I mean they did win back to back so I’d say yeah
#esports-discussion
mortal cipher
cunning patrol
I cannot believe
willow tartan
Shock will go lossless in the regular season and still not win any tournament
earnest leaf
but we have 3 weeks till next stage so i'm sure stuff will change
balmy wolf
that 12-0 doesnt mean shit if you cant win tourneys
keen abyss
ans went from having a terrible midseason madness
mortal cipher
Shock will go lossless in the regular season and still not win any tournament
That be beautiful
keen abyss
to winning every single map he played today
earnest leaf
ans had 1 bad map
tidal marsh
Shock will go lossless in the regular season and still not win any tournament
At least shock didn't lose to Atlanta this stage
earnest leaf
and people said he was perma washed
ocean basin
i cant believe the shanghai dragons won the grand finals
lost thicket
viol2t lucio finn brig or viol2t brigg finn lucio (why did he play lucio)
trim shadow
Why did violet dry peak that without his shield
mortal cipher
At least shock didn't lose to Atlanta this stage
They didn’t play Atlanta
balmy wolf
At least shock didn't lose to Atlanta this stage
Or Shanghai
keen abyss
ansan
lost thicket
shanghai got rolled
keen abyss
has buried shock
willow tartan
At least shock didn't lose to Atlanta this stage
Yeah it would be incredibly sad if they did lose to atlanta again lol
lost thicket
throughout this torny
willow drum
They didn’t play Atlanta
they did
lost thicket
ans had just fucked
keen abyss
it was ansan
willow drum
qualifiers
willow tartan
Imagine getting knocked out by atlanta for the 3rd time in a row
willow drum
I mean in the tournament
well yeah
cunning patrol
ans had 1 bad map
He had
tidal marsh
Yeah it would be incredibly sad if they did lose to atlanta again lol
I do wish shock lost to Shanghai and then got knocked out by Atlanta again
tidal marsh
That would have been funny
twin bloom
Multiple awful maps
He was good on gib
chrome pecan
Is there any benefit of being the team at the top of the winners bracket? Honest question lol
cunning patrol
Lol
mortal cipher
I do wish shock lost to Shanghai and then got knocked out by Atlanta again
That would be hilarious
twin bloom
Mah bad
keen abyss
i'm proud of him
cunning patrol
He played really good today
tidal marsh
Is there any benefit of being the team at the top of the winners bracket? Honest...
Don't have to play as many games
earnest leaf
and reiner was able to solo him to 100 hp
tidal marsh
Oh wait nvm
keen abyss
propah
earnest leaf
balanced ability
keen abyss
engaged on ans
chrome pecan
Don't have to play as many games
Is that really bad tho, shock go in cold
prisma scroll
and map 7
lost thicket
reiner and proper on their roty/mvp
trim shadow
Mikeyy taking a million damage
forest token
it looked like it was just discord, ans bodyshot and a couple orbs from skewed
willow tartan
Is there any benefit of being the team at the top of the winners bracket? Honest...
You get to pick maps against lower seeds
you play against lower seeds
tidal marsh
Is that really bad tho, shock go in cold
Less chances to get knocked out
twin bloom
Oh wait i meant map 6
balmy wolf
NOT ANS DABBING
willow tartan
you get a bye
idle beacon
mikkey was low
lost thicket
and I think reiner might win roty, but shock needs to clutch up for proper to win either
forest token
fucking ans lmfao
idle beacon
he could not have defend the payload alone
prisma scroll
shock could have won apart from throwing half of the maps and c9ing 500k away
apart from all that it was totally winnable
stuck radish
i am thoroughly disappointed in the end of that game
cunning patrol
Idk they probably lost anyways
mortal cipher
i am thoroughly disappointed in the end of that game
That was disappointing end
keen abyss
if shock played moth they wouldve won
fr get that viol2t dude out
trim shadow
3-2 midseason madness and it ends with a c9 love it
mortal cipher
Lol
prisma scroll
why the fuck is viol2t still playing main support
idle beacon
damn, reinforce is dumb
keen abyss
dumbest person in the chat trying to call other people dumb
idle beacon
it was no c9
ocean basin
pretty much was
trim shadow
It was a actual week of madness
prisma scroll
defs c9
keen abyss
proper lost them that
keen abyss
proper blinked past point
trim shadow
London flopping
keen abyss
to pressure ansan
tropic herald
keen abyss
he used all 3 blinks
trim shadow
3-2 overwatch
idle beacon
dumbest person in the chat trying to call other people dumb
and who tf cares about your opinion, douche?
worthy lynx
I am
keen abyss
and who tf cares about your opinion, douche?
LLL
worthy lynx
Having a good time
keen abyss
2 PURPLE SKINS
supple prism
i gotta see Badpachimaris setup, he has to have some studio setup with how fast he does this stuff
idle beacon
will junkerqueen be played in summer showdown?
trim shadow
Yes
ocean basin
its pretty easy to do that quickly
idle beacon
i wonder if we'll see much JQ play
mortal cipher
I think she will get a nerf before then
Who
trim shadow
Jq
willow tartan
stage 3 2019
mortal cipher
Ah
mortal cipher
stage 3 2019
Goats destroyer
trim shadow
Commanding shout and grav knife is a little strung
balmy wolf
gg
supple prism
i wonder if we'll see much JQ play
possibly not, they most likely will be on the patch where JQ is nerfed
idle beacon
why nerf JQ or more, nerf what part?
trim shadow
Command shout
supple prism
the mini beat
trim shadow
Its basically a ult
keen abyss
THE BEST OVERWATCH 2 ROSTER TO DATE
THE MOST WINNINGEST TEAM IN OW2L
prisma scroll
rally on cooldown needs a nerf
idle beacon
ah ye, commanding shout is a bit .. weird
willow tartan
now that the tournament is finished we can finally get rid of the league of legends sleeper agent
supple prism
who
keen abyss
if jq is still good
trim shadow
Now that tourney is over i can sleep
keen abyss
glads remains a top team
stuck radish
man that was the best meta that couldve happened for shock
willow tartan
and they still lost
torn kiln
Mikey 
willow tartan
L team
forest token
I need to see the dva on eich
idle beacon
her ultimate range should be nerfed, yes. she hits enemies not even in her sight or being like elsewhere
stuck radish
winning stage 3 or 4 is gonna be so much harder
keen abyss
man that was the best meta that couldve happened for shock
hope you're ready
for double main support
forest token
and see if shock fucked the execution or if it's as bad as I think it is
trim shadow
We rlly dont know who is a good jq considering she has a rein style play
prisma scroll
we just need a c9 meta so shock can win
trim shadow
I doubt teams were practicing jq
ocean basin
her ultimate range should be nerfed, yes. she hits enemies not even in her sight...
i got good news for you buddy
willow tartan
for double main support
lucio gets omegabuffed and mercy is the only support u can get away with
idle beacon
lucio buff again?
ocean basin
no jq range got nerfed
keen abyss
lucio brig jq
ocean basin
in midcycle patch
keen abyss
sounds perfect for glads
forest token
lucio moira jq > lucio brig jq
keen abyss
kev is a solid genji
hot onyx
forest token
genuinely
forest token
I see zero reason to run brig over moira with that setup
keen abyss
on sojourn
idle beacon
jq is doable, once she's antiD
old stag
Proper just blinked off the point
willow drum
JQ nerf
old stag
and ball fed
willow drum
Proper just blinked off the point
he did not
keen abyss
I see zero reason to run brig over moira with that setup
higher sustain
willow drum
blink off point
forest token
how
trim shadow
But soujourn is still meta
old stag
he did not
? watch the replay
forest token
moira has heal orb on a 10s guarantee and aoe piss
old stag
yeah he did
willow tartan
https://twitter.com/BadPachimari/status/1551052936096223232?s=20&t=qQ4QsLebasPR1...
proper looks like he wants to flame his teammates
willow drum
he 3x blink to kill ans
old stag
he touched
sly lagoon
good final
forest token
and is harder to pin down because she has fade
old stag
he touched, watch the replay
old stag
AND cuts out a burst opportunity with morb
morbing time?
ocean basin
coal is now the most expensive ult in the game
forest token
but other than that why the fuck wouldn't you just pick moira
old stag
sound barrier > rally > coal
keen abyss
good year
prisma scroll
moira is terrible
keen abyss
to be a glads fan
idle beacon
wow .. 11th of august
hot onyx
3 weeks until August 14th
idle beacon
3 weeks :S
trim shadow
3 weeks until August 14th
August 11th
idle beacon
to be a glads fan
i bet you dont even remember their former support duo by name
willow tartan
1 month and 1 week until the shanghai dragons win
idle beacon
talking of being a glads fan
trim shadow
semen stain
The one i left on ur moms couch
earnest leaf
also ngl
ocean basin
1 month and 1 week until the shanghai dragons win
cope
earnest leaf
best OW tournament
ocean basin
L
trim shadow
best OW tournament
Yea
ocean basin
they aint winning
willow tartan
they will
stuck radish
i wish it went to map 7 man
ocean basin
cope
willow tartan
u r stupid if u think they wont win
willow drum
That’s it, that seals the deal. I am no longer a San FRAUDcisco fan. I’ve been a fan since 2011 and a season ticket holder since 2015. I officially will not be renewing my plan next season nor will I watch on tv ever again. I’m going to LA where they know how to run an OWL org! I can't BELIEVE LA won 2 titles in a row! They are so cracked!
keen abyss
i bet you dont even remember their former support duo by name
shaz bigg00se?
ocean basin
you have too much hope
keen abyss
bro I’ve been a glads fan since 2018
trim shadow
u r stupid if u think they wont win
They wont they have won 2 tourneys in a row they are cursed
hot onyx
u r stupid if u think they wont win
ur stupid if you think the Hangzhou Spark won't win
idle beacon
shaz bigg00se?
considering how long you took, you prolly looked it up 😄
hot onyx
yes
keen abyss
LMAO
idle beacon
who was their winston in 2019 ?
keen abyss
2019 was goats year
hot onyx
who was their winston in 2019 ?
Roar
keen abyss
but roar
hot onyx
sorry
ocean basin
Want to bet money on it?
no, gambling your money away wont be worth it
hot onyx
they also had Panker from Gladiators Legion on the bench as a twoway
keen abyss
2019 was roar void decay surefour shaz bigg00se
idle beacon
2918
keen abyss
hydration
willow tartan
no, gambling your money away wont be worth it
I wont lose.
ocean basin
mhm
willow tartan
I have full understanding of the shanghai dragons
keen abyss
iremiix wasn’t it
ocean basin
I have full understanding of the shanghai dragons
nah
willow tartan
and they will 100% win without a shadow of a doubt in my mind
idle beacon
fissure
trim shadow
2019 was roar void decay surefour shaz bigg00se
Team shouldve went deep
willow tartan
guaranteed
keen abyss
fissure was later in the year
ocean basin
you are too commited
trim shadow
But the damn goats
idle beacon
ye but 2018
hot onyx
2019 was roar void decay surefour shaz bigg00se
Roar Void Panker Bischu Decay Surefour Hydration Biggoose Shaz Ripa*
keen abyss
But the damn goats
wdym
idle beacon
the winston in 2018 .. fissure mostly played monke
prisma scroll
#GOATS2022
keen abyss
void and decay thrives in goats
willow tartan
I am simply too smart for you to understand
ocean basin
mhm
keen abyss
they just needed a better mt
keen abyss
and shaz wasn’t a top fs compared to the competition
idle beacon
shazz and bigg00se were fun to watch
trim shadow
They wouldve been elite playing regular overwatch
keen abyss
Roar Void Panker Bischu Decay Surefour Hydration Biggoose Shaz Ripa*
i was trying to remember if bischu was glads or a different team
ocean basin
You will see I hold the truth
you hold the foot to your mouth
trim shadow
Not moba watch
willow tartan
you hold the foot to your mouth
That makes no sense.
idle beacon
sure4 .. underestimated dps, eh
he won some widow tournament vs the top widows back then
hot onyx
i was trying to remember if bischu was glads or a different team
oh fuck no Bischu got traded to the Guangzhou Charge mid season
trim shadow
Fraggi
earnest leaf
Starting to think
Unless there is a stupidly wild meta change
Glads might just take next tourney and win GF
hot onyx
yes
idle beacon
how tf is 2018 infront of your name
hot onyx
how tf is 2018 infront of your name
moon runes
idle beacon
unkoe.. wasn't that the french supp?
forest token
glads and shock are the only two teams with good prep
and the crusty crackpipe is often a liability
so
it is very much possible
hot onyx
sad that Spark didn't make finals
balmy wolf
no
supple prism
Spark vs Fusion, who is the better team?
hot onyx
Spark
hot onyx
Fusion had a mickey mouse match
balmy wolf
fusion best apac team
trim shadow
was a piece of shit
How?
supple prism
but they keep trading wins throughout the season
hot onyx
that they won by the skin of their teeth
tropic herald
fusion beat spark 3/10 times but they got one of the 3 times
keen abyss
fusion beat spark 3/10 times but they got one of the 3 times
agreed
zest and belosrea played out of their minds
even to make up for mn3 being his usual mid self
willow drum
very based
hot onyx
Supa get your tongue out of Belosreas ass
hot onyx
he worked around ZEST like any normal person should
hot onyx
he decided to win in that wintrade
keen abyss
zest worked around belos
hot onyx
ah yes minefield kills
willow drum
hot onyx
real talent
willow drum
INCREDIBLY BASED
idle beacon
@keen abysswhats your name suppose to mean?
keen abyss
https://twitter.com/BadPachimari/status/1551052936096223232
third time this has been posted and i've loved it each time
keen abyss
<@233040697563807755>whats your name suppose to mean?
good question
cunning patrol
I cannot believe Shock
hot onyx
colonel sans when his hate boner is unjustified
if you saw what i saw on eichenwalde
keen abyss
to protect your emotions
so you don't put your hope in philyl again
for it to be shattered
hot onyx
the adventures this man had gone on
to throw the map
is crazy
this man has mechanical talent but is braindead
twin bloom
If glads dominate next meta like expected and reiner has a good JQ
cunning patrol
Could do this to me
twin bloom
Proper is roty Idc
I agree
cunning patrol
And the last one
tropic herald
depends on what ur roty def is
hot onyx
are you putting up this facade
what facade? i watch the man feed his guts out
cunning patrol
Shock fans
tropic herald
at least for me, roty is simply just best rookie but mvp is more about who actually means the most to the team
cunning patrol
Are the best narrative pushers
twin bloom
Espec if glads win next tournament
cunning patrol
To ever do it
twin bloom
Idk i hope proper wins
But reiner has a real shot if his JQ
Is good
He is propers only
idle beacon
@keen abyssadam ila'ah
tropic herald
some1 will have a good jq
keen abyss
glads has won
hot onyx
not even the best support line in the world could put up with that ammount of feeding
tropic herald
yeah
tropic herald
still didnt make grand finals doe
hot onyx
still didnt make grand finals doe
yet*
cunning patrol
Idk NYXL def could’ve done it in s1
tropic herald
ny shouldve done it ngl
hot onyx
they didnt repeat that mistake todayt
mostly because Reign downgraded their best two players
cunning patrol
Yeah ark is a bum bitch
cunning patrol
mostly because Reign downgraded their best two players
They did not
By any metric
twin bloom
mostly because Reign downgraded their best two players
No way you still think UV is a downgrade
I mean
Uv
keen abyss
mostly because Reign downgraded their best two players
only one
hot onyx
No way you still think UV is a downgrade
Pelican and Unter
keen abyss
fair
twin bloom
Pelican and Unter
Unter is not a player
twin bloom
Or hawk imo
hot onyx
Unter is not a player
do not care, without him they fall apart under the skinwalker of a coach that is sephyy
tropic herald
It’s crazy to me that Houston have Pelican and they are not good
Free my boy
From the GreenWall
tropic herald
#BrickByBrick
cunning patrol
Giving Kai water when he asks for it
twin bloom
It’s crazy to me that Houston have Pelican and they are not good
Define good
Cause imo
tropic herald
Sephy seems like he is the uncle of the team
tropic herald
Okay
twin bloom
Except the big 3
hot onyx
Spark fucks Outlaws
idle beacon
Giving Kai water when he asks for it
xD
twin bloom
Spark fucks Outlaws
Couldn't even fuck the fusuon
twin bloom
Sadly
hot onyx
https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxuKkIEWeog9xKJx0agPkszDibsx1dNnCn
that's nice
look up his rein shatters
hot onyx
i do give belosrea credit here
cunning patrol
Would both beat them imo
twin bloom
Would both beat them imo
Not with how they played in MM
keen abyss
belosrea's mines
cunning patrol
They put on a show
keen abyss
are the reason philly made it to top 4
hot onyx
belosrea's mines
oh man his MINES
keen abyss
there are people who use mines
tropic herald
Shanghai are just on their training arc
cunning patrol
Sad
keen abyss
very stupidly
hot onyx
that is the same level of me defending 2021 hotba
keen abyss
oh man his MINES
technically gapped mikeyy
tropic herald
Next stage they remember how to play the game
hot onyx
because he has "good rocks"
keen abyss
mikeyy didnt win his team the game
because he didnt put mines on point
and now shock are flying home losers who didnt touch point
minefield discipline
is a skill that should not be overlooked
and belos has good mines discipline
tropic herald
APAC let me down in owl but at least they won’t let me down in Valorant
hot onyx
that's cool
his ball is mechanically good
he just needs his idiocy ironed out
is that not a fair judgement?
hot onyx
@Belosrea
fuck he ain't in the server
nerd
anyway next meta when he has to play a non ball character his lack of flexibility will be exposed
god i miss Sado
idle beacon
ohboi, i gots a fancy name now, aswell
cunning patrol
anyway next meta when he has to play a non ball character his lack of flexibilit...
His chimpanzee
Is legendary
idle beacon
@keen abysshow you like my new look, adam?
tropic herald
Belosrea should go to Shanghai for a #RealTeam
idle beacon
he just needs his idiocy ironed out
what do you mean by idiocy? 😮
gusty rampart
Sans is the biggest Fusion doomer
Like they didn't just come out best team APAC 4th place overall
trim shadow
Cause atlanta slayed apac
keen abyss
i stg if glads wins all tourneys this year
the good ending
earnest leaf
glads this year kinda remind me of s3 shock in the sense that there isn't really a distinct obvious meta or comp where they get beaten at easily when it matters
keen abyss
did not age well
split flume
keen abyss
i am going to miss ovilee
cloud latch
the desk is when I go and focus in my ranked game waiting for the next match or map
near basalt
Ngl
keen abyss
i first learned about her from 5up and hafu's among us group and i didnt like her at the time
but she's great
candid radish
I don’t watch the desk
willow tartan
If it were up to me I would replace the desk with ED members
but only the ones that disagree with each other and fight each other the most
so every time the desk is on stream it's just two dudes raging at each other
zinc lintel
I think they should've waited till today to play the last game
Also what's with most the players in overwatch league looking like failed area 51 experiments
keen abyss
but only the ones that disagree with each other and fight each other the most
and every stream you throw in a random who doesn't frequent the channel
to get even shittier takes
candid radish
Also what's with most the players in overwatch league looking like failed area 5...
Cause they have to play overwatch all day
zinc lintel
Lmao
zinc lintel
Reiner is what everyone thought mag was gonna be
Poor guy mag
What's y'all's fav player
earnest leaf
Yaki
I think he'd be in the argument for top fdps if he wasn't stuck on shitter teams
twin bloom
Reiner is the first MT rookie with actual mechanical skill in a game dominated by mechanical talent
Not shocked to see him suceed
plush grail
??
balmy wolf
ggs glads again
frosty patrol
what the fuck
balmy wolf
so
NA > APAC
ez
were APAC teams on ping vs NA teams btw?
or were they also at lan
candid radish
what the fuck
Drop boston below hunters
rugged crag
yo would anyone wanna try and help coach me? Im new to OW but have lots of hours in aim trainers and other FPS games, and I play hitscan DPS, and look to get better.
willow tartan
and every stream you throw in a random who doesn't frequent the channel
the desk host is one actual broadcast talent whos forced to try and direct the show with 3 random shitheads who are trolling
willow drum
sure
frosty patrol
s3 list of flex supports, was missing like half of them
north relic
apac is very even rn
fusion easily first apac
which is a reasonable level-headed take
full lichen
full lichen
or were they also at lan
Lan
frosty patrol
were APAC teams on ping vs NA teams btw?
ping was matched for both sides
worn falcon
Just spill issue
lost thicket
i stg if glads wins all tourneys this year
they can legit win 3/4 of them
shock was their best competition this stage
and a stupid mistake on the tank and miss communication cost them it
worn falcon
Still is
worn falcon
Unless SHD have chances to change the tide
worn falcon
Or writers are busy with the new arc
worn falcon
Next tourney gonna be the JQ patch I'm guessing
lost thicket
Next tourney gonna be the JQ patch I'm guessing
yep pretty sure
and the meta is something like
lost thicket
genji (forgot the other dps) JQ Brig Lucio
OR
Moira Lucio
so we really need Moria Lucio to be top tier for shock to have a chance
and really any team beside glads to have a chance
that or maybe a zarya reaper comeback era
worn falcon
Oh god
molten portal
viol2ts lucio is pretty good
balmy wolf
so after Midseason madness who do u guys think is gonna be frontrunner for mvp
restive nexus
It's moira with 75% reduction DMG
It's so broken ;-;
worn falcon
Bloody hell
molten portal
oh yeah i forgot that shit
lost thicket
viol2ts lucio is pretty good
yeah but did finn have a good lucio or brig
worn falcon
About to sleep if we get that
lost thicket
his moira is alright but yeah
lost thicket
so after Midseason madness who do u guys think is gonna be frontrunner for mvp
reiner or kevster
molten portal
viol2ts brig is good too
lost thicket
dark horse patiphan probably
molten portal
idk about finn tho
lost thicket
yeah
shock took a gamble and it's working but they should have probably got vindaim or something
restive nexus
Do we still get owl tokens from the encore matches?
molten portal
i think so?
frosty patrol
yes
restive nexus
Good I'm 20 away from the mercy skin
molten portal
the end of the staff is really thick, it takes up alot of space idk if i like it tbh
restive nexus
That's true, I just like getting the exclusive skins
molten portal
well yeah i still bought it
worn falcon
reiner or kevster
Proper
molten portal
i think proper is easily still in the running
lost thicket
Proper
MVP should be to a team that won something
proper def is mvp caliber and top 2 for ROTY
but until shock win something I CANNOT give it to proper imo
lost thicket
homie leave
Yeah, MVP caliber but shouldn't have won
restive nexus
Someone was legitimately telling be decay should get mvp
lost thicket
but that's just my take
someone like LIP should have won MVP imo
but chengdu was consistent top 2 most of the time
so I cannot be too mad that Leave won
in that case I guess we could probably get a leave 2.0 with proper or something but yeah
frosty patrol
I mean LIP deserved it but not just because his team won something
you have to realize
most valuable player means most valuable player
devout path
Proper is guaranteed roty sadly
frosty patrol
not winningest player
molten portal
not winningest player
winning something definitely gives extra 'points' but yeah this
lost thicket
I mean LIP deserved it but not just because his team won something
his team won something off of his carry performances aswell, he saw results and had high high talent
devout path
Leave is insane player
lost thicket
Leave is insane
keen abyss
not when it counted
lost thicket
and I don't mind him winning mvp
keen abyss
kinda yeah
devout path
Disagree
lost thicket
anyways
frosty patrol
in s4 it should've been
keen abyss
lip insane player + won 3 titles
keen abyss
one being grands
keen abyss
1. lip 2. leave 3. shu
good take
frosty patrol
- void 5. hanbin
devout path
Shu is 100% recency bias
north relic
4. void 5. hanbin
Fearless is 3 or 4
lost thicket
Kevster/Proper/Reiner in the running for mvps, I think Patiphan is a sleeper pick and AlphaYi is probably a candidate if spark can clutch up the last 2 stages
frosty patrol
shu was a goat for all of s4
lost thicket
AlphaYi and Shy
keen abyss
shu also clutched up more than any other player
lost thicket
I think spark could probably win a torny
frosty patrol
I think my list at the time was like
devout path
You literally just can’t put shu above void or hanbin or fearless
north relic
Dullahan really said pati is a mvp sleeper pick
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There’s also a solid argument for yveltal
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if spark can win a regional and make a deep run they can probably get shy or alphayi for mvp candidate or roty candidate
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Dullahan really said pati is a mvp sleeper pick
no more for roty then mvp
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There’s also a solid argument for yveltal
No there isn’t he wasn’t even the best ms
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tho I doubt he will win it
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Cuz yveltal was the best ms that season imo
No imo
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It’s objectively leejaegon
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- Lip
- Leave
- Void
- Shu
- Hanbin
- Fearless
- Pelican
- Kevster
- Fielder
- Izayaki
my list at the time
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It was either LJG or yveltal
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1. Lip
2. Leave
3. Void
4. Shu
5. Hanbin
6. Fearless
7. Pelican
8. Kevster
9. Fi...
No main supports
Also what time is that
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end of s4 regular season
restive nexus
Ew you put someone from fuel on the list 💀
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oh
frosty patrol
before playins
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Ljg and yveltal deserve to be on the mvp list just sadly no one cares about main supports
They were actually insane players
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They were actually insane players
Cause ms has the least impact
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it’s true
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A good main support dictates the entire game but is also invisible because they are the entire game
If there is one thing you should not argue with me on it’s how impactful main supports are in a coordinated environment
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honestly if shock won dorado and proper didn't fuck up on genji
I'd still say he's in the lead
but next torny whatever
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addi be like: yvektsl mvp he pocketed jinmu kinda good
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we get it
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mid brig mid lucio
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None of you understand ow macro in a coordinated environment
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there is no universe where the best m*rcy gets mvp
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Ofc there isn’t
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ms is very important
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maybe addi thinks
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You think a main support ever gets recognized for how good they are
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but mercy is pretty much not
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MS is best role
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yveltal mvp!! he threw a tantrum and cost chengdu their playoffs run
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like that
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because genetics
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Main support and main tank are the two most important roles
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maybe addi thinks
unlikely
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Objectively
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Main support and main tank are the two most important roles
fdps and mt
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then ot and fs
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then ms and hs
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When they frag
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people as faith, ljg, fastro, etc
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?
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I will rate xerneas well this season when I see him perform
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in the game
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Shooting 4 bullets and killing 4 people isn’t actually relevant
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also least impactful
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(when I watch a chengdu game)
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(never)
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Levy
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Idk why ur arguing with me on this when it is objectively true
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sorry man
its kind of a lobby filler
you cannot argue its objectively true lol
just in your own mind
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I agree with “Levy | Rest In Peace alarm”
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no she’s onto something
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easiest role
are you mentally ill?
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shock lost mid season
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bc no chad main support
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are you mentally ill?
stay mad
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no moth no win
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sorry
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bc no chad main support
Obviously a shitter fs plays worse than a actual ms on ms
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Is fdgod as good as moth
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Main tank and main support control the entire game
On a macro level they are objectively the most important players
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they frag, shot call, care for the team, control the enemy team, cancel ults and just a lot more
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just untrue
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Idk why you are using objectively
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the micro and macro are all so fucking important on most teams
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they frag, shot call, care for the team, control the enemy team, cancel ults and...
I can name a bunch of things off tanks do too
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Levy
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imagine if ch0r0ng was on a team that could utilize him
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Probably
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i understand
a little bit of shockage
through your nervous system
currently
i understand
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Or nyxl
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I hate having to stay on a moral high ground of not using the coach card
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imagine if houston had muze and ch0r0ng
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no don’t make him suffer even more
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what coach card
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I can name a bunch of things off tanks do too
mt and ms
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imagine if houston had muze and ch0r0ng
Mike do you think ms is the least impactful role
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u have no such cards
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I do have such cards
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Mike do you think ms is the least impactful role
depends on the ms
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sure sure
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are pretty much the two groups you need to be GOOD good
i can say the same thing
for hitscan
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mercy and certain brig comps yes
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flex support
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depends on the ms
Every role is equally skilled which gets the least impact
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lucio no
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etc
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depends on the ms
ch0r0ng is arguably the best ms rn and he can’t do shit for Toronto so
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yes but happy and vigilante cannot do shit for washington
and are top 5 on their roles
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the best hitscan in the league was able to drag shanghai to winner semis
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especially
in 5v5
lip
has the biggest impact
no matter which lobby
oh yeah he is DPS
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ch0r0ng is arguably the best ms rn and he can’t do shit for Toronto so
Main supports and main tanks can make them be in a good situation macro wise but the rest of the team just can’t follow through
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its a team game
and ur argument for
MS is most impactful role is
"u need one of ur five players to be good"
damn bro thats crazy
🥵
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They control the entire macro game smiley face
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You simply just don’t realize how much the macro of the game comes down to main support and main tank decision making
Or maybe
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You don’t realize how impactful macro game is
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I hate valorant
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Low skill is also funny
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We just came out a double flex meta
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masaa made it to season 4 grand finals
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We just came out of a bap/ana main support meta
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Lol
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its literally just your role
how ur entire team acts on it
is the important part
unlucky
gg go next
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Ms is on the mercy of their team
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i agree
they just have no impact individually
quite sad
oh yeah
another great example
of great team that had a mid MS
dallas
last year
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its literally just your role
It’s just ur role to click heads or press w or peel
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yep
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Saying that is so dumb because everyone in owl is a pro for a reason
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They already know all of that the best players know how to do that and more at the same time
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i just disagree that MS is the most impactful role
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Dps is the most important role atleast in ow2
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Dps is the most important role atleast in ow2
It’s tank in my honest opinion
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It’s tank in my honest opinion
Look at philly and shock
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Ok
cedar oasis
All dps
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Look at philly and shock
Look glads and Seoul they both won the first tourney and have the two best main tanks
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I’m not gonna try to argue with you on that
Because it comes down to just learning the game
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Look glads and Seoul they both won the first tourney and have the two best main ...
They also have some of the best dps
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Dps is the most important role atleast in ow2
tank dps fs ms
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Because it comes down to just learning the game
i agree
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ms is ultra important most of the time tends to be more important then hitscan tho
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you have a long way to go
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but
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Levy
lost thicket
on certain comps like rush
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ms is ultra important most of the time tends to be more important then hitscan ...
Hitscan is so impactful shock vs glads was who got the first pick
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absolutely
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Hitscan is so impactful shock vs glads was who got the first pick
yeah
it's why this discussing is stupid
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I have been a coach for multiple 4.3k teams and have actively helped people get into open division teams
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every role is important every sub role aswell
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addi
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all depends on comp map and everything else
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i literally dont care
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I have been a coach for multiple 4.3k teams and have actively helped people get ...
I could get into OD
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I could get into OD
Like high level OD teams
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it's just kinda r word to argue
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Hitscan is so impactful shock vs glads was who got the first pick
that was
nice to watch
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Sephy is an owl coach and had his team make 3rd place