#lore-discussion | Overwatch | Page 632

neon aurora Feb 9, 2022, 2:27 AM

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D.Va is a scientist confirmed.

high light Feb 9, 2022, 2:28 AM

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lol

peak escarp Feb 9, 2022, 2:28 AM

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she's not an engineer

neon aurora Feb 9, 2022, 2:28 AM

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Dae-hyun is

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i know

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AFrog

peak escarp Feb 9, 2022, 2:28 AM

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Daehyun isnt either

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he's a mechanic

neon aurora Feb 9, 2022, 2:28 AM

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1 sec

neon aurora Feb 9, 2022, 2:28 AM

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peak escarp he's a mechanic

u right

peak escarp Feb 9, 2022, 2:29 AM

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of course I'm right

neon aurora Feb 9, 2022, 2:30 AM

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peak escarp of course I'm right

based

high light Feb 9, 2022, 2:30 AM

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also, in the origin story video of sigma, there was some shooting going on

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reaper, widow, moira

neon aurora Feb 9, 2022, 2:31 AM

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high light also, in the origin story video of sigma, there was some shooting going on

that was talon

peak escarp Feb 9, 2022, 2:31 AM

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they broke him out

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stole him for their own uses

high light Feb 9, 2022, 2:31 AM

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i'm confused by one thing though

high light Feb 9, 2022, 2:31 AM

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high light reaper, widow, moira

my friend told me these characters were in blackwatch too

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and i'm confused

peak escarp Feb 9, 2022, 2:31 AM

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Reaper and Moira were

high light Feb 9, 2022, 2:31 AM

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how are they members of 2 groups

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or

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how is it cause

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idk

peak escarp Feb 9, 2022, 2:32 AM

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then Overwatch fell

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and they joined Talon

high light Feb 9, 2022, 2:32 AM

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so, first was blackwatch, then after the fall of overwatch, only talon existed?

peak escarp Feb 9, 2022, 2:32 AM

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yes

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Blackwatch was part of Overwatch

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their black ops division

high light Feb 9, 2022, 2:33 AM

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i heard blackwatch was the opposite of overwatch

peak escarp Feb 9, 2022, 2:33 AM

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no

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Blackwatch did assassinations, espionage, torture, but they were still good guys

high light Feb 9, 2022, 2:34 AM

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ah, doing bad things for better tommorrow

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i like it

peak escarp Feb 9, 2022, 2:34 AM

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Talon are straight up terrorists

high light Feb 9, 2022, 2:35 AM

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they have to have some motives though

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to do what they do

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like, their objective

peak escarp Feb 9, 2022, 2:35 AM

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they cause chaos and suffering for their own ends

high light Feb 9, 2022, 2:35 AM

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of their actions

peak escarp Feb 9, 2022, 2:35 AM

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not for the betterment of society

high light Feb 9, 2022, 2:35 AM

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are they just "we bad cus yes"?

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or they have an actual reason

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why they do

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what they do

peak escarp Feb 9, 2022, 2:37 AM

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mostly for money

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Doomfist wants to start a war to force humanity to evolve
Moira wants to experiment on people to push science
Maximilien wants money
Sanjay wants control
Reaper wants to kill Overwatch

high light Feb 9, 2022, 2:38 AM

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who's maximilien and sanjay

peak escarp Feb 9, 2022, 2:39 AM

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Sanjay on the left - he's Symmetra's boss and a Vishkar exec

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Maximilien in the middle - he was the target in the Storm Rising mission

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they're all Talon leaders

high light Feb 9, 2022, 2:39 AM

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didn't reaper got so angry just because soldier 76 was the one getting all the glory and he was just jealous?

peak escarp Feb 9, 2022, 2:40 AM

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not exactly

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they were good friends, Reyes didn't care that Morrison got promoted over him

static belfry Feb 9, 2022, 2:40 AM

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theres actually a lot of stuff thats unclear to me regarding reaper's background

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as in why he chose to join talon

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why the sudden change in personality

high light Feb 9, 2022, 2:41 AM

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maybe because of moira?

peak escarp Feb 9, 2022, 2:41 AM

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but Morrison was always covering for him (because of Blackwatch)

high light Feb 9, 2022, 2:41 AM

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idk

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i heard moira experimented on reaper

peak escarp Feb 9, 2022, 2:41 AM

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she did

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she's the reason he has wraith powers

high light Feb 9, 2022, 2:42 AM

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so, canonically, he can't be hit by bullets because well

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he's a wraith

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kind of

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right?

peak escarp Feb 9, 2022, 2:43 AM

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if he's corporeal he can be hit

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but if he goes into his smoke form, he can't

static belfry Feb 9, 2022, 2:44 AM

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did the wraith powers change his personality tho

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like make him more aggressive

peak escarp Feb 9, 2022, 2:44 AM

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we don't really know

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I think they did, but that theory hasn't been proven

high light Feb 9, 2022, 2:44 AM

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maybe he got insane because of his powers he got like sigma?

peak escarp Feb 9, 2022, 2:44 AM

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he certainly seemed more impulsive/aggressive in Retribution

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when he blasted Antonio out the window rather than take him hostage

high light Feb 9, 2022, 2:45 AM

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bro i feel so dumb just because idk what you're talking about

high light Feb 9, 2022, 2:45 AM

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peak escarp when he blasted Antonio out the window rather than take him hostage

who's antonio and why he kill him or something

peak escarp Feb 9, 2022, 2:46 AM

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high light who's antonio and why he kill him or something

https://youtu.be/uRriA5X7Epw

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Acing At Gaming

*NEW* Overwatch Retribution- ALL CUT SCENES

Blackwatch heads to Venice to deal with a new threat.

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Antonio was a Talon boss that they had planned to capture and interrogate to find out who had ties to Talon . . . but Reyes shotgunned him in the face instead, forcing the Blackwatch team to have to fight their way out of Venice

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this is from the Archives event, which should be returning in April

high light Feb 9, 2022, 2:48 AM

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so they were supposed to get info from him but reaper decided "nah, screw that yo" and just shot his face?

peak escarp Feb 9, 2022, 2:49 AM

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yep

high light Feb 9, 2022, 2:49 AM

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what's cree doin in blackwatch though?

peak escarp Feb 9, 2022, 2:49 AM

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it was a very out of character moment for him - normally he's very methodical and plans every action

high light Feb 9, 2022, 2:49 AM

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wasn't he just a western bandit?

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or something

peak escarp Feb 9, 2022, 2:49 AM

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he was a gang member as a teen, but they got busted by Overwatch

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McCree/Cassidy got offered a chance at redemption by joining Blackwatch

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he was pretty much Reyes's second in command

high light Feb 9, 2022, 2:50 AM

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what's genji doing in blackwatch too, i heard he's a good soul

peak escarp Feb 9, 2022, 2:50 AM

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https://playoverwatch.com/en-us/media/stories/retribution/

Overwatch

Overwatch Media

Overwatch Media: Videos, Comics, Screenshots, Artwork, and more.

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Genji was rescued by Overwatch and offered a cyborg body after he was left paralyzed in his fight with Hanzo

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Blackwatch used Genji as a weapon in their take down of the Shimada clan

high light Feb 9, 2022, 2:52 AM

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and he agreed to it just like that?

peak escarp Feb 9, 2022, 2:53 AM

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high light Feb 9, 2022, 2:53 AM

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i mean the blackwatch thing

peak escarp Feb 9, 2022, 2:53 AM

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Genji was in a dark place in his life

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he didn't find peace until he left Overwatch and met Zenyatta

high light Feb 9, 2022, 2:54 AM

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wait so, blackwatch is a part of overwatch or is it a completely different organization

peak escarp Feb 9, 2022, 2:54 AM

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Blackwatch was a division of Overwatch

high light Feb 9, 2022, 2:54 AM

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i was told lies then

peak escarp Feb 9, 2022, 2:55 AM

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they were the black ops - they did espionage, assassination, murder, all so Overwatch kept their clean image

high light Feb 9, 2022, 2:55 AM

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well, that's a one way to keep a good title

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lol

peak escarp Feb 9, 2022, 2:56 AM

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the public didn't even know about Blackwatch until the Venice mission went wrong

high light Feb 9, 2022, 2:57 AM

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so, when overwatch fell, blackwatch did too?

peak escarp Feb 9, 2022, 2:57 AM

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Blackwatch was suspended after the Venice mission (Retribution)

high light Feb 9, 2022, 2:58 AM

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makes sense

peak escarp Feb 9, 2022, 2:58 AM

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Genji got moved to the main Overwatch team - that's why he's on the strike team for Storm Rising

high light Feb 9, 2022, 2:58 AM

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and then he met zen?

peak escarp Feb 9, 2022, 2:58 AM

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he met Zen after he left Overwatch

high light Feb 9, 2022, 2:59 AM

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why did he leave overwatch though

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didn't entirely like the job or what?

peak escarp Feb 9, 2022, 2:59 AM

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we don't know for sure

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but I think he was still having trouble with his body

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he got beaten pretty badly in the fight against Doomfist

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https://youtu.be/vaZfZFNuOpI

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high light Feb 9, 2022, 3:01 AM

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yeah i've seen that

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and i got concerned by doomfists ideology of life

limpid agate Feb 9, 2022, 4:53 AM

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@past copper You should have image perms in this channel now.

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Keep them relevent to the channel or they will be removed.

peak escarp Feb 9, 2022, 4:54 AM

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congrats

past copper Feb 9, 2022, 4:59 AM

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K

tidal jetty Feb 9, 2022, 8:24 AM

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how strong is doomfist canonically

opaque scroll Feb 9, 2022, 8:31 AM

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peak escarp https://youtu.be/vaZfZFNuOpI

I mean this video shows some things

tidal jetty Feb 9, 2022, 8:31 AM

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it doesnt give definitive results though

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the cinematics arent great at powerscaling which i know it isnt their main purpose

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but its inconsistent

opaque scroll Feb 9, 2022, 8:31 AM

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How many things do we even have for 'definitive' results?

tidal jetty Feb 9, 2022, 8:31 AM

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well

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the definitive result there is probably

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doom was beaten

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but in the doom short it shows winston primal being able to beat doomfist, who is shown to be incredibly strong (beating all the orisa bots which were supposed to be state of the line, among other things) but then in others like the winston and reaper one it shows primal being kinda weak as it just loses to reaper shooting at him

opaque scroll Feb 9, 2022, 8:36 AM

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Yeah

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Very inconsistent for sure

tidal jetty Feb 9, 2022, 8:56 AM

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also statements can be very vague like

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how doomfist can apparently level a skyscraper

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but loses to angry monkey

grand wedge Feb 9, 2022, 9:15 AM

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because of scenarist reasons, not actual reasons

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also, Doomfist could just have been overconfident and lost

lavish cradle Feb 9, 2022, 3:32 PM

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"Angry monkey"

iron plume Feb 9, 2022, 3:56 PM

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also he almost certainly can't actually level a skyscraper

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all references to that were "they say doomfist is so strong he can"

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basically urban legends, and possibly not even ones originally about the current doomfist

opaque scroll Feb 9, 2022, 4:06 PM

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True, wouldn't make sense he could

peak escarp Feb 9, 2022, 5:18 PM

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they're as strong as the plot needs them to be

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we'll never get any actual numbers

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except for Zarya

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her record lift is 512kg

limber gate Feb 9, 2022, 5:21 PM

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why did none of the blackwatch team even attempt to stop reaper killing the talon dude?

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there was no "what are you doing" when reaper lifted his gun?

peak escarp Feb 9, 2022, 5:22 PM

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it happened too quickly

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you can see Cassidy start to react

limber gate Feb 9, 2022, 5:23 PM

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but genji should be able to react

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he's a ninja

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given how he deflected hanzo's scatters

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but after it cuts it just shows him confused not knowing what to do

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he's the one person who should've known what to do

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or it's just me being dumb again

peak escarp Feb 9, 2022, 5:24 PM

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why would he know what to do?

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he's not the leader

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he's just there as a weapon

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he does what he's told

limber gate Feb 9, 2022, 5:24 PM

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~~ninja? assassinations? or my logic is just flawed~~

peak escarp Feb 9, 2022, 5:25 PM

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they weren't there to assassinate Antonio

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they were there to kidnap him

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the assassination was a spur-of-the-moment thing ~~because Moira's experiments made Reyes more impulsive~~

cosmic crest Feb 9, 2022, 5:27 PM

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Genji was for Reyes killing Antonio at the time. He says so in an interaction.

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Even if he wasn't, there was nothing he could do.

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Reyes was his superior

limber gate Feb 9, 2022, 5:28 PM

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moira definitely wouldn't've stopped reyes

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mccree tried to stop him

lavish cradle Feb 9, 2022, 5:35 PM

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This is why I hate Moira in canon

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She ruined Reyes, which led to the fall of Blackwatch, which led to the overall fall of Overwatch

limber gate Feb 9, 2022, 5:37 PM

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explains why mercy was pissed at her lol

lavish cradle Feb 9, 2022, 5:37 PM

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I would be, too

peak escarp Feb 9, 2022, 5:38 PM

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Mercy hates Moira because she's an unethical scientists who discredits the field of medicine

lavish cradle Feb 9, 2022, 5:39 PM

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That too

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I don't like Moira in canon because she's immoral and unethical but at the same time I do like her because she's a brilliant scientist

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What do you guys think?

cosmic crest Feb 9, 2022, 5:41 PM

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She's a villain

limber gate Feb 9, 2022, 5:41 PM

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so the crazy scientist

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wonder where I saw that

peak escarp Feb 9, 2022, 5:42 PM

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she's a complex character, and I like that

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I also really like her voice

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but I can't say I like her personality

lavish cradle Feb 9, 2022, 5:43 PM

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Oh, yeah. Her voice is really awesome

cosmic crest Feb 9, 2022, 5:44 PM

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Of course it is

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She's Irish

lavish cradle Feb 9, 2022, 5:51 PM

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What do you guys think Cassidy would say to her if he saw her at the time that New Blood takes place?

peak escarp Feb 9, 2022, 5:53 PM

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nothing very nice

lavish cradle Feb 9, 2022, 5:54 PM

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That's for sure

iron plume Feb 9, 2022, 6:06 PM

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I like her as a character

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but she's obviously more evil than anything else

lavish cradle Feb 9, 2022, 6:07 PM

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Of course

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But at the same time, all the things she did to Gabe

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And the bunnies

worn island Feb 9, 2022, 9:24 PM

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idk i kinda like the idea that Moira was a main contributor to Overwatchs fall

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like a cold calculating villain that just tipped the scales and topples a large organisation

lavish cradle Feb 9, 2022, 9:27 PM

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I agree, although I do wish Overwatch never fell in the first place

iron plume Feb 9, 2022, 9:27 PM

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It would have, one way or another

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Moira wasn't the reason, she was the final straw

peak escarp Feb 9, 2022, 9:32 PM

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she's the reason Blackwatch came to light

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but Blackwatch was still there without her

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they would have been uncovered some other way

lavish cradle Feb 9, 2022, 9:36 PM

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Yeah, probably

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I guess the politicians were trying to bring down Blackwatch one way or another anyway so they chose the Venice incident as a reason

limpid agate Feb 9, 2022, 9:56 PM

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It's more like that's the incident that made them aware of it

reef patio Feb 9, 2022, 9:58 PM

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In new blood #3 Mccree said
"You know, somebody gave me a chance once. when no one thought there was any good in me."

I wonder who this might be and hopefully it isn't when reyes recruited him in blackwatch, but something else

peak escarp Feb 9, 2022, 9:59 PM

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he's talking about Reyes

reef patio Feb 9, 2022, 10:00 PM

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I kind of thought it was something else, since he had a choice of jail or that,but I guess it makes sense?

lavish cradle Feb 9, 2022, 10:02 PM

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I don't know if it was really a choice for him

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I think it was more like motivation to join

peak escarp Feb 9, 2022, 10:02 PM

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it was jail or Blackwatch

reef patio Feb 9, 2022, 10:02 PM

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tehnically it still is

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no matter which choice is better or worse

lavish cradle Feb 9, 2022, 10:03 PM

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I think it was supposed to be more like the lesser of two evils

peak escarp Feb 9, 2022, 10:03 PM

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yeah

reef patio Feb 9, 2022, 10:03 PM

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fair enough

peak escarp Feb 9, 2022, 10:03 PM

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I'd love to get the full story on that

lavish cradle Feb 9, 2022, 10:03 PM

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Same

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I personally do hope it was a reference to Reyes

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I have the belief that Reyes was a father figure for him

reef patio Feb 9, 2022, 10:04 PM

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I kind of wanted it to implement it with my oc, but doesn't matter I guess

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I always saw Reyes as that cool uncle imo

lavish cradle Feb 9, 2022, 10:38 PM

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That's a cool way to look at it

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I always thought that Jack and Gabe (whether they were ever together or not is irrelevant) were like father figures to Cole & Genji

peak escarp Feb 9, 2022, 10:40 PM

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there's not much to suggest that they were father figures

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Jack was more of a mentor to Tracer

limpid agate Feb 9, 2022, 10:41 PM

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Genji had a father figure

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His father.

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His father died when he was ~25

limber gate Feb 9, 2022, 10:41 PM

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so Reyes was much more levelheaded and kindhearted before moira experimented on him?

lavish cradle Feb 9, 2022, 10:42 PM

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I don't know

limber gate Feb 9, 2022, 10:42 PM

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until he was overshadowed by Jack's accomplishments and snapped

limpid agate Feb 9, 2022, 10:42 PM

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limber gate until he was overshadowed by Jack's accomplishments and snapped

It wasnt this

limber gate Feb 9, 2022, 10:42 PM

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and tipped over to the dark side by moira's experiments

limpid agate Feb 9, 2022, 10:42 PM

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This is just what people believe in universe.

limber gate Feb 9, 2022, 10:42 PM

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in their universe?

limpid agate Feb 9, 2022, 10:42 PM

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In Overwatch, yes

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We know its not true

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But that is what the news reported in universe.

limber gate Feb 9, 2022, 10:42 PM

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but what really happened was that moira experimented on him and changed his brain chemistry?

limpid agate Feb 9, 2022, 10:42 PM

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The upcoming Reaper short story should shed light into his motivations

limber gate Feb 9, 2022, 10:42 PM

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oh

limpid agate Feb 9, 2022, 10:42 PM

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Moira was not as responsible as people think.

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She played a part

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She wasn't the whole job

peak escarp Feb 9, 2022, 10:43 PM

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Jack and Gabe got along well, until Gabe started keeping secrets (like Moira) and Jack was getting frustrated with always having to cover for him

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and once Ana went MIA, there was nobody there to mediate between them

limber gate Feb 9, 2022, 10:43 PM

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so jack was pissed at reaper for hiding secrets

peak escarp Feb 9, 2022, 10:43 PM

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maybe also Gabe blamed Jack for leaving Ana behind

limber gate Feb 9, 2022, 10:44 PM

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and reaper was pissed at soldier for?

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being tossed in the assassin division while Jack got all the credit?

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I mean, it's what they reported

lavish cradle Feb 9, 2022, 10:44 PM

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If Moira didn't play as big of a part as we thought she did, then I would probably like her more

limber gate Feb 9, 2022, 10:44 PM

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but we don't really know

peak escarp Feb 9, 2022, 10:44 PM

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he wanted the assassin division

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Reyes didn't want the paperwork/red tape

limber gate Feb 9, 2022, 10:44 PM

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Gabe wanted to join it?

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oh

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he just wanted to kill

peak escarp Feb 9, 2022, 10:44 PM

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he didn't have the leader qualities that Jack had

limber gate Feb 9, 2022, 10:45 PM

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but he was forced to lead it?

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so he was in for the killing and got paperwork instead

peak escarp Feb 9, 2022, 10:45 PM

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Reyes was chosen by the UN to lead the initial Overwatch strike team during the crisis

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but Jack showed better leadership, and was made Strike Commander post crisis

lavish cradle Feb 9, 2022, 10:45 PM

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How dare they

limber gate Feb 9, 2022, 10:45 PM

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Reyes was salty because of that?

peak escarp Feb 9, 2022, 10:45 PM

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Gabe made Blackwatch so he could do things off the books

limber gate Feb 9, 2022, 10:45 PM

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oh

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so he split off

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and made his own division

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and Jack just rolled with it?

peak escarp Feb 9, 2022, 10:46 PM

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it was still a division within Overwatch

limber gate Feb 9, 2022, 10:46 PM

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I know that

peak escarp Feb 9, 2022, 10:46 PM

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a necessary evil to allow Overwatch to keep its nice clean image

limber gate Feb 9, 2022, 10:46 PM

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so Gabe volunteered for it

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why did he turn rogue?

peak escarp Feb 9, 2022, 10:46 PM

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like how the US army has a (not so secret) black ops division

limber gate Feb 9, 2022, 10:47 PM

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limber gate why did he turn rogue?

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still not answered properly?

peak escarp Feb 9, 2022, 10:47 PM

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we don't know yet

limber gate Feb 9, 2022, 10:47 PM

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ah

peak escarp Feb 9, 2022, 10:48 PM

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the upcoming short story may tell us why

limber gate Feb 9, 2022, 10:48 PM

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kk

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I'm excited

lavish cradle Feb 9, 2022, 10:48 PM

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Do we know the full details of how Overwatch disbanded?

peak escarp Feb 9, 2022, 10:48 PM

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Blackwatch got exposed during the Venice Incident (Retribution), so the UN started investigating Overwatch

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the Swiss Headquarters was blown up - the public believes it was due to a fight between Reyes and Morrison, but Morrison believes it was Talon sabotage

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with all the leaders presumed dead, there was nobody around to defend Overwatch from the UN inquiry and it got shut down

lavish cradle Feb 9, 2022, 10:50 PM

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Oh, yeah. That one. That's also my headcanon for how Cole lost his arm.

peak escarp Feb 9, 2022, 10:50 PM

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he wasn't there

lavish cradle Feb 9, 2022, 10:50 PM

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Oh

peak escarp Feb 9, 2022, 10:50 PM

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he left before the fighting so he wouldn't have to take sides

lavish cradle Feb 9, 2022, 10:50 PM

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Okay

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Thanks for clearing that up

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I'm a bit rustler with the lore than I'd like to be

peak escarp Feb 9, 2022, 10:51 PM

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he lost his arm some time after leaving Overwatch ~5 years ago

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but "that's a story for another time"

lavish cradle Feb 9, 2022, 10:51 PM

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I wish we just knew

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That was something that really bothered me for a few months

peak escarp Feb 9, 2022, 10:52 PM

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there's still a lot of unanswered questions that hopefully will get answered in OW2

lavish cradle Feb 9, 2022, 10:53 PM

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Yeah

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Can't wait for that

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But at the same time I want them to take their time so it turns out well

peak escarp Feb 9, 2022, 10:54 PM

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we should get a lot of answers in the Overwatch: Declassified book that's coming out in November

lavish cradle Feb 9, 2022, 10:55 PM

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Awesome! Didn't know that was a thing!

peak escarp Feb 9, 2022, 10:56 PM

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Now fans can trace the history of Overwatch in this comprehensive volume, packed with declassified mission briefings, splash artwork, weapon schematics, and more. All new lore developed by New York Times-bestselling, award-winning author Seanan McGuire in partnership with Blizzard Entertainment threads together the story of Overwatch across its many comics, stories, cinematics, and game missions. Don’t miss this must-have, collectible read for Overwatch fans both old and new.```

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that's the description

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finally, a proper history/timeline

lavish cradle Feb 9, 2022, 10:58 PM

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Wow

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This is exactly the kind of thing I've been waiting for for over a year

reef patio Feb 9, 2022, 11:28 PM

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limber gate Reyes was salty because of that?

as far as I've seen, he wasn't

limber gate Feb 9, 2022, 11:29 PM

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peak escarp with all the leaders presumed dead, there was nobody around to defend Overwatch ...

sojourn?

peak escarp Feb 9, 2022, 11:29 PM

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maybe she wasn't as good of a leader as Jack, Ana and Gabe

reef patio Feb 9, 2022, 11:30 PM

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"Despite losing his rank, Reyes was relieved that Morrison was given the position, preferring to be the number 2 rather than hold the more political position.

Morrison told Reyes that they made the wrong choice, that Reyes should have been in charge, but regardless, Morrison retained the position."

iron plume Feb 9, 2022, 11:30 PM

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I don't think the problem was really the lack of leaders

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Don't think there'd be anyone able to defend overwatch operating illegally and secretly in countries that specifically refused their help to the UN

peak escarp Feb 9, 2022, 11:31 PM

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fair

reef patio Feb 9, 2022, 11:31 PM

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I feel like there should be something between overwatch and blackwatch

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the grey zone

iron plume Feb 9, 2022, 11:31 PM

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though most of their leaders also dying certainly didn't help

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Blackwatch was supposed to be "the grey zone" itself

reef patio Feb 9, 2022, 11:32 PM

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the big susposed

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but I wouldn't mind a 3rd group

iron plume Feb 9, 2022, 11:33 PM

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Well, blackwatch isn't happening again

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I doubt the new overwatch will have anything like it

reef patio Feb 9, 2022, 11:34 PM

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Like say morrison realised that blackwatch didn't turn out the way it is before the shut down and created a 3rd group

iron plume Feb 9, 2022, 11:34 PM

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I don't really see what it would do

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In-universe, it would fill the same role as blackwatch when OW was already under scrutiny

limber gate Feb 9, 2022, 11:34 PM

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morrison won't be in new overwatch

reef patio Feb 9, 2022, 11:35 PM

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I'm not talking about present

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it's about the past

iron plume Feb 9, 2022, 11:35 PM

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If Overwatch wasn't shut down it would be restricted from having any undercover operations

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Precisely because of how Blackwatch turned out

reef patio Feb 9, 2022, 11:36 PM

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perhaps

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but you never know

iron plume Feb 9, 2022, 11:37 PM

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That basically goes into fanfiction territory at that point

reef patio Feb 9, 2022, 11:38 PM

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Yeah

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a small squad makes more sense

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something like strike team, ~~but not~~

limber gate Feb 9, 2022, 11:40 PM

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iron plume That basically goes into fanfiction territory at that point

^

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it's noncanon

reef patio Feb 9, 2022, 11:48 PM

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also is there even an official timeline with years or are all those fanmade?

peak escarp Feb 9, 2022, 11:48 PM

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we don't know the year for anything

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aside from the Don Rumbotico rum distillery being bought by Maximilien in the 2060s

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Almost two centuries ago, Clara and Basilio Diaz used their savings to open a small rum distillery. It was a modest family business, specializing in small batch, barrel-aged rum. Until 2060, few outside of Cuba knew the name Don Rumbotico, but the brand was wildly popular in Havana. Alicia, like the generations of Diazes before her, is an expert rum-maker. The classic Don Rumbotico recipe is a closely-guarded family secret, and one celebrated as a Cuban favorite.

reef patio Feb 9, 2022, 11:50 PM

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michael chu writing at it's finest

peak escarp Feb 9, 2022, 11:50 PM

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what's that supposed to mean?

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we don't know who wrote it

ocean orbit Feb 10, 2022, 6:14 AM

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yo

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one thing

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why is mcree called cassidy now?

peak escarp Feb 10, 2022, 6:19 AM

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his old name came from a dev who was involved in the sexual harassment lawsuit, and the devs decided not to name anything after devs anymore

limpid agate Feb 10, 2022, 6:40 AM

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!!whycassidy

twilit nacelleBOT Feb 10, 2022, 6:40 AM

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McCree was named after a Blizzard employee named Jesse McCree, because he had a cool sounding name. Blizzard no longer associates with that employee, so they changed the hero's name.

sly cypress Feb 10, 2022, 6:57 AM

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do u think overwatch 2 will come with new lore?

sly cypress Feb 10, 2022, 6:58 AM

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peak escarp his old name came from a dev who was involved in the sexual harassment lawsuit, ...

oup-

peak escarp Feb 10, 2022, 6:58 AM

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sly cypress do u think overwatch 2 will come with new lore?

that's kinda the point of Story Mode

sly cypress Feb 10, 2022, 6:58 AM

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ya

tidal jetty Feb 10, 2022, 9:37 AM

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It’s the literal main point of ow2

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story

opaque scroll Feb 10, 2022, 10:25 AM

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Yeah

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Tons of lore

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Eventually

lavish cradle Feb 10, 2022, 3:14 PM

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Man, an Overwatch story mode sounds amazing. Can't wait to learn more about specifically Cole, and how he lost his arm

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Also I'm hoping to learn more about Blackwatch and early Overwatch, and the dynamics between the heroes, in the form of flashbacks

grand wedge Feb 10, 2022, 5:02 PM

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The story mode is made to move the plot forward, to fight the new threats (Null Sector, Talon etc)
But I hope they’re going to answers we all have been waiting for along the way ( the truth behind the HQ bombing, how Cassidy lost his arm, who is the last person in the group picture and so much more)

lavish cradle Feb 10, 2022, 5:16 PM

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By the last person in the group picture are you referring to Sojourn?

peak escarp Feb 10, 2022, 5:34 PM

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the man on the left

lavish cradle Feb 10, 2022, 5:47 PM

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Oh, okay

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I thought they meant the picture in Zero Hour

limber gate Feb 10, 2022, 6:03 PM

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plot twist: he's zarya's dad

peak escarp Feb 10, 2022, 6:03 PM

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not likely

limber gate Feb 10, 2022, 6:03 PM

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might be Gerard

cosmic crest Feb 10, 2022, 6:22 PM

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It's not

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We've seen Gerard, that's not him

lavish cradle Feb 10, 2022, 6:27 PM

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They do look like Zarya

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When I first saw it, knowing nothing of the lore, I thought it actually was Zarya

peak escarp Feb 10, 2022, 6:28 PM

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that man looks nothing like Zarya

cosmic crest Feb 10, 2022, 6:29 PM

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Yeah, he really doesn't.

past copper Feb 10, 2022, 6:34 PM

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We’ve recently learned about Zarya’s father. That’s not him.

lavish cradle Feb 10, 2022, 6:34 PM

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Well, to be fair, I didn't know anything at all about any of the lore or even the characters

past copper Feb 10, 2022, 6:35 PM

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Based on that man’s design, he looks like a member of Blackwatch

cosmic crest Feb 10, 2022, 6:36 PM

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Seems a bit presumptuous

past copper Feb 10, 2022, 6:39 PM

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It wouldn’t be surprising. I mean, they’ve got Reyes and McCree (Cassidy) there. The mohawk guy might be an unarmed member of Blackwatch himself

peak escarp Feb 10, 2022, 6:40 PM

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or he might not even be an Overwatch member

lavish cradle Feb 10, 2022, 6:40 PM

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We should see if they were one of the people Winston sent the Recall message to

peak escarp Feb 10, 2022, 6:40 PM

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Angela wasn't a member yet in this photo - she was just visiting Torbjorn

cosmic crest Feb 10, 2022, 6:41 PM

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I would say there is a slight implication that he is Blackwatch because he is right next to Reyes, but Cassidy was practically Reyes's right hand and he's on the other side of the group.

past copper Feb 10, 2022, 6:41 PM

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Plus, there’s a character that vaguely resembles him on the Talon Council

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I don’t know if that’s just coincidence or it’s him, but how many people would you say have the same hairstyle

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The guy on bottom between those two

lavish cradle Feb 10, 2022, 6:44 PM

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That's very plausible

cosmic crest Feb 10, 2022, 6:44 PM

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The hair does look similar

past copper Feb 10, 2022, 6:47 PM

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Also, 16 chairs on the council. I wonder if that means most of them will be new heroes or just NPCs

peak escarp Feb 10, 2022, 6:48 PM

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16 chairs doesn't mean 16 people

cosmic crest Feb 10, 2022, 6:49 PM

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I count 17

past copper Feb 10, 2022, 6:49 PM

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True. Though, it might’ve been more to say 15. I remember one chair became vacant in this comic

lavish cradle Feb 10, 2022, 9:01 PM

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What if this guy is just, like, someone's friend/partner who just so happened to be there so they included him in the picture?

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Maybe it was at a party or something?

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Idk, just something I thought of

iron plume Feb 10, 2022, 9:27 PM

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It's plausible in-universe
but doesn't make sense that Blizzard would include it if they didn't have plans

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or at least an idea for a plan
though obviously those might change over time

lavish cradle Feb 10, 2022, 10:16 PM

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That's a good point

peak escarp Feb 10, 2022, 10:17 PM

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those two (Sojourn and the man) were mentioned in Ana's HotS poke lines

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so I assume at least as of whenever those were made, they were still planned to be important

lavish cradle Feb 10, 2022, 10:23 PM

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Yeah. I can't wait to learn more about Sojourn

worthy rose Feb 10, 2022, 11:02 PM

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peak escarp

from left to right, except from the far left, its Reaper (Gabriel), Ana, Pharah, Soldier76 (Jack), Reinhardt, Torbjorn, Mercy, Cassidy, and Soujourn?

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is that right?

peak escarp Feb 10, 2022, 11:02 PM

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yes

worthy rose Feb 10, 2022, 11:03 PM

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Rein looks a little different there, also given the timeframe of the damaged eye

peak escarp Feb 10, 2022, 11:03 PM

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the photo is from about 20 years ago, so their ages

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it was also made before they decided on a new direction with the lore, so their appearances are a bit off

worthy rose Feb 10, 2022, 11:04 PM

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that makes more sense yea ty

lavish cradle Feb 10, 2022, 11:05 PM

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Is the lady on the right Amelie?

peak escarp Feb 10, 2022, 11:06 PM

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no

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that's Sojourn

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Amelie isn't black

lavish cradle Feb 10, 2022, 11:07 PM

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Well I couldn't tell, I thought it was the lighting and the fact it's a black and white picture

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Sorry

peak escarp Feb 10, 2022, 11:09 PM

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here's Amelie before she was blue

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and Gerard

uncut bough Feb 10, 2022, 11:10 PM

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Omnic crisis

opaque scroll Feb 10, 2022, 11:11 PM

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peak escarp the photo is from about 20 years ago, so their ages

Reyes is that old?

peak escarp Feb 10, 2022, 11:11 PM

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Reaper's current age is 58

uncut bough Feb 10, 2022, 11:11 PM

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peak escarp the photo is from about 20 years ago, so their ages

Ana looking fine at 40

peak escarp Feb 10, 2022, 11:12 PM

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he was 50 during Retribution, which was 8 years ago

opaque scroll Feb 10, 2022, 11:12 PM

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Oh

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I thought he was a bit younger

uncut bough Feb 10, 2022, 11:12 PM

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Gabriel was just a villan waiting to happen

worthy rose Feb 11, 2022, 12:08 AM

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uncut bough Gabriel was just a villan waiting to happen

about that...

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you could consider Reaper a villain

iron plume Feb 11, 2022, 12:20 AM

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and you would be correct in doing so

past copper Feb 11, 2022, 12:32 AM

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I mean… he’s killed multiple former Overwatch agents and people in the way of his prime targets. So yeah. Kinda a villain no matter what. Not sure if you wanna count his time in Blackwatch under that, but that’s anyone’s choice

limpid agate Feb 11, 2022, 12:33 AM

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Reaper, Doomfist, Moira, Widowmaker, Sombra, Junkrat, Roadhog, and Ashe are all villains.
Hanzo, Sigma, and Symmetra are all debatably villains.

past copper Feb 11, 2022, 12:42 AM

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I mean, Symmetra doesn’t seem like a villain in any way. Just someone who is being used by her boss while believing she’s doing good for the world.

Sigma is being full on manipulated by Talon to use his knowledge and his unique abilities over gravity. We’ve still yet to see just how much he’s being used though. Is he just being a scientist or do they expect him to fight? Only way to know is to see what he does in Overwatch 2

Hanzo is a mercenary. He had to kill when his family was still powerful and now he’s had to live in hiding or on the run while being paid to take out targets. I think. I don’t know for sure on that one

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I just know this though, Hanzo’s more redeemable since Genji believes he can change for the better. He did after all

iron plume Feb 11, 2022, 12:44 AM

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I'd say Ashe is debatable

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but that's not really a debate worth having

past copper Feb 11, 2022, 12:46 AM

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I don’t know about Ashe. She just doesn’t seem like a villain to me

iron plume Feb 11, 2022, 12:46 AM

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As for the ones Taiga listed, you've got valid points, but:
For the first two, they may not know (for Sigma and pre-Stone By Stone Symm) or agree with (post-SbS Symm) what their bosses are doing, but, well, they still work for those bosses and take their missions

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For Hanzo, while he is redeemable, he is not yet redeemed. He hasn't actually done anything about Hashimotos other than kill the ones that stood in the way of getting to the temple

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Ashe and Junkers are "bad guys" but they aren't "villains" in terms of story structure

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They're more like evil-leaning/aligned wild cards

limpid agate Feb 11, 2022, 12:49 AM

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iron plume For Hanzo, while he is redeem*able*, he is not yet redeem*ed*. He hasn't actuall...

He didn't kill any of them in the short

iron plume Feb 11, 2022, 12:49 AM

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brained the omnic didn't he

limpid agate Feb 11, 2022, 12:49 AM

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Only the omnic that was debatable

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But not clear

iron plume Feb 11, 2022, 12:50 AM

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either way makes the point even clearer

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in a way

past copper Feb 11, 2022, 12:50 AM

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I mean, Symmetra should’ve really noticed the red flags when the building was blown up with people inside. Though, I do think she was very young when was taken in by the company. So it’s probably the only “family” she has

limpid agate Feb 11, 2022, 12:50 AM

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She did notice the red flags

iron plume Feb 11, 2022, 12:50 AM

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Well, yes
She has her reasons beyond "do evil shit"

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Doesn't make her not the bad guy

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at least for the time

limpid agate Feb 11, 2022, 12:51 AM

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The last part there is her trying to convince herself

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That shes doing the right thing

iron plume Feb 11, 2022, 12:51 AM

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In the immortal words of Detective Jake Peralta:
Cool motive, still murder

limpid agate Feb 11, 2022, 12:51 AM

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Because she clearly sees its not

past copper Feb 11, 2022, 12:52 AM

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Junkrat and Roadhog are anarchists. They have committed a lot of crimes, but only for the purpose of getting rich or having fun. They’re villains, but not in the way that a whole city is in danger

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Like I said. Wasn’t Sym taken in because she was an orphan and the company became her family? I’d think that’s why she’s trying so hard to convince herself that what the company does is for the greater good

peak escarp Feb 11, 2022, 12:54 AM

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she wasn't an orphan

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she was taken from her family

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with the promise of a better life

past copper Feb 11, 2022, 12:55 AM

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Ah. Well, technically the company is still her only family now

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And with a promise of a better life also comes the promise of consequences if you go against those who promise her such a thing. Symmetra wouldn’t be willing to risk that. Would she?

uncut bough Feb 11, 2022, 1:53 PM

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Omnic crisis

lavish cradle Feb 11, 2022, 2:13 PM

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What about it, exactly?

digital forum Feb 11, 2022, 6:46 PM

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How did D. Va get enlisted in a military program? Was it just because she was good at games or?

peak escarp Feb 11, 2022, 6:50 PM

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As the omnic continued to adapt, it eventually disrupted MEKA's drone-control networks, forcing the military to place pilots in the mechs. Scrambling to find suitable candidates, the government turned to the country's professional gamers, who possessed the necessary reflexes and instincts to operate the mechs' advanced weapons systems. Top stars were drafted, including reigning world champion Hana Song, also known as "D.Va." Famous for her elite skills, D.Va was a fierce competitor who played to win at all costs, and she had a well-earned reputation for showing no mercy to her opponents.

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she was the world champion at Mecha Guardian V, a mech simulation game

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which made her ideal as a mech pilot

cosmic crest Feb 11, 2022, 6:51 PM

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I always found it to be quite daft tbh

peak escarp Feb 11, 2022, 6:51 PM

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also South Korea has a military draft

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so she probably would have had to serve anyway

cosmic crest Feb 11, 2022, 6:52 PM

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Actually, that would make it more believable.

peak escarp Feb 11, 2022, 6:54 PM

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so maybe she was already fulfilling her draft obligation when the government said "hey, you'd know how to pilot a mech, you're gonna be part of this program"

limber gate Feb 11, 2022, 6:54 PM

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wait, lore wise Echo only adapts to personalities or does she adapt to abilities as well?

peak escarp Feb 11, 2022, 6:54 PM

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limber gate wait, lore wise Echo only adapts to personalities or does she adapt to abilities...

we don't really know

cosmic crest Feb 11, 2022, 6:54 PM

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Learning that D.Va and the other pilots were drafted would be an interesting direction for their story to go.

peak escarp Feb 11, 2022, 6:54 PM

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we haven't seen her copy abilities

limber gate Feb 11, 2022, 6:54 PM

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also we haven't seen any zen lore either

peak escarp Feb 11, 2022, 6:54 PM

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we have

limber gate Feb 11, 2022, 6:54 PM

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I'd like to see him in action

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well, not a story that purely features him

peak escarp Feb 11, 2022, 6:54 PM

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Stone by Stone

limber gate Feb 11, 2022, 6:55 PM

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oh it's a short story

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haven't read them

peak escarp Feb 11, 2022, 6:55 PM

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you should, they're good

limber gate Feb 11, 2022, 6:57 PM

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how does lucio canonically heal?

peak escarp Feb 11, 2022, 6:57 PM

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he doesn't

limber gate Feb 11, 2022, 6:57 PM

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he's just a DJ?

peak escarp Feb 11, 2022, 6:57 PM

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we've only seen him give speed boost

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by playing music for people to synchronize to

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and his sound barrier

limber gate Feb 11, 2022, 6:57 PM

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I am still confused as to how any of these work

peak escarp Feb 11, 2022, 6:58 PM

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well his sound barrier seems to be hard light

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and using music to work faster/better... people have been doing that for millenia

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sea shanties were work songs that allowed sailors to pull together on the beat

limber gate Feb 11, 2022, 6:59 PM

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we haven't seen mccree ult in action, right?

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if I remember correctly

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at least, not the comics/cenematics

peak escarp Feb 11, 2022, 7:00 PM

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the showdown in Reunion matches it pretty well

limber gate Feb 11, 2022, 7:00 PM

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well, he wasn't technically glowing or saying the words

peak escarp Feb 11, 2022, 7:00 PM

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all the cues are there - tumbleweed, bell toll, guitar strum, hawk cry

limber gate Feb 11, 2022, 7:00 PM

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but it was high noon

peak escarp Feb 11, 2022, 7:00 PM

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he just didn't glow

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but why would he

limber gate Feb 11, 2022, 7:01 PM

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but I find it ridiculous that his fan the hammer was so accurate it managed to shoot through 3 grenades with pinpoint accuracy

peak escarp Feb 11, 2022, 7:01 PM

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he's just that good of a shot

limber gate Feb 11, 2022, 7:01 PM

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well, canonically he should just bam bam bam and then everyone would die

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if it was his ult

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but the moment was cool

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plus, he didn't need to say "it's high noon" or glow

peak escarp Feb 11, 2022, 7:02 PM

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Deadeye just represents his shooting skill in a gameplay way - the player isn't as good at shooting as Cassidy is

limber gate Feb 11, 2022, 7:02 PM

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all he needed to do was to say "draw"

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that would make it clear he was ulting in a way

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and it would make the moment canon that he would be ulting

peak escarp Feb 11, 2022, 7:02 PM

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Soldier uses his visor in Hero without saying anything

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Widow uses her visor in Alive without saying anything

limber gate Feb 11, 2022, 7:03 PM

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and I don't know why the explosions were so big in cinematics

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also this question

peak escarp Feb 11, 2022, 7:03 PM

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because big explosions are entertaining

limber gate Feb 11, 2022, 7:03 PM

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how come ashe takes explosions to the face without a scratch

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but bob the omnic gets decapitated

peak escarp Feb 11, 2022, 7:03 PM

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plot armor

limber gate Feb 11, 2022, 7:03 PM

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well that's just horrible writing

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she should be at least out cold

peak escarp Feb 11, 2022, 7:03 PM

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she got knocked out

limber gate Feb 11, 2022, 7:04 PM

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well fair

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but no burns?

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dust?

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at least soot on the face?

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I find it kind of ridiculous

peak escarp Feb 11, 2022, 7:04 PM

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nobody takes any visible damage in any of the cinematics

grand wedge Feb 11, 2022, 7:04 PM

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got to keep it pg rated

peak escarp Feb 11, 2022, 7:04 PM

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it's not just Ashe

limber gate Feb 11, 2022, 7:04 PM

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except bob

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bob gets decapitated

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;-;

limber gate Feb 11, 2022, 7:04 PM

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peak escarp nobody takes any visible damage in any of the cinematics

well yeah

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that too

peak escarp Feb 11, 2022, 7:05 PM

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that would be extra work for the animators, and would take the heroes off-model

limber gate Feb 11, 2022, 7:05 PM

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dva broke an arm and a leg though

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a bit of soot doesn't change the hero model, but I'm pretty sure I'm just nitpicking right now

peak escarp Feb 11, 2022, 7:05 PM

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it's not horrible writing, it's just lazy

limber gate Feb 11, 2022, 7:05 PM

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yes that

peak escarp Feb 11, 2022, 7:06 PM

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and yes, you are nitpicking

lavish cradle Feb 11, 2022, 7:12 PM

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As for what you said about South Korea's military draft, it does take place in the future, so maybe in this universe they removed it or something?

cosmic crest Feb 11, 2022, 7:16 PM

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If this is mean to be an optimistic future, then it would make sense for it to be abolished.

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But I think it makes for a good reason for why D.Va and the others were selected.

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It's also worth mentioning that they are at war.

lavish cradle Feb 11, 2022, 7:17 PM

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That's a good point

cosmic crest Feb 11, 2022, 7:17 PM

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Doesn't necessarily justify compulsory service, but it's worth considering.

lavish cradle Feb 11, 2022, 7:24 PM

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How much do we know about Sigma? I'm not even a Sigma main but he's a very interesting character

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Even his name, DeKuiper, is cool

grand wedge Feb 11, 2022, 7:43 PM

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He is an dutch astrophisicist, he went on a space station to test an experiments on black holes, experiment ripped briefly his mind and body appart. Got quarantined on earth because he had gravitic anomalies around him.

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Talon broke him out some years later, "fixed" him, and put him in a lab somewhere to have access to his reasearch. He doesn't know is research is used by Talon (nor what they want to do with such knowledge)

lavish cradle Feb 11, 2022, 7:48 PM

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I didn't know he was testing black holes, that's interesting and explains a bit

grand wedge Feb 11, 2022, 8:04 PM

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Sigma Bio : https://playoverwatch.com/en-us/heroes/sigma/

Overwatch

Sigma - Overwatch

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He was experimenting on gravity, but was exposed to a black hole that formed while experimenting

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(I didn't remember as much as i thought^^,)

lavish cradle Feb 12, 2022, 4:44 PM

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Who would you guys say are the characters we know most about?

peak escarp Feb 12, 2022, 4:44 PM

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Orisa

lavish cradle Feb 12, 2022, 4:44 PM

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My guess would be Ashe, Orisa, and maybe Cole

peak escarp Feb 12, 2022, 4:45 PM

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we know Orisa's entire life story

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and how she was created

lavish cradle Feb 12, 2022, 4:45 PM

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Ashe & Cole mostly because of the Deadlock Rebels book

peak escarp Feb 12, 2022, 4:45 PM

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but there's still a big gap for both of them

lavish cradle Feb 12, 2022, 4:45 PM

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And, yeah, the Hero of Numbani book for Orisa

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Good point

peak escarp Feb 12, 2022, 4:46 PM

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we don't know what Cole was up to between Deadlock and Retribution, and post-Fall to present

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we don't know how he lost his arm

lavish cradle Feb 12, 2022, 4:46 PM

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Then Ashe & Orisa, I'd say

peak escarp Feb 12, 2022, 4:46 PM

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Ashe we don't know much about her adult life

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we're told she united the gangs of the American Southwest, but that's it

lavish cradle Feb 12, 2022, 4:47 PM

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Well, probably same old, same old of her days in Deadlock

peak escarp Feb 12, 2022, 4:47 PM

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we know quite a lot about Tracer

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and Pharah

lavish cradle Feb 12, 2022, 4:48 PM

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Good thing those are some of my favorites, lol

peak escarp Feb 12, 2022, 4:48 PM

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and Brigitte

lavish cradle Feb 12, 2022, 4:49 PM

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Yeah, but for Brigitte there's not a lot to know

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Not as much as some of the others, anyway

peak escarp Feb 12, 2022, 4:49 PM

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true

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the hero we know the least about is Sojourn 😛

earnest hemlock Feb 12, 2022, 4:56 PM

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what about wonton we know a lot about the monkey

peak escarp Feb 12, 2022, 5:06 PM

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we do, but we don't know what happened after he landed on Earth

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did Overwatch find him first, or someone else? Did they automatically accept him as a person, or did he have to fight for his rights?

lavish cradle Feb 12, 2022, 6:14 PM

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I would imagine he fought for his rights, we've seen how accepting the people of Earth are towards anyone whose not technically human

earnest hemlock Feb 12, 2022, 11:52 PM

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peak escarp did Overwatch find him first, or someone else? Did they automatically accept him...

Hmm true, interesting

worthy rose Feb 13, 2022, 2:11 AM

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Is New Blood worth reading?

peak escarp Feb 13, 2022, 2:15 AM

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worthy rose Is New Blood worth reading?

it's pretty good

limpid agate Feb 13, 2022, 2:22 AM

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worthy rose Is New Blood worth reading?

Yes.

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The final issue should be out next month

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!!NewBlood

twilit nacelleBOT Feb 13, 2022, 2:22 AM

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Cassidy - New Blood:
#1: https://bit.ly/3wJqcnL
#2: https://bit.ly/3ejXkd0
#3: https://bit.ly/3fbBwB3
#4: https://bit.ly/3B9zLOE
#5: March

opaque tundra Feb 13, 2022, 3:13 AM

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New Blood is way better than London Calling

peak escarp Feb 13, 2022, 3:14 AM

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that's a low bar

limpid agate Feb 13, 2022, 3:32 AM

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A lot of things are better than London Calling

tidal jetty Feb 13, 2022, 5:01 AM

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lavish cradle I would imagine he fought for his rights, we've seen how accepting the people of...

that could be because of the uprising though

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idk if they were resentful towards omnics before the first omnic attacks

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but if they werent then it could just be casual racism against an enemy

lavish cradle Feb 13, 2022, 5:02 AM

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Good point

tidal jetty Feb 13, 2022, 5:02 AM

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much like how many older american people still dislike the japanese for example

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older being those that were alive in ww2 era

lavish cradle Feb 13, 2022, 5:03 AM

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I think it's some kind of racism, personally

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Just because a few people of a group did some bad things does absolutely not give someone the right to hate that entire group

tidal jetty Feb 13, 2022, 5:04 AM

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it doesnt give the right to it, no

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but that doesnt stop it from happening

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which is most likely what happened with the omnics

lavish cradle Feb 13, 2022, 5:05 AM

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I think so

wooden sleet Feb 13, 2022, 4:04 PM

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How bad is london calling?

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never read it

grand wedge Feb 13, 2022, 4:07 PM

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It's just bad. The story leads to nothing. The art is good but that's it.

worthy rose Feb 13, 2022, 5:32 PM

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And the robot character wasn't very good and kind of dumb tbh

iron plume Feb 13, 2022, 6:25 PM

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It's not offensively bad or anything
It's just kind of a nothingburger

peak escarp Feb 13, 2022, 6:30 PM

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the only thing of interest it adds is Mondatta meeting Tracer before his assassination

worthy rose Feb 13, 2022, 11:49 PM

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hi :)

past copper Feb 14, 2022, 12:43 AM

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Any thoughts on that rumor of an aquatic based hero?

lavish cradle Feb 14, 2022, 12:50 AM

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That would be awesome

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My friend just proposed the idea of this person being Baptiste's old friend/Talon partner

past copper Feb 14, 2022, 12:58 AM

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I mean, the only hint we’ve got is “fluid”

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And fighting in water

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Not much to go on, but honestly could mean a number of things

peak escarp Feb 14, 2022, 1:03 AM

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past copper Any thoughts on that rumor of an aquatic based hero?

he was trolling

lavish cradle Feb 14, 2022, 1:40 AM

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Who was trolling?

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This is the first I'm hearing of any of it

peak escarp Feb 14, 2022, 1:47 AM

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some streamer said something about an aquatic hero

lavish cradle Feb 14, 2022, 1:49 AM

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Either way, it's a cool concept

past copper Feb 14, 2022, 2:07 AM

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I mean, not really. What good would an aquatic hero be without water surrounding them

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Personally, I’d rather have a hero that uses chemical weaponry

dusk basin Feb 14, 2022, 2:09 AM

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Wouldn’t that be moria

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With here biotic healing hand thing

lavish cradle Feb 14, 2022, 2:09 AM

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Well, Mako uses chemical bombs, too

peak escarp Feb 14, 2022, 2:11 AM

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Mako?

past copper Feb 14, 2022, 2:11 AM

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Yea who?

peak escarp Feb 14, 2022, 2:11 AM

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you mean Roadhog?

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he doesn't use bombs

past copper Feb 14, 2022, 2:11 AM

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That’s not chemical bombs

lavish cradle Feb 14, 2022, 2:11 AM

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Yeah, sorry, I forgot his in-game name, lol

past copper Feb 14, 2022, 2:12 AM

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Those are gas canisters

lavish cradle Feb 14, 2022, 2:12 AM

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Whatever they're called

peak escarp Feb 14, 2022, 2:12 AM

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they're anti-radiation drugs

lavish cradle Feb 14, 2022, 2:12 AM

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I must be stupid, I haven't actually played in a while

past copper Feb 14, 2022, 2:13 AM

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And what I meant by chemical weapons, I was initially thinking like acid based weapon or sticky slime

peak escarp Feb 14, 2022, 2:13 AM

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Ana uses chemical weapons

past copper Feb 14, 2022, 2:14 AM

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I know, but I meant like someone who doesn’t heal

limber gate Feb 14, 2022, 3:29 AM

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we need another support hero

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in ow2

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if we don't get one I'm gonna cry

limpid agate Feb 14, 2022, 3:33 AM

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Ana and Moira are the only two heroes that use bioweapons

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If I'm not missing one

limber gate Feb 14, 2022, 3:36 AM

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limpid agate Ana and Moira are the only two heroes that use bioweapons

~~off topic but who's the person in your pfp~~

limpid agate Feb 14, 2022, 3:36 AM

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Aisaka Taiga

limber gate Feb 14, 2022, 3:36 AM

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oh of course

limpid agate Feb 14, 2022, 3:39 AM

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Bullets - Hammond, Baptiste, Ashe, Bastion, Sombra, Widowmaker
Explosives - Junkrat, Pharah
Other physical projectiles - Roadhog, Genji, Hanzo, Torbjorn
Energy "bullets" - D.Va, Cassidy, Soldier, Tracer
Other Energy Weapons - Orisa, Zarya, Mercy, Zenyatta, Echo, Symmetra
Melee - Reinhardt, Brigitte, Doomfist
Bio-weapons - Ana, Moira
Other - Sigma, Winston, Lucio, Mei, Reaper

spark parcel Feb 14, 2022, 3:44 AM

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Doesn't reaper use bullets?

limpid agate Feb 14, 2022, 3:47 AM

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No.

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We dont fully know what he uses

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They are necrotic weapons

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They might be bio weapons

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We dont really know

spark parcel Feb 14, 2022, 3:49 AM

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Ok

worthy rose Feb 14, 2022, 4:29 AM

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Could be bullets infused with necro or bio stuff like how Ana's gun is infused with bio

iron plume Feb 14, 2022, 4:30 AM

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Ana's gun isn't "infused", she straight up shoots syringes

worthy rose Feb 14, 2022, 4:31 AM

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Oh right now I remember

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I think its still possible though that Reaper's gun is infused or something

iron plume Feb 14, 2022, 4:32 AM

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yeah that wouldn't be unreasonable

past copper Feb 14, 2022, 10:34 AM

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Eh. I allows assumed Reaper’s guns were just regular shot guns that he appears to carry a number of within his coat

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Though, I base that idea on one of his sprays showing him carrying them in his coat

iron plume Feb 14, 2022, 10:41 AM

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That wouldn't explain Soldier's wounds being necrotic as described in Bastet

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even if the guns themselves are "normal" there's something about the ammo

past copper Feb 14, 2022, 10:43 AM

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Well, given he was enhanced by Moira, she might’ve also given him ammo to match how deadly he is now

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He could’ve also used that ammo to fight the Omnics during the crisis

iron plume Feb 14, 2022, 10:46 AM

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I don't think necrotic ammo would do much against robots

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It's probably a Moira-related change

past copper Feb 14, 2022, 10:47 AM

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Well, I mean he didn’t have his powers in that time

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He was just as enhanced as Jack

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And between a shotgun x2 and a rifle, which do you think would do more damage to robots

iron plume Feb 14, 2022, 10:48 AM

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an EMP, ideally

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but between those two it's range dependant more than anything

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between the six founders they cover all needs basically

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specifically Ana/Jack/Gabe/Rein for combat, long to short

past copper Feb 14, 2022, 10:49 AM

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If it’s chemical ammo, something with a kinda acidic property could help

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To at least corrode the metal on an Omnic

limber gate Feb 14, 2022, 4:16 PM

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how does reaper canonically have all these guns?

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~~basically, how does he just pull them out of his ass?~~

cosmic crest Feb 14, 2022, 4:19 PM

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All heroes have infinite ammo in game, Reaper is no different.

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He must have a finite number of shotguns in universe.

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He probably keeps a few pairs under his coat, or he is able to turn them into smoke.

limber gate Feb 14, 2022, 4:20 PM

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in universe, how is he able to pull them out of nowhere with his death blossom?

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he uses a lot of guns in death blossom iirc

cosmic crest Feb 14, 2022, 4:21 PM

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Death blossom is just him shooting and pulling out new guns really fast

limber gate Feb 14, 2022, 4:22 PM

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but how does he reload so fast

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and how does he have infinite guns canonically

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does he form them from his body?

cosmic crest Feb 14, 2022, 4:22 PM

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limber gate and how does he have infinite guns canonically

I just explained this

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He doesn't

limber gate Feb 14, 2022, 4:24 PM

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yeah sorry

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but what I meant to ask was how he doesn't stop for a while during death blossom to fire enough bullets

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if he has limited guns, how does he reload without taking the time to?

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if he doesn't, where does the extra ammo come from?

shrewd marsh Feb 14, 2022, 4:32 PM

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hes a ghost from the dead

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he just gets it i guesse

cosmic crest Feb 14, 2022, 4:33 PM

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He's not a ghost

limber gate Feb 14, 2022, 4:33 PM

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still, is it explained canonically or is it something we just have to accept is possible

shrewd marsh Feb 14, 2022, 4:34 PM

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cosmic crest He's not a ghost

what is he then

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-appears from the shadows and teleports-

cosmic crest Feb 14, 2022, 4:35 PM

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He's a super soldier with genetic modifications that allow him to turn into smoke and regenerate health.

shrewd marsh Feb 14, 2022, 4:35 PM

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he doesnt even have an actaul body

cosmic crest Feb 14, 2022, 4:35 PM

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Yes he does

shrewd marsh Feb 14, 2022, 4:35 PM

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its just shadow

limber gate Feb 14, 2022, 4:35 PM

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yes he does

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he has a physical body that quickly deteriorates and reassembles

shrewd marsh Feb 14, 2022, 4:36 PM

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he has clothing and armour

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oh

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he aint a super solider tho

limber gate Feb 14, 2022, 4:36 PM

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yes he is ;-;

shrewd marsh Feb 14, 2022, 4:36 PM

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HOW .0.

cosmic crest Feb 14, 2022, 4:36 PM

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He and Solder 76 are both super soldiers.

shrewd marsh Feb 14, 2022, 4:36 PM

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HE GRABS SHOTGUNS OUT OF THIN AIR

limber gate Feb 14, 2022, 4:37 PM

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how does that have to do with being a super soldier

shrewd marsh Feb 14, 2022, 4:37 PM

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cosmic crest He and Solder 76 are both super soldiers.

soldier also isnt, he just has a gun and can run fast

cosmic crest Feb 14, 2022, 4:37 PM

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shrewd marsh HE GRABS SHOTGUNS OUT OF THIN AIR

#lore-discussion message

shrewd marsh Feb 14, 2022, 4:37 PM

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limber gate how does that have to do with being a super soldier

it doesnt

limber gate Feb 14, 2022, 4:37 PM

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cosmic crest https://discord.com/channels/94882524378968064/180471683759472640/94281725883149...

he doesn't do it canonically?

shrewd marsh Feb 14, 2022, 4:38 PM

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cosmic crest https://discord.com/channels/94882524378968064/180471683759472640/94281725883149...

ye but reaper is the only one with infinite guns

cosmic crest Feb 14, 2022, 4:38 PM

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As I said there, he keeps more guns under his coat.

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He doesn't have an infinite amount.

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That's impossible

limber gate Feb 14, 2022, 4:39 PM

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I guess we're supposed to take for granted that he is somehow able to reload very quickly while he does death blossom

shrewd marsh Feb 14, 2022, 4:39 PM

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i can literaly try for an hour shooting on and on and i guarantee u that he doesnt keep that much under his cloak

limber gate Feb 14, 2022, 4:39 PM

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gameplay != lore

cosmic crest Feb 14, 2022, 4:39 PM

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shrewd marsh i can literaly try for an hour shooting on and on and i guarantee u that he does...

It's a video game

shrewd marsh Feb 14, 2022, 4:39 PM

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limber gate I guess we're supposed to take for granted that he is somehow able to reload ver...

yup,or he takes them out of his cloak while shooting

shrewd marsh Feb 14, 2022, 4:40 PM

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cosmic crest It's a video game

ye which is why he wouldnt be human

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HES GOT A SKULL FOR HIS FACE

cosmic crest Feb 14, 2022, 4:40 PM

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It's a mask

limber gate Feb 14, 2022, 4:40 PM

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Sigh

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I can't tell if this guy is serious or not

shrewd marsh Feb 14, 2022, 4:52 PM

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XD

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im seriouse but also laughinjg

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*laughing

shrewd marsh Feb 14, 2022, 4:52 PM

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cosmic crest It's a mask

its not a mask because no one has a face that shape

cosmic crest Feb 14, 2022, 4:54 PM

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Why would it be the shape of his face? It's not skin tight.

shrewd marsh Feb 14, 2022, 5:11 PM

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bc according to u, he has a mask and we cant see his face so that must be the shape on his face

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logically

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i give up

lavish cradle Feb 14, 2022, 5:27 PM

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@shrewd marsh how much of the actual lore do you know, exactly?

shrewd marsh Feb 14, 2022, 5:28 PM

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i dont even know whta that means tbh

lavish cradle Feb 14, 2022, 5:29 PM

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How much of the story do you know because you're probably trolling

shrewd marsh Feb 14, 2022, 5:29 PM

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and i just realized teacup and enko were right

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im just that stupid

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😄

lavish cradle Feb 14, 2022, 5:29 PM

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Lol, it's fine if you don't know everything

shrewd marsh Feb 14, 2022, 5:30 PM

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yeah thx

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when i think im right.. i go on and on

lavish cradle Feb 14, 2022, 5:30 PM

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The Overwatch lore is really hard to access, you have to look for it in a bunch of different places

shrewd marsh Feb 14, 2022, 5:31 PM

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oh lol

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what even is lore

lavish cradle Feb 14, 2022, 5:31 PM

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Like story

shrewd marsh Feb 14, 2022, 5:31 PM

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ohhhhhhh

lavish cradle Feb 14, 2022, 5:31 PM

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Story is different from gameplay in Overwatch

shrewd marsh Feb 14, 2022, 5:31 PM

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mhm, so i am not good at lore

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im better at playing the game XD

peak escarp Feb 14, 2022, 6:18 PM

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lavish cradle The Overwatch lore is really hard to access, you have to look for it in a bunch ...

fortunately we have made lists here on the channel to make it easier

lavish cradle Feb 14, 2022, 6:18 PM

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Do you know where I can access those?

peak escarp Feb 14, 2022, 6:18 PM

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they're in the pins

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or if you want every piece of lore listed in release order, I keep a google doc - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BFYjC78shFuhpu4Fm0l99qKQznIc7lPouQaikD5YvkY/edit?usp=sharing

lavish cradle Feb 14, 2022, 6:20 PM

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Wow, thanks!

limpid agate Feb 14, 2022, 8:57 PM

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You can also use the !!lorelist command in #bot-commands

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It divides links of lore up between their source

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Comics, shorts, tweets

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etc

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!!lorelist

twilit nacelleBOT Feb 14, 2022, 8:58 PM

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loreGuide -> Beginner's guide to lore
loreNewest -> The newest piece of lore

loreComics -> List of comics
LondonCalling -> List of London Calling issues
NewBlood -> List of New Blood issues

loreShorts -> List of shorts
loreTweets -> List of lore related Twitter teasers
loreText -> List of lore text articles

loreHeroes [heroName] -> List of hero bios [Or a specific hero bio]
loreWiki [pageName] -> Link to Overwatch Wiki [or a specific page]
loreOnly [userName] -> A warning so you don't NEED to ping staff

limpid agate Feb 14, 2022, 8:58 PM

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You can use these commands in #bot-commands channel with the !! flag at the start, such as !!loreComics or !!loreText

topaz ledge Feb 15, 2022, 8:11 AM

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When does the next new blood comic come out?

peak escarp Feb 15, 2022, 8:12 AM

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March

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probably the second tuesday, so March 8th

topaz ledge Feb 15, 2022, 8:12 AM

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umpf

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thx doc

raw juniper Feb 15, 2022, 1:33 PM

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Wait what

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What’s a blood comic

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Is there an overwatch comic I’ve never known???

limpid agate Feb 15, 2022, 1:36 PM

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!!newblood

twilit nacelleBOT Feb 15, 2022, 1:36 PM

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Cassidy - New Blood:
#1: https://bit.ly/3wJqcnL
#2: https://bit.ly/3ejXkd0
#3: https://bit.ly/3fbBwB3
#4: https://bit.ly/3B9zLOE
#5: March

limpid agate Feb 15, 2022, 1:36 PM

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@raw juniper This

raw juniper Feb 15, 2022, 1:37 PM

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WHAT

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THANK YOU

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Gonna read the shit out of this fuck playing qp rn

grand trench Feb 15, 2022, 8:22 PM

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hey im new to the game and lore and started watching the animations and will start reading the comics soon, does zenyatta have any comics/lore

peak escarp Feb 15, 2022, 8:23 PM

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Zenyatta appears in the short story Stone by Stone

grand trench Feb 15, 2022, 8:23 PM

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so not very much

peak escarp Feb 15, 2022, 8:23 PM

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more than some heroes

grand trench Feb 15, 2022, 8:24 PM

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ZenDisappointed

grand trench Feb 15, 2022, 8:24 PM

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peak escarp more than some heroes

wait who has the least?

peak escarp Feb 15, 2022, 8:24 PM

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Sigma

grand trench Feb 15, 2022, 8:24 PM

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was he the last added?

peak escarp Feb 15, 2022, 8:25 PM

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no, Echo was

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and Wrecking Ball has only slightly more, since he was mentioned in the lore surrounding Horizon Lunar Colony

grand trench Feb 15, 2022, 8:26 PM

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im seeing on the relations chart that mercy and genji's line is dotted is the romance not confirmed or?

peak escarp Feb 15, 2022, 8:26 PM

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it's hinted at

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they have a lot of dialogue that indicates a relationship

grand trench Feb 15, 2022, 8:27 PM

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theyd be the only 2 characters in relationship with another playable character right?

peak escarp Feb 15, 2022, 8:27 PM

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so far

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if you only mean romantic relationship, yes

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there's other kinds of relationships between heroes

grand trench Feb 15, 2022, 8:28 PM

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did lore get stopped between announcement of OW2 and now? seems some comics released

peak escarp Feb 15, 2022, 8:28 PM

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no it hasn't stopped

grand trench Feb 15, 2022, 8:28 PM

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awesome

peak escarp Feb 15, 2022, 8:29 PM

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we've gotten two multi-part comics, two short stories and two novels since then

grand trench Feb 15, 2022, 8:29 PM

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only got reunion and the OW2 launch cinamatic and im done with animations

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wait novels? as in books

peak escarp Feb 15, 2022, 8:29 PM

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as well as the lore that came with Echo's release

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yes

grand trench Feb 15, 2022, 8:29 PM

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how many are there in total

peak escarp Feb 15, 2022, 8:29 PM

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just those two

grand trench Feb 15, 2022, 8:30 PM

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its not the official cookbook right?

peak escarp Feb 15, 2022, 8:30 PM

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The Hero of Numbani covers Orisa's creation (from Efi's perspective)
Deadlock Rebels covers the founding of the Deadlock Gang (from Ashe's perspective)

grand trench Feb 15, 2022, 8:30 PM

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aight thanks, hope OW2 gets released so we get new characters soon

peak escarp Feb 15, 2022, 8:31 PM

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we'll learn more soon

grand trench Feb 15, 2022, 8:31 PM

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hopefully

past copper Feb 15, 2022, 9:12 PM

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Well, there’s a lot of talk about a beta finally dropping within the month

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Mostly for the OWL though

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While I’m sure it is a beta, I don’t think it’ll be more than the PvP

grand trench Feb 15, 2022, 9:16 PM

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hope they either keep overwatch 1 and 2 multi the same or have good optimization for OW2 my pc might not be able to handle it ZenyattaCry

past copper Feb 15, 2022, 9:26 PM

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A patch pushed to the Battle.net launcher included a new Overwatch development build labeled “2.0,” indicating testing OW2.

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That’s what it was before being changed back

opaque scroll Feb 15, 2022, 9:37 PM

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grand trench hope they either keep overwatch 1 and 2 multi the same or have good optimization...

!!ow2

twilit nacelleBOT Feb 15, 2022, 9:37 PM

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https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/overwatch/t/overwatch-developer-post-archives-overwatch-2-quick-fact-list/425653/2

https://i.imgur.com/kajHVdT.png

Imgur

opaque scroll Feb 15, 2022, 9:37 PM

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ow2 mp = ow1

edgy relic Feb 15, 2022, 10:09 PM

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twilit nacelle <https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/overwatch/t/overwatch-developer-post-archives...

The question is - will my computer be able to handle the upgraded game?

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Anyway, the reason I came to this channel is because I wanted to speculate about the story of the Watchpoint: Gibraltar map. Realistically, who would be on the attacking and defending teams? Naturally, Winston and maybe Tracer would push, but if you ask me, anyone who would want to stop them is nowhere near Gibraltar. Probably not even Tracer is close enough at the time the "Recall" short film happens, and so Winston would be pushing the payload to the rocket all by himself.

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But Tracer would support his cause, if she could get there fast enough. Who would, if they could get there in time, oppose him? Besides Reaper.

peak escarp Feb 15, 2022, 10:12 PM

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the objectives on the maps aren't canon

edgy relic Feb 15, 2022, 10:13 PM

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I realize the only canon is that Winston pushed the satellite to the rocket by himself.

peak escarp Feb 15, 2022, 10:13 PM

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Winston did launch the drone by himself, to reactivate the Overwatch communications network

edgy relic Feb 15, 2022, 10:13 PM

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Yes, I know that.

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I'm saying "If other characters knew what he was doing and could get there in time, who would push with him or support him, and who would try to stop him?" Just fun speculation. I know what the canon is, that he was by himself that day.

peak escarp Feb 15, 2022, 10:14 PM

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he launched the drone before he sent out the Recall, so nobody

edgy relic Feb 15, 2022, 10:15 PM

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Okay, I don't think you're getting the spirit of my question.

peak escarp Feb 15, 2022, 10:15 PM

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you're asking who would canonically help him launch the drone

edgy relic Feb 15, 2022, 10:16 PM

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You say that as if it's an absurd thing to wonder about.

peak escarp Feb 15, 2022, 10:16 PM

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it is

edgy relic Feb 15, 2022, 10:16 PM

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I just want to have some fun speculation.

iron plume Feb 15, 2022, 10:17 PM

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The answer to that question is no one, because no one else (other than Hammond) was on the base

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Nor did anyone else even know Winston

edgy relic Feb 15, 2022, 10:17 PM

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Yes, I know that.

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Ugh.

peak escarp Feb 15, 2022, 10:17 PM

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it's not a very good hypothetical

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if she knew he was doing it and if she was there to help, Tracer would of course help him

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but nobody would try to stop him, so her help would be unnecessary

edgy relic Feb 15, 2022, 10:20 PM

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What got me thinking about this is that on that map, Mercy says different things depending on if you're on defense or offense. On defense, she says something like "Perhaps it's good that Overwatch got shut down. Maybe it was for a good reason." And on offense, she says "I'm not used to state-of-the-art facilities like this these days." So that made me think about what each character's view on Winston's goal would be. But clearly, this channel is not interested in entertaining those thoughts, so I'll just stop saying anything on this topic anymore.

peak escarp Feb 15, 2022, 10:21 PM

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what each character's view on Winston's goal would be

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this is a worthwhile discussion topic

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you just approached it in a weird way

edgy relic Feb 15, 2022, 10:21 PM

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You immediately shut me down in a discouraging way, I feel.

peak escarp Feb 15, 2022, 10:21 PM

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I answered the question you were asking

cosmic crest Feb 15, 2022, 10:22 PM

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You framed the topic very strangely.

peak escarp Feb 15, 2022, 10:22 PM

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I didn't realize you meant something completely different

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as for opinions, we have a few from voice lines

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from Mercy, as you pointed out

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but also Soldier

iron plume Feb 15, 2022, 10:24 PM

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She did recant on that however

peak escarp Feb 15, 2022, 10:24 PM

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iron plume Feb 15, 2022, 10:24 PM

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Mercy believes in the idea of overwatch
But she had a lot of issues with how old overwatch ended up

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whereas winston/tracer were more idealistic

peak escarp Feb 15, 2022, 10:27 PM

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Soldier isn't really against bringing back Overwatch, he just doesn't see a point to it when those responsible for bringing Overwatch down in the first place (i.e. Talon) are still a threat

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up with Winston? You think the same people who brought down Overwatch won’t
take him down, too?”
Winston saw that the problems in the world were growing, and he saw
Overwatch as the solution for everything. I don’t think Winston ever questioned
why things had fallen apart. He loved it and needed it too much to see how it had
damaged and changed us all. Being in that room with Jack and Ana only reinforced
to me that we were all still broken. Doing the same thing as we had done in the past
would only lead to another disaster. The world didn’t need that. Winston’s heart was
in the right place, but that didn’t mean he was right.
“Let Winston play hero,” Jack said dismissively. “I’ll do what needs to be done.
Reyes, Ogundimu, Maximilien, Vialli, Sombra, O’Deorain, and the rest of them. They’ll be dealt with.”```

iron plume Feb 15, 2022, 10:28 PM

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"we lost a big fight to our enemy and they are still out there, better not try anymore"

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nice going genghis

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(it's almost like Overwatch primarily wasn't brought down by outside forces)

peak escarp Feb 15, 2022, 10:30 PM

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Jack doesn't think that way

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he only looks outward

iron plume Feb 15, 2022, 10:31 PM

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yeah

earnest hemlock Feb 15, 2022, 10:34 PM

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peak escarp ```“What would you have me do, then?” Jack snapped. “Fly to Gibraltar and join u...

who is vialli? and ogundimu is doomfist right?

peak escarp Feb 15, 2022, 10:34 PM

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Ogundimu is Doomfist

iron plume Feb 15, 2022, 10:34 PM

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Yes on doomfist, Vialli was a Talon money guy

peak escarp Feb 15, 2022, 10:34 PM

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Vialli was thrown off a balcony by Doomfist

iron plume Feb 15, 2022, 10:34 PM

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he got murked in Masquerade but Soldier doesn't know that

peak escarp Feb 15, 2022, 10:35 PM

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(but Jack doesn't know this)

earnest hemlock Feb 15, 2022, 10:35 PM

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Oh that guy i know who yall talkin about

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we still dont have a name for null sector chunker do we?

iron plume Feb 15, 2022, 10:35 PM

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no

peak escarp Feb 15, 2022, 10:35 PM

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interesting that Jack lists Sombra among them

earnest hemlock Feb 15, 2022, 10:35 PM

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dam

lavish cradle Feb 15, 2022, 11:06 PM

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Also note he uses her codename, whereas for everyone else he used their real last names, confirms that he has yet to find out Sombra's true identity

peak escarp Feb 15, 2022, 11:07 PM

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almost nobody knows Sombra's true identity

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most don't even know she's an individual

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in-universe people think Sombra is a collective, like Anonymous

raw juniper Feb 15, 2022, 11:19 PM

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That’s so fucking badass

peak escarp Feb 15, 2022, 11:21 PM

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https://playoverwatch.com/en-us/news/20353652/

Overwatch

LumériCo Revelations: CEO Guillermo Portero Under Fire

DORADO, MEXICO—LumériCo has been engulfed in scandal by documents brought to light by the hacker collective known as "Sombra."

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DORADO, MEXICO—LumériCo has been engulfed in scandal by documents brought to light by the hacker collective known as "Sombra." The documents are alleged to have been obtained during recent security breaches of the energy company's internal networks. While LumériCo and Mexican law enforcement have categorized these break-ins as criminal actions, the Sombra collective claims that it is "only acting in the public interest."

balmy imp Feb 15, 2022, 11:51 PM

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does doom have a full cybernetic arm or is it just a gauntlet?

cosmic crest Feb 15, 2022, 11:52 PM

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Both

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He wears the gauntlet on a cybernetic arm.

balmy imp Feb 15, 2022, 11:54 PM

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aight thx

worthy rose Feb 16, 2022, 12:06 AM

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Speaking of Soldier

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I wonder how balls to the wall Blizz is gonna make the story

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So many characters that wanna kill each other

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Hard to imagine someone in the main cast actually dying

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Doom, Reaper, Moira etc... for one

peak escarp Feb 16, 2022, 12:08 AM

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I don't think any heroes will get killed

worthy rose Feb 16, 2022, 12:08 AM

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No chance in hell Soldier or Reaper survive OW2

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Imo ofc

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One of em or both are gonna die I think

peak escarp Feb 16, 2022, 12:10 AM

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they might not even be part of the story

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at least, not the launch story

limber gate Feb 16, 2022, 12:13 AM

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what about at the end?

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like, end of the story?

peak escarp Feb 16, 2022, 12:19 AM

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maybe

worthy rose Feb 16, 2022, 12:50 AM

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Oh yeah sure as shit not the launch lol

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@peak escarp I'm sure you'll agree with me in that, like

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OW1 has been out for 6 fuckinf years and it feels like they've barely scratched the surface of the story and lore

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Disgraceful, really

peak escarp Feb 16, 2022, 12:52 AM

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I wouldn't say that

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they just haven't started telling the story yet

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most of what we've gotten so far has been set up and worldbuilding

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the present-day story of Overwatch has only just started

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and can be tracked through a handful of stories across different mediums

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everything besides this has been establishing characters or worldbuilding or setting up the history of Overwatch/Talon/Null Sector

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6 years isn't that long for a Blizzard title, and not when they're expecting to tell a story across a decade or more

worthy rose Feb 16, 2022, 12:56 AM

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I am new to Blizz stuff still but damn

peak escarp Feb 16, 2022, 12:57 AM

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I'm not the kind of person who wants every single detail infodumped on me as soon as a character is introduced, from their sexual orientation to their favourite sock

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I'd rather learn details naturally, as part of the story

worthy rose Feb 16, 2022, 12:58 AM

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Me neither ofc I'm just saying it has been soooo long

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But you guys knows this better than anyone

peak escarp Feb 16, 2022, 12:59 AM

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it may have been a long time, but the lore releases have been fairly regular

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we get something new every few months

limber gate Feb 16, 2022, 4:13 AM

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how does hanzo dragon work canonically?

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is it magic? hard light?

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hallucinations?

peak escarp Feb 16, 2022, 4:14 AM

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it hasn't been explained

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and probably never will be

limber gate Feb 16, 2022, 4:14 AM

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I don't know a way they would be able to write it in

peak escarp Feb 16, 2022, 4:14 AM

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the logical explanation is hard light

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if it's important to tell us what they are, they'll tell us

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but I don't think it's important

edgy relic Feb 16, 2022, 7:11 AM

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In-universe, how was Ganymede (Bastion's bird, or at least the bird that likes to hang out around him a lot) named?

grand trench Feb 16, 2022, 7:11 AM

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peak escarp we get something new every few months

Wait how often do comics usually release?

peak escarp Feb 16, 2022, 7:11 AM

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it varies

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New Blood started last October, and London Calling started September 2020

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and between those we got Deadlock Rebels

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so we do get several pieces of lore per year, even since things have slowed down for OW2

limpid agate Feb 16, 2022, 9:10 AM

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edgy relic In-universe, how was Ganymede (Bastion's bird, or at least the bird that likes t...

It has never been referred to by name in universe

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So who knows

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Could be Torb

edgy relic Feb 16, 2022, 9:11 AM

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It feels wrong to refer to Ganymede as "it".

limpid agate Feb 16, 2022, 9:12 AM

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I suppose I could say he, since the myhological Ganymede was male

edgy relic Feb 16, 2022, 9:12 AM

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And I read that his plushie confirmed he's male, also.

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The Ganymede plushie toy.

tidal jetty Feb 16, 2022, 9:38 AM

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edgy relic And I read that his plushie confirmed he's male, also.

yknow

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without context

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that sounds weird

edgy relic Feb 16, 2022, 9:38 AM

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https://overwatch.fandom.com/wiki/Ganymede

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No source cited, but I have no reason to doubt it.

tidal jetty Feb 16, 2022, 9:39 AM

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it sounds like it has its reproductive organs on the plushie

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like i know that probably isnt the case

edgy relic Feb 16, 2022, 9:39 AM

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And as of Overwatch 2 materials, Blizzard has switched from referring to Bastion as "it", and now "he".

edgy relic Feb 16, 2022, 9:39 AM

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tidal jetty it sounds like it has its reproductive organs on the plushie

Probably a paper tag attached to the toy uses "he".

tidal jetty Feb 16, 2022, 9:39 AM

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wasnt aware bastion units had genders

edgy relic Feb 16, 2022, 9:39 AM

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Other omnics do.

tidal jetty Feb 16, 2022, 9:39 AM

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edgy relic Probably a paper tag attached to the toy uses "he".

yeah thats what im assuming

tidal jetty Feb 16, 2022, 9:40 AM

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edgy relic Other omnics do.

yeah but i feel like those are more designed like people

edgy relic Feb 16, 2022, 9:40 AM

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And now that Bastion is evolving under Torbjorn's care, Blizzard is saying he's a he now.

tidal jetty Feb 16, 2022, 9:40 AM

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where bastion robots seem to be more designed like the droids in star wars

edgy relic Feb 16, 2022, 9:40 AM

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When Bastion had less personality, it was just another E54.

tidal jetty Feb 16, 2022, 9:40 AM

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mass produced same thing

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but yeah most likely with torb

edgy relic Feb 16, 2022, 9:40 AM

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But this particular Bastion unit, from the animated short, develops more sentience.

tidal jetty Feb 16, 2022, 9:40 AM

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he got physical and mental upgrades

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yeah

edgy relic Feb 16, 2022, 9:41 AM

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The Bastions we face in the Uprising anniversary event are always "it"s, obviously. But I think it's okay to casually refer to normal gameplay Overwatch 1 Bastion as "he".

iron plume Feb 16, 2022, 9:41 AM

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Where did you get 'he' for Bastion in OW2 from?

edgy relic Feb 16, 2022, 9:42 AM

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https://youtu.be/yOkZhgLvYD0?t=18

tidal jetty Feb 16, 2022, 9:43 AM

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iron plume Where did you get 'he' for Bastion in OW2 from?

in the trailer for his rework

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they say 'he'

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yeah

iron plume Feb 16, 2022, 9:43 AM

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ah, dev's descriptions

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those always had a bunch of 'him's sneaking in

edgy relic Feb 16, 2022, 9:43 AM

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It makes sense that as of Overwatch 2, Bastion would be more like modern omnics.

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From Torbjorn's upgrades and being around people and being peaceful with Ganymede and such.

iron plume Feb 16, 2022, 9:44 AM

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that doesn't necessarily mean conforming to a gender

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Maybe Torb will use 'he' and it'll just stick

edgy relic Feb 16, 2022, 9:45 AM

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Bastion's undergone character development. I have no qualms calling him "he", unless we're specifically talking about backstory Bastion, or any generic Bastion unit.

iron plume Feb 16, 2022, 9:45 AM

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Bastion seems pretty unconcerned about its pronouns