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#esports-discussion
trail perch
cunning patrol
C9 was some asssss stage 2
karmic charm
so was tgrd
devout path
Mid9
cunning patrol
Fns going to 100t 💯💯💯
twilit oriole
Sr reset is happening lol
tropic herald
but since i watch owl i will be higher sr 
deft wolf
chengdu hunters vs seoul would be an interesting match
hoping chengdu beats the dynasty, even if its very unlikely
fathom igloo
Sr reset is happening lol
How is it funny it's a good thing
forest token
lmfao
uncut drum
chengdu hunters vs seoul would be an interesting match
oh yeah that will be fun
fast tusk
london that low ??
earnest leaf
why is outlaws 2nd
cloud latch
I don't get why glads is underrated with the coaching line and players
earnest leaf
the two teams they played are 6th/7th in that ranking
uncut drum
scuffed chatplat
i think charge and hunters are very close
valiant could be higher but we need to see them vs the dragons
karmic charm
i hate them but i know there better then florida nyxl, bru
why do u hate london
also they're better than Defiant too
cedar oasis
I don't get why glads is underrated with the coaching line and players
boomed players
twilit oriole
How is it funny it's a good thing
Good thing for you bronze players
I’m tryna keep masters
fathom igloo
Good thing for you bronze players
I'm gold but whatever kid
I also understand the game a lot better then you cause I play PC
karmic charm
bait?
fathom igloo
?
fathom igloo
I'm just saying masters on console is different then masters on PC
also the kid is probablly lying about being masters
twilit oriole
I also understand the game a lot better then you cause I play PC
That makes no sense
You being gold on PC doesn’t mean you have better game sense
twilit oriole
I could prolly still roll you on console even when you play on PC
twilit oriole
masters on console is > gold on pc 😭
Bro think the pc is giving him a buff💀
karmic charm
i was diamond/low masters on xbox and got plat/diamond on pc, gamesense doesnt change its just if u can adapt to mnk which isnt hard
twilit oriole
@fathom igloo scenario: you have blade, it’s 1-1 99-99 on control, final minutes are here, you can touch with blade but your Ana has nano and is on her way, do you use blade or wait for nano?
twilit oriole
i was diamond/low masters on xbox and got plat/diamond on pc, gamesense doesnt c...
Ye
fathom igloo
<@156792625083449344> scenario: you have blade, it’s 1-1 99-99 on control, fina...
In reality if you are coming from spawn all your cool downs are ready so you could dash on to point and pull out blade also by then you could switch to someone with a faster move speed to get on point quicker IE solder tracer
Also depends the other team is playing if they are playing ball d.va for example then you can't pull blad out quick enough
candid radish
<@156792625083449344> scenario: you have blade, it’s 1-1 99-99 on control, fina...
Easy you go for hero dash straight off the map
sullen berry
I don't get why glads is underrated with the coaching line and players
Probably rating Glads dps without ANS and patiphan quite heavily if they're out of top 3 sitting under atlanta
Shanghai sandbagging underneath guangzhou is satisfying until it all unravels during playoffs
willow drum
<@156792625083449344> scenario: you have blade, it’s 1-1 99-99 on control, fina...
prolly just loses the point if he doesnt touch with blade no
in that scenario you try to blade to at least kill 2
and then hope someone survives long enough for ana to nano
and maybe swing
fathom igloo
I mean by then your tanks or at least one tank should be back
unless they have a cass, mei, junk ect
willow drum
ok....
keen abyss
scuffed chatplat
houston
lost to boston uprising
and they put houston 2 spots above glads
after glads beat vancouver dropping like 3 teamfights
lost thicket
Dynasty/Dragons/Dallas/Shock/Glads are the locked in top 5, do you think a Dynasty 2020 is gonna happen? or will the last 2 be one of these 5?
vagrant cargo
I also understand the game a lot better then you cause I play PC
I peaked 4.3k on PC and can tell that ur knowledge isn't even close to forgoodkings..
last nimbus
Dynasty/Dragons/Dallas/Shock/Glads are the locked in top 5, do you think a Dynas...
I could see it happen yeah
lost thicket
who do you think it's gonna be? justice? outlaws ?
next mesa
Dynasty/Dragons/Dallas/Shock/Glads are the locked in top 5, do you think a Dynas...
dynasty will win
the entire thing
no bias tho
tropic herald
I peaked 4.3k on PC and can tell that ur knowledge isn't even close to forgoodki...
🥱 i peaked 4301 loser
lost thicket
shock or dallas winning it imo
limpid grail
the only real difference between console and pc is the idea that you can get away with a lot of stuff against hitscan players
next mesa
dallas vs seoul finals
fathom igloo
Imagine gloating about a virtual number that means zip to the outside world
limpid grail
and even then AA exists
lost thicket
however smurf differential
Proper would diff profit ngl
cloud latch
<@156792625083449344> scenario: you have blade, it’s 1-1 99-99 on control, fina...
trick question, you go back to spawn and swap to echo
lost thicket
cuz fits will diff that boy kilo
depends, MMGF Kilo was on another level during dorado, it's just no one touched sadge
last nimbus
the only real difference between console and pc is the idea that you can get awa...
just the pace of the game is slower
lost thicket
SS was so good, shock on a straight up BAD comp for them, with kilo not doing as good as the stage before, finn on a hero completely new, viol2t on lucio STILL got second place
cunning patrol
Proper goat
twilit oriole
prolly just loses the point if he doesnt touch with blade no
Yeah that’s the simplest way to put it
tiny pollen
Proper sweep
twilit oriole
unless they have a cass, mei, junk ect
Your tanks should still get back even when they have those heroes💀
fathom igloo
Your tanks should still get back even when they have those heroes💀
Not necessarily depending on the map the mei could wall off point cass could flash the tank
twilit oriole
Not necessarily depending on the map the mei could wall off point cass could fla...
Flashing and walling the tank should already be aware about
There’s more than one way to just touch point
You don’t need to fight you just need to trigger OT
limpid grail
blade to touch point then back off
you should have double jump so just wall climb away somewhere
wait until ot runs down then touch on
use deflect if necessary
then someone should be back again and you should be able to nano a tank to take space
I'm highly against raw blade going for kills because half the cast just doesn't give two hecks
like optimally they have a zen you can zone in on but I feel like 2 kills would be tough even for pros
fathom igloo
Didn't he say that it was already OT
limpid grail
if it's already OT then you have to blade to touch point
twilit oriole
Pats gold pc game sense Is showing rn
limpid grail
or did I add a word somewhere
lost thicket
Season 1 Boston would fuck in this meta ngl
Mistakes/Striker on the sombra tracer, Kalios/NotE/Gamsu would be so good on all the tanks and Kellex/Neko/Aimgod would be decent on stuff like lucio ana
limpid grail
I barely remember season one Boston existed
just like how I barely remember LA valiant being in LA
lost thicket
true but still, Mistakes was top tier on BOTH sombra and tracer
striker is the goated tracer
Gamsu and Fissure are the best OW1 Main tanks if they got under better teams imo
and the supportline is ok to mid
lost thicket
Gamsu and Fissure are the best OW1 Main tanks if they got under better teams imo
unironically fissure and gamsu would be better then fearless and any other main tank imo if given better coaching/trajectory imo, a big what if for me
buoyant jacinth
They would be bottom 3
lost thicket
I think I am just Bias but like I will die on that hill
cloud latch
unironically fissure and gamsu would be better then fearless and any other main ...
... how
lost thicket
idk this is probably just rose tinted but I feel like gamsu was one of the best mts in Season 1 n 2 and was VERY talented just that dallas was shit S3 and it's hard to be good as tank when team is bad, fissure would not stay committed but was great until the end, straight up if he could stay on a good team for longer then a season he would be one of the GOATS imo
this is lowkey a shit opinion that I will stand by till I die
cloud latch
at least we can agree that it is a bad opinion
lost thicket
ok but fissure tho
cloud latch
I do feel sorry for fissure
but I do not believe he could peak as high as fearless
he could of def been good tho if that titans collapse didn't happen
should*
not could
lost thicket
I unironically, with a straight face believe that if fissure was on one of the top teams in S3 he would be diffing fearless
Like
I know everyone is looking at me like I'm crazy
but yeah this guy was so fucking goated
if only he didn't look for a new team every 6 months
lost thicket
I unironically, with a straight face believe that if fissure was on one of the t...
this is the first time I am being 100% serious about a take, fissure had that DOG in him, if he was on dragons they win 2020 gf trust trust
buoyant jacinth
Cope
lost thicket
I feel like that one image of the crazy dude with a board full of random shit trying to prove my theory
lost thicket
https://tenor.com/view/charlie-day-gif-18564553
Yeah bro is legit me trying to convince y'all that fissure COULD have been the best OW1 Main tank and that Gamsu a close contender
COULD
next mesa
I unironically, with a straight face believe that if fissure was on one of the t...
He was
Titans was gonna win the whole season
Everyone knew
Ryujegoat + haksal
Common fact that Sean millers paid vancouver to fuck the playets
lost thicket
I somewhat wonder what would happen if titans stayed together throughout the whole season
goat tier roaster
twin bloom
Dude was benched for marvel
And most overrated MT
Of s1
IMO
Fate has always cleared
And so did gesture
vagrant jacinth
I'm a big fan of fissure so I agree
buoyant jacinth
I somewhat wonder what would happen if titans stayed together throughout the who...
They'd be mid
fathom igloo
Nah they would be top 5
buoyant jacinth
They wouldn't
buoyant jacinth
Top 2 from the bottom yeah
fathom igloo
you just like to argue "catjam"
buoyant jacinth
Cope
twilit oriole
Why do you quote catjam
buoyant jacinth
He owns nobody
fathom igloo
Catjam sees me and tries to argue
cunning patrol
Yeah i noticed that too...
willow drum
Catjam sees me and tries to argue
Don't let that fraud
tamper in your academic discussions
as you try to enlighten
the rest of thus channel
with your GOAT takes
fathom igloo
I honestly believe it runaway titans didn't fold they would be a power house still
tropic herald
lol
twilit oriole
@fathom igloo pat where di you live I wanna come over and play Pokémon
keen abyss
Dynasty/Dragons/Dallas/Shock/Glads are the locked in top 5, do you think a Dynas...
glads vs atlanta grand finals
4-0
for glads
keen abyss
I'm gold but whatever kid
wait i missed this LMAO
lost thicket
Dude was benched for marvel
more so cause he wasn't up to playing imo
lost thicket
Fate has always cleared
Fate wasn't GOOD till S3
olive edge
thats a lie.
lost thicket
he was decent on valiant, really good S3 and great S4
but even then only really on Orisa/Ball
cunning patrol
but with top 4 instead of 2nd
Their failures are not as bad as Philly
they overperform in those placements
Unlike phillay
earnest leaf
apac strong region btw
tropic herald
tbf philly is an anomaly and also thats like saying uh
cunning patrol
https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-gif-20773266
They are a playoff team
tropic herald
atlanta or toronto having a negative record means the region is shit
cunning patrol
Until they aren’t
tropic herald
which is completely feaseable given their current records
tropic herald
They are a playoff team
i mean yea its just this
valiant is 5-15 in last place and paris is 1-19 in last place so given this information na is a shit region
twin bloom
Unlike phillay
Philly overperformed atl performed as expected
cunning patrol
Philly overperformed atl performed as expected
I am speaking
About Previous phillay
If the context did NOT say that
limpid grail
ATL is a good team who just regularly performs mid
limpid grail
like Philly are unfortunately trapped in a region with two powerhouses, the spark, and Jimmy
so if they are mid they lose
until the spark starts realizing people know how to kill shy
sullen berry
philly is currently in 3rd in apac with a negative recor
Shanghai -3 Dragons, rare sandbag era in full force
Now the scoreboard says -4, but after this weekend's matches they gotta make a convincing comeback and at worst go to map 5 against philly if not Spark 
tropic herald
tropic herald
Shanghai -3 Dragons, rare sandbag era in full force
Soon
lost thicket
which guy called me a tard
vagrant cargo
he was decent on valiant, really good S3 and great S4
Blud said decent on valiant
He was top 2 in S1 monkey and rein diffing the likes of Mano and fissure
lost thicket
bro ngl
vagrant cargo
🥱 i peaked 4301 loser
4.309 to be exact L
lost thicket
I kinda forgot his S1 days but when I did watch it he was like, good but not HOLY SHIT
vagrant cargo
Then u don't understand MT play
He did an incredible job setting up his mediocre dps line
lost thicket
he was def a good mt just not like considered the best clearly there were many above him
vagrant cargo
"Many"
There was none at the end
If we look at the whole season he was the best with mano
vagrant cargo
Fissure>gamsu
lost thicket
ngl not gonna argue cause I need to rewatch S1 LAV
lost thicket
but like, gamsu, fissure, gesture and mano were all on the same tier/slightly below or higher at different points from what I remember
vagrant cargo
Yeah in stage 2 where valiant were diggidy dogshit
lost thicket
in S1
tropic herald
4.309 to be exact L
My bad, meant 4310 🥸
vagrant cargo
Yeah ok u won...
tropic herald
sullen berry
frosty shell
geez thats loud
uncut drum
https://twitter.com/FroggerOW/status/1575080434438119430
wtf
tiny pollen
Fissure s tier
hazy marsh
https://tenor.com/view/sparkle-on-its-wednesday-dont-forget-to-be-yourself-jerma...
Jerma!
uncut drum
I want to see shock go 0-2 in playoffs
They could lose more matches this weekend
lost thicket
Dynasty Vs shock
That was 2020 tho yeah I also want this
would be good for either side
rookies get a gf appearance or championship, veterans get their first or second big win in owl
lost thicket
I disagree with every mvp choice since Jjonak now that I think about it
sinatraa was ok but it should have been super or Choi, 2020 should have been someone like carpe, 2021 LIP
ebon aurora
Are there any NA matches today?
fathom igloo
I love them doing these
balmy wolf
shock #2
limpid grail
the alphayi clip at 0:35 is so godlike
worn falcon
Twitter
static pond
Contenders will probably end up dying tbh
trim shadow
https://twitter.com/Talon_esports/status/1575379718639353857
Right. As ow2 launches
Ptp is dead but its now all bones
uncut drum
Overwatch 2 has to be massive or the OWL is gone
They need to stick to their promises
And we got to wish Microsoft helps
balmy basin
OWL is dying and its rlly sad, bad managment and poor funding is a big problem within the teams. There are a lot of youtube vidoes on the details. I agree
lost thicket
Kiriko fs or ms
keen abyss
And most overrated MT
didnt his signing singlehandedly turn gladiators from a mid team to a title contender
?
forest token
a lot of that is down to the prep/coaching
they look more disciplined than the apac teams
forest token
oh you're talking fissure not reiner lmfao
I wasn't paying tooo much attention to glads back then ngl
slender cedar
Will this game consistently have as many viewers as valorant on twitch when it comes out????????
fathom igloo
Who knows
keen abyss
oh you're talking fissure not reiner lmfao
glads would've been a high tier team without reiner
forest token
riot knows how to manage their esport
keen abyss
a mid tier mt they still would've been good
forest token
atvi-blizz had bobby kotick at the helm
keen abyss
and even if they had a shit MT they only really suffer in hard MT metas
willow drum
Will this game consistently have as many viewers as valorant on twitch when it c...
Never
not even half
willow drum
Kiriko fs or ms
She’s like Zen
devout path
Valorant has over 800k concurrent viewers in groups
willow drum
Valorant has over 800k concurrent viewers in groups
does this count sea
devout path
Kiriko fs or ms
Doesn’t exist
willow drum
Or eu or latan
devout path
does this count sea
It counts everyone
willow drum
It counts everyone
Not surprised imo
willow drum
Good esports scene
devout path
Obviously it would have big viewership
twin bloom
didnt his signing singlehandedly turn gladiators from a mid team to a title cont...
They went from 4-6 to 6-4 not that crazay.
trim shadow
Will this game consistently have as many viewers as valorant on twitch when it c...
No
With val breaking into franchising the trajectory will probably follow@leauge franchising
trim shadow
Kiriko fs or ms
Both
trim shadow
They need to stick to their promises
This statement aged well
lapis olive
Mercy can suck the poop outta my ass like a vacuum sucks stuff outta the floor, then spit it back into my mouth as we have a two girls one cup session exept I’m a guy. Pleas. I want to fuck mercy
fathom igloo
?
fathom igloo
That's just gross
twilit oriole
That's just gross
You watch bastion porn…
fathom igloo
You watch bastion porn…
I don't
cunning patrol
i take most of the league over him ;100
static pond
Bruh he can’t even handle a lost before he gets piss
tropic herald
lost thicket
Bruh he can’t even handle a lost before he gets piss
So?
Season 1 best tracer, Season 2 a key to shocks playoffs runs
earnest leaf
Maybe he'll be there for playoffs?
lost thicket
season 3 best tracer
?????
"he's a crybaby when losing"
he's a god when winning
earnest leaf
a lot of stuff on striker is things from s1 or small tidbits from ta1yo iirc
Hard to say how he actually is without someone like super or moth just dumping shit
earnest leaf
no shot striker gets signed
static pond
Sbb was the best tracer in s1 imo
lost thicket
Bench proper because blind
yeah pretty much
lost thicket
Sbb was the best tracer in s1 imo
they were head to head at least
static pond
Ya
Wast it profit
Sbb,profit then striker
But the league leveled up by a big gap
cunning patrol
bro is legit the best tracer of OW 1
It is a new game
He has not scrimmed for months
And wasn’t even that good when he was playing
Legend of the game but he’s not that guy anymore idk why ppl still think he is
lost thicket
And wasn’t even that good when he was playing
he was on boston
boston without punk
it's like
no shit he wasn't great
earnest leaf
Remember
lost thicket
give mans a chance
earnest leaf
Huk intentionally signed striker to boom him and ruin his image
lost thicket
he got that dawg in him
static pond
Leave also on a team that sucked
static pond
Look how good leave looked lol
lost thicket
I think give striker a chance he'll pop off
cunning patrol
Lol
lost thicket
my goat
static pond
He gonna he rolled
cunning patrol
Yeah he’s been out of the game for 2 months but he’s gonna be back guys!!!!!
lost thicket
Look how good leave looked lol
even leave wasn't that good lmao
static pond
Plus
static pond
Why would you play striker over proper
earnest leaf
unless proper's eye is unironically fucked
lost thicket
I highly doubt they are gonna sign striker as a player
proper eye issues
sign another top tier dps, let proper rest
remember pelican neck issues
static pond
Watch them lie about Heesang age then sign him
willow drum
Watch them lie about Heesang age then sign him
very doable
lost thicket
so imagine that atlanta got some other fdps to cover for pelican during that
earnest leaf
the issue is striker really only covers HS stuff
static pond
Most are in contenders
earnest leaf
and the slight off brand HS heroes like reaper/hanzo/sym/junk
Where as proper plays every dps
static pond
Who you take profit or striker?
earnest leaf
depends
lost thicket
reaper, hanzo, sym, junk, tracer, sombra, main hitscan
static pond
I feel like profit able to keep up with new talent
lost thicket
Who you take profit or striker?
On tracer striker 100%
overall probably profit
cause main fdps and ashe
static pond
I take profit on tracer tbh
willow drum
On tracer striker 100%
shut up imo
static pond
He shows he can keep up
lost thicket
I take profit on tracer tbh
nah
willow drum
profit tracer is better
lost thicket
shut up imo
Striker is the best tracer
willow drum
maybe not mechanically
willow drum
Striker is the best tracer
he was never
the best tracer
in OW1
and he will not be
the best tracer
in OW2
willow drum
legit in the first 3 seasons he was
So then he was the greatest tracer
but at the end of S4
static pond
Not season 1
earnest leaf
it is hard to say who is a better tracer atm, as we haven't seen striker tracer in ow2
willow drum
multiple people were better
lost thicket
in season 4 he quit halfway through
willow drum
it is hard to say who is a better tracer atm, as we haven't seen striker tracer ...
profit got diffed by venom in a gap
static pond
it is hard to say who is a better tracer atm, as we haven't seen striker tracer ...
That is true but the league also leveled up by a lot since striker
lost thicket
showings but not demeaning to how GOOD he was
willow drum
proper was > striker
earnest leaf
hot take
willow drum
in s4
earnest leaf
the league never really levels up
earnest leaf
The league only sheds dogshit players
lost thicket
Not season 1
Top 2 and he wasn't number 2
static pond
He wast top 2
willow drum
as well
earnest leaf
overall skill of players imo isn't that different season to season, just the shit ones get dropped
lost thicket
NAH
willow drum
overall skill of players imo isn't that different season to season, just the shi...
so then the if the shit ones get dropped
lost thicket
striker was def the better tracer then profit
willow drum
the overall skill increases
static pond
Nyxl had shit coaches tho lol
tropic herald
overall skill of players imo isn't that different season to season, just the shi...
do you think before you talk
lost thicket
maybe in S3 you could make the argument but not S1
willow drum
do you think before you talk
he doesn't lmao
earnest leaf
I forgot I have to in depth explain what I mean
willow drum
because if you remove the ones who undercut the average
the average increases
does it not
tropic herald
you dont have to explain in depth if your first point is written well
i can see what sentiment you might mean but its just not something you should expect to be pulled out with your wording
😭
static pond
If you@put s1 nyxl in the league rn they wouldn’t be able to win imo
earnest leaf
When I see "level up", to me it implies that individual players have greatly improved season to season, like saying profit is a different breed in s5 compared to s4, where I think there isn't a big difference
tropic herald
your point would basically say that jjonak in s1 is equal to shu right now
earnest leaf
Yes the average skill level of the league improves, but I don't think current players massively improve season to season all the time
willow drum
so you're saying players dont really improve
earnest leaf
I'm saying the improvement of players is greatly overstated season to season
Yes they obviously get better
But not some extreme improvements outside of certain scenarios
tropic herald
thinking about the diff of echo play from s3 to s4 rn
worn falcon
I would argue if anything Kevster/Danteh have step up
in comparison to previous seasons
earnest leaf
thinking about the diff of echo play from s3 to s4 rn
new heroes of course are gonna be a bit different since people can improve quickly on new heroes compared to old heroes
worn falcon
and its hard to compare when veterans get dropped and hires contendies
static pond
static pond
Lmao
worn falcon
https://twitter.com/sfshock/status/1575607053850058752?s=46&t=z7oSAC-k9V3yrUyLBS...
based
smh
earnest leaf
Inb4 striker here to one trick sombra
buoyant jacinth
Shock are done for #real
worn falcon
https://twitter.com/sfshock/status/1575607053850058752?s=46&t=z7oSAC-k9V3yrUyLBS...
Not Sinatraa :(
cunning patrol
?
worn falcon
Inb4 striker here to one trick sombra
Who gonna play Tracer? Kilo? s9mm?
willow drum
Not Sinatraa :(
?
earnest leaf
Proper not getting benched
worn falcon
Bros a sinatrass fan
lmao, projecting much?
willow drum
did you saw the vid? which were OG shocks? and the joke is on siantraa?
💀
buddy be quiet
i get the joke but
shock obviously arent signing
s*natraa
worn falcon
Proper not getting benched
Proper seems injured, becaue the others werent like bad
you dont tell me what to do or say :D
static pond
Also I dont think lack of sombra was a problem for shock it was coach diff imo
hot onyx
https://twitter.com/sfshock/status/1575607053850058752?s=46&t=z7oSAC-k9V3yrUyLBS...
YOOO he’s back for more below average performances!
cunning patrol
YOOO he’s back for more below average performances!
Real…
Shame it took u having massive antiboston bias to make a goat take like this…
hot onyx
my Punk and Faith takes I will admit were incorrect
but it doesn’t take a goat to realise that Striker was a washed up corpse with a big name like Ans
earnest leaf
two scenarios are happening imo
earnest leaf
First is, proper's eye is progressively getting worse, and shock wanted to find someone to hold things down in the meantime
earnest leaf
Second is, shock doesn't fully trust s9mm and kilo on sombra
buoyant jacinth
Clearly violet refuses to play with kilo for more than 2 maps
static pond
Aren’t they locked in already tho
twin bloom
Is better than
buoyant jacinth
Per game
twin bloom
Striked
buoyant jacinth
A mid player
twin bloom
dpei nepotism
Disagree
buoyant jacinth
Crusty did this on purpose just to sign striker
twin bloom
Maybe not in this meta
But teaching mirror
Jq
Was fine even
If false
Was robbed
Imo
willow drum
Okay unironically
"Plz win .. win .. win .. win .."
This is what proper told to striker
and striker said he doesn't have much time left
twin bloom
in summer showdown
That was the right decison
willow drum
I hope it is only for 4 games
twin bloom
Proper souj
buoyant jacinth
he said win 4 times because he wants striker to win the next 4 games
willow drum
(the rest of the regular season)
twin bloom
S9mm genjay
willow drum
he said win 4 times because he wants striker to win the next 4 games
yes agree
twin bloom
Imo
raw ermine
havent talked in this chat in months but
HOLY SHIT STRIKERRRRRRR
mans hopping back and forth between bUP and sfs
vagrant jacinth
Striker?!
next mesa
Wait what the fuck guys striker is back
north relic
Replacing the fraud
tidal marsh
Fuck fuck fuck strikers back
lost thicket
Wait what the fuck guys striker is back
proper rest striker plays
simple
as
striker can play good ashe/cass/sombra/mei/junkrat and a great reaper/hanzo/tracer/pharah
he also played genji
but super diffs all shocks dps on genji
cunning patrol
😭
buoyant jacinth
😭
hot onyx
striker can play good ashe/cass/sombra/mei/junkrat and a great reaper/hanzo/trac...
Man hasn’t watched Striker play since 2020
worn falcon
unless they put Striker on sombra jail and kilo on tracer
lost thicket
Man hasn’t watched Striker play since 2020
that was at his peak, i have faith in crusty since S4 he quit halfway and early boston was a mess
simply put I do not think striker was working at even a good capacity
simple as
lost thicket
uh
wait
yeah?
I think he is actually
didn't he retire after boston S1?
then shock S4
Boston S5
buoyant jacinth
He didn't lol didn't he go straight to shock
willow drum
just 2 times
buoyant jacinth
And in this season he didnt retire
He just got kicked off the team
He only retired after leaving shock
balmy wolf
https://twitter.com/sfshock/status/1575607053850058752?s=46&t=BkxwQgGlf9UnmbKEkY...
What a joke Shock are finished
buoyant jacinth
Proper is injured
restive nexus
they are past deadline
restive nexus
Proper is injured
fr??
restive nexus
oh ok
buoyant jacinth
He played through it last week and he looked noticeably worse
restive nexus
as much as i shit on him i really hope he gets better. he has potential to be the best fdps ever
earnest leaf
he already is
cunning patrol
Not a Shock fan btw
restive nexus
he already is
nah kevster is (totally not a glads fan)
buoyant jacinth
Not a Shock fan btw
I'm not a shock fan either tbh
cunning patrol
I'm not a shock fan either tbh
Yeah alright
buoyant jacinth
I've never said anything positive about that team in my life
cunning patrol
Lies
twin bloom
nah kevster is (totally not a glads fan)
He is
And everybody
Agrees
Kevster was putting up mvp level performancez on a struggling glads
In a low skill meta
restive nexus
so im not crazy?
restive nexus
well i still am but just not on this
restive nexus
i rage if hambin mvp
restive nexus
kevster mvp
twin bloom
Shu is mvp
Their is a reason shock lost in Mm despite having a better player in every position but MT
And FS
And imo it was not the MT gap
Or FS gap
earnest leaf
shock glads was a 50/50 during that meta
restive nexus
yeah true
restive nexus
finn overrated imo
twin bloom
overall skill of players imo isn't that different season to season, just the shi...
Yes a shit player from S5 probably could have been mid table s3
And a shit player from s3
Would have been top tier s1
How is that not levelling up
Lol
cunning patrol
Replace mikeyy with reiner and finn with shu
Disagree
earnest leaf
Yes a shit player from S5 probably could have been mid table s3
did u read the rest of what I said
cunning patrol
I personally believe Shock could have won if not for ODD map losses
twin bloom
I personally believe Shock could have won if not for ODD map losses
Agree
twin bloom
did u read the rest of what I said
Yes it is still a braindead point. Players that were shit in s4 were considered goats in S1
And that is not because the bad players got dropped
It was because more goats joined
earnest leaf
My main point is that individual player skill doesn't drastically change season to season, profit didn't ascend each season to a new level for example
cunning patrol
He did
earnest leaf
nah wtf is that
twin bloom
Shuseph skewed are gonna struggle on that champ while majed rupal go forward to new heights
On that champ
I personally hope this happens
cunning patrol
Shut up
tropic herald
Shuseph skewed are gonna struggle on that champ while majed rupal go forward to ...
Good
cunning patrol
They have lots of defenders imo
Disagree
tropic herald
Playoff patches are dumb but in a fun way
Normally they don’t actually shake up who is actually good but just mid and low tier teams
tropic herald
Ok
So lets look at past playoffs patches and who won grand finals
Shanghai? Was good all year
Shock? Was good all year
Shock? Was good all year
London? Idk S1 was weird
cunning patrol
The only real seasons are s2 and s4
cunning patrol
Seoul literally got 2nd
tropic herald
In all likelihood a team that is already good will win
twin bloom
Which was mid
cunning patrol
After being mid all year
twin bloom
That szn
cunning patrol
In apac too
cloud latch
which teams have been good all year
tropic herald
Glads, Seoul, Shock
cloud latch
seoul?
twin bloom
Were so dominant
cloud latch
didnt they have a down stage
tropic herald
Seoul has been very good all year
tropic herald
They lost to Atlanta
cunning patrol
They were just the best
cloud latch
oh wait I think they just sucked in one of the tourney playofda
tropic herald
Atlanta was also 3rd
twin bloom
They made every final
Yes shock were the best team and deserved to win
tropic herald
Overall
twin bloom
But imo
cunning patrol
S2
twin bloom
Titans
cunning patrol
And s4
tropic herald
So you could basically say Seoul was top 4
cunning patrol
Are the only non Mickey metas
cunning patrol
Disagree
tropic herald
Titans would’ve player better if bumper wasn’t boomed
cunning patrol
Bumper a bitch for that
tropic herald
We will never seen the Bumper sigma
twin bloom
I just believe
tropic herald
In pro play
fathom igloo
Shock are gonna win this weekend
twin bloom
haksal
If he was competant on doom the GF's would have been closer
But sadly nobody was competant on that champ
Hydration(goat) was forced on sigma so he does not count
Imo
buoyant jacinth
Had a doom player
Titans literally had a doom player
I remember the days people were blaming void for glads losing in playoffs
next mesa
If he was competant on doom the GF's would have been closer
disagree
not a haksal diff
team, coaching diff
twin bloom
Titans literally had a doom player
He was bad imo
twin bloom
I remember the days people were blaming void for glads losing in playoffs
It was defraud and dpay's fault
If glads ran hydration doom and void sigma they would have been 2nd
Imo
earnest leaf
I think dpei said he thought they could have beaten titans in that meta
but they ran into shock on their lower bracket run
buoyant jacinth
Didn't glads lose to titans before that game lol
earnest leaf
yea 4-2
fathom igloo
It was defraud and dpay's fault
I mean at the time decay was up there stat wise and was one of the greatest DPS players
Then Dallas ruined him
twin bloom
I mean at the time decay was up there stat wise and was one of the greatest DPS ...
He was a terrible doom
Player
While hydration was a doom one play
Imo
keen abyss
Surefour
fathom igloo
Ew
limpid grail
goatfour
split flume
LANE ROBERTS
brave bear
it's so sad to see that in championships nobody plays junkrat
junkrat could be better used, the fact that it is so easy to get right makes me sad
I was hoping that in overwatch 2 he would have more movement
uncut drum
https://twitter.com/sfshock/status/1575607053850058752?s=46&t=BkxwQgGlf9UnmbKEkY...
what no way this is real
is it Pending league approval
sullen berry
aint no fucking way striker is going back to shock
Anyone would think it's a joke signing but it's very real to cover for Proper
weary latch
when are the finals?
earnest leaf
nov 4th I think
weary latch
what i thought it was today until 4th oct
uncut drum
Nah
earnest leaf
The current week, and next couple of weeks will be the CC qualifers, to see who gets into playoffs, who qualifies for play-ins, and who is out
left sentinel
When will owl play with kiriko patch
uncut drum
Post season
sullen berry
what i thought it was today until 4th oct
Nope, you get to watch some overwatch 2 this weekend and for the next 3 weekends afterwards to see whose the best at OW2 rn
Speaking of which
Time to get cooking before matches start tonight
random tiger
I'm wondering if OW2 is my chance to start watching comp overwatch
never really watched esports except dota
candid radish
OWL's been fun this year
I would recommend. Just be aware that there's some people with horrible takes, namely Sans
vagrant cargo
ironic
candid radish
NTB I'm about to win the world cup with england
limpid grail
cap sans has based takes frfr
frosty cobalt
Is anyone else unable to sign in on the OWL stream?
limpid grail
but honestly yeah I'd say now is the best time to get into OWL because you're finally gonna be able to actually play the game they're watching and earn stuff for it
it's nearly playoffs too and the meta is pretty map dependent but tracer is in favour rn so if you main her you're in luck
new viewers aren't as bogged down by stuff like jq mirrors
sullen berry
I'm wondering if OW2 is my chance to start watching comp overwatch
it is never too late, not better time than right now - ask away any questions you got, we'll be happy to answer
random tiger
tbh when I play ranked I usually land plat, I'm not amazing
and tracer is just beyond my skill to play well
I really wanna be able to find events where people watch the games IRL, but in the UK that's pretty hard to do
I saw a game in LA once and the energy was great, stadium full, it's just its not on my doorstep enough to do regularly
but I'd love to just sit in a bar and watch a game
limpid grail
yeah it's every so often
the issue is with the covid league they essentially had to modify the entire format and then just couldn't do more national homestands and things
although the first one would've been really yikes, now that travel is getting better they might try some new things
limpid grail
I'm going to bet no but that's because of the buyout
random tiger
shame, they were one of a kind
limpid grail
they haven't as of now announced much beyond this year
but I could still see it happening honestly because it is still a convention
random tiger
it must've made money, but in this day and age it's kinda just asking for devs to get caught up in scandal again
sullen berry
but I'd love to just sit in a bar and watch a game
We do watch parties across different OWL servers, might be worth a visit to the more active team discord servers (Dallas, Shock, Justice, Gladiators, Atlanta or Outlaws)
random tiger
ah yeah team discords is a good idea
hollow bough
its not even new LOL
limpid grail
smurf and profit bro
hoary lake
W
limpid grail
fits came in huge with that stall because if they killed him off the sleep they may have been able to flip
split flume
chengdu got a map 
split flume
smurf 
uncut drum
Or Hadi
split flume
smurf clears hadi unfortunately
restive nexus
They reveal the 10 mvp contestants? Just woke up
vagrant jacinth
Chadi, there is no other
uncut drum
Wait proper has a eye injury
restive nexus
Is it on Twitter?
uncut drum
Is it on Twitter?
People are saying that in the chat
And that is why they want striker
sullen berry
@tropic herald @next mesa
trim shadow
<@303883009667629058> <@246445717349072896>
Oof
keen abyss
I would recommend. Just be aware that there's some people with horrible takes, n...
Sans takes >> your takes
sans has been mentally burned by philly he gets a pass on that one
keen abyss
and his Philly takes are less egregious than any defense of london spitfire being more than a below average team
keen abyss
Profit MVP for me. Reiner Roty
bro how is sans gonna get called out when this literally exists
profit isn’t even top 15 in the mvp conversation
there have been at least 5 players better than him at his own role this year
not including people like shu and hanbin on other roles who deserve it 10x more
you could literally bench profit for stalk3r all season and see very little change in results imo
tidal marsh
Oh god yeah
keen abyss
not very ‘mvp’ material
tidal marsh
I totally forgot the other roles could be considered
keen abyss
hanbin shu kevster proper zest vindaim smurf lip shy hawk danteh at the very least
all better mvp candidates than fraudfit
candid radish
MVP is carpe, he’s a real one for being here
uncut drum
I thing they did a bit like most improved as well
keen abyss
I was going to throw kai on my list but decided against it
the only real candidates on that list are lip hanbin Kevin shu and I guess proper
uncut drum
Smurf as well
willow drum
the only candidates on that list
keen abyss
honorable mention to zest for dragging around fixa aimgod
willow drum
are lip hanbin kevin shu proper
uncut drum
Vindam
willow drum
Smurf as well
smurf is good but hes also on a super team
uncut drum
True
uncut drum
Sparkr
willow drum
are as crucial
uncut drum
Maybe
keen abyss
smurf has been solid but not mvp
willow drum
as kevster and shu 2 glads
uncut drum
put sparkr over hadi imo
I might
willow drum
@full lichen no shy mvp
uncut drum
I agree with shy cause he was a bad tank in 2021