#lore-discussion

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clear kestrel
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I mean I figured people would have gotten them from the files or something

fickle flame
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so looking around the rio map i saw a couple vishkar corp advertisements, one of them vandalized with something about a revolution, and some other posters of lucio about a liberation party of some sort.
did rio recently gain independence from vishkar or something like that and are having a party to celebrate?

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i might be making that up

peak escarp
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we can't datamine the beta

clear kestrel
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apparently JQ, hanzo and genji have a 3 way interaction

peak escarp
fickle flame
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interesting

digital forum
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I heard that soldier 76 says something if ana, sojourn, and or reaper is on the team

digital forum
clear kestrel
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I love that interactions aren't just restricted to heroes that have a history or know eachother anymore

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like ana and ashe

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Genji speaks a lot more Japanese now too which is interesting

peak escarp
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apparently Reinhardt has some German lines now, but I haven't seen any

clear kestrel
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so does Mercy

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tho apparently some of them are poor translations

peak escarp
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Mercy always did

clear kestrel
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well she has more now

fringe thistle
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i really love that there's multi-hero interactions now

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instead of just 2

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it feels so much better

fringe thistle
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i got real excited when i heard it

clear kestrel
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OMG SOLDIERS KILL LINES FOR WIDOW AND TRACER ARE SO SAD

fringe thistle
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soldier's kill lines are fucking savage in general

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"You're going home in a box."

clear kestrel
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kills widow
"that was for gerard"

fringe thistle
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genji is so cocky now

fickle flame
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"you had so much potential" to tracer 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀

clear kestrel
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is reaper having some resentment towards moira like
a thing?
cause judging by some of his kill lines I don't think he's fond of her

fringe thistle
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i just really like how doom sounds now

fickle flame
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personally i like "try using your grapple, ha ha" when you boop someone on ball

clear kestrel
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also he 100% is on to Sombra lol
"you never fooled me"

fringe thistle
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he always was

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he just didnt care lol

peak escarp
fringe thistle
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im pretty sure gabe knows what sombra did in infiltration

clear kestrel
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"no more experiments!"
and unconfirmed but apparently another is
"I've had enough"
both after killing a moira

fringe thistle
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she is the one that fucked up his dna in the first place

clear kestrel
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yea but I've heard people say he doesn't really care

fringe thistle
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speaking of moira

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her arm is gnarly

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like literally by definition gnarled as hell

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is she deteriorating

clear kestrel
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could be more of a mutation

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hard to tell

fringe thistle
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i feel like gabe and moira are decaying

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her arm seems like it's genetically decaying

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but it also seems more muscular so idk, maybe she did that on purpose

clear kestrel
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honestly that could be an interesting set-up for them going rogue or something
like talon doesn't have the resources or cares enough to fix htem so they turn to overwatch

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I dunno

fringe thistle
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i feel like moira would never join them again because she doesn't like being kept on a moral leash

clear kestrel
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I think she'd be willing to play nice if they give her what she needs to fix herself and Gabe tbf

fringe thistle
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she's only with talon because they give her resources without asking her to stick to ethical experimentation

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that's pretty much moira's whole thing, she doesn't like to play nice. she likes having total freedom without being restricted by ethics

clear kestrel
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in any case I could still see them just going off on their own
allying with neither talon or overwatch

fringe thistle
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i dont think winston or angela would allow it either, angela seems to strongly dislike her

clear kestrel
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I think angelas compassion would at least compel her to offer aid

fringe thistle
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idk she really dislikes moira

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but knowing her, maybe?

clear kestrel
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sure but I think she'd be the better woman in that case
because NOT helping would go against her morals right?

fringe thistle
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maybe

clear kestrel
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and that would make her no better than Moira

fringe thistle
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it just depends

clear kestrel
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reaper might be fine but there's definitely something fucky going on with moira

fringe thistle
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they both had the same procedure

clear kestrel
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yea but moira seems different

fringe thistle
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so if something happens to moira it will probably happen to gabe

clear kestrel
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I think it has something to do with her life steal shit

fringe thistle
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moira's fade is the exact same genetic mutation as gabe's wraith

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they both have the same powers

clear kestrel
fringe thistle
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moira has more stuff though due to her constantly experimenting

clear kestrel
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either way I can't see them killing off any of the villain characters

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so it's either redemption arc or imprisonment imo

fringe thistle
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i dont think they'd kill off a playable character

clear kestrel
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exactly

fringe thistle
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it's kind of an unspoken rule in multiplayer games

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playing as a canonically dead character is strange

clear kestrel
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do we know what Bastions "locked storage drive" is about?

fringe thistle
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i dont think so

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it's only been mentioned once iirc

clear kestrel
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I think it might have something to with bastions whole
"revert to crisis mode when reminded of battle" thing

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like maybe torb found a way to isolate it

fringe thistle
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i think thats just his regular programming

clear kestrel
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so it doesn't happen anymore

fringe thistle
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that torb just removed

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but maybe

clear kestrel
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I mean he might not have been able to remove it without erasing bastion completely

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so he just isolated it and locked it away

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tho bastion himself is proud of it so maybe he's just wary of hackers or something

fringe thistle
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bastions are logical units, they don't seem capable of complex morality except for our bastion

clear kestrel
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sombra says it has good encryption

fringe thistle
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i personally think our bastion developing sentience was a glitch like in short circuit and he's special

peak escarp
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that's what Torbjorn thinks too

fringe thistle
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because the other bastions we've seen are pure binary robots

peak escarp
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he recognized that there is something different about Bastion

clear kestrel
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I hope we get more omnic heroes at some point

fringe thistle
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agree tbh we only have 3

clear kestrel
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maybe someone from null sector

fringe thistle
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for something SO important to overwatch's lore we don't actually know a lot about them

clear kestrel
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im worried the PVE is gonna neglect talon as a threat ngl

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it feels like it's only gonna focus on null sector

fringe thistle
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i'd like to see torbjorn recount his story with creating omnics because that is a HUGE detail the story just glosses over

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like, torbjorn basically created sentient life

clear kestrel
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didn't he only create the titans

fringe thistle
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he's the one primarily responsible for omnics in general

peak escarp
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Torbjorn didnt create the omnics

clear kestrel
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Mina Liao made the omnics

peak escarp
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he designed weapons, including the Bastion units

fringe thistle
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oh so he didn't create the original AI?

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that was liao

clear kestrel
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yes

fringe thistle
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so is echo basically the prototype of all omnics?

clear kestrel
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she was made after the crisis

peak escarp
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Torbjorn is an engineer, not a programmer

fringe thistle
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hmm

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i'd really like to learn more about the origin of omnics

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it's really interesting

peak escarp
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Athena was a prototype for Echo

peak escarp
fringe thistle
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echo is mostly a duplicate of liao's mannerisms isn't she?

clear kestrel
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yes

fringe thistle
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they kinda do that thing in her origin story where they imply echo is a backup of liao's conciousness

peak escarp
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not really

fringe thistle
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that's how i saw it anyway

peak escarp
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Echo is just mimicking her

clear kestrel
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I don't think it's that
more so she just heavily imprinted on liao by being around her so much

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since her whole thing was that she's a highly adaptable learning AI

fringe thistle
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that also makes sense

peak escarp
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Echo was designed to be able to learn from what she sees

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and what she saw was mostly Dr. Liao

clear kestrel
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and Cassidy apparently

fringe thistle
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yeah i gotta know that backstory

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last time she saw him was before he lost his arm

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which they relentlessly tease a story there for

clear kestrel
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oh goody

fringe thistle
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i gotta know how cole lost his arm man

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they cant keep teasing it like that

clear kestrel
fringe thistle
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there are so many interactions about it and in each one he gives a different, vague answer that shows he doesn't want people to know

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it's like this big secret

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i gotta know

clear kestrel
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do you think he and zen swap notes

fringe thistle
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lol what

clear kestrel
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they're both so good at the whole "mysterious and ambiguous past" thing

fringe thistle
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oh lmao

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they both dont like giving away personal details

clear kestrel
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more than anything I hope sig gets a happy ending

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poor guy

sharp trench
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i hope they show off more of sigma's insanity aspect in OW2

rare charm
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@peak escarp is right, echo ended up spending so much time with her because the government didn’t want to deploy her really so she ended up mimicking liao

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i was reading it last night

rare charm
smoky carbon
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Thats very interesting 🤔

peak escarp
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yeah

last cairn
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I wonder if we'll ever see Emily in an animated short,

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*at the very least, I wonder what her voice would be like

peak escarp
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I hope we see her in a short

fringe thistle
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i wonder if she even has a 3d model

vivid ginkgo
atomic swift
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I think overwatch is fun especially in comp but what I learned in comp is all about having fun

past copper
worthy rose
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Have their been any new interactions about junkrats treasure?

peak escarp
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not that I've heard

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but there's a lot of interactions added

worthy rose
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I hope they do soon I'm still think it could be major in the story

young roost
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I’m loving these interactions in ow2 zzz

sharp trench
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what are the new reaper interactions

uncut rose
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“Back in your cage, doctor” to sigma makes me really happy.

“No. More. Experiments” to moira is also awesome

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Might show that reaper actually really dislikes the changes implemented onto him by moira

clear kestrel
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apparently he also says "I've had enough" when killing moira tho I don't have confirmation on this

sharp trench
tall sleet
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i dont think reaper ever appreciated the changes moira made to him

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i think he had previous voice lines about him living in agonizing pain due to her but she sees it as her saving his life and he should be grateful

peak escarp
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he's in constant suffering

uncut rose
peak escarp
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I like that they're showing how Sigma is disconnected from reality

uncut rose
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I haven’t played much of sigma. I should. But I’m bad at him

static karma
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I’m not very up to date with the hanzo lore but what did hanzo lose that wasn’t genji?

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In the overwatch 2 beta genji points out that Hanzo is still grieving

peak escarp
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his home, his honour

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he left the Shimada clan shortly after he "killed" Genji

static karma
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Ty

peak escarp
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Hanzo hasn't forgiven himself

worthy rose
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Sigma is a sigma male

zealous pumice
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They need to do more with him

peak escarp
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a what

balmy imp
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another OW2 interaction
Moira: "You've been distant lately, Lacroix."
Widow: "By your design."
Moira: "Pondering anything unusual? Dangerous?"
Widow: "No. Never."

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seems like Moira is responsible for at least some of Widow's modifications

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or maybe I'm dumb and it's already been implied the same way before

peak escarp
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it's been implied, but it's always good to have more confirmation

young roost
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I want to know y’all’s guesses for who will be the next new members of Overwatch in the coming PvE.

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Pretty sure the shoe ins are Bastion, Hammond, D.Va, and potentially the Kanezaka fox girl

fringe thistle
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i can see hanzo taking up genji’s offer to join him

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torb is very likely to come out of retirement since brig is on board already

clear kestrel
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for the PVE?
well we know for certain torb, bastion, soljourn, zarya, genji and zen are gonna have their own missions

clear kestrel
fringe thistle
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that doesn’t mean he’s joined overwatch

worthy rose
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We need more sigma and echo lore in the new game

young roost
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Orisa is most likely to join if hey have a Numbani mission

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She is already framed so perfectly as a character that fits in with Overwatch

clear kestrel
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wait are we talking about characters that will be playable in the PVE or characters that will join OW?

fringe thistle
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i feel like orisa would turn them down actually

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she wouldn’t leave numbani

clear kestrel
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yea I think she'd help them
but she wouldn't leave Numbani

young roost
worthy rose
fringe thistle
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exactly

clear kestrel
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or maybe she could join under the pretense of hunting doomfist down and finishing him off

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so he can't threaten Numbani ever again

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we'll see

young roost
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What are the possibilities that he’ll return? According to Orisa she’s already made him flee from Numbani once.

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And called him a coward too

fringe thistle
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that would leave numbani and efi exposed for attack

young roost
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Such growth

fringe thistle
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orisa is the guardian of numbani

worthy rose
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Very likely, doom is all about conflict. And the second anyone's winning or losing hell even out the playing field again

fringe thistle
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she can’t leave her post

young roost
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True Orisa would definitely stay for Efi, but would most likely have connections to OW

worthy rose
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As he says people won't evolve without conflict so he won't allow it to tip into anyones favor for too long

fringe thistle
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doom just wants all out war

young roost
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Then there’s the more ambiguous members who I still don’t know if they’ll join

clear kestrel
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I dunno, I'm just throwing ideas out lol

clear kestrel
fringe thistle
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he thinks people have gotten too complacent and weak thanks to overwatch and the omnic crisis ending

young roost
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Symmetra is one of them. But she’s currently going through an arc that will possibly lead her to discovering the truth

worthy rose
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Think about it, his ideology fails if talon starts to win, same for overwatch winning. And if he goes back to numbani it's just a battle not the war it was. And orisas programmed to protect numbani from doomfist cause he came in there and destroyed ever OR13 model

fringe thistle
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we’ll have to see what’s up with lucio and sym in the rio chapter

clear kestrel
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I think Blizz implied that the story missions have a wider selection of heroes
so you're not just stuck with the same 4 every time

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makes me wonder what kind of unique story interactions there will be depending on what hero you take

young roost
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I actually think that Ashe would join Talon just to not be in the same space as Cole doing hero stuff. OW is not her M.O

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Same with Junker Queen.

clear kestrel
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like maybe you could bring zen and bastion on a numbani mission and they have unique dialogue with Orisa and Efi

fringe thistle
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they did say they recorded over 25,000 voicelines for ow2 so far

young roost
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But I feel like she wouldn’t be able to be controlled by Talon so they wouldn’t ever want her to join

clear kestrel
young roost
clear kestrel
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I doubt she'd join Talon

worthy rose
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I think that doomfist is only ever going to be on his side. He may be second in command in talon but the second that talon starts to genuinely take over he will switch sides

fringe thistle
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ashe is busy with the deadlock gang

young roost
fringe thistle
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she’s got her hands full

clear kestrel
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nah she'd rather do it her own way lol

young roost
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I guess so

fringe thistle
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also ashe doesn’t want to work for anyone

worthy rose
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Ashe will never be on anyone's side then the gangs. That's her FAMILY

fringe thistle
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she’s a girlboss

young roost
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I just don’t get why Soldier is so stubborn…

clear kestrel
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he's angry and bitter

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and old

fringe thistle
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because jack is sick of playing nice

worthy rose
young roost
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Out of everyone he is the only one who I see not joining overwatch at all

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I honestly think Ana has a better shot of Pharah is any indication

clear kestrel
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he and reaper are basically exactly the same when you think about it
Jacks goals are just more noble

fringe thistle
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he’s still pissed off about how ow got shut down

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so he wants to do it his way

clear kestrel
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Gabe wants to wipe out everyone involved with OW
Jack wants to wipe out those responsible for its fall

young roost
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Maybe he’ll come around once he sees how much it’s grown and how the members have helped the world.

fringe thistle
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dude is a one man army right now

worthy rose
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That's where the voice line "if you want something done, you gotta do it yourself" comes from

fringe thistle
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and “i’m an army of one”

clear kestrel
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I wonder if the talon squad will get their own missions

opal nexus
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i think at most soldier will come to see how far the new generation has come and just go out on his own

worthy rose
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He wants it done. And no one else will do it his way other then him

fringe thistle
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jack did meet up with ana and they talked about winston’s recall

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he thinks winston is a joke

clear kestrel
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I mean that's a little harsh
didn't he also say that he believes his heart is in the right place?

worthy rose
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Cause let's be honest... he is we all love him but in a war of this caliber he needs to be more serious then he is now

young roost
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I could see Junk and Hog joining for the hell of it

worthy rose
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Soldier is the true ow leader

young roost
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Junk is already buddy buddy with everyone he meets

clear kestrel
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why does OWs top brass hate winston so much lol?
fucking
Gabe hates him
Jack dislikes him
I think Cassidy isn't fond of him either

worthy rose
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I can see junk and hog getting yoinked by talon because Moira wants them and doom saying free real-estate

opal nexus
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jack definitely thinks winston is very naive

worthy rose
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At which point the things they'll do to junkrat...

opal nexus
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not thinking about the shortcomings of the original overwatch

fringe thistle
young roost
opal nexus
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i mean winstons the same guy who thought the horizon colony was all sunshine and rainbows

young roost
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Overwatch rescue mission in PvE

opal nexus
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despite all the experimentation

fringe thistle
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and winston is in over his head

young roost
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Where we have to infiltrate a talon base where Junk and Hog are being held hostage

clear kestrel
young roost
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That be amazing

worthy rose
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Junkrat is genuinely a sweetheart with an obsession with bombs prove me wrong

fringe thistle
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he needs a reality check

clear kestrel
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nah

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stop

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Winston's doing the right thing

fringe thistle
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im kinda on jack’s side tbh

clear kestrel
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Jack's a selfish prick lol

worthy rose
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As am I Jack's in the right

clear kestrel
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he just wants revenge

young roost
fringe thistle
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doing it the right way didn’t work the first time, now we do it the dirty way

worthy rose
young roost
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Talon was quick to keep him and have it stay that way

clear kestrel
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I can't wait for yall to be disappointed when Jack inevitably gets some sense talked into him

young roost
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As much as I love sigma it would be incredibly hard to have him essential betray them unless OW shows him the truth on what they’ve been doing to him for the past several years

fringe thistle
young roost
fringe thistle
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if ana couldn’t get through to jack who can

young roost
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He will literally have to be on deaths door

clear kestrel
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Lena maybe?

worthy rose
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Jack is right I'll tell you why. Winston is the one who cares so much about his team that the world will fall saving the team. Jack understand the mission and if thay means sacrifices sacrifices then he understands overwatch should be those heroes and sacrifice themselves to complete the mission. Winston would rather take it all on himself as leader instead of Jack realizing they are all soldiers fighting for there people not just him

fringe thistle
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jack only knows tracer as some rookie

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he wouldn’t give her the time of day

clear kestrel
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have you heard his kill quote for her?

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"you had so much potential"

fringe thistle
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yeah he said she had potential

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but she was just a rookie

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thats all he knew her as

clear kestrel
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he cares about her more than you're letting on lol

worthy rose
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Him saying that doesn't mean much. She was nothing but a rookie the entire time he knew her. He wouldn't of payed much mind to mei or brig either. ESPECIALLY Mei

clear kestrel
fringe thistle
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i don’t think he cares about her as a person tbh

clear kestrel
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what's with the fucking winston hate boner all of the sudden

worthy rose
clear kestrel
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what

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that makes no fucking sense lol
he literally initiated recall by seeing the state of the world and how fucked everyone was

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talon literally invaded his base

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Jack's an idiot, he has no idea what he's talking about

worthy rose
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Yeah after letting it fall into ruin for years

clear kestrel
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winston isn't doing this for himself

worthy rose
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Your point ?

clear kestrel
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omfg

worthy rose
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Jack actively has been breaking that dumb law to help people since Winston wanted to sit around

clear kestrel
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nothing is fucking enough for you people is it lol

worthy rose
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And at the end of the day Winston proved that he'd rather just get the team out and sacrifice himself then completing the mission with the last cinematic .

young roost
worthy rose
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Soldier understands the mission and wouldn't of backed off cause meis hurt

clear kestrel
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yea

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because he's a selfish prick

worthy rose
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Say what you want about him. He's what they need

opal nexus
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isnt soldier the same guy who dove in to save a random girl from a grenade rather than chase the criminal gang he was chasing

clear kestrel
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exactly lol

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he's just as "bad" as winston in that regard

worthy rose
young roost
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I feel like he would have some choice words for Jack.

worthy rose
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He wasn't going to catch them. It was a fools errand that's why he needs to be the leader of overwatch. He can't do it all alone

young roost
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Who knows maybe it be enough to make him second guess facing talon and all the world’s conflicts on his own

clear kestrel
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and winston would happily give him that position
give him a fucking break lol

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also Jack wasn't breaking the petras act because what he was doing wasn't part of overwatch

young roost
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Me wanting a Cinematic where Hammond arrives at Gibraltar

clear kestrel
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Winston took a huge fucking risk with recall

worthy rose
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Winston literally ate bananas and peanut butter in a lab while the world fell into disarray over a law

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I can't justify that

young roost
clear kestrel
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exactly

worthy rose
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It took to long for him to come to that decision

clear kestrel
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he jsut wants revenge

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he's literally no better than Gabe

young roost
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The way I see it, someone who had great influence, most likely in Talon, used their influence to sway people’s opinions of Overwatch. Who that exactly is is unkown

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But I have a feeling they’re the same entity sombra may be after

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The one who truly runs the world

clear kestrel
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also are we just going to ignore the fact that Winston has wanted to active recall for ages
"everytime we see news of this, we go through this"
Athena constantly has to talk him out of it

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so blame her lol

worthy rose
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It's not like he can go solo talon. He's still actively out there breaking a law that opposes him and overwatch to get back at those who would seek to keep them from doing there mission

young roost
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Moira, widow, and reaper knows what she’s been doing. And they don’t like it

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But they can’t exactly stop her since she is useful

clear kestrel
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look anyone who gives Winston shit is an idiot far as I'm concerned so lets just drop this topic
cause it's not going anywhere

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move on

worthy rose
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He wanted to and listened to a robot

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Really?

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Not even an omnic a robot he listened to instead of his gut?

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For literal years inbetween

clear kestrel
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dude
I don't give a fuck

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I genuinely don't care

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about your points

young roost
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If he didn’t want Overwatch back he would have left Gibraltar all together

worthy rose
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Your so pressed over a debate. We can see who is the problem here if you're getting to that point over lore points

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Seriously get a grip on yourself

clear kestrel
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that's always the response isn't it

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holy shit just fuck off

worthy rose
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Not at all it's LORE DISCUSSION my God go play the game then if you want to act like the average player

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Sad

clear kestrel
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dude I genuinely don't give a fuck about your points lol you genuinely have no idea what you're talking about
fucking drop it

worthy rose
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Ignorance

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I find it hilarious when people result to insults when they feel opposed

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Truly an overwatch player

clear kestrel
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don't care lol
deal with it

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I'm not obligated to give your opinion the time of day

young roost
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You have no moral or intellectual superiority regarding the ins and outs of the lore so do not act like you do. Unlike some people here, you embody a selfish chaos under the mask of speaking the truth in an effort to make your words heard. But they’re just as poisonous as the lies people have made regarding the lore for the past 6 years. Either grow up or get out.

clear kestrel
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if I think it's shit
I'm gonna call your opinion shit

worthy rose
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People like you wouldn't say those things outside anywhere else then the internet. Let's see when the real world eats you up

young roost
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I never had the real world to ever respect me so why would I change my tune for it.

clear kestrel
#

god you try so hard to sound smart

limpid agate
#

What is the discussion here

young roost
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It’s a waste of time to keep this going. Just move on. The stagnation of this has made me feel unnecessarily bored and tired.

worthy rose
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No one's trying to be smart. Your just actively dumbing yourself down by insulting over a lore discussion

past copper
limpid agate
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Then DM Modmail

young roost
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If they do not want to converse, move on.

clear kestrel
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nah let him talk
let him flex is superiority more

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gotta find some way to do it right

worthy rose
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It's just childish

limpid agate
#

This is lore discussion. If no one is discussing the lore, you should take this off topic argument elsewhere.

young roost
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Feigning knowledge of a subject should be punishable but who am I to say what is right and wrong.

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Anyways what’s the next Cinematic gonna be like?

worthy rose
limpid agate
worthy rose
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And yet I'm in the wrong

limpid agate
#

She was confirmed to be getting one

young roost
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Yeah that is a bit shakey

clear kestrel
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you're really fucking overreacting to me calling you stupid over a differing opinion lol

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maybe it was too far

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I genuinely don't care

worthy rose
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Yes I am. Because you can't be civil in a lore discussion chat. Grow up

limpid agate
#

Liklihood is still liklihood. Sojourn was confirmed to be getting one, but Yamagami and none of the other 33 heroes can attest the same.

young roost
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How about you both stop it before I have a very long and detailed discussion with the mods regarding BOTH of you.

limpid agate
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@clear kestrel @worthy rose Stop dragging it on

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Knock it off

worthy rose
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I'd simply like an apology. I'm not the one instigating

limpid agate
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I dont care. Take it to DMs. This is lore discussion.

clear kestrel
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fine
I'm sorry

young roost
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Now I understand why Symmetra wants to bring order to the world. The very nature of this chaos was so unnecessary…

clear kestrel
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it was too far

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I got angry

limpid agate
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We only have the clip of Sojourn with two cups of Timmies, and her dog Murphy

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Who I think has robotic hindlegs

young roost
#

Adorable

past copper
#

Sigh. Why all the anger? We’re all here because of the game and everything that comes with it. Why attack each other

young roost
#

Want to attack each other? Do it in a 1v1.

past copper
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I mean, do you even remember why you were fighting to begin with anymore?

limpid agate
#

Sorry, Tommies

worthy rose
limpid agate
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I dont care if it escalates

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Take it outside this channel

clear kestrel
#

there's nothing to take out
I apologised

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end of story

limpid agate
young roost
limpid agate
#

She had two cups of Tommies and her dog

clear kestrel
#

think her cinematic will tie into her eventual PVE story mission?
cause she's getting one

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we know that much

limpid agate
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We are getting a PvE mission in Toronto

young roost
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That is something I am excited for

limpid agate
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It wont be the first though

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So I dont think it will tie in necessarily

young roost
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I hope we get even more cinematics now with all the hype building up

clear kestrel
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no but I think it'll be her first PVE mission specifically

young roost
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Though I am partial to the idea of a full on movie

clear kestrel
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tho apparently she also has one with torb and bastion

limpid agate
#

Her first PvE mission is the one in Toronto

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The Torb and Bastion mission wasn't shown to include her

clear kestrel
#

I think I saw her in the subtitles

limpid agate
#

The Gothenburg mission was shown to include Rein and Brig

past copper
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I’ve actually played on New York, Toronto, Rome, and gotta say. Very big and can’t wait to see what the story turns them into

limpid agate
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Yeah, she was also on the comms for Storm Rising

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But wasnt part of Storm Rising

clear kestrel
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might have been an older version of the mission

limpid agate
#

Toronto is where she appears to join Winston's Overwatch team

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For the PvE missions that we know of...

past copper
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Hmm. I can see Rio, Toronto, Gothenburg, and New York having a story mission, but possibly Numbani too given Doomfist behind Null Sector’s attack

clear kestrel
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ok I need to pay more attention to the PVE behind the scenes video

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there's a lot of details I've missed here

limpid agate
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1 - Rio - Lucio joins the team. Tracer/Mei/Rein are playable. Mercy/Genji are also there. Echo probably wont be playable, she's flying the ship.
Gothenburg - Bastion joins the team. Torb/Rein/Brig are playable.
Toronto - Sojourn joins the team. It looks like Cassidy's team is also there as of this mission too. Its probably later in the story then.
India - Zen may or may not join the team, but he is playable here. Also playable are Genji, Zarya, and... I forgot the 4th, gotta double check. Widowmaker is also an enemy here, and Sombra is in the story segments

clear kestrel
#

like the WIP intro cinematic for the genji PVE mission
it has talon, Widow and Sombra in it

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I was worried the PVE would just focus on null sector

past copper
limpid agate
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Yeah it was Winston I think

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I also opened another clip of a snow map

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That's not Toronto

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Echo, Zarya, Mei, and Baptiste were playable

clear kestrel
#

YAY

limpid agate
#

Nevermind, its definitely Toronto

unknown.png
clear kestrel
#

BAP GETS A MISSION

limpid agate
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There may be multiple story missions set in Toronto

clear kestrel
#

WOOO

past copper
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Yea. The trees point to Toronto

limpid agate
#

That Tracer is also an NPC

clear kestrel
#

you sure it's not just a hero mission?

limpid agate
#

Positive

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This was the story part

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And the Tracer NPC suggests its story as well

clear kestrel
#

tbf they did say the hero missions would have story shit in them as well
but I think you're right

past copper
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Toronto in a blizzard

limpid agate
#

Hero missions are just general PvE

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Not the story

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Found another Toronto clip. Sojourn, Echo, and Mercy. 3 players only here, not sure if that's for testing purposes.

clear kestrel
#

yea but they said there'd be story stuff in them
so NPCs arent out of the question is all I'm saying
I'm just putting it out there

limpid agate
#

Overall

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Can't tell who is playable when

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It might be the whole Overwatch team with the exception of key NPCs

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So for example

clear kestrel
#

there was also the soljourn mission where only zarya and soljourn were being played

young roost
#

Will be sleeping momentarily

clear kestrel
#

I want to imagine all heroes being playable in hero missions means that all of them will be available in a story mission at least once each

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I say "all heroes" because we see footage of reaper being played and I think it'd be strange if he had his own tech tree but was just restricted to hero missions

past copper
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You know what be a fun story. If Numbani is attacked by Null Sector and Efi gets to meet the rest of Overwatch while Orisa fights alongside them. Sure Sojourn and Lúcio would love to see them again

limpid agate
#

Rio is the first mission. Lucio joins here, and the team is Winston/Tracer/Mei/Genji/Reinhardt/Brigitte/Mercy/Echo.
Cassidy's team joins at some point. He brings with him Pharah/Baptiste/Zarya/D.Va
Gothenburg is a mission. Bastion joins here. Torb is playable, but does not join, so he is only in this mission.
Toronto is probably after those two missions. Sojourn joins here.
India is a mission. Zenyatta may or may not join here. If he does join, this is the last mission chronologically of those we have seen.

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This is about all we know of the story

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And realistically

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I think the Story might launch with just the first 4 or 5 missions

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Depending on if they can release Varanasi on time

past copper
#

Hmm. You think those anti air guns in Gothenburg are a story or a hero mission?

limpid agate
#

Story

clear kestrel
#

the genji/zen mission is the one I'm most excited for

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also did you see the footage of the fucking titan dropping down?

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I hope that's a boss fight and not just a set piece

limpid agate
#

Thats a story missions

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It looks like a set piece you destroy by setting up anti air guns

clear kestrel
#

that'd make me sad

past copper
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Yes. I wanna fight the Null Sector Titan! I love giant robot fights! Who with me!

clear kestrel
#

I think the anti air guns are just to bring down the giant null sector carrier

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I hope that gets explained at some point where the fuck are they getting all these

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did another omnium reactivate?

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are they from the Russian omnium?

past copper
#

Well, no doubt. I mean, it’s not like all the missions will end in Overwatch invading and destroying the ships

limpid agate
#

They are from Null Sector

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We dont know where Null Sector is getting their army from

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But its not Russia

past copper
#

The Russian Omnium has been active for years now

limpid agate
#

That's a different force of Omnics

past copper
#

As has the one in the East China Sea

limpid agate
#

The Russian omnium is making crisis omnics. The East China Sea is pumping out Gwisin

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Null Sector is a third faction unaffiliated with those two

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There also seems to be a fourth faction of feral omnics in the Wasteland

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Junkerqueen destroyed what I supposed we can consider their leadership, so that one isnt relevant anymore

past copper
#

Pretty sure Talon and Null Sector has plenty of time to build the command ships in secret. But just not as many that were used in the crisis

clear kestrel
#

I don't think the ships used in the crisis were nearly as big tbf
these things are basically mobile factories
in the crisis they were more like drop ships

limpid agate
#

No, they were huge

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Drop pod for scale

unknown.png
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And drop pods are big

past copper
#

They are big as they need to be. Each one in the crisis probably carried at least a hundred bastions. In each ship

clear kestrel
#

I know it'd be kinda redundant
but it'd be cool if null sector employed updated versions of the crisis bots
like suped up bastions and or-14s with the modern null sector aesthetic

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would look cool af

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and make for great skins

past copper
#

The one’s Null Sector has though are flying factories that can build and release battalions at a time

clear kestrel
#

maybe a good explanation isn't that they made the ships from scratch
but they're repurposed human airships retrofitted as mobile factorys and weapons platforms

limpid agate
#

For context of how big a drop pod is

unknown.png
clear kestrel
#

ok that's pretty big
but I still think the null sector carriers are bigger

worthy rose
#

They'd have to do some serious upgrades to the bastions to make them worth dropping in the same number as they did previously. They got all sorts of wrecked. Wonder what they'll come up with more then a stationary mini gun with very capable AI

clear kestrel
#

I mean bastion kinda has that covered now lol

limpid agate
#

A stationary minigun was considered one of if not the most terrifying things in the crisis

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It is the literal symbol of the crisis

clear kestrel
#

put that same minigun on treads

worthy rose
#

But would that make much of a difference?

limpid agate
#

!!newblood

twilit nacelleBOT
clear kestrel
#

fighting against null sector or-14s (would it be 16s in this case? or is Orisa technically an OR-16?) with Orisas new abilities

limpid agate
#

In New Blood 4

past copper
#

I’d imagine the logic works the same way as an aquatic ship. Bigger isn’t always better. Bigger ships tend to be slower ships. So, smaller ships that act as factories are faster

worthy rose
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They'd need to do changes to the weapon themselves and make the fire power more imo then making them mobile

limpid agate
#

We can see what modern crisis era Bastions look like

past copper
#

Makes sense if you intend to invade as many cities as possible

limpid agate
#

New Blood 4 wasn't the best issue for that though...

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The Bastions there jobbed really hard and did nothing

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The series was good, but that particular chapter was rushed

worthy rose
#

Wouldn't it be in there interest to destroy rather then just invade ?

limpid agate
#

Thats what they were doing

worthy rose
#

Yeah so firepower over mobility would be the necessity in New models

past copper
#

Well, I’d imagine the ships work like the omnics in Russia. They take scrap and recycle it into more units. Null Sector’s ships probably do the same thing

worthy rose
#

The new bastion current rework basically just puts him on wheels. Doing thay to all the current ones doesn't really change what happened the last time they used them in war

clear kestrel
#

they probably plunder the cities they invade for resources as well

worthy rose
#

Maybe so. But at the end of the day I thought there interest would be more in destroy now and rebuild later , rather the viking style of plunder kill take over

past copper
#

Plus, don’t forget Null Sector is taking orders from Doomfist now. He doesn’t want Null Sector to kill everyone. Only the weak so that the strong may rise up

clear kestrel
#

wait is it established that null sector is working with Talon?

limpid agate
#

They're not taking orders from Doomfist

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They are working with him

worthy rose
#

Doom gets his orders from the leader of talon though yeah?

clear kestrel
#

I was wondering what the fuck Talon were doing during all this

limpid agate
#

Doomfist is the leader of Talon

clear kestrel
#

isn't he the leader of talon now?

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yea

worthy rose
#

Isn't there that secret higher up guy we've seen little on

limpid agate
#

No

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Doomfist killed him

worthy rose
#

Seems about right

past copper
limpid agate
#

The known members of the council of leaders are Doomfist, Reaper, Moira, Maximillien, and Sanjay. Doomfist is taking the role of the head after he killed Vialli.

clear kestrel
#

I mean there's also that secret society shit Sombra's obsessed over but that might be something separate entirely

limpid agate
#

There are more members of the council of leaders besides them too

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We just dont know who they are

worthy rose
#

Sombra is the secret society there. She wants to hold all the cards. She seems rather selfish if you ask me

limpid agate
#

Other known prominent members of Talon include Widowmaker, Sombra, Mauga, and Nguyen. Sigma is also there, but doesn't know he works for terrorists

clear kestrel
#

since Widow and Sombra are present as antags for the India mission
wonder if they'll be boss fights

limpid agate
#

Widow was shown to be comparable to a boss fight

clear kestrel
#

would be cool but also kinda weird if they're just
"hey it's sombra but she has a fuck ton of health and just soaks up bullets until she falls over" so I hope they do something unique with them

past copper
#

Honestly, there’s really no telling how that will play out. Dealing with Talon members

worthy rose
#

Sigma is a victim of not knowing who he is working for or being able to choose sides. Hes a pawn but a very smart pawn in all this

clear kestrel
#

I mean he might know but he's so far gone that he might not even care

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there's basically two sides of him

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Dr Kreuper could very well be dead by the time of OW2
all that's left is Sigma

worthy rose
#

Doubtful. He's genuinely a good guy if you look at his personality . It's hard to believe he'd know he's the villian

clear kestrel
#

we'll just have to see

worthy rose
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But yeah by the time it festers it probably will remove what personality of the nice guy he was

clear kestrel
#

"I will show you the true meaning of the univ- VIOLENCE"

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"RELEASE ME"

worthy rose
#

But even then what would sigma moral compass be . We can't can't say for certain that sigma would be a villain losing himself

clear kestrel
#

I'm fairly certain that's the angle they're going for with him
"hold it together"

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whether he ends up losing himself remains to be seen

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but it's not out of the question

worthy rose
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Well wouldn't that be more because of an experimental induced schizophrenia then the fault of sigma anyways?

clear kestrel
#

oh I'm not saying he's at fault

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I'm just saying there's two sides of him

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Dr Kreuper
the nice guy
and Sigma
the villain

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two different personalities sharing the same body

past copper
#

This is a cool set up coming though.
Winston, Tracer, Mei, Genji, Reinhardt, Brigitte, Mercy, Echo, Lúcio
Cassidy, Pharah, Baptiste, Zarya, D.Va
Sojourn, Bastion, Zenyatta

I don’t think Torbjörn’s leaving his hometown though. Someone’s gotta stay and protect Gothenburg in case Null Sector sends reinforcements.

worthy rose
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Yeah he's kinda split .but the issue is we don't really no his intentions behind the schizophrenic voices like release me and hold it together... that's why I said we need much more lore on him as he could end up just being have third party interest that aren't even with evil intents

limpid agate
#

Zenyatta may not join

clear kestrel
#

I'm 50/50 on that

limpid agate
#

Also, Sigma is not schizophrenic

clear kestrel
#

I could see Zen just
going where Genji goes but I can also see him staying in India to oversee repairs to the temple
since with Mondatta gone he's basically head monk now

worthy rose
#

Multiple personality maybe then but he certainly isn't the one in control. If it's the universe acting as that "voice" or just another part of him it's basically acting the same way as schizophrenia. Sad to see and not really a diagnosis anyone would be able to give as it's something that never has really happened before

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Couldn't they replicate what he's done though ? And learn more about it

clear kestrel
#

I like the theory that the "melody" he heard was the audio frequency of a blackhole

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Sigma needs more fluff material he's so underrated

worthy rose
#

Most likely was. It's something that no one other then him can understand for certain and even then he doesn't understand it. Would be cool to see Moira pick up that expired entry and find out more about it as a whole

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Or was that research just destroyed?

clear kestrel
#

it was probably destroyed after the accident

worthy rose
#

In that case there's not even a hope to a diagnosis nor a cure . He's a patient zero

limpid agate
#

Sigma's origin short seems to have 0 representation in his in game personality

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Its questionable how much of that is still relevant to his character

clear kestrel
#

yea I noticed that actually

limpid agate
#

It was quite literally thrown together at the last minute.

clear kestrel
#

like he seems pretty stable in-game aside from his ult quotes

worthy rose
#

Poor planning has led to an enigma character

clear kestrel
#

and that's about it really

#

tbf
he also seems pretty stable towards the end of his origin video

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so maybe his suit acts as a sort of
inhibitor maybe

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allows him to harness his abilities whilst keeping his whole
fractured personality thing in check

worthy rose
#

Yeah something about harnessing the harness. I think that's just a representation for sigma becoming who he truly is. How can he actually be more in control of a blackhole then the other way around.

clear kestrel
#

tho reaper does say "back in your cage, doctor" after killing him in OW2 apparently
the context for that is kinda unsettling

worthy rose
#

Definitely implies he's been stabilized in some ways through experimentation but just how much did that affect him ?

clear kestrel
#

and Talon obviously fear him

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as they should admittedly

worthy rose
#

Of course they do. If he is truly in control of a black hole. Something so strong that not even light can escape, they are messing with the wrong person

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And they decided to experiment on him and you already know Moiras means to an end mentality

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They didn't treat him right that isn't up for debate

clear kestrel
#

oh of course not

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wouldn't be surprised if the suit potentially drugs him to keep him stable or something

worthy rose
#

Or worse.

clear kestrel
#

he does have amazing eye brows tho

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immaculate

#

have you seen those things?

worthy rose
#

Maybe he was better off losing it then being stabilized in that capacity. For all we know Moira did borderline the same to him as he did widow. But without the emotion changes just implemented the control.

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And bro his eyebrow game on point

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They did at least make him dripped out in his talon uniform

clear kestrel
#

his talon outfit is his best skin imo

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all his legendaries are kinda meh

worthy rose
#

Idk that event legendary was good

clear kestrel
#

the maestro one?

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fair

worthy rose
#

Yeah. His hair is on point

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Another question though is widow going to lose it when she gains emotions again. It's already a fact there leaking through again. It was like that even in ow1

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She could end up just being a borderline serial killer over regaining emotion and realizing all she's done

opaque tundra
#

I guess this is somewhat related but has anyone heard ANY new symmetra voicelines? I know her VA's been busy with Ms. Marvel but that was filmed a while ago. With my own testing I got a Zen voicelines when he kills sym but nothing vice versa. Poor sym is being neglected

clear kestrel
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I'm
not sure

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I'll test if she has any lines for Rio with Lucio

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huh
doesn't look like it

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ok I think she has new lines

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but no new interactions that I'm aware of

opal nexus
#

she'll probably get the sigma treatment in beta 3
that's where theyll give all the supports love am i right fellas eheehee

clear kestrel
#

ok yea I don't think she has any unique kill quotes for Lucio either

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but Lucio has kill quotes for her

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ok I can confirm Reapers other kill quote for moira
"I've had enough!"

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yeah he's 100% sick of her shit

somber cloak
#

Are junkrat roadhog and junker queen related?

clear kestrel
#

like
biologically?

somber cloak
#

Like maybe biologically or enemy’s or friends yk

clear kestrel
#

they have a history
she doesn't like either of them

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I think it's mostly one-sided tho

opal nexus
#

well she hates junkrat really
roadhog’s just an accomplice

clear kestrel
#

I assume not ALL the interactions are in the beta
or at least
they're being saved for the story mode

cunning ledge
#

the second beta has a lot more than the first one did too

timid minnow
#

Wrong channel

fervent fiber
#

So I wanna find out more about the lore, any good YouTube channel for that?

limpid agate
#

!!loreshorts

twilit nacelleBOT
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Animated Shorts:
Cinematic Trailer: http://bit.ly/1yhzaCC
Recall: http://bit.ly/1T1Aky8
Alive: http://bit.ly/1PSJV5x
Dragons: http://bit.ly/1WAZs3c
Hero: http://bit.ly/1ToCD1E
The Last Bastion: http://bit.ly/2b3TsNN
Infiltration: http://bit.ly/2emetBC
Rise and Shine: http://bit.ly/2xcMYoH
Honor and Glory: http://bit.ly/2A4FxRa
Shooting Star: https://bit.ly/2MCgtuP
Reunion: https://bit.ly/2AJhhHo
Zero Hour: https://bit.ly/2JGfNBP
The Wastelander: https://youtu.be/8-nXN9ZMl8o

Origin Trailers:
Tracer: http://bit.ly/2fDNQxI
Soldier 76: http://bit.ly/1FpWpDB
Ana: http://bit.ly/29zamjl
Sombra: http://bit.ly/2fMt3aJ
Orisa: http://bit.ly/2liKFy8
King's Row Uprising: http://bit.ly/2p2pukK
Doomfist: http://bit.ly/2tWoWzZ
Moira: http://bit.ly/2hF7GXZ
Brigitte: http://bit.ly/2GSto50
Hammond: https://bit.ly/2lKVlU9
Ashe: https://bit.ly/2F2SPor
Baptiste: https://bit.ly/2TeM1Kq
Sigma: https://bit.ly/2JJTVWE
Echo: https://bit.ly/2IYIwRq
Sojourn: https://bit.ly/3KH4lmY
Junker Queen: https://youtu.be/xxtB_MJrycs

Other Videos:
A Moment in Crime - Junkers: http://bit.ly/2fMsVYB
Are You With Us?: http://bit.ly/2fle4Uw
We Are Overwatch: http://bit.ly/1Pd9XmJ
The Plan: http://bit.ly/2uZiitC
Retribution: https://bit.ly/2EI9RCZ
Roadtrip: https://bit.ly/2RLk08M
Storm Rising: https://bit.ly/2VOkcXh

limpid agate
#

That's a list of every one of them. Click any link other than Tracer Origins or Roadtrip, and you'll be there

#

Hammeh is also a good Youtuber for general lore details and summaries

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After that, TGN has a good 40 minute summary of the whole story

keen summit
#

can we just point out ashe has robot arm now?!

peak escarp
#

she does?

keen summit
#

yea

#

look at her redesign

peak escarp
#

they both look flesh to me

keen summit
#

ah mustve been the angle i saw

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the angles i saw looked like it was a robot arm

peak escarp
#

she does wear armor on her right arm

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did in her original design too

keen summit
#

yeah when u dont see the wrist the armor looks robotic

rare charm
#

there’s a triple interaction between reaper, widow and bap that’s really interesting to their whole dynamic and maybe baps escape

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reaper: you’re coming with us, augustin
bap: can’t you just leave me alone?
widow: you’re lucky. i just wanted to kill you.

neon aurora
#

I'm assuming this was during the time when Bap was running away from Talon in New Blood.

#

That interaction may be a response to his running away I guess.

#

There's a interaction with Sombra and D.va where sombra says at the end,

"I'm going to feel bad when we take you out."

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Something along the lines like this.

somber cloak
opal nexus
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cause junkrat keeps stealing and exploding all of her shit

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mans a full on kleptomaniac for all his idols

limpid agate
#

All of them are true

clear kestrel
#

awwww

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sombra's protective of sigma!

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"the boss was talking to Moira the other day. Kept looking over at you"
"ah, yes! he wanted the doctor to run some "non-invasive" tests"
"ay, you come to me if they try anything, ok?"

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that's so fucking sweet

worthy rose
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Seems a bit more of her personality has come out. She's genuinely a nice person to those she knows needs it. Plus sigma if he derails can probably just destroy the world so get on his good side. But no for real she seems like she'd only an asshole to those who are more deserving of it

clear kestrel
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I mean yeah one of the first things she did after joining talon was exposing Lumerico

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she's not a good person by any stretch
but she's not reaper levels of evil either

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she's protective and seems to care for Sigma
Gabe just sees him as an animal
"back in your cage, doctor"

worthy rose
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She's evil but she just isn't bad. Idk if that makes since

clear kestrel
#

morally ambiguous

worthy rose
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Pretty much

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You heard the voice lime when she kills pharah nanod?

clear kestrel
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"your mom helped me do that"

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that just seems more meta and funny

worthy rose
#

It's so funny

peak escarp
#

Lumerico was a recent thing

clear kestrel
#

right
point still stands tho

worthy rose
#

The question is if she knew the entire time.

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She's all about Intel so she probably did

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But if she did know why not act sooner ?

clear kestrel
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because it might have just made things worse?

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she's smart

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she was probably just waiting for the right time to strike

worthy rose
#

Yeah she is. Maybe it was a timing thing but still weird..

clear kestrel
#

plus she's got other shit to deal with lol

worthy rose
#

Yeah that's very true

peak escarp
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she exposed Portero right as Lumerico was about to activate their new power plants in Dorado

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it was definitely a timing thing

clear kestrel
#

how much of OW1s gameplay is canon actually?

peak escarp
#

only Archives

clear kestrel
#

aside from the archive PVE missions
oh

open galleon
#

is Echo Athena?

clear kestrel
#

no

limpid agate
#

Echo and Athena were both made by Dr. Liao

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But they are two different entities

clear kestrel
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oh I wasn't aware she made Athena as well

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I thought Winston made her

open galleon
#

oh cool i'm glad Athena is still a character and didn't turn into Echo

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i remember ages ago the rumours were that Echo from concept art would be a physical Athena

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like the AI from Mass Effect 3

clear kestrel
#

I mean that'd still be cool

open galleon
#

nah i like Athena as like the star trek computer of overwatch

limpid agate
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Thats because the old Echo concept art had Athena's logo

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But that was a mistake

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Concept artists just put something there to fill the space

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And that logo ended up being Athena's logo

open galleon
#

i wonder if the rumoured cat character eventually became ball

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those old concept arts were crazy

limpid agate
#

We were told that Jetpack Cat became Wrecking Ball, yes

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Jetpack Cat also still canonically exists as a character

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It's Brig's cat

opal nexus
somber cloak
fringe thistle
#

HOLY SHIT IS ANAHARDT A THING????

peak escarp
#

needs more context

fringe thistle
#

i don’t think there’s any other way you can take this tbh

peak escarp
#

were they dancing alone? or were other people there?

clear kestrel
#

"we were foolish, weren't we"
"perhaps we still are"

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I dunno about you but that seems pretty cut and dry lol

peak escarp
#

okay

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so?

clear kestrel
#

he's basically saying they're still a thing

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also they flirt a ton I don't see how it's so far fetched

peak escarp
#

I don't see why it matters

clear kestrel
#

I mean it's just more meaningful character interaction

peak escarp
#

they've always been flirty

clear kestrel
#

why are you debating this so hard?

somber cloak
#

True true

peak escarp
#

I'm not?

somber cloak
#

Who is torbs wife

peak escarp
#

Inrgid

clear kestrel
#

Ingrid Lindholme

fringe thistle
#

holy shit hammond is MAD at winston

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archnemesis???

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man he has still not forgiven winston for going to earth without him

clear kestrel
#

out of all the new interactions
how many of them are actually healthy friendships

peak escarp
#

Sombra seems to genuinely like/care about Sigma

clear kestrel
#

omg sigmas karaoke voice lines

peak escarp
#

Cassidy and Sombra seem to be friends too

clear kestrel
#

"haha... get down with sigma... tonight"

fringe thistle
#

this one actually slayed me

peak escarp
#

Reaper is so mean

fringe thistle
#

im fucking dead LOL

peak escarp
#

🤣

fringe thistle
#

everyone is so mean to junk LOL

sharp trench
#

reaper needs kill lines on dva

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“vibe this”
“respawn from that”

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“your vibe is dead”

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would be cool

fringe thistle
#

“you shouldn’t have gone outside”

timid minnow
#

We aren’t gonn see anything more of these tanks with tanks interactions in OW2

fringe thistle
#

? what are you talking about

#

junker queen has some with hammond and hog

peak escarp
#

open queue still exists, so they wrote tank-tank interactions

fringe thistle
#

also pve

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they’re not just gonna stop writing tank x tank interactions just because of role queue lol

past copper
#

Bet. I know this isn’t lore related. Or maybe it is. Anyway, I can already see one highlight intro we get for Junker Queen. Rocking on her guitar right before smashing it against the camera, cracking the screen

flat glacier
peak escarp
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they don't have that much in common

past copper
peak escarp
#

Mad Maggie isn't even Australian

past copper
#

Plus, it’s a classic thing to do. Smashing a guitar

flat glacier
#

and people correlate that junker queen is a walmart mad maggie

past copper
#

Oh, well I said highlight intro. Because she seems the type to smash her guitar after rocking out.

limpid agate
#

That's a dumb comparison

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All 3 of those things are based on the same thing

flat glacier
limpid agate
#

Mad Max

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Not each other

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If they're too similar to each other, its because they're all riffing off Mad Max in the same degree

past copper
#

You do have to wonder though. Will some highlight intros be removed and replaced?

peak escarp
#

not likely

past copper
#

Given some heroes no longer have those abilities

peak escarp
#

obsolete abilities are already represented in highlight intros

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like Torbjorn's level 3 turret is still seen in one of his highlight intros

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Hanzo's scatter arrow is still seen in his hero select animation

cunning ledge
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torbjorn still flips up a non-existent welding mask in his select animation

past copper
#

If you say so. I just figured some things the devs could do replace some highlight intros to incorporate new abilities. Like Orisa’s new ult, Junker Queen guitar (unless they use her axe instead), mobile turret Bastion etc

cunning ledge
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they'd just make new highlight intros for those

peak escarp
#

they'll just add new intros and leave the existing ones as-is

cunning ledge
#

new bastion has a repair arm despite not having the repair ability, they've probably taken care to keep it all consistent in case they ever want to bring abilities back or add them as pve talents

fringe thistle
#

usually devs try not to straight up throw perfectly good assets away

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they like to keep them just because

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if they completely got rid of scatter arrow or bongo's asset it's more work to replace it with something else and you dont have it just in case anymore

tall sleet
#

Winston Hammond beef makes me sad

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Poor hammy

worthy rose
#

Yeah Hammond not only got left on the moon but when he got to earth he landed in Junkertown of all places

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Poor hampter

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That's like being in prison just for you to get released into Australia

oak rapids
#

Personally theory, junker queen is not real she is a virtual reality character in a virtual game to stop players from playing any other tanks and force players to play supo

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But that’s just me

tall sleet
#

I think Hammond will come around eventually

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And their friendship will conquer again !!!

karmic turret
limpid agate
twilit nacelleBOT
#

Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

past salmon
#

!!shitposting

jolly lava
#

Ya

fringe thistle
#

i honestly don’t understand why people ship fareeha and angela so hard

iron plume
#

Gameplay, and being the two middle-age and conventionally attractive women in the game at the time

fringe thistle
#

like i see it everywhere on twitter today for some reason

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people are like “oh pharah is such a lesbian and in love with mercy”

sharp trench
#

gameplay wise the most sensible ship would be any dps hero + ana or mercy

fringe thistle
#

is it really just because of the gameplay synergy? there’s nothing that would suggest them having anything

iron plume
#

well we know what mercy thinks of professional soldiers and Helix in particular

#

as I said, gameplay and there wasn't a lot of options

fringe thistle
#

they have casual banter at most

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i guess i just dk why people want this to happen so bad when clearly genji and mercy are a thing

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i’ve never got it

iron plume
#

¯_(ツ)_/¯

#

Doesn't really matter

peak escarp
#

I've seen many claims that Pharah is queercoded... but not much canon evidence to support that

#

unless you count being in the military and riding motorcycles as being queercoded

fringe thistle
#

yeah that’s why i just don’t get it

sharp trench
#

real shit tho
is it possible reaper would go after families of overwatch agents former and present too
or vice versa with reapers family

fringe thistle
#

are people just projecting or

peak escarp
#

but I don't think he'd go after innocent people just to get to the Overwatch agents

balmy imp
#

I think he's only after the OW agents

peak escarp
fringe thistle
#

reaper still has a code of morality

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he joined talon because he thinks he can change the world for the better, genuinely

balmy imp
#

seems pretty bent on killing them but kind of only them. not sure if it's because he still has morals or if he just doesn't care about anyone else

sharp trench
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what about vice versa, overwatch and reapers family being used as sort of bait or negotiation tool

fringe thistle
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i don’t think he’d go out of his way to kill innocent people but he probably wouldn’t hesitate to kill bystanders if they got in his way either

balmy imp
#

I don't think anyone in new Overwatch knows that Reyes is alive

peak escarp
#

I don't think either side would go after the families

fringe thistle
#

despite how he acts he’s not a violent person

peak escarp
balmy imp
#

oh okay

peak escarp
#

and she would tell everyone else

balmy imp
#

yeah then thats gonna happen

fringe thistle
#

im sure cassidy does

sharp trench
#

how

balmy imp
#

in the comics

#

with Ana and Soldier

#

I think they told her in the short story maybe

fringe thistle
#

yeah valkyrie

peak escarp
# 
Reyes, Ogundimu, Maximilien, Vialli, Sombra, O’Deorain, and the rest of them.
They’ll be dealt with.”
Reyes. Just the mention of his name caused a shiver. I thought I’d buried all
three of them: Morrison, Amari, Reyes, but their ghosts lived on.```
fringe thistle
#

mercy met up with ana and jack in cairo iirc

peak escarp
#

yep

balmy imp
#

was Valkyrie the first time Mercy met them after their supposed deaths

peak escarp
#

yes

balmy imp
#

alr thanks

sharp trench
#

has mercy ever encountered reaper himself

fringe thistle
#

and ana saw what was under gabe’s mask

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in bastet i believe

peak escarp
#

she sees him at a distance in the story

fringe thistle
#

so they know it’s gabe

#

im sure they could recognize his voice too though

peak escarp
# 
with their red and white masks were everywhere, pinning down the Helix soldiers in
blue. Suddenly, a series of explosions tore through the night, and my eyes fixated
on a dark mass, darker than night. A black figure emerged from it. A hailstorm of
gunfire exploded from its center, and the two old soldiers raced for cover, out of my
sight.
“What is that?” I breathed.
“Gabriel.”
I winced from the intensity of Jack’s voice in my ear. A dozen questions tried
to shoulder their way into my attention, but right now, I had to push them away.
“That’s not our concern, Morrison. We have people to save.”```
fringe thistle
#

like genji and cassidy would recognize his voice for sure

sharp trench
#

with his edgelord filter?

peak escarp
#

Cassidy and Genji would recognize his fighting style, if they saw him in person

#

but afaik they haven't yet

fringe thistle
#

his voice is the same just raspier

sharp trench
#

i do wonder though who reaper is going to go after next

peak escarp
#

hard to say

#

we'll have to wait for the continuation of the Old Soldiers storyline

fringe thistle
#

HOLY SHIT

#

4 PERSON INTERACTIONS

#

bro im boutta cry the gang is back together genjicry

opal nexus
#

genji is not having any of it

peak escarp
#

I love it

fringe thistle
#

i live for gabe and cassidy’s toxic relationship ngl

#

they’re totally still friends underneath it

peak escarp
#

in Reaper's defense, Cassidy did spend the whole Retribution mission whining

fringe thistle
#

gabe, moira, and cass are like those toxic friends that bust each other’s asses all the time but still have each other’s back

#

genji was kinda just…there in retribution tho

sharp trench
#

genji should join the club

peak escarp
#

I dont think Cassidy and Moira were ever friends

fringe thistle
#

maybe “friends” is a strong word

sharp trench
#

no he just despises moira, for good reason

peak escarp
#

and Cassidy won't like Gabe anymore after what he's done

fringe thistle
#

i just think it’s funny that gabe still has his same sense of humor

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same with moira

sharp trench
#

i wonder what genji’s take is on reaper and soldier and every other character driven by anger

fringe thistle
#

they all totally hate each other and it’s great

peak escarp
#

Moira is that friend-of-a-friend

fringe thistle
#

since he knows what it’s like to hold on to anger

#

zen taught him forgiveness and acceptance

sharp trench
#

and reaper?

fringe thistle
#

probably the same

#

but it kinda sucks because we don’t know genji’s thoughts on blackwatch

#

he only ever even mentions it once in ow1

#

in ow2 he has an interaction with jack where jack blames him for doing nothing

sharp trench
#

i wonder

#

will overwatch try to at least negotiate with reaper rather than killing or subduing him for good

#

he is quite the incredible asset after

peak escarp
#

he knew about it, yet he did nothing to stop it

#

in fact he endorsed it, unofficially

fringe thistle
#

genji calls him out on it

peak escarp
#

Genji wasn't in any kind of position to do anything about it

#

Cassidy maybe, but not Genji

fringe thistle
#

not only does genji not deny anything but he calls him out too

#

also genji wasn’t exactly in the best state of mind either so yeah he’s (genji) right

fringe thistle
#

jack? jack would probably shoot him on sight i think

#

but i have no clue

clear kestrel
#

typical DPS lol

fringe thistle
#

he’s in denial i think

sharp trench
fringe thistle
#

jack is just angry at the world right now

sharp trench
#

reaper probably unironically thinks he’s the one carrying in terrorist operations

clear kestrel
#

"DPS diff ez clap"
"Jack what the fuck are you saying"

#

"fucking healers need to step up"

fringe thistle
#

man i really wanted the blackwatch gang to be a nice team because of some nice fanart ive seen

clear kestrel
#

I mean

fringe thistle
#

but that’s not how it was lol

clear kestrel
#

Genji and cass like eachother lol

#

and I imagine gabe and cole had some genuine respect for eachother BEFORE retribution

#

after that is when things went to shit

peak escarp
#

being an actual gamer

sharp trench
#

reaper needs cocky kill lines on dva

clear kestrel
#

Jack's a DPS
he just says it without realising it
it was hardwired into him after the SEP

sharp trench
#

on god

fringe thistle
#

what i expected:

image0.jpg
clear kestrel
sharp trench
clear kestrel
#

I live for fics where OW is basically a tight knit family unit and Jack and Gabe are the team moms
and the events of OW are just a huge, fucked up domestic dispute

#

good shit

fringe thistle
#

that’s actually kinda how bw seemed

#

they were just a really toxic family

#

and it was super entertaining to listen to

clear kestrel
#

jack being canonically gay probably helped

peak escarp
#

Moira is that friend that one of your friends brings into the group and they swear she's cool but everyone else gets a bad vibe off them

fringe thistle
#

i absolutely loved hearing gabe and cass rag on each other during retribution tbh

clear kestrel
#

I genuinely think jack and gabe being a thing before OW fell would have some juicy melodrama potential

fringe thistle
#

retribution had the best dialogue

sharp trench
iron plume
#

as a wise man once said
don't shit where you eat

#

but yeah either way I don't think it'd be helpful

fringe thistle
#

that whole cass being an undercover waiter bit was my favorite part of retribution

#

“bona signora, can i-a get you-a something to drink-a”

clear kestrel
#

I mean it wouldn't make a difference whether they were together or not before the fall
it still happens
I just think them being a thing would make it all hit harder than just them being close friends is all

peak escarp
#

shame those lines got lost with the rename