the og og
tank stacking

[devout path]

Slambulance

[keen abyss]

wasn't it also played in stage 3

[devout path]

Stage 3 was goats

[keen abyss]

i remember it being used on certain maps in the title match of the stage

i remember shock vs shanghai in a pulled pork mirror

and shock running goats on other maps

[devout path]

Shanghai played multi dps comps

[keen abyss]

where shanghai ran ball triple dps

[limpid grail]

goathai

the true spirit of overwatch

triple dps

[keen abyss]

i remember pulled pork and hanzo/pharm*rcy

architect vs dding

[devout path]

All I know is Shanghai played multi dps and shock played goats

[keen abyss]

striker vs diem(?) hanzo

[devout path]

Diem would play widow

[keen abyss]

why do i have so many memories of shock on oasis

pulled pork vs shanghai with dding architect dueling on pharah

ball hog against seoul in 2020 playoffs

[devout path]

Oasis garden “unlucky”

[keen abyss]

glads beating shock on oasis twice

i think once in 2020 and the second time in 2021 CC play-ins

where glads barely pulled the series back to go on to win the tournament

[devout path]

I have never seen anyone ever complain about oasis garden

[keen abyss]

off the back of SHUgoat in both play-ins and grand finals

yeah stage 3 grand finals

[devout path]

Control moment

[keen abyss]

the next 2 maps were ball triple dps

with youngjin on doom

youngjin playing hog doom and brig in one grand finals

[devout path]

Weird how shock didn’t play goats there

They really wanted smurf in

For the other two maps I guess

[keen abyss]

they also played pulled pork pharm*rcy mirror

on havana

[karmic charm]

oasis university sucks tho imo

[keen abyss]

university is the only oasis map i have good memories on

[karmic charm]

I have awful memories on university

[devout path]

Garden

[keen abyss]

i remember hating garden

[karmic charm]

city center > garden > university imo

[devout path]

I think garden is the best one

[keen abyss]

maybe because i play doom

and the high ground there is annoying for doom

feels like a pokey map

bc of the high ground

[devout path]

Doom can do diags all over garden

[karmic charm]

only 2 owl memories I have of oasis is profits 3k tire vs fuel in stage 1 s1 and dragons ending shocks map streak (I think that was on oasis)

[keen abyss]

shock full held shanghai on havana playing goats into triple dps

[devout path]

Striker

Garden

[keen abyss]

after doing pulled pork on attack

[devout path]

Cassidy

[karmic charm]

I domt remember striker on garden but u reminded me on sparkle on garden lol

[devout path]

Goats defense on Havana is super good goats attack SUCKS in a non mirror

[karmic charm]

oh and profit throwing pulse bomb on nothing stage 3 s1 vs boston

[devout path]

Striker flash shatter

[karmic charm]

I don't have any striker memories ixl

[keen abyss]

ilios started as a pharm*rcy pulled pork mirror

[karmic charm]

icl*

[keen abyss]

and shock played quad tank lucio moira on lighthouse

[devout path]

The funny door spot

[keen abyss]

there were so many comps in this match wtf

[devout path]

They have no reason to practice a meta

They knew 2-2-2 was coming at the beginning of the stage

I forget that stage 3 and stage 4 exist in 2019

[keen abyss]

what the fuck

[devout path]

They don’t matter

[keen abyss]

brig being played in zombie comp over reaper

that happened

in stage 3 grands

[devout path]

That’s monkey goats

With a sombra

[keen abyss]

wasnt dva usually replaced by sombra

• moira over zen

is it even goats

at that point

[devout path]

Moira is over zen

Goats is a concept

[karmic charm]

yeah I thought u replaced dva not zarya

[devout path]

Anything can be goats

Idk what that comp is

It’s basically goats

But it’s also basically not goats

[keen abyss]

goats is a state of being

[devout path]

Goats is literally rein zarya dva brig lucio Moira

[karmic charm]

I thought it was zen not moira

[devout path]

But goats is really just a multi tank deathball

[devout path]

That was a revision

Not actually goats

[karmic charm]

oh I see

I miss rialto it should still be in owl and ow2

[devout path]

The actual comp was Moira then goats became a concept

[devout path]

It will come back in rotation soon

Maybe

[keen abyss]

kiriko may be the first dlc support hero to not completely define a meta almost immediately after launch

[karmic charm]

I hope so bc it hasn't been in rotation all year

[karmic charm]

yeah she seems very niche

[keen abyss]

wait actually most supports

did not immediately have their meta

[devout path]

I think she’s broken

She’s gonna be bap

[keen abyss]

beyblade was quite a bit after ana's release i think

[devout path]

No it wasn’t

[karmic charm]

idk, her damage and heals feel much more inconsistent than baps

[keen abyss]

was it not

i remember ana not immediately being broken

[devout path]

I don’t think so

Maybe it was

Was beyblade 2017?

[keen abyss]

i think

ana was released at the time where discord orb was still 50%

[devout path]

That’s cuz we haven’t learnt her mechanics yet

[keen abyss]

so she was overshadowed

[devout path]

I think the teleport is super broken

It’s better Moira fade

[keen abyss]

yeah but she has no self peel besides that

[devout path]

Her e

[keen abyss]

i guess

[karmic charm]

sure, but idk, I think lucio bap will still be meta, with kiriko being a niche some teams use

[keen abyss]

bit of a long cooldown for self peel

[devout path]

If you average the cooldowns out

It’s better self peel than ana

[keen abyss]

i forgot how short overwatch seasons were at launch

[devout path]

Or equal to ana

[keen abyss]

yeah but antinade is fucking insane

idk if kiriko has the same extreme fightwinning potential

to warrant a spot over zen or ana

[devout path]

Doesn’t the kiriko e cleanse

[karmic charm]

yeah

in her ult you get 3 e's bc of the cd too

[devout path]

It’s like bap immo

I’m just saying people didn’t realize how busted immortality field was until people learnt the character more

[keen abyss]

imaging being a shock fan in stage 3 2019

seeing shanghai go up 3-0 against shock

[devout path]

Also kiriko is the first support to be released in 2-2-2

[keen abyss]

seeing shock take the next 3 maps

then watching them fail the reverse sweep

just to lose to shanghai

[karmic charm]

what does her e actually cleanse tho

[devout path]

Everything

[karmic charm]

like, antiheal/sleep, what else

[devout path]

Discord

[karmic charm]

but then that has to assume zen/ana are being played and not replaced by kiriko

[keen abyss]

nooo she cleansed my discord i'm so sad i can't just reapply it instantly with no cd and virtually no downtime

[devout path]

It’s like Moira fade

[karmic charm]

by that point the cleanse part of it seems useless if ana zen aren't being played

[keen abyss]

shatter

mei ult

[devout path]

Junkerqueen

[karmic charm]

rein jq and mei aren't played tho

[keen abyss]

also when are ana and zen

not being played

lucio moira comps

and lucio bap comps

[karmic charm]

if kiriko is being played that's who she would replace no?

[keen abyss]

lucio bap is commonly played with rein and it beats shatter

[devout path]

I don’t think so

[karmic charm]

isn't lucio bap meta rn with zarya tho

[devout path]

I think kiriko “is a main support”

[keen abyss]

that's true

[devout path]

Main support doesn’t exist

[karmic charm]

what would be kirikos ideal comp then in ur opinions

[devout path]

But I think she replaces mercy

[devout path]

Kiriko zen

[keen abyss]

jel talked about a doomfist tracer lucio composition with kiriko

which i thought sounded fun

[devout path]

With like a sigma

[keen abyss]

sadly doomfist

is shit rn

[devout path]

And poke dps

[keen abyss]

poke being meta for playoffs

would be the most boring shit imaginable

[devout path]

I think kiriko is poke support

[keen abyss]

4/5 years featuring a surprise poke playoffs patch

wow!

[karmic charm]

what patch is playoffs on do ppl know

[devout path]

Season 4 wasn’t a surprise meta

[keen abyss]

exactly

it was the only year

that did not have a surprise playoffs patch

[devout path]

Then 2019 wasn’t a poke meta

2019 was hard rush

[keen abyss]

double shield bastion

[devout path]

Oh yea

[keen abyss]

or was that map specific

[devout path]

there was two double shield comps

[keen abyss]

i keep forgetting about double shield doom reaper

[devout path]

There was doom reaper rush that’s what I remember

[keen abyss]

i always think of the screenshot of gibraltar

with bastion sitting behind 2 shields and window

[devout path]

I always think of lijang control center

[keen abyss]

and then bastion chandelier

i think of shock vs atlanta on lijiang night market

though i think that was sym

[devout path]

I think of the actual grand finals

[keen abyss]

the actual grand finals

was shock vs atlanta

[devout path]

No

[keen abyss]

i burned shock vs vancouver out of my head

mickey mouse match

[devout path]

That was the most boring grand finals

Even though 2019 had some of the BEST stage finals ever

[keen abyss]

i hate 2018 grand finals off of merely the fact that london and philly were both entirely uninteresting teams to me

like if nyxl glads or valiant had made it

[devout path]

Stage 1 and stage 2 finals were some of the best overwatch

[keen abyss]

i would have been interested

but it was 2 teams that i genuinely just had 0 interest in

[keen abyss]

and stage 3

[karmic charm]

I liked it purely being a London fan but it was hard being a london fan when they didn't represent eu in any way

[keen abyss]

the hyper developed goats gameplay

[devout path]

Stage 3 wasn’t goats so I don’t care

[keen abyss]

was amazing

but shanghai beating goats

was also awesome

i miss ball triple dps

[devout path]

I prefer seeing one comp played to perfection

[keen abyss]

diem and dding are legends

[devout path]

than seeing multiple comps played well

[karmic charm]

did u like jq meta

[keen abyss]

imagine if ball triple dps

had time to be developed like that

[devout path]

It didn’t last long enough for teams to get really good at it

[karmic charm]

fuel?

[keen abyss]

the best we'll ever see of it was fuel's playoffs run

but that's one stage playoffs

and the other teams were dogshit at it

shock didnt even put up a fight

[devout path]

Stage 2 2021 finals was also amazing

[keen abyss]

so it wasnt that good

if glads had made playoffs and challenged fuel

SS playoffs could've been interesting

but we don't know what glads' ceiling on the comp was

because toronto is a fucking terrible team

who lost to london spitfire twice

in the same tournament cycle

[devout path]

I like deathbally comps when it’s not one sided

[karmic charm]

why the London slander :c

[keen abyss]

london shitfire

dogshit team

wholly overrated

bottom 4 na at best

[karmic charm]

bottom 4???

[keen abyss]

they were good

up until MM playoffs

[devout path]

Like june joust 2021 finals

[keen abyss]

MM playoffs and after they were so bad

[keen abyss]

what teams in na are worse rn

[karmic charm]

they weren't particularly bad in mm playoffs, they just choked, or ss were they were just subpar

[keen abyss]

boston is better BTW

[devout path]

I think stage 1 and 2 2019 and stage 2 2021 was the best overwatch we have ever seen

The finals

[keen abyss]

they've been shit in CC too

[karmic charm]

oh rn, sure, I thought u meant generally

[keen abyss]

generally

[karmic charm]

they played the worst 2 teams then 2 of the best, pretty hard to gauge how good they are

[keen abyss]

they had a good stage

a bad playoffs for that stage

another good stage

another bad playoffs for that stage

a bad stage

another bad playoffs for that stage

[karmic charm]

they could be really good if they do tracer sojourn zarya lucio bap

[keen abyss]

and are having another bad stage

2 goods 5 bads

[karmic charm]

they didn't make KC playoffs

[keen abyss]

wait they didnt

[karmic charm]

they went 3-3 but missed out on map diff

[keen abyss]

L

[keen abyss]

i dont trust poko to perform

idk

[karmic charm]

then went 5-1 in MM, didn't play particularly bad , beat reign and played shock close, choked vs mayhem

[keen abyss]

sparkr shax kaan could all pop off but i dont trust poko rn

[karmic charm]

was mediocre in jq meta but then choked vs florida again

[devout path]

Has there ever been a bad stage 1

[keen abyss]

ok tbf london was given a shitty hand in stage 1

atlanta glads houston shock

and beating atlanta

is not a bad performance

[devout path]

I think every stage 1 has been pretty cool

[karmic charm]

what was 2020 stage 1

[keen abyss]

i dont remember stage 1 2021

[devout path]

Great

[karmic charm]

and that ^

[devout path]

Double bubble

[karmic charm]

what was the meta

[keen abyss]

i only remember rein dva cass mei lucio bap

and then i think it was the stage after where sym mei rush because popular

[devout path]

Playoffs was winston

[keen abyss]

wait no it was SS

with sym mei rush

because no rein in june joust

(one of the reasons why june joust was good)

[devout path]

Fuel showed sym in stage 1 but it became popular stage 3

[keen abyss]

if rein had been banned for season playoffs

[karmic charm]

all I remember of 2020 stage 1 was london hold vs justice on dorado with the rein mei comp

[keen abyss]

2021 playoffs would have been interesting

because atlanta shit the bed so hard in grands

dallas or glads would have made 2021 grands interesting

but sadly they got boomed

by the hai

[devout path]

Dallas should’ve been there

[keen abyss]

and swept by shitlanta

[devout path]

Dallas got the nyxl treatment

[keen abyss]

(the only na team that was not boomed by shanghai)

[keen abyss]

imo glads

had the second highest ceiling that year

and were the only team that shanghai was scared of

[devout path]

Atlanta just played against a bunch of idiot na teams that mirrored brawl

[keen abyss]

was it lip that said that in an interview

every match that atlanta won

was against a team that had just dropped to shanghai

so im thinking that the teams were thinking so much about how to beat shanghai's ball and DS comps

that atlanta's rush caught them off guard

[devout path]

Also atlanta was the best brawl team

[keen abyss]

if any of those teams had actually prepped for atlanta

they do not go far

besides shock

because shock was shit

atlanta beating glads and dallas

instantly killed the excitement of the playoffs

[devout path]

Pelican is SO FUCKING GOOD at mei

[keen abyss]

imagine glads vs dallas in loser finals

and the winner facing shanghai

that would be such a hype playoffs

[devout path]

That would be so much more interesting

[keen abyss]

but sadly atlanta steamrolled the boomed na teams

then get steamrolled themselves

we never got to see full power glads vs dallas

glads were sorta shit first 2 stages

and dallas was sandbagging when glads were good

we never got to see the 2 best na teams fight at full power

and we never got to see the 2 best teams in the world fight at full power

besides in the first 2 stages

[devout path]

Reminder that Dallas didn’t have a hitscan all of 2021

While glads had birdring

[keen abyss]

fearless hanbin

are goats

for that

[devout path]

True

And birdring is a goat too

[keen abyss]

fearless hanbin

is just tiers above muze space

which is already a strong tank lineup

imo fearless hanbin best tank duo

of ow1

void fate good but fearless hanbin

[devout path]

Smurf choi

[keen abyss]

did not have a GOAT like lip

and still did crazy shit

[devout path]

Smurf choi

[keen abyss]

like imagine having jecse and no hs

[devout path]

Will always be my tank duo

[keen abyss]

and still going toe to toe with the team with the best well rounded roster

and the best hs in the multiverse

and the best coaching

[devout path]

Also fearless hanbin has fielder jecse vs izayaki leejaegon

[keen abyss]

fielder

equalizes or > izayaki

in a meta like zombie

[devout path]

Fielder is a Moira otp

[keen abyss]

isn't his ana really good too

[devout path]

Fielder is by far the best Moira tho

[keen abyss]

just not a goat on bap or zen

imagine 2021 dallas

with chiyo

[devout path]

Imagine 2022 Dallas but they could actually play both tanks

[buoyant jacinth]

fielder bap

is solid

[devout path]

Fielder isn’t like bad

He’s just not izayaki

[buoyant jacinth]

yeah he's better

[keen abyss]

fearless hitscan

actually

fearless echo

[devout path]

Ur dumb

[keen abyss]

dallas fuel on a 2 minute cooldown

can become the best team in the world for 15 seconds

[vagrant cargo]

Brainrotting statement

Saying izayaki>fielder in OW2 is funny

Because fielder gaps him so hard on everything but zen 💀

The sole reason Shanghai are where they are rn is LiP being the arguable best dps player itw

And Void obviously

[devout path]

I’m not even gonna argue cuz imagine thinking I watch ow2

[vagrant cargo]

Yeah we can tell

That u don't watch nor understand it

[tropic herald]

ChargeSzn

[vagrant cargo]

Farway>iza

Farway is the goat

[tropic herald]

Charge are making playoffs

[earnest leaf]

fuel would crumble harder without fielder than if they had no hanbin

[tropic herald]

Fielder more replaceable imo but that’s a disservice bc they are both goats

[keen abyss]

fielder staying up until 5 am in a dark room to carry his team through a tournament then immediately passing out afterwards

[twin bloom]

Only Shock and justice mirrored!

[frosty shell]

shields are up no matter how much shots and rain and tunder and lightning and tornadoes hurricanes or anything shields up

[keen abyss]

dallas .

[sullen berry]

@balmy wolf: scrims say Teru is the best Kiriko in APAC
Me: Overconfidence is a flimsy shield

!jumbo

[uncut drum]

Really teru?

I thought good zens will be good kiriko

Like kann is a decent zen

Maybe sir majed

[sullen berry]

I haven't invested stonks into spark, both figuratively and on hoot

[sullen berry]

What makes you think that might be true and Spark actually take the W instead

To me it's heresy unless there's any true conversations from other teams besides seoul

[uncut drum]

I think they don't deserve it after SS

I want to see charge there

[sullen berry]

East division teams don't believe in emotional attachment and whether they deserve it or not

[uncut drum]

Oh I know

[hot onyx]

worth it for a dinner with Achillios

[last nimbus]

Imagine smurf stayed on shock

They would've dominated this season

[earnest leaf]

that would be an interesting what if

If shock were able to keep super or smurf for the entire year

never getting coluge or mikeyy

[keen abyss]

they still get gapped with super

[vagrant cargo]

Nah

Ur underrating super

OW2 is like perfect for super

His mechanics on tanks are insane besides monkey

[plush grail]

his unbreakable mental and mechanics would go crazy on solo tank

did he ever say why he retired around the time when the pros got their first peaks at ow2?

[vagrant cargo]

Idk

[plush grail]

he could have been the next daan

[split flume]

one less player to manage? super would pound

[keen abyss]

nah he’d be better than daan

could be the next krawi

[plush grail]

fuck off

i cant wait for the final paris game

[keen abyss]

can’t wait to see that team done and dusted

so we can usher in the new era of greatness with vegas eternal

out with the frenchies

[vagrant jacinth]

No more French

[limpid grail]

the overwatch league is really about to be

the American league
the Apac league
and then London

[vagrant jacinth]

Number 1 eu baybee

[hot onyx]

so excited for MCD to win the Dennis Hawkella award

[uncut drum]

Who is winning COTY

I think Tobi has to be in the talk

[split flume]

crusty should win it because crusty has somehow never won it before, just give it to him retroactively for 2019 and 2020

[north relic]

Didn’t he troll

Most of the stage

[split flume]

what stage

[north relic]

This stage

[split flume]

well i wasn't talking about this year was i

most literate new york fan

[north relic]

It’s called coach of the year

Don’t give a shitter coach of the year for being a bad coach during the year

Crusty carried by good players tbh

[wicked pendant]

no Ta1yo, no win

[full ore]

is there an ow lfg server ?

[balmy wolf]

no striker no win

[limpid grail]

no player no win

[glad robin]

who's the best char atm?

[lost thicket]

lol, lmao

[lost thicket]

Chris, Tobi, Crusty, Rush, Unter

all should be in the running

[lost thicket]

yeah, 2020 he deserved it

[lost thicket]

coluge/smurf would probably be their best tankline

best sigma/best monkey/top tier JQ/Top Tier Doom/Great Zarya/Good Ball/ Good Hog

[cunning patrol]

He was getting tilted in scrims

[lost thicket]

which would be their best tankline

?

[cunning patrol]

And his girl was bad

[lost thicket]

smurf coluge, super coluge, reiner coluge?

[random quarry]

Does anybody know why is torbjornn disabled?

[cloud latch]

he can have two overloads

[tiny pollen]

Smurf fate best tankline unironically

[cloud latch]

you misspelled smurf hanbin

[tiny pollen]

Smurf has a mid ball

And s tier everything else

Need silly ball otp

[cloud latch]

I think smurf is a good ball

[tiny pollen]

Idk I'm not a big fan

Smurf belorosea

Final answer
Smurf Smurf

1 Smurf plays other Smurf coaches Smurf

[cunning patrol]

His sig is not S tier

Lol

[twin bloom]

Is smurf rein

S tier

[uncut drum]

agreed

[uncut drum]

smurf hanbin would be deadly

[lost thicket]

Yeah but I doubt dallas would let hanbin go, I feel like coluge would always be part of shock cuase OT no choi, so Reiner cause synergy or have their 2 MTs stay

[fathom igloo]

I honestly feel a shake up with the tanks in the off season

[twin bloom]

Imo COTY is a braindead award because it is impossible for the community to know which coach is good or not but why is unter getting more hype for coty instead of FACE

Lol

[fathom igloo]

Nohill should win coty

[karmic charm]

chris should win coty

[cunning patrol]

Because cunter

Is the goat

[fathom igloo]

He's mad cause NYXL is bad

Without jjonak

[lost thicket]

that's a fair point but you can still see that one coach had a impact on their team, crusty is a top tier hc since S1 gettin to second place twice with an insane reg season, Rush has made a mentality/core that won a stage and got them to finish 2nd in another stage by using zarya, chris got a london team that was thought of as bad/mid to heights not seen by that franchise after season 1, Unter was a key to atlantas success, Face was part of glads success S4 but it seems unter was a bit more of a push

[twin bloom]

KdG was a massive part of fusions succesz in s3 and sado heesu literally left fusion to be with him

But some individuals do not like him

Coaching is very subjective imo

[valid token]

BRING BACK LOOT BOXES!!!

[tiny pollen]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1024171033818845196/1026975041314893864/gifkitties_1577414231019896839.gif

[cloud latch]

actually a good take

[obsidian coral]

I notice I am dominate in moving and aiming on the left side. Is this a common imbalance: if so any tips to make be be able to aim and move both sides .

[next mesa]

No

Sadly

But good enough

Yeah his sig isn't S either

His zarya is though (no bias)

[karmic charm]

https://twitter.com/Sentinels/status/1580253096772395008

Sentinels (@Sentinels)

The face of VALORANT

A system built around him

@TenZOfficial is here to stay

▶ Play video

Twitter · Oct 12, 2022, 5:44 PM

[next mesa]

W

[hot onyx]

Unter managed to make a team with Gator and Masaa managed by Sephyy into top 5 and now propelled a team with Ans’ corpse and Patiphan to the top for two tournaments in a row

that’s without mentioning his stint on 2020 Valiant taking the most below average team to top 5 NA alongside Packing10

[balmy wolf]

@willow tartan ay bro what has happened to this server

Oh hes still muted

tf

[twin bloom]

Gator and Masaa were both very good on their one tricks. Kai pelican hawk and iris was an insane core. ATL had insane scrimbucks before unter joined

Lol

[hot onyx]

NYXL had insane scrimbucks too

[fathom igloo]

cry some more

[twin bloom]

Stfu lol. In a region with fusion before KR ringers LA valiant and the spark shitshow

[limpid grail]

i kinda miss Atlanta in double shield

the part where they got murdered by shanghai

[slow hill]

Anybody want to play over watch 1v1s

[balmy wolf]

How do I get into the competitive scene of overwacth 2 as a support main

[hot onyx]

Poko on 300 ping >>> Bianca

[twin bloom]

Everyone was better than bianca

Excepts for showcheng

[hot onyx]

Showcheng was better

just handed to the worst team in the league

on a team like Spark Showcheng wouldn’t have been bottom 5

[twin bloom]

Imo when you only win 2 maps in a region with spark imploding every month and charge

You can not be above bottom 1

[plush grail]

the current contender for the #1 spot always gets it

its not a real award

would be cool if they made it more serious

[twin bloom]

Chris is def getting it

[plush grail]

force the coaches to give a few strats and explain their way of thinking

[twin bloom]

And london is far from #1

Imo

[plush grail]

i just want more depth

[cloud latch]

force lol

[plush grail]

we have nothing to base coty on

team doing good =/= good coach

[hot onyx]

Pajion COTY

IMT COTY

[cunning patrol]

Objectively untrue

[hot onyx]

Poko didn’t get benched for Kalios halfway through the season

[cunning patrol]

Poko is a garbage player

And never has been good

[hot onyx]

he’s done quite well on Spitfire

“never” been good implies he was not top 5 in s1

[twin bloom]

That is a biased claim that is sadly not true

Poko was a big player in 2018

[cunning patrol]

He was never

[twin bloom]

And a little bit in 2020

[cunning patrol]

That

In 2018 furay

Mekgoat

Jjanu

Choi

[twin bloom]

Jjanu was not a owl player

In 2018

Imo

[cunning patrol]

He was

A contenders

Goat

[twin bloom]

Ok

Counting contenders

He was mid

[cunning patrol]

Michelle on LFZ was also clear

[twin bloom]

At his peak

[cunning patrol]

Also envy was better

In OwL

Space

[twin bloom]

Envy was so good

[cunning patrol]

Yeah

[twin bloom]

Why did he have to be such a bad teamate

[cunning patrol]

Just toxic

Lmfaoo

Daco was a goat

As well

In game

[hot onyx]

so much could’ve been fixed with an In-And-Out-Burger drive through pep talk

[twin bloom]

Daco the goat for letting FRD start

On a good team

Like he deserves

[cunning patrol]

Dacgoat

[hot onyx]

FRD to Shock

[twin bloom]

Why did dafran leave cause of daco

If frd was gonna

Replace him

Anyway

[cunning patrol]

Daco was a good teammate

Despite common misconception

Imo

[twin bloom]

It is not.imo

Everybody hated

Him

Lol

[cunning patrol]

I didn’t

[twin bloom]

Ok

[twin bloom]

Imo he has only looked good on one map this year

Against titans when they were forcing mirror doom every map

[hot onyx]

I don’t think he has looked like a detriment to the team in any map he has played

Just average

[vagrant cargo]

@cunning patrol are u still plat monkey

[cunning patrol]

I havent played LMFAO

[vagrant cargo]

Pussio

Play the game

I went 13-1 solo q today

And got diamond 3

From plat 2

In one promotion

[cunning patrol]

I been workin bro

[vagrant cargo]

Good

Get that bag

[trail perch]

I accidentally placed my alt instead of my main

and got so confused why i was popping off so hard

then i went 7-0 and ended silver 3 and realized i was on the wrong acc

[worthy jewel]

Lol I think everyone’s rank is jank. Either that or there’s going to be like 1 GM in the world 😂

[next mesa]

initial top 500s placed diamond/master so the scale got shifted

probably

[earnest leaf]

my main acc on dps was usually 3600-3800

got placed plat 2, then ranked up to dia 4, to diamond 2 now

despite going negative or even each time

[vagrant cargo]

I know 4 gms already

[tiny pollen]

Twitter is flooded with gm 1

I hope they release top 500

[ionic kiln]

Placements are kinda fucky since I finished mine and got out in silver three. But I already managed to climb up to Diamond so it’s not really hard to climb back up

[full glen]

Looking for mercy duo

[twin bloom]

Every good player from ow 1

Is GM

Lol

[cunning patrol]

I am not which goes against your claim IMO @twin bloom

[willow drum]

where did you place

imo

[cunning patrol]

plat1

once i rank up im to the moon

[willow drum]

how did a 4300 player

go into plat 1

odd

[cunning patrol]

I did NOT hit 4.2 on the account I use now

It’s like 3.7 peak I never played comp on it

[willow drum]

still

3.7 into plat 1

is odd

couple hundred sr

higher

[cunning patrol]

I don’t think it is that weird

[willow drum]

ok

[cunning patrol]

Considering I will probably

Skip ranks

[tropic herald]

thats very normal

for ow2

i know people who r gm rn

placed plat n dia

[cloud latch]

hellfire unironically goes back to silver if he places

support that is

[willow drum]

lmao probably

its like what

900 sr

below my peak

makes sense

[next mesa]

i think there was

1 gm

that placed bronze 5

and everyone is using that

[still quest]

When will knight mercy go away

[thin basin]

im new to the game, ive been using moira and find my self getting alot of damage and kills in quick play. but is she viable in comp?

[willow drum]

No

[cloud latch]

if you dont care about climbing sure but if you wanna climb start practicing ana and zen

[exotic verge]

Where do I find scrims for OW2?

[next mesa]

yes she is

up to a certain rank

👌

[thin basin]

ohhh okay

so i should be fine to use her when i get bronze then?

[next mesa]

yees no problem

[plucky rampart]

i was gm and placed bronze 1

[tropic herald]

Skill issue

[glad robin]

Who's the most op character? i guess it's between zarya and diva because peoples talking about them a lot but not sure

[deft wolf]

Dva imo shes more versatile

Whoever wins that first east play-in match automatically go to playoffs

spark just suck rn

vs.

Guangzou are definitely the favorite but i hope chengdu wake up

[uncut drum]

into playoff

[deft wolf]

Yeaaaa

Chengdu just look bad rn

not as bad as spark tho

Playoff rankings Predictions

1. Dallas Fuel
2. San Francisco Shock
3. Seoul Dynasty
4. Los Angles Gladiators
5. Shanghai Dragons
6. Houston Outlaws
7. Atlanta Reign
8. London Spitfire
9. Toronto Defiant
10. Philadelphia Fusion
11. Florida Mayhem
12. Chengdu Hunters

Chengdu fan

[earnest leaf]

why shock so high

[deft wolf]

fixed

But the match ups shock has this week will be in their favor

[earnest leaf]

oh that's your guess on the seeding by the end of this week

I thought it was a kinda of power rankings going into playoffs

[river sedge]

Anyone know where we can buy home game tickets

I go to the website and can’t find it

[keen abyss]

aren't you peak like 2.6

[keen abyss]

?

how the fuck do you have london top 8 global

london is dogshit rn

like bottom 4 global 😭

dallas is good but they just got whooped by houston and if there's any team i trust if kiriko is meta it's ones with reliable FS players

[hot onyx]

Landon top 5 Kiriko

[keen abyss]

if it's like ana kiriko or zen kiriko as meta

you are relying on chiyo being a good kiriko probably

i trust shu/skewed much more

on kiriko

how the fuck is there a universe

where current glads

is out of top 3

they dropped 4 maps in one meta

[hot onyx]

bold of you to assume Space isn’t the kiriko player

[keen abyss]

and that meta is long gone

(not to mention they looked much better at that meta by the end of it)

ok let me pull up a chart of glads matches excluding summer showdown

their only loss from week 3 - week 12

was the shock match in winners finals

and then they came back and whooped shock in grands

they had 2 weeks where they were like average at a meta

playing the 4 best teams very close

and have not dropped a match since

they have lost matches in only 2 weeks after the 2 reverse sweeps in stage 1

besides the tourney match where they lost to shock but that was equalized and more by them beating shock in the grands of the same tourney

putting glads anywhere below top 2

is hard slander

especially when fuel just dropped to outlaws

glads by far have the best roster in the league

if we're going into completely uncharted meta they should be the #1 team to look out for

if you exclude those 2 weeks of summer showdown glads are 24-1 after week 3

(2 matches where they still looked extremely dominant for a large portion)

if it wasn't for those 2 reverse sweeps

glads would have dropped ONE SET outside of those summer showdown matches

and that was in a tournament where they beat that same exact team a day later in dominant fashion

imo if zarya is not meta glads are basically guaranteed grand finals

zarya meta is where dallas/seoul can edge out glads

bc smurf and hanbin are legends on the hero

same stage btw!

[karmic charm]

London as a team is very hard to gauge rn be they beat the bottom 2 and then lost to 2 of the top 3, they could easily be really good if this week they come out with tracer sojourn zarya lucio bap

calling them dogshit is a bit far

[keen abyss]

london is shit and has been shit since midseason madness qualifiers ended

after like week 10 or 11

london went back to being below average

[karmic charm]

no ?? they weren't "shit" in jq meta they were average

[keen abyss]

they were shit

they got a lucky schedule

and got shit on in tourney

toronto just consistently shits the bed against london

[karmic charm]

they didn't get shit on in tourney

[keen abyss]

what did they do in tourney again

[karmic charm]

they choked against florida they didn't get shit on

[keen abyss]

florida beats london

in the same vein that london beats toronto

you can't get kicked out of tourneys by mayhem back to back

[karmic charm]

didn't london take more maps off fuel than shock did in 7 maps

[keen abyss]

and not be a shit team

imo

how many did london get

shock vs fuel in tourney was 8 maps

7 fuel - 1 shock

[karmic charm]

it wasn't

[keen abyss]

seoul top 3 global btw!

[karmic charm]

fuel 3-0 then 4-0

[keen abyss]

wasnt it fuel 3-1

[karmic charm]

nope

fuel 3-1 london

[keen abyss]

oh shock was just shit

lmao

i was thinking of qualifiers

where shock went 1-3

against fuekl

top 2 in the world btw!

[karmic charm]

also who else would be above seoul

[keen abyss]

they only lost to a bottom 5 na team the houston outlaws that just lost to boston and the toronto fucking shitfiant

[karmic charm]

best case they're top 3 and worst I'd say top 4

[keen abyss]

that is fair i just like making fun of seoul fans

because seoul fans are commonly profit fans

when profit has consistently been the worst starting member on his team

yet is being given mvp nominee honors

glads seoul fuel outlaws atlanta dragons shock guangzhou

is my current top 8

what is wrong with this team 😭

[karmic charm]

London is definitely top 12 imo, well, atleast they could be

[keen abyss]

HOW DID SHOCK LOSE TO THIS TEAM

[hot onyx]

The Hangzhou Spark

[keen abyss]

they looked shit against atlanta atlanta just threw so many maps

[karmic charm]

spark winning owl fr

[keen abyss]

they got reverse swept by nyxl

understandable

because yaki is insane but

VANCOUVER TITANS

THEY LOST TO VANCOUVER

TITANS

and shock lost

to this team

[hot onyx]

NYXL was just a hard fdps gap

[keen abyss]

the same vancouver titans

that were absolutely helpless against glads

[hot onyx]

Vancouver is not a bad team when they field Aztac

[keen abyss]

but shock is #2 in the world

2 spots above glads

ofc ofc

[keen abyss]

based !

[hot onyx]

Gladiators may have won two titles this season but they flopped a whole tournament and went to 5 with NYXL so they are no longer top 3

[keen abyss]

how the fuck do i rate hangzhou spark

[karmic charm]

you dont

[keen abyss]

i want to put them bottom 5 after the tragedy that is the past 2 tourneys

put can i really do that

[karmic charm]

yes

[keen abyss]

after they almost 3-0'd the team i have rated as #2

[karmic charm]

since mm they're 2-10

[keen abyss]

with 4 tier breaks in between them

[split flume]

how are you still cheering for this team

[keen abyss]

but like

they randomly almost full swept seoul 😭

and denied the reverse sweep