#lore-discussion

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peak escarp
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a lot of the redesigns got beards

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Cassidy, Hanzo, Reinhardt, Soldier...

past copper
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Hanzo always had a beard. But much like Cassidy, his grew out

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It also looks like Hanzo has more graying in his hair now, really showing his age in the new game

worthy rose
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I hope they soon add them to the website so you can direct compare with the same pose

past copper
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They probably are now, because the new looks part of the site is acting up

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Don’t know if it’s just me or not having that issue

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Nope. It’s the site in general for Overwatch 2. They must be updating a few things as we speak.

restive quail
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Soldier also has a beard

worthy rose
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Almost all the men in OW2 have beards huh

limpid agate
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In Overwatch 1:

  • Baptiste, Cassidy, Hanzo, Lucio, Reinhardt, Torbjorn have beards
  • Doomfist, Junkrat, Sigma, Soldier are clean shaven
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In Overwatch 2:

  • Baptiste, Cassidy, Hanzo, Lucio, Reinhardt, Soldier, and Torbjorn have beards
  • Sigma is clean shaven
  • We haven't seen Doomfist or Junkrat
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I excluded Genji, Reaper, and Roadhog for obvious reasons

neon aurora
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Sigma looks so good

opaque scroll
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He got shoes now

opaque scroll
topaz ledge
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same

fallen drum
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is the code of violence story the first time we hear of reaper's wife and son?

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i dont think her name was mentioned anywhere before

tidal jetty
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doom with a beard 💀

limpid agate
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It was implied he was straight, and we knew he was married

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Plus we saw some people he was stalking in Reclections and guessed it was his family

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Now we know for sure, and she now has a name

balmy imp
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Was Moira working in Overwatch and then kicked out, then recruited into Blackwatch?

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Or was she just recruited by Reyes after publishing her paper

peak escarp
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the second one

balmy imp
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aight thx

north pond
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does cass and echo go way back

peak escarp
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Cassidy was assigned to guard Dr. Liao

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so him and Echo have history

north pond
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ohhh

edgy rock
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@umbral zephyr ask here

umbral zephyr
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I have a serious question.

If there is any body who can explanation or translate what is the voices in speakers in Numbani in the airport.

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Don’t mind if I spelt it wrong

edgy rock
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I'm so curious too

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If it's just blah blah I'll be sad

umbral zephyr
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Voices are here and at 0:40

umbral zephyr
edgy rock
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They do sound broken tho

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Cus the volume goes up and down

umbral zephyr
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Prob cause they are

edgy rock
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Yeah everything else is in there so wouldn't be surprised

umbral zephyr
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Why is this scaring me

edgy rock
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Aww dw haha

worthy rose
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I thought he meant to guard Echo specifically

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Didn't Liao get killed?

limpid agate
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He was to guard Liao

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And yes, Liao was killed.

limpid agate
worthy rose
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Do we know how he or Echo feels about him failing that?

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Idr anything about them mentioning it at all

limpid agate
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He hasn't talked about it explicitly, but he does show a lot of general self loathing prior to New Blood.

worthy rose
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Yeah i feel like that'd be a major discussion point if he actually brought it up

peak escarp
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it will probably come up in the dialogue during missions in OW2

summer hollow
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guys since OW2 is almost here i want to get into the lore

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where do i start motherfrickers?

peak escarp
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!!loreguide

twilit nacelleBOT
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This is a guide for people who don't know where to begin with the lore of Overwatch. The first thing is probably to go watch the shorts. They're popular, easy to consume, and pack a lot of story and character.
Shorts Playlist: https://bit.ly/2UQyTeL

There are many comics, short stories, and blog posts as well. The most important ones are:
Binary: https://bit.ly/2IzNvJy
Masquerade: https://bit.ly/2IzNTI0
What You Left Behind: https://bit.ly/2Fh7MRz
Stone By Stone: https://bit.ly/36EsPul

There is also an important chain of events following Ana and Soldier 76 (and Mercy at the end):
Legacy: https://bit.ly/2DgM1jQ
Old Soldiers: https://bit.ly/2KLILTV
Bastet: https://bit.ly/2QuXHmM
Valkyrie: https://bit.ly/2CF5JVE

The rest of the stories are mostly optional. Special mention goes out to the Junkers, who have an entertaining string of stories:
Wasted Land: https://bit.ly/2DeKB9G
A Moment in Crime: http://bit.ly/2fMsVYB
Going Legit: https://bit.ly/2InZUkm
The Plan: http://bit.ly/2uZiitC

summer hollow
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is there like a site where i can watch everything in chronological order?

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i know the shorts ive seen them all

peak escarp
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do you mean, like chronological in the story, or chronological by release order

summer hollow
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chronological by release

peak escarp
summer hollow
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i want to watch everything in a chronological release orer

peak escarp
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I have a list

summer hollow
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u are truly the lore warlord

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much appreciated

peak escarp
summer hollow
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im so pumped for ow2

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FINALLY THIS GAME GETS REVIVED

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and it gets the love it deserves

topaz ledge
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mmmmmmmmm juicy lore

peak escarp
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if you have any questions, the regulars here are very knowledgable

summer hollow
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lore question whos the most evil in overwatch?

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also in ur list the unclickable links is stuff thats not out yet right?

peak escarp
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most evil... that's hard to say

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depends what you consider evil

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probably Reaper

summer hollow
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evil as in no regards to human life

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no sympathi

peak escarp
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then Reaper

summer hollow
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doing evil shit just for the sake of evil

peak escarp
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or Widowmaker

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she has no empathy

summer hollow
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not even for me?

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😢

peak escarp
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no she'd kill you too

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and like it

summer hollow
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ill have to catch up on the lore

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so much content yayy

topaz ledge
delicate meadow
peak escarp
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I see evil as intent to cause harm

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Moira doesn't intend to cause harm, she just doesn't care if she does

limpid agate
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Now that we have Code of Violence

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I would say its Widowmaker

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Followed by Reaper

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But if you define evil as intent to cause harm, Roadhog is a strong contender

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He is probably the hero whose motivation is led by spite

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Widow just wants to feel alive, and Reaper has his own twisted sense of justice.

delicate meadow
peak escarp
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if saving a life benefited science, she would do it

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in fact she did

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she saved Reyes's life

umbral zephyr
limpid agate
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Its presumably automated

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That's how a lot of local transit here is

umbral zephyr
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So no one knows what it’s saying cause like it’s broken and stuff

limpid agate
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We can probably go look at launch footage to find out

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The airport broke when Orisa released

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But it shouldnt be anything too significant

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We witnessed it first hand in Hero of Numbani through Efi

peak escarp
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the airport is supposed to represent a moment in the story - when Doomfist attacked

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they wouldn't leave the airport like that and keep using it - it would get fixed

balmy imp
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Does anyone besides Ana and Jack from old Overwatch know that Moira is part of Talon now?

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And only them + Mercy know Reyes is Reaper?

iron plume
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Something like that yes

worthy rose
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god i love this channel

iron plume
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Though the devs said Cassidy would recognize Reaper if they met, but they haven't yet

grand wedge
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Doomfist knows that Reaper is Reyes too

cosmic crest
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I imagine all of the Talon overseers know

summer hollow
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daaaamn

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i gotta say the alive cinematic

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kicks so much ass

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it has to be my fav

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who was that omnic that widow killed?

opaque scroll
worthy rose
# summer hollow kicks so much ass

Reaper in the infiltration cinematic kicked more a$$. Defeating multiple soldiers with ease before proceeding to destroy a mech which was suppose to be one if Russia's most powerful weapons and defeated it in a few minutes

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So yeah Reaper is badass

peak escarp
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Reaper is a cartoon villain who monologues too much

tidal jetty
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still cool though

worthy rose
worthy rose
peak escarp
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but he's still overdramatic

worthy rose
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It's fiiine

worthy rose
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So... any interesting correlations between Sigma and Winston?

digital forum
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Did they say when new blood 5 is coming out?

peak escarp
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March 15

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this tuesday

limpid agate
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They were one sided

worthy rose
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what's new blood 5?

limpid agate
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!!newblood

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If the bot will load...

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It's the 5th and final issue of the Cassidy comic series

worthy rose
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Oooh

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Is there a chance for a skin event or no?

limpid agate
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We got one for the first issue already

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Its unlikely we will get a second

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Unlikely doesn't mean impossible however. There isnt any other event happening, and a few heroes do have some unique designs from the series that don't exist as skins yet

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Mainly Baptiste and Zarya. D.Va might get one too.

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And those designs we saw are not their new looks.

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Or at least Baptiste's wasn't, but based on that, I would assume the same holds true for Zarya and potentially D.Va

past copper
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Technically, Archives is the next coming event. However, considering the circumstances, it’s possible that the event will be skipped this time around

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Possibly, if we’re lucky, for Overwatch 2 since something is coming in April for it

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It’s a closed beta, but hearing the words alpha for the game has me wondering if the game is coming either in April or the following month

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Though, still think we won’t see OW2 until November. Black Friday and other holiday shopping, ya know

peak escarp
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Alpha comes before Beta

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there will be several rounds of beta testing before OW2 is ready

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it definitely won't be out in April

past copper
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That’s why I also said November. October, November, and December are the best months to drop a new game

limpid agate
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They seperated the PvP and PvE

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There is nothing to drop

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Nonetheless, Archives is in early April. The beta is set to start after Archives ends

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I dont see why they would cancel the event

past copper
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Depends on whether or not they really have anything for it

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New skins are fine and dandy, but really I feel they were kinda scrapping the bottom of the barrel last year

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But whatever the case, this might be the last we see of the same old dull Archives until OW2 drops

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Which might then open up new Archive missions

limpid agate
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I don't think we will get new Archives missions

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That's the point of the campaign

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And hero missions

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Especially since the design space for archives is incredibly limited

past copper
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True. But I feel there could be something new from Archives

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Sojourn is a prime example of characters who could get an archive mission

tidal jetty
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archives is before the beta

limpid agate
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The problem with archives is that it gets monotonous with the area and scope

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If you want something from 10-5 years ago, your choices are:

Support: Ana, Mercy, Moira (BW only)

Tank: Rein, Winston

DPS: Cassidy, Genji, Reyes, Jack, Torb, Tracer

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You can throw in Sojourn to that last section

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But at the end of it, you're still just repeating a lot of heroes for old events with a limited capacity

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Plus if you do Talon... You have a lot of the same problems

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You can either do:

Support: Moira, Baptiste

Tank: Sigma (???), Doomfist (???)

DPS: Reaper, Sombra, Widow

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And of those, Reaper and Doomfist are mutually exclusive

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They cannot share a mission

upper pilot
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we defo won’t get a new mission, they are putting all of those for OW2 PvE

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like Rio

limpid agate
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Likewise, Baptiste is too small time to be on any mission from what we know

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He was just a medic from a squad

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He wasn't an elite yet

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Archives just isn't feasible in the future of OW2

opaque scroll
limpid agate
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They're talking about the unpopular history theme from last Archives

summer hollow
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How are the 2 overwatch novels ?

limpid agate
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They're good.

limpid agate
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The Orisa novel is mostly about Efi. It is a kids book, but its fine for what it is. It was written to appeal to kids but explores some interesting stuff about the world. Doomfist is also a fantastic villain.

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The Ashe novel is about Ashe and McCree starting the Deadlock Gang. Its a young adults book as well, but its written to more high school rather than middle school imo. Semantics either way, but I prefer that one.

past copper
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I’m not saying all skins are bad, just that they seem to be out of good ideas for Archives is all

summer hollow
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ah by this trend we can expect an adult book

summer hollow
opaque scroll
summer hollow
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ayo!

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thank mod for pinning

peak escarp
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I liked the historical skins

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and I'm pretty sure people have been asking for a "Soldier: 1776" skin since launch

summer hollow
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Does the deadlock novel tell how mcree lost his arm ?

peak escarp
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no

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that's still "a story for another time"

summer hollow
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Did u enjoy the novels ?

peak escarp
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he lost his arm a long time after the events of that novel

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yes, they're very good

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I especially liked the audio book versions

summer hollow
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Eh I'd rather read it myself than listening

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Not a huge fan of audiobooks

peak escarp
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The Hero of Numbani is read by Cherelle Skeete (Orisa)
Deadlock Rebels is read by Jen Hale (Ashe)

summer hollow
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That's fantastic

peak escarp
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Jen Hale is particularly fun to listen to - I love her McCree impression

summer hollow
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I'm familiar with them since I like vox machina

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I can't wait for overwatch to have a proper single player campaign

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Or well coop

peak escarp
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single player is unlikely

summer hollow
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Ye it will be coop, but it's still gonna be fun !

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Who knows where the story will go

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I'm still going through that list of yours

peak escarp
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I like co-op games

summer hollow
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It's so cool to see how the lore ties together

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So reaper was made by Moira ?

peak escarp
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more or less

summer hollow
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Huh

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What character do u like most from a lore perspective

peak escarp
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Cassidy, Reaper, Mercy, Soldier and Mei

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tbh all the heroes have interesting lore

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but those 5 are the most interesting to me

summer hollow
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Whos Cassidy

peak escarp
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McCree's real name is Cole Cassidy

summer hollow
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Wasn't it Jesse McCree

peak escarp
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that was an alias

summer hollow
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I see

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Interesting

peak escarp
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a lot of criminals/outlaws have aliases

earnest hemlock
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Cassidy ain't no criminal, he's a dispenser of justice

peak escarp
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unfortunately the law doesn't see it that way

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killing bad guys still makes you a killer

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stealing from the rich still makes you a thief

limber gate
summer hollow
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hmm dvas lore is kinda uhh dumb

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maybe i dont get it or i need more context

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after watching the shooting star video

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doesnt korea have a military to deal with the omnics?

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why call pro gamers to pilot mechs?

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who made that call roflmao

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imagine ur country goes to war and u are drafterd cuz u are pro at call of duty

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like wtf

peak escarp
# summer hollow why call pro gamers to pilot mechs?

As the omnic continued to adapt, it eventually disrupted MEKA's drone-control networks, forcing the military to place pilots in the mechs. Scrambling to find suitable candidates, the government turned to the country's professional gamers, who possessed the necessary reflexes and instincts to operate the mechs' advanced weapons systems. Top stars were drafted, including reigning world champion Hana Song, also known as "D.Va." Famous for her elite skills, D.Va was a fierce competitor who played to win at all costs, and she had a well-earned reputation for showing no mercy to her opponents.

summer hollow
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ok fair enough i guess

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i still have to like make myself believe it

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i dont really buy it XD

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but its fine

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its fiction

peak escarp
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it is a bit of a wild idea

cosmic crest
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I assume they were going to draft people anyway, so it made sense to draft people with semi-relevant experience.

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It's still kinda wild though

worthy rose
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are any of the comics or anything voiced as well?

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wait no

peak escarp
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not in English

worthy rose
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Hero and Rebels are the only short stories right

peak escarp
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but there is a reading of Valkyrie on YouTube done by the Japanese VA of Mercy

peak escarp
worthy rose
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interesting

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Im personally a reader/LN reader or w/e myself so I prefer novels to the comics, as wonderful as their art is

north pond
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howdy

worthy rose
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the dream is to get a Soldier or Moira novel or smth cause then we'd get more of best VAs~

north pond
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i want a moira novel

worthy rose
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if their VA did a reading of it ofc

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Sigma's VA doing an audiobook...

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hoo boy

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that'd be awesome

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Ashe's VA is def one of the top choices for one too so I'm glad it exists

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damn I gotta buy those two asap

summer hollow
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Also why zenyatta doesn't get any lore

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I know nothing about him

worthy rose
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I heard he has lore in stone by stone but I didn't read the book

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I think he has quite a bit, but still a lot to work on

summer hollow
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oh

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didnt know soldier 76 was gay

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what interesting stuff u find in lore

worthy rose
edgy relic
worn island
peak escarp
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why not?

worn island
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is it official lore?

peak escarp
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it's in the non-canon section

worn island
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ahhh

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didnt see that

summer hollow
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Didn't know baptise knew Sombra

worn island
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Yeah it's something I hope they remember going forward

winter pecan
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Cassidy crimal

patent island
summer hollow
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cole cassidy is a bad name and i hate it XD

patent island
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Horrid

winter pecan
median chasm
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NOOO HANZO

worthy rose
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Cass is better than Cree

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But Jesse is better yhan Cole

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So whatever

summer hollow
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J-Cole

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There it is

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We fixed his name

winter pecan
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Finally you guys fixed everything

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@summer hollow @worthy rose

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Guys why Cassidy was invaded

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Isn't Cassidy toxic

iron plume
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invaded?

winter pecan
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Not you omnic Austin and teddy i asked

iron plume
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This is a public channel.

winter pecan
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But i used the tag above nvm

worthy rose
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PM knows about more about it than me lol

iron plume
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I mean not in this case cause I have no idea what the question is

summer hollow
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Wtf is goin on

worthy rose
opaque scroll
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Yeah wtf is the question I dont get it

elder crater
past copper
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IDK. I’m just wondering how long until the shitposting ends

mint sedge
worthy rose
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im not sure where on the link you're referring to but the overwatch youtube released a bunch of their soundtracks not too long ago

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@mint sedge

mint sedge
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yeah I'm listening via youtube to those (Heroes and Villains, etc.), but was looking for a download link for flacs. At some point, Synaesthesia Auditiva was offered in flac and I downloaded those, but would like the others.

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I also have the CE soundtrack which I ripped myself from the CD

limpid agate
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I dont know if its lossless, but they can also be found on Spotify

iron plume
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if it's on spotify then it's definitely not lossless

snow pebble
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.

past copper
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No spoilers, but I just read New Blood #5. What can I say except this? IT WAS AWESOME 🤩

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Sadly, D.Va does not have a new look revealed in the comic, but it’s fine

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We can wait a bit longer since we already got new looks revealed for Sigma, Hanzo, Brigitte, and Zenyatta

opaque scroll
topaz ledge
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any news on new blood 5

peak escarp
old solstice
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A question: on relationships scheme Shimada clan is connected with two other icons (rivalry and former). Those are Hashimoto and Yamagami?

peak escarp
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correct

old solstice
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ty

peak escarp
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yamagami

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Hashimoto

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both emblems can be found on the Kanezaka map - the Yamagami emblem is on the Yamagami sword shop, and the Hashimoto emblem is on the Tiger's Den bar

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(I'm kinda assuming that's the Hashimoto emblem, but it makes sense)

old solstice
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Ah, i see. Thanks again

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I was actually wondering a lot where does Hashimoto emblem come from

summer hollow
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a question about the hero of numbani novel

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when will it get better?

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ive read half of it

peak escarp
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the action does pick up in the last few chapters

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but it is aimed at preteens

limpid agate
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The parts with Doomfist

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It gets better when Doomfist is a focus

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He is easily the best part of that novel

peak escarp
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his speech/monologue was my favourite part

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I'd love to hear that spoken by Sahr Ngaujah

summer hollow
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he actually gets to be a pov?

peak escarp
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he makes a speech when he attacks Numbani

summer hollow
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u mean besides the airport attack

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that everyone knows

peak escarp
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yes

summer hollow
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ok that could be interesting

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the first half of the book was boring for me

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its very uhh slice of lifey

worthy rose
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New Blood part 5 officially out yet?

peak escarp
summer hollow
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what is new blood about?

iron plume
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Cassidy going around the world getting people who weren't in the original Overwatch to join the new one

summer hollow
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oh thats pretty cool

iron plume
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Namely Pharah, Baptiste (though that one wasn't intended), Zarya and D.va

summer hollow
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ive read the baptiste short story

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so he is a pretty good choice

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so is pharah since her mother is in it

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dunno about zarya and dva tho

iron plume
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ana isn't in the new overwatch

summer hollow
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she was part of it tho

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so pharah could go in the new one

iron plume
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All of them are good choices because they're strong assets to the new one

opaque tundra
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||zarya's new look isn't that bad||

iron plume
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Pharah's mother being in the old one isn't why she's accepted

summer hollow
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not why she is accepted but why she would want to join

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i dont think overwatch suffers from nepotism xD

iron plume
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the old one was the opposite in fact

summer hollow
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look for talented people

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and recruit to save the world

iron plume
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Ana didn't want her to follow her steps so Pharah was never invited

summer hollow
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didnt pharah change her mind in that comic

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where her group got attacked by robots

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and she learned the value of camaraderie

iron plume
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Not about overwatch she didn't

summer hollow
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hmm

iron plume
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yes that was her growth

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but she wanted to be in OW before and she still does

summer hollow
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i have to read these comics but i have to finish hero of numbani 😭

white cobalt
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last comic up

worthy rose
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yoooo

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omfg that ART

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zarya and bap <3333333

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I always forget how "old" Bap is

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he always seemed like a very early 30 or late 20s

peak escarp
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Zarya is the youngest one there

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Zarya 28
Cassidy 37
Baptiste 36
Pharah 32

worthy rose
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would've thought zarya to be older.. huh

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new blood spoilers ||I knew it meka squad will join overwatch||

peak escarp
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except they don't

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D.Va joins, the rest stay to defend Korea

turbid sorrel
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Honestly I’m loving this comic

turbid sorrel
worthy rose
peak escarp
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we might have a mission in Korea where the MEKA squad backs us up (as NPCs)

worthy rose
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so they're headed to Gibraltar, what for? Null Sector attacking?

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cass and bap feel younger than they are

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must be their personalities lol

peak escarp
worthy rose
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ik they that archives mission too

worthy rose
peak escarp
worthy rose
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god im so happy this channel is so active again

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17 huh

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damn way younger than i thought

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hi

past copper
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The moment ||Overwatch arrived to assist the MEKA Sqaud was amazing||

worthy rose
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are u joking?

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if a player is really good, and getting hackuzated, it is an ironic voice line

limpid agate
worthy rose
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OH

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im dumb nvm

limpid agate
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She's being sarcastic because her accuracy is good enough that it looks like she is using an aimbot.

amber dawn
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soldier:76 should have a line similar

limpid agate
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No, he shouldn't.

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Gameplay != Lore.

amber dawn
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but he has the line that goes why are there children or whatever

limpid agate
worthy rose
limpid agate
amber dawn
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but he doesnt say that to tracer?

limpid agate
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His ult doesn't actually exist like how it works in game

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Its just a HUD, it doesn't actually aim for him

amber dawn
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what is !=

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is it ≠?

limpid agate
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Does not equal

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Yes

amber dawn
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ah ok

limpid agate
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But that button doesn't exist on a keyboard.

worthy rose
#

Ikr! I would personally enjoy it

past copper
#

Also, we finally see how ||Baptiste’s Immortality Field works! It really does put up a barrier ||

limpid agate
twilit nacelleBOT
past copper
#

I always knew that’s how it worked after the explosion that blew Baptiste and Mauga away

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Or I guess only blew Mauga away

limpid agate
#

The fact that it still knocked Baptiste back some implied that it wasn't a barrier

#
prototype device hummed in the air, emitting a protective field of energy around him. It was the only thing that
had kept him alive```
past copper
#

I kinda think it might be a type of barrier. Just not in the same sense as Reinhardt’d or Brigitte’s shields

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Or Orisa’s or Sigma’s barriers

#

Then again, it could’ve been due to the disk being a prototype that Baptiste was still affected by the force of the explosion

worthy rose
#

So does Magua have a shot at being one of the new heroes?

#

Magua, Junkerqueen, and Sojourn are like most likel;y yeah?

#

Sojourn obv

past copper
#

Also, I’m digging ||Zarya’s new look. Much better than her current look||

worthy rose
#

ponytails are always GOAT

past copper
#

Sojourn has been confirmed

#

Junker Queen is hinted at

summer hollow
#

Btw how much time passes between Winston recalling the squad and them actually coming back

#

Essentially what I'm asking is how much time has passed after the recall cinematic until the zero hour one

#

I assume a lot since characters have changed looks

past copper
#

Only like a year at best

summer hollow
#

wooow

#

so torbjorn is retired?

#

😭

limpid agate
#

Yes

#

He will be sending Bastion to join Overwatch in his place.

worn island
#

I dont think torbjorn will explicitly send bastion, I think bastions interest in joining would be the more influential factor

#

or perhaps reinhardts opinion

peak escarp
#

dates are mostly speculative, based on the few concrete dates we have

turbid sorrel
#

Have you updated that with newer comics?

worn island
#

new blood is there, but not the reaper one

#

the reaper one wouldve been ages before though

peak escarp
#

Code of Violence was 4 years ago

#

wouldn't be relevant to this timeline

worn island
#

and stone by stone?

turbid sorrel
#

Also the symetera and zen one but I feel like that isn’t as relevant

#

That one

peak escarp
#

Stone By Stone would be somewhere on here, but we don't have any reference to when it happens

turbid sorrel
#

I’m pretty sure it’s happening some time during aug blue but that’s a guess?

peak escarp
#

same with Shooting Star, Hero, Dragons, Dragonslayer, A New World, Going Legit, Destroyer, Binary, Trainhopper, and Mission Statement

#

they all happen somewhere in that year

worn island
#

Was reunion meant to be Cassidy making his return to "doing stuff"

#

Which lead into new blood?

turbid sorrel
#

Think so

peak escarp
#

Reunion was Cassidy rescuing Echo

turbid sorrel
#

Tbh it’s a really great chart gj on making it though

worn island
#

Oh wait when did train hopper happen

peak escarp
#

we don't know

#

but before Reunion

worn island
#

So reunion is like the first issue of new blood in a way

peak escarp
#

pretty much

worn island
#

Swag

lime flax
#

Is the new India map the same as the temple in Suravasa

opaque tundra
#

yee

#

you can see the aurora statue in the 2021 blizzconline vid

lime flax
#

And Suravasa is in or near Varanasi right?

limpid agate
#

If Varanasi is the name of the map, yes

worthy rose
#

Did Moira ever work with or for Overwatch?

#

oh wait duh

#

Blackwatch right

limpid agate
#

Correct

worthy rose
#

why does reaper hate sombra so much?

#

it's obv i bet but i havent seen

peak escarp
#

read Code of Violence

worthy rose
#

no

peak escarp
#

rude

worthy rose
#

lmao

peak escarp
#

Reaper hates Sombra because she's disobedient, undisciplined and deliberately tries to provoke him to anger

worthy rose
#

makes ya feel bad for him

#
  • moira's actions too
old solstice
#

Also I think Reaper generally doesn't trust Sombra. It was said either in Widow-Reaper or Moira-Reaper interaction.

worthy rose
#

huh

#

reaper has said her name differently

#

sohm-bra
some-bra

old solstice
#

Do you think Satya eventually will join Overwatch?

peak escarp
#

maybe

restive quail
#

Is Torb’s hammer a universal level weapon

peak escarp
#

it's a hammer

sleek prairie
#

Is Reinhardt on steroids?

limpid agate
#

No.

jaunty shard
#

lmfao

opaque scroll
# peak escarp

wait how is rein so much younger seeming in honor & glory if it's that close to overwatch's "current" time?

iron plume
#

The modern part of Honor and Glory is

#

where he's talking to Brigitte and pays respects to Balderich

limpid agate
#

Honor and Glory is set in the present and the past.

#

The young Rein parts are 30 years ago

iron plume
#

^

limpid agate
#

The old Rein parts are post Recall

#

Where's my embed...

opaque scroll
#

Oh right I forgot H&G also has the modern part

iron plume
#

shortened links don't embed

limpid agate
#

They used to

#

That's why I surround them with <> when making bot commands

iron plume
#

¯_(ツ)_/¯

stark tide
#

Anyone here has a place to watch Overwatch comics?

limpid agate
#

!!loreComics

twilit nacelleBOT
#
limpid agate
#

You can read them all here

stark tide
#

Oh dam thank you

dim tulip
#

'

wooden sleet
#

Can anyone give me a summary of the reaper short story

limpid agate
#

The plot is minor. Its one of Reaper's first missions in Talon, around 5 years ago, where he and Sombra go to retrieve Sigma.

#

What is more important is how it reveals a lot of Reaper's character and motivations.

#

Its a short story, I'd recommend just giving it a read

wooden sleet
#

alright

wooden sleet
#

its actually not that bad

#

Twitter made it sound really awful

worthy rose
#

twitter makes a lot sound awful

#

a lot of the overwatch story is really well-done

analog phoenix
limpid agate
wooden sleet
#

so what exactly is overwatch 1

#

like archive of what overwatch used to be?

#

and overwatch 2 is finally focusing on the present?

peak escarp
#

kinda

#

for OW1, the game isn't canon aside from the Archives missions

#

OW2 will have a story campaign in the PvE

#

updated my lore appearances list

worthy rose
#

I KNEW i was missing so much shit from Hanzo

#

he feels so empty to me despite how amazing Dragons is

#

....Moira only appears twice?

#

wtf

worthy rose
peak escarp
#

I like making lists

#

oh I need to update Baptiste for New Blood

#

there we go

#

Hanzo, Junkrat, Roadhog, Bastion, Torbjorn, Moira and Wrecking Ball haven't been seen in the lore in 4 years

#

Bastion and Torbjorn are confirmed to be part of the OW2 story, and Moira is likely

summer hollow
#

i really struggle with hero of numbani

#

im almost done with it and i cant wait to finish xD

#

its such a boring read

#

i get that its a kids book and that doesnt help it at all

worthy rose
#

If you want a fun book read Reaper's code of violence

summer hollow
#

is it a short story or a full novel?

worthy rose
#

Short story

summer hollow
#

ah ok

worthy rose
#

Which is a shame cause it was pretty good

summer hollow
#

like the orisa novel could have easily been a short story

#

so much boring slice of life stuff

#

none of the characters really gripped me

worthy rose
#

Yeah I agree. I prefer action and story rather than slice of life stories

summer hollow
#

me too

#

im almost done with the book but so far 90% of it was slice of life

worthy rose
#

Which is why I like any cinematics with Reaper in it. He's such a boss

summer hollow
#

efi going to school meeting her friends, constructing robots

#

teaching orisa how to behave

#

and if u like that then great but its not for me

worthy rose
#

I didn't read the book yet but you just convinced me to not

#

It sounds kinda boring

peak escarp
#

tbh it is

summer hollow
#

it certainly doesnt help that the main character is 11 years old so i have to put up with stubborn kidd stuff and not listening to parents and worrying about fitting in at school

#

cuz u are not cool enough

#

and all that shit

#

ye its boring

peak escarp
#

but it adds a lot of depth to Orisa's character

summer hollow
#

that it does

peak escarp
#

so I appreciate that

summer hollow
#

it made me appreciate orisa more

worthy rose
peak escarp
#

it's not a book I'd read again for fun

summer hollow
#

i feel bad for destroying orisa ingame now

peak escarp
#

Deadlock Rebels on the other hand...

summer hollow
#

is that good?

#

plz tell me it is

peak escarp
#

so much better

summer hollow
#

im actually looking forward to it

#

yayyy

worthy rose
#

Is there any cool gun fights like in retribution?

peak escarp
#

a couple shootouts

summer hollow
#

also the way doomfist acknowledges efi

#

is kinda

#

like

#

eh

peak escarp
#

they do break into a weapons factory

#

there's also a car chase

#

my biggest complaint about The Hero of Numbani is that so much of the dialogue (particuarly for Lucio) was just voice lines from the game

#

Deadlock Rebels avoids that

summer hollow
#

oh lucio actually makes an appearance?

#

the book teased him from the beginning

peak escarp
#

yeah he shows up near the end

summer hollow
#

cool

#

it wont make up for how boring the book is

#

but at least something exciting happens

#

but i will be really upset if for some reason orisa wins against doomfist

#

theres no way

#

orisa is more powerful than doomfist in lore

peak escarp
#

...I'll let you read it

summer hollow
#

oh god

peak escarp
#

it's not exactly a win, more like... Doomfist retreats

summer hollow
#

are u reffering to the musem scene

peak escarp
#

at the end of the novel

worn island
#

I really wish doomfist could be a super mega threatening enemy

#

like thanos levels

#

not with 6 infinity stones, just super powerful

#

has he actually done anything

#

oh wait yeah the airport

#

I want to do more, make him seem like someone that needs to be stopped

cosmic crest
#

Nobody in the Overwatch unniverse is going to be a Thanos level threat

worn island
#

hmm maybe a bad comparison

#

but you know what i mean, more like ultron maybe

#

pick up a city type shit

limpid agate
#

Overwatch has a very low power level

#

Iron Man is more powerful than the strongest Overwatch character

worn island
#

:(

worthy rose
#

Honestly Spiderman can beat Doomfist and perhaps Reaper

limpid agate
#

He definitely could

#

Spiderman is also stronger than everything OW has to offer

worn island
#

I mean what is spiderman gonna do to reaper

peak escarp
#

very little in Overwatch is superhuman

limpid agate
#

The same thing he does to Sandman

worthy rose
#

Only Reaper and Soldier are

limpid agate
#

No

worn island
limpid agate
#

Tracer and Sigma are super human

worthy rose
limpid agate
#

I was disputing the only

worthy rose
#

Oh I see

limpid agate
#

You're also ignoring cyborgs

#

Like Genji and Doomfist

worn island
#

what even is the definition for superhuman

limpid agate
#

And non humans like Winston and Orisa

peak escarp
#

beyond normal human capability

limpid agate
#

@worn island Sandman is like Reaper in that he can degenerate his body into smaller bits that can travel like a mist. Except it's sand instead of cells.

#

Except Sandman can also do much more

#

And can be the size of a building

worthy rose
#

I think the Overwatch verse is about as powerful as Mortal Kombat. Nothing too special like Marvel or Zelda

limpid agate
#

Reaper is much weaker than Sandman

worn island
#

how did spiderman even do anything to sandman then???

limpid agate
#

Many different ways

worn island
#

I searched it up and uhhh i dont think vacuum cleaner is the right answer

limpid agate
#

That's a comic

#

In comics he's turned him to glass, used water to congeal the sand, etc. Lots of ways

#

Generally, he finds a way to disable Sandmans ability to turn into sand

#

He's done the same in the movies

#

The principle is the same with Reaper

#

Contain him or disable the ability to use wraith form

worn island
#

but...how

#

it isnt as easy as water is it

limpid agate
#

Peter Parker is smarter than most if not all Overwatch heroes. The only competition is Winston, but I think Peter is smarter

#

He has reverse engineered super powers before

#

And invented tech just for specific villains

mighty mango
#

Batman would win

worn island
limpid agate
#

It doesn't matter if it is a easy as water. You're comparing Overwatch to Spiderman

#

Spiderman is just on a while different tier in every aspect

worthy rose
worn island
#

so what would be the proposed way to defeat reaper

limpid agate
#

Batman is also on a whole student tier

#

Neither should have any difficulty with any characters in Overwatch

worn island
#

if any

deep flax
worthy rose
#

Spiderman's really strong so I suppose he could break Reaper's bones and leave him limp

deep flax
#

like if batman was in the lore it would be so fucking over for the bad guys

#

ong

mighty mango
#

batman has one thing that overwatch characters dont

#

money

deep flax
#

thas true

worthy rose
mighty mango
deep flax
#

you know how many gadgets that man has

limpid agate
mighty mango
worn island
deep flax
#

he had a way to kill superman

#

basically a god

limpid agate
#

Reaper is significantly weaker than what Spiderman deals with

worn island
#

OVERWATCH

limpid agate
#

Yes

#

You're asking how he can defeat Reaper

worn island
#

how would overwatch characters defeat reaper

limpid agate
#

Have you watched any shorts

mighty mango
limpid agate
#

Reaper had almost exclusively been defeated

worthy rose
worn island
peak escarp
#

trap him

worn island
#

like contain or kill or something

worthy rose
#

Disintegration

peak escarp
#

counteract his regeneration somehow

limpid agate
#

You can contain him

#

Or disable his power

#

Or counteract or

#

Just fucking kill him

worn island
#

....would a vacuum bag work

worthy rose
#

Maybe

#

That would be funny

worn island
limpid agate
#

The short story reveals he is more mortal than we previously thought

#

No, he needs to actively do it

worn island
#

why doesnt he just stay smokey, does it take too much energy

limpid agate
#

Because then he can't shoot you

worn island
#

hmmm

#

what happens if he is injured, then he turns to smoke and back again

limpid agate
#

The smoke isn't what heals him

deep flax
#

winston or "monkey" is my favorite character in the game :)

worthy rose
#

Well mine is Reaper and Mcree

deep flax
#

dnc

worn island
#

so would nothing change

limpid agate
#

Both Jack and Reyes have regeneration from the SEP

#

They heal over time

deep flax
limpid agate
#

Reyes' is accelerated and manipulated further by Moira

worthy rose
worn island
#

how can a bunch of cells be injured

#

why cant he reassemble in a way that heals him

limpid agate
#

He's never been shown to be capable of doing so

worn island
#

well he hasnt really ever been actually hurt has he

limpid agate
#

Injuries he had sustained prior to wraithing remain after

limpid agate
#

Yes, he had

#

Multiple times

worthy rose
#

Such as in old soldiers and recall

worn island
#

like cuts or bleeding

#

couldnt he just reassemble them to stop

limpid agate
#

His body is scarred and deformed

#

That doesn't heal

#

If your claim that he could heal himself by rearranging his cells

worn island
#

so wraith form really is as boring as it is in game

limpid agate
#

Was true

#

Then he wouldn't be scared and deformed

#

!!loreonly

twilit nacelleBOT
#

This channel is for serious discussion strictly related to the lore of Overwatch. Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

worn island
deep flax
#

i haven't followed it since like 2018

limpid agate
#

It doesn't matter if you like it or not. Use the channel for its intended purpose

deep flax
#

but that is the intended purpose?

#

we are talking about the lore?

mellow lily
#

Final warning. Use the channel for Overwatch Lore only

iron plume
#

You are not.

deep flax
#

are you suppressing my opinion?

mellow lily
#

Yes.

#

Overwatch lore discussion only. You will be muted.

peak escarp
#

anyway, Reaper is difficult to kill, but not impossible

limpid agate
#

And it's not too difficult to beat him either

#

The real powerhouses in Overwatch are like

#

Signa, Winston, Doomfist, maybe Symmetra

white wave
#

do we know when OW 2 takes place? like is it in the same year as OW1?

limpid agate
#

1 year later

white wave
#

oh nice

#

how do we know that

limpid agate
#

They told us, but I can't find the source right now on account of I'm on mobile

#

@peak escarp Is it in your doc?

#

In pins

peak escarp
#

Ow2 being one year after OW1 was mentioned in an interview

limpid agate
#

Yes, but do you have the link to it

peak escarp
#

timestamped

#

we'll get a clearer timeline later this year with the Declassified book

white wave
#

so convenient, thx! this is really cool

twilit anchor
#

just a question i had in the back of my mind earlier today. do you think there will be any interactions between jack and reyes? i mean in OW2 ofc ^^

peak escarp
#

probably

twilit anchor
#

we wont know four sure until a bit later ofc. but i was just really curious

peak escarp
#

I dont think we'll see them in story missions, but there will still be lore outside the game

twilit anchor
#

ooh i see

summer hollow
#

is there any chance one of the heroes might die in lore?

#

like they should still be playable ofc but in terms of story

#

;O

peak escarp
#

it's possible

#

unlikely, but possible

#

the devs have said they won't rule it out

worn island
#

The old soldiers story line is something i realllly wanna see play out in game

#

but its seeming unlikely :(

#

maybe they cross paths with neo ow by chance

peak escarp
#

they'd need more heroes for it to be playable

#

which they could do

#

maybe they run into Hanzo, or there's new heroes introduced that help them out

worthy rose
#

I want more Hanzo lore

#

like what the fuck he really has only been in Dragons?

#

I'm sure Genji or possibly Zen have mentioned him maaaaaaaaybe in their lore but still

peak escarp
#

Hanzo hasn't been seen or mentioned in the lore since 2016

hazy mango
#

1 frame of a comic..

worthy rose
#

I want more Clan stuff in general albeit Hanzo too

#

There's more than Shimada yeah?

hazy mango
#

ye

peak escarp
#

the Shimada clan was dismantled

worthy rose
#

wasn't there a female "clan" hero named before?

peak escarp
#

the Hashimoto clan took over

worthy rose
#

like she was in relation to Genji and Hnazo

#

like junkerqueen to hog and junk

peak escarp
#

Asa Yamagami was their teacher

#

she is currently an enforcer for the Hashimoto clan

worthy rose
#

awesome name im down

#

broooo potentialll

peak escarp
#

her husband Toshiro is a swordmaker

worthy rose
#

If I had a personal pick on who I want in OW it'd prolly be uhh

#

Junkerqueen or a male member of D.va's group

#

another mech character would be fun dammit

#

and since we only have one tank u cant stack em ig

#

which is what Blizz wants to prevent

hazy mango
#

Iggy..

old solstice
worthy rose
#

the title Junkerqueen alone is ripe with lots of gamemplay possibilities

worthy rose
#

Instead of another fucking healer-dps in Soldier

#

Bap

#

Zenyatta

peak escarp
#

Junker Queen rose to fame as a mech battle champion in the Scrapyard

worthy rose
#

love it.

old solstice
#

Next step: healer tank

worthy rose
#

eh

#

i can see that

#

sniper monkey was a thing for a bit

worthy rose
#

Like officially make uhh Baptise Damage-Support

peak escarp
#

that wouldn't work

worthy rose
#

oh true

peak escarp
#

it goes against the OW design philosophy

worthy rose
#

Soldier, Bap, Moira, Mercy or w/e

#

but with so many heroes now

#

idk

peak escarp
#

if would be bad if you had to guess whether Baptiste was taking the support role or the damage role

old solstice
worthy rose
#

Yeeeah ig ur right

#

fun concept to me though

old solstice
worthy rose
#

brig would be support-dps to me

#

def not tank material

#

i don't think we have any hero rn with tank-support capability

#

maybe uhh

#

Oh Zarya

#

possibly?

old solstice
#

I'm just joking there (and according to brig bullying culture)

worthy rose
#

lol

limber gate
#

I wanna see dva mech but with a barrier

#

kinda like rein-brig mix

#

still better than hog

#

stupid oversized reaper with a portable healthpack

worthy rose
#

How tall is winston canonically

#

Is it confirmed or not

opaque scroll
#

Someone correct me on this if im wrong

worthy rose
#

The wikis telling me he’s 5 foot 7 and i dont believe it

limpid agate
#

Sounds accurate

#

That's around the average horilla height

#

Winston's height was confirmed as well, as were all of the first 18 heroes

worthy rose
#

I just struggle to believe that im bigger than winstonoverwatch

azure slate
#

Winston is 5’7” standing on all fours, and 7’3” on hind legs

worthy rose
#

That makes more sense

restive quail
#

Winstonoverwatch

topaz ledge
#

there are other winstons so

dark lichen
#

During Winston's Ultimate in-game shows him on his hind legs, and yeah, he's very tall.

topaz ledge
#

so i think one of the first missions in ow 2 will be in Gibraltar

old solstice
#

after rio or?

topaz ledge
#

yea

#

but no

#

other teams

dark lichen
#

At the end of the New Blood comic, ||Cassidy and the rest of 'em head to Gibraltar to meetup with everyone I'm assuming after the events of Paris or Rio. ||

#

So yeah, it'd make sense Gibraltar will be one of the first locations in the campaign.

topaz ledge
#

and i think its there that they will be ambushed by null sector or talon

dark lichen
#

I doubt they'd get ambushed that early on in the story, I have a feeling Gibraltar will be the home base you return to after a mission, perhaps a lead up to the final mission will begin with everyone getting attacked.

#

¯_(ツ)_/¯

old solstice
#

I'd love to see that. Gibraltar got to be my favorite location lorewise.

#

But past Gibraltar tho

#

I have little hope, but it would be fantastic if some of the missions took place before recall, in the past.

#

Just like archives pves i suppose

topaz ledge
#

i want to do talon missions

old solstice
#

They are very likely to be there, since they had promised to include all heroes in the missions

worthy rose
#

did they promise all heroes in story/lore missions?

#

for example, the junkers, how would they fit into overwatch story

old solstice
#

Just a separate line? Like a side story

topaz ledge
#

comic relief

old solstice
#

Or they'll squish them in somehow

topaz ledge
#

while in a pickle they get saved by junkrat and roadhog who come riding in on a motorcycle

worn island
#

I'm pretty sure they straight up confirmed that some heroes wouldn't be in the story

#

Like the junkers and hammond

topaz ledge
#

no reunion for hammond and winston? ):

old solstice
#

In the storyyy, but does that mean they won't have skill tree and pve like all other characters which is the major point of ow2?

#

At least I hope it ain't so. Not even passionate about junkers, but that for sure would make me sad.

topaz ledge
#

immagine if they make new new blood comics and cass recruits hammond

old solstice
#

Then Cass gets kidnapped and is recruited in junkers instead

summer hollow
#

finished the hero of numbani novel

#

daamn

#

its kinda meh

#

5/10

#

also they nerfed doomfist so much in that novel

#

holy shit

#

|| he lost against lucio and orisa are u fucking shitting me? ||

#

but it is a kids novel i guess

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i also hate how they used him as a cartoon villain at the end || well guss i lose so i have to uhh kill my own allies so i can run away like a coward XD ||

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|| even lucios appearance felt weird, i dunno it just felt off for some reason, book is 80% about efi and slice of life stuff which bored me to tears||

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the only good part of the book is orisa herself

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it made me appreciate the hero much more

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now ill even start to play her XD

topaz ledge
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Orisa does good damage if you can aim

opaque scroll
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!!loreonly

twilit nacelleBOT
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This channel is for serious discussion strictly related to the lore of Overwatch. Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

peak escarp
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not all heroes will be included in story missions

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but they will all be playable in Hero Missions

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limber gate
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efi and lucio > genji and tracer?

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this smells like bullsh*t to me

past copper
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It smells like you’re overestimating a guy who’s human with nothing but fighting skills and cybernetic prosthetics

summer hollow
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and u are overestimating a newly born robot that has little to no combat experience and a music star

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oh and an 11 year old

past copper
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An 11 year old who’s clearly smarter than him, a robot with a heart and enhancements, and a guy with sonic tech

worthy rose
summer hollow
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ah ye 11 year old smarter than doomfist

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ofc

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xd

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it was a kids book so ofc he had to lose

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but eh

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it was just way too convenient

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and he retreated cuz he was scared xD

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like gtfo

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basically so he could escape them doomfist had to throw a guy off a building

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so he can escape freely

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to create a distraction

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xD

worthy rose
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Yep pretty sad

past copper
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No. Doomfist made the mistake of every villain. He underestimated his opponents and became certain of his victory. Thus leading to his defeat

summer hollow
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that is fair

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but the way it was done

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in that book

worthy rose
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Yeah typical cliche

summer hollow
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was just nah

limber gate
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and winston

summer hollow
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exactly!

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like it didnt make sense

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he got nerfed in the book