lore-discussion

[peak escarp]

that's pretty much all we know

[sudden mountain]

Oh ok

[scenic ermine]

im so sorry we're like bombarding you with questions but these are more foggy

but like how do omnics support themselves, do they just chill out in the underworld all day and plug themselves into a wall? since they dont need to eat or sleep or feed children why do they need these jobs other than thats what they were made for

[peak escarp]

we don't have a lot of details on that

[gusty sluice]

Yea, we dont sadly.

We have to wait for more story details

[worthy rose]

Yeah sadly the lore doesn't update much. Nothing new about my boy Reaper

[cedar prawn]

Prob gotta wait till ow2

[scenic ermine]

truu

ow2 prob isnt going to be able to cover all of that though

i say that it would be wise if they continued comics alongside the game

[peak escarp]

they will continue the lore outside the game

[limpid agate]

We will hopefully get another comic series

The anthology was not a best seller, and London Calling was rather poorly received.

Those are the biggest things that would hurt future comic development, not OW2

They will probably try it again

[gusty sluice]

I hope so 🤔

[peak escarp]

a discussion elsewhere made me curious about when was the last time each hero appeared in the lore, so I made a spreadsheet

[worthy rose]

didn't know Sombra was in Hero of Numbani. I have the novel, just gotta read it... that's interesting though

[valid terrace]

I don't know if she's ever explicitly name dropped

But it's hinted and eventually just obvious

[limpid agate]

Is this excluding cameos?

[peak escarp]

yes

[limpid agate]

Still a few mistakes then, making a list

[peak escarp]

I considered Widowmaker's appearance in London Calling a cameo, since she doesn't do anything new compared to Alive

[limpid agate]

• Hanzo cameoed in Reflections
• Pharah cameoed in Reflections
• Widowmaker starred in London Calling chapter 2. This isn't a cameo, she's the main villain of that chapter.
• Wasted Land came out September 6th for Junkrat/Roadhog, after The Plan
• Binary came out 2017, not 2018. So Torb's last appearance is Uprising
• Mercy is the protag of Valkyrie, which released after Zero Hour

12 panels, directly involved in the events, multiple close ups

Is not a cameo

[peak escarp]

that's what I get for making the list in a hurry

there, fixed

[peak escarp]

the point of this list was to see who had gone the longest without being featured in lore

Hanzo and Pharah haven't been featured in over 5 years

[past copper]

I kinda think it’s because those two are sorta doing their own things that don’t directly relate to what’s happening with Overwatch until Null Sector attacks again

[worn island]

I wonder where in the world Hanzo would be rn

[peak escarp]

at least we know Pharah will be joining up with Overwatch

Hanzo is one of the heroes the writers said they were having trouble including in the story

[worn island]

where/when did they say that?

[peak escarp]

it was during one of the panels

let me see if I can find it

https://youtu.be/Dgm4mrUsrvA?t=99

Jeff calls out Hanzo and Wrecking Ball as "edge cases" that don't really fit in

[limpid agate]

For what heroes will be in OW2's story, who won't be, and who I personally speculate will be absent or featured:

Confirmed - Baptiste, Bastion, Brigitte, D.Va, Doomfist, Echo, Genji, Lucio, McCree, Mei, Mercy, Orisa, Pharah, Reinhardt, Sojourn, Sombra, Torbjorn, Tracer, Widowmaker, Winston, Zarya, Zenyatta

Likely - Hanzo, Moira, Reaper

Unlikely - Ana, Ashe, Roadhog, Sigma, Soldier 76, Symmetra, Hammond

Deconfirmed - Junkrat```

[gusty sluice]

What role does Junkrat do in the story? Like he seems out of place in the main story of the game.

[limpid agate]

Comic relief

[gusty sluice]

gotcha

[compact cobalt]

I could see Hanzo being in a mission if japan was threatened by talon or null sector

That’s about it

[compact cobalt]

I don’t agree with sym honestly

She prob will be in it

Redemption arc maybe

[limpid agate]

She wasn't shown on the team in the footage of the India mission

And we know isnt there in Rio

She has no reason to be elsewhere in the world

[compact cobalt]

Yeah but she works with vishkar right

[limpid agate]

Yes.

[compact cobalt]

And they work with talon

[peak escarp]

no

[limpid agate]

If Vishkar/Sanjay play a major role

She will be there.

Otherwise

She wont

[peak escarp]

Sanjay works with Talon

[compact cobalt]

Yeah that’s what I mean

[peak escarp]

we don't know if Vishkar is complicit

[limpid agate]

This is the team they showed

So India and Toronto both take place after Pharah joines

Which is also after Rio

[compact cobalt]

We might get to pick from the heroes

[limpid agate]

So it looks like the order is:

• Rio
• Pharah
• Toronto/India/Gothenburg/D.Va/Baptiste/Zarya
  With not enough info for the rest of the group

[peak escarp]

the story order is also subject to change - during the behind the scenes they mentioned putting Rio at the end

[limpid agate]

Actually uhh

[peak escarp]

I don't think we have enough info to determine an order yet

[limpid agate]

So it looks like the order is:

• Rio
• Pharah
• Potentially India
• Toronto
• Potentially India/Gothenburg/D.Va/Baptiste/Zarya

Since no one seems to join the team in India

And the side by sides they showed with concept art and the cinematic showed no signs of Bastion/D.Va/Baptiste/Zarya

[compact cobalt]

We probably get a selection of heroes anyways dude

[limpid agate]

Yeah.

Of course

We dont know who is in India

Just at least those 4, Widow, and Sombra

And presumably the rest of the OW team

So Tracer, Mei, Mercy, Brig, Rein, Echo, and Lucio.

Did I miss someone?

[compact cobalt]

Most likely zen asks for help and the whole squad pulls up

[arctic loom]

no ana and soldier?

[limpid agate]

Valkyrie more or less confirms they wont join the team

[arctic loom]

arent they helping the new overwatch team? i expected something like that but seems

they really retired

[compact cobalt]

They are not involved with the squad

[limpid agate]

They're not retired

They're fighting.

Just fighting a different battle.

Winston saw that the problems in the world were growing, and he saw Overwatch as the solution for everything. I don’t think Winston ever questioned why things had fallen apart. He loved it and needed it too much to see how it had damaged and changed us all. Being in that room with Jack and Ana only reinforced to me that we were all still broken. Doing the same thing as we had done in the past would only lead to another disaster. The world didn’t need that. Winston’s heart was in the right place, but that didn’t mean he was right.

“Let Winston play hero,” Jack said dismissively. “I’ll do what needs to be done. Reyes, Ogundimu, Maximilien, Vialli, Sombra, O’Deorain, and the rest of them. They’ll be dealt with.”```

[compact cobalt]

We can assume Ana soldier and reaper will get something when ow2 comes around, cutscene, mission, comic, short, etc

[peak escarp]

the Old Soldiers subplot will probably continue outside the game

in short stories/comics/etc.

but unless they get 2 more heroes on their side, it's unlikely there will be any playable missions for them

[limpid agate]

And a convo between Mercy and Ana from that same story

“Idealism is for the young, Angela,” she said. “Try not to judge us too harshly. Once people call you a hero, it’s hard to put the mantle down.” She smiled sadly. There was nothing left to say. Eventually, she patted my shoulder gently, and then she was gone, too, swallowed by the darkness.```

[arctic loom]

and why not sigma, talon had release him from a reason

[limpid agate]

Hamid Faisal is one.

[limpid agate]

Sigma isn't an important character. He's not even a villain.

[compact cobalt]

Keep in mind sigma was just added in without them building the story around him

[peak escarp]

Sigma is being kept in a lab and is being lied to about his purpose there

[compact cobalt]

He was supposed to be mauga

[arctic loom]

mauga still on talon then? just bap left it

[compact cobalt]

Yeah

[peak escarp]

yes

[limpid agate]

Yes

But Mauga isnt a hero

So I didnt list him

Same reason I excluded Sojourn and Junkerqueen

[compact cobalt]

He’s basically confirmed

But we just gotta wait for official reveal

[arctic loom]

and at some point in the game mccree and pharah will join the overwatch

[past copper]

It kinda looks like McCree joins just before Toronto since that’s where they meet up with Sojourn

[iron plume]

well, McCree won't

[peak escarp]

whatever his name is

[iron plume]

and we don't really know when he joins yet

[past copper]

Bro, I don’t care what his new name will be. They could call him Billy James for all I care, I’m still calling him McCree

[iron plume]

Not a "bro"
and good for you I guess

[past copper]

I’m just saying. The devs will change his name, then players will complain about it to be changed back. Stuff like that happens often. Though, mostly to heroes being “OP” in game. A name change though is kinda a more drastic step

[iron plume]

They're not changing it back

[cosmic crest]

I'll accept the new name if it's not a retcon.

[limpid agate]

This is a pointless comment to be making.

Mccree will be.

Him being named McCree is a meaningless semantic here.

[limpid agate]

The trailer makes it look like he joins during the Toronto mission, not prior.

Which leaves questions that will hopefully be answered by the McCre eevent

Presumably to release in November

[iron plume]

Get the hint and stay on topic

[compact cobalt]

Anyone know what happened to mcrees arm

[limpid agate]

No

[peak escarp]

it's possible the new story arc will give us an explanation

[limpid agate]

Very likely it will

Its uncanny how they have fallen into the exact perfect scenario to have to rename a character

Where the one character is the one who:

• Already is hinted at having another alter ego
• Has an explicitly mysterious origin that no one knows from the crisis and earlier
• Has only been referred to by name in the past 6 years by people who havent seen him in over 6 years (who he then proceeds to shoot with bullets.)

With McCree they CAN write a story where they can justify the name change without retconning anything older

[peak escarp]

best case scenario for them

[iron plume]

Other than Sombra, arguably
But yes

[limpid agate]

And I am expecting they will squander it

[compact cobalt]

Didn’t alexandra say her name in the Zarya comic

[iron plume]

Yes

But unlike McCree it's only brought up in that one comic

and she could've easily lied

[limpid agate]

Sombra they wouldnt need to rename. They can just never mention it again and keep it as || ||

[iron plume]

Sombra that is

that too

[limpid agate]

The tricky ones are like

Ashe, whose name is engrained deeply into her identity and history.

The families of Brig/Torb and Ana/Pharah and Shimadas

International superstar Lucio

Mostly normal scientists like Mei and Moira

Zarya and Baptiste are also harder to rename.

[iron plume]

Zarya's name isn't brought up all that much
she'd be harder to "rename" but a much easier sell on the retcon

yes her nickname/codename/whatever is based on her name, but it still means Dawn so it doesn't have to be dependant on it

anyway we've got a bit astray
McCree is in a good situation yes
other than his hero name also being his name

[limpid agate]

Characterwise, Zarya is an honest and patriotic soldier

They would have to retcon her or majorly change her character to not retcon.

[iron plume]

yes
thus I'm not talking about a story with her change

[limpid agate]

I am

[iron plume]

I literally brought up that it would be a retcon

and as an aside, I could totally see a "katya does shady corporate shit and sets Zarya up" situation happening
but again beside the point

[limpid agate]

She wouldnt rename herself there though. Which is why I said aside from majorly changing her character.

[iron plume]

If she needed to hide then she would

[limpid agate]

Which is why I said aside from majorly changing her character. She wouldn't do that.

She is too proud.

[iron plume]

Not much of a choice when you're set up by the most powerful person in your country

[limpid agate]

It is a choice when you're the strongest woman alive and want to make a show of it.

[iron plume]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[limpid agate]

The only reason she didnt turn against Katya was because it was for the greater good of Russia

If Katya started acting against Russian's best interests

That's different

And if that were the case, she wouldnt hide out of shame.

She would either fight back, or accept it and leave for the greater good

[iron plume]

Why would it be shame
It's a strategic decision

[limpid agate]

A name is more than just those sounds that you recognize when people are addressing you.

Especially in certain cultures.

Zarya's is one of those.

To contrast, the world doesn't need Jesse McCree

[iron plume]

I'm not sure how it's more important than elsewhere, but getting back to actual things that exist

I'd like to know Zarya's patronymic

oh
hm

oh no that's probably also a mccree thing

They don't list "real name" on the hero's bios anymore

it's still brought up in the story description, but not listed separately

[peak escarp]

huh

[peak escarp]

😠

[limpid agate]

Which is why I said only the heroes whose names are their codenames

[peak escarp]

I hope that's only temporary

[iron plume]

For a moment I forgot about the drama and got excited we'd get some Sombra-like name fuckery for the new heroes

but alas

[past copper]

It’s probably only temporary until they deal with McCree’s name change. Probably looking into other devs just in case so that they don’t have another situation like Jesse McCree

[iron plume]

The other devs don't have heroes named after them

but yes, hope that gets reinstated after his change

might as well give us Zarya's patronymic at the same time

one can hope

[past copper]

Well, you never know. Either it’s names of devs or names of actual people with certain backstories

In some cases, better safe than sorry

[limpid agate]

Other than TOrbjorn

Who is hard to rename

[past copper]

That is true

But mostly it’s due to the whole thing with Jesse McCree’s name being a wake up call to Blizzard to be careful what they name a hero

[iron plume]

not just heroes, they've removed all references to real people

[past copper]

Yeah, that too

[limpid agate]

That's definitely not the case

[iron plume]

well they're aiming to anyway
rip Jeph's pizzeria

[past copper]

I didn’t know that one. I’m also curious to know why, but my first guess is to avoid lawsuits

[peak escarp]

we'll have to see what happens to Director Petras/the Petras Act, the Patisserie Galand, etc.

[iron plume]

It's to preemptively avoid the McCree situation happening in the future, just in case

[past copper]

So to avoid lawsuits. Excuse me, further lawsuits

Makes sense

[iron plume]

There aren't any lawsuits about game-McCree

but there is pressure, both public and presumably internally

[past copper]

Define pressure. Because I’m pretty sure that they’re being pressured by public, in their own company and to add fuel to the fire by Activision. Though, I don’t think it’s as bad as what was happening with Cyberpunk

[peak escarp]

pressure as in, people demanding it on twitter, reddit and the forums

also from their own co-workers who don't want to be reminded every time they make content for McCree

[past copper]

Understandable, but that’s because Blizzard is having to make changes both in their company and all while doing the same thing for a game. It’s very concerning

[worthy rose]

McCree defeated using a laser cutter. ... After trying the laser cutter on the handcuffs and realising that isn't working the both had to cut each other's arms. Is it true?

[iron plume]

...no

[scenic ermine]

u guys know how in london calling they still have vinyls

do u think it was the writing department being lazy or it was intentional, that the people in the future still cling onto the past

[iron plume]

I mean
we have vinyls now and there's no practical reason to use them over digital

[scenic ermine]

i would think they would have something more advanced, sombra is litterally part cyborg and can hack stuff by touching it

[iron plume]

they've actually gained in popularity recently

[scenic ermine]

yeah

[iron plume]

It's a sentimental thing

[scenic ermine]

i understand the want of buying physical collectable music

but what if they made something physical yet enhanced the sound quality

[iron plume]

There's a sentimental connection about vinyls specifically
Since they're listening to the music from when it was the main media for sound

Some of them may even be initial prints

[scenic ermine]

ah tru

[peak escarp]

retro stuff will always have fans

Havana is full of retro cars

[gusty sluice]

Same here. The entire story in this game always referred to him as Mccree atm. Players that came to Overwatch before his name change will still refer to his future older hero name regardless what will be. The name Mccree will be always associated with this hero as his name is synonymous with his own story and life.

[peak escarp]

people who are new to the game will call him by his new name, and be confused by people calling him McCree

[gusty sluice]

Yes, i believe so. I played this game since 2018 so, it might be a hard adjustment.

[past copper]

Well, people have also claimed his name change wouldn’t make a real difference to what the problem was in the first place. But I don’t know. On the one hand, people are too sensitive. On the other hand, people just can’t be completely satisfied. So, it is what it is I guess

[winged granite]

Just change his first name

“James McCree”

[peak escarp]

what difference does it make?

[winged granite]

It pleases both sides of the coin

[peak escarp]

one side wants the name changed completely

that doesn't please both sides

[winged granite]

If I’m not mistaken the whacko braindead fool they named the hero after is fully named Jesse McCree yes?

[peak escarp]

yes

[winged granite]

There are multiple other people on this planet who share the surname “McCree”

[peak escarp]

so?

he wasn't named after them

[winged granite]

Simply turns out the cowboy in Overwatch is one of them

[desert yacht]

if widowmaker had her visor on then she would've been able to tell what sombra was doing

[winged granite]

Change the first name so that the reputation of Jesse McCree is tarnished rightfully whilst long time players don’t get confused by having to refer to McCree as a different name

[desert yacht]

i think that's why she looks like she knows what sombra was doing

[peak escarp]

maybe

[winged granite]

Simply put: it’s a win win

[winged granite]

True, or what if they hired hanzo to spam sonic arrows everywhere if they suspected she was spying on them?

[peak escarp]

it's not up to you, or me, or anyone here

it's up to the devs

and if they want to change his whole name or just part of it, it's up to them

[winged granite]

I never said it was up to me, I was just coming up with a plausible suggestion that would upset the fewest members of the community

[scenic ermine]

i think its really based that they're changing his name

if they did name it after someone on the team who had proven accusations of SA thats hella clapped

ah blizzard, your heads in your ass but your heart is in the right place

[peak escarp]

Team 4 are some of the good ones

I don't care for the rest of Blizzard, but the OW team sound like good people

[winged granite]

I mean it only seems fair

At the time they didn’t know that [redacted] was a skunk so with this new knowledge they are acting upon change

[lime flax]

Ok wtf is going on with the art of overwatch volume 2? The dates said it'd release on the 15th, then the 19th, and now Amazon says it'll release on Nov 30th. There are multiple conflicting dates and all I want is some damn news about OW2

[peak escarp]

dunno

maybe they delayed it so they could include the rename

[past copper]

Makes sense, but who knows. Maybe don’t check Amazon. Some places on it aren’t reliable

[peak escarp]

where else would you look?

[past copper]

Don’t know. All I know is that Amazon isn’t always a reliable place to look for stuff you want. Depending on what it is.

May depend if you want a hardcover book or to get it on your device

[lime flax]

Target says Nov 30th, Darkhorse's page says January 2022, some sites say it's already been released, what a mess

[peak escarp]

the January one is the special edition, no?

[compact cobalt]

Widow does not care at all about what sombra does

She just wants to kill that’s it

[desert yacht]

if she didn't care she wouldn't have an interaction with reaper about her distrust about sombra

she obviously must care a little bit about what sombra's doing

[worthy rose]

I like that McCree's name is being changed

We lose the gross guy connected to it
AND the victims dont have to speak his name again

idgaf if it's for clout or press or w/e

the victims move on even though Blizzard won't change

[worthy rose]

I'm rambling but actually if you look at it like this then it's not like there aren't already 30 other abusers at Blizz already acting up rn

[subtle zodiac]

wait mccree is changing?

[worthy rose]

new name

[subtle zodiac]

do we know it yet

[worthy rose]

nope

[peak escarp]

not yet

[worthy rose]

Will be revealed in Nov

[peak escarp]

probably in November, after the event

my guess is Nov 8

[subtle zodiac]

thats too long

[worthy rose]

Is it bad for me to say Im also happy cause this means we're getting new content LOL

[subtle zodiac]

i gotta know now

[peak escarp]

well they announced that it would be changed on August 27

[flint epoch]

No def no

[peak escarp]

so it's already been almost 2 months since the announcement

[flint epoch]

Theyl probably take the opportunity to make a developer update

[worthy rose]

If you look at it another way then this is just a little McCree centered storyline where he changes his name

[worthy rose]

ayooooo

what will mcree’s new name be?

and why does mcree say for echo to say hi for him? is he not coming back to overwatch?

[limpid agate]

That was the implication.

But as we saw from BlizzConline, he joins up anyways.

We don't know the new name yet.

I personally speculate it will be Joel Morricone, easiest name they can give him without a major retcon.

We will likely find out next month

[worthy rose]

what’s that?

[worthy rose]

why next month?

[iron plume]

It's the online-broadcast Blizzcon version they had in February
It showed him getting together with new-Overwatch in OW2

I never thought he wouldn't be coming back, but he will come later
We saw Echo join up in Zero Hour, but McCree joins up later in the story

[worthy rose]

whoaaaa, can i find that online? is it a comic? a video?

[iron plume]

It's a convention
But there are videos
Such as this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRj-GotnNaQ

[worthy rose]

thanks

[iron plume]

You don't need to ping me every time

[iron plume]

And as for this

When they announced the name would be changed, they've said there's some upcoming lore featuring him

Presumably it will happen soon-ish after halloween ends

[worthy rose]

oh niceee

does that mean a new comic? new animated short?

[iron plume]

we don't know yet

might be a short story

[worthy rose]

oh dope

how can i be one of the first to find out? will it be on their twitter or something?

[iron plume]

yes
we'll also post it to #overwatch-news

[worthy rose]

awesome!!

thanks!

[topaz ledge]

doesn't hanzo's storm arrow ability prove that he can use hard light?

[iron plume]

Presumably it's the same technology as his dragons
So, possibly

[topaz ledge]

Yes that's what i was thinking

[valid terrace]

That's what he says

But people have claimed different things to be spiritual as well

That doesn't mean it isn't technology we know about

[iron plume]

No

[peak escarp]

dragons don't exist

[worthy rose]

OW's universe is ALL technology

absolutely no magic or fantasy themes exist

[kindred snow]

You can actually read about their back stories to learn more about them- I found it quite fun to read them all! They don't mention magic- it's mainly just futuristic technology gone wrong LOL

[limpid agate]

Rarely gone wrong

Usually intentional

The only gone wrongs are Reaper, Sigma and Tracer off the top of my head.

[kindred snow]

Yeah tracer's back story is awesome! Most of the sadder stories are affiliated with Talon I think?

[worthy rose]

Yep. Characters like Reaper and Widow have very sad stories

[scenic ermine]

how long was tracer gone for? i read up on it but i cant find the specific amount of time like a couple weeks or months?

[peak escarp]

seems to be a few weeks

[arctic loom]

i just saw

the artbook got delayed then

[peak escarp]

yeah

probably due to the McCree rename

[arctic loom]

yep i had think the same

it says november 30

so we might get a update in game

that month with the new name?

possible

[peak escarp]

the McCree story arc should be out some time in November

and the in-game update should come with it

[past copper]

I just hope the BlizzConline will be soon in November

Show how far along the game is and McCree’s rename

[peak escarp]

Blizzconline won't be until early next year

But we don’t want to let too long go by before we connect with everyone again. So in the meantime, we’re planning a global event for the early part of next year, combining an online show along the lines of our recent BlizzConline with smaller in-person gatherings, and we’ll share more as our plans come together.

[past copper]

BlizzConline or whatever. All that matters is seeing how far along the game is to please the masses

[topaz ledge]

I just heard why they changin mcree's name

Kind of logical since his name does in fact come from that guy

[long dove]

Does anyone know what the D.Va remake for Overwatch 2 will look like? That is, if there is going to be one?

[long dove]

Wait, there changing Mcree's name?

[peak escarp]

we don't know yet, it hasn't been revealed

[topaz ledge]

Yup, look it up

[peak escarp]

long story short, Jesse McCree was named after a dev, that dev was involved in the harassment lawsuit, Blizzard decides to rename the hero

also we were supposed to get a new story arc involving him back in September which had to be delayed so they could write in the rename

[kind hare]

y'all rockin with Cole Cassidy???

its ya boy, Cole

[peak escarp]

I like it

it's got alliteration, and a good cowboy reference

[limpid agate]

And they blew it

Mostly

It at least acknowledges he changes his name in universe

I gotta read the full story

But this seems like they just struck one of those chances off the book

Maybe they didnt blow it.

[peak escarp]

yeah, the story will tell

[potent vapor]

They couldn't just release the short story first

Instead of announcing the name

[limpid agate]

The story drops Oct 26th

[potent vapor]

Yea I know

[limpid agate]

This is the teaser for the story

[potent vapor]

Weird way to do it.

[limpid agate]

That's not whats weird

The name is what's weird.

[potent vapor]

Well, that too lol

[limpid agate]

But it looks like they are making the most of what they have

[arctic loom]

we got

[limpid agate]

His birth name is Cole

[arctic loom]

new name

[limpid agate]

He changed it To Jesse

[arctic loom]

but i kind late

[potent vapor]

I am so used to McCree, though Sombra has hinted it wasn't his real name.

[limpid agate]

And now that Jesse is a shitty person to the world with a high bounty

He goes to Cole to try and become a good guy for once.

There is still potential its not blown

That was just a gut reaction that it wasn't Joel

[potent vapor]

Harvey?

[limpid agate]

Joel Morricone would have been the easiest route because it was already set up as one of Jesse McCree's aliases

[potent vapor]

And it works as a sly reference to the composer.

[peak escarp]

Joel Morricone sounds too much like Jack Morrison though

[potent vapor]

Maybe Activision wanted to save on lettering for merch lmao

"The less letters, the more money we have to pay off all the settlements!"

But yea, I can't wait to see all the new voice lines around this.

[arctic loom]

for me its fine

the name

[worthy rose]

hey i just found out about his name change

Cole Cassidy

not bad

[peak escarp]

I love it

[worthy rose]

same

sounds like a perfect name for him actually

“Cassidy”

love it

[modest raft]

Was the name change necessary? I heard mcree was a fake name anyways

To be clear I don’t hate the name change and I’m not against it

[peak escarp]

if it was a fake name anyway why does it matter?

[iron plume]

Hooray for second best cowboy Cassidy

[modest raft]

Because from what I heard people wanted it changed because mcree was named after a dude who did bad stuff or speculated to be but it was a fake name

In all honesty I like the new name more, I was just pointing something out even if it does mean nothing in the grand scheme

[worthy rose]

apparently it was tied to a guy who worked at overwatch but was fired for sexual misconduct or something?

so i think it was changed cuz of that

[iron plume]

He didn’t work on OW

But he was at Blizzard

[worthy rose]

yeah that

i think of them as the same lol

[modest raft]

I know it was tied to a guy but the name for the character itself wasn’t real….actually looking back it being fake doesn’t matter if the character uses it I guess

[arctic loom]

so how going be looking on gallery cole

or cassidy?

cassidy cole?

[modest raft]

I wonder do you think they’ll redub mcree animation with ash so he’s called something cole Cassidy or did he JUST change his name now?

[peak escarp]

just Cassidy

[arctic loom]

ashe going probably call him...

[peak escarp]

they already said they won't change old lore

[arctic loom]

cassidy cole....

what sounds cool

[peak escarp]

the name isn't being retconned in, he's just using it going forward

[modest raft]

That’s neat

Maybe even pog

[arctic loom]

well i believe people will get used

to that name eventually

[peak escarp]

they'll get used to it

[arctic loom]

but i believe you have a funko pop with the original name right?

[peak escarp]

or they'll just call him cowboy

his name isn't on the funko

[arctic loom]

but its on the box

[peak escarp]

who keeps the box?

[arctic loom]

some people do, and i believe this will become rare to sell

[iron plume]

The ones who’d care about a rare collectible do

[arctic loom]

the funko pop with the original name in box will have a big value

just wait for it

[opaque tundra]

Cole Cassidy isn't bad at all actually

[peak escarp]

it's got a nice sound

[iron plume]

That it does

[random cape]

Cassidy sounds sick

[worthy rose]

😂

[worthy rose]

People in main ow chat are whiny bitches but like

the new name aint bad at all

[peak escarp]

it will take some time for it to settle in

[limpid grail]

I think it sounds great! They did a great job tbh thought they’d ruin it

[opal steeple]

same ! i actually really like the new name

it fits very well

[rancid egret]

i appreciate you changing your bio already that’s some commitment

[past copper]

I don’t mind the name. Cole Cassidy. But I’m still calling him McCree. It’s just easier to remove his first name rather than try to remember his new name

I’m just saying, Jesse McCree sounded more unique to a cowboy. Now the name Cole Cassidy reminds me of Butch Cassidy

[compact cobalt]

that was most likely the point

and cole came from it being similar to ashe(if you burn coal you get ash)

if I had to guess

[gusty sluice]

Cole Cassidy?? Idk it sounds too old fashioned to be in 2070s ish

[limpid agate]

He would have been born in the 2030s/40s

[restive flower]

I bet the real reason McCree changed his name is because he was embarassed

[peak escarp]

easiest way to remember is to use it frequently

[iron plume]

nice

[atomic urchin]

Mccree is better thab stupid cole cassidy

[worthy rose]

Is Cassidy his new name?

[atomic urchin]

days n hours

[iron plume]

Cole Cassidy as the "real" name, just Cassidy as the hero name

[iron plume]

Don't spread misinformation based on guesses

[restive flower]

Thank god. I have more problems with Cole than Cassidy.

[gusty sluice]

so. does it work like this storywise: cole cassidy ashamed of his past , changed his name to jesse mccree when he joined deadlock then to overwatch. when he returned to overwatch, he decided to revert back to cole cassidy

[iron plume]

No

Well, mostly yes, just the first part

He didn't have much of a past when he changed to McCree
So it's most likely he just did to protect his real identity (or seem cooler, or whatever, we might see yet)

Stayed as McCree during his time in Deadlock, then Blackwatch, then an independent vigilante

[peak escarp]

it seems like he was a teenage runaway and ditched his real name when he left home

[iron plume]

Then Something happens (presumably, the story that's coming out soon will tell us what), he gets inspired to be a hero, which causes him to drop the fake name and seek to join the new overwatch

yeah it's most likely that
Just didn't want it

[worthy rose]

will they edit the pre-game interactions which mention cassidy’s former name or just delete them?

I feel like blizz are too lazy to fix them

[iron plume]

They've already deleted them for now

[peak escarp]

they'll record new ones

[iron plume]

I think they'll be gradually re-added as they get time with the VAs

[gusty sluice]

it would make sense if ashe still calls him mccree in the short

[iron plume]

Because they're not calling them in to change one word

[worthy rose]

wait she still calls him mccree in the short?

[iron plume]

yes

And that's not going to change, they're not redoing the existing lore

[worthy rose]

I would’ve thought they just blanked out the audio

[peak escarp]

he still went by McCree at that point

so they don't need to change it

[worthy rose]

ohhhh

[gusty sluice]

makes sense

[peak escarp]

the name change is effective in present day, not a retcon

[iron plume]

Yes
It's not a retcon or a complete removal
It's just not his real name, which he will reveal to people

[gusty sluice]

it makes sense if cole called himself as jesse mccree during his entire time in the gang. i see no retcon with the short. not sure about the archives missions

they might keep it since it was 8 years in the past, right?

[iron plume]

we're yet to see what happens in game

but it's not unlikely that he'll still be called mccree in that time

[peak escarp]

preferably they won't change the dialogue, but they probably will

just edit out his name completely

[topaz ledge]

They're lucky his lore already could fit a name change

[limpid agate]

Yeah

[worthy rose]

tbh any of the characters could

just some of em are easier

like reaper, soldier 76, cree

can't think of any that would be hard

maybe bastion or echo or smth?

but then you could say they wanted their "own" name right

oh am i stupid why would echo or bastion even change their name in the first place lol

[topaz ledge]

Should we (the community) just say cass or cassidy now?

[lunar otter]

I would say Cass but if I'm being honest it'll be hard to not say McCree

[grand wedge]

Andy told us his name will be Cassidy in the hero menu/gallery

[topaz ledge]

I know thats why i said that

[hidden summit]

I will still call him McCree

Cassidy sounds stupid

I think the whole name change is stupid in the first place

[blissful lichen]

This

[peak escarp]

you'll have to change eventually

people will be confused about who "McCree" is, since there will be nobody in the hero gallery with that name

[native venture]

no i think the name change makes sense, cole cassidy is just kind of a bad name

[peak escarp]

how is it bad?

[native venture]

it doesn’t have that cowboy feel to it, imo? but cass is a good nickname to me
or it could be that everyone’s ragging on it cause people hate change

[peak escarp]

. . . doesn't have a cowboy feel

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butch_Cassidy

[native venture]

this doesn’t change much honestly
it hasn’t got that ring to it, at least the cole part doesn’t
but call him that i will 🙇

[peak escarp]

well nobody is going to stop you, but at some point, people will be confused

[native venture]

nooo i’m saying i’ll use cole despite not caring for it
i don’t want to call him his old name that feels quite disrespectful actually

[frosty shell]

There's also Hopalong Cassidy

Which is what i though of first

[peak escarp]

I can't wait for the story to come out

[lunar otter]

Same

It will be quite interesting

[worthy rose]

Me too. I just wish it wasn't taking so long for OW 2 to come out

[arctic loom]

pretty much next year coming

they not even more doing commentary about pve

i believe because they not want give more spoilers

about story

they only showing about pvp stuff

so i believe pve is done? idk

[peak escarp]

probably

[limpid agate]

The biggest question is

Will we get more before BlizzConline 2

[peak escarp]

I would like more info, but if Blizzconline 2 is in February like the last one, there's not much time between now and then

[worthy rose]

they can prolly show off either a new hero (very doubtful)

or another hero rework (possible)

or even just new stages or story content smth

we'll get something new im sure

[peak escarp]

if they wanted to show something big, they'd show off some (not all) of the new heroes

[worthy rose]

they did say it was possible for new heroes to show up in the april 2022 OWL build

but i just assume they're talking out of their ass

[peak escarp]

that was them hinting that there might be new heroes in the build OWL plays

which is entirely possible, and would increase viewership a lot

[arctic loom]

so owl players will get the game before, and two months later or more

its our time to play

[peak escarp]

something like that

[arctic loom]

i expect at least 4 new heroes with ow 2 release

one of they being sojourn of course

[peak escarp]

I expect at least 8

[arctic loom]

geez 8 i really doubt

but would be a lot great

[peak escarp]

if we had continued the regular release of heroes (a hero every march, july and november), we would have 39 heroes by May 2022

[arctic loom]

i cant imagine overwatch with 50 heroes in the next 5 years

[peak escarp]

and during a Blizzcon 2019, some of the devs said they'd be "pushing 40 heroes" when OW2 comes out

[arctic loom]

going start being confuse

to me

[peak escarp]

I just care about the characters

[gusty sluice]

This is more than the current roster

[peak escarp]

that's the idea

[atomic urchin]

and mauga

[peak escarp]

Mauga might not be a launch hero

[limpid agate]

Mauga, Sojourn, and Junkerqueen are the big 3

But Mauga may or may not be launch

And the Kanezaka hero most likely will be launch

[past copper]

It may depend on his kit. The kit they were making for Mauga didn’t fit him, so they made Sigma in his place

As far as we do know, Mauga basically has a pair of mini-guns and a barrier. Other than that, we don’t really know how Mauga can become a hero

[worthy rose]

is Junker Queen confirmed or just really really popular in the community's speculation?

[past copper]

Personally, I think they should make him unique from the Heavy Assault. Maybe take away one of the mini-guns and make his barrier like a round hardlight shield in way like Reinhardt

[peak escarp]

her first-person assets were spotted in the Blizzconline Behind the Scenes panel

why make first-person assets if she's not going to be playable?

[worthy rose]

ooh now THAT seems very possible
the only other thing i could think of is just a re-used weapon for another character, but its more likely for junker queen

[peak escarp]

it's not confirmed, but it's strongly possible

[worthy rose]

I remember them saying the junkers arent really lore characters so i had doubts about the queen being added, but i guess new heroes dont have to be for lore

[peak escarp]

for Mauga, all we have is the former Game Director saying "we still want to use Mauga"

[past copper]

Well, maybe something happened to Mauga in the explosion. He could’ve possibly had like a different way of thinking out his weaponry. One mini-gun, which if I remember, a concept art of Talon Troopers shows this will happen, a mobile hardlight barrier, and whatever game abilities they’ll give him.

[limpid agate]

You're thinking of this.

That wont happen.

[past copper]

I don’t remember, but didn’t Talon Heavy Assault have a charge at people when they weren’t shooting? That could work for Mauga. It’s not like Reinhardt, but more like D.Va flying at people

No. Not that art. The one for OW2

That artwork is cooler though

[past copper]

I mean, I’m just spitballing an idea here. Baptiste couldn’t find Mauga after that explosion. So, what if Mauga was heavily injured in said explosion and required prosthetics from Talon? It’s just an idea though. I don’t know how powerful fuel explosions can be, but I do know that even if Mauga is built like a tank, even he couldn’t come out of a blast unscathed

[limpid agate]

I do not think he was that injured

He will likely still be that heavy assault tank

[past copper]

Don’t be shitposting dunamis

[peak escarp]

he didn't die

[compact cobalt]

Baptiste will most likely be a very important character so mauga is for sure coming

He also fits the brawler type style that the ow devs want

[worthy rose]

i dont have much to back this up other than just possible coincidence, but i think the "most important" story characters have had their visual changes prioritised, so the ones we've seen so far might show up in the first story missions

if this is true by any means, sombra and bap may have more story to them for us to learn about because their visuals were released together

maybe sombra gives bap info of mauga's wherabouts, if he doesnt already know?

[compact cobalt]

Sombra will most likely have some sort of arc

[compact cobalt]

You are most likely correct

[arctic loom]

well im already used to him name

im simply will call him CAS

[past copper]

Like I said, Mauga may be a brawler with some changes to him from regular Talon Heavy Assault.

As far as playing the Archives Missions goes, Heavy Assault don’t have barriers, but Mauga does have one, which is capable of defending himself and teammates behind him. I kinda want it to be like a large round barrier, but we don’t really know what it looks like or how he employs in a fight other than he can’t attack when using it

[peak escarp]

he might not have the barrier any more

[past copper]

That immediately makes me think that maybe Talon could possibly be using tech from the Crusaders or something

[peak escarp]

blowing him up at the end gives Blizz the excuse to change up his kit as they like

[past copper]

True. That’s kinda why I assumed that he could’ve also been severely injured in that explosion and required prosthetics. It would make for an interesting hero if one tank/brawler had prosthetics instead of just dps like Genji, Junkrat, Torbjörn, Symmetra, and Doomfist

And Sombra. I forgot about her cybernetic implants

And McCree. Again, forgot about his hand

[peak escarp]

Cassidy, Doomfist, Genji, Junkrat, Sombra, Symmetra, Torbjorn

you're right, they are all DPS

[past copper]

Yup. And maybe Ana because she used to have a prosthetic eye, but she doesn’t anymore so… yea

Whatever the case, it would be good if a Brawler had prosthetics instead of a DPS. Mauga is literally in the perfect position to get prosthetics since he was in a big explosion and seems to have some pull going for him within Talon’s ranks

[desert yacht]

do we know when sigma went to the lunar colony

because if he had gone less than 14 years prior to present day

there's a chance he'd know hammond

and i just think it'd be really funny if he saw this giant titanium or whatever ball rolling around and then seeing the little hamster from the moon pop out

[peak escarp]

he knew Winston when he was smaller, so it's likely he knew Hammond too

[desert yacht]

yeah, but there were a good 15 years where winston would've been there without hammond

unless he wasn't born up there i guess but

there was still probably a good chunk of time where hammond wasn't alive and winston was up there

and winston was in fact much smaller then

as sigma says

i'm 50/50 on it

but it'd be so fun to see a sigma hammond interaction

if it is true

i also find it really funny that the only time any of the tanks have met each other canonically it has been in space

besides rein and winston in overwatch

now i've been reminded that there will be no room for tank interactions in OW2 :(

alright winston wouldn't have been born there but he would've been brought there from a pretty young age

[worthy rose]

super badass

[gusty sluice]

will blackwatch mccree skin become blackwatch cassidy after the name change?

[peak escarp]

probably

[gusty sluice]

ooh

[crisp dew]

Enemy team interactions still

If you kill enemy tank

[mystic salmon]

I didn't understand the cassidy Mccree post. Was it implying he had a sibling with that name or that jessie himself is trans?

[iron plume]

what

What does that have to do with being trans
Cole Cassidy took on the name McCree to get away from his old life, but is now going to go back to it because he wants to stop living the lie

[grand wedge]

Name was Cole Cassidy - chose to go by the alias Jesse McCree - then chose to go back to Cole Cassidy

[mystic salmon]

Oh, ok thank you.

I'm making a fanfic of about Mcree's life up to the point he reunites with Echo is the cinematic but I don't think I'll add this.

I'm to far into my draft to be adding things like this.

[grand wedge]

He plans to join the New Overwatch - and he chose to join them as Cole Cassidy, not his old name that is tied to a life of crime

[mystic salmon]

Okay maybe I do need to add that then.I'm at the point where he's arrested by the OW team for trying to steal from them but I do want to tweak some things before I keep going.

[iron plume]

where he's arrested by the OW team for trying to steal from them
yeah that probably didn't happen

[mystic salmon]

Its going by little skips in his life in age from 7 to 37 which is where according to the wiki I think is how old he is when he meets echo again.

Its just my interpretation I can't say for sure how all of it happened in his past other then what I read in the wiki.

[iron plume]

he’s been arrested by overwatch once, and that’s when they took down the deadlock gang

[mystic salmon]

ok

[worthy rose]

so uhh where's the new cass storyline

[peak escarp]

when the event is over

probably in 2 weeks

[worn island]

Is his new name in the game now?

Can't check, at school

[peak escarp]

yes it is

[regal warren]

is his name in-game just.. cassidy? or cass?

[peak escarp]

Cassidy

[regal warren]

Oooo I see

What're they doing about his voicelines too? Will they be redoing them at some point or just removing them, or do we just

not know

[iron plume]

His own lines are already redone

As is the Echo line for copying him
Presumably the others will come in time as they get to do recording sessions

[limpid agate]

I like that they are trying to write his rename into the story

But

This spray makes no sense being renamed

[mighty mist]

what is the lore reason he gets the name change?

putting his past behind him, fresh start type deal?

[peak escarp]

pretty much

Cole Cassidy is the name he abandoned when he got into crime, so it makes sense he'd abandon Jesse McCree when he leaves his outlaw ways behind

[worthy rose]

they didn't give any lore reason yet, what yall on about

[peak escarp]

you kinda have to read the subtext, but the blurb there says that Cassidy dropped his name before he got into his life of crime, and now that he's leaving the life of crime, he's going back to Cassidy

this is only part of a full story we'll get later

[worthy rose]

In retrospect, do we need more context? It explains it well enough does it not

then again this is the most content OW1 has seen in forever

th-thanks McCree?

[peak escarp]

they already had the story written before the name change happened

they just had to add it in

[worthy rose]

hm i see

[peak escarp]

and we've gotten 4 other stories like this before

and 2 full length novels

it's hardly "the most content"

[desert yacht]

ironic as they took the name cassidy from a well known criminal

[thorny ravine]

i have a problem. hwo do i play with noob team? because i kill 2 , its a 4 vs 6 and we still loose ._.

I usually play dive heroes, i dont know if its my fault.

[compact cobalt]

Wrong channel

But ults can swing a team fight

[gusty sluice]

ikr! authorities only know him as jesse mccree

in theory he can get away as cole cassidy right?

[rancid egret]

i mean he looks exactly the same so probably no

[iron plume]

“this person who dresses like a cowboy and is in overwatch looks a lot like they wanted guy who dressed as a cowboy and was in overwatch, but he has a totally different name! must not be him”

I don’t think that’s going to work no
His change is for his own sake, not anything to get away

[past copper]

Something I’m interested in a finding out what other heroes will be added. I’m not sure how many can be added all at once when the game releases, but I do hope there will still be other added later on, but that’s probably wishful thinking

[limpid agate]

We are "owed" 7 heroes including Sojourn by April 2022.

Sojourn
Summer hero 2020 - BlizzCon hero 2020
Spring hero 2021 - Summer hero 2021 - BlizzCon hero 2021
Spring hero 2022

Also 8 maps.
Summer Map 2019
Winter Map 2020 - Spring Map 2020 - Summer Map 2020
Winter Map 2021 - Spring Map 2021 - Summer Map 2021
Winter Map 2022

But that is excluding those we have seen, which is 5-7 core maps of:
Rio
Toronto
Monte Carlo
New York
Rome
Gothenburg
India

Gothenburg and India have unknown game modes, and may or may not be core maps.

[past copper]

We’ll see. I don’t think they’ve made it clear how these new heroes come in. Though, seems Sojourn is the only one who will be apart of the story on Overwatch, but idk bout either Talon or Null Sector

Well. Except for the NS leader

[limpid agate]

That is highyl improbable

[worthy rose]

I could see other new heroes being featured in the OW2 main story.

Mauga is still out there, likely still with Talon. He also has a reason to go after Overwatch if Baptiste joins it (he probably will).

There could also be other new heroes that we don't know much about, if at all that could play a role.

Unlikely since Junkrat was previously deconfirmed from the OW2 story iirc, but I would like to see a Junker mission in the game. There would be a total of 4 Junker heroes with the Junkerqueen. Maybe it has to do with Junkrat's secret or Junkertown tries to take over the rest of Australia lol

[limpid agate]

We will probably not get a Junker story right away.

[worthy rose]

Yeah, I'd probably be a DLC mission if it was added

There's a lot of potential for DLC/Side Story nissions to include all heroes. I'd love to see the conclusion of the Old Soldiers storyline or some kind of Shimada & co. mission.

If they want to keep all missions including side stories to 4 players, they could have Genji & Mercy help Hanzo & Asa (whoever the swordmaster's daughter is if she becomes a hero) retake the castle

Mercy could also help out in the Old Soldiers mission, although the 4th would be tricky since Reaper obviously wouldn't be on the team. Maybe Pharah if she decides to follow up on Ana's letters.

[limpid agate]

Asa is the swordmaster

Her daughter's name is unknown to us

[worthy rose]

Good to know, ty!

[gaunt finch]

who is anas dad

[limpid agate]

Sam

He is a Canadian public servant.

[cosmic crest]

Well, he's Pharah's dad and Ana's former husband.

I assume they meant to ask about Pharah's dad.

Ana's parents are unimportant.

[wise wadi]

What I find funny is that winstons ult is a pair of broken glasses

[iron plume]

The icon is a reference to the Recall short
where reaper standing on them sends Winston into a rage

[jaunty crown]

who were the other people who founded the deadlock gang

besides cree and ashe

[peak escarp]

||Frankie and Bez||

and Bob, of course

[limpid agate]

Related to that is a fun fact

||BAMF

B ez
A she
M cCree
F rankie||

To explain who they are:
||Bez was a member of a rival gang that was absorbed into Ashe's gang as they decided to unite and form the Deadlock gang.
Frankie is a hacker with purple hair like Sombra, but is not Sombra nor is she as good as Sombra.||

[topaz ledge]

Why is it all black?

[worn island]

Where is the practise range set? Somewhere in Antarctica?

[iron plume]

It's a spoiler tag, click on it to reveal the text

[iron plume]

Switzerland where the OW HQ was, presumably

[atomic urchin]

didnt it get destroyed tho

[odd vortex]

indeed it did but practice range seems to have plot armor

the events that took place in eichenwalde and the map itself really dont match the setup of the short for rein and eichenwalde at all as well but I assume that place had plot armor or some sort of trickery as well

Like how reinhardt charged through the wall to shield his injured squadron we can ASSUME that he charged near the bridge, at the beginning of first point but I dont see a gaping hole where he supposedly charged

through

we can see balderich's armor at the end of the capture/payload map and reinhardts name carved into the bar table. Not exactly easter eggs like Sombra's actions being on almost every newspaper in every map but little nods to the shorts

[odd vortex]

or how it looked like reinhardt and baldedrich just unpurposefully went back and forth until finally running to the castle

doesnt show the OR15's bodies either, just some massive gunner omnics that have been destroyed by the Crusaders and the German Army

[peak escarp]

the maps don't really exist in a particular time period

they're more like the idea of that location, separate from the actual timeline of the place

for example, Havana attacker's spawn still has Max's car crashed in the back of it, despite Storm Rising being 6 years ago in the story

[peak escarp]

that spot is actually next to where the payload unlocks - the hole is in the base of the tower, facing the payload

[odd vortex]

but thats on the OTHER side

the left part

not the right part

beacuse the 2 roofs

[peak escarp]

ah, you're right

still

it's that building

[odd vortex]

yeah I know its that building its just mind fuckery cus its on a different side

[peak escarp]

they were very creative with the layout of the map for that short

[odd vortex]

indeed they were

[topaz ledge]

Thx

[molten radish]

Sombra is spys mexican daughter case closed

[limpid agate]

!!shitposting @molten radish

[twilit nacelle]

@molten radish Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[gusty sluice]

Not allowed here. Only real discussions relating to Overwatch lore.

[jaunty shard]

could mercy theoretically revive rein's mentor?

[gusty sluice]

yes and no

yes, if he died when mercy is present

no, because he is now a skeleton

[jaunty shard]

oh lmao

[peak escarp]

no

Mercy can't revive the dead

[jaunty shard]

what does she revive then?

[peak escarp]

her "resurrect" is more of a burst of healing, to get badly injured people back into a fight

as seen in Zero Hour

[jaunty shard]

oh

[peak escarp]

once you're dead, you're dead

there's no coming back

[jaunty shard]

I see

[limpid agate]

No, she cant

As was said immediately above

[gusty sluice]

👍

[hollow folio]

Any fellow D.mon enjoyers?

[limpid agate]

I don't like D.Mon.

She's the boring option for a second MEKA hero

[hollow folio]

Sadge

[limpid agate]

What is interesting about her, other than the fact that D.Mon is a girl

I think each of the other 3, King, Overlord, and Casino, have more compelling reasons to become hero

[past copper]

I think all of them would be interesting heroes. You can kinda guess what roles they have based on their MEKA

[hollow folio]

She's the tough protective member of MEKA and seems to carry some sort of weight on her shoulders from D.va's cinematic

She has shared history with D.va and is the most "Tanky" Meka member besides D.va

King is just pharah with A mech and d.vas rival

I see your argument for casino or overlord but honestly I'd like to see the whole team more than I'd like to see one other member as they are a team

And Micheal chu said D.va is at the center of helping them become a team therefore D.va just up and leaving wouldn't make much sense

I just came here to Nerd out about a side character I really like not get told "you only like her/find her interesting because She's a girl"

[hollow folio]

I agree seeing the whole team would make the most sense too they all seem to have wonderful personalities I think each has something for everyone

[limpid agate]

Nah, its fine. Sorry about that.

I just am too used to people saying the exact reason they want D.Mon is girl.

And nothing else on that.

[limpid agate]

But you had a good reason to back it up with, so thanks.

[past copper]

Kinda think D.mon would be another tank, but it may change things up to be a dps instead

[limpid agate]

D.Mon has a shield and no visible guns

She's the most obviously tanky

[past copper]

True. Though I’m sure there’s better diffs from D.Va and Rein

Someone did make an excellent rending of her. Pretty sure based on that image of them fighting

[hollow folio]

It's ok I get it completely sorry we got off on the wrong foot, I'm probably one of the only people who wants D.mom Because I think she's genuinely an interesting character

I haven't had much luck finding people who like her outside of a few Tumblr posts

It's nice to meet you though I hope my presence here will bring something new to the table and I'm glad I could bring the interesting things to light

[limpid agate]

The other thing I see people bring up too often is that "D.Mon would be interesting because she's a rival to D.Va" which, like you said, isn't true. So most of the time when I see people come in here requesting exactly D.Mon, they don't even know anything about D.Mon. They just want a girl. So sorry about that assumption.

[hollow folio]

Oh don't worry I've heard that all to often and it agitates me, Micheal said she was the "Tough and protective one" she wouldn't just wanna fight or care about a rivalry she just wants to make sure her team is safe like you can see in the art in shooting star where she's helping Overlord out of his Meka

D.va even has a line that references her rivalry with King which is why it frustrates me people still don't know that "I'd like to see king top THAT"

I completely understand it's nice to meet someone who knows their stuff and isn't egotistical enough to apologize, it means alot

[past copper]

While that render does look great, I don’t really think a personal shield like that would do much. In both game and canon, but it may depend on her MEKA’s weapon(s) if she has any

[limpid agate]

She looks like a grappler

But this isnt that kind of game

[past copper]

Hmm. Well, and I say this from a geek’s perspective, but D.mon’s MEKA kinda looks like the mechs from the movie Avatar. So, maybe she carries a mech sized rifle, which she can discard after use.

[limpid agate]

I'm more interested in the other 3 for other reasons.

• Overlord has the most interesting mech from a gameplay standpoint. There is so much potential with what they can do with his mech, with the VTOL, the gun, the drones, there's just so much room for a unique hero.

• Casino has the most interesting lore potential. He is the formula one racer, and based on his name as well as that of his mech, he is very heavily hinted to have ties to Monaco. There is potential for some links to Maximillien as well, which could be very interesting to explore.

• King's mech is named after his artillery, which makes me think that it is the mech's primary form of fire. I also love micromissile type weapons in some shooters (Duke Nukem has the Devastator for example) and Overwatch does not have that proper as a weapon yet. King is the ideal excuse to do so.

[hollow folio]

On her Mecha model in Busan you can see some sort of Weapon people think it might be a flamethrower but we don't really know

She does have a line in d.vas flashback she says "I'm running hot" so maybe something with an overheat idk

[limpid agate]

For context, the Devastator is a pair of double barrel rocket launchers that shoots 10 rockets per second. Its a weapon archetype sorely missing in Overwatch, and King's mech Singijeon is the best excuse for that.

Basically, Pharah's ult but a primary fire.

I think Destiny had something similar.

[past copper]

Cool. I’ve never played games like that, but the weapons look amazing

[iron plume]

Isn't it represented in D.va's rockets?

[limpid agate]

While for D.Mon, I personally never had such a compelling lore reason for her to be chosen over one of the others other than being D.Va's closest ally, and her gameplay just looks like a grappler with a shield

[limpid agate]

Primary Fire

Not a cooldown

And King's are on a different scale

[iron plume]

I know you meant there's no primary fire like this
But as a weapon it's present

[past copper]

Well, like I said, it looks like the mechs from Avatar, which typically carried rifles, knives, and I think a flamethrower once

[iron plume]

Not sure how it'd work as a primary, I'd hardly say it's "sorely missing"
But sure, if they wanted to put it in King would be the best way

[limpid agate]

I'd say its about as missing as a classic double barrel shotty.

Ashe's Coach Gun counts about as much as D.Va's micro missiles

[iron plume]

so not very

[limpid agate]

Exactly

[iron plume]

that was for "missing", not for "counts"

[limpid agate]

1 sec

@hollow folio The bot automuted you

[hollow folio]

Sorry

[limpid agate]

Dont make too many new lines or too long of a sentence.

[hollow folio]

Oh I'll try and shorten what I was gonna say I just over explain I apologize

[limpid agate]

Its fine.

[limpid agate]

Im more surprised the bot didnt mute you for this.

As I was saying before I'd love to see each of them come to the game I know people say "They'll just be d.va skins" but like....they are literally all different the only thing "similar" about them is that they are Korean and drive mech suits....so kinda sus to say SAME but I don't question them

Lore wise I know Micheal doesn't write overwatch anymore but we know D.va is in the main campaign of OW2 due to Blizzconline story boards and where he said D.va was helping the Squad become closer as a team I can't imagine they'd just let D.va up and leave without helping

Also in the Overwatch 2 trailer from 2019 the Meka base rein shatters mei from is somewhat destroyed and burning so maybe they get attacked idk but I'm interested```

[past copper]

As much as I’d like to think D.Mon uses a flamethrower, I kinda fail to see how that he,ps agains Omnics.

[hollow folio]

True

Especially the GIANT omnium

[past copper]

Unless there’s like weak points that’s not metal in the armor

[iron plume]

well, a sufficiently powerful flamethrower can melt steel beams melt away the armor on some of them

But it probably isn't the most efficient tactic

[hollow folio]

Maybe it's some kinda plasma blaster or something? Super hot

I think Ow2 would be a good excuse to redesign some aspects of their in-map models

[limpid agate]

Plasma tech is common enough in Overwatch.

Or fusion tech rather

I think D.Va's gun falls under that umbrella.

[past copper]

True. We’ve seen it cut through metal like butter in the Sombra short

[hollow folio]

Zaryas weapon is also a great example, I don't just like D.mon either I think each of them has something Great to offer in OW2 and heaven knows we need more variation in Tanks at least as a tank main since 2016 I would enjoy some variation

[iron plume]

The ultimate downside to theorizing about any Meka members is that the devs have repeatedly stated that coding-wise D.va is an absolute pain in the ass and they'd rather not go through it with a second hero as well

[limpid agate]

Yes, but Junkerqueen is a hero

And Junkerqueen is a former gladitorial mech champion

[iron plume]

That may well still change with engine updates to OW2 and/or if they decide it's worth it, but it's a downside

[limpid agate]

And what we saw were her first person assets.

[past copper]

Speaking of that, I’m curious to know how they’re gonna make the laser sounds feel more real in Overwatch 2. I really don’t know what a real laser would sound like, but I’m sure the devs can come up with something

[limpid agate]

If they release the gladitorial mech champion without her mech, that is an absolute sin

[iron plume]

JQ's mech will probably be more like a transformation ult in-game than a D.va style mech

[limpid agate]

I'm still holding out for the tallboy-esque Recluse mech

[hollow folio]

my theory for that is that if any other were added in then they wouldn't have an Eject feature they'd just die instantly like Hammond

[iron plume]

I mean same
But I'm talking about the way it's coded
as an aspect of her rather than separate entity

[limpid agate]

Yes

[past copper]

I mean, would it be out of the question if JQ’s ult works like BOB? Call it in and enter it to tear through players?

[iron plume]

That wouldn't make sense for human pilots though

[limpid agate]

Yes

That would be out of the question.

Junkertown HATES robots

So having her mech be automated is very anti Junker

[iron plume]

pretty much
for one, Bob already exists

[past copper]

I mean like it’s remote controlled. I guess it be maybe like Hammond’s mech

[iron plume]

Hammond's mech isn't remote controlled

Being like Hammond's mech is what I'm talking about
JQ "turns into" the mech for her ult and if it dies she dies

[hollow folio]

It doesn't make sense for Hammond either but it's just a gameplay mechanic

But I would like to see D.mon have some sort of passive or ult that allows her to self rez or something since she's a mechanic

[past copper]

I mean, I think they’re all basically mechanics

[iron plume]

We have precedent that Meka pilots can eject though

They can get away with "disappearing" hammond because he's small
A human flopping out of the meka already dead would be, at least, strange

All that said

[hollow folio]

Very true but d.va also had to rebuild her Meka herself in the short but doesn't in game I think they could make this acception for any of the pilots and chalk it up to it just being a gameplay mechanic

Same with the Queen

[iron plume]

It would be a gameplay mechanic that would go against the intuition based on existing gameplay mechanics

Queen they could get away with, say her mech is so rickety it blows up when it's broken
Mekas hardly

[limpid agate]

We don't know the Junkerqueen's mech yet, so it can go anyway for her.

But I would say that this kills most hopes for tank Hamid Faisal

[iron plume]

anyway
All that said
If they did really want to make the others, they would

I mean they made Echo and that's much more of a mess at the backend

[hollow folio]

Facts I'm sure they'd find a way to make it work given they made B.O.B. basically a 7th teammate

[iron plume]

Bob is easier to make than the mekas

It's literally just half of what D.va's exit/reentry does

[hollow folio]

True

[iron plume]

Since technically it despawns the mech/spawns baby d.va (or vice versa)

wheras bob just spawns

[hollow folio]

I just think the others would have the whole eject thing cut completely but that's just me

[limpid agate]

I think D.Va is easier now with tools learned since. Plus with how Workshop/dummies work, you can mesh it a little better.

[hollow folio]

I think gameplay wise other than D.mon Overloads drones interest me the most gameplay wise

[iron plume]

no eject would require reworking a lot about her
most notably the ult would be... interesting

[hollow folio]

That's very true they've learned alot since Ow1

[iron plume]

but anyway
while it is a point against them, it's not restrictive

It can still happen

[hollow folio]

Yeah I agree very valid argument

Going into OW2 if we were to get ALL of them the only shot we have of that happening (probably) is as part of the launch roster which is also a point against them but doesn't make it impossible just a challenge but I mean they've had enough time to make plenty of launch content so who knows it's exciting none the less

Or if they wanted to explore Meka in an expansion or release them one at a time they could still do that too i mean we still don't have all of talon playable so anything is possible

Is there any Character in particular any of you would like to see? I'd love to know if so

[limpid agate]

My most wanted are Hamid Faisal and Sanjay Korpal.

The former has a lot of interesting lore exploration space.

The latter has literally infinite kit possibilities thanks to hard light without losing on lore development.

[hollow folio]

Same!! While I'll admit I don't think about Hamid as often I think he'd be a really neat character to explore

, Sanjay has always been a really interesting character in my eyes ever since Symmetra's comic back in 2016 I've always thought he'd make a neat character given his hard light capabilities and He was mentioned as recent as last November aswell so it's definitely likely we'll see more of him

[worthy rose]

I would love to see Sanjay as a tank or support take on Symmettra. They could even reuse aspects of Symm's old kits like the homing primary fire if they wanted. Granted, there's so many possibilities with hard light, they could come up with a totally different hard light primary

Plus, if he's in the game as a hero, we could learn more about the Vishkar-Talon relationship through his lore

[hollow folio]

We are for sure gonna see him in Overwatch 2 I think we'll see alot of the "Side" characters playable or not, we will definitely catch a glimpse of alot of them, Symmetra's short short was so good and I hope the story coming later this month will be just as good as hers was

[iron plume]

I'd like to see what's up with the Asa letter
Hoping for the mother more than the daughter

Mirembe or Kimiko would be interesting too
Hopefully with a different perspective on Overwatch

Sojourn is definitely happening but there's something specific I would like to see of her
again about the attitude
We've seen people who were glad OW was shut down, and then either took justice into their own hands (Soldier, Ana) or tried to step away from heroball (Mercy)
We've seen people who disliked it being shut down and are idealistic at the new one (Winston, Tracer, Mei)
I'd like Sojourn to have a kind of workman's attitude
Seeing the faults in old overwatch but still thinking it's ultimately for the best
And now that the new one is recalled, joining it out of pragmatism

[hollow folio]

I really like that idea and from everything we saw back in February I think that'll be close I'd not exactly what we will get when it comes to Sojourn, and I'd love to see Asa aswell I think it'd be really interesting to learn more about the person who trained both Hanzo and Genji their interactions would be great

[cosmic crest]

After Ana "died" Sojourn became the new second in command, shortly before Overwatch fell. It would be interesting to see if she has any remorse for not being able to be the glue that held Overwatch together like Ana was.

[iron plume]

ooh yea

She seems caring but jaded in her Storm Rising interactions

[cosmic crest]

She likely had a lot of new responsibilities at the time, so understandable.

[oblique beacon]

question, what even happened to D.Va's parents?? I'm just randomly curious

like yeah sure parents arent even talked about what if smth happened to her parents? idk

[cosmic crest]

Presumably nothing happened to them. I don't think her parents are of any immediate importance.

[oblique beacon]

true but I wouldve thought of smth cool like her parents died so now shes an epic mecha pilot gamer so avenge her parents or some sort like that

but thank u :]

[worthy rose]

wait, Soldier was "glad" OW was shut down?

[peak escarp]

the only mention of them is in one Korean voice line, where D.Va says "Honestly, I've never beaten my dad at Starcraft"

[iron plume]

well maybe not glad, but he says it was the right thing to do

[worthy rose]

"'What would you have me do, then?' Jack snapped. 'Fly to Gibraltar and join
up with Winston? You think the same people who brought down Overwatch won’t
take him down, too?'" - Valkyrie short story

Soldier wants to get to the bottom of what got overwatch shut down, not just prop it up again

[compact cobalt]

Considering dva is the youngest human in the game she might get a little bit of parent lore.

[peak escarp]

they're not important to the story, so they don't get mentioned

[limpid agate]

D.Va herself is largely unimportant as it is

[limpid agate]

@tardy zinc No advertising

[eternal depot]

who is winston

why does he exist

[torn raft]

monkey

from space

[azure slate]

Overwatch lore is cool

[peak escarp]

he was part of a program to test long-term habitation in space, using genetically enhanced apes to see the effect it might have on humans

[compact cobalt]

Why didn’t they just you know

Live on space

Instead of making hyper-intelligent gorillas to test it for them

But they still had humans in the base

[rancid egret]

i’d guess it would be considered a human trial if they had “x” amount of people live in the moon to see the long term effects. maybe they figured using gorillas would be the next best thing

[peak escarp]

that's probably it

there's different laws governing testing on humans vs testing on animals

[worthy rose]

When is the Cassidy story thing supposed to arrive? I heard something about November but not much else

[limpid agate]

Most likely next week

[torpid spoke]

are tracer and widowmaker actually dating or is that just in all those weird fanfics

[iron plume]

No they're not

[torpid spoke]

also

how old is dva

[iron plume]

19

[worthy rose]

tracer has a girlfriend, her name is emily. widowmaker had a husband, but she killed him.

[torpid spoke]

bro why do you guys know all of this

[worthy rose]

because it's basic things of the game lore

[iron plume]

Widowmaker killing her husband is basically all of her backstory

!!loreheroes widowmaker

[twilit nacelle]

To learn more, please visit https://playoverwatch.com/en-us/heroes/widowmaker#story

[iron plume]

it's on her bio

[worthy rose]

backstory of each overwatch hero

[iron plume]

Tracer's girlfriend is brought up in-game, and she was first featured in Reflections

!!lorecomics

[twilit nacelle]

Comics Series 1:
Train Hopper: https://bit.ly/2vaOY0I
Dragon Slayer: https://bit.ly/2GpRZRk
Going Legit: https://bit.ly/2InZUkm
A Better World: https://bit.ly/2DeJGpK
Mission Statement: https://bit.ly/2UFLC5o
Destroyer: https://bit.ly/2XcYZ9G
Legacy: https://bit.ly/2DgM1jQ
Old Soldiers: https://bit.ly/2KLILTV
Junkenstein: https://bit.ly/2Is3WZ4
Reflections: https://bit.ly/2IoZQkr
Binary: https://bit.ly/2IzNvJy
Uprising: https://bit.ly/2UCymhE
Masquerade: https://bit.ly/2IzNTI0
Wasted Land: https://bit.ly/2DeKB9G
Searching: https://bit.ly/2Gh3jy6
Retribution: https://bit.ly/2XePmHG

Tracer - London Calling:
#1: https://bit.ly/3mknXBx
#2: https://bit.ly/318GEix
#3: https://bit.ly/3lorayj
#4: https://bit.ly/2MTe3JM
#5: https://bit.ly/3bD4dVi

Mini-Comics:
Return of Junkenstein: https://bit.ly/2Gqp7Z8
Yeti Hunt: https://bit.ly/2VPmxRI

[iron plume]

that one in the middle

[torpid spoke]

tracers gf is hot

[iron plume]

Not sure why that's relevant but I guess

Anyway
there's no confirmed relationships between heroes, though there are some hints towards Genji and Mercy being a thing
The other relationships past and present are
Jack Morrison (later Soldier: 76) with Vincent, from a very long time ago, pre-first overwatch
Gabriel Reyes (later Reaper) with an unnamed wife, had kids, pre-fall of overwatch
Torbjorn with his wife Ingrid, had many kids including Brigitte, still going strong
Ana with husband Sam, had Pharah, pre-her fake death
Widowmaker and Tracer as mentioned before

[worthy rose]

so Tracer and Torb are the only ones with alive and healthy relationships with their SOs, interesting

[peak escarp]

yep

[worthy rose]

oh and i like the reverse they're going for

ana support - pharah dps
torb dps - brig support

if they meant to anyway lol

oh and rein being a tank is like the trifecta there

[cosmic crest]

I don't think that really means anything.

[worthy rose]

true but i feel like they made brig a support to """complete""" torb and rein's roles

[iron plume]

@tardy zinc Don't

yeah idk about that either

[worthy rose]

most likely a coincidence though yeah

I wish more people directly related to heroes were playable kinda

[iron plume]

if anything Brig being a support is more in line with her relationship to Reinhardt rather than Torbjorn