lore-discussion

[edgy relic]

Bastion in The Last Bastion is still an it, for example.

[iron plume]

It's possible but I wouldn't take it as a fact just from the devs using it in their talks

[edgy relic]

He's also voiced by Chris Metzen, so that counts for something.

[iron plume]

because, again, they used 'he' back in ow1 times too

even though officially it's an 'it'

Not saying you can't call it that or anything, I occasionally slip myself

Just that it's not official

[edgy relic]

So far, the video I linked is the only official material we have about Bastion in Overwatch 2, so it's canon until something newer supersedes it.

[iron plume]

There's no difference in "canon" between OW1 and 2

The canon pronoun for bastion is it
until something newer supersedes it

[edgy relic]

You can't stop anyone from calling Bastion "he" any time they like in gameplay discussion if they want to.

[iron plume]

I have literally said I'm not trying to
And this isn't gameplay discussion

I'm contending with this

They've not "switched" because in dev talks they've referred to Bastion as "he" before ow2 as well, but that didn't change the official pronoun in lore

[lavish cradle]

Does Torb use any specific pronouns in the comic "Binary"?

[iron plume]

Torb uses 'it'

[peak escarp]

the devs have always said "he" when referring to Bastion, despite Bastion officially being "it"

it just doesn't feel natural to refer to a sapient being as "it"

I slip up too sometimes

[manic fern]

bastion he/it supremacy
i think what you said about sentience is really interesting there (not in a bad way just in a hmm humans have interesting thought patterns way)

[peak escarp]

humans also have a long history of using gendered pronouns for inanimate things

calling ships "she" for example

[manic fern]

definitely

[lavish cradle]

One of my teachers told me the usage of ships being "she" was because the sailors would yell at the ships, much like they would yell at their wives. Also so they could call the ships some.... colorful words that were only used for women.

Maybe it's true, maybe it's just a rumor or an Old Wive's Tale

[earnest hemlock]

i feel like that goes both ways, people would call their ships she like a beautiful woman while being very proud of their ship

[grand trench]

isnt bastion cannonically just a normal omnic soldier? like the ones rein destroys several off with 1 swing?

[peak escarp]

yep

[grand trench]

did they explain what made him different from the other soldiers tho, because he almost reverted to factory settings in his animated short

dont think standing outside for so long can re-write your program

[peak escarp]

something happened to make Bastion's programming different

Torbjorn doesn't know what it is, but it made him curious

[grand trench]

watch the bird actually be a genius scientist that did the re-wiring

[grand trench]

is the kings row uprising presented in the tracer london calling comic series?

[peak escarp]

no

[grand trench]

is it the orisa book?

[peak escarp]

no

it's in the Uprising comic

and the Uprising game mode

[grand trench]

oh i see the comic in pins now thanks

[peak escarp]

it happened 7 years ago from present day

[grand trench]

wait wasnt kings row tracers first mission? that means that tracer didnt spend long in overwatch until it disbanded

[iron plume]

yep

at least as agent

but she’s 26 so we could already guess that

[grand trench]

wonder when are we getting another omnic character

[peak escarp]

probably this guy

[grand trench]

yea, just saw that vid and thats where i got my question from lol

[peak escarp]

he seems to be a Null Sector leader

judging by the conversation he has with Doomfist

and his purple jaw

[past copper]

Can’t lie, that guy looks intimidating, but I’m curious to know if he’s going to be an NPC or hero

[grand trench]

yea with OW2 he might be a story character not a playable character

hope hes playable cuz the game needs another omnic playable character

[past copper]

Well, I mean, if you think of it like that, half the heroes in game will be NPCs in the story

Doomfist, Reaper, Widowmaker, Sombra, Moira, Sigma etc

I’m not sure what roles they’ll play exactly, but I wanna say they play as bosses

Probably. We’re still not sure what roles Moira and Sigma really fill for Talon

[cosmic crest]

I hope not. Playable heroes would make for lame bosses.

[past copper]

Well, unless you play them in the story missions, it wouldn’t make anymore sense for them not to be bosses

That said, Doomfist is the only one I understand as a boss since we saw how he fought Overwatch in his short

[grand trench]

idk i kinda hope they are playable and also win some fights

kinda gets boring if the bad guys loose every time

[past copper]

Well, they have great chances at victory. It’s just that either Overwatch’s involvement or Sombra’s actions or unforeseen circumstances causes them to fail

Not all the time. Such as the case in Alive whereas Widow succeeded in assassinating her target

[rich halo]

Why does torb have a deadlock skin

[peak escarp]

for the same reason D.Va has a Junker skin

they're not canon

[rich halo]

I see

[tidal jetty]

i'd rather have new bosses that we havent seen

rather then verse heroes we already have

also keeps it way more open to have playable stories through both sides of it

[peak escarp]

the problem with having heroes (Doomfist, Reaper, etc.) as bosses is that we'll never get to kill them

we'll win the fight, then they'll get away somehow

not a very satisfying conclusion

[tidal jetty]

i also dont want another situation where its like "the boss when you verse them verses when you play them"

idk i like the archives events where you verse like mini bosses all the time

so it'd be cool if they made like actual full on bosses fights like you get in dark souls and stuff

[past copper]

Well, who knows how this will turn out

I just don’t know about seeing gameplay on the Talon side of things since they seem to keep to teams of 2-3

From what we’ve seen, the story mode is basically played by teams of 4 against bots

[peak escarp]

it'll be the same as Archives

4 heroes, at least 1 support

[past copper]

Probably at least 1 tank, 2 dps, 1 support

Though, it’s possible it won’t stick to that

[peak escarp]

Retribution did fine without a tank

[past copper]

It depends. The only tanks we know to be on the team are Winston, Reinhardt, D.Va, and Zarya

So probably not a tank every mission

Still, unless the missions are gonna be 4 Talon characters, I don’t see that happening

No clues what the full plan is for Talon heroes, but I’m sure the devs have something in mind

[limpid agate]

Tanks are not mandatory

We could see a mission with two supports

For example, the India mission could be Mercy/Zen/Genji/Tracer

Could also replace Mercy with Zarya

[pearl rain]

I find it funny how junker queen says "oh mako you silly billy, you aren't allowed in here" then opens the gate anyway

[limpid agate]

Gameplay!= Lore

[pearl rain]

exact quote too

[limpid agate]

No it isn't

[pearl rain]

lol

I forgot the quote exactly

but I personally find it funny

[limpid agate]

You know better than to show your face around here, Mako

[pearl rain]

I know gameplay doesn't equate to lore, just the fact that she says that but lets him in anyway is hilarious to me

[limpid agate]

Is the same as any other defense map

One side is breaking in, but they're not visibly breaking in

Except Eichenwalde

[pearl rain]

though its weird when you look at gibraltar since you could argue the defenders are the attackers

[limpid agate]

That fits a lot of them

The spawns don't make sense of you think about them either

It's best not to

[pearl rain]

I think gibraltar is the most coherent tho

[limpid agate]

Kings Row is

[pearl rain]

oh yeah, true

it kinda maybe sorta follows Uprising I think

[edgy relic]

Imagine a story mission where you play as Widowmaker reenacting the events of "Alive".

[worthy rose]

This series is getting hype we're probably close to potential ow2 news even the banner changed

[limpid agate]

That would be dreadful.

For starters, there's only 1 hero on Widowmaker's side, so its literally single player

For the other, there is no opposition worth fighting

[edgy relic]

A single-player campaign would be interesting.

Or reenact the Cinematic Trailer (a.k.a. "The Exhibit").

But that would mean actually landing shots and dying.

[limpid agate]

Thats just 2v2 pvp

[edgy relic]

No one hits anything or seems to do any damage that isn't to non-living objects.

It's just flashy and visually interesting with really awesome sound design and mixing. https://www.asoundeffect.com/overwatch-trailer-sound/

[limpid agate]

These stories of duels or 2v2s are not interesting to show in game. They are best saved for shorts.

Another thing I see people suggest is a Jack vs Gabriel thing

[edgy relic]

You're probably right.

[limpid agate]

Its the same problems there

The interesting stories for the game to show through gameplay are:

• Team based
• Against a large volume of enemies

[edgy relic]

But still, a single-player infiltration sort of mission, where you're by yourself and able to handle yourself against faceless enemies would be neat.

[limpid agate]

This is the wrong game for that.

[edgy relic]

Well, I think that's an opinion I disagree with. It could work. Or make a separate game with some of the Overwatch characters that lets you do a single-player mission of some sort.

[limpid agate]

Yes, its better for a spinoff

Or something else

Not for this game

[opaque scroll]

Do you think there's potential for Honor & Glory to be a playable level?

[limpid agate]

No

[opaque scroll]

Fair enough

[limpid agate]

That would be just 4 Reinhardts with no healer

Against Bastions

I was just talking about stories, but I suppose I should add a third point

• Needs a healer

And for it to have a healer, it would need to take place in the last 10-15 years.

[opaque scroll]

Oh wait

When did the omnics gain conscience, like how many years before overwatch's 'current time'

[limpid agate]

The earliest known is Bob

Well, temporally

Aurora was objectively the first

Bob is just the first we saw

And that was when Ashe was a teenager

[opaque scroll]

I was just thinking this might have been discussed but when did Zen gain his?

[limpid agate]

Likely the same time

Zenyatta's date of birth is 20 years ago, but BOB was BOB for... Minimum 22 years

I forgot the timelining in Deadlock Rebels

So either Zen's age is to be retconned

Or Zen was created post-awakening

[opaque scroll]

Huh... that's pretty interesting

[fallen fiber]

if widow killed her husband,
and her name is widow maker,
her name is widowmaker
because she made hersed a widow hence why she is a widowmaker😟😟😟

[iron plume]

Herself among other people yes

[lilac tinsel]

they should make a torbjorn cinematic

[peak escarp]

we'll get Torb cutscenes at least

[past copper]

If Torbjörn’s not gonna join the new Overwatch, Bastion might step in for him

That would at least reference the next generation Overwatch stepping up after the original

[limpid agate]

Pretty sure that's already confirmed

[peak escarp]

Bastion was seen with the Overwatch team in the storyboards shown at Blizzconline

with Zarya, which must have been an interesting encounter

we know Reinhardt's reaction to seeing Bastion, but I'm more curious about Zarya's

[past copper]

I’m sure some of them have some less than trusting feelings towards Bastion

Reinhardt, Zarya, D.Va, Tracer, Mercy, possibly Cassidy

[peak escarp]

Tracer would be fine

Cassidy too

they're pro-omnic

[past copper]

True. But they’ve had their share of Bastion encounters from Uprising

And the recent New Blood comic

[peak escarp]

but they're not of the "shoot first" mindset like Reinhardt or Zarya

[past copper]

True. Those two know more about war with Bastions then anyone though

They spent a better part of their lives facing such enemies

Even though the recent New Blood comic kinda nerfed the threat Bastions pose

I mean seriously. People were in a panic when they heard one Bastion was roaming the forest and yet in New Blood #4, they don’t seem like a threat at all

[peak escarp]

their threat is relative to how often people see them

in Russia on the warfront, they're old news

in peaceful Sweden where a Bastion hasn't been seen in decades, people panic

[past copper]

True. Realistically, people may have blown their encounters outta proportion or something

Because Bastion never attacked anyone

They just saw something scary and dangerous, told others, and others let their assumptions run wild

[peak escarp]

think about it

if you were told all your life that bears killed people and would eat you if you encountered one, you'd panic too if you saw one walking down the street

even if the bear was seemingly friendly (not that you'd stick around to find out)

[lavish cradle]

Where is Rein's reaction to Bastion shown?

[past copper]

In one of the behind the scenes

[lavish cradle]

What's the full video called? Is it on YouTube?

[peak escarp]

there's more context to the scene that we don't see, but that's the basics of it

[lavish cradle]

Does a full video exist?

[peak escarp]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRj-GotnNaQ&t=1842s

[past copper]

Ngl. Bastion seemed a lot more scared then Rein

[peak escarp]

it was terrified

[past copper]

I wonder how much Torb has integrated Bastion into society

[peak escarp]

probably not much

if the town hall meeting in Binary is any indication

[past copper]

Given the ptsd issue, it probably dangerous to let Bastion around people

They know of what Bastions are capable of and Bastion could snap at the drop of a hat

No pun intended

Torbjörn probably keeps Bastion in his shop for most of the day for everyone’s safety

[peak escarp]

yeah

[past copper]

If that’s the case, Bastion probably has limited human interaction aside from Torb

So I wonder how that will play out when going on missions with Overwatch

[worthy rose]

Do you guys feel like too many heroes are joining OW in-story?

Or rather too easily?

[cunning ledge]

they need a large amount of different heroes to join for the ow2 story to really work at all

zarya joining did seem to go quite easily but i think it made sense in the context

[worthy rose]

I guess but OW is still a banned organization

Feels like everything is going too smoothly regardless

[iron plume]

well they haven't come to blows with the law yet

[lapis orbit]

Do you think ana will join OW

If so how do you think she will react to phara being in OW

[iron plume]

No,
and we know how she reacted. She's fine with it and regrets preventing her before

She's the one who sent Cassidy to recruit her (among others)

!!newblood

okay this isn't a thing

[twilit nacelle]

Cassidy - New Blood:
#1: https://bit.ly/3wJqcnL
#2: https://bit.ly/3ejXkd0
#3: https://bit.ly/3fbBwB3
#4: https://bit.ly/3B9zLOE
#5: March

[iron plume]

oh no it is just slow

Issue #1 for both of those, page 9 for Ana's answer to recall, page 18 for her showing the recruit montage

[worthy rose]

I really like Morrison's response to OW being revived

Even the guy meant to be the "generic" shooter guy has amazing character

Makes how is being treated all the worse

But at least we're on the cusp of a new era for it

AnyWAY I'm rambling

[worthy rose]

What was his response again? no care for it?

[limpid agate]

Was in Valkyrie

up with Winston? You think the same people who brought down Overwatch won’t
take him down, too?”
...
“Let Winston play hero,” Jack said dismissively. “I’ll do what needs to be done.
Reyes, Ogundimu, Maximilien, Vialli, Sombra, O’Deorain, and the rest of them.
They’ll be dealt with.”

[worthy rose]

is he saying he plans to take them out? the names he listed

[limpid agate]

Yes

[past copper]

I’m looking forward to more stuff on Overwatch 2 and I at least hope for more hero new look reveals

Given we saw Zarya’s new hairstyle, she’s clearly next to be shown a full new look

[peak escarp]

that might not be her new hairstyle

it could have just been for the comic

[limpid agate]

Also, everyone needs to have their new looks revealed by May 5th

Or at least most characters do

The need isnt until the skins go on sale

[past copper]

Well, there’s a long ways away from May and there’s a beta more or less, but sadly the beta might not have all heroes available to play yet

Only those that are finished being worked on in things like new look and new abilities

Without a BlizzConline though, there’s no telling if new looks or more will be shown

[lethal sail]

do you guys think in OW2 that anyone will die canonically say like members of talon or soldier 76?

there's that possibility for it because genji was on the verge of death so the devs could go dark with a part of the story

[cunning ledge]

I don't think any playable characters will die

[cosmic crest]

It's highly doubtful

[cunning ledge]

I could imagine it happening in a really specific circumstance when it is required for the story, like if they make the null sector guy playable and he's the final boss of the campaign or whatever

But that seems unlikely

[limpid agate]

Only NPCs.

There is a chance Max will die

There is no chance Soldier 76 will

If they do kill a playable character, it will be in a way that makes them still come back to life. Like Snowball in Rise and Shine.

So most likely an omnic that can be repaired and functionally "resurrected"

[lethal sail]

that is a reasonable thought, it also make sense, i also just thought that soldier could die due to age bc he's yknow.. old but an omnic seems right

[limpid agate]

He's in his 50s

Sigma, Reinhardt, Ana, Torbjorn, and Reaper are all older than him.

[lavish cradle]

I knew Ana and Gabe were older, not the rest, but yeah, makes sense

[opaque scroll]

Soldier was injected with the superman juice he aint gonna die anytime soon

[lethal sail]

oh yeah i forgot about that

i guess hes gonna die at like 130

sat in his rocking chair

[limpid agate]

The Soldier Enhancement Program didn't inject him with anything that strong

He is more comparable to Captain America, not Superman

[limber gate]

I just have the feeling that one person out of soldier and reyes are gonna end up killing the other

then having the startling discover that they didn't because they're playable characters and plot armor

[worthy rose]

exactly same

one of them dies or both of them will

[lavish cradle]

I know at least they'll get very close

[tidal jetty]

the most i can see is characters being imprisoned or something

[lavish cradle]

Probably Winston

[limpid agate]

They're not going to kill off Reaper or Soldier.

I dont even think we will see them fight in the campaign

Soldier is on the shortlist of heroes I don't expect to show up at all

[worthy rose]

no chance Soldier of all heroes doesnt show up

[peak escarp]

why not?

he's not the main character

[tidal jetty]

nobody is the main character

but just because someone isnt the main focus of the story doesnt mean they wont show up

could very much see legacy missions for flashbacks or smth

soldier, ana, reaper

[peak escarp]

the trouble with legacy missions is that there needs to be 4 playable heroes

and Ana and Reaper had different abilities in the past

[tidal jetty]

well there are at least 4 playable heroes for the OG overwatch team

at the minimum there are soldier , rein, torb, mercy

even if that is just uprising without the tracer

[peak escarp]

Mercy wasn't part of the original team

[tidal jetty]

she was still apart of it whilst soldier was still morrison

[peak escarp]

so was Tracer, Winston and Genji

[tidal jetty]

well yeah, i was just giving examples

[peak escarp]

unless they have a specific story to tell, it's better to stick with present day stories

[limber gate]

so they're not gonna give a present day conflict of soldier going after reaper?

[peak escarp]

maybe in comics/short stories

but I don't expect it to be playable

[limber gate]

I wanna see their interactions

yea comics would be nice

or a cinematic where these two duke it out

but as the story progresses I'd prefer some actual plot

[worthy rose]

Maybe not but you can't deny Soldier, Tracer, Winston... have a spotlight of sorts

At least I think so

[peak escarp]

Tracer and Winston do

[worthy rose]

you know what im 180ing

you're right

[peak escarp]

Soldier only has a spotlight in relation to his rivalry with Reaper

[worthy rose]

But as former head of OW and he's investigating the fall of the very organization I think he'll have one in OW2

or a consistent one is what i mean

Oh yeah I was wondering

Soldier and Ana were leader and co-leader of OW initially right?

Are Winston and Tracer like their replacements?

And where would they leave Sojourn? Isn't she a leader too?

[limpid agate]

More or less

Soujourn was Ana's replacement after Ana "died"

[worthy rose]

oooooh interesting

[limpid agate]

She looks to have a major role in OW2 too

Soldier has no spotlight in the OW2 campaign

[worthy rose]

so reaper-soldier-ana, tracer-winston-sojourn, ig?

idk it's not as black and white as im trying to make it

[worthy rose]

how do we know that though

like in how story missions play out anyhow

and there are hero missions

[worthy rose]

im moreso confused than anything

[peak escarp]

Sojourn might have a leadership role once again

[limpid agate]

He has no reason to appear in the campaign, he has been shown in none of the promotional footage or storyboards, and in all of his current lore appearances he is basically saying that he is against Winston's Overwatch

[worthy rose]

omg what is that from btw

[peak escarp]

Hero Missions are like the QP of PvE

[worthy rose]

making me excited for ow2 again aaaaa

[worthy rose]

thats an interesting way to look at it

[peak escarp]

it's from the Behind the Scenes panel shown last year at Blizzconline

[worthy rose]

he's not against though, is he? He's moreso just ignoring it and doing his own thing

I wouldn't say he's indifferent though

Just has different priorities

[peak escarp]

Soldier doesn't see the point in bringing back Overwatch while their enemies are still active

[worthy rose]

true but is that the same as being against it?

....am i being pedantic

[peak escarp]

maybe

[worthy rose]

lol

fuck me blizz give us ow2

<_<

[peak escarp]

up with Winston? You think the same people who brought down Overwatch won’t
take him down, too?”
...
“Let Winston play hero,” Jack said dismissively. “I’ll do what needs to be done.
Reyes, Ogundimu, Maximilien, Vialli, Sombra, O’Deorain, and the rest of them.
They’ll be dealt with.”```

[worthy rose]

i will never not love this snippet

i n e e e d OW comics n shit irl so bad

i cant wait to buy em all

[peak escarp]

they're free on the website

[worthy rose]

more special owning em tho

[peak escarp]

I recommend the novels more

Deadlock Rebels expecially

[worthy rose]

Orisa and Cass-Ashe are the only novels yeah?

[peak escarp]

so far

[worthy rose]

interesting

Im more inclined to read the Orisa one, I love her character

It's gonna be weird looking at all this canon content without hearing their voices

they're so ingrained in my head

[peak escarp]

it gives her entire backstory - from when Efi gets nominated for the genius grant, to Efi witnessing Doomfist's attack on the airport, buying the broken OR15, and eventually meeting Lucio during his concert and getting a rematch against Doomfist

[worthy rose]

Orisa
Doomfist
Lucio
omfg inject it into my veins

hero interaction yess

[peak escarp]

my only complaint about The Hero of Numbani is that a lot of the dialogue (particularly for Lucio) is just voice lines from the game

I would have liked a little more originality

[worthy rose]

If you could have a new full-blown 3-5 minute cinematic about any hero right now (even ones that already have one) who would it be?

Oh...that's disappointing but ah well

[peak escarp]

Sigma

[worthy rose]

Ah I shouldve gussed

[peak escarp]

we know the least about Sigma right now

[worthy rose]

so much untapped potential

sorry for another question but last one
fav VA performance?

this channel is chill af i love it

[peak escarp]

performance-wise, Moira is my favourite

I just love her voice

she makes me feel like an idiot and I don't even mind

[worthy rose]

ayyy same brother

moira and soldier are my first picks

[peak escarp]

brother

[worthy rose]

oh no

ayy same sista

😳

reaper is a solid third place

dumbass voice modulator and I love it

[peak escarp]

and of course I love Cassidy

Matt Mercer is perfection

[tidal jetty]

i want a doomfist cinematic

[worthy rose]

Oh yeah I've really taken a liking to Doom's VA

his "that's better" line after he gets a health pack

omg you know whoever fight shim next is going to die

i love him

[peak escarp]

he's got real charisma and power

[worthy rose]

he really does

Ill get his formal skin if it's the last thing i do haha

[tidal jetty]

im glad terry didnt va him

despite how much people wanted it

he wouldnt have suited him as well as Sahr Ngaujah

[peak escarp]

yeah

[worthy rose]

it wouldnt have been doomfirst

wouldve been terry but...punchy

Doom is so imposing it's amazing

like he really is a leader it's awesome

[limber gate]

so Soldier thinks Winston won't make it work?

[peak escarp]

he thinks they'll just be targets again

[limber gate]

winston did rush through the decision

[past copper]

Honestly, fav VA is Sombra

I just enjoy how she either talks down to others

Or acts playful

While being an all around deadly killer and genius hacker

[worthy rose]

she is amazing

[past copper]

Also love that classic interaction

D.Va: Ooh, I can't stand you hackers. You give those of us with skill a bad name.
Sombra: You know that isn't the kind of hacking I do, right?

[meager iron]

Does Omnics actually have souls

[peak escarp]

do humans?

[meager iron]

Yeah

But do Omnics?

They were built they weren't born at birth

[peak escarp]

it depends what you believe a soul is

[meager iron]

Echo, Orisa, Bastion, Zenyatta

These guys

They don't have souls

They don't feel real emotion

No real memories

[peak escarp]

don't they?

what are memories but a record of data

what are emotions but chemical signals

[tidal jetty]

you could argue if humans have souls

what proves that we have souls and they dont

[meager iron]

Then again they were programmed to feel emotions

[tidal jetty]

evolution programmed us to feel emotions

[peak escarp]

how do you know you aren't programmed to feel emotions?

[meager iron]

It's true but

These Omnics they were built

By humans. Us

[peak escarp]

so?

[meager iron]

With metal and computers

[peak escarp]

why can't something built have a soul?

[meager iron]

Because they do not have a heart to feel

A brain to think

[peak escarp]

your heart doesn't feel, it pumps blood

[meager iron]

I mean creatures such as wolves cats humans they all have brains and heart

[peak escarp]

a computer thinks just as well as a brain

[meager iron]

Yes but us humans we programmed the computer

[peak escarp]

so humans gave them a soul

[meager iron]

How so?

[limber gate]

what defines as having a soul?

compassion? empathy?

cause otherwise reaper and so wouldn't technically have a soul

[peak escarp]

https://youtu.be/Lvm0of3iDUU

"So I rebuilt you - upgraded your programming, and gave you a heart."

whether omnics have a soul or not is a philosophical question

just like whether humans have a soul or not

there is no tangible evidence of a "soul"

[past copper]

Bro, if you’re going to dig into Omnics and humans having souls you might as well ask if the world is a simulation

Basically, people believe in whatever they want regardless of what others think

[meager iron]

Hmmmm

[past copper]

Do robots have souls? Do humans have souls? Is the world real or just a hologram?

[meager iron]

They are made of just 0's and 1's

[past copper]

Yea and science says we were made from microscopic organisms while religion says various other things

If Omnics believe they have souls like humans, well congratulations

That way of thinking means they aren’t that different from us

[meager iron]

Man if Omnics were real rn I would love them to talk here so we can have a conversation with it

[past copper]

Umm. Technically, there was an AI like an Omnic that existed, but there’s a tragic ending to it

[meager iron]

Uh

What

[past copper]

There was an experimental AI plane years ago that became self-aware and it’s first thought was to destroy itself, which it did

This is unrelated to Overwatch though. So…

[peak escarp]

not exactly

https://www.roboticsbusinessreview.com/rbr/robot_achieves_self_awareness_is_quickly_turned_off_and_dies/

[tidal jetty]

you cant even prove humans have a soul

letalone monics

omnics

[past copper]

That wasn’t the AI I heard about. I don’t remember where I heard it, but I think it was an episode of The Unexplained with William Shatner

Also, kinda think what humans and Omnics believe in is more or less similar to Animism

Animism (from Latin: anima, 'breath, spirit, life') is the belief that objects, places, and creatures all possess a distinct spiritual essence.

[meager iron]

It's partly related to overwatch because Omnics and robots

[proud shoal]

innit

with genji and hanzo fighting

[proud shoal]

why does genji only have one dragon whereas hanzo has two

[worthy rose]

Don't think theres a reason. Afaik Its never explained

[edgy relic]

Hanzo is the first born?

[limpid agate]

Yes

[edgy relic]

I just read the article. At the bottom, they said it was an April Fool's joke. https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2013/01/28/170272582/do-we-treat-our-gadgets-like-they-re-human/

[peak escarp]

well anyway

[edgy relic]

So, I guess the point is that the robot didn't actually achieve self-awareness.

[peak escarp]

toddlers aren't even self aware until they're 2-3 years old

[past copper]

Not seeing where it says prank, but whatever. Really wouldn’t shock me

[peak escarp]

does that mean they don't have souls before that?

[proud shoal]

does genji have one nipple

[edgy relic]

"(Happy April Fool’s Day! In fact, the video was from an experiment to see how long humans would hesitate in this situation.)"

[peak escarp]

so instead of proving that the computer had a soul, they proved that the participant lacked one

[edgy relic]

Metaphorically. But all participants eventually did shut off the robot, it was just a matter of how long it took them.

[past copper]

Actually, I think it proved that people will hesitate to harm a life

It would be hard to harm another or even end another life

Even if that life is in the form a machine

[tidal jetty]

life != a soul

everything that has a soul is alive

(assuming souls exist)

but depending on the definition of a soul, everything alive may not have a soul

[edgy relic]

Robots are not alive in the scientific sense.

[tidal jetty]

why not?

they can follow M.R.S.C.G.R.E.N

[iron plume]

well, nutrition/excretion/respiration are kind of questionable when you run on electricity but yes

but it doesn't really matter what's "alive" from a biological standpoint
Omnics are sapient

[tidal jetty]

nutrition and excretion can be explained with cars though

[limpid agate]

https://twitter.com/PlayOverwatch/status/1495443206439321602

Overwatch (@PlayOverwatch)

The reckoning draws near. ☠️

Reaper's Code of Violence begins Feb 22. https://t.co/KQoahGbf3w

▶ Play video

Twitter · Feb 20, 2022, 5:00 PM

Reaper Short Story drops this week

[worthy rose]

w/e about fucking time for some content

[peak escarp]

if you consider this content, then we just finished getting content

you can't say "about fucking time"

[worthy rose]

i just want more stuff man

[opaque tundra]

I can tell this short story is gonna be ~spicy~

[worthy rose]

since all Blizz has been lately is empty promises

it feels like

or lip work

[limpid agate]

If your argument for content is skin events, we just had Year of the Tiger

[peak escarp]

what have they promised?

[limpid agate]

If your argument for content is lore drops, we just got New Blood #4

This is one of the smaller gaps between new releases

[worthy rose]

...im getting schooled I apologize

i was aggressive for no reason

New short story -esp reaper- is super cool

[limpid agate]

This is also the final short story for Overwatch 1.

Or at least its implied to be

[worthy rose]

That's pretty cool

Sooo

How do you guys feel about Reaper lore-wise?

or ig his role in the story so far

[opaque tundra]

We don't have enough Reaper lore in my opinion and I'm really curious about what the short story will reveal

[peak escarp]

I hope we learn his reasoning for betraying Overwatch and joining Talon

[worthy rose]

true true

Also

[limpid agate]

It should be that

[worthy rose]

Code of Violence is a great title

[limpid agate]

It has been a big mystery for years now

At launch we had an explanation, being what people believed in universe

That it was jealousy

[worthy rose]

I thought he was in an explosion and thought to be dead
Moira saved him (albeit as a wraith) and now he just fights for them

[limpid agate]

Then we learned that wasn't the case

And we had Retribution, which goes further to show that its against the motivation

So now its an enigma

[peak escarp]

that answers how he became Reaper

[limpid agate]

All we know is that he wants revenge

[peak escarp]

but not why

[limpid agate]

And we dont know why

[opaque tundra]

My guess based on the title is that it could tie into his morals

[limpid agate]

Well, yeah

[worthy rose]

I wonder if OW2 is gonna add any credibvility to Reaper
Like Doomfist is imposing and you know he has power
Widow has killed

Has Reaper killed anyone highs attus yet/

[limpid agate]

Yes

Antonio

[worthy rose]

oh

bah

[limpid agate]

He also killed many Overwatch agents off screen

[worthy rose]

I need to actually look at the lore before talking out of my butt

[opaque tundra]

Implied the Russian guards

[limpid agate]

And he won a duel with a mech in Sombra's short

[worthy rose]

niiice

[cosmic crest]

I always thought Reyes felt Overwatch was the cause of everything that went wrong in his life. So he became a serial killer who targets former Overwatch agents.

But that's post Swiss HQ explosion, I'd like to know what motivated him to betray Overwatch before that. It seems to me he grew increasingly spiteful towards Morrison and his leadership over time, the "death" of Ana only worsening things. But I'd like to know what the final nail in the coffin was.

[peak escarp]

there had to have been a tipping point

[cosmic crest]

I used to think it could've been Ana's death. But that probably isn't it.

[peak escarp]

you can see the tension building between them over the three missions we got for Archives

[opaque tundra]

I bet it's something simple like overwatch straight up fires Reyes and he throws a temper tantrum

[peak escarp]

Uprising:

Storm Rising:

Morrison was struggling to hold Overwatch together amidst controversy (partially caused by Reyes himself) and the UN investigation

that kind of stress definitely strained their friendship

[opaque tundra]

I'm kinda curious, where do you keep all your lore references? Like comic panels and voice lines that you pull up sometimes. Do you have a database or a vault

[peak escarp]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BFYjC78shFuhpu4Fm0l99qKQznIc7lPouQaikD5YvkY/edit?usp=sharing

I use this database for quick links, but a lot of it I have memorized just from how often I talk about it

[opaque tundra]

Aahhh ok

[peak escarp]

I'm shit at most things, but Overwatch lore is my jam

[iron plume]

I mean that first part is also true with Mercy

managed not to go killing people tho

[cosmic crest]

Huh, I guess that's sort of true.

[worthy rose]

How old are they in Uprising?

If Soldier is early to mid 50s now

Thats something Ielse I love about OW

D.va is the youngest human character and she's 19

everyone else is badass middle age to older

you dont see that often

imo

[peak escarp]

Reyes was 50 during Retribution

so 51 during Uprising

[earnest hemlock]

oh retribution is earlier than uprising?

[peak escarp]

rough timeline of the last 15 years:
-15: Mercy joins Overwatch
-12: Hanzo almost kills Genji, Genji is saved by Overwatch
-9: Ecopoint Antarctica is hit by a polar storm, Mei's team goes into cryostasis
-8: Retribution/Slipstream incident
-7: Uprising
-6: Storm Rising/Ana goes MIA/Jack and Gabe fight and blow up the HQ
-5: Overwatch disbanded
0: Recall
+1: Zero Hour

for someone who has appeared in a lot of lore, we don't actually know much about Reaper

[earnest hemlock]

Is New Blood taking place around the same time as Recall then?

[peak escarp]

roughly

[limpid agate]

It takes place closer to Zero Hour

Which is a year after

[earnest hemlock]

ah

[limpid agate]

It starts off shortly after Christmas that year

And as of issue #4, is at Zero Hour

[earnest hemlock]

ah alr

[limpid agate]

Why isn't Reunion 1 year earlier

Setting the time for Recall/Alive to March

You already have the times for those set to that month

[peak escarp]

Reunion happens right before New Blood, New Blood happens during Zero Hour

I dont think Cassidy spent a year tracking them all down

and Echo probably went directly from Arizona to Paris

[limpid agate]

But that also raises a different problem with Ana

[peak escarp]

which is?

[limpid agate]

“Gabriel was here. We have to follow him,” Jack said.
...
“Idealism is for the young, Angela,” she said. “Try not to judge us too harshly.
Once people call you a hero, it’s hard to put the mantle down.” She smiled sadly.
There was nothing left to say. Eventually, she patted my shoulder gently, and then
she was gone, too, swallowed by the darkness.

I had never been good at goodbyes, despite my life being filled with them,
both said and unsaid. The unsaid ones were the most common, and the ones that
haunted me the most. Now that I had a second chance to say goodbye to them, I
couldn’t find the words. I’d said farewell at their graves, and that felt more final than
seeing them leave now. I didn’t think that I would see them again. ```

They left Egypt

Meanwhile in New Blood

!!newblood

[twilit nacelle]

Cassidy - New Blood:
#1: https://bit.ly/3wJqcnL
#2: https://bit.ly/3ejXkd0
#3: https://bit.ly/3fbBwB3
#4: https://bit.ly/3B9zLOE
#5: March

[peak escarp]

maybe Jack went ahead, or they didn't leave right away

[limpid agate]

This is 4 months

3-4 months

[peak escarp]

or Ana came back

idk, I'm just piecing together what makes sense to me

[limpid agate]

Is there anything in New Blood that says Jack is there

Yeah there is

It is after Old Soldiers minimum

After Valkyrie, there's a picture of Pharah saving the kid

[limpid agate]

Yeah already got that. And this sets it to after Valkyrie

The timeline is a mess overall

[peak escarp]

yeah

things happen slower than they should, or faster

I do my best to make sense of it

if it was up to me I'd clean it up

[worthy rose]

Ye i think so

oh i forgot to sctoll

[crystal jolt]

I want a new archive mission for the next event

with other heroes

[limpid agate]

Literally not gonna happen

That's why OW2 is being made

[crystal jolt]

Yes I know but... 2023

[limpid agate]

Who said anything about 2023

[peak escarp]

the Archives missions were chosen to tell a specific story

they're not making any more

[worn island]

So wait, will the new reaper event have a comic/short story?

[cosmic crest]

Yes

[iron plume]

short story, specifically

[worn island]

Very cool

[worthy rose]

oh i thought that was gonna be in october?

• the reaper comic

[past copper]

Nope. It’s an event and comic coming in 2 days

And if it really is the final to OW1, then I think that means great news for OW2

[proud shoal]

what’s reaper event

[past copper]

Reaper’s Code of Violence Challenge limited time event this Feb. 22

[lavish cradle]

Can't wait!

[karmic hornet]

Soliders getting old he could join winston at the end and sacrifice himself

[limpid agate]

That doesn't make sense

Soldier is against Winston's Overwatch

He wouldn't sacrifice himself for it

[worthy rose]

Yeah, while I do think Soldier and Reaper have a chance at dying

I don't think either would sacrifice themself

its very unlikely that a playable hero will die

they said they can though

i believe someone will at some point in ow2

maybe a bot who can be repaired

doubtful

or heavily injured and presumed dead, like soldier, reaper, genji, ana have all done in the past

[limpid agate]

Of course they are gonna say that

Its the only way to make viewers think stakes exist

They arent going to kill off any heroes in any permanent capacity

[worthy rose]

you guys don't know for sure

simple as that

[limpid agate]

League is another world where they say they can kill heroes off, and did a fake out where they "killed off" Gangplank. They didn't.

The game is an optimistic game about heroes

Where every character is the hero of their own story

The heroes are why the game exists

They're not going to kill one of them off.

People who ask for character death don't understand how permanent the rammifications of that is.

[nova sphinx]

Kill genji. Tired of genji mains throwing in my games

[limpid agate]

Again

Not gonna happen

If they did kill the character, that wouldnt remove them from the game

It would remove them, permanently from all future lore developments

I fully expect that the only way Blizzard is killing off a hero is if their VA dies.

Which also is a door left open by them saying "we are open to killing off a hero"

If Aysha Selim or Fred Tatasciore die, they will at the very least consider killing off Ana or Soldier, as an example.

[north pond]

they should kill doomfist ngl

i dont see his importance in the lore

[limpid agate]

He is literally the main villain

[worthy rose]

Fr. He just feels useless rn

No lore about him atm

[north pond]

like yeah hes the big bad but like why him

i dont see the logic behind it

[limpid agate]

We have a lot of lore about him

[nova sphinx]

Yeh doom mains ruin my games. Kill him off

[north pond]

that too

smh

honestly feels like doom is just poorly written

[worthy rose]

Why did they choose doomfist as the villain

[north pond]

exactly

its so stupid

[limpid agate]

What

[worthy rose]

Wouldve made more sense if it was widow

[limpid agate]

No it wouldn't.

Widowmaker isn't one of the leaders of Talon, the main antagonistic organization.

Doomfist is.

So much so that his ambition has allowed to him to take control of the organization overall and direct it over the rest of the leadership

[north pond]

i prefer a turn of events like idk hanzo being the leader of talon or something

[worthy rose]

Like widows husband dies because of talon. So she should be against them

[north pond]

i just dont like doom's writing

it feels forced

very out of place.

[limpid agate]

How can it possibly feel forced or out of place.

Hanzo would be forced and out of place

Because having a role in Talon goes against everything his character stands for

[north pond]

yeah but character twists are like that most of the time

it's usually the person you least expect

[limpid agate]

That's terrible writing

[north pond]

doom's character just yells "yeah this is the bad guy obviously pft"

[worthy rose]

Doomfist just seems so random

[limpid agate]

He literally isnt random.

[nova sphinx]

Brig could join talon

[limpid agate]

!!shitposting

[twilit nacelle]

Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[worthy rose]

Ehh

[north pond]

im being fr rn

[worthy rose]

Idk bout brig

[north pond]

im stating my opinions on doom

[worthy rose]

That doesn't sound like something she would ever do

[nova sphinx]

You right

But would be wild if she did

[north pond]

exactly

[nova sphinx]

Villain arc

[worthy rose]

Eh wouldn't matter much to me. I don't really care much about her

[limpid agate]

It would matter

Again

That goes against her entire character

[north pond]

tracer being talon seems pretty cool, edgy tracer

[worthy rose]

We already have Reaper

No need for another edgelord

[limpid agate]

Can we please not just spew out random crack ideas that have no base in the lore. Please.

This is a serious discussion channel, not a meme channel to talk about Talon Tracer.

[nova sphinx]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dexerto.com/overwatch/overwatch-design-shows-brigitte-would-be-perfect-villain-1188708/%3Famp

Just for the curio’s

[limpid agate]

That is a dead link to an article that I'm pretty sure is about some non-canon fan art

Not even a real Blizzard concept

No, she wouldn't be the perfect villain

Just because people don't like playing against a hero doesn't make them a villain,. Gameplay != Lore.

[nova sphinx]

This is all concept

[limpid agate]

Fan concept

Not lore.

[nova sphinx]

I’m not speaking in facts

[limpid agate]

This is lore discussion

!!loreonly

[twilit nacelle]

This channel is for serious discussion strictly related to the lore of Overwatch. Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[nova sphinx]

I’m message mod mail and ask for an appropriate channel to discuss fan concepts

[north pond]

me neither, im just discussing the "what ifs" since i dont think itd be best if i talked abt stuff like this in #overwatch

[nova sphinx]

I only trust moderators

[limpid agate]

You can discuss fan concepts in #overwatch

[nova sphinx]

Thanks. I’ll also ask mod mail

For direction

[worthy rose]

I wonder if Moira has anything in the lore for the future

[limpid agate]

She will.

[worthy rose]

Like what

[limpid agate]

She is a leader of Talon for starters, so she always has an immediate reason to have a presence.

She will also likely be in the Reaper short story.

Which comes out Tuesday

[worthy rose]

Since when was she the leader

Was it not doom

[limpid agate]

A leader

There is a council of leaders

Among them are Doomfist, Reaper, Moira, Maximilien, and Sanjay Korpal

Plus others we havent met yet

Doomfist is the one who acts as the leader over them all

Mostly out of his ambition and charisma.

And strength.

We saw in Masquerade that he just straight up killed one of the other members of the council who went against his wishes

[worthy rose]

So doom is the leader cause he is big and strong

[limpid agate]

Not just because of his strength

But also because he has ambition and goals.

And he also has the charisma to back it up

[worthy rose]

What goals exactly

Did he specify

[limpid agate]

His goal is to start a global crisis, because humanity grows stronger in times of crisis. In this case, he is starting a new omnic crisis with Null Sector so that humanity can grow stronger from the war.

[nova sphinx]

I like it

I side with the villains sometimes

[limber gate]

who do you hate more

sombra or mercy

[cerulean pilot]

Lore wise? Or what do you mean

[nova sphinx]

This is lore discussion 😇

I don’t hate either. But I like Sombra more (when thinking about lore)

[limber gate]

oh f*ck

wrong channel kek

I'm sorry

[worthy rose]

I don't hate either but I prefer Mercy

[topaz ledge]

How much do we know about the other MEKA piltos currently?

[grand wedge]

Their names and their faces, and their mech

Here are the concept art for them https://www.artstation.com/artwork/G81a0Q

[topaz ledge]

thx

[earnest hemlock]

that short story is really good

[iron plume]

yea

I liked it more than I expected to

[short eagle]

||finally the first real lore appearance of sigma ||

[past copper]

Great to see this scene expanded on

[sly cypress]

https://playoverwatch.com/en-gb/media/stories/code-of-violence/

code of violence law

[worthy rose]

this art is so fuckin top tier

[past copper]

True. Most art in Overwatch is

What event is next? It’s the Archives Event, right?

[cosmic crest]

Yes

[past copper]

Ah. Then I already see a potential skin

[cosmic crest]

Kind of already a skin.

[past copper]

Moira’s Talon uniform

[cosmic crest]

That's her Blackwatch uniform.

[past copper]

No. You’re thinking of her Blackwatch skin

[cosmic crest]

Yes, that's it.

It has less white on it in game.

[past copper]

Which might actually be where she redesigned the uniform upon joining Talon

[cosmic crest]

You can clearly see the Blackwatch logo on her shoulder.

[past copper]

Someone showed what Moira’s Talon uniform would look like next to her Blackwatch skin

[cosmic crest]

Why would she use the same uniform for Talon?

[past copper]

Not sure. Why would her uniform look different in Blackwatch?

Honestly, I’m grasping at straws. I don’t have any idea what, if anything, they’ve got planned for Archives

Last years skins were more based on historical cultures rather than the actual era in Overwatch

[dark lichen]

I'm actually surprised they did that, there's so many outfits shown off in the comics and cinematics that can totally be their own skin, perhaps the concept artists just went ham with a bunch of designs for 'ye olden time' skins.

Anyways; yeah that Reaper story was really good, the thing that comics can't do as well as novels is that you can do so much more internal dialogue, giving us a greater in-depth view of Reaper's character.

[past copper]

True. Also like that we got more character lore on Reaper. And a few others…

[dark lichen]

It's awesome to see ||Sigma|| get their first introduction outside of their reveal trailer, even though they were more of a background character/plot device.

[past copper]

Also, looking back now, that uniform of Moira’s might be her Talon uniform, but redesigned after Blackwatch

That would explain the BW logo, but the Talon colors

[dark lichen]

I really hope we get more Moira content. (in game and lore). She's such an interesting character that I'd argue is perhaps a bigger villain than Doomfist. While Doomfist hopes that his goals benefit everyone in the end, Moira just exploits people of their resources and money just so she can fuel her (immoral) research. Like, she's probably the 'truest' evil character out of the Overwatch Universe.

[cosmic crest]

That's not how uniforms work.

[limpid agate]

!!loreNewest

[twilit nacelle]

Code of Violence is the latest Overwatch short story, diving into the origins of the Reaper!

Read it here:
https://playoverwatch.com/en-us/media/stories/code-of-violence/

[limpid agate]

It looks like Reaper's motivations for joining Talon are... Mostly the same as Jack's motivations for his own crusade.

They are both trying to fight for revenge in the name of their own form of justice because of corruption in the organizations that were meant to be helping people.

The timelining of this seems odd. Doomfist gave the mission, but he should still be in jail at this point

[dark lichen]

Yeah, it's really cool dynamic. One becomes a vigilante, and another becomes; as Ana put it: "A homicidal murderer".

But yeah, the timeline of all the events are a little jank..

[past copper]

Looking forward to that event tomorrow. The story hyped me up, but Reaper’s skin looks sick

[worthy rose]

indeed

I really love Overwatch

[past copper]

I knew there was a reason behind the image when the event was first announced

Artists don’t make specific character images for nothing

[limpid agate]

I mean

We knew this short story was coming

It was revealed months in advance

[past copper]

Yeah, but the mask looked like Reaper’s regular mask

Or what little we saw of it

I was referring to the red emblem under Code of Violence

I had wondered why the image looked like that and then thought it’s a skin for coming event

[limpid agate]

It doesn't.

Reaper's regular mask doesn't have the round parts

Which we now know are ventilators

[past copper]

That certainly looks cool for Reaper

Not gone lie, it almost makes me wish that was his OW2 new look

[worthy rose]

That looks so cool! Can't wait for this event

[limpid agate]

Its tomorrow.

[past copper]

||I certainly like the realism they used in Sombra’s EMP. Sending an arc instead of an all around burst ||

[opaque scroll]

Didnt they say he was still behind bars in the story?

[limpid agate]

No.

But he should be.

This story reads as though its one of Reaper's first missions for Talon

Yet come Masquerade, he is already sitting on the council of leaders and has done multiple missions alongside Widowmaker.

Likewise, this reads as though he is meeting Sombra for the first time

Yet he breaks Doomfist out of jail after the events of Infiltration

Likewise, Doomfist is arrest before the Swiss HQ incident

This story takes place after it

Yet in this story, Doomfist is giving Reaper a mission brief

It doesn't make sense in the timeline

[opaque scroll]

New accommodations... where is doom even supposed to be there

[worthy rose]

Man

unrelayted but

I think lore content webcomic short story wise

I am LOVING Junkrat and Hog the most

[grand wedge]

Maybe Doomfist can give orders from the prison

[worthy rose]

can u guys do me a huge favor

https://www.amazon.com/Overwatch-Anthology-1-BLIZZARD-ENTERTAINMENT/dp/1506705405

if I bought this what lore would I be missing out on

Aside from the cinematics obv

[hexed crypt]

where jewvia

i have lore to discuss

so reaper is now a justice man lol??

shoots jack in the back, talks about being fucked over

??

[past copper]

I think Doomfist is in prison, but as he himself pointed out, justice is corrupted

He could easily have people on the inside who help to get his orders out to Talon

Otherwise, Talon probably would’ve fallen apart without his leadership

And yes’m if that were the case, why didn’t they break him out sooner?

[cedar prawn]

Word now im interested

[past copper]

Eh. I just thought maybe it was Doomfist’s plan after being imprisoned to give the world a false sense of security while secretly giving orders from prison

He’d already planted the seed of doubt in Reyes’ head and Overwatch was slowly falling apart and his imprisonment would’ve given the world a false sense of security until he escaped

Basically, all Doomfist really had to do was wait and watch until the time was right

That’s my impression anyway

[worthy rose]

Doom is so fucking good

[iron plume]

I mean not really

He believes it, doesn't mean it's true

[worthy rose]

What’s the lore about reapers challenge skin? Is it supposed to be like a talon kind of skin?

we dont know the name of the skin yet do we?

cause if we did it would just be called Talon

[limpid agate]

!!lorenewest

[twilit nacelle]

Code of Violence is the latest Overwatch short story, diving into the origins of the Reaper!

Read it here:
https://playoverwatch.com/en-us/media/stories/code-of-violence/

[limpid agate]

Could be

[worthy rose]

Guessing reaper won’t get a skin for archives cause this skin is already for the lore

[past copper]

I think it might actually be Reaper’s Talon skin. Makes sense. He’s the only Talon Hero who’s not gotten a “Talon skin”

[peak escarp]

what about Moira

[past copper]

That said, it could very be something else like Stealth, but it’s hard to say

And yes, Moira doesn’t have one either, but that’s something I pointed out earlier

I just think that’s her Talon skin, because of the color scheme and the fact she looks like she’s got horns

[peak escarp]

that scene takes place while she's in Blackwatch

that's just her Blackwatch skin with horns

[past copper]

It’s hard to say that considering Reyes seemed to be surprised being able to turn into smoke at will, but then again, Idk

[worthy rose]

I always thought Archives was a weird idea for a skin event

Like...

[peak escarp]

how is it hard to say that

[worthy rose]

arent they gonna run out at some point

[peak escarp]

it's the beginning of him having wraith powers

[past copper]

In the story, it seemed like the first time he turned into smoke. In Moira’s origin, it shows him doing it for the first time

[peak escarp]

this mission wasnt the first time

Moira had already been treating him long before the Swiss HQ explosion (this story is set a year after that)

the image from Moira's origin is the first time he experienced the smoke

[past copper]

Ok

I’ll say this though, glad to finally get some explanation on part of this

Honestly sadder than I had thought, but can dig it

[cedar prawn]

Its really sad imo

Especially the parts when Gabe was thinking of her

Saying that she wouldn't even recognize him anymore

[past copper]

Really opens your eyes to what kind of person Reaper is

He’s more complex then people thought

[cedar prawn]

Tbh I've always enjoyed Reaper alot

I've always felt like he was complex

Also damn Doom is so good with words

[past copper]

Yup. I always said Doom had to have planted the seed of doubt in Reyes mind to make him turn on his comrades and everything they worked so hard for

Though, I honestly didn’t know Reyes had a deeper backstory then we ever knew

Being a ||cop|| then a soldier and an agent of Overwatch who believed in justice above all else

Only for Doom to open his eyes to the reality of what happens to justice

[peak escarp]

too bad every system has failed to bring justice to those who deserve it

[cedar prawn]

America justice system

Also i liked seeing reaper and sombra relationship

Really liked how they were about to kill eachother

[past copper]

Same. Also love that Sombra’s Talon skin officially canon now and not just for the Archives

[cedar prawn]

Also i did not expect to see fucking sigma

[past copper]

True. That explains a lot about Reaper’s first mission for Talon. Or at the least biggest mission

[cedar prawn]

Also i REALLY think there should be a story about Widow and Reaper since well gerard

[past copper]

I wonder what phase of their plan requires Sigma? It can’t be anything good, that’s for sure

[cedar prawn]

We don't know sigma true extent of his power but jesus fuck sigma is insanely strong

[worthy rose]

i love OW

[past copper]

True. Also, this whole story is just giving me “Reaper will turn on Doomfist” vibes

[worthy rose]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[past copper]

In Overwatch 2

[cedar prawn]

Oh yeah 100% this is so easy to tell

He litteraly imagined his wife telling him "This isn't who you are you can leave this life"

[past copper]

I doubt he’ll be allowed to roam free once everything is said and done, but at least he’ll probably be allowed to see his family again

Probably behind bars or something, but at least he’ll no doubt do what’s right

[peak escarp]

this was 5 years ago

he has sunk further into his revenge since then

[cedar prawn]

He does seem more moody

[peak escarp]

he's beyond saving by this point

[past copper]

Maybe, but you never know. Sometimes, there’s always that very slim chance of redemption

[worthy rose]

bah i dont want redemption

[cedar prawn]

Reaper is most likely supposed to be the tragic character

[past copper]

Though, I just hope it’s not a play on Darth Vader destroying Palpatine

[cedar prawn]

He fucking decks doom

[peak escarp]

I don't think Reyes wants redemption either

[worthy rose]

also sidenote

[peak escarp]

he wants vengeance

[worthy rose]

i love the name gabriel reyes

it just fiits man

so good

[cedar prawn]

^^ this story made reaper less like

Comic book villain like

[past copper]

I’m not saying he wants redemption. He wanted to bring true justice to those who deserve it, but Doomfist opened his eyes to reality and he slowly drifted down a dark road to obtain it

Right now, his mind is clouded by darkness, but somewhere in that darkness, there’s that spark that could redeem him

After all, he clearly hasn’t let go of his family in Reflections despite what he thinks of himself in Code of Violence

[peak escarp]

I'm satisfied with the explanation for Reyes's turn

[worthy rose]

The worst thing about Reyes before was like

idk

how to word it

[peak escarp]

I'm glad he's not brainwashed or a double agent or something dumb like that

[worthy rose]

lacroix 2.0

bah

she has her own story to tell

[past copper]

Like I said. Doom had to have manipulated him in some way

[peak escarp]

Doomfist does have a good point though - the system rewards the wrong people

[worthy rose]

I love Doom

[cedar prawn]

The only people i can see turning on Talon is like

Sigma or Widow

[worthy rose]

He and Moira are quickly growing into my fav characters

Talon in general is so fucking GOOD

[peak escarp]

if Sigma ever got his shit together and realized what they were doing

[past copper]

Funny thing is. It’s people exactly like Akande who corrupt the system. Bending and twisting it to their own means through manipulation, money, and power

[cedar prawn]

Sombra has basically been fucking talon over a bit

She was never truly loyal

[peak escarp]

Sombra's just using Talon

she's pretty up front about that

[past copper]

True. That’s why Reaper is the one keeping tabs on her at all times

[worthy rose]

what's doom's surname?

[past copper]

And as he’s shown, he’s more than capable of eliminating her if need be

[worthy rose]

does he have one?

i remember rading something about him being like

a reincarnation?

icr its vague af

[past copper]

Doomfist — Akande Ogundimu

[limpid agate]

It's not vague

And it's not a reincarnation

[worthy rose]

i mean my memory of it >_>

[limpid agate]

Its a generational name for the holder of the gauntlet