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How is coluge on zar?
No one’s knows
why dont they run the zar comps
Has he even played zarya?
He is good on all ots
when he needed to xd
im not sure but he is a off tank
like 2months ago
Lol
who plays echo? proper?
proper or s9mm
S9mm
Put proper on zarya and let kilo carry rofl
it's like playing orisa hog lucio pharah m*rcy on ilios well and having it work and saying hey it worked lets try it on other maps!
yea id put s9mm on echo all day
prob s9mm
could do striker/proper or proper/s9mm
We haven’t seen proper echo
coluge would be a better zarya
atm id like to see s9mm proper more tho
i would guess he hasn't practiced it to the extent speedily has
just gotta get sinatraa back to play the zarya honestly not even trolling
copium, shock picks super back up
so mirroring speedily on his best and most warmed up hero would not be wise
Lmao why did they use the night vision sounds from a cod game
Peli tank
???
ew
sinatraa fanboy
not even trolling
IS THAT A NEW HIGHLIGHT INTRO
lets bring a sex offender back to overwatch league!
Thank god
u can hate him as much as u want tho his zarya is fucking nuts
Sinatraa would probably get rolled tbh
I did not like the last one
great idea sf shock 2022 babyyyyyyy!
Different game
iknow
Different players
tbh
It’s their new one yeah after speedily came in
Same thing people said about striker
they should pick super back up
They have proper
shock need to not run sombra
honestly just put striker on tracer then proper on everything else
every time they don't play her they look exponentially better
shock fans be like let's pick up
- the guy who willingly retired because he hated the stress of competing, lost passion, and would be much happier with his streaming career and chilling
- the rapist
Veteran experience
some ppl really dont get sarcasm do they
💀 💀
we are messing around💀 💀
jesus
LOL
"not even trolling, u can hate him as much as u want tho his zarya is fucking nuts" conveys that it is not sarcasm
Proper echo
@faint tapir
lmao
sarcasm: the use of irony to mock or convey contempt.
why they have viol2t on ana?
Fin on zen
is his ana not ass?
internet teenagers still not understanding that people who they've never met can not possibly understand their personality quirks over text
well actually not ass cuz he good but still
put sinatraa in for colhuge
super instead of striker for his genji
and we win
its as easy as that
nah but do u guys think that choi will ever come back?
Apparently last season Violet hates Ana
Bring in Mikey imo
ball monkey ass in this meta
shock fans continuing to be the most insufferable people on the planet
Military is kinda like a soft retire
bro still mad
hate it or love it
still the best team in owl history
fr fr
He might but most likely not
nah cuz what are these hawk crumples
Remech
the years away from the game makes it so much of a catch up
True
you're missing multiple years of practice knowledge etc. that other players got
you're forever at a disadvantage
Yeah
Matthew ''super'' Delisi on his way to Los Angeles Valiant to save the OWL.
Unless the moment you get out you practice until you are caught up
kinda crazy that Shock has Striker and Proper yet they are struggling
Yeah lol
not really
striker was like a C tier dps at best this year
he's big washed
LOL
haven't been following OWL in a while
Yeah tru
Hawk is just offsetting everything
Do you guys think that it will be hard for striker to comm with him not speaking english in a while?
what's happening with Shock guys?
Striker wash tbh
They’re finished
well shock is kinda doing bad rn
2021-2022 striker is not the same 2018-2020 striker
they were pretty solid from what I remember at the start of the season
he done it at boston a cple months ago
He not bad
true
He can’t keep@up@imo
Actually they’re just sandbagging
like they were dominating the start of OW2 season
i thought they were a full korean team
Not currently
this stage has no effects
they're locked for top 3 playoffs seed
so its speculated
literally just not doing well since the last patch
Ya
ic
People are saying dragons is also doing the same
they where dominating till 3 weeks ago
lol
Yeah but they won but they were playing against changoon
I can't deny that he was the best Tracer in the League at one point tho
Still it was competitive
so didnt play the game they on for months
I mean yeah but i feel like proper is just the better striker currently
he is
Duh
he still is the mvp of this season imo
Proper way better imo
and proper is more flexible and it was a useless pickup
ppl saying hanbin cuz he was good in the budget goats meta xd
Proper imo is the best player in OWL this season
he is just insane
both on Genji and Tracer
Kev mvp imo
and sojourn aswel
People saying hanbin MVP are tryna be different
Its kevin
Easily
Or shu
If you are cringe
also how u guys feeling about kilo hs?
Maybe
One of those 2
id even know why they gave S9mm to play Genji. I can tell just from Proper's aiming style that he has better Genji mechanics
who u guys think going to leave shock after this szn
Like play tracer
mikeyy s9mm
Striker
Striker
fair
Mikeyy and striker
It was geni tracer meta
and they will get junbin from o2blast as a new tank
Back to Boston he goes
Striker should just leave eSports in general
They trade kilo
And s9mm was crazy
he is trying to force his old glory back
On genji
Maybe for mer1t
they drop mikeyy striker s9mm and get junbin from o2blast as a second tank
Watch them pick ans to replace kilo
nah if they get merit they win it all
he 18 now
same story as striker
shoudl just retire
Lmao ya
they aint at their 2020 lvl
Proper got to play Genji for one map (I don't remember the game, it was early OW2 OWL season). And his aiming style and overall mechanics looked way better than S9mm.
I'm just giving my opinion as a Genji OTP lol
I never thought I'd say this
but thank fuck they're playing dva
hero
they cant
junbin is still 16
Heesang joins shock next year I think
he is 18
same
he was 17 before the season started wasnt he?
hahahahaha sombra
striker hit big emp
I love
Proper is better but in a genji tracer meta you want proper on tracer
true ig someone has to play Tracer
well if they pick up junbin he will be 18 by october next season
u guys think they going to get a actual main support next?
xd
btw I haven't been following OWL in a while as I said
ah nice eat
bliss is good
so yes
Is proper currently the best Tracer this season?
yes
yes
by far
Possibly
it's between him and kevster
nah kev good
kevster is also fucking ridiculous
who is currently the best Tank this season?
and profit
smurf
Tank player
Kevster has a insane team around him
depends who you ask
Smurf classic
so glad to hear he is still good
It all depends who you ask
it doesnt
he is an OG
but shows
oh also reiner was good for a lil
how good proper is
Watch them drop kilo then put violet on hitscan
there's definitely been a few times glads have trolled and then kevster did kevster things
i still dont understand why they play reiner dva over space dva
Yes just don’t talk about the jq meta
I wonder why “SF SHOCK 2022 BABYYYYYY” thinks proper is the best tracer by far
who else is as good as proper?
Kevster
Lol
only one that compairs is kev
That UV sleep on sombra was bussin
Fr
lol sleep
btw looks like there is a lot of variety in meta rn s that's good to see
it's way more fun to watch
he won 5 titles
before 18
in the hardets region
as well
fucking crazy
he had to back out cuz of Transce
he forced it tho so that's good for future plays
like it was bad
idk if he heard sleep
or good?
but if he didn't then that was super fucking sus
jesus
C9?
because UV could've very easily slept him off that dash
since he can't exactly deflect it
Rip

Are the owl standings correct or kinda glitchy during the games?
reverse sweep incomming lads 🙏
Shock fell off so hard
No
Embarrassing
shock prepped a bad strat
They’re sandbagging
not their meta lets say
according to flame they also suck very hard during sombra metas
but I haven't been paying that much attention
we giving teams free wins since we already locked up for playoffs uknow
Why are you referencing s2 goats
wut
To talk about s5 shock
crusty does not know how to work with sombra
My preds are 3-2 for shock so I'm still sniffing that copium 
History
I'd assume that would be more for the sombra dive metas in like s4 I think
Different game
same
not fucking s2 goats
Different roster
the shock stomper
i mean ur not first
Flame had been irrelevant
Since s2
What are you talking about
huh
Lol
guess he was confident he won't get slept
are we talking about the same flame
I would say that if I haven't seen plenty of other owl genjis go for bad blades and then get punished
no
I'm talking about flameknightt
the guy in this chat
💀
Oh
Striker truly is the MVP for the Atlanta Reign
Lmaoo
lmfao
@twin bloom thoughts on this support gap
because he could be right, I didn't really pay attention during the later sombra metas too much
Striker gonna retire again 💀
Violet finn look worse than they are
hes already thinking about it
that mf gonna go straight 2 boston
And so do

again
Coluge proper
Shock are just trying to force their old players back thinking they are gonna be playing the same as in their prime
imo
that is not the case
they need new blood
atleast good news today once
bro most of the team are rookies
OWL team
ik
What if shock picks up lip
shock is the most full of new blood
finally
out of any OWL team
until they got striker I think viol2t was the only veteran player
they were going to have super and then he dipped
idk if he would go anywhere near NA
yeah for some reason this season has the most changes and swaps out of any
almost like
3 supports + speed venom
coluge mikeyy proper kilo s9mm finn
a role has been deleted from teh game
teams literally renewd their entire rosters
lmfao
shock has more than atl
If london wins against NYXL they are guranteed top6 right?
Oh
unless you count mikeyy
No
as a veteran
technically mikeyy played 2 maps in OWL in 2020
xd
true but shouldn't only the tank been changed
okay but
if that's the case
he is still a rookie imo
Mikeyy is a rookie
he is yea
Idc
although not by definition
I mean, the game's changing significantly
some people losing interest, roles are picking up new responsibilities, etc.
Violet needs a haircut
He is its like saying fastro was a veteran
In s3
who do u guys think will be the first Alarm roty award kid
i'd say drastically
Proper
OW2 plays so much different to OW1
it does
afree
that combined with no ranked makes the quality of play much much lower than it was in ow1
much to my dismay
Inb4 they're performing bad on purpose so they can do the ultimate reverse sweep for finals Copium
lol
oh its so sad they dont make mvp skins anymore
there will be ranked on day 1 of OW2 tho
yes, but that day is not today
Yessss
only 3 more days
so right now pros cannot grind ranked to practice
2
don't they scrim?
so things like discipline vs. zarya bubbles has to be drilled in scrims
yes, but you don't want to be spending scrim time on basics
finally proper sojourn striker tracer again
scrimtime is much more limited than a player just grinding ranked until they're a demon
atleast they looked solid on it
It will be interesting to see the difference of gameplay in OWL after OW2 gets ranked and players start playing
it will be different I think
I expect it to get way way better
I called it!
Seoul i believe
seoul id say
wins
Dynasty
I played the dragons vs. dynasty match and saw both teams int nano monkeys in the dumbest ways possible
and turned it off
ikr CSGO NA is unheard of
na esports generally has like one or two top teams/players and everyone else is meh
compared to EU CSGO
e.g. optic in val is still arguably best in the world due to how consistent they've been
not that they're still a team but yeah
we can't really compare world
I mean val has had international lans where we've seen international play
it's just that NA players can't compare to EU
csgo failures went to valorant
some do
so they switch to a game where na is actually a major region
lol
they switch to an easier game*
it's just new
Sinatraa😏
he's not
while being a gamer
he's not
what happens when he's 40+ years old
that's cuz OW is way more different game than most of the FPS games in the industry
and spent all of his prime playing valorant
becomes a costreamer
Valorant and CSGO are have way more similarities than anything with Overwatch
what happens if kyedae ddies
tenz dies too
you can look at any game and look how it evolves over time
romeo and juliette story
that's the point
yes valorant is very similar, but we're past the point where you can play valorant like cs and expect to do well
yes but all CSGO pros who go to Valorant have insane aim and crosshair placement, cuz those are transferable
good thing there's more to pro play than that
you can't transfer Valorant CSGO aim skill to Overwatch due to the differnece in aiming style
SPEEDILY???
that's why players looked shit early OW pro play
ARE YOU TROLLING???
babybay baby
that's cuz Overwatch requires way more raw aim overall
Valorant is more crosshair placement
it's not even the mechanics, it's the understanding of the game and the overall strategy
coluge is showing up ngl
e.g. there is absolutely zero aim required to cycle ults
yeah ig
but it still took a hot minute for ow pros to figure out how to do it
I'm saying mechanics wise Valorant esports looks way better due to similar aiming style in CSGO than Overwatch early esports aim
so the thing I will point to are teams that tried to play valorant like cs
you can mark how much the game evolved by how quickly they fell off
also looks way better cuz they actually have a lan for every tournament
xd
with a good setup
they are very similar yes, but they are still markedly different in very important ways
but wasn't like Scream dominating the EU scene (he was a CS player)
yes
because the game is new
so the people that played the similar game are much better off than people who didn't
its not
but as the game evolves that advantage diminishes
not anymore
also cause val is managed by competent
people
how do Widow/Cass players spray
they spray in val
that's why I said "wasn't"
the big big thing that trips up overwatch players is that in overwatch you should always be doing something, whereas in cs and val sometimes you just need to not do anything
that's why I can't stand Valorant
like it or not
my ADHD can't take Valorant
it's a more popular game
I need to do something all the time
than ow
I hate having to have my eyes super focused on my screen for so long
I would say play LoL but that game is also ass
prefer games that let me get away with aiming off gamesense
I still thin OW beats it by far in gameplay, graphics, animations, sound effects
not in gameplay
its so fucking boring in OW
Val has veneer sound effects imo and gameplay
valorant much more hype
Are shock washed now
ow doesn't have a core gameplay
ow is more enjoyable
it's all based on how the heroes interact
valorant has some good moments tho
I wish I enjoyed ow
OW2 has potential tho (I still want them to remove hero locks)
would find it way more fun
but man
ow sucks
if no other game got me quake got me tho
I definitely prefer cs movement yeah
you don't even know how much CS beats Valorant in movement
I do
yes this is why I prefer cs movement
I can appreciate the level of thought that went into valorant's movement mechanics and how they're fit in with the rest of the game
source engine is a fk beast for movement
Man everyone knows tft has the best movement
but I still prefer cs movement
id_tech derived games in general are the gold standard for feel in an fps
the amount of techs you can do in TF2 on source engine is insane
that's why I think Doom is one of the hardest heroes. He is the closest to a hero that comes to the movement skill ceiling of TF2
you have to learn so much shit with him
and execute them on the right time
would decrease aim skill ceiling no?
shock not getting swept pog
no it wouldnt
no
strafe decel would feel horrible
Proper diff
Copium
it'd make aim less reliant on hitbox/animation knowledge
actual dogshit
3-2 shock copium
no decel = SMOOTH
it makes less prediction aiming
3-2 shock copium
and would push gunfights to be more about the mindgame than about knowing where the head is in a certain strafe pattern
more
Alt should have played mirror imo
but prediction aiming is still part of aim skill
Hawk is a good sig
Proper,Proper,Proper
because they have to commit to something
Hawk is a good everything
in ow atm if you fuck up your read you can just change direction again
Yes
reverse sweep bby
in games with strafe decel if you fuck up your read you become much easier to hit
Ngl I confused hawk and punk
Fr Fr
of course it feels bad to use at first when you aren't used to it
because your aim is used to having the instant direction change
and you aren't used to your keystrokes having weight
you're used to being able to just change what you're doing that instant instead of having to know what it is you want to do
no
it just feels bad period
lol
but, gunfights will be way more consistent and dps interactions will be way easier to balance
what games have you tried with strafe decel
man I've been kinda sick lately of OW2 hate as a person actually excited for the game
valorant
That sounds really bad
idk about you guys
csgo
ok
lots of games
overwatch just feels better
It would feel like input delay imo
I need to make that kovaaks scenario
most people don't mind ow movement because most people can't use it
which is insane
become aimer7
no shit? lol
but Overwatch isn't a tac shooter
what are you looking for
because of how fucking braindead it is to use
quake and cod both have strafe decel and don't feel slow as balls
Cod have it?
yes
cod feels horrible
the new ones sure
nah I like new CoD movement
cod is a shit game
even bo4 with its slidedance has it
I tried getting back to it I just can’t lol
putting cod as an example
CoD movement looks really clean even if I haven't played it
damn really helping your case
The slownesses feels horrible
isn't the new MW2 good
no
it's terrible
like dude
the fact that it takes until the top like 1% of the playerbase for people to mash buttons
and you say that I have the skill issue
is insane
I played the beta for like a day
what
I can’t get use to the slow fights after ow
are you talking about
yes
suggesting this
feels like skill issue
on your part
imo
I didn't meet players that knew how to abuse the lack of strafe decel until the gm players in dms
man I've been kinda sick lately of OW2 hate as a person actually excited for the game
idk about you guys
sounds like a you problem
TBH
lmfao
sorry!
Tbh I just love the gun sounds lol
I love everything
it's alright, for some reason only gm players can use the buttons on their keyboard
I played both betas and I could hardly go back to OW1
but it's just because I am not good enough
and your genius solution is
to make the game feel shittier to play
adding something that feels fine if you have a brain
also I'm a Genji player, finally excited that my hero is not in trash tier
is a good thing
lack of strafe decel is a crutch
bails people out of shit reads
sad that you need to defend a crutch
but oh well
surelyt
need to make things slow i guess
owl players would be able to hit it then right
bad aim
yes
Game mechanics shouldn’t inferior with aim imo
surely an owl widow has never looked at a support in the open and given up because they wouldn't be able to kill in time
its crazy that they do

its crazy dude
tbh there are strafe patterns for every hero that you need to learn
surely I didn't watch ansansniper stare at a baptiste nowhere near cover and change targets as soon as he saw the bap look at him
surely that has never happened
As a tracer player we just spray lol
mhm
also this happens
yeah you just switch targets when a target becomes aware of you
in valorant too
when do you look at someone who's in the open and look away instead of taking the shot
it's an example of something I see constantly
when he looks at you
because I actually can see how fucking gunfights work
it is easier
to shoot
at the guy
looking at you first
do you ever
use your brain
i wonder

why would you look away from the guy looking at youw
what
in valorant
if a guy is looking at you why would you change targets
why are we comparing them
idk ask levy
ttk is way faster in Valorant
yes
so according to levy, you switch targets when your current target looks at you but also it's stupid to not shoot the guy looking at you first
there is a philosophy of aiming that Arrge explained in a video
oh my god
jel used
please tell me it's intelligent
one specific case
most aim theory shit is fucking stupid
it's actually really useful
no its not
it is
no other video did it for me but that one
its not
it was realy good
you are so dumb
I'm sorry you can't see
but I actually can see intent in someone's aim and movement
omg guys one time ans looked at another player
you can check out the Arrge aim videos
holy fucking shit
he explains it very well
!!
I'll look at it
you clearly cant
most aim videos are either wrong or hyperspecific
sadly
he has 2 parts on it
your intelligence
surefour typically makes good shit
it's mainly for Hanzo/Projectile heroes, but it could work on hitscan as well
anything
i saw
that video
quite good
yeah I haven't seen an aim video as good as this
every aim video is usually "hey guys go here and grind grind grind until you become an aimbot"
is it the one from two years ago or is it more recent
Arrge was explaining philosophy of reacting enemies, aiming and giving scenarios and slowing them to explain his thoughts in the moments
oh shit did someone actually make the video I've been thinking about making since like 2018
it's the "Secret tips for aiming one"
part 1 and part 2
the secret to perfect aim?
it's crazy how proper can walk into the backline, miss a shot and live
🧹 🦀 🧹 🦀
part 1 is like
the bare minimum for duel mindgames
is it
what?
Reverse sweepable ish
Reign being knocked out of playins by London would be the best timeline
great video, doesn't cover using your movement to control gunfights but I don't expect that from an ow video because it's fucking moot when they can instantly change directions anyway
we needed super genji rn
honestly
london fans deserve nothing imo
unless they were a 2021 london fan
dallas fans deserve nothing imo
I can confirm they are a disgrace to cloud 9
the element mystic core is cool
owl fans deserve nothing frankly
Ultra based
element mystic core
nahh
id give glads some respecc
hackfist was some cringe behavior
it's crazy how shock got away with a doomfist orisa composition
sp9rk1e hanbin fielder is a legendary core
i wish there was an interaction with sigma eliminates orisa
commenting about her no longer having a shield
wtf atlanta
Pauserwatch
Wait... when did they resign striker?
I can't recall how many pauses are allowed due to tech
SO BASED
Speedily use ult challange. Impossible
shock will lose here imo
pausewatch
Ice man 🥶
Another pause
ATL only being good on echo comps
how many fucking pauses
Can they at least tell us the problem lol

why doesn’t alt just play sig?
did caster say bad word
