#lore-discussion

1 messages · Page 637 of 1

warped garden
#

Stronheim mauga when

topaz ledge
#

like say he could take his hand of and pop a gun on it

cunning ledge
#

yeah something like that

#

the guns on the heavy assaults in the game are so big and unwieldy, i imagine it being some kind of thing along his arms that attaches instead of replacing

#

plus makes it more unique compared to some of the other enhancements

wary crow
worthy rose
#

No shit

#

But hopefully his gameplay will be different from other tanks

#

Can't wait to see

limpid agate
#

If anything, its incorrect

#

In all respects, story, gameplay, and physically

#

Orisa uses a Fusion Driver that is an attachment to her arm that replaces her hand, and gameplay wise it is a rapid fire projectile cannon.

#

Mauga uses a pair of held miniguns that are attached to what appears to be some kind of tank for its ammunition or energy, and gameplay wise it is a pair of rapid fire hitscan weapons.

west moat
#

firing those things must be so satisfying

topaz ledge
limpid agate
#

Yeah, closer to those perhaps

past copper
#

Actually, I think Orisa can remove her gun given this image

topaz ledge
#

probably

limpid agate
#

She can remove her gun

#

I didn't say she couldnt

#

I suggested the opposite

summer hollow
#

Wait mauga gonna be a hero ?

#

Playable one I mean

grand wedge
#

He was supposed to be, but we got Sigma instead

#

because the kit didn't fit Mauga

cerulean ice
#

most likely gonna be, considering that

#

and the bap sombra interaction implying that hes alive

worthy rose
#

which interaction?

cerulean ice
#

Baptiste: Sombra... how is he? Sombra: Eager to see you again. Be careful.

balmy imp
#

is it implied or stated that Sombra helped Baptiste escape Talon?

cerulean ice
#

no iirc

iron plume
#

We don't know that specifically but it's likely
Since they're still friends after he left and he rings her up to find Mercy at the end of his short story

karmic turret
#

i do hope we get mauga as a hero

#

he could play like the heavy in tf2

#

with a minigun

fleet holly
west moat
#

heavy but with a charge and deflect shield

topaz ledge
#

oh boi

#

as a tf2 lore specialist i would love that

warped garden
#

Someone say tf2?

topaz ledge
#

yes my friend

opaque scroll
#

!!shitposting

twilit nacelleBOT
#

Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

deft moss
#

this game has lore?

topaz ledge
peak escarp
#

yes it does have lore

#

if you'd like to learn, we can help you

#

if you don't, leave

topaz ledge
#

uh doc

#

why do some people not have fool behind them?

peak escarp
#

did you claim the alpha?

topaz ledge
#

nah

peak escarp
#

idk then

#

guess I'm just not a fool

topaz ledge
#

haha

#

you are too wise to be fooled

static linden
topaz ledge
#

uh

#

maybe?

#

but i doubt she knows what it is

#

shes what, a year old?

peak escarp
#

less than

static linden
#

an age doesnt devote to when u should educate urself

peak escarp
#

I would hope that 60 years in the future movements like BLM would be unnecessary since the world is a better place

#

but if Orisa knew about it, she would definitely support it

cosmic crest
#

If she knew about it and there was a reason to support it

#

But she dosen't. And there isn't

#

It's an egalitarian future. People don't really care about race

timid minnow
#

They are more concerned about Omnic rights

balmy imp
#

In Storm Rising, when they caught Maximilien and Mercy asked for an introduction.

#

Did Maximilien sell Doomfist out? I'm not sure about the timeline on when he was imprisoned, and what Maximilien's part in that might be

peak escarp
#

yes

balmy imp
#

so Akande knows that and Max is still on the council?

peak escarp
#

yep

balmy imp
#

thank you

scenic niche
past copper
peak escarp
#

Akande definitely knows Maximilien snitched on him

#

but like with Sombra, he's more useful as an ally than an enemy

balmy imp
#

is there anyone who can be considered completely loyal to Talon's cause yet? besides Widow and Sigma, everyone who seems to have a choice like Max, Moira, and Sombra seem ready to go against Talon as soon as it suits their needs

iron plume
#

There isn't really a "Talon's cause"

#

there's "Doomfist's cause" and the others either fall in line or as you said go along with it because it suits their needs

#

Though most of them seem to believe it in some form at least
Moira definitely wouldn't be against a massive war that lets her pump people full of her genetic juice

peak escarp
#

like Reyes says (thinks?) in Code of Violence:

#

people aren't loyal to Talon, they just have aligned objectives

balmy imp
#

okay

#

thx for the clarification guys

scenic niche
#

Whole point of talon is they're a bunch of people that have different ideals, but fall under "Conflict makes people stronger".

iron plume
#

They don't really fall under that though

#

They're all more than fine with conflict but for different reasons

scenic niche
#

True

coral raven
#

So why does talon fight alongside overwatch in game

worthy rose
#

that's just gameplay

#

example, torb eliminates brig
he wouldn't kill his own daughter

cunning ledge
worthy rose
#

@peak escarp Sorry for pinging you, but you know everything about lore. Haha, you have any idea when the printed versions of 'New Blood' will be out? I can't find any info on Dark Horse Comics' website.

grand wedge
#

They didn’t say anything yet

#

But maybe you can compare with when the printed version of London Calling was available last year

peak escarp
#

August 2

#

wait

#

wrong one

#

the New Blood hardcover hasn't been announced

worthy rose
peak escarp
#

I haven't found any listings for physical copies

worthy rose
scenic niche
worthy rose
#

Hahaha

#

I agree

#

Gameplay is not canon to lore, so echo cant duplicate the shimada's spirit dragons in lore but does so ingame

limpid agate
#

She replicates skills

#

We don't anything to suggest she can replicate forms or technology

past copper
#

Example: Echo is basically Taskmaster from Marvel

cerulean ice
#

we still dont know the extent of it as far as we know

#

but it has been said that her duplication is a big part to her lore

peak escarp
#

being adaptable is a big part of her lore

#

duplication is never mentioned

#

What she created was a multirole, adaptive robot that could be programmed to learn different functions: anything from medical support to construction:

cerulean ice
#

oops

cosmic crest
#

It's probably cannon

#

It's one of the most interesting things about her

#

It's what makes her so dangerous, and is likely the reason she was put into hibernation

limber gate
#

did doomfist dodge lightning in his origin story

#

cause in the animation I watched him dodge winston's tesla cannon

#

that would make him faster than lightning

limber gate
cerulean ice
#

we can see that she can manifest objects

#

with some kind of blue enrgy thats not hardlight

peak escarp
#

how do you know it's not hard light?

gilded grove
#

it 100% is

#

she usese hardlight to look like other heroes

#

echo can be made to do anything

#

if they were to rework her kit it might take a lot of time

#

she was a pilot in the first ow2 cinematic

cerulean ice
#

oh i just assumed it wasnt cause it didnt have the notable wall of hexagons

#

but ig the possibility is there

peak escarp
#

her face resembles hard light more than anything else

limber gate
#

but can someone answer my question?

#

cause doomfist literally dodged electricity

#

that would make him lightning+ in terms of speed

#

which is absurd

peak escarp
#

it's a cartoon

limber gate
#

so is most animated films

#

and they use proper speed scaling

#

I just find it ridiculous that doomfist can dodge lightning and somehow lost to someone with sound tech

#

lightning is so much faster than sound too

peak escarp
#

they dodge electric attacks in pokemon all the time

#

fictional lightning doesn't have to follow real world physics

limber gate
#

but winston's tesla cannon shoots electricity, does it not?

#

that's why it would be called a tesla cannon, no?

peak escarp
#

yes

#

my point stands

#

Doomfist dodged it because that animation was showing how powerful he seemed

#

in Hero of Numbani, he retreats against Lucio and Orisa because Lucio and Orisa are supposed to win

limber gate
#

so they nerfed him due to plot

peak escarp
#

yep

limber gate
#

I mean, we all knew it was coming

peak escarp
#

Plot Armor

limber gate
#

but looking at it now, it's just completely ridiculous from an analysis standpoint

peak escarp
#

and inverse plot armor, I guess

#

also a little bit of Rule of Cool

#

that's why we don't get any concrete numbers for power levels - they can be as weak or as strong as the plot needs them to be

cunning ledge
#

worth noting that winston's telsa cannon seems to work differently in the lore to the game, it charges up and releases a burst forwards instead of just being on or off

#

looks more like his new ability in ow2 sometimes

limpid agate
#

It works both ways.

#

It did the in game application in other material we have seen.

#

Most noteably Recall

worthy rose
#

If one team wasn't allowed to pick any character other than Talon members in pvp, then it just defeats the entire purpose of this game.

scenic niche
#

I mean

#

5 DPS and 1 Tank would be funny

worthy rose
#

Lool

iron plume
#

Talon's comp is 4-1-1
But either way yes that's not how they built it

#

They could have but they didn't

peak escarp
#

for PvE missions, it seems like the only requirement is (at least) one support

iron plume
#

yep

#

if we get Talon missions Moira's gonna be pulling double duty

peak escarp
#

unless we get another Talon-aligned support

iron plume
#

ye

peak escarp
#

at least Overwatch has Mercy, Baptiste and Brigitte to share the work

#

and Lucio, once he joins

iron plume
#

well OW's got a lot more heroes in general

worthy rose
#

What about Zen? I doubt he'd "join" but maybe assist

peak escarp
#

it looks like the main story will cross paths with Zen

#

so he'll probably team up with Overwatch for a few missions at least

#

which heroes are "free agents", aka not aligned to either Overwatch or Talon?

#

Ashe, Junkrat, Roadhog, Hanzo, WB,...

#

Orisa (so far)

#

Symmetra

#

Bastion, although we know it joins up with Overwatch in OW2

#

so there's not many

cosmic crest
#

For the better I'd say. It'd be lame if too many of the heroes were just roped into one group. I think of the hereos we currently suspect of joining Neo Overwatch plus its current members it has plenty.

worthy rose
#

You get it

#

Variety is the spice of life

peak escarp
#

I just hope they dont get forced onto one side or the other

worthy rose
#

ye

#

Zarya being OW is kinda weird still but New Blood made it believable enough

#

I haven't seen D.va chapter yet but that's kinda weird too yeah?

peak escarp
#

it made sense the way they did it

#

she's not really joining OW, she's just being loaned out

scenic niche
peak escarp
#

Talon doesn't have 2 tanks

past copper
#

Technically speaking, they will soon enough. Given Doomfist getting moved to Tank

#

But I guess that doesn’t count right now

peak escarp
#

ah, I forgot about that

#

also Mauga is a likely candidate for hero in OW2

past copper
#

True

#

Tanks: Doomfist Sigma
Damage: Reaper, Sombra, Widowmaker
Supports: Moira

#

Just need another Talon support and you’d have a perfect team

limber gate
normal apex
#

baptiste

past copper
#

Baptiste doesn’t really count anymore

past copper
limber gate
worthy rose
#

playable hero with the least amount of lore.. Hanzo, right?

cosmic crest
#

Wrecking Ball

normal apex
#

ball probably

peak escarp
#

yeah Ball has the least number of appearances

#

Hanzo has gone the longest without new lore

past copper
normal apex
past copper
iron plume
#

Let's leave the gameplay conversations elsewhere

west moat
cerulean ice
#

hes not interested in either and will stay neutral for the most part

#

and will (inevitably) cross paths with genji during the crisis cause plot

west moat
#

im interested in where wrecking ball goes

#

the only motivation towards any side he has is

#

being friends with winston

#

or acquaintances rather

#

im not sure if theyre confirmed friends

cerulean ice
#

they seem close enough for winston to remember his name

graceful crater
#

So is anyone else hoping Moria does her damage balm thing but they make it so she does a rasengan movement while making it because speaking of heir mechanics her spout things only put forth some mist stuff while making a ball you would need a outside so it doesn’t spill (like the balloon Naruto had to make one inside) and the actual gas stuff (the chakra or whatever) inside the outside bubble type thing

normal apex
#

ratio

twilit nacelleBOT
#

This channel is for serious discussion strictly related to the lore of Overwatch. Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

graceful crater
normal apex
#

no

cerulean ice
#

it doesnt

split rose
#

how tall is D. va's mech? i had some people say 97ft then 87ft then 10ft then 9'8 and then between 7-9ft tall, so which is it???

peak escarp
#

we don't have an official height for it

split rose
#

hmmm

normal apex
#

3 feet

split rose
#

let me ask this then would you say its taller than 8'6?

peak escarp
#

I have no idea

split rose
#

oof

#

thx anyway? 😭

peak escarp
#

I'm not good at guessing heights

split rose
#

is ok, hopefully some will answer it someday/time

#

also

split rose
limpid agate
limpid agate
#

If anything, Rein might be the same height

split rose
#

idk if she was just joking, if she was then my bad it is funny but if not then f u

limpid agate
#

This is a serious discussion channel

#

Not a place to shitpost bad jokes

split rose
#

👌

limpid agate
#

Toki's only lore appearances are in New Blood and Shooting Star

#

Shooting Star only has D.Va, who is also an unknown height

#

New Blood has...

split rose
#

so how tall is rein again?

limpid agate
#

!!newblood

twilit nacelleBOT
limpid agate
#

Rein is 7'4

severe pivot
#

is he?

limpid agate
#

Yes

split rose
#

oof 😦

limpid agate
#

The first 18 heroes all have confirmed heights

cerulean ice
#

yes its official

limpid agate
#

And Hammond is approximately Pikachu sized

severe pivot
#

maybe compare them, that could give you a rough estimate

peak escarp
#

all the launch heroes have reference documents, some of which include approximate heights

limpid agate
#

Here we have Zarya in comparison to the largest of the mechs, Beast.

#

Here is another comparison piece. Those forklifts exist on the map.

cerulean ice
#

zarya is 6'5

split rose
#

if i wanna add heights i do it like this-> 5'6+3'0=8'6 right? or am i dumb af

limpid agate
#

Yes

#

1 foot = 12 inches

split rose
#

ight cool

visual gust
#

It seems to be multi-purpose as well

#

Like teleporting matter and acting as furniture not just weapons

iron plume
#

well that might be the difference between "common" hard light and The Vishkar Special

cerulean ice
#

vishkar hardlight seems to be refined specifically for construction

worthy rose
peak escarp
#

1.95m/6'5"

limber gate
#

ah yes the infamous victory pose

worthy rose
#

lol

hexed osprey
worn island
# peak escarp

where do you find these, is there a document somewhere?

worn island
#

👍

worthy rose
#

Uh huh. Don't be rude to other members

sly night
#

i think it would be awesome if they made soldier lgbtq

#

imo

peak escarp
sly night
#

is he????

#

AWESOME1

peak escarp
#

he had a boyfriend named Vincent before the omnic crisis

sly night
#

this could be us

#

fr

peak escarp
#

but he's married to his work and hasn't had a relationship since

worthy rose
#

I hope they expand upon things like this

#

their past relationships and lifestyles before who we know them as now

peak escarp
#

we get more of it in novels/short stories than in comics, so we need more of those

fading oriole
#

Do you know what solider is actively doing doing currently. Is he still trying to take out overwatch or what.

peak escarp
#

he's going after Reaper and Talon for their part in destroying Overwatch

gilded grove
#

wait vincent is an ow member right?

#

i sware i saw someone who looked like him PES_Think

peak escarp
#

no, he wasn't an Overwatch member

gilded grove
#

L

#

jack seeking vengeance now

#

i want a bat soldier skin

topaz ledge
#

huh wouldn't that be better for reaper?

grand wedge
#

They both kinda want justice, but the limit between justice and revenge is kinda blurry. And how the goals justify the means too is questionable with them

worn island
#

So in code of violence, how exactly is sigma taken away? Is he just walked out? Is he that suggestible?

grand wedge
#

He is kinda oblivous of everything surrounding him

peak escarp
#

he doesn't even acknowledge them coming in

worn island
#

So how would he react to being actively engaged with in the form of being taken and put on a ship

#

Does he need to be like properly shoved on do they like put him in a trolley or smth

#

Or is he perfectly capable of acknowledging but just doesn't really care

peak escarp
#

it isn't mentioned how he gets put onto the dropship, so he must not have resisted

worn island
#

I feel like he was just like "oh we're doing this now? Ok"

grand wedge
#

Same feeling

#

I think they "fixed" him by putting some brain implant - as you can see on his default skin - so he isn't lost in his own mind anymore

#

And can conduct his experiments and Talon can use it for themselves

worthy rose
#

sigma sure is an interesting character

peak escarp
#

I'm curious to see if/how he is incorporated into the storyline of OW2

worthy rose
#

most likely just as a talon weapon

pine spindle
#

I didn't understand this can someone explain me please

gray finch
#

A lot of people found Moira weird until Sigmas crazy ass came to light

cunning ledge
#

this specific conversation has probably not actually happened though

pine spindle
#

I remember in game conversation thanks alot bro

balmy imp
#

is Lucio's father alive?

grand wedge
#

We don't know

balmy imp
#

aight ty

peak escarp
#

there's a few lines that mention Lucio's father, but it's unclear from those

#

some use past tense, some use present tense

lunar otter
#

Do we know how old Rein is in the animated short?

peak escarp
#

in the flashback parts of Honor and Glory?

#

it's during the omnic crisis, which started 30 years ago

#

so around 30 years old

#

we don't know how long into the crisis before Overwatch was formed

#

or how long the crisis lasted

lunar otter
#

Yes the Honor ant Glory animated short and thank you

dusk basin
#

Are there any Lucio comics If so can someone send a link

iron plume
#

There are not

dusk basin
#

Rip

#

Thanks though

iron plume
#

He's featured pretty prominently in Hero of Numbani, the orisa story
But that's a book and also paid

dusk basin
#

Ok thanks

cedar oracle
#

question: who got the best lore? (opinion)

peak escarp
#

best is pretty subjective... I really like Reaper's lore, and Ashe's

#

my favourite is Cassidy obviously, but I don't think it's the best

worthy rose
cosmic orbit
#

There isn’t much to bastions lore but what he does have is pretty solid

nocturne socket
#

hes a robot with PTSD

cerulean ice
#

its.. solid. but yh just dont like the idea of a robot having ptsd

#

as for my favorite, it would be symm

#

stone by stone was rlly good

#

id rlly like to see her character expand more

past copper
#

A robot with AI, PTSD, and treated as something greater than a weapon. A friend and hero. That’s Bastion in a nutshell

peak escarp
#

I don't know if it's PTSD

#

but it's definitely a trigger

past copper
#

It’s gotta be PTSD. I live next to a man who was in the Vietnam War and I’ve seen his reaction to fireworks on the 4th of July

peak escarp
#

but Bastion hasn't seen combat

#

it would have no trauma to develop that response to

#

it just has its programming

#

Baptiste is more likely to have PTSD

past copper
#

Well, we don’t know exactly what Bastion went through before waking up. But based on the memory he saw, the landscape was much different back then

peak escarp
#

Bastion was reading the memory of another unit

#

Bastion woke up in the forest still in its droppod

past copper
#

Well, like I said, the landscape was different. The surrounding areas looked like they were on fire as armies of robots flanked the German forces from all sides. Bastion might’ve seen or heard something before shutting down

#

Probably heard since he didn’t understand the sound he heard from the woodpecker, but knew it reminded him of something

#

He only really understood the reason why that sound triggered him after looking into a destroyed Bastion’s memory banks

peak escarp
#

maybe

#

I still hesitate to say a robot has PTSD

gilded grove
#

i cant unsee

#

what it looks like

peak escarp
digital forum
#

How much harm did Genji take when Hanzo sliced him

#

Like did he lose his legs or was there more

peak escarp
#

enough to nearly kill him

#

we don't know the specifics

digital forum
#

👍

compact cobalt
#

Do we know why Hanzo doesn’t go back to the blade now knowing his brother is still alive?

#

He put it down out of respect right, but he didn’t kill genji though

cosmic crest
#

He still tried to kill him and the only reason he survived was because Mercy saved him

#

The fact that he is alive now dosen't undo that

cunning ledge
#

Knowing genji is alive doesn't cancel out the consequences from thinking he'd killed him

#

He still tried to do it lol

karmic turret
#

theres still emotional scarring due to the fact he was able to get him on the brink of death

nocturne tartan
#

Here’s a question when genji got murdered and his body was turned into a cyborg, did he retain his important reproductive bits??

peak escarp
#

probably

#

why?

worthy rose
#

uhh

hazy ravine
#

Asking the important questions

peak escarp
white cobalt
upper pilot
#

so is it a court session around when overwatchs been disbanded?

iron plume
#

sounds like it

peak escarp
#

yeah, part of the UN inquiry

worthy rose
#

I loved the origin story it’s been too long

limpid agate
#

Hell. It's about damn time.

limpid agate
#

Vivian 'Soujourn' CHase

#

Nice to see her finally. Its not really much new stuff to talk about, but we've been waiting two and a half years for this

peak escarp
#

I feel validated

#

I was right about her name

worthy rose
#

i love her name

limpid agate
#

About the Chase surname, yeah

#

Vivian was wholly unpredictable though. I don't think anything existed to tease that yet.

peak escarp
#

nope

#

it's a good name though

limpid agate
#

This is an interesting shot here. It seems to be Sojourn collecting her own armory, as opposed to it being repossessed by the government like many other Overwatch assetts

cosmic crest
#

That's quite the collection

peak escarp
#

maybe they are her personal belongings? a bit weird to own heavy weaponry like that though

iron plume
#

imagine them taking her legs

#

Hm
We don't actually know what happened to other OW agents' personal weapons though

#

The pulse rifle was Soldiers but he was presumed dead
And no one "owned" the biotic rifle

cosmic crest
#

They shouldn't belong to them really

iron plume
#

Mercy clearly kept her staff

peak escarp
#

I appreciate the attention to detail - Sojourn was a member of the Canadian Special Forces (Canada's actual anti-terrorism unit) and wears the appropriate white winter CADPAT camo

cosmic crest
#

Tracer lost her pulse pistols until Winston sent her new ones in London Calling

peak escarp
iron plume
#

right
especially so then

peak escarp
iron plume
#

forgot about the pistols however

peak escarp
#

Guerra has confirmed that similar items were taken from Watchpoint: Grand Mesa, including a prototype for a heavy pulse rifle.

limpid agate
#

It looks like she was cybernetic during the Omnic Crisis too

#

Her arms here have the same joints

#

At the very minimum, her arms were cybernetic

peak escarp
#

hopefully her written bio will shed more light on that

limpid agate
#

Previously we knew her robot arms stretched back ~20 years

#

This goes further

#

Her eyes too

#

Her natural eye colour seems to be brown

#

In that shot from 30 years ago, she has blue eyes, like these digital ones

#

Also, of the weapons here, these seem to be the only relevant ones

#

The small things are insider her arm

#

THe big gun is her railgun

#

This one is blue instead of red. There is likely going to be a skin with this gun, and the outfit on the left

#

This may also become a skin at some point too. The gun will probably be thickened, but her primary weapon does have that same split that is at the front of this assault rifle, and the rest of her silhouette seems to match (waist up)

peak escarp
#

I'd love to see that as a skin

limpid agate
#

SHe has no tan beret or helmet though

#

Maybe they just used the word Canadian Special Forces and didn't mean the literal CANSOFCOM

peak escarp
#

or there are legal rights involving the design?

limpid agate
#

Could be

#

Both of the JTF2 operators in Siege wear toques instead of tan too

#

For reference

#

Either way

#

Since this origin short dropped well before Blizzard time

#

We will likely get more news in half an hour

#

Hopefully the full bio

#

This schedule matches other early hero reveals in the past, like Hammond

#

Also notable is the lack of any OW2 Branding within the video itself

#

I do wonder whats up with that

peak escarp
#

didn't they drop the 2 from the logo?

#

maybe they're saving that branding for when the PvE releases

limpid agate
peak escarp
#

maybe tomorrow

#

they have posted something every thursday since the beta was announced

restive flower
#

That was one of the worst origin stories they've ever done.

peak escarp
#

why?

restive flower
#

Learned very little about the character and the personality seems generic and boring.

#

It felt like filler.

peak escarp
#

we barely learned anything about Echo from her origin story

restive flower
#

Wdym befofe Echo's origin story we just assumed she was just a robot

#

Then it was revealed she's the "echo" of Mina Liao who was already a preestablished character

peak escarp
#

we learned a lot about Dr. Mina Liao

restive flower
#

And we were already invested in Echo from Reunion

peak escarp
#

but we didn't learn much about Echo herself

#

the details came from her written bio

restive flower
#

Echo is the echo of Liao

peak escarp
#

what does that even mean?

restive flower
#

Mina's personality is imprinted into Echo's

peak escarp
#

the origin trailer doesn't tell us that

#

her bio does

restive flower
#

"My echo."

peak escarp
#

the origin trailer doesn't tell us that "my echo" means Dr. Liao's personality is imprinted on Echo

restive flower
#

We don't have to be spoonfed everything. I like it when creators trust the audience or reader to be intelligent enough to figure stuff out.

peak escarp
#

then why is it a problem that Sojourn's origin doesn't tell us much?

restive flower
#

Because there's nothing to go off of.

peak escarp
#

it gave us her personality

restive flower
#

And I found that personality to be boring and generic.

opaque tundra
#

This is only the origin story. Wait for the bio to come out and the beta to form your full opinion

#

My first impression: interesting, we'll see what happens next

restive flower
#

My opinion was about the origin story.

limpid agate
#

It is still very lacking, Laxus is right

#

Previous origin stories of known characters like Ana and Brig still explored their motivations for becoming fighters in the present, explained unknown major details, or developed them beyond their last appearance.

#

And Echo's origin story was less of an Echo story, and more of one that finally explained everything about Liao 4 years later.

#

This one didnt really tell us much of anything new

#

Her first name being Vivian and her history during the crisis are really the only new details, and neither of which are major considering we already had speculation of her surname Chase and we knew about her being a long time member of Overwatch for 2 decades

craggy spruce
#

Do you guys remember the old overwatch photo that was in Ana's origin video iirc

#

From soujorn origin story does that mean the lady on the far right was her?

cosmic crest
#

We already knew that was her

limpid agate
#

Yes, that's her. We've known that for years though.

sly kettle
#

Wait did y’all know Sojourn was a girl???

#

Please tell me y’all just finding that out like me

worthy rose
#

?

#

Ye thought it was common knowledge

sly kettle
#

Was it really?

#

Damn

peak escarp
#

how could you think this

#

wasn't a girl

sly kettle
#

It was something about the OW2 trailer… the story one that came a long time ago

#

When they showed her, I thought it was a guy for some reason

#

But yes that picture looks like a girl lol

cunning ledge
#

there was this picture with two unknown characters on the far sides, one is now known to be sojourn and the other is some unknown dude, maybe you confused them in your head?

edgy relic
sly kettle
#

yeahh

worthy rose
#

I could see someone mistaking her for a guy

peak escarp
#

really?

edgy relic
#

(BTVA hasn't added Sojourn to Overwatch yet, even though she appears in Storm Rising.)

cunning ledge
edgy relic
#

What credits? I looked at the in-game credits, and the voice actors are nowhere to be seen.

#

And I hate it.

cunning ledge
#

huh

#

i do remember seeing that they kept the credits from past years in it too

edgy relic
#

All of the confirmations come from social media. VA's websites or Twitter responses from individuals at Blizzard.

#

Couldn't be bothered to include actual, authoritative voice credits in game.

cunning ledge
#

it's such a strange thing to not include out of all the people credited that i almost feel like it must be on purpose

edgy relic
#

I think someone at Blizzard, whoever has control over the in-game credits, just doesn't care?

#

But I don't know.

#

There are still characters in various gameplay or animated shorts contexts that we don't know who voiced them.

cunning ledge
#

just heroes though

#

maybe it's wrong

edgy relic
#

I'll list them: Omnic waiter (either Retribution or on Oasis), Fio (the pilot from Retribution), Talon Soldiers, the unnamed Omnic at the end of Storm Rising, Brian (the older brother in the cinematic trailer), and Efi (in Orisa's origin story). https://overwatch.fandom.com/wiki/Voice_actor

#

The voice director, Andrea Toyias, has answered some credit questions on Twitter. Michael Chu answered some others.

#

And the rest were all from personal websites or social media bios of the VAs themselves.

#

(BTVA is still missing a lot, though. Currently, I think the Overwatch wiki "Voice actor" article is the most complete. IMDb is also fairly complete, except for the missing ones I listed.)

peak escarp
edgy relic
#

And I bet it's just a list of names without connections to characters. (Which is another pet peeve of mine.)

peak escarp
#

it is just a list of names

edgy relic
#

It also sucks you can't fast forward or rewind the credits. Them's Fightin' Herds lets you do that (to make searching for Indiegogo backer names easier).

#

So you have to sit through the whole thing and it takes forever.

#

Are they listed in 2017?

peak escarp
#

I got an inactivity warning trying to find them

edgy relic
#

Inactivity? On the main menu not queueing for any game?

peak escarp
#

well, I didn't read what the popup said

edgy relic
#

I don't suggest watching the credits while you're queuing for a game, or actually in a game.

peak escarp
#

obviously

edgy relic
#

Well, that's how you avoid an inactivity warning.

peak escarp
#

I was just on the title screen

#

but I know they're in the credits somewhere because others have mentioned them

#
Overwatch Forums

In the latest patch, the Overwatch Game Client has updated their credits from the 2017 version. There are of course several new voice actors, but many of which are not pinned to a specific character known to exist in Overwatch. Some of which we may have already heard, but some I feel may very well be new voices that we can speculate on. Here is ...

#

except they guessed wrong on Echo's VA

#

she's had three of them and Erika Lindbeck isn't one of them

edgy relic
#

I guess I wasn't looking hard enough when I attempted to watch the credits.

#

And based on what you said, I guess the majority of the VAs are in 2017, and then as new characters get added over the years, their VAs appear in the corresponding years.

#

I wonder if someone were to compare names in the credits with known credits on the wiki or IMDb, and then see if there are any voice actor names in the credits that we don't know who they voiced, if process of elimination could be used to guess at which NPCs they voiced? Chances are, they wouldn't even bother to list and voice actors if they don't voice a playable hero.

peak escarp
#

NPCs are listed

#

Maximilien, Antonio, Luna, Efi

edgy relic
#

But if Travis Willingham, Siho Ellsmore, or Stephane Cornicard are listed, then there's a chance there are other NPC VAs listed.

peak escarp
#

Efi's voice is only heard in Orisa's origin trailer

edgy relic
#

Antonio is indeed Eduardo Costa? Like, the credits actually list that name with that character, connected? Not just the VA name?

#

And who's Luna?

peak escarp
#

no, it just lists the name - the community suspects he's the voice of Antonio, based on similarities in their voices

edgy relic
#

The only Luna I see is Circe Luna, the Latin American Spanish voice of Mercy.

peak escarp
#

Luna was the omnic in the attacker's spawn of Paris

edgy relic
#

Oh right.

peak escarp
edgy relic
#

Who voices Luna?

peak escarp
#

best guess is Tatiana Matre

edgy relic
#

In the face of no conflicting information, I'd go with that.

#

And Matthew Waterson as the triplets in Reunion.

peak escarp
#

Echo's three VAs are Lauren Tom, Hojo Shin and Jeannie Bolet

#

credits from Reunion

#

credits from Zero Hour

worthy rose
#

BRUH

#

i knewwwwwwwww it

#

i feel so validated

peak escarp
#

Zhang Yu is Elise Zhang (Mei)
Matilda Sanborgh is Matilda Smedius (Brigitte)

worthy rose
#

bruhh

#

that "hello winston" in zero hour was different from the "monkey" in reunion

#

i fuckin knew it

peak escarp
#

yep

worthy rose
#

i prefer her OG one

peak escarp
#

Lauren Tom was in Reunion
Hojo Shin was in Zero Hour and the Rio demo

worthy rose
#

the one in Zero Hour sounds too high imo

edgy relic
# peak escarp

Where are those film poster-style credits? This is revelatory.

peak escarp
#

they made posters for the shorts

#

those are the two I have saved, there's probably others

edgy relic
#

If those are online somewhere, I can cite them.

#

That's brilliant, thank you.

limpid agate
#

I have Mei's on my computer as well

limber gate
#

were there any information on Genji's relationships with his blackwatch teammates prior to Rialto?

peak escarp
#

he seemed to get along well with Cassidy

#

enough to talk to him about his trauma

limber gate
#

what about reaper and moira?

peak escarp
#

they don't talk much

cerulean ice
#

he has interactions with moira but its pretty neutral

#

reaper, none

iron plume
#

I don't know about "neutral"

#

Considering she literally asks him why he's more talkative than the Genji she knew and he says it's because he actually likes the people better

cosmic crest
#

Genji and Cass probably bonded over their disdain for Moira

cerulean ice
compact ridge
#

Had a question, the girl in the soldier 76 short, is she supposed to be pharah?

cosmic crest
#

No

iron plume
#

The soldier short is set in present day
The girl is still a girl, and in mexico
(her name is Alexandra)

worthy rose
#

for some reason I'd always thought that was Sombra but the ages and time never made sense so I was always unsure of it

cerulean ice
#

yes cause it aint her lol

#

im pretty sure everyone thought the same thing

grand wedge
grand wedge
worthy rose
#

yeah the age and the timeframe never made sense

cunning ledge
#

it wouldn't make any sense for the character inspired by a hero to grow up to work with talon anyway

cloud robin
# compact ridge Had a question, the girl in the soldier 76 short, is she supposed to be pharah?

No. Ana (Pharah's mother) is about the age of s76. Also there is a picture with pharah as child and active overwatch (ana,s76,rein,torb,mercy), here Pharah is older as the girl, while s76 is younger than he is in the animation.

There is this rumor of sombra being that girl (Alexandra), but that doesnt work in timeline either.

I wonder if there is a los muertos character, that appears in both, the animated short and sombra's story. Never though to search something like that.

worthy rose
#

Zarya did have a conversation with Alexandra about Sombra in a comic

#

And Alexandra told her where Sombra is

tiny trout
#

radom lore statement:
we all know why Mercy helped revive Genji 😏

peak escarp
tiny trout
#

exactly

compact ridge
#

Anybody know how they found genji?

#

I get that they were trying to recruit warriors but why not just take hanzo or others from the shimada clan instead

iron plume
#

They were looking to shut the Shimada clan down

limber gate
#

guess they picked him off the streets and were like "oh he looks about as good as any"

iron plume
#

and were monitoring their activity, presumably closely enough that they could grab Genji in time

#

there's also a theory that Genji had been their informant in the first place but it's not supported

limber gate
#

either that or they saw him getting chucked out of the streets after dueling hanzo

peak escarp
#

Overwatch probably had moles among the Shimada clan

iron plume
#

yep
and they weren't looking for warriors

cosmic crest
#

I believe Overwatch must of been in the area at the time of Genji's attempted murder. Given the injuries he had sustained, he should of been dead within minutes if he didn't get immediate medical attention.

#

His injuries were also incredibly brutal, a sign Hanzo was enraged during their fight. I believe discovering that Genji was a mole for Overwatch could have been what set him off and convinced him to commit the act.

peak escarp
#

Hanzo seems like he has anger issues - it's probably not hard to set him off

cosmic crest
#

Even still, I would think it'd take a lot to convince him to kill his brother considering how he immediately regretted it afterwards

limber gate
#

that was always what I asked

#

was Genji that bad?

#

I know he didn't live up to standards but jeez

peak escarp
#

he was a slacker who didn't want any part of the family business

#

for someone like Hanzo, who is all about tradition and honor, that must have been infuriating

cosmic crest
#

Genji was chill and probably had a stronger moral compass

#

The "family business" here was illegal stuff. Drug dealing, arms dealing etc.

compact ridge
#

So basically they just picked him up and torb said, "welp this looks like a potential cyborg to me"

peak escarp
#

they saved his life and said "you look like a valuable asset in our fight against the Shimada clan, why dont you help us? We'll give you a cyborg body if you do."

#

and Genji said yes

#

I don't think Torb was involved

limber gate
peak escarp
#

they saved his life, let him recover, then asked

limber gate
#

so it's more like "hey I know you're already half cyborg cause you have like 5 missing body parts but do you wanna be a cyborg anyways and fight your brother"

compact ridge
peak escarp
#

his limbs might have just been replaced as part of the cyberization process

compact ridge
#

So according to the lore they did ask him?

peak escarp
#

yes

compact ridge
#

From where comic?

peak escarp
#

from his bio

#

and from dialogue in Retribution

#

"Overwatch offered to rebuild his body in exchange for his help."

limber gate
#

so, he became a tool

peak escarp
#

pretty much

#

he was Blackwatch's attack dogninja

limpid agate
#

Sojourn novel is confirmed to drop this year.

worthy rose
#

we see a fair amount of new looks in Sojourn's gameplay trailer, i wonder if there's meaning behind some of them
like why sigma is in full white now when he's supposedly a talon weapon? and hammond has similar changes
zen, moira, ashe and bob were also shown

#

echo was shown but i doubt she'd get a new look, being the most recent new hero

peak escarp
#

as are the OW2 Talon troopers

worthy rose
#

Ooh okay

peak escarp
worthy rose
#

I've always thought the talon troopers looked like the heroes we know of and share similar abilities and traits

#

from a gameplay point, anyway

peak escarp
#

some of them basically are

#

Widowmaker is a Talon Sniper
Baptiste was similar to a Trooper

#

Mauga is a Heavy Assault

worthy rose
#

the assassin shares similar ability to tracer's blink

cosmic crest
#

Could be similar tech

past copper
#

Honestly, given the looks that were shown, I think it’s safe to say they aren’t showing off story looks only anymore. They’re gonna show all the new looks

#

And gotta say, they all looking very refreshing

#

Though, still think that while is was wrong about Brig not getting a change, I still stand by the idea Echo will not get a new look

#

She’s still pretty new and I don’t think there is much you can change about her look aside from the color scheme

cosmic crest
#

Brig has a new look

karmic turret
#

giving echo a new look would be useless

cosmic crest
#

Why?

iron plume
#

About as 'useless' as anyone else

cosmic crest
#

She’s been out for 2 years

#

She’s been an established character longer still

iron plume
#

I could definitely see things to change if they wanted to, just look at her concept art

cosmic crest
#

It would be annoyingly inconsistent if she was the only one to not get one

#

It doesn’t have to be a massive change either

past copper
#

That’s why I said the only possible look she could get is a new color scheme. Like that of Pharah

iron plume
#

Again I don't see why

#

There's plenty of space they can add or tweak details

cosmic crest
#

Pharah's new look is more than just a recolour

#

There are subtle improvements to her amrour, and her visor is see through now

edgy relic
limpid agate
#

Of course they only did it twice

#

There's only two novels

edgy relic
#

Oh, for some reason I thought there were more.

peak escarp
#

it's likely they'll get her to read the audiobook

limber gate
#

has there been any information on what Ashe's parents think of her starting a gang?

peak escarp
#

Ashe's father didn't seem very impressed

#

Her mother’s eyes narrowed. “How could you, Elizabeth? Stealing from your own family?”

#

her mother too

limber gate
#

and how did ashe respond?

#

she just shrugged it off?

peak escarp
#

Ashe stopped fighting as the deputies dragged her across the lawn toward their vehicles. “I hope you remember this,” she called back to her parents, letting all the bitterness she felt leech into her voice. “Because I know I won’t forget.”

#

the scene ends with her being arrested, but she disowns them

#

for context, her parents said they would disown her when she turned 18, so Ashe took the initiative before that and started stealing from her family's company

#

her parents later tell her that it was an empty threat, but by then the damage had been done

peak escarp
#

her parents were horrible

#

if I was in her situation, I'd rob them too

limber gate
#

kinda left her for dead or what?

#

dropped her in school and just didn't care?

peak escarp
#

left her with Bob

limber gate
#

and bob wasn't good at raising children?

peak escarp
#

while they were travelling around the world for work

#

Bob was fine

#

but he wasn't Ashe's parents

limber gate
#

but Ashe didn't feel the love

#

so she kinda went rogue

#

and did things for attention?

peak escarp
#

Bob loves Ashe as much as a mute robot butler can love a person

#

but yeah

#

she wanted recognition from her parents

limber gate
#

classic

north pond
#

what do yall think about sojourn's "lore"

peak escarp
#

what's with the quotes?

#

Sojourn's lore is good

north pond
#

canadian soldier does pewpew then she joined overwatch

peak escarp
#

and?

#

you can reduce any hero's lore to something simple like that

north pond
#

i mean

#

eh

#

idk how you'd consider that "good lore"

peak escarp
#

there's more to it than "Canadian soldier goes pew pew then joins Overwatch"

#

we haven't gotten her bio yet

north pond
#

well true

peak escarp
#

and there's a whole novel about her coming later this year

north pond
#

oh yeah

#

the books

#

i forgor abt those

peak escarp
#

so you can't dismiss her entire lore because her origin trailer was boring or whatever

#

Sigma's origin trailer was abstract and didn't tell us any actual information, but people love it because it's weird

north pond
#

yeah i like it

worthy rose
#

i was just underwhelmed

#

but knowing the novel is coming makes me feel much better

peak escarp
#

people loved Sigma's origin

#

not Sojourn's

#

I will always love Nesskain's art

white cobalt
#

Didn't nesskain was dropped from Blizz?

peak escarp
#

no? why would he be?

white cobalt
#

I remember some lead art and others going out from Blizz.

#

Thought was nesskain

peak escarp
#

nope

#

Renaud Galand and Arnold Tsang both bailed though

still stratus
#

nice

worn island
#

So I saw a video that said sojourns cybernetics were originally necessary and eventually it became a choice to add more and more to make herself the best fighter she could be

#

That true?

grand wedge
#

Yes

opaque tundra
#

Sojourn has Orisa's dog. Nice

#

I can't remember what article it was but there was a Jeff Kaplan interview sometime after 2019 or 2021 blizzcon but he mentioned that a hero has a dog. I'm happy we finally get to see it. I guessed it would be Pharah's because they seem like a dog person lol

karmic turret
#

so far we know sojourn fought along side ow then joined in as a captain as seen in storm rising

#

then we also know she was a part of the UN's Shutdown of OW

#

The only things we don't know which are important is the cybernetics and how she got them

karmic turret
#

Ah makes total sense

peak escarp
#

she needed some cybernetics as a child, then kept volunteering for more so she could be a better soldier

karmic turret
#

She essentially wants to be the most advanced human she can be

peak escarp
#

she has a much more positive outlook on her cybernetics, compared to Genji or Cassidy

karmic turret
#

and since she had it since childhood she became more accustomed to the cybernetics

peak escarp
#

still waiting on that "story for another time", Blizzard

cosmic crest
#

An advocate for transhumanism it would seem

karmic turret
#

because let's be honest, if you had cybernetics as a kid

#

You'd wanna advance upon it

peak escarp
#

in for a penny...

cosmic crest
#

I feel she and Zarya might struggle to get along

worthy rose
#

Idr him saying much

#

Wasn't it because he failed at smth?

peak escarp
#

he does have an interaction with Genji

#

we dont know why Cassidy lost his arm

#

but he seems neutral about it

worthy rose
#

ye sounds about right

#

huh I thought he was more, like

#

not bitter but

#

doesn't want to think about it type of thing

limpid agate
#

He was in Retribution

static linden
peak escarp
#

no

static linden
#

oh

#

its cause in a trailer/cinematic ashe says sometihng about ripping his other arm off like bob did before

peak escarp
#

she threatened to have him rip off McCree's other arm

static linden
#

oh

peak escarp
#

she didnt say anything about ripping off the first one

#

why would you threaten to remove an arm that's already missing?

iron plume
#

The people who say it's bob aren't saying she threatened to rip off the missing one
They read "I'll get bob to rip off your other arm" as "I had him rip off your first and now I'll do the same with the second"

#

We know it's not the case but it's a sensible reading of an unclear phrase

peak escarp
#

that's what I mean

#

Ashe threatened to rip off the other one because why would she threaten to rip off the missing one

#

she wouldn't

iron plume
worthy rose
#

Yeah I didn't assume that Bob ripped off Cole's first arm.

#

Cause how should I know if he actually did it or not?

limpid agate
#

He didnt

stiff pagoda
limpid agate
#

He lost his arm in the past 6 years

#

Between him leaving Overwatch, and the present day of Overwatch 1

stiff pagoda
#

maybe against new omnics?

limpid agate
#

What do you mean by that

stiff pagoda
#

werent there omnics OW fought

#

so maybe there?

#

at like the start of blackwatch

#

end actually

#

cassidy had his arm while in blackwatch

#

i forgot

limpid agate
#

The Omnic Crisis was 30 years ago

#

Cassidy didnt fight in that

#

And he had his arm after the King's Row Uprising 7 years ago

stiff pagoda
#

Omnics

stiff pagoda
#

So maybe there were Omnics

#

After

#

Kings row

#

After

limpid agate
#

Null Sector?

#

No

stiff pagoda
#

Overwatch fell

iron plume
#

Yes
He still had his arm after that
Which means he didn't lose it during

limpid agate
#

They are framing it as if Overwatch 2 is Null Sector's big return after an 8 year absence

#

So its not that

cosmic crest
#

Mercy probably dosen't aprove of her use of necrotic ammo. If Ana was only using biotic ammo to heal people Mercy wouldn't really have a reason to disaprove of it.

The biotic rifle was probably canned in the first place because Mercy knew it could easily be repurposed to use necrotic ammo

iron plume
#

Ana’s also not the one who made the gun/bullets

#

It was made for Overwatch agents but shelved, then Ana stole it from a base much later, after the fall

limber gate
#

same with the soldier rifle

iron plume
#

Naturally
But I haven't seen anyone claiming Soldier made it

past copper
#

Look at this. Apparently, we get a slight look at another character redesign

#

Hog sporting a leather jacket and new hook

grand wedge
#

And a mohawk

opaque scroll
#

that is awesome

limpid agate
#

His design looks a lot more like a biker design

#

Compared to his current one

past copper
#

I don’t see a mohawk. I don’t think we can see his head enough to say that

#

Though, I thought I saw tusks on what looked like bottom half of his mask

#

Also, yea. Looks more like a biker now. Even has some new colors to his gun and chain

#

You know what would be color? Making the lenses in his mask more transparent like they did with Pharah’s visor

#

It would match his artwork better

cunning ledge
#

i don't really want them to show his face but some kind of effect on the eyes could be cool

quiet vine
#

Here's the upper view of the new Hog, you can see his Mohawk

#

... realising I cant post images

#

anyone with image perms I can dm this to for you to paste?

cunning ledge
#

looks pretty cool

#

i like the design on the shotgun holster too

quiet vine
#

you can see his mohawk and new jacket

cunning ledge
#

his shoulder thing now looks like part of a bike chain with spikes on it?

quiet vine
#

yea it used to be a tire like in the image above

limpid agate
#

Its definitely a mohawk fromt he looks of it

#

And a full jacket rather than just a saddlebag vest

past copper
#

Damn. Hog actually got the drip

#

If he looks like this, then I can’t wait to see what my main looks like. Junkrat

#

Though, a mohawk. Kinda looking a little more boar than pig now. Wonder if he does have tusks on his mask after all

topaz ledge
#

roadboar

past copper
#

I can’t wait to see the rest. We’ve just about seen all heroes new looks now

grand wedge
#

We didn't see Ana, Dva, Doomfist, Echo, Orisa, Junkrat... and Symmetra? We Saw 76 new profile pic but not the full redesign, and Zarya on the comic.

candid lion
past copper
#

Well, it might. But as I had also said earlier, it be cool if his lenses were transparent and actually showed his eyes

opaque scroll
#

I really like this new design

opaque scroll
grand wedge
#

Not guaranted indeed, but her hairstyle and outfist do look like a redesign. You can rule her out if you want, it's legit

past copper
#

This is her new look. Otherwise, it was pointless in using it if she was the only one among Cassidy, Fareeha, and Baptiste to not have her new look

quiet vine
#

Ive always wondered, is Roadhog a literal pig man? Is his "WANTED" spray canon?

peak escarp
#

no

#

that's an artist's rendering

#

Mako is a human

worthy rose
#

^

limpid agate
worthy rose
#

He was originally a pig or smtg tho

#

I thiiiink?

limpid agate
#

The original design was a mutant

#

But they shifted away from that

worthy rose
#

Idr if he was a Project Titan thing

limpid agate
#

Yes

#

He was

worthy rose
#

Or I'm talking out my A- oh cool

#

Off the top of my head Tracer, Reaper, and Mercy had explicit Titan stuff ywah?

limpid agate
worthy rose
#

Or was it all of the OG cast

#

Ewww I prefer his current look

#

It's not much different but

limpid agate
#

Tracer, Reaper, Widow, Rein, Genji/Hazno were based on classes

worthy rose
#

interesting

limpid agate
#

Roadhog, Pharah, and Torbjorn are based on existing assets presumably

worthy rose
#

Ig Soldier was more of an OW itself byproduct

limpid agate
#

Soldier is based on Chris Metzen's OC

worthy rose
#

So cool

limpid agate
#

Cassidy is based on a Starcraft character

worthy rose
#

He is? Huh hadn't heard that

limpid agate
#

Here is Chris Metzen's Soldier 76

worthy rose
#

Eugh

limpid agate
#

Here is the Starcraft design

worthy rose
#

Ooh good shit there

worthy rose
#

Could def work

#

Metzen 76

peak escarp
#

I'd love that as a skin

sacred pine
#

looks like normal casidy just more ruggid

fathom sluice
#

@quick oracle ||The Leader of Null Sector||

limber gate
#

Soujorn said "max is ready to take off" in storm rising implying that he was already on the helicopter but when the cutscene comes he's still running to it?

#

does it take that long for him to run to the copter?

#

that's what I found not making sense about the scene

fathom sluice
#

That phrase means "to flee", as well

past copper
#

Remember, he was forced to run on foot after his car was taken out

manic hound
#

Bro I accidentally sent a random emoji. That’s not shitposting

#

Sorry though

limpid agate
#

Then please just delete it.

fading oriole
#

Do you guys know if sigma know what talon is doing to him or if he is unaware and just manipulating him

limpid agate
#

He isn't aware that he is being used by the villains.

#

Or rather

#

By a terrorist organization

fading oriole
#

Ok sick

#

And who has the least lore on them

limpid agate
#

Sigma

fading oriole
#

Like who do we know the least about

limpid agate
#

Sigma.

#

Zen is the other argument, but its Sigma.

#

We also know little about Hammond as well.

fading oriole
#

Ok nice

limpid agate
#

But we know more than we do about Sigma

#

Part of the problem is that his own origin story was misleading

fading oriole
#

What do you mean

limpid agate
#

When his origin story first released, it presented the idea that he was more aware of his state and that he was harnessing the violence of gravity.

#

But his in game personality is mostly innocent and unaware of that

#

Even in combat

#

And that personality was also pretty much absent from his gameplay trailer too

fading oriole
#

Yeah I know what you mean his voice lines are very innocent and in the trailer it looked as though he wanted destruction

foggy furnace
# peak escarp

Soooo. Kinda like plastic surgery but make it futuristic lol

peak escarp
#

kinda

#

sure cybernetics are great to replace missing or injured limbs, but they're also an upgrade to healthy limbs for people with the money

worn island
#

So like the origin story is in the future

cerulean ice
#

that wouldnt make sense

peak escarp
#

Sigma's origin trailer was very abstract because of the limited time they had to produce it

#

Nesskain had 6 weeks to do 4 illustrations

digital forum
#

What stopped Genji from having cybernetics like Soujourn's?

peak escarp
worn island
#

I think their talking about the slide boost and arm turning into a gun type stuff and why genji doesn't have stuff like that

peak escarp
#

because Genji's body was built to make him function like a human

#

not to make him more of a weapon

limpid agate
#

His cybernetics compliment his skill set

#

His arm dispenses shurikens

#

Sojourns is another gun

#

Doomfists allows him to use the Doomfist

#

Symmetras lets her use her glove and complements her hard light bending (presumably)

#

Torbjorn uses his in conjunction with his forge

#

The only heroes who don't really use complementary cybernetic are the ones with unwanted cybernetics thanks to amputations

#

Cassidy and Junkrat

#

Junkrat probably blew his limbs off

#

And Cassidy... Doesn't really use his arm too much

vocal tinsel
#

If Widow was hired to kill Cassidy what's the likelihood of her success

quiet vine
#

both of them are pretty skilled in combat and knowing of their surroundings - its hard to judge

#

I'm very much biased to Cassidy, and we've seen more of his combat than what we've seen of Widow's

cerulean ice
#

depends on the environment

#

im leaning more on widow since she has access to mobility

past copper
#

Cassidy knows how people, especially criminals, think. Having his own experience being one himself and being trained by Blackwatch will do that

#

I’m more inclined to believe Cassidy would have the advantage over her given his own experience since his younger years and time in Overwatch.