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2019?
s2 shock were a lower bracket team
2021 JJ?
i don't care for shanghai
i dont like that team therefore that statistic doesnt count
middling team
I am here to mald at 90% of teams and then nut over the last 10% that plays the game well
not track nerd shit
i am here to have something in my life to consistently look forward to on weekends
I mean it took glads going against it two times in a row till it finally was beat
it’s nice that it doesn’t give away rail charge and she has high burst
but the lack of range of both boosters and matrix makes it seem really easy to poke down
glads did a bit of trolling first time around
I want to know who and why the call to go zar on defense was made
i do not like the doomfist
on offense I get it but defense?
also only having micromissiles while matrixing hurts
if she could shoot while matrixing she’d be way better
if dva could shoot while micro while matrix
she would be so good at just shitting on someone
in a off angle
or 1v1
LOL outlaws are so fucked
outluls are back again 
dude
oh also reign potentially
why did they sledgehammer doom like that
most of their success iirc is off doom
reign was an early doom advocate
but they started moving away iirc
I think doom is a little sleeper
I mean
the only reason he saw more play this stage imo is bc he doesn’t feed soj charge like monkey
I feel like doom is a crutch for teams who can't play other tanks effectively
Will be interesting to see what happens to teams that lean on him heavily
glads and shock will do fine
because their staff is intelligent
and I look forward to seeing what they come up with
same w dva
today i will put finn on lucio 
tbf shock used dva in very few scenarios
maybe like
and it won like 90% of the time
boston on ilios
the thing about shock
is that they did it on shit like eich where you have a better chance of not taking poke from 8 angles
not fucking
ilios lighthouse
somehow shock played glads 99-93 with finn on lucio
real
imo ilios felt like an ego pick "we probably can beat them in the mirror" shit
similar to glads picking CR
shock don't make confounding decisions in important playoff games challenge (ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE)
theres the thing
its not important for them
shock can not win anything ever again and they will still have fans from super and 2019
true
if the support staff of a team isn't going into the finals of a tournament doing everything in their power to get their team to win they shouldn't be on the support staff imo
idk what the fuck they had cooking
today i will run finn on lucio and not pick chicken royal where my team absolutely rolled the gladiators 
there is a thing where teams are the most liable to lose on their strong maps
because they don’t put as much effort in
At least s9mm isn't getting flamed this tourney
shock fans have let him go
for now
so you can counter/antistrat it and try and beat it
they wanted to change it up cause glads probably prepped for them on CR
then why not go route
thank FUCK s9mm and ans aren’t getting flamed
and not fucking
dude
gib
well...
it was actually pissing me off
idk who their scrim partners were
but that's always the answer when a team does something seemingly stupid
worked in scrims
scrimbux corrupt even the best of teams sadly
ans played well (kilo better)
widow player does well when he only has to play widow
omg
widow player does not do well when forced onto a dogshit hero
omg
they wont be immune to the random comp that coach moon thinks up in stage 3 that he runs through all the way to the playoffs and wins that causes flameknight to hard cope about how it was a fake composition
Moon is currently scrambling to figure out how his team can win without abusing emp every 40 seconds to win fights
emp was the thing shanghai used the least though
oh and also using brig zen so his supports never die because balanced heroes
lip hit like 1 person with it on average
yea but when he farms it in 40 seconds that doesn't matter
fair
free fight win with it 90% of the time
lip being so far ahead of everyone else on sombra came from how much fucking value he got from manual hacks
mf popped emp at a spawn door in playoffs last season 
I will forever flame 2021 shd for their corny comps
they're why we had to watch assassin play sombra all season long
no forgiveness
shock fan talks about 2021 when shock would have 0 championships if not for meta playoff changes
Hm the team that had won 2/3 tourneys that year in their region, including the most recent one to playoffs, who also only dropped 4 matches all season long, surely wouldn't have been able to win the playoffs despite the meta
2019 shock would have absolutely won if 2-2-2 never happened
map 5 stand 1
Not their fault they had the best roster
it is funnier to say otherwise
i respect that
they lose to dragons and then get boomed out of the playoffs lower bracket
Shock were so far ahead of titans all around anyway

Also it is debatable it'd still be close without hog meta
Who’s y’all favorite league team rn
I like London
There’s no way they win against shock or glads and I don’t even think Houston
But I respect that they stuck with reinhardt/mei even tho most teams left it
I can respect the dedication even if they don’t have the best chance at winning
i like to watch the shock play (because i root for them to lose everything ever)
Understandable
I don’t hate them but I root against them just because I want to see a new team win
Like they already won twice
Nothing against them but I want more teams
i dont hate them its just funny to see their fanbase send death threats to their players when they lose
Shock fans when they c9 and lose mid-season madness to the glads
That was wild
It was hilarious
if u wanna see a great c9 watch may melee asia final 2020 on blizzard world
Bet
One thing I noticed
East did not to well
Most of the eastern teams got eliminated by Atlanta
And I was super shocked to see Seoul lose
Logistical challenges I think? Idk
can’t argue with that
can argue that the only team that made top 4 was philly
shock hasn't won a single title since 2020 
sad region
Deserved tbh
how do seoul shanghai both lose to Atlanta
FR
Hear me out
they're physically in Korea, laregely due to their academy team T1 is there and their pickups are all in Korea
Ok well that’s good
Makes sense
I haven’t touched that rat in over half a year
W
I would also still rather a different team win the grand finals this year
Rather then have them win a third time
But this
fr gladiators for 2022 champions
Like how does this happen
I can support this
gladiators winning twice is making me feel how non shock fans felt in 2020 
I want to see Houston win too
The odds are low but never 0
gladiators for 2022 kickoff clash midseason madness summer showdown countdown cup and season playoffs champions
Outlaws either sweep
Or get swept
shock win regular season
There is no in between
by having 4 perfect stages
They aren’t flexible
and 0 titles to show for it
Like I like danteh but he needs to be at least a little flexible
Doom ain’t the pick 100% of the time
Danteh is good for what he’s known for
yeah
He’s a doom one trick
Minecraft pvp
But he’s a damn good doom one trick
jq is just like rod pvp danteh wins these
Exactly
He’ll be good there
I feel the same from hadi
But he did pull out a Winston every now and then
But for the most time he’s in the same place
Reiner gaps the whole league on jq though unfortunately
hear me out
if shock dont win anything this year itll be really funny to watch hellfire mald
true
Wait what the fuck T1 taken to map 5 by Team Shitmond
TDI is a different beast this time
but as long as inhyeok is essentially the team's rio
TLN 1-2 now we have a match
why would i mald?
they dont have heesang on their team
they dont deserve it lol
At least you admit that Shanghai will win this season
shanghai dont have heesang on their team either
they dont deserve it either lol
especisally not with fletASS
I wonder if glads will win all stages this year
they will
besides a goat 2nd dps
wait are we really in goats 2.0
yea
patiphan and ANS are both goats
The red teams wins Contenders winner's lower bracket@hot onyx
Patiphan was literally on par with kai on sojourn
pati not top tier but still underrated imo
people give him too much shit
so happy for glads that they’ll be signing the heesang guy next year
i will support them if they do
Kai sojourn is not very impressive
He got megagapped by lip
ok yeah but
kai is not a top sojourn
t1 suck
Still impressive
L take
I disagreed with mike at first but since dullahan thinks kai is good he must be dog
LMAO
y'all are on my dick
damn lmao
no like weirdly obsessed even tho ik it's a joke
He's one of the best moron
Mer1t, Kai, and Stalk3r are the 3 best
Shy too
classic
dink take
he did not witness
lip absolutely
shit on kai
Stalk3r also diffed Kai
also the still lost argument is so dumb
Kai is not very good at sojourn
13-2*
Kai has been far better than happy
On souj
He is below the goats
But he is still top 5
Imo
Dove is one of your bright spots
dove and wub pingpong between playing sojourn but never get more than 1 kill per map
Dove gets held back harder
shit compared to other players
And that makes me sad to see
never should have fuckin dropped onigod naga
ah yes lets drop one of the best EU hitscan players and the 2nd best EU fdps player after a few bad games
it is
the dps who is still below average on every stat
is a bright spot
i really hope the jq/brig/lucio strat isnt a thing in owl
if we have to depend on sojourn for picks
its over
He hasn’t
Happy sojourn was obliterating
lmao what the fuck the tournament ended with a c9??
Dont forget that Dallas won less maps in this tournament than Toronto
Now let that sink into your brain
dude i fucking hate overwatch reddit so much, look through literally any fucking thread that has to do with ow2 game balance and find the most goop brained slackjawed drool dripping fucking takes in the entire world there
oh yea bro mei should be reworked as a support bro yea
trust
dont even get me started on all the people that think supports are fucking 'too weak' in ow2
just needed to vent
i agree
According to multiple sources, The Vancouver Titans have signed Maryville DPS Rene “K1ng” Rangel
W?
Backbone was on Paris?
L
Can’t even find a good replacement like Dannedd
Or TheHolyPig
Nico was on Paris in season 4 or 5?
It’s a Vancouver signing, that’s like leaking a contenders roster announcement 🥱 @ me when you’ve got the new shock leaks

iced trying to say shock signing someone new or just poking fun at halo
poking fun
Y'all watch contenders?
This mf dogman
"eu is the best contenders region"
As if proper wouldnt 1v5 ex oblivione
💀💀💀
Yes…no.. Yes
I wanted to wait till owl came back
And see how they play it before i started roasting blizzard for being shit devs
at least the contenders meta is interesting
not just copy and pasted owl
it seems like most people in contenders just play comfort picks anyways
to hell with the meta
well maybe not 'most'
but a lot
tbf proper isn't in contenders anymore
but yea dogman on some shit if he thinks either NA or EU will be anything to korean contenders
ah
yea true
im glad to see dogman though
cool guy
although kinda mad his youtube is just a shitty react channel for the most part
hate react content
but anyways
i think dogman is still owl ready tbh he'd diff kilo if we're being honest
he'd diff finn
proper
anyone
you have to be baiting lmao
he actively said on his YT channel
viol2t is a better player than him in every possible wway
and if you think viol2t diffs kilo proper finn
you are very wrong
how is that anything special
of course an active owl player is going to be better than someone who isnt actively being paid to play 10 hours a day
like wow what a revelation
viol2t was better than him in every metric in the seasons they played yes
or right after I presume
yes and he admitted to that
i mean you dont need for him to admit to that for it to be true
so I do not get why or how dogman after not playing for couple of years
could diff proper kilo and finn
3 players who are active OWL players
and are pretty good at their respective roles
besides willingness to play ana
Viol2t is a good ana
That reminds me
he is
How are you throwing a fit
super explained why architect played ana over viol2t that one game
just because you have a good ana doesn't mean you want to play it
Over an obvious satirical statement
It was because architect's ana nades were really good and aggressive, which worked best in that meta
Viol2t was dog at ana
i prefaced it saying it had to be bait
But he is a goat
👍
Etc
Ezire is the 2nd best shock academy flex dps
Behind kevster
Maybe heesang
Is top 3
kevster proper heesang definitely make up the top 3 if you're being unironic
Rascal was also a shock academy flex dps
i'm not sure if you would count proper
wait yeah
since he was picked up before o2 became a acad team
Proper was not on shock acad
he is canadian
name 1 good canadian player
ah fuck
crimzo is canaddian
the amount of 2nd places heesang has
is depressing
apr1ta will hand him another one
tbh
man is jesus in finals matches
wills his team to win
he will
i bet Xray will feed one day
the roster is good enough to be an auto top 2
vs talon
Ezire false crimzgoat
He was bottom 2 when he was in the league
Point is
Than some random player like rawkus
He wasn’t good
Agree
yea lol he was very not good
but he still diffs san fraudcisco shock roster tbh
(im being satirical)
wrong
i was baiting
idk how yall read any sentence about dogman being good and don't automatically assume that it's satirical
in s2 he was not bottom 5 at all
that is what i assumed
more like mid
yea true you assumed it
other dude fell for it
but i suppose you can't be mad about someone not catching irony over text
Not bottom 2, at a much more respectable spot of bottom 4!
dogman is the goat
I like him as a caster doe
Hi
hello
I’m a big fan
Thanks "Unter"
dude why the fuck are the contenders name plates white on white for the away team
literally impossible to read
na production
goats have an A tier minimum ana
like Alarm
or Twilight
JJoNak
Revenge
etc
-somebody that hasn't seen Viol2t ana
you're talking about yourself
that's crazy
wow you're such a schizo
🦆
Viol2t Ana is top tier
She’s also the easiest FS character so it’s not surprising he can play her
is it better than Shu Fielder FiNN UV MMonk Iris or Izayaki?
He obliterates izayaki
that is blatant Viol2t fanpersonism
U have
never
I think you recognise him being a top fs at bap and zen in OWL and assume his ana is the same despite lack of that hero being played by him entering your sights
but i'm willing to agree to disagree like an adult
I think I recognize him being a top ana by seeing him play ana

Ana is way easier than those characters so he’s top tier at them too
saying he is better than any of those players listed (except for Izayaki's washed corpse) is actively disrespecting those players
I think you say he's bad at ana because you're just a hater
no i'm saying his ana isn't S tier like his bap and zen
it is not close to disrespect saying a top tier ana is better than mid players.
referring to Fielder UV MMonk and Iris as mid and saying it's not disrespect doesn't make you a credible source for opinionated information

quite the opposite, I'm afraid
Referring to fielder UV MMonk and ir1s as anything but mid and saying it's not meatriding makes you a non credible source for opinionated information
he is so is heesang #real
we're getting baited hellfire
yeah a midder
your mom is a middler
don't feed the power of delusion
wow so you're a necrophiliac
? she lied to you
very interesting information...
nah you are
i am not going to judge what family drama you have
both of you are hereby invalid
if your mom lies to you that she is dead
i'd fake my death as well if I had a son that believed Viol2t was a better ana than Fielder
associating yourself with a necrophiliac...
stupid!
very suspicious in my honest opinion
and my opinion is one of a top expert so you guys aren't looking too hot.
This is slander
I am nobody's "alt"
except for when he said Belosrea is a good main tank
Custa said Belosrea was the best ball in the world, which is a very suspicious take if you ask me.
it was a joke
so odd.....
cant believe they capped it
that is the best world
reiner is a fraud #real
so true
@willow drum are you perhaps related to Destined Hellfire...
no
no
good...
i would never be related to someone
agree, fraudulent main tanks typically go on a 10 tournament win streak
like super
super owns reiner
Super has never had a tournament winstreak longer than two
no hot take
i think it is
he has also not competed in fucking contendors
prime super maybe
also Reiner is better on every non reinhardt hero
and goes even on rein in today's standards
imo sans you are very very delusional
i think reiner is better on everyone we have seen other than monkey and rein
if you think renier hog and monke is better than super's
cope
Super is a fraudulent shitter
forgot reiner played hog
reiner winton is mid
on dive heroes
he is not
super is about as mid as supa
(you have been lied to)
I can't believe this fraud called me delusional.
that is mn3!
All of this guy's opinions are wrong it is crazy
agreed
it is very wacko
he is also a fusion fan
so don't make fun of him too much
five
(over 9000)
I've seen it all
still no Ws
Fusion fans think they can have opinions...
for the boys in fusion
cope
Catjam is a solid analyst
sans is really going against 3 respectable analysts
with his own fusion fan takes
unlucky!
one respectable analyst*
who
Jazzy
Thanks
i do not respect silver shock fans
i am goldd
Sans why am I seeing criticism
unlike your dps sr
@cunning patrol is belosrea good
He is a solid
there is Clestyn cricitism????
B tier
Yes
send me their address
imo new hero
reminder when echo released EQO was top 3
he still is top 3 on echo
fraudper and kevFRAUD
do not stand a chance
neither does pelifraud
the only player that can match eqo on echo is
heesang the goaat
I did not make one
Thoughts sans
and do they have London above Boston?
hunterio is based
You should send that video that "Topdragon" posted.
imbecile behaviour
it is not
oh fuck
anybody who ajaxes
maybe not
their jq ult
WHAT was he cooking?!?!
sshould be slandered
listen
my Clestyn propaganda only goes as far as his dva sigma and zarya is concerned
okay buddy
Fraudulent behavior if you ask me.
he was carried by belosrea
that is the only reason he got 3rd
stop it you are losing credibility
ah makes sense
Bianca is ruining a top 5 ot talent
I will never forgive him
also that is more of a Hyunjae gap
imo
Then he is a mediocre player
In OW2
#real
He forgot Moira
Hahaha
Good one
Moira is harder
this is the kappest kappa kapakapakpaoapao-
hahahahahahahahah
in what world is ana easier than bap
unrelated to viol2t
Every world
ur baiting
His hog is far better
I’m not
Rhynocerous stlll better
@cunning patrol oh really.......
cuz u just told me i am right
😟
ignore the background....
pls...
its so dead man
i took watching at stomp for granted
😭
im glad i do collegiate stuff now cuz at least the lans are fun
and exist at all.
They have goats
Gigahandsome is a semi goat
i personally think
bap is harder
but no world is ana easier than moira
bap is way easier
immo
his heal is so easy
its so easy to play him its insane
u can carry dmg and heal
ana positioning is way harder for a lot of ppl
and ... aim...
you are swapping constantly
i can aim easier on ana personally
what
literally anyone who is good at the game would agree with me
Actually at least the NA region has one good team(odyssey)
unter is gm
what are you even saying
i am naming my friends who ar egood at the game
who are in contenders and owl who said
bap is way easier
arent those dps players
im not a good player so i ask them for double advice before saying smth stupid
LOL
what does that even mean
i think its easier
why would that have anythung to do
ok im talking about ceiling btw
my bf who is also contender player (Support) agrees
to touch back kn that
but
in terms of ceiling
uhhh
let me get some expperts here....
Pvzchamp2022 is not informed on the matter
hello expert support player here, bronze
high sr players only sorry
(2000+)
he is 49oo on siport buddy...
they didnt tell u he was replacing crimjo,,..
Im 2001 on switch AU servers so basically Im like yall
Crimzgoat is not getting replaced
getting a third flex support
is always an extremely smart choice
Nyxl
lmao
Made a solid move
yea
made by really good orgs
Signing hoe1
nyx, clearly smart good prg.
Andbox I feel bad for
They got screwed out of da valorant franchisin
And their OW team is awful
nyxl went from insanely good merch and content to
still insanely good merch (their logo is #1)
their graphics r good
i love
their style
sucks the competition is not on their sise......
i got that saebyeolbe denim jacket in 2019
tht collection was heat
idk what their merch looks like now but their content got worse
I’m in NY, send me the NYXL home base address, time to teach them a lesson.
Ur in Canada
im in ny
I’m in the states idiot
Come visit me
Where
Address
the city
244 brockton avenue
the best part is the ride that puts you up like 50 feet
and swings you around
Everything is lit in comparison to Canada
have u gone to the park
Ngl I don’t know where that is bc I haven’t seen it, I’m by the tall red like structure that glows up and all the rides beneath it
Which one
luna
the red tower on the left i think
it was the cyclone or smth
if i remember
Yeahhh that one
Yeah it’s wooden and kinda hurts at some points on the ride
That is ocean city MD
Maryland? Not new jersey
Wait that isn't LA
guess whos back
who
Wdym
dad?
Moffitt?
wait did mano come back from retirement
yours kill himself after seeing what a fucking idiot he birthed
brig
sad
zarya imo
Finally, a guest host who was treated well on broadcast and just gelled really well with the rest of OWL. Hope to see her back again if we don't have a 4th for Summer Showdown Quals
factual
i really liked ovilee
ovilee custa reinforce has definitely been my favorite iteration of the pre-show
by far
Probably helps mrX and Hex both do upper-level stuff in owl
Since Hex was a caster and mrx is still one, probably have a better idea on how things should go
Also less pressure of a bunch of sponsors helps
Hex knows how to lead content direction so while you never see it, he basically letting the desk make whatever content is good for the broadcast
It's relatively easy if he can simply allow them to goof off with a bit of help to make sure it's always entertaining even after Watchpoint is over
https://youtu.be/vFO1vkuebic here's what that looks like without him
On this episode of Watchpoint, Reinforce 'travels' to Moscow to get an exclusive first time interview with his childhood hero, Reinhardt.
Join us for the 2020 Overwatch League season:
Schedule: https://overwatchleague.com/en-us/schedule
apparently fury had some sort of surgery
on his instagram he posted a story of him in a hospital bed with text that translates "Surgery is over"
Thoughts on who deserves MVP this season?
ans
Hadi or proper
💀
Cope, seethe, mald, cry, follow me on Twitter, rib bozo
mfw when MT that was thought of to be a bottom 2 MT in the league actually turns out to be mid !
cope
Cope, seethe, mald, cry, follow me on Twitter.com/Fudge2335, rip bozo, clown fiestas
you two are weirdos ngl
You support Shanghai
I don't only support Shanghai. I believe in them.
Our Father who art in Shanghai Dragons team facility,
hallowed be thy name,
thy championship come,
thy will be done
on tournament as it is in 2021.
Give us this day our weekly bread,
and forgive our doubting,
as we forgive those who doubt us,
and lead us not into copium,
but deliver us from bandwagoning.
For the championship,
the map 5 win rate and the reverse sweeps are yours,
now and for ever. Amen.
Dedication
Which is how it should be
Okay so my personal Mvp would be either Shu or Reiner
Just because of how good they are at what they do
kevster, proper n reiner, kai aswell
smurf if dynasty do good
kevster proper yaki Reiner shu flora
Kev/Proper/Reiner = Probably mvp or roty
Smurf/Kai/Shy/LIP = can be mvp but team needs to work more
not kai unless we get a hard widow or ashe meta
he’s not been the goat on soldier or sojourn (though he’s been very good)
being 4-6th on a hero does not make you the mvp
eh it's just like, dynasty need to do better and or win/go deep torny run for him to get a good chance, same with lip
Dynasty literally won a tourney
he was def the best jou for a bit
Hard carry?
if you think being high A tier on both meta hs makes you an mvp candidate you’re weird
he only hard carried on widow
Kai widow is S imo
widow has not been the meta hs
absolutely
What’s the two meta hs
his sojourn and soldier are high A or mid A
a lot of time he was the hard carry
kickoff clash was soldier june joust was sojourn
his jou is a S imo
he’s 5th on sojourn lmfao
top 5 is still s tier bro what
???
Wrong sadly
????
Name top 5 off tanks
A is like 6-10
why are y'all going for tanks n not dps lmao
wait who do u have above him
mer1t lip shy happy
i have proper above kai
Why y’all going for things that counter my argument
happy does exactly what kai does but his team is shit so we can logically assume he is better
I can name the top 5 tanks in my opinion
proper has not been the primary sojourn on his team so I do not count him
we are comparing a dps, why do that for tanks?
ok makes ssense
You just said 1-5 is S
i still take him over
happy no, lip is fair ig tho I put them pretty much tie
lip hard dommed kai
I mean yeah, where do you think a player goes from S to A
so overwhelmingly
like below top 3?
It depends
there isn’t a clear line it just depends on the players skill
cause for me it's below 6 = A+



