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make him robot moses or smth
that plot thread has just been dangling for years
like bro i gotta know what happened next
it really makes me think they had plans to do more story missions before it got scrapped
"damn doomfist got his ass beat time to hide"
if Null Sector had the power/resources to attack humanity on their own, they wouldn't have gone to Talon/Doomfist
for sure they probably hate all humans anyway
I still remember this
Yes.
It seems the hero has similar tech to Hanzo and Genji
Not some literal magical Kitsune like people kept saying
Tech? that's magic mate
There is no magic in Overwatch
Hanzo and Genji literally form dragons
Yes, that is tech. It was explicitly deconfirmed as magic
The dragons behave near identically to Symmetra's hard light energies.
I was thinking about this
Maybe the fox is a a pet hologram of some sort
Could be.
it is visually consistent with Hanzo's dragons
I would say it’s likely considering the colour
Asa Yamagami was the swordmaster for Genji and Hanzo
So she may have access to the same tech
Her husband likely made Genji's sword as well, which he uses to help channel his dragon
Aren't they spirit dragons?
That's the name of it.
They're not literally spirit dragons
Just like how your magic marker is not literally a magic marker
Mr Clean's Magic Eraser does not dispell dirt from this plane of existence.
Man it makes them a lot less cool now
Ah okay so it's nanotech in hanzos tattoo and then it's embedded in genjis sword
More or less yes
I'd assume that the new fox hero shares that
Possibly stealing it from the shimadas?
It’s similar to Zenyatta. He’s not magic, he just has hover tech in his torso
Actually, seems the fox hero is a support
Whoever they are, seem to be using what looks to be a mix of Baptiste’s and/or Lúcio’s ult and Hanzo’s ult
But, we’ll see. I’m sure someone will bring this mysterious hero up during the event
Well, it’s official. I’m in love with Junker Queen. I want her in the game right now lol
She’s a total badass all around
only 12 Days

12 is too long a wait. She’s even more awesome than I thought. And I love she can use her knife instead of a punch melee
||I have a feeling we might see Mason Howl again. The shot of them throwing them out into the wasteland was ominous||
I think 22:13 with bastion has a new hero in the side bar
Where it shows the team
If anyone ever watched RWBY, is her axe and gauntlet giving weapon vibes
||Also love Junkrat was the first to announce her as Junker Queen||
Seriously who has image perms so I can message them the picture I took of it
Looks like a Brigitte skin or something
It's definitely Brigitte's face
But its story mode and it looks like theres a crown of sorts on her
I wanna talk about 22:23. That null sector was hunting the poor omnic guy and the omnic guy starts FLOATING
Also the freaking giant turrets and the titan guy again. I'm so sad it was legit only 2 minutes of PvE 
Bro. There’s gonna be an actual Null Sector Titan like from Zero Hour. I’m both scared and hyped
I actually thought to myself, would they bring that back as an enemy and they did
It does make sense to bring it back. No way Null Sector only had one of those things
||You know what be cool. If that giant magnet was fixed and activated on Junkertown ||
that sounds like it would be annoying
I meant for a PvE, but given the circumstances, it might only be in Hero Missons
They did say they wanted to add like a hundred different kinds of Hero Missions, so after seeing that in action, it’s a possibility on that map
It's been a year and they only showed 3 minutes of PvE. I wanna see more talents and clips of the completed cinematics
Also, looks like I was wrong and Hammond was in Junkertown longer than expected
At least before Wastelander
at least there was confirmation that PvE is still coming
Yeah didn't Hammond hide his identity in Junkertown?
which should shut up some of the deniers
No. Looks like everyone knows he’s a hamster
No like I swear they just retconned the secret identity part. I gotta reread his bio on the site
I don’t think he ever actually hid his identity. Because it looks like they wouldn’t have accepted him if he was a machine (his mech)
Hammond modified his escape pod to enter the lucrative mech battle arena of the Scrapyard. Working his way up the ranks, "Wrecking Ball" went from contender to champion, though the pilot's identity remained a mystery to all. Gathering his winnings, Hammond was able to upgrade his mech enough to survive the dangerous trek out of the Junker-controlled Outback.
looks like his identity didn't stay a secret from everyone
The Queen certainly found out. She’s much smarter than you thought
Still, seems Hammond can act a little big headed. I’d imagine he’d reveal who he is just to make the fighters feel ashamed to have lost to a hamster lol
But it would also probably make them wanna try harder at beating him
Also, seems Junker Queen is gonna have two designs already, because you can actually see her appearance change over the course of her rule
Winston has a new voice actor so - is overwatch 1 taking place earlier? he sounds much younger
he doesn't have a new voice actor
where?
the OW2 release date trailer
thats not him talking
Winston didn't speak in the trailer
lmao
thats his father figure harold winston
did you mean Zenyatta?
That’s not them talking. Those are characters from different animated shorts
Was Hammond in the cinematic?
the subtitles have a [Harold Winston]
Where? I didn’t see him
it was just one frame no movement
In order of voice
Kid from the cinematic in the museum
Girl from “Hero”
Mondatta from “Alive”
Harold Winston from “Recall”
Sojourn
Such a tease they didn’t reveal soldiers badass beard
thanks
the girl's name is Alejandra
oh wow, hammond is australian?
Right. I forgot. Hadn’t watched the old shorts in some time
No. He fell to Australia
from space?
After tethering his ship to Winston’s escape pod from the Horizon Lunar Colony
Hamster that fell from space into an apocalyptic Australia
he must've thought the whole earth is just this
No. He’s as smart as Winston
He know there’s more to Earth, but willingly lives in Junkertown as one of the champions in the arena
but he can't speak due to vocal cords?
He built his pod into his mech and added in the communicator to express himself
I really hope genji and hanzo has some moments in PVE
It depends if they actually meet. Hanzo is on his own somewhere
Did the Shimada clan have any other living members?
Maybe they find out genji is still alive or something
Where is Hammond now?
we don't know
uh
no he left ages ago
last we saw of him was leaving Junkertown at the end of his origin trailer
Well then where will he end up? Cuz I have reason to believe he’s on the search for winston
the Shimada clan was wiped out by Blackwatch years ago - the Hashimoto clan took over their castle
Well, this is a super smart hamster with a battle mech. Where would he go in the world
I hope sigma gets lore
were they the ones guarding Hanamura?
yep
I mean he wanted to go with winston to wherever he was going when they left the colony. Hammon couldn’t make it because the cable for his pod broke off as they entered earth’s atmosphere and that’s how he fell to Australia like a meteor
Mfw they make one of the most interesting characters and never expand it
Hope he gets a comic some time at least
I mean hopefully
No. He just wanted off Horizon after the apes took over
He's just a Sigma Male
what does that even mean
I mean yeah true but it seems that he was okay with being alongside winston since winston was the only one like him in intellect and the only one not revolting against the colony.
Pretty sure they mean they simping for Sigma
He just couldn’t because the cable broke off connecting their pods
I feel like mauga is probably the new tank dropping in December
Listen there’s two people who like sigma in this world:
The ones who like him barefoot or the ones who don’t
Mfw his summer skin wasn’t barefoot…
All the animals on Horizon were intelligent. It’s just Winston didn’t want to stay after they killed the scientists and took over and chose to leave. Hammond just wanted to leave because he’s an adventurous little scamp
Well either way, he will probably reunite with winston at some point
It be real cute too.
I don’t even think Winston and Hammond have interactions
i think hammond will fit into overwatch by maybe wanting to help winston as he helped him escape, i dunno tho just my theory
Which leads me to think they never really knew each other on Horizon
they have a couple
Wrecking Ball: *Squeaks*
Winston: What?! Well that explains the drag when I lifted off! I was sure that my calculations were correct.```
Wrecking Ball: *Squeaks*
Winston: You're right, that would be much worse.```
See? They’re friendly for the most part in game
In canon I’m pretty sure winston would be happy to see hammond again
Not to mention Hammond can provide a lot for the team.
That web dude…I hope one day we see how big it actually is
I also love the interactions with baptiste
The fact that Sombra actively warns Bap about Mauga coming for him shows she is good inside.
I know for a fact all hell will break lose when he shows up to get back at him…
It also seems like she’s more than willing to be friends with ashe
In return..for embarrassing stories about mcree
Fair trade honestly.
The interaction with moira and sombra is a bit unnerving since Moira seems more than willing to experiment on omnics
God moira is such a great villain
Anyone else think Geiger and Meri would make good heroes?
maybe
the overwatch lore iceberg
i do think it’s hilarious Sombra, of all people, doesn’t know who Sam or Sojiro are
“Pharah’s father or sibling”
“Shimada leader”
lmao
now this right here though…this is interesting. how is reinhardt connected to the iris…
very strange
that's not the Iris
we don't know what that omnic is
whoever labeled this chart guessed wrong
The text is not part of the actual image
It was edited on
ohh no wonder it looks so sloppy
still very curious that reinhardt is linked to the iris though
if indirectly
or whatever that eye is supposed to represent
i wonder why rein is linked to that omnic
I think if there's any symbol that symbolizes the Iris the shambali symbol would be used
Unless we're talking about a different iris bc I have no idea where you guys are going with this conversation. We don't know what the eye net conspiracy is and we might never find out. Who knows
I might as well throw this all out there but I personally believe that the Iris or more specifically Aurora's sacrifice and omnic sentience is connected to the beginning of the omnic crisis and null sector and all that. The tidbit in deadlock rebels about bob leaving during the omnic crisis and coming back with sentience is a huge hint towards it all and the fact that talon wants Zen for something can't be a simple "create conflict blah blah blah"
Like I REALLY wanna know what the omnics leaving is all about
I'm considering developing an actual theory if we get more lore before pve comes out lol
In the Junker Queen cinematic, it's interesting that Wrecking Ball/Hammond was part of her army in that montage.
I thought that only her and Bruce knew about Hammond's true identity, as wasn't it a secret that Wrecking Ball is piloted by a hamster for the citizens of Junkertown?
it only said that nobody knew his identity before becoming champion
Oh.
So they're just cool with a teddy bear-sized hamster among their clan?
Man, I feel like a stupid dummy.
junkertown only hates omnics tbh
because their omnium exploded and all they’ve ever known is omnic wars
they probably think an intelligent hamster is hilarious
It's probably also just for comedic effect
It's canon
No, it's not
Wasn't iris an early name/ design for echo?
What's this then?
the Iris is also the thing the Shambali believe in
which is why Echo got renamed, to avoid confusion
I'm not saying iris is the confirmed name
Since most of the stuff on that image above was written on
But it definitely looks somewhat like an early design of echo
Just like how brig had used one of her comic designs
@karmic turret Yes, its an early name for her.
But its not relevant as an early name anymore either
Yes
I know
I was purely talking about the design of the omnic looking similar to early echo concepts
Most specifically this one
hi
Hi
in moiras new look for overwatch 2, it shows her whole damage arm looking absolutely busted
i thought that it might have just been her hand but it looks like
the whole arm was affected by whatever experiments she conducted on herself
this is the early game ideas?
yerr
Those were shown to be in that Rio mission in that blizz event where they had xqc and some other people, werent they
So it'd be reasonable to think some of the missions will.
Hahahaha nah dude thats probably gonna be somewhere in 2023
I don't expect any pve till 2023
I mean that's kinda what they said in the reveal broadcast
Praying for pve in February and not in July or something. I wanna talk for hours and see discussions flying in here
I think it'll be around April time.
it could've just been that it spread or she experimented with it
not sure if previous art can be considered canon
but the earlier versions of her arm show that it went up to her elbow
actually, after checking, I'm not sure. But if the Oasis skin is considered canon, then there weren't any visible changes to it yet
Introducing Junker Queen
Watch her short, The Wastelander, here: https://youtu.be/8-nXN9ZMl8o
Discover the origin story of Junker Queen's rise to the throne of Junkertown in our animated short: The Wastelander!
Overwatch 2 arrives October 4 free to play on Windows® PC and Xbox Series X|S, Xbox One, PlayStation®5, PlayStation®4, and Nintendo Switch™ consoles.
Can’t wait that long? Get a chance to play as Junker Queen in Overwatch 2 dur...
Brig's or rein's, (whichever way you interpret) abilities on a character looking like S76
these concepts wildin
Are Bap and Sombra friends?
Didn’t she help him find mercy too ?
yep
Bap and sombra have a ton of similarities, I am thinking Bap’s decision to join overwatch will influence sombra a lot.
We stan Bap and Sombra
I honestly think Sombra isn't even Evil.. and I can see her joining Overwatch or being on the sidelines helping them for her own personal gain.. but yeah
...he has a sombra hotline app?
lmao he doesnt just have her number?
it's an encrypted app
Excluding Sigma for obvious reasons
Sombra is the least antagonistic of Talon's members
And also the least loyal
gonna need a source for that
!!shitposting @vestal stratus
@vestal stratus Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
they were very convincing
Do you believe everything you read from a label or tv commercial?
In the cases of those things. One word. Money. Nough said
Regardless, if Mei was ran over as a “kid” she’d be dead
Hospital can’t cure death
she didnt do die
I’m neutral but you don’t always die from being run over
we are just discussing lore jeez
Idk. They clearly think they’re comedians
Mei never got ran over. A kid surviving getting run over is 5%. These are facts
This channel if for lore
lucky her
Not ridiculous fan fiction
5% is not facts - it depends on variables such as speed of teh vehicle and weight
you can get ran over by a 15 ton armored personnel carrier and come out mostly fine
ran over being literally ran over by the wheels
Exactly
Why are we even discussing this nonsense? Mei never got ran over as a kid and the guy who F8Lx heard this from clearly just told them that to make them sound silly
!!shitposting @vestal stratus
@vestal stratus Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
what have i done now
For claiming something false as truth in lore discussion
“did u know that mei got ran over as a child read that somewhere”
Doesn’t sound like asking
i was asking
she didn't get run over as a child
This is how communities die
They were told, multiple times
She wasnt run over
Carrying it on how it was isn't discussion. its just shitposting
hello, can someone tell me how long rienhart is canonically
like height?
!!shitposting @raw ivy
@raw ivy Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
i don’t get it
This is for serious lore discussion
ok
This channel is not meant for shit posting
Haha hey Roup
I- what
Excuse me??
just now realized that was a dick joke
@ mod scammer
Yeah i love their chemistry
Does anyone know what hanzo was doing during the events of Ow1 that made him so “depressed” in Ow2 because in some of his voice lines in Ow2 he seems really defeated
I could be wrong though
we havent had much, if literally any, lore of him since 'Dragons'
Dang
genji is the favourite brother
Fan favorite you mean or is he actually
fan favourite, dev favourite
Yeah i enjoy him a lot but cannot play him for my life
Do you know how ashe and cassidy met ?
all i know is Ashe picked him up from a farm
in the novel Deadlock Rebels, iirc, they first met in a holding cell and then she picked him up at a farm
my memory could be wrong
Ohh thanks
i recommend reading/listening to it
the voice actor of Ashe reads it as an audio book and apparently does a good Cassidy impression
i think hes just been really conflicted ever since he discovered genji was alive
struggling to find purpose in this life besides "blah blah strongest most honourable warrior man who does nothing but be sad about his dead brother"
Oh
hmmmmmmmm
yeah finding out that your dead brother who you mourned for so long isnt actually dead and you didnt actuall kill him... that'd be a punch in the gut
junker queen's lore is so good
The origin short introduced some interesting story about renegade outback omnics, and a group of 5 large omnics that she destroyed
I wanna see more of that
Want larger faction groups we now have junkers and wastlanders
The junkers are at least a bit more significant now that they have 3 heroes to represent them
I hope they do the same with Vishkar and Helix
technically 4 if you count hammond
Which... Should count now
Previously we just thought he was a wanderer who became champ and not an actual Junker himself
But the short really presents him as a major player and part of the Queen's inner circle
You know, we seem to have a few groups divided in Junkertown
Scrapers
Tinkers
Wastelanders
yeah
what are your guy's predictions for how the kanezka fox girl ties into the shimada brothers story?
since she'll be apart of that thing .
stolen and repurposed tech from the shimada clan
lol hanzo would hate her
She might be working with Hanzo
Asa's letter mentioned multiple vigilantes
Her daughter and Hanzo could be them
Hanzo’s not a vigilante. He’s on the run from everyone his clan has sent to kill him
As to the fox girl. I’m not sure what to think of her hardlight fox that we saw, but I can guess some weapons she may have. How they’re designed to fit Overwatch, one can only guess.
I do hope maybe something like either a pair of tessen. Steel razor edged fans
Hanzo is a mercenary, which is basically the same thing
who is Asa?
Asa Yamagami, Genji and Hanzo's swordmaster
I certainly like what I’m seeing with our mystery support’s ult, but I’m curious to know what else we can expect from them
I kinda think it might be a pathway thats heals or gives shield when people are on it for a period of time
I also originally thought of it to be a building dps. Allowing people to cross gaps or something, that could be abused in a few ways though so i reconsidered it
Dunno if someone has already mentioned this, but Junker Queen's first name, Odessa, shares the same name as a Ukranian place which was called that cause the ruler at the time was heavily inspired by Homer's Odyssey. So with The Wastelander cinematic, I think it's a cool parallel how Odysseus and Dez both left their homes, went through several ordeals, and came back home several years later to rule over it.
it's a great parallel
So is ball just vibing in junkertown right now? Or did he leave after a while ik theres orgins skins and he was seen in the story but he just kinda seems there lol
So. Anyone got any ideas where Junkertown, Mason Howl, and Junker Queen all fit into the Overwatch timeline?
We’ve got 13 years to work with there
apparently there was a description of the short that says Junker Queen has ruled Junkertown for a decade
"a decade" could be 10 years or it could be rounding
her song also says "fought the world since seventeen"
so maybe she was 17 during that fight, and is 27 now
or was she 17 when she started fighting in general and was in her 20s when she fought Howl (making her 30-something now)
we won't know until we get her age
I wish she was older
Well, you can at least see the difference between her age in Wastelander and how she looks in the game
Honestly, doesn’t look like more than a couple of years have passed
physical appearance isn't a very good indicator of how long has passed
people dont visually age much between their 20s and 30s
and Blizzard's art style makes everyone look younger than they should
We’ll see, but I’m betting she’s at least in her late twenties. Maybe 28 give or take
She says she fought since she's 17. Makes sense, the Outback seems Mad Max crazy wild. She was cast out roughly 13 years ago, because Mason threw her family out. Maybe when he became the King? She looks 10-12 on the screenshot :
So when she defeat him, she is maybe 23-25 years old, top.
And she rules Junkertown for 10 years, so now, she is 33-35 years old. Which kinda fit her look IMO
You know, I just thought of this, but with environmental changes, I’d love to see Junkertown hit with a dust storm
yooo radstorms from fallout
This isn't a radstorm, just a regular old desert sandstorm
i know im just remarking on ryu's comment
maybe an arcade gamemode but it would kinda ruin competetive and qp
yeah theyre mainly gonna be a pve thing methinks
They did acknowledge that Mutants exist
For what its worth
There is now the possibility Roadhog is one, since we have never seen them
And also never seen him
Well we can’t rule out the possibility of mutant animals either
Feral Omnics, mutant animals, and wasteland raiders
I can already see some fun hero missions using those things now
It also sounded like she set up possible hero mission bosses
Five Metal Demons of the Burning Lands
doesn't the story say she defeated them?
It does. But really, I think she might be exaggerating only a little to tell an epic story
Regardless, I’m curious to know more about those feral Omnics
You gotta wonder if they’re the remains from the Omnium they destroys years ago
the remains of the omnium is Junkertown
Maybe. But that doesn’t mean the Omnics couldn’t have been from there
It was gifted to them after the crisis after all
So it was probably supposed to be building normal Omnics until it was destroyed
yes
At the least, it probably managed to build hundreds of Omnics that escaped into the unforgiving outback and became feral
Honestly makes me wonder, is there another Omnic group hiding in the Australian Outback?
You got the Shambali, Null Sector, and the Gwishin. So another group of Omnics isn’t unlikely
depends if Bastion officially joins or not
We have disproportionately few omnic heroes
The last one was Orisa, and she was 3rd
still waiting for a villain omnic
so far they've all been good-aligned
fingers crossed for Null Hector
Did masterian (the youtuber) come up with that nickname or were people already using it?
i mean he does not seem to have alot of attack moves
All we've seen of him is putting down his hood wdym
i'd like to see Meri from the junkerqueen animation tho
Meri
yeah
she got a good moveset grapple, rocket launcher, charge and for primary attack claw
Rip Mondatta😔
I just noticed this. Hammond’s Junker mech is now canon
Really, never actually noticed that
it was already
Well, we knew his mech there was. But now we also know it was the full skin too
He really did dress like a Junker
Wasn’t it confirmed that his pod broke off from winston’s and he landed in Junker town and joined junker queen?
yep
It’s one of the skins that have descriptions so it’s lore
having a description on a skin doesn't make it a canon skin
Junker D.Va has a description
Sherlock Cassidy has a description
True but there’s also that the skin was in his origin story
On the topic of characters in origin stories, I wonder if geiger will become a hero at some point, and maybe even meri
From the wastelander cinematic
probably not
Yeah, but there’s still hoping
I’m wondering how the fox support is gonna work
Or their lore
this is connected to her
It does mention a kitsune
Blizzard saw fallout and said they wanted that and made Australia radioactive
I think Mad Max is a bigger influence
I think the designs came from mad max
Literally more Mad Max than anything else
so its just the outback thats like this right?
places like sydney are doing just fine?
The size of the Outback
Luckily, Junkertown is located in Central Australia, which is in the Northern Territory
Hi Does anyone know the time period between overwatch going underground to being supported in the overwatch 2 short zero hour?
I trying to make fanfic of a overwatch crossover so i trying to get a good timeline set.
Overwatch was disbanded 5 years ago and overwatch 2 begins a year after the present time so there's roughly 6ish years between overwatch 1 and 2 if that helps
@opaque tundra Do you know where the shorts take place in the timeline?
I have no idea about recent shorts but I know there was an image of a timeline that was shown at an event or something but it's outdated
@opaque tundra Thanks for help this lore is confusing
I believe it's in the bottom link in pinned messages
Just check pinned messages it's very useful
Thanks but is it from past to present ?
Does anyone know what time each hero joined reborn overwatch in order?
I check the pinned message it don't have what i was looking for
New blood shows how Cassidy recruits some heroes and then there's Zero Hour
Zero hour : Winston Mei Tracer, joined by Reinhardt Brigitte Echo Genji Mercy
Then you have Cassidy recruiting Pharah, Zarya, Baptiste, Dva. At the end of the comic they are in route to meet with Winston and Co
We know that Lucio and Sojourn are going to join but it’s going to be told in the PVE in 2023
i'm wondering how this lines up with nobody knowing who the pilot of the Wrecking Ball mech is
maybe that was only true at first?
Still true for Junkrat
@grand wedge What comic ? and what the time between zero hour and the comic?
And is Overwatch still outlawed or they can still privately?
New Blood - If you read it, you'll see - it goes before, during and after Zero Hour.
Enjoy and have fun!
@grand wedge Thanks i look into where i could get it
In the link just above 🙂
Thank You
I just have one more question is overwatch still outlawed in world or they run privately?
They didn't expand on that point really. It seems it's kinda run privately, but it's still not sure on the outlaw part of it
Since it say i forgot where that goverment banned overwatch action and anyone from overwatch who still was active were outlawed?
It was in Recall : https://youtu.be/sB5zlHMsM7k
Delve deeper into the world of Overwatch with our first animated short: Recall! Then play FREE during the Open Beta May 5-9: http://blizz.ly/1U5gi77
"Recall" tells the story of Winston—a genetically engineered gorilla and brilliant scientist who longs for the days of heroism to return. In this episode, we explore Winston's thoughts and memori...
Overwatch is still outlawed and are operating illegally
hopefully they will address this in the story
Thanks For the link and the help @peak escarp @grand wedge
They have to. Sure, they’re the only ones with experience in dealing with Null Sector and Talon
the Blizzconline panel indicated that it was still part of the story
But the law can’t just turn a blind eye on something deemed illegal by the UN
Even if Overwatch is saving the world
they'll probably revoke that because of null sector 2.0
the world needs overwatch again
Not nececarily
The UN will probably task Helix with handling Null Sector
I think some individual nations might choose to support Neo Overwatch though, such as South Korea
i hope thats what its actually called
or at least a new prefix/suffix
just calling it Overwatch again doesnt feel right
I'm quite sure they'll just be called Overwatch
I only reffer to them as Neo Overwatch for ease of understanding when discussing the lore
That and the word Neo is fun to use
the average old overwatch fan: CORRUPT, LOVES KILLING TIN CANS, TOO AMBITIOUS
the average neo overwatch enjoyer: saves the world because no one will, so charming and optimistic that they will literally ask anyone for help
LOVES KILLING TIN CANS
i just wanted them to be called something like that for ease of differentiation
instead of saying "old overwatch"
idk
I can't tell if that's her new default or some new skin
Because of the esports decals on her mech
It’s her default new look
So esports exists in the overwatch world
I suppose its just a collective term for gaming sports
I like that it says GREMLIN on her mech as well
Yes. E-sports exists in Overwatch
Of which Hana has won several trophies from competitions
Ik that much. Just assumed the esports decal was branding
It is. Hana has several sponsorships so branding is normal

they were probably referring to like
RL branding
then again this is the same universe that retconned starcraft from existence
They didn't retcon Starcraft. Starcraft still exist in the world of Overwatch.
Dva played Starcraft with her dad.
oh true
By this logic if skins are lore then rein is actually a secret train conductor
And Dva is a police officer??
And a bee?
Call it Overwatch 2
not all skins are lore
some represent parts of the hero's backstory
some are just silly costumes
@peak escarp dunno if its been posted already yet, but with today's Junker Queen Gameplay Trailer, you can see new looks in more detail like Soldier, Ana, Roadhog, and Junkrat who we havent seen yet
I can post image links
aye there's a good one
we have, its good to get different angles though
his hair is no longer singed and he’s not covered in soot anymore
bro went to therapy and took his normal pills
well ok his face still looks a little crazy but i like this character development
his and roadhog’s gadgets no longer look scrapped together either, i wonder what that means in context of lore. his rip tire looks much more sophisticated and high tech than the pile of junk it was in ow1
The idea of junkrat calming down and working at a 9 to 5 job has just entered my mind because of this sentence
i wonder if he found a place to pursue his inventing passion
i always got the impression he was secretly a genius who just acts really dumb, like he did built fully functional weaponry out of pure junk
He could work for torbjorn
id actually love to see him join the ironclad guild
Lol yeah
him wearing goggles on his head really makes me think he’s a serious blacksmith now
his frag launcher looks the exact same as ow1 though, unsure if they just haven’t finished the new one or if that IS the new one
since his rip tire is so upgraded i hope that’s just the ow1 launcher as placeholder
Do that’s my boy’s Junkrat new look! I’m love it! He looks like an even bigger badass
Also love the goggles and swept back hair
A nice little touch too is that his goggle lenses are different colors.
nah
I don’t know how, but I think they somehow misinterpreted what I said
I said D.Va’s OW2 redesign is lore
Idk what u mean pink spark Hammond is defo lore
No it’s not
It’s not a dead community and this is serious discussion about lore
would mayhem and junker hammond be cannon though
"wrecking ball climbed the ranks to become the champion of the scrapyard, junkertown's mech combat arena"
Its so dead bro, its been dead the past 3years
People don't have any sense of humour these days, everyone's so serious and dry
lots of games would dream to have the playerbase overwatch currently has
that's not to say that overwatch is even nearly as active as it was, though
Ok then why stay? Nobody is forcing you to stay. And if you want to joke around, there’s a general discussion for that
but i agree i don't think a little joke needs to be immediately shut down even if this is a "serious" channel BLA BLA
Its not called serious lore discussion
anyways pink mayhem hammond cannon or not methink it is
the channel description says [serious]
I stand corrected
Never noticed that
I'm happy to admit when I'm wrong, but its not a crime to be a little light hearted mate
I kinda doubt it. That’s just a recolored version of his Junker skin, but idk
but would his junker skin be cannon?
His Junker skin is canon
in my heart mayhem is cannon then
junker hammond is canon
he was in the short
Wait really?
It is indeed
thats why i brought it up LOL
its been there forever lol
look at his little mohawk
what are some other canon skins in ow that aren't their like .. default skin
ngl i hate all of the "talon" skins except baptistes! sombra and widow don't look as good as usual
not all the archives skins
when i said “archives” i actually meant the pve missions lol mb
bastet and shrike ana cannon?
both yup
yes
both are aliases ana used in cairo
tho im not sure if thats actually how they look in canon
in canon “shrike” ana is default ana with a mask
not the purple recolor
ik shrike ana was in one of sombras videos
have no idea whats up with bastet
in her little uhhhh web of info
im guessing the bastet skin we have in game is not accurate either
so is it literally a recolored version of her default outfit
like in canon
does she just have 2 versions of that gun and her coat
I guess
thats why i think lore related epics are confusing lol
but yeah this is what i meant by shrike ana not being accurate
an accurate shrike would be her default outfit with a mask, which i think shouldve been her default anyway im ngl
like how soldier has a mask
would be cool if she was actually referred to in game as "Shrike" instead of "Ana" too tbh
until now i didnt realize anas coat had holes in it
idk why that upsets me but it does
I don’t know if this is classified as lore, but isn’t there going to be a campaign in overwatch 2?
But isn’t it free?
"selling" as in, reason to play it
Ah I see
but it was taking longer than expected, so they decided to separate it from the PvP and launch that early
the PvE will be out some time next year
o unrelated to this discussion
but why does mercy look so young compared to her other overwatch members? is it cause of her like
knowledge of science and health etc etc
shes pretty young by overwatch standards
oh damn i thought she was a founding member of overwatch
she's not in the same generation as Ana and Reinhardt and Soldier
she's in the middle generation, like Cassidy, Genji and Tracer
ooh okay that makes much more sense
there are other inconsistencies with in game skins as well
im pretty sure blackwatch genji is supposed to have a prototype model of the shuriken he uses in the present day instead of what he has in game, but its just to spice up the in game skin ig
also that took forever to send, wow discord
the skins aren't 100% lore accurate
yeah
but many of them do reference the lore
i generally dont like to associate any of the skins with lore if i can since overwatch is fully noncanon
im pretty sure cassidy had the same revolver he uses now when he was in the deadlock gang
but the deadlock skin has a diff pistol
i think deadlock ashe is probably the only skin thats like 100% lore accurate since it has the exact same rifle model, which is a family heirloom
there are other ones that are clear references but not the exact appearance
i think crusader and balderich rein might be completely accurate though
the game version has to include the armor/shoulder pads for his silhouette
yep
they added all that extra junk to him to match the silhouette
highkey want this as a skin tho
the color palette on his outfit is so slick
maybe when they finally decide to go back to lore skins for archives lol
I think this is the closest you'll get
Thats not close
i really hope not
Archives is dead anyway
i know thats a very loose interpretation but thats barely even a reference
events as we knew them are pretty much dead, replaced by seasons
like its not even the same color palette
his hair is the same, that's about it
they could still do lore-themed seasons
they could keep doing the weekly challenges i wouldnt mind, just please dont make them exclusive
deadlock ashe being exclusive makes me lose my mind
I feel like a lot of the challenge skins will come back with the battlepasses
...oh nah
there would be a riot if they brought back old stuff for a battle pass
not a great move
just add them to the shop imo
yerr that too
wtf im shocked
symmetra's viskar skin is actually accurate to a T
now im trying to hunt for differences between the in game skin and the appearance in lore lol
i wonder if reaper always had those dual shotguns or not
in soldiers origin story he's using two guns in the background
omg lmao
im just thinking of how he reloads in canon
like he just throws them on the ground and pulls out new ones in ow because cool, but i imagine he has to actually reload in actual canon stuff
theres an interesting bit there too because cass says "you weren't given those guns to toss around like trash" to him so i wonder what that actually means
I was about to mention that
seems like there's an actual story behind his guns there
It's in reference to the fact that he throws his guns away and pulls out new ones
idk
i wouldnt be surprised if he carries like two sets of shotguns lmao
actually? lmfao what
wait so how does that work in lore then
does he actually just carry multiple shotguns everywhere
Pirates and gunslingers irl would often carry multiple guns so they wouldn't have to relaoad
im confused where the game logic ends and the real logic begins
They can, but he dosen't bother
his shotguns only carry 4 shells, so what does he do when he runs out of ammo
What does any hero do when they run out of ammo?
nah im talking like lore here lol
Me too
lots of the designs have ammo belts and spare shells/grenades on them
Hanzo style, whack them with a bow
I remember a line about him "replacing his weapons"
Replacing. Not reloading
hell reaper's blackwatch outfit had lots of spare shells and grenades
stairs. Reyes landed hard on the lower level as Sombra emerged from her stealth
mode.
“Clear the area next time,” Reyes said, replacing his weapons.
“Tranquilo. People like me are the reason people like you have a job.”```
replacing, as in reholstering
Huh
so he does just reload like a normal person
since just before this he pulls out his guns and jumps down the stairwell
i was about to say does this mf really just carry multiple shotguns at once
There is still the interaction with Cassidy
not on the player model
And while I don't think we seem him pull out new ones, he does thow his guns away at the end of Infiltration
how do you even holster shotguns that big
im just thinking like
how does this work
where
the only reason im questioning this so hard is because they actually bothered for tracer
https://vxtwitter.com/ClearTogether/status/1536859211002368001?s=20&t=AAHatrchBcg2cLet19k3Rg
Overwatch 1 Tracer putting her guns away
like they actually bothered to think of a way for tracer to get rid of her guns instead of them disappearing
same for genji and his shurikens
her OW2 design doesn't account for it
seems like they thought of that too lol
like they do think about these things sometimes but not always i guess
how? they're in her hands
they're holstered on her hip it looks like
i do like it when they pay attention to detail like this
makes it feel more immersive
you can see earlier in the shot that she's just holding them
that code of violence example just stood out to me because it mentioned holstering his guns specifically and i was like where tho
ig his actual lore design has holsters that just arent on the in game model
also yeah i guess her pulse pistols are hardlight now or something
https://vxtwitter.com/ClearTogether/status/1536859246679076865?s=20&t=AAHatrchBcg2cLet19k3Rg
(heres a less choppy version)
or whatever that is
prolly just flashy vfx
I think that's just her sending them back in time into her gauntlets
sometimes it feels like there's logic behind it and sometimes it doesn't
Or forward or whatever
Her reload animation is similar
maybe she just sends the pulse pistols back in time for storage
and pulls them out whenever
and her learning how to do this is character development because she doesnt need physical holsters anymore
reach of the century lmao
massive brain
i like to overthink this kinda stuff its fun
they did change up tracers gauntlets ever since blizzcon 2019
maybe she actually has room for the guns now
Is there a list of all hero redesigns seen so far for overwatch 2?
There’s a lot of debate over people liking or hating junks new design but I like it actually but I’m wondering if there’s a compilation somewhere
we've seen all of the hero redesigns in various trailers
I made a graphic with most of them, but I haven't updated it for recent reveals
i really wish they’d update that website
The website is down. I really hope we’ll have the updated biographies of the heroes up at some point, along with an official timeline of some sort, because a lot of people are confused about the lore and what happened when
bro the revelation of the last bastion happening before the null sector uprising just SMACKED me in the face when i first discovered it
Soldier: 76 and Junkrat look amazing
how old is soldier 76 in overwatch 2
we don't know his exact age, but he's in his late 50s
damn
junkrat took a shower
Junkrat and Roadhog do look cleaner. I guess being banished from Junkertown was a good thing for them
They look way better in Overwatch 2. It’s called character development
i disagree
I’m sure the two actually discovered soap and new clothes
Plus, all Junkrat really did was seem to brush his hair back, upgrade his riptire, and put on new goggles and pants
they look matured
junk esp
also hog’s new hook seems to have the same inner serrated edge that junk’s new tire does, which suggests junk made him new weapons
they gave junk rogaine lol
They don’t look that different. Just new clothes and look like they bathed. With Hog sporting a new haircut and both upgrading their weapon
his hairloss is probably from being in the radiated outback
once he leaves, his hair grows in properly
i mean thats not how that works
Yup. Plus, Junkrat still has the burning spots in his hair
hog looks like a biker now
he’s more punk looking, i dig the nose ring on his mask
They’ve had plenty of time to change their appearance after their plans blew up trying to get back into Junkertown
I think the last place we ever actually saw them was in the Reflections comic when they were at Luna Park
i hope hog and jq still have interactions
like for open queue
they probably will
Honestly. I’m betting on new interactions between Junkrat, Roadhog, and Junker Queen
and Wrecking Ball
confirmation that Efi isn't dead
orisa be like: efi it has been a year since my creation, i have unhappy meals now
Now I really wanna know what happens to Orisa's personality. It can't just be Efi getting rid of her nice personality to fight mercilessly Big Hero 6 style
numbani probably got fucked up in some way or the both of them realise the horror of the world
hello im back!
after a while
i guess doctor remember me
so wow we got lot lore coming up huh?
lots
you must be so happy, i remember you being the lover of this lore
im glad junkrat and roadhog have sorted their life out
as long as junkerqueen lives
no lore
there seems to be a crap ton of new interactions coming as well
dont know if anyone can see this cuz i have no image perms
including between tanks, cant wait for more hamster interactions
PvE is being released through the seasonal model
I'd be surprised if it cost extra
So it will be released at the start of one of the new seasons in 2023?
One of
Yes
There will be 6 seasons next year
So it will start sometime between season 3 and 8
ow2 has over 25,000 new voice lines so
THEY SAID THE NUMBER ON STREAM SO I CAN FINALLY SAY IT HERE
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Well. We’ve seen all redesigns for everyone except for Echo
Safest to say she might be left outta the loop when the game drops
we might not get one since her cinematic was her getting introduced into overwatch 2
But she could get a new look in later updates or something
cassidy gave her his medal i think and then said for her to do it instead of him,
so since she is the most recent in the story line (other then the cinematic trailer for ow 2) she prolly wont get a redesign
I mean, there’s plenty of time though. The story mode and other PvE won’t drop with the PvP after all
yes but echo will still be in the pvp and the beta and there is barley anyone really working on the game in the first place
50-ish people
so they dont have the time now to do another redesign in time
for the beta
but they also just might not have released it yet
its blizzard
Because echo is our most recent hero, she isn't getting a new design
well its said all 33 got a redesign, so
Where?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sB5zlHMsM7k
still the best cinematic btw
Thank you very much for your professional input
@opaque tundra
!!shitposting @worthy rose
@rapid ingot Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
this is a serious channel for discussing the lore
if you're not going to do that, please leave
Scary stuff
And someone actually questioned why not everyone can report shitposting
I think that situation answered that question clearly
So realistically
The first map we will get with hero teasers in it is going to be Portugal
Of these 6
one of the support heroes could be linked to the Portugal map
god we're gonna have to wait till beta 3 to see those portugal hero hints huh 
if that's when we see the Portugal map
we'll get to see Lucio's home
I kinda think Portugal might have something to do with Ana
because of the reveal trailer?
Just a theory, but seemed the devs subtly hinted at the maps they showed with heroes looking over them being connected
could have to do with mohawk guy but we're just shooting at the dark at this point
It’s just an assumption. It may be something personal to them either from the past or to be revealed in the story
Tracer in Kings Row (likely her past with the Uprising and Alive)
Soldier: 76 in Monte Carlo (possibly hunting down Talon)
Zenyatta in India Temple (I think that’s the map)
Winston in Toronto (reuniting with Sojourn and the rest of Overwatch)
Lúcio in Rio (Null Sector invasion)
Ana in Portugal (possibly hunting Talon)
portugal could have some sort of resistance movement against organisations like talon
cause as far as we know talon just seems to do whatever with little consequence
zenyatta is in another section of nepal btw
Well, it could still be a personal thing for him. There seem to be a few temples dedicated to the Shambali
ja
although i am a tad confused on genji calling the temple his home when zenyatta left it behind and met genji along his travels unless zenyatta decided to leave after taking in genji and genji was still content in hanging out with the other monks?
Or Genji could be referring to any Shambali temple as his home
Or even Zenyatta being his master as his “home”
wait when does Genji call the temple his home?
In the first trailer for Overwatch 2
errrr i was referring to the line genji says in nepal
"this is my home, as much as any other" iirc
then again i probably interpreted that line wrong
you mean the 2019 trailer?
Yes. I remember hearing Genji say that in the trailer as he approaches a meditating Zenyatta
At least I think he did. Been some time since watching that
Moira says that on Oasis
Genji does say "this is my home now" on Nepal Village
just nepal village specifically?
I think? it's been a while since I've heard it
but you can literally see his room on the map
if so that clears it up a lot for me
The room of genji when he was still living in the Nepal temple with the omnic monks.
Still, think the maps with heroes there has something to do with them personally
Which we will have to wait and see whenever we get the story mode
ya i knew about that room
genji has quite a lot of swords huh
Unless we get voice lines based on the maps
portugal voice lines could be a pretty big hint
the dev said that there's clues on the the Portugal map that relate to a new faction
and that new faction is connected to a future hero
Maybe. But doesn’t mean Ana is unrelated
She does seem to have been busy besides working with Jack
ana is still in egypt yeah?
did they say anything about jack recently?
we haven't seen Jack since Valkyrie
woew
We don’t know what Jack’s been up too




