esports-discussion

[old stag]

recall w/ no blink?

[mortal cipher]

Might be

[earnest leaf]

mn3 off sojourn/ashe = ♿

[brave zenith]

he didn’t do half as bad that match as reaver

teacer

Tracer

[old stag]

reaver

[fast tusk]

what an unlucky throw from mn3

[brave zenith]

real.

[old stag]

did they play the clip?

of mn3 voiding

[tropic herald]

?

[split flume]

Rewatching oasis and shu almost 100-0'd proper as Ana without nade

[balmy wolf]

MOREWETH GANG 🐹✊

[split flume]

Shu is a fucking freak

[twin bloom]

He's the most social player from AT imo

[balmy wolf]

goatlanta buff

mute stream

[old stag]

british rap?

what

i no longer like atlanta

[balmy wolf]

hes not british

hes a pretty popular guy inside atlanta

[fast tusk]

probs from kai song playlist

[mortal cipher]

Kai is British

Atl on KR. Hmm

[balmy wolf]

the rapper isnt

[mortal cipher]

Oh

[balmy wolf]

atlanta KR is alright

i think philly is defintely better tho

[mortal cipher]

Sombra isn’t good fyi

[balmy wolf]

its okay

imo sombra can be good

but not with mn3 emps

[mortal cipher]

You can see teams it looks so risky

Like if the top 2 sonbras struggke with it it’s v telling

[earnest leaf]

playing sig

and belosrea in

k

[stuck radish]

i just found out shockwave got dropped

vancouver's season is over

ggs

[mortal cipher]

Yeah

The hope is likely over unless somehow there was a reason and they do better

[lusty musk]

damnnn

[old stag]

fusion stepping up when it doesn't matter

[mortal cipher]

Aimgod just kicked

[stuck radish]

anyone remember these

[old stag]

spitfire trash even with predictions

[lusty musk]

🗿

atlanta vs shanghai

[mortal cipher]

Yikes

[lusty musk]

zen's kick is brutal

[mortal cipher]

Fr

[lusty musk]

this wasnt even fair

[earnest leaf]

apac a fraud ass region

[lusty musk]

the solo zen flux 🗿

[twin bloom]

Major support gap

Lol

[old stag]

What is philly's third dps?

mn3, zest, and who

[inland quail]

carpe

[mortal cipher]

Carpe

[lusty musk]

if mn got nano it could've been different ngl

[mortal cipher]

Yeah

[old stag]

i haven't seen carpe in any matches so far

[mortal cipher]

It’s been awhile

[lusty musk]

reign 3-0 sweep?

[fast tusk]

philly dps just playing musical chairs

[lusty musk]

when will junker queen be usable though

[old stag]

next tourney

[mortal cipher]

Maybe

So 3-2 3-1 3-nil

[keen abyss]

is the fraud team

having a fraud moment

again

[old stag]

fraud team?

[lofty shale]

lol coluge did get fined btw

and im guessing reiner did as well but reiner doesn't have any social media i dont think

[old stag]

fined?

[paper totem]

Wait so can these teams literally only practice in scrims Bc no one else has access to beta

[lofty shale]

yea

middle finger

[old stag]

cringe owl

[lofty shale]

him and reiner gave eachother the bird

it was funny as shit

owl fining players for making their stream more entertaining smh

[old stag]

agreed

[lofty shale]

but i guess they have to or else their non existent sponsors would get mad

[stuck radish]

philly can win this series

[lofty shale]

getting 2 fines in one day is probably more money than owl has made this entire season

maybe the valiant players can get paid now

[stuck radish]

if they win this then next map is push which atl sucks at

and map 5 just hope you win

[old stag]

did they say how much the fines would be?

[lofty shale]

no but i think it's somewhere around 500-1000

[old stag]

cring

[lofty shale]

i think birdring's fine was in that range

[stuck radish]

should only get fined if its hostile imo

[old stag]

honestly this is almost as cringe as fining a player for teabagging

[split flume]

A player was never fined for teabagging

[lofty shale]

or sorry no it was profit that got fined before not birdring

[old stag]

thats my point

[lofty shale]

yea profit payed 1k

so i imagine owl just made 2k off of coluge and reiner

literal fucking swear jar is owl's only source of income

that's why the setup is so shit

[stuck radish]

worth it for the memes

imo

[lofty shale]

oh yea 100% worth it but it's fucking stupid

no one is sitting there gasping and having a fucking fit about a middle finger lmao

overwatch league thinking anyone who watches the league is under the age of like 12

they're all too busy playing cod shitting on everyone

[old stag]

OWL has what 3 sponsors?

shanghai dragons, jack in the box, and 1 else iirc

[split flume]

Ah yes

Known sponsor of the overwatch league

Franchise team shanghai dragons

[lofty shale]

yea do dragons give money to the league or something?

doubt it they already payed 20 million to be there

or whatever the fuck it was

i think their only sponsor is youtube

everyone else backed the fuck out

[last nimbus]

TIL that atlanta players use enhancements boosters in tournaments

[lofty shale]

wouldn't be surprising

im sure a good amount of players at least use adderall

[mortal cipher]

To keep you awake

[last nimbus]

Yeah drugs isnt tested at all in eSports

[lofty shale]

arc said something along the lines of "if you're not using it, you're putting yourself at a disadvantage" and implied he knew a lot of players he knew were using it

that was a long time ago though

i doubt it's changed much

[mortal cipher]

At least they didn’t choose the other push map

[lofty shale]

it sucks so bad that there's only 2 push maps, like oh yea you get the choice between 2 fucking maps

[mortal cipher]

Yeah

[lofty shale]

vs like being able to choose from a bunch of maps

[mortal cipher]

yeah

Unfortunate

Maybe a new push next

[lofty shale]

there defi needs to be a lot more than just 2 push maps at launch but they need to make some changes to colosseo imo

new queen's street is fine

[mortal cipher]

Definitely

[lofty shale]

it's that colosseo hardly ever goes past the bottom portion of the bridge

and it's boring af

[mortal cipher]

Yeah

[lofty shale]

just playing on the same part of the map for 10 minutes

[old stag]

colosseo > new queens street

[mortal cipher]

It’s hard to get past it

[old stag]

queens street is too flat

[last nimbus]

So what does Adderall do exactly

[lofty shale]

helps you focus a lot better

[last nimbus]

Doesnt it create more dopamine

[mortal cipher]

Yeah

Focus drug

[lofty shale]

it's normally for people with like adhd

i think

[mortal cipher]

Yeah

Sometimes it doesn’t help

[last nimbus]

Oh is that the shit they give to people that have adhd and need to study or make a test

Right

[lofty shale]

idk my friend fucking hated taking adderall

[old stag]

you can get an adderall perscription if you have adhd iirc

[lofty shale]

said it made him feel like no emotion or anything

[last nimbus]

Flora high on that shit then lol

[old stag]

if you hyperfocus, adderall will be very bad for you

hyperfixate*

[lofty shale]

the adderall epidemic in esports is kinda fucking depressing

because you have all these super young people risking getting addicted to drugs just to help them win

like adderall is mega addicting

[last nimbus]

Idk if everyone takes it but yeah if they have trouble focusing on the things that coaches told you to and stuff like that it seems likely they do

Anyways can we talk about atlanta having plot armor

[lofty shale]

i mean they haven't won yet

[old stag]

disagree

[lofty shale]

lookin bad for philly though

[last nimbus]

This tourna actually looked at my preds and decided to go the entire opposite way

[old stag]

philly has nothing left in the gas chamber

[mortal cipher]

Same

[last nimbus]

I have seoul in grand finals winning 4-2 over shock LOL

[old stag]

I'm very happy with how this tourney is turning out

wish mayhem had gone a bit farther but

its whatever

[lofty shale]

the have transce and pulse and they just lost that fight so nvm

[mortal cipher]

I had Seoul Shanghai

[lofty shale]

3 minutes

[lofty shale]

ouch

[last nimbus]

I didn't watch shock v glads tho how was that

[lofty shale]

i really dont fucking get what happened to soeul

seoul

how tf did they get 0-2'd lmao

[mortal cipher]

Yeah I had 4-3 Shanghai Seoul

[last nimbus]

Don't know what happened to dallas either

[old stag]

shock dominated

[last nimbus]

Don't know why shd decided to get rolled today either

[lofty shale]

eh dallas haven't been that impressive in general this tournament cycle

[mortal cipher]

They fell for unknown reasons

[lofty shale]

like dallas dont even really have a good sojourn player

[last nimbus]

Well i thought they would at least go a little further than 0-2

[old stag]

seoul in this tourney is shock in kickoff clash

just didn't really show up

[plush grail]

Push is such a cringe gamemode

[lofty shale]

like dallas were basically just "hope sp9rkle gets a 4k every fight" and win

[mortal cipher]

I mean they got swept by Shanghai which I thought it would’ve been a bagger

[lofty shale]

and tbf sp9rkle got quite a few 4ks

[mortal cipher]

Banger

[lofty shale]

but it just wasn't enough

uv looked so confused

lmao

[earnest leaf]

apac ohnonono

[keen abyss]

@inland quail

yo

[hot patio]

APAC in shambles

[lofty shale]

"what just happened??" LMAO

[inland quail]

it happens

they beat dallas

[mortal cipher]

Yeah he was confused

[keen abyss]

5 map banger

[inland quail]

beat florida

[split flume]

SMOKIN THAT APACK

[balmy wolf]

ggs

[inland quail]

beat huangzhoui comeback

its fine

4th overall

I think thats good

they had a good run

[lofty shale]

dude if atlanta beat glads this shit is so rigged lmao

[last nimbus]

Wait so what's the bracket looking like

[balmy wolf]

It's Atlanta

[mortal cipher]

It would be funny tho

[old stag]

who knocked ATL down to the losers bracket?

[earnest leaf]

fraud ass region

[balmy wolf]

Glads vs Atlanta losers final

[mortal cipher]

London

[inland quail]

they beat dallas lmaooo

[old stag]

no shit?

[balmy wolf]

London 💀

[mortal cipher]

Actually tho

[balmy wolf]

London rolled us

[keen abyss]

dallas just

[old stag]

what

[keen abyss]

didnt show up to the tournament

[balmy wolf]

Yeah

[lofty shale]

how tf were london the ones to put them in losers

[old stag]

how did london knock down ATL

[balmy wolf]

We got rolled by London

[old stag]

and ATL beat seoul

and philly

[mortal cipher]

London embarrassed atl

[balmy wolf]

I think London just counters Atlanta imo

[earnest leaf]

dallas ain't good

[old stag]

wow

[earnest leaf]

and all of apac is gone from top 3

[balmy wolf]

It happened last time too

[earnest leaf]

fraud region

[lofty shale]

so theoretically london>seoul, shanghai, and fusion?

[balmy wolf]

Yes

[mortal cipher]

In this stage I would say so

[inland quail]

this unintelligent convo is over after that mentally insane and stupid statement

[balmy wolf]

Are you saying they are good?

[inland quail]

they aint bad

[earnest leaf]

mf dallas took 1 map this whole tourney and was struggling all of qualifiers

[balmy wolf]

Yes they are

[keen abyss]

did you watch dallas

[tiny pollen]

if atlanta >> fusion and fusion > spark and spark = glads and shock > glads does that mean atlanta is gonna win this

[inland quail]

they are good in my opinion

[balmy wolf]

Dallas are terrible

[keen abyss]

did you see the shanghai match

[balmy wolf]

Your opinion is wrong

[inland quail]

lmao

[mortal cipher]

They are good but not great

[inland quail]

didnt they get second in kickoff clash

[balmy wolf]

They are sub par

[inland quail]

cap

they are par

[balmy wolf]

Yeah when hanbin can play Arya

[mortal cipher]

I was expecting a good series v Shanghai with Dallas

[inland quail]

or above

[lofty shale]

dallas are just a worse version of fusion and spark, they just pray and hope their dps kill everything, but hanbin and fearless are better than fusion/spark tanks

[keen abyss]

dallas were good when zarya reaper was good

which it isnt anymore

they one tricked one comp

[balmy wolf]

When Dallas can't play zarya they are a sub par team

[keen abyss]

and then it became bad

[fast tusk]

also is this the first time atlanta beat fusion

[balmy wolf]

KC record carried Dallas to 4th seed

[inland quail]

the thing about you guys in this server is that when a good team loses yall just shit on it constantly and your opinions are swayed by one match

[balmy wolf]

Yes

That's the point

[mortal cipher]

Yeah

[lofty shale]

even while one tricking the zarya they weren't really that crazy

[fast tusk]

wow

[last nimbus]

Wdym?? Guriyo sojourn is kinda fire 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[inland quail]

who is atlanta playing now

[keen abyss]

how is spark = glads but fusion > spark

[balmy wolf]

Glads

[fast tusk]

glads

[keen abyss]

what is this mental gymnastics shit

[balmy wolf]

And the winner plays shock in finals

[keen abyss]

fusion spark was literally closer than glads spark

[fast tusk]

i think atlanta has a good chance against glads

[balmy wolf]

I mean

It's eh

Maybe like

25%

[last nimbus]

Atlanta just smoking something in Hawaii tho

Like something else

[balmy wolf]

We smoke something every tourney now

[mortal cipher]

Atlanta In losers is literally a demon

[tiny pollen]

i didnt watch that game so closeness doesnt matter

[balmy wolf]

True

Last season and this season

[keen abyss]

i dont want to see a repeat

[last nimbus]

They terrible regular szn but pop in tournaments

[keen abyss]

of 2021 playoffs

[balmy wolf]

Well I do

Atlanta gf baby

[mortal cipher]

Or KC

[fast tusk]

fr, its happend so many times

[keen abyss]

glads only lose to atlanta if they troll hard

glads are the better team

by quite a bit

[balmy wolf]

Yeh

[keen abyss]

glads only went 3-2 against spark

because they trolled

and they only lost to shock

[last nimbus]

Do yall think shock will win grand finals

[balmy wolf]

I think spark beat fusion normally

[keen abyss]

because they trolled and picked CR

[balmy wolf]

Yes I do

[mortal cipher]

At this point it should be known if you kick Atlanta down you’ve down so at yer own and everyones peril

[balmy wolf]

I doubted shock a bit going into it

[last nimbus]

I mean its pretty obvious they're the most consistent team rn

[balmy wolf]

But after today shock match

I think shock win

[mortal cipher]

Most likely

[keen abyss]

i can see shock glads

going either way

[mortal cipher]

Unless something happens

[last nimbus]

Did they play viol2t ana again

Today

[keen abyss]

but i cant see atlanta beating shock

[balmy wolf]

A bit

But not mostly

[mortal cipher]

It’s possible

[last nimbus]

Did finn play ana

[balmy wolf]

Not that I know of

[fast tusk]

honestly i think reign have a better chance against shock then glads

[mortal cipher]

Yeah

[keen abyss]

shock are on a hotstreak

[last nimbus]

Idk why he plays ana all off a sudden

[keen abyss]

atlanta only wins against boomed teams

[balmy wolf]

Definitely

[last nimbus]

Is it cause he wants to improve or is it cause hes better than Finn on ana

[keen abyss]

that's so cap

that's like saying

reign had a better chance against shanghai

than glads

in 2021

[lofty shale]

gator hasn't played a single fucking map lmao

[balmy wolf]

Have you ever thought

[lofty shale]

why interview gator

[balmy wolf]

About the fact that it's because sfs and Atlanta have the same way of playing

As opposed to glads

[fast tusk]

dude do you realize how many times shock lost to reign in tournaments

[balmy wolf]

So Atlanta is more likely to win into a mirror than being outclassed by the glads

[fast tusk]

4 TIMES

[keen abyss]

different shock squad

[lofty shale]

interviewing gator while he has a fucking glads hat on is the greatest shit ever

[keen abyss]

and KC shock

[fast tusk]

STILL

[keen abyss]

is very different

from MM shock

[fast tusk]

LAST TOURNAMENT

[balmy wolf]

Bruv

[keen abyss]

KC shock

[lofty shale]

has anyone asked gator about the glads cap?

[balmy wolf]

Calm down

[keen abyss]

is not the same

as MM shock

[old stag]

gator going savage

[keen abyss]

shock looks 10x better this tourney

they've been playing up to their potential

instead of choking every map

[candid radish]

Fusion crying, Kai laughing, reign reigning, I’ve run out rhymes that make sense

[balmy wolf]

The desk deserves to cry

Cringe desk

[lofty shale]

damn gator confident

at least philly wasn't 2nd this time LMAO

[inland quail]

true that woulda hurt more

[lofty shale]

they came a solid 3rd

[earnest leaf]

at least philly was first out of the apac teams

[lofty shale]

^^^

[inland quail]

but philly did WAY better than expected

[lofty shale]

1st in something

[inland quail]

beating dallas florida and spark

not bad

[keen abyss]

4th

[lofty shale]

oh yea 4th you right

[candid radish]

So who’s left

[inland quail]

shock atl glads

right?

[lofty shale]

yea

[inland quail]

maybe im wrong

[lofty shale]

you're right

[candid radish]

Shock winning

[brave zenith]

so what

it's reign vs glads now

?

[candid radish]

Yeah

[earnest leaf]

reign vs glads then winner faces shock

[keen abyss]

if reign wins against glads

[brave zenith]

i could see reign beating glads

[keen abyss]

shock wins the tourney

[candid radish]

and then hock vs winner

[keen abyss]

if glads win against reign

it goes either way

[lofty shale]

dude i was thinking that going to college in hawaii would be sick but then i thought about it and the cost of living is probably just not possible to maintain lmao

[keen abyss]

reign always loses first round

then makes a loser run

cleaning up boomed and nervous teams

they never clean it up

[earnest leaf]

Atlanta is american fusion

[keen abyss]

they can't beat a team that's in their stride

[earnest leaf]

unable to win anything

[balmy wolf]

Fusion definitely weren't a boomed team

[keen abyss]

glads took it very close to shock

you can tell those teams are even

[balmy wolf]

They played amazing during the whole tournament

[keen abyss]

if pati had woken up on the other side of the bed

glads could've easily won that match

the teams are dead even rn

atlanta

[balmy wolf]

If ans and space did

[keen abyss]

is worse than shock they will not win

[inland quail]

uh huh

[keen abyss]

there's no universe

where glads win CR

that was just a terrible decision

[inland quail]

honestly

its shock

[keen abyss]

ans has not shown up this stage

[balmy wolf]

It should still be much closer

[keen abyss]

choosing to play ans

was not the play

[balmy wolf]

Honestly

[inland quail]

mf shock fans are even more annoying than seoul fans lmao

[keen abyss]

ans needs more practice

[balmy wolf]

I might consider ans a mid DPS now

Idk

[lofty shale]

yea coluge is easily the best sig in the league circuit royal was a terrible choice for glads

[earnest leaf]

Ans sadly looking B tier lately

[balmy wolf]

Until he gets his practice

Assuming he does

[keen abyss]

love the man he is the homie! but he needs more practice

[inland quail]

coluge on that fat pack

[lofty shale]

and ans just not good enough to do shit against kilo

[keen abyss]

he needs ow2 ranked desperately

[balmy wolf]

He also just need a new meta

[earnest leaf]

especially hurts he plays so few maps so he gets less practice

[balmy wolf]

Ashe is the only hard hitscan that is viable at all off of CR

[earnest leaf]

where as s9mm/kilo pretty evenly play maps

[lofty shale]

so wait was that one dude capping or is bren actually casting finals?

there was someone i dont remember who saying that he is

[keen abyss]

they may have been talking about val

[earnest leaf]

doubt bren is

he's doing val stuff atm

it will either be uber/mrx or achillios/avrl

[lofty shale]

hopefully it's uber matt

uber so hype

[mortal cipher]

Yeah

[balmy wolf]

I hope uber

I think that the league knows they are fan favorites

[lofty shale]

that fucking sleepdart made spark lose that series tbh

if shy doesn't get slept there i think spark win that map

[balmy wolf]

So happy about it

Idk if Atlanta would have won against spark

Probably not

[lofty shale]

eh depends

[balmy wolf]

Shy and Alphayi would have outclassed reign DPS imo

[lofty shale]

spark and fusion are very even

basically just the same team

hope your dps pop the fuck off

[balmy wolf]

Nah

[lofty shale]

sometimes your tank and supports do stuff too

[balmy wolf]

Fusion more well rounded imo

Spark more reliable on shy

[lofty shale]

maybe a by a little bit

[earnest leaf]

fusion also rely heavily on mn3/zest to carry

[balmy wolf]

And if kai gets shutdown the team is shutdown

[earnest leaf]

all of apac needs their dps to deadlift them

[balmy wolf]

And I think shy would have shut him down

But fusion didn't

[lofty shale]

nah seoul is very well rounded imo, creative isn't too crazy but the rest of them are very good

[balmy wolf]

Agreed on Seoul

[keen abyss]

what

[lofty shale]

seoul just folded so fucking hard for no reason

[keen abyss]

alphayi is cracked

[balmy wolf]

But imo fusion without their DPS are much more than spark without their DPS

So they are more well rounded

Imo

[lofty shale]

idk about 'much' more but yea a lil bit since fixa is kinda goated

but spark do have guxue

guxue kinda goated at least on winston

[balmy wolf]

Yeh

[trim shadow]

Ahh glads in trouble

[fast tusk]

tru

[trim shadow]

At least na final is guranteed

[tiny pollen]

Shock should sign lip next year

[balmy wolf]

damn 2-3 glads vs shock

must've been a banger match

[earnest leaf]

1st map shock kinda threw and fucked up, 2nd shocked looked pretty strong, 3rd shock did super well again, glads made an insane comeback map 4 and map 5 was a bit underwhelming

[trim shadow]

Atlanta the apac slayers

[keen abyss]

this is such a shock fan pov

map 1 glads played pretty dominantly and shock had some issues regarding point control and compositions

map 2 shock played well and glads had compositional issues

map 3 glads chose shock's arguable best map

and one where glads had glaring weaknesses

as ans is not playing well

kilo is solid on that map

and proper is a very good soj

map 4

was one of the best maps

of ow2

so far

very big rollercoaster that was very competitive

what you'd expect from a clash between glads and shock

and map 5

was basically the first map but in reverse

[earnest leaf]

No that's just how the maps went

Basically it came down to if glads could run MS comps or not

If it was double FS shock had a clear upperhand

[deft wolf]

what the heck is vancouver gonna do about shockwave

[balmy wolf]

wdym

they dropped him

[molten portal]

i mean they cant do anything

hes gone

[sullen berry]

That's a very scuffed analysis tbh

[vagrant cargo]

my Atlanta hatred has gone down @twin bloom

They are very based for eliminating every single apac team imo

[last nimbus]

https://i.imgur.com/hmkINUE.png this is ~half a seasons worth of coins

[split flume]

i need to find the reiner to my coluge

[trim shadow]

Whats up with teams and underutilizing shockwave

Can he please goto a team that can use him

It was fucking dpei huh

Cause all vancouver had todo was hit the right meta and boom they are gucci

Fucking canadian bastards

[willow drum]

@willow tartan As of today

NA >> APAC

[trim shadow]

Atlanta litterally slayed all of the apac teams excluding hangzhou

[frosty patrol]

disagree

dragons and seoul simply got boomed

it's one >

[willow drum]

cope

[trim shadow]

They got destroyed

Sorta

[willow drum]

there are no apac teams

left in the tournament

[frosty patrol]

since remember a lot of "good" NA teams got BTFOed by APAC

like fuel

[willow drum]

okay let me rephrase

the predicted very top of na (lag and sfs) >> the predicted very top of apac (shd and seoul)

[trim shadow]

Man i wish atlanta was this good during the regular season

[frosty patrol]

Which is the same as the kickoff clash basically: NA better top, APAC better overall

[devout path]

Apac actually just threw

[willow drum]

top of NA are better

not surprised

Proper unironically just the best DPS

in the world

Actually so cracked

If you say people like Alphayi or Shy...

no no no

They are not that caliber of MVP that Proper has been

[devout path]

Keep coping

[north relic]

?

its spark and fusion

[devout path]

Shy still mvp

[north relic]

not those frauds

[willow drum]

Says nobody ever

You should cope harder imo

Spark lost to Fusion and Glads

Shock haven't

[devout path]

That was not shys fault

[willow drum]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

he shouldn't have gotten slept by fixa

on the push map

[devout path]

Like saying it’s lips fault Shanghai lost

[willow drum]

if he was mvp caliber he would have dodged it

[willow drum]

shanghai lost cause fleta is ass

alphayi is not ass

they lost because they were not good enough to beat glads

[willow drum]

coming into the tourney

we all predicted seoul and shanghai to be top 4

[devout path]

They lost cuz kevster randomly just started fucking

[keen abyss]

why didn’t shy

or alphayi

just fuck harder ?

is the shy individual

not clutch enough to be mvp

[balmy wolf]

Because Philly best apac team

Silly

[keen abyss]

not even the best hs in the league how is he mvp level

alphayi worse than both zest and proper

as fdps rookies

[balmy wolf]

Imo it looks like he is because he deadlifts

So he looks like an MVP

But he isn't

[keen abyss]

shy is like a

slightly more consistent mn3

[balmy wolf]

A high A tier dps imo

[keen abyss]

and lip is just a very consistent version

[willow drum]

if shy gets mvp

it will be the ROBBERY of the century

[keen abyss]

league is over

[balmy wolf]

Imo apac atm only has 3 MVP canidates

[willow drum]

because Lip deserves it

There is no reason why Shy should get it

Lip is just better

[keen abyss]

hangzhou needs to win multiple tourneys this season going forward

[willow drum]

Lip is not only more consistent, he is also better, and he carries more deadweight

[keen abyss]

and shy needs to be the carry

for him to get mvp

over Kevin or proper or lip

lip does better than shy does in worse circumstances

[willow drum]

mhm

i also think proper dps diffed kevster

yesterday

[keen abyss]

lip puts up more with a bad team against a good team than shy does with a good team against a mid team

[willow drum]

yesterday was DPS diff

[keen abyss]

proper is the front runner for mvp between the two as of right now I will agree

but Kevin could easily turn it

[balmy wolf]

Probably

[willow drum]

supa do you wanna guess

the widow duel scoreline yesterday

on CR?

between kilo and ans

[keen abyss]

0-5

[balmy wolf]

1-6

[willow drum]

ye

it was 5-0 for kilo

kilo beat ans in every single widow duel

[keen abyss]

I never agreed with the ans pick

[balmy wolf]

Sheesh

[keen abyss]

he has potential as a player

but it’s not this stage

and probably not this season

[willow drum]

agree

[keen abyss]

I think if ans isn’t done after this season

he has potential for season 6

to return to form fully

but that may be his last shot

and idk if glads would give him another year

regardless

[devout path]

Unfortunate

That he didn’t do well in val

[keen abyss]

I want him to succeed

it’s just

please don’t play him right now

god but

fuck the glads ‘fans’ who are treating ans

like the average shock fan treats their less than top tier players

[devout path]

Ans is still the widow goat

[keen abyss]

I didn’t feel shame in being a glads fan until this tourney

[balmy wolf]

I don't like ans cause he might beat Kai

Very 5head

[willow drum]

they are getting bandwagoners

[keen abyss]

the bandwagoners have come

[willow drum]

yeah

[keen abyss]

Ive been a glads fan since

January 2018

I believe

when the skins first dropped

so it sucks seeing

what is happening to the fanbase

they were always a relatively popular franchise but

[balmy wolf]

I've been Atlanta fan since they were created

In 2019

[keen abyss]

the fanbase is becoming infested by shock fan types

[balmy wolf]

They lost super they need a new team

[willow drum]

okay surely

atlanta dont beat glads

and then beat shock in the finals

[keen abyss]

that can’t happen

shock only lose in a 50% chance if glads making finals

and glads have a 50% chance of making finals

so there’s a 25% chance shock loses

[balmy wolf]

I think they mightttt be able to beat glads

Like 20/80 odds

But obviously glads are just better all around by a good amount

But Kai maybe can win it

[keen abyss]

Atlanta are in their best environment

the loser bracket of an international tourney

[balmy wolf]

Actually

I don't wanna say we never beat the glads

[keen abyss]

feasting on boomed teams fallen from the winner bracket

[balmy wolf]

Cause we beat them in this exact match last year

But in playoffs

[frosty patrol]

glads are becoming a bottom tier fanbase

[keen abyss]

Atlanta are the bottom feeder team

[frosty patrol]

currently that is only reign and shock

[keen abyss]

they clean up the scraps

[balmy wolf]

No no

They are the best

[keen abyss]

is low tier houston dallas philly then

[balmy wolf]

I want speedily here

[frosty patrol]

houston dallas philly glads

[balmy wolf]

I hope he makes an impact right away

[split flume]

what the fuck does brad do to atlanta between regular season games and tournament games

[balmy wolf]

No Atlanta?

[keen abyss]

Atlanta is a team that thrives entirely on spite

[balmy wolf]

Or as edgy gator says

[keen abyss]

and spite is at the highest in the lower bracket of big tourneys

[balmy wolf]

We are the villains

[keen abyss]

they want to spite all the fanbases of the teams that doubt them in losers

[balmy wolf]

[keen abyss]

unfortunately 90% of reign fans are massive losers

[balmy wolf]

Wrong

Well maybe right

[keen abyss]

so rooting for the team is impossible

[balmy wolf]

But I'm in the 10%

No it's not

[keen abyss]

unless there’s a really fucjing stupid shitter philly fan

in chat

[balmy wolf]

Lol

[keen abyss]

then I temporarily let bygones be bygones

[devout path]

I hate philly

[keen abyss]

and pray on philly’s downfall

[devout path]

Troll team

[balmy wolf]

I gotta rep the home team tho they gotta do some really fucked up stuff for me not to love Atlanta

[keen abyss]

then go back to hating reign

[devout path]

They signed gator

Is that not fucked up enough

[balmy wolf]

But he's benched so it's okay

It would be if he played

[keen abyss]

bro doesn’t even provide snyrning to the team

[balmy wolf]

He provides glads hats

[keen abyss]

he’s getting paid to sit on his ass being a shitter on Twitter and buying nfts

[balmy wolf]

yep

[keen abyss]

gator is one of the bandwagoners

so fucked up

[balmy wolf]

I wonder if speedily will make a big difference when he is of age

Or if he will kinda wait till next szn

[keen abyss]

he will

[balmy wolf]

To do much

Cause idk how meta tracer is gonna be

[keen abyss]

speedily singlehandedly turns Atlanta from a bottom feeding team who can’t actually put up results in grand finals

to a title contender

[devout path]

What role does speedily play again

[keen abyss]

fdps

which is

[balmy wolf]

Genji and echo mostly

[devout path]

Oh ok

[keen abyss]

Atlanta’s biggest hole

[balmy wolf]

Imo it's tank

Although

[devout path]

So seeker is the hitscan player

[keen abyss]

nah hawk is good

[balmy wolf]

That's changed over the last few days

[keen abyss]

were seeekr and speedily partners ?

[devout path]

Idk

[balmy wolf]

Lol

[keen abyss]

seeker is

boston

[devout path]

They have super similar names so I got them messed up

[keen abyss]

ohh

I remember speedily being touted as like

a mini proper

coming into the season

[balmy wolf]

Yeah

I mean

[keen abyss]

similar heroes

[willow drum]

speedily is nowhere close to proper

off the echo

[balmy wolf]

He was below proper

Well that's the point

[devout path]

And I remember venom being called the next striker

[balmy wolf]

He only plays 2

Heros

[willow drum]

Speedily is better than Proper

on 1 character

[keen abyss]

diffed

[balmy wolf]

Agreed

[keen abyss]

profit

[balmy wolf]

Eh

[willow drum]

speedily > proper on mei

but otherwise

[balmy wolf]

Lol

Nah

[willow drum]

their genji and echo are equal

[keen abyss]

@willow drum you fool

[willow drum]

and speedily tracer

is not

[keen abyss]

look at what you’ve provided me

[willow drum]

i dont mean it

[balmy wolf]

I think speedily is better than proper in a genji and echo mirror

[willow drum]

he is not better than proper

[balmy wolf]

But if proper plays tracer he is better

Imo

[willow drum]

on characters not named mei

[willow drum]

hes not

proper echo and genji are elite

[balmy wolf]

I think he is

So are speedily

[devout path]

Na contenders players r so overrated

[balmy wolf]

Treeko

[devout path]

Who is treeko

[balmy wolf]

Your region has 3 MVP canidates

[willow drum]

but speedily is also NA player

[devout path]

!!player treeko

[young fractal]

For more information about an OWL player, please refer to liquipedia: https://liquipedia.net/overwatch/treeko

[devout path]

There is still no treeko

[balmy wolf]

I'm gonna kill you

[keen abyss]

1

[devout path]

There isn’t a treeko???

[keen abyss]

[restive nexus]

wOOOOO do it

[balmy wolf]

I think profit smurf and lip

Can take it

[keen abyss]

2 shock fans in chat

[balmy wolf]

Depending how their teams do

[keen abyss]

the balance has been disrupted

we had 1 glad 1 shock 1 atl 1 spark

[devout path]

I hate na fans

[keen abyss]

everything was even

[devout path]

And I hate apac

[restive nexus]

Wait 2 shock fans?

[keen abyss]

not profit

voidz and hellfire

2 shock fans

[devout path]

You count as a shock fan

[keen abyss]

hellfire is a shock fan in the literal sense

[balmy wolf]

Hellfire is mega shock fan

[keen abyss]

voidz is a shock fan in spirit

[frosty patrol]

imo 3 of the top 5 hitscans are apac

[balmy wolf]

Well

Smurf isn't a hitscan

[restive nexus]

🖕

[willow drum]

no shit

[keen abyss]

shy is not a candidate when lip exists

[balmy wolf]

[devout path]

WOW

[keen abyss]

you exhibit shock fan behaviors

[balmy wolf]

I'm an analyst

[devout path]

NO FUCKING WAY

[keen abyss]

somehow more than the literal shock fan

[balmy wolf]

I should replace reinforce

[restive nexus]

How???

[balmy wolf]

At least I'm not a Philly converter

[devout path]

SMURF IS NOT A HITSCAN

[devout path]

3?

[balmy wolf]

Nope

[keen abyss]

somebody has not seen the winston beam

[devout path]

Lip and shy I can see idk who else you put there

[restive nexus]

I don't switch fanbases every time they lose a tourney??

[keen abyss]

fake alphayi fan

[balmy wolf]

It's only the 2

[devout path]

?

[keen abyss]

oh hitscan not mvp

I thought we were talking about mvp candidates

[devout path]

Read the messages before replying

[balmy wolf]

Alphayi not MVP

[devout path]

Smiley face

[balmy wolf]

Shy > alphayi

[keen abyss]

you aren’t even old enough to read

I am going to put a permanent end to trans L

don’t try me

no more trans L

it’s over

[devout path]

TransL

Blocking me

Kinda cringe

[restive nexus]

Ooh good idea

[keen abyss]

kinoki treatment

[devout path]

?

[keen abyss]

being blocked

[devout path]

Kinoki did something worse than just being annoying

To be blocked

[keen abyss]

oh forgot about that

[raw ermine]

My pickems are still on life support

I predicted sfs winning 4 2 against lag in finals

[frosty patrol]

mt: smurf, reiner, muze, someone, hadi
ot: hanbin, coluge, void, bernar, hawk (rare offtank drought year after coluge)
hs: lip, shy, fits, kai, happy
fdps: kevster, proper, pelican, alphayi, zest (honorable mention: leave if not in hitscan jail)
ms: ch0r0ng, vindaim, xerneas, funnyastro, chiyo
fs: shu, finn, fielder, vigilante, ultraviolet

[devout path]

I literally

Just

Physically

Cannot

Put leave below any other apac fdps

It’s not physically possible

[balmy wolf]

Are those all your MVP canidates?

[frosty patrol]

leave is in hitscan jail but he deserves to be a top 3 fdps

[restive nexus]

I had it other way

[keen abyss]

no just top 5 on each role

[devout path]

Leave is one of the best in the game

[frosty patrol]

5 players on each role after I was mentioning top 5 hitscans

hmmmm

[frosty patrol]

yes but

he is not currently fdps sadly

[devout path]

Well

[frosty patrol]

he is 3rd out of hitscan jail

[devout path]

I mean

Technically

He is flexing

[keen abyss]

jinmu jail

[frosty patrol]

if you count him as a fdps I have him 3rd

[devout path]

To hitscan

[north relic]

someone gaps

hadi

[frosty patrol]

forgot someone exists

tbh

updated list for someone existing

[devout path]

Xerneas is top 3 main support

Imo

Maybe top 2

[frosty patrol]

unfortunately ch0r0ng vindaim and funnyastro are also nuts

but he is top 4

[keen abyss]

I am excited to watch belos going forward

[devout path]

Xerneas > fastro

[restive nexus]

Nah

[keen abyss]

he has showed so much promise in his last 3 matches

[frosty patrol]

honestly hold on

[keen abyss]

@devout path you literally watched glads vs spark

[frosty patrol]

xerneas > funnyastro on brig mercy

wait

addi

you're right

[devout path]

I know

[frosty patrol]

that take is correct

xerneas is the better brig mercy, fastro is the better lucio

[devout path]

I haven’t seen enough of vindaim or ch0r0ng on lucio mercy to rate them above xerneas either

[keen abyss]

lucio is so much more relevant than m*rcy that fastro is more valuable than xerneas

[restive nexus]

You said the M word!

[devout path]

No

[frosty patrol]

but brig is also relevant

[cunning patrol]

Fastro doesn’t need to play brig

[frosty patrol]

so they are 1-1 on relevant main supports and we must use mercy as a tiebreaker

[keen abyss]

I don’t remember fastro brig I didn’t watch 2020

[devout path]

Because xerneas is much much better on mercy than fastro while lucio is like way less big of a gap

[keen abyss]

but fastro lucio

is so much better

[devout path]

Disagree

[frosty patrol]

xerneas and nisha are far and away the best mercys in the world

[devout path]

Compared to the diff of mercy

[frosty patrol]

chinese mercy player = gaps

[willow drum]

ur actually so wrong

[devout path]

It’s just too much of a difference on mercy

[willow drum]

how can xerneas and nisha be the best in the world at wings

[keen abyss]

fastro is better until m*rcy becomes relevant imo

[frosty patrol]

oh yeah sorry I forgot fucking niandra

sorry

[willow drum]

when ranked warlords

like niandra and mikem

clear those OWL frauds

any day!

[frosty patrol]

imo yveltal and nisha are the best mercys in owl so easily but top 5 in the world

[keen abyss]

you haven’t seen pewpewpew

[devout path]

xerneas is so solid of a main support it’s insane

[lost thicket]

Atlanta is gonna win it all somehow

[keen abyss]

the m*rcy smurf from that one ranked game of mine

[frosty patrol]

mercy: niandra, yveltal, nisha, mikem, bame1

[devout path]

Like really good at brig the best at mercy and solid on lucio

[lost thicket]

script writers man

[cunning patrol]

Atlanta are the best lower bracket team of all time

It’s not close either

[keen abyss]

please consider that I superjump rezzed in practice range twice

also how much has xerneas played

2022

I don’t remember when he was released

[devout path]

I just simply can’t compare vindaim and ch0r0ng to xerneas cuz I haven’t seen enough of them

[willow drum]

if atlanta beta glads

in lower bracket

then shock kinda doomed in finals

[devout path]

He hasn’t played this season

He got dropped with apr1ta

[cunning patrol]

Vindaim is better on brig and lucio

[keen abyss]

Atlanta can’t beat shock in a first to 4

[willow drum]

whats the map order

[devout path]

Again I can’t compare them until I actually watch them

So I won’t argue with how good they are

As I am simply not informed

[keen abyss]

if xerneas has not played 2022

it’s not fair to say he’s top 5 yet

imo

[devout path]

??

[north relic]

u dont watch na right

[keen abyss]

he needs at least a small sample size of matches

[sullen berry]

no that's me

[devout path]

I don’t watch most games

[viscid pecan]

i think paris will be good next season

[sullen berry]

addi barely watches OWL games in general

[devout path]

Ya

[viscid pecan]

what do youi think about paris

[sullen berry]

and can still pred spark making it further than Shanghai

[devout path]

Paris sucks

[viscid pecan]

no

[sullen berry]

you just asked

[viscid pecan]

london is kinda bad

[devout path]

Easily worst team in the league

[viscid pecan]

i mean paris is better

[sullen berry]

@viscid pecan are we talking in the same season or 2 years ago