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last nimbus
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Yeah

mint crow
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oh

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BE > NL tho

faint tapir
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How is coluge on zar?

static pond
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No one’s knows

faint tapir
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why dont they run the zar comps

static pond
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Has he even played zarya?

twin bloom
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He is good on all ots

mint crow
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when he needed to xd

faint tapir
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im not sure but he is a off tank

mint crow
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like 2months ago

mortal cipher
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Lol

worn falcon
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who plays echo? proper?

earnest leaf
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proper or s9mm

static pond
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S9mm

last nimbus
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Put proper on zarya and let kilo carry rofl

keen abyss
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it's like playing orisa hog lucio pharah m*rcy on ilios well and having it work and saying hey it worked lets try it on other maps!

mint crow
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yea id put s9mm on echo all day

faint tapir
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prob s9mm

earnest leaf
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could do striker/proper or proper/s9mm

static pond
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We haven’t seen proper echo

keen abyss
mint crow
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atm id like to see s9mm proper more tho

last nimbus
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Have u seen proper zarya

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That man fucks

keen abyss
mint crow
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just gotta get sinatraa back to play the zarya honestly not even trolling

faint tapir
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copium, shock picks super back up

keen abyss
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so mirroring speedily on his best and most warmed up hero would not be wise

static pond
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Lmao why did they use the night vision sounds from a cod game

mortal cipher
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Peli tank

keen abyss
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ew

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sinatraa fanboy

mint crow
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not even trolling

dreamy cave
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IS THAT A NEW HIGHLIGHT INTRO

keen abyss
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lets bring a sex offender back to overwatch league!

dreamy cave
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Thank god

mint crow
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u can hate him as much as u want tho his zarya is fucking nuts

static pond
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Sinatraa would probably get rolled tbh

dreamy cave
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I did not like the last one

keen abyss
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great idea sf shock 2022 babyyyyyyy!

static pond
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Different game

mint crow
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iknow

static pond
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Different players

mint crow
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I should be their scout

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honestly

faint tapir
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tbh

mortal cipher
static pond
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Same thing people said about striker

faint tapir
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they should pick super back up

mint crow
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indeed

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shock needs

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a captain

shut bobcat
earnest leaf
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shock need to not run sombra

faint tapir
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honestly just put striker on tracer then proper on everything else

mint crow
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thats their carry

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not the captain

earnest leaf
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every time they don't play her they look exponentially better

static pond
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Violet is the Captain

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Most likely

mint crow
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he is the most quiet boy on that team

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aint no way

keen abyss
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shock fans be like let's pick up

  1. the guy who willingly retired because he hated the stress of competing, lost passion, and would be much happier with his streaming career and chilling
  2. the rapist
static pond
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Veteran experience

mint crow
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some ppl really dont get sarcasm do they

keen abyss
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💀 💀

faint tapir
mint crow
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jesus

faint tapir
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LOL

mint crow
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might have to pray again

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let people understand sarcasm holy jesus christ have mercy

keen abyss
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"not even trolling, u can hate him as much as u want tho his zarya is fucking nuts" conveys that it is not sarcasm

mint crow
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the not even trolling

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shoudl say enough

earnest leaf
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there we go

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they are mirroring

mint crow
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and its facts tho still

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his zarya was nuts

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xd

keen abyss
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the fact that you are backpedaling but still defending the claim

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says enough

faint tapir
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Proper echo

twin bloom
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Free s9mm

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This is a violation

mint crow
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@faint tapir

faint tapir
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lmao

mint crow
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ppl dont get sarcasm

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sadge

faint tapir
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fr fr

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average shock hater

mint crow
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sarcasm: the use of irony to mock or convey contempt.

faint tapir
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why they have viol2t on ana?

static pond
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Fin on zen

faint tapir
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is his ana not ass?

keen abyss
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internet teenagers still not understanding that people who they've never met can not possibly understand their personality quirks over text

static pond
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Violet on Ana

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Lmao

mint crow
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thats what im saying fam

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switch them around

faint tapir
mint crow
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put sinatraa in for colhuge

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super instead of striker for his genji

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and we win

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its as easy as that

mortal cipher
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lol

faint tapir
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nah but do u guys think that choi will ever come back?

static pond
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Apparently last season Violet hates Ana

shut bobcat
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Bring in Mikey imo

mint crow
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on dps

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yes

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i agree

faint tapir
keen abyss
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shock fans continuing to be the most insufferable people on the planet

mortal cipher
mint crow
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hate it or love it

keen abyss
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monkey is good

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ball is not good

mint crow
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still the best team in owl history

shut bobcat
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Might aswell

faint tapir
mortal cipher
faint tapir
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nah cuz what are these hawk crumples

mortal cipher
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Remech

keen abyss
keen abyss
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you're missing multiple years of practice knowledge etc. that other players got

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you're forever at a disadvantage

mortal cipher
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Yeah

mint crow
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Matthew ''super'' Delisi on his way to Los Angeles Valiant to save the OWL.

mortal cipher
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Unless the moment you get out you practice until you are caught up

supple prism
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kinda crazy that Shock has Striker and Proper yet they are struggling

mortal cipher
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Yeah lol

keen abyss
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striker was like a C tier dps at best this year

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he's big washed

mint crow
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LOL

rare parcel
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haven't been following OWL in a while

mortal cipher
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Yeah tru

supple prism
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Hawk is just offsetting everything

faint tapir
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Do you guys think that it will be hard for striker to comm with him not speaking english in a while?

rare parcel
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what's happening with Shock guys?

static pond
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Striker wash tbh

shut bobcat
faint tapir
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well shock is kinda doing bad rn

keen abyss
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2021-2022 striker is not the same 2018-2020 striker

rare parcel
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they were pretty solid from what I remember at the start of the season

mint crow
static pond
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He not bad

static pond
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He can’t keep@up@imo

shut bobcat
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Actually they’re just sandbagging

rare parcel
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like they were dominating the start of OW2 season

faint tapir
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i thought they were a full korean team

mortal cipher
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Not currently

willow drum
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they're locked for top 3 playoffs seed

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so its speculated

supple prism
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literally just not doing well since the last patch

willow drum
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tehy're giving players

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breaks

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and less scrims

static pond
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Ya

rare parcel
willow drum
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ofc it could be other issues

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but

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we dont know

static pond
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People are saying dragons is also doing the same

mint crow
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lol

mortal cipher
rare parcel
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Striker is too old for this shit man

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he is way past his prime

rare parcel
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I can't deny that he was the best Tracer in the League at one point tho

mint crow
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also didnt havbe access to ow2 after he left boston

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xd

mortal cipher
mint crow
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so didnt play the game they on for months

static pond
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Why did shock just give a bag to striker lol

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For like 4 games

faint tapir
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I mean yeah but i feel like proper is just the better striker currently

mint crow
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he is

static pond
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Duh

mint crow
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he still is the mvp of this season imo

static pond
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Proper way better imo

faint tapir
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and proper is more flexible and it was a useless pickup

mint crow
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ppl saying hanbin cuz he was good in the budget goats meta xd

rare parcel
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Proper imo is the best player in OWL this season

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he is just insane

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both on Genji and Tracer

static pond
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Kev mvp imo

mint crow
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and sojourn aswel

twin bloom
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Its kevin

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Easily

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Or shu

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If you are cringe

faint tapir
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also how u guys feeling about kilo hs?

mortal cipher
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Maybe

twin bloom
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One of those 2

mint crow
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kilo > striker atm

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lol

rare parcel
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id even know why they gave S9mm to play Genji. I can tell just from Proper's aiming style that he has better Genji mechanics

mint crow
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cuz they need proper to do other shit

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xd

faint tapir
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who u guys think going to leave shock after this szn

static pond
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Like play tracer

mint crow
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mikeyy s9mm

mortal cipher
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Striker

static pond
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Striker

faint tapir
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fair

shut bobcat
static pond
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Kilo

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Maybe

mint crow
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and they will get junbin from o2blast as a new tank

mortal cipher
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Back to Boston he goes

rare parcel
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Striker should just leave eSports in general

static pond
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They trade kilo

twin bloom
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And s9mm was crazy

rare parcel
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he is trying to force his old glory back

twin bloom
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On genji

static pond
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Maybe for mer1t

mint crow
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they drop mikeyy striker s9mm and get junbin from o2blast as a second tank

static pond
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Watch them pick ans to replace kilo

faint tapir
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nah if they get merit they win it all

mint crow
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he 18 now

mint crow
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shoudl just retire

static pond
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Lmao ya

mint crow
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they aint at their 2020 lvl

rare parcel
# twin bloom And s9mm was crazy

Proper got to play Genji for one map (I don't remember the game, it was early OW2 OWL season). And his aiming style and overall mechanics looked way better than S9mm.

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I'm just giving my opinion as a Genji OTP lol

forest token
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I never thought I'd say this

mint crow
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proper is crazy on any here

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xd

forest token
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but thank fuck they're playing dva

mint crow
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hero

willow drum
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junbin is still 16

static pond
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Heesang joins shock next year I think

mint crow
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he is 18

faint tapir
mint crow
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now

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i think

willow drum
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hes not

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lmao

mint crow
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he was 17 before the season started wasnt he?

willow drum
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thats max

forest token
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hahahahaha sombra

faint tapir
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striker hit big emp

forest token
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I love

twin bloom
faint tapir
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ah shit they losing now

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nvm

rare parcel
mint crow
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well if they pick up junbin he will be 18 by october next season

faint tapir
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u guys think they going to get a actual main support next?

mint crow
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xd

rare parcel
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btw I haven't been following OWL in a while as I said

faint tapir
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ah nice eat

willow drum
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so yes

rare parcel
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Is proper currently the best Tracer this season?

mint crow
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yes

faint tapir
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yes

mint crow
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by far

mortal cipher
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Possibly

forest token
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it's between him and kevster

faint tapir
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nah kev good

forest token
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kevster is also fucking ridiculous

rare parcel
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who is currently the best Tank this season?

faint tapir
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and profit

faint tapir
forest token
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I haven't been watching apac

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kekw

rare parcel
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Tank player

mint crow
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Kevster has a insane team around him

willow drum
mint crow
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without proper

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shock with be in bits

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this season

rare parcel
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Smurf classic

willow drum
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hanbin and smurf are best

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for mt and ot

forest token
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that doesn't make kevster worse

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lmfao

rare parcel
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so glad to hear he is still good

mortal cipher
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It all depends who you ask

mint crow
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it doesnt

rare parcel
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he is an OG

mint crow
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but shows

faint tapir
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oh also reiner was good for a lil

mint crow
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how good proper is

rare parcel
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who is the chadest Tank tho

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Hadi as I've heard

static pond
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Watch them drop kilo then put violet on hitscan

forest token
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there's definitely been a few times glads have trolled and then kevster did kevster things

faint tapir
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i still dont understand why they play reiner dva over space dva

shut bobcat
forest token
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space locks them into dva

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reiner can also doom and monkey

cunning patrol
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I wonder why “SF SHOCK 2022 BABYYYYYY” thinks proper is the best tracer by far

rare parcel
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I saw the Hadi push ups clip

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absolute unit

cunning patrol
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Kevster

static pond
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Kev

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Lol

cunning patrol
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Lol

faint tapir
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only one that compairs is kev

dreamy cave
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That UV sleep on sombra was bussin

mortal cipher
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Fr

mint crow
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Junbin made 217.507$ at age 16 with overwatch

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whjat the fuck

forest token
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lol sleep

rare parcel
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btw looks like there is a lot of variety in meta rn s that's good to see

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it's way more fun to watch

forest token
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that was

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sus from proper

willow drum
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before 18

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in the hardets region

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as well

mint crow
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fucking crazy

rare parcel
willow drum
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will get 7

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prob

forest token
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no how he played that

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like

willow drum
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i think junbin won his 1st title

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at the ripe age

rare parcel
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he forced it tho so that's good for future plays

willow drum
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of 14

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LMAO

forest token
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the deflect into the early dash

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was weird

rare parcel
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like it was bad

forest token
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idk if he heard sleep

rare parcel
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or good?

forest token
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but if he didn't then that was super fucking sus

mint crow
static pond
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C9?

forest token
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because UV could've very easily slept him off that dash

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since he can't exactly deflect it

mint crow
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and we c9

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ffs

static pond
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Rip

dreamy cave
tribal canopy
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Are the owl standings correct or kinda glitchy during the games?

mint crow
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reverse sweep incomming lads 🙏

wind girder
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Shock fell off so hard

shut bobcat
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No

wind girder
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Embarrassing

forest token
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shock prepped a bad strat

shut bobcat
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They’re sandbagging

mint crow
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not their meta lets say

faint tapir
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copium

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we sandbagging

forest token
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according to flame they also suck very hard during sombra metas

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but I haven't been paying that much attention

mint crow
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we giving teams free wins since we already locked up for playoffs uknow

twin bloom
forest token
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wut

twin bloom
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To talk about s5 shock

earnest leaf
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crusty does not know how to work with sombra

forest token
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when was there a sombra meta outside of bad teams

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in s2

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the sombra was inferior

twin bloom
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"Flame mentioned they such at sombra comps"

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Thats like ancient

wind girder
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My preds are 3-2 for shock so I'm still sniffing that copium COPIUM

twin bloom
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History

forest token
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I'd assume that would be more for the sombra dive metas in like s4 I think

twin bloom
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Different game

forest token
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not fucking s2 goats

twin bloom
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Different roster

fast tusk
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the shock stomper

mint crow
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i mean ur not first

twin bloom
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Since s2

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What are you talking about

forest token
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huh

twin bloom
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Lol

rare parcel
forest token
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are we talking about the same flame

twin bloom
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Are you talking about the houston

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Gm

forest token
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no

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I'm talking about flameknightt

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the guy in this chat

willow drum
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💀

twin bloom
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Oh

hot onyx
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Striker truly is the MVP for the Atlanta Reign

twin bloom
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Lmaoo

forest token
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lmfao

twin bloom
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Why mention

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His take

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Then

willow drum
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@twin bloom thoughts on this support gap

forest token
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because he could be right, I didn't really pay attention during the later sombra metas too much

restive nexus
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Striker gonna retire again 💀

twin bloom
willow drum
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that mf gonna go straight 2 boston

twin bloom
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And so do

wind girder
willow drum
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again

twin bloom
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Coluge proper

willow drum
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agreed

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this is crustay's fault

rare parcel
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Shock are just trying to force their old players back thinking they are gonna be playing the same as in their prime

willow drum
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imo

rare parcel
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they need new blood

willow drum
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shock is full of new blood

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this season

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more than any other

mint crow
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atleast good news today once

forest token
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bro most of the team are rookies

willow drum
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OWL team

rare parcel
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ik

static pond
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What if shock picks up lip

mint crow
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I left elo hell

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to join diamond

willow drum
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shock is the most full of new blood

mint crow
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finally

willow drum
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out of any OWL team

twin bloom
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ATL have more rookies

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I think

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So do paris technically

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Lmaoo

forest token
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until they got striker I think viol2t was the only veteran player

mint crow
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paris just dropped all of EU

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sadge

forest token
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they were going to have super and then he dipped

faint tapir
rare parcel
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yeah for some reason this season has the most changes and swaps out of any

dreamy cave
forest token
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almost like

willow drum
forest token
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a role has been deleted from teh game

rare parcel
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teams literally renewd their entire rosters

forest token
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lmfao

willow drum
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shock has more than atl

tribal canopy
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If london wins against NYXL they are guranteed top6 right?

twin bloom
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Oh

willow drum
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unless you count mikeyy

twin bloom
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No

willow drum
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as a veteran

twin bloom
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You should

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Not

mint crow
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xd

rare parcel
willow drum
rare parcel
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if that's the case

willow drum
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he is still a rookie imo

twin bloom
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Mikeyy is a rookie

mint crow
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he is yea

twin bloom
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Idc

willow drum
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although not by definition

forest token
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I mean, the game's changing significantly

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some people losing interest, roles are picking up new responsibilities, etc.

static pond
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Violet needs a haircut

twin bloom
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In s3

mint crow
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who do u guys think will be the first Alarm roty award kid

rare parcel
twin bloom
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Proper

rare parcel
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OW2 plays so much different to OW1

forest token
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it does

willow drum
mint crow
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except proper

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he mvp

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uknow

willow drum
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it will be proper

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if he gets mvp

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he gets both titles

forest token
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that combined with no ranked makes the quality of play much much lower than it was in ow1

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much to my dismay

mint crow
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imagine

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both titles

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looooool

wind girder
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Inb4 they're performing bad on purpose so they can do the ultimate reverse sweep for finals Copium

forest token
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lol

mint crow
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oh its so sad they dont make mvp skins anymore

rare parcel
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there will be ranked on day 1 of OW2 tho

forest token
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yes, but that day is not today

mint crow
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i wouldve had a mvp shock tracer skin

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omg

tribal canopy
rare parcel
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only 3 more days

forest token
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so right now pros cannot grind ranked to practice

rare parcel
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2

mint crow
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that wouldve been

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so good

rare parcel
forest token
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so things like discipline vs. zarya bubbles has to be drilled in scrims

willow drum
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kai did not join map 3

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unlucky

forest token
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yes, but you don't want to be spending scrim time on basics

mint crow
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finally proper sojourn striker tracer again

forest token
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scrimtime is much more limited than a player just grinding ranked until they're a demon

mint crow
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atleast they looked solid on it

rare parcel
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It will be interesting to see the difference of gameplay in OWL after OW2 gets ranked and players start playing

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it will be different I think

forest token
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I expect it to get way way better

restive nexus
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I called it!

forest token
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esp from apac

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god apac is so troll right now

rare parcel
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?

forest token
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stats? idfk

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I don't pay attention to apac that much either

restive nexus
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Seoul i believe

mint crow
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seoul id say

rare parcel
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wins

supple prism
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Dynasty

mint crow
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I mean how can a team not be first with smurf profit

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in that region

forest token
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I played the dragons vs. dynasty match and saw both teams int nano monkeys in the dumbest ways possible

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and turned it off

mint crow
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xd

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overwatch is the only game where NA is on top of the esports currently

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lel

forest token
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and whaddya know apac got btfo'd at lan

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cod

mint crow
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fair

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valorant NA fell off hard

rare parcel
forest token
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na esports generally has like one or two top teams/players and everyone else is meh

rare parcel
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compared to EU CSGO

forest token
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e.g. optic in val is still arguably best in the world due to how consistent they've been

mint crow
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i downloaded csgo

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played 1 game

forest token
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not that they're still a team but yeah

mint crow
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got 3 cheaters in my game

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uninstalled again

forest token
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na has given up on cs

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everyone's gone to val

rare parcel
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due to the difference in games

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no

forest token
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I mean val has had international lans where we've seen international play

rare parcel
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it's just that NA players can't compare to EU

mint crow
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csgo failures went to valorant

mint crow
forest token
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lol

faint tapir
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anyone know why shock is losing so bad

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any kind of diff?

rare parcel
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they switch to an easier game*

forest token
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it's just new

mint crow
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Sinatraa😏

forest token
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same with ow when it was new

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2016/17 overwatch pro play looks atrocious

mint crow
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he is actually

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living our dream

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having a gf like that

willow drum
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he's not

mint crow
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while being a gamer

willow drum
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he's not

forest token
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you think my dream would be playing valorant all day

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are you high

willow drum
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what happens when he's 40+ years old

rare parcel
willow drum
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and spent all of his prime playing valorant

mint crow
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don is clear

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lol

forest token
willow drum
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isnt more than 130 pounds

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has no life skills

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or common sense

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no thanks

mint crow
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doesnt need to

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kyedae got him

rare parcel
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Valorant and CSGO are have way more similarities than anything with Overwatch

willow drum
mint crow
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tenz dies too

forest token
mint crow
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romeo and juliette story

forest token
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that's the point

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yes valorant is very similar, but we're past the point where you can play valorant like cs and expect to do well

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good thing there's more to pro play than that

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you can't transfer Valorant CSGO aim skill to Overwatch due to the differnece in aiming style

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SPEEDILY???

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that's why players looked shit early OW pro play

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ARE YOU TROLLING???

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aiming from overwatch to valorant is so easy tbh

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other way around

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questionable

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ow to val ye is much easier

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saya the goat

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babybay baby

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that's cuz Overwatch requires way more raw aim overall

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Valorant is more crosshair placement

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coluge is showing up ngl

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im asc 2 on val but just hit dia today

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sadge

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e.g. there is absolutely zero aim required to cycle ults

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yeah ig

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but it still took a hot minute for ow pros to figure out how to do it

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I'm saying mechanics wise Valorant esports looks way better due to similar aiming style in CSGO than Overwatch early esports aim

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so the thing I will point to are teams that tried to play valorant like cs

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you can mark how much the game evolved by how quickly they fell off

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xd

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with a good setup

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they are very similar yes, but they are still markedly different in very important ways

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but wasn't like Scream dominating the EU scene (he was a CS player)

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yes

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because the game is new

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so the people that played the similar game are much better off than people who didn't

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but as the game evolves that advantage diminishes

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most ow players that play val

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only spray

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and cant stand still

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people

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cause they both move

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when u shoot in ow

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the big big thing that trips up overwatch players is that in overwatch you should always be doing something, whereas in cs and val sometimes you just need to not do anything

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like adsing is very good in ow

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not nearly as good in val

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that's why I can't stand Valorant

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like it or not

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my ADHD can't take Valorant

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it's a more popular game

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I need to do something all the time

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than ow

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true

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but overwatch is also unbelievably terrible

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so

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it's a new free to play game with frequent content

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ofc it's more popular

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I would say play LoL but that game is also ass

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prefer games that let me get away with aiming off gamesense

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I still thin OW beats it by far in gameplay, graphics, animations, sound effects

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maybe earlier

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but man

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ow gameplay is fucking terrible

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its so fucking boring in OW

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Val has veneer sound effects imo and gameplay

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valorant much more hype

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ok

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core gameplay

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core gameplay

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without double shields

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Are shock washed now

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and cc

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maybe ow

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OW2

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basically

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ow doesn't have a core gameplay

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ow is more enjoyable

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it's all based on how the heroes interact

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valorant has some good moments tho

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I wish I enjoyed ow

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OW2 has potential tho (I still want them to remove hero locks)

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would find it way more fun

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but man

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ow sucks

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if no other game got me quake got me tho

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I for example can't stand Valorant movement

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as a former CSGO player

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I definitely prefer cs movement yeah

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you don't even know how much CS beats Valorant in movement

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I do

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Valorant movement feels so stiff

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CSGO is just so fluid, fast

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yes this is why I prefer cs movement

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I can appreciate the level of thought that went into valorant's movement mechanics and how they're fit in with the rest of the game

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source engine is a fk beast for movement

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Man everyone knows tft has the best movement

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but I still prefer cs movement

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the amount of techs you can do in TF2 on source engine is insane

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that's why I think Doom is one of the hardest heroes. He is the closest to a hero that comes to the movement skill ceiling of TF2

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you have to learn so much shit with him

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and execute them on the right time

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I still want ow to have strafe decel

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would make the game so much better

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would decrease aim skill ceiling no?

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shock not getting swept pog

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no it wouldnt

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no

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strafe decel would feel horrible

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Proper diff

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Copium

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it'd make aim less reliant on hitbox/animation knowledge

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actual dogshit

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3-2 shock copium

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no decel = SMOOTH

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it makes less prediction aiming

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3-2 shock copium

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and would push gunfights to be more about the mindgame than about knowing where the head is in a certain strafe pattern

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Alt should have played mirror imo

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but prediction aiming is still part of aim skill

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Hawk is a good sig

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Proper,Proper,Proper

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because they have to commit to something

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in ow atm if you fuck up your read you can just change direction again

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Yes

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reverse sweep bby

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in games with strafe decel if you fuck up your read you become much easier to hit

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Ngl I confused hawk and punk

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I've heard they tried it

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but felt horrible

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of course it feels bad to use at first when you aren't used to it

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because your aim is used to having the instant direction change

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and you aren't used to your keystrokes having weight

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you're used to being able to just change what you're doing that instant instead of having to know what it is you want to do

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So like a real gun?

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Lol

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it just feels bad period

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lol

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but, gunfights will be way more consistent and dps interactions will be way easier to balance

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what games have you tried with strafe decel

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man I've been kinda sick lately of OW2 hate as a person actually excited for the game

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valorant

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That sounds really bad

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idk about you guys

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csgo

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ok

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lots of games

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so the tacshooters

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any others?

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overwatch just feels better

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It would feel like input delay imo

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Jel imo

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i hear skill issue

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sadly

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I need to make that kovaaks scenario

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most people don't mind ow movement because most people can't use it

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which is insane

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but Overwatch isn't a tac shooter

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what are you looking for

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because of how fucking braindead it is to use

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it's a fast paced shooter

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especially OW2

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Cod have it?

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yes

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cod feels horrible

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the new ones sure

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That why it feels so fucking slow

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Lmao

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nah I like new CoD movement

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all the cods have it

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even the jetpack cods

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cod is a shit game

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even bo4 with its slidedance has it

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I tried getting back to it I just can’t lol

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putting cod as an example

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CoD movement looks really clean even if I haven't played it

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the new ones are fucking terrible

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but the older ones all have it

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damn really helping your case

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The slownesses feels horrible

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isn't the new MW2 good

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no

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it's terrible

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like dude

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the fact that it takes until the top like 1% of the playerbase for people to mash buttons

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and you say that I have the skill issue

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is insane

static pond
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I played the beta for like a day

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like how is this not something plat players can do

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it's so fucking easy

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I can’t get use to the slow fights after ow

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are you talking about

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suggesting this

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feels like skill issue

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on your part

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imo

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I didn't meet players that knew how to abuse the lack of strafe decel until the gm players in dms

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man I've been kinda sick lately of OW2 hate as a person actually excited for the game

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idk about you guys

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lmfao

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sorry!

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I love everything

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it's alright, for some reason only gm players can use the buttons on their keyboard

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I played both betas and I could hardly go back to OW1

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but it's just because I am not good enough

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to make the game feel shittier to play

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adding something that feels fine if you have a brain

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to accomodate shit players

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hahaha

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hilarious

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also I'm a Genji player, finally excited that my hero is not in trash tier

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is a good thing

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lack of strafe decel is a crutch

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bails people out of shit reads

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sad that you need to defend a crutch

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but oh well

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sad that you cant just aim

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oh well

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surelyt

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need to make things slow i guess

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owl players would be able to hit it then right

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bad aim

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Game mechanics shouldn’t inferior with aim imo

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surely an owl widow has never looked at a support in the open and given up because they wouldn't be able to kill in time

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its crazy that they do

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its crazy dude

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tbh there are strafe patterns for every hero that you need to learn

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surely I didn't watch ansansniper stare at a baptiste nowhere near cover and change targets as soon as he saw the bap look at him

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surely that has never happened

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As a tracer player we just spray lol

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its easier

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to shoot someone

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looking at you

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mhm

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that's why he changed targets

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I see

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yeah you just switch targets when a target becomes aware of you

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in valorant too

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what

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when

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one specific case

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when do you look at someone who's in the open and look away instead of taking the shot

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do you want

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a cookie?

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lol

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it's an example of something I see constantly

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because I actually can see how fucking gunfights work

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to shoot

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at the guy

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looking at you first

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do you ever

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use your brain

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i wonder

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why would you look away from the guy looking at youw

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what

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in valorant

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if a guy is looking at you why would you change targets

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why are we comparing them

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idk ask levy

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ttk is way faster in Valorant

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yes

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actually suspecting and unsuspecting targets do exist

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aim is not all mechanic grind

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so according to levy, you switch targets when your current target looks at you but also it's stupid to not shoot the guy looking at you first

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there is a philosophy of aiming that Arrge explained in a video

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oh my god

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jel used

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please tell me it's intelligent

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one specific case

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most aim theory shit is fucking stupid

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and thinks

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he is so smart

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good job

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holy shit

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no its not

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it is

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no other video did it for me but that one

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its not

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it was realy good

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you are so dumb

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I'm sorry you can't see

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but I actually can see intent in someone's aim and movement

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omg guys one time ans looked at another player

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you can check out the Arrge aim videos

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holy fucking shit

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he explains it very well

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!!

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I'll look at it

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most aim videos are either wrong or hyperspecific

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sadly

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he has 2 parts on it

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your intelligence

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surefour typically makes good shit

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is not enough

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to comprehend

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it's mainly for Hanzo/Projectile heroes, but it could work on hitscan as well

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anything

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that video

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quite good

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yeah I haven't seen an aim video as good as this

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every aim video is usually "hey guys go here and grind grind grind until you become an aimbot"

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is it the one from two years ago or is it more recent

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Arrge was explaining philosophy of reacting enemies, aiming and giving scenarios and slowing them to explain his thoughts in the moments

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oh shit did someone actually make the video I've been thinking about making since like 2018

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part 1 and part 2

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the secret to perfect aim?

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#1 and #2

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ight I'll look at it

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not having video chapters is so annoying lol

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agreedd

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best thing YT did

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in a while

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oh shitttt

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2-2

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it's crazy how proper can walk into the backline, miss a shot and live

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🧹 🦀 🧹 🦀

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is it

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yes

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part 2 he indirectly mentions telegraphs so we'll see what this covers

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i'll giuve ait a look

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later

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Reverse sweepable ish

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Reign being knocked out of playins by London would be the best timeline

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Curious about no kai tbh

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It works though

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we threw that so hard

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wtf

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great video, doesn't cover using your movement to control gunfights but I don't expect that from an ow video because it's fucking moot when they can instantly change directions anyway

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we needed super genji rn

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honestly

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unless they were a 2021 london fan

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dallas fans deserve nothing imo

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the element mystic core is cool

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owl fans deserve nothing frankly

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element mystic core

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nahh

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pioneered hackfist

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which was based

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id give glads some respecc

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hackfist was some cringe behavior

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it's crazy how shock got away with a doomfist orisa composition

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sp9rk1e hanbin fielder is a legendary core

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how sombra doomfist was a thing at some point

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and how halt used to be 7m

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i wish there was an interaction with sigma eliminates orisa

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commenting about her no longer having a shield

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wtf atlanta

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Pauserwatch

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this shit

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is actually illegal

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this is icing

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Wait... when did they resign striker?

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I can't recall how many pauses are allowed due to tech

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Speedily use ult challange. Impossible

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shock will lose here imo

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pausewatch

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Ice man 🥶

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Another pause

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ATL only being good on echo comps

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how many fucking pauses

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This stage

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Is biting them

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Hard

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Can they at least tell us the problem lol

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why doesn’t alt just play sig?

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did caster say bad word