Ah. Well, who knows. It’s kinda difficult to say what’s lore and what’s just interesting. Thinking on that, I wonder if one of the characters will get a new skin to go with the Malenvento map like Hanzo did for Kanezaka?
#lore-discussion
past copper
Considering what we know so far about Malenvento, I’m betting it will be one of the heroes in Talon getting a skin for the map.
worthy rose
Overwatch lore
past copper
As much as I’d like to think Baptiste, I doubt it. Mostly because he’s not with Talon anymore and he has at least 5 lore skins. None of which could tie into Malenvento
Well, 4 if you wanna get technical, but I was also counting his new design for OW2
peak escarp
Combat Medic, Talon, ...?
past copper
Default skin, Combat Medic, Talon, and Tropical
peak escarp
no point in counting the default skin, everyone has that
past copper
Yeah, but I was also counting that since it’s his outfit for his origin short
But that’s just me. I can’t say I know where his default stands in his timeline. Either before Talon found him or after he escaped again
Still, on the Malenvento map, if there is a hero getting a skin, options are open on Talon heroes. Doomfist, Reaper, Widowmaker, Sombra, Moira, Sigma, or Baptiste. I kinda think Moira, Sigma, and Baptiste are unlikely though
peak escarp
I would guess Sigma, if there is one at all
past copper
Why Sigma?
I’d think that Talon would’ve kept him in a lab or training facility somewhere
analog cargo
whats annas nano syringe made of?
peak escarp
her healing darts are filled with the same sort of biotic fluid that Baptiste, Moira and Mercy use for healing
analog cargo
so the nano is like 10x that?
cosmic crest
It's some sort of super steroid. It might not be related to Dr Ziegler's work but it could be.
worthy rose
It's some sort of super steroid. It might not be related to Dr Ziegler's work bu...
I think it's related to Ziegler's work, as Ana "stole" most of it.. The nano could be a very concentrated or pumped up version of what Mercy uses to boost the damage output of others with her staff.
limpid agate
Shame, no lore with Malevento
What is interesting though is the icon is putting an emphasis on the blimp
Which is a Petra asset
I wonder if theres a tie...
past copper
Who knows. Though, it’s at least cool to see something from another map on a new map
Technically, Kanezaka did that since Hanamura is right above the mountain overlooking the city
past copper
I can’t lie though, is anyone else reminded of Beacon Academy from RWBY when looking at the Malvento icon?
limpid agate
I was more asking if it was supposed to be the same blimp
Rather than just a blimp
Like, its the same asset, but the focus on it here is making me think that it is very intentional
Maybe I am jumping the gun, but I am getting my Hamid Faisal motor running again
past copper
Well, not to sound stupid, but maybe the blimp will play some sort of small role in OW2. I know that sounds stupid, but in OW, it almost looks like anything can be possible
worthy rose
except the game itself lmao
peak escarp
what
peak escarp
not a very good one
limpid agate
!!shitposting @worthy rose
twilit nacelleBOT
@desert glade Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
worthy rose
?? ok
past copper
Honestly, I was just implying that the blimp was a spying device or something. Again, I know that sounds stupid, but who knows? Things in the surrounding environment might hold some importance we’re not aware of
limpid agate
It could be some form of surveilance device
iirc, it had Hamid Faisal's logo on it
But I cant remember
Nope
Or maybe...
Its the same design as the tent, which does have his logo
The one on Petra is definitely related to Hamid Faisal
Its just a question of
Is the Malevento one intentionally related, or just a reused asset.
limpid agate
There we go
Yeah. So ultimately
Is the Malevento one intentionally related, or just a reused asset.
I just assumed it was the latter until I saw the icon for the map in Arcade
Which emphasizes the balloon
We can speculate that logo belongs to Hamid Faisal
And Kanezaka did make original assets too, as did this map
Its not just reused assets
So that shouldnt be an excuse
past copper
It might depend. The church on it doesn’t look as old as Petra. But who knows? It might just be decorative to give the map life
Though, there’s other things they could’ve done to do that. Maybe birds that actually fly away when you walk near them
limpid agate
What do you mean "The church on it doesn’t look as old as Petra"
lyric sluice
who is hamid?
limpid agate
Hamid Faisal is an archeologist who is working out of Petra
Both Ana and Jack know of him, and trust him with artefacts.
lyric sluice
oh
limpid agate
His team is also tied to the digsites on Ilios and Ayutthaya
And possibly to Oasis as well
lyric sluice
do u think he'll have a part in ow2
limpid agate
Maybe. He is my #1 hero request
past copper
I haven’t gotten on the game to see the church yet, so I don’t know for sure until I see it.
limpid agate
I haven’t gotten on the game to see the church yet, so I don’t know for sure unt...
Right, but I dont understand that comment, it makes no sense in this context
lyric sluice
imma check the malevento map out now
past copper
Oh. Well you said earlier the blimp may be survey equipment. And if it was something reused from Petra, it would be surveying something on Malvento
limpid agate
I said surveillance, as in espionage
But that was a bad statement, I was just writing as I thought
You can ignore that
Either way, the church is no where near as old as it
The church is for some denomination of Christianity
Meanwhile, Petra is from hundreds of years before Christ was ever born
It is easily 2000 years older.
past copper
Point taken. But it could also be that ALL hot air balloons are made like that to be more sturdy then they used to be
past copper
Hmm. Well, that is interesting to note then. Perhaps they are related and could be spy equipment, searching for ancient artifacts, or something else altogether
limpid agate
I cannot think of any justification for Hamid Faisal to be there
Or for his equipment
past copper
Well, remember there’s a Talon outpost there in Malvento and Hamid’s doing something there. Two different groups in one place is hard to call a coincidence
limpid agate
That's the question
Is it supposed to be Hamid
Or is it a reused asset that they figured was too far
past copper
I’m sure we’ll find out the more people’s curiosity gets the better of them and post it on Reddit, Twitter, and other social media. Blizzard will either answer or let our imaginations run wild until OW2
I’m just hoping Hamid isn’t connected to Talon and helping them make money by finding and selling ancient artifacts.
glossy atlas
desert yacht
probably spoiling future plot points
peak escarp
that is what spoilers usually are
limpid agate
what can be spoilery about OW
Spoiling something not yet released. Like an Overwatch 2 story or hero.
scarlet apex
does Zenyatta actually float everywhere in the lore or is it just for game purposes
limpid agate
does Zenyatta actually float everywhere in the lore or is it just for game purpo...
He can float, but usually walks
leaden fjord
Religions linked to ow lore?
past copper
The only religion we’re actually aware of in OW is the Shambali.
scarlet apex
Are Omnics discriminated against in Southeast Asia?
cuz I vaguely recall only South Korea being so
past copper
Omnics are discriminated against in several countries and cities. Russia, Australia, Kong’s Row, etc.
Much of that discrimination stems from the Omnic Crisis and, in the case of King’s Row, the Null Sector Uprising.
scarlet apex
Much of that discrimination stems from the Omnic Crisis and, in the case of King...
So in your opinion do you think part of that would involve Omnics not being allowed to become teachers?
iron plume
In the extreme cases like mentioned above, they aren't allowed to become much of anything
But there's likely other countries with less outwardly hostile relation to omnics where they're still not welcome as teachers or such
worthy rose
cuz I vaguely recall only South Korea being so
i'm pretty sure south korea is against omnics
cosmic crest
It wouldn’t surprise me. But I doubt it’s as bad as Russia where they are presumably shot on site
compact cobalt
Russia got hit really hard by null sector
iron plume
Russia got hit really hard by null sector
The reawakened omnium isn’t Null Sector
compact cobalt
Same difference
past copper
Same difference
No. Actually, it’s not. The Omnic Crisis was just weaponized machines built by Omniums to invade cities and kill humans on site, basically plunging the world into WWIII.
Null Sector was just an extremist group who wanted equality, but when they couldn’t get it willingly from humans, they tried to get it by force, leading to the King’s Row Uprising (as far as the lore on Null Sector goes at least until OW2).
The biggest difference between the two. The First Omnic Crisis was a global war that lasted for 10 years. The Null Sector Uprising was only a pocketed incident in King’s Row that lasted for a few days or weeks.
peak escarp
The biggest difference between the two. The First Omnic Crisis was a global war ...
we dont know how long the First Omnic Crisis lasted
23 years ago Overwatch was fighting a "last pocket of resistance" in Istanbul - that would be 7 years after the crisis started
also the King's Row uprising lasted 27 days
several inconsistent dates are given for the end of the crisis - Soldier's origin says 25 years ago, Tracer's narration in Uprising says 27 years ago, Orisa's bio says 20 years ago
arctic loom
i wonder if have something doctor dont know
about lore
she know literally everything
100%
peak escarp
if I don't know it then we haven't been told
past copper
Regardless, the fact is that the Omnic Crisis was different from what Null Sector did in King’s Row. A global invasion that left millions of people killed/homeless/orphaned.
Against a weeks long attack/take over from a group that used force to get what they wanted.
Just saying the Crisis and Null Sector’s actions were much different from each other. It’s just ironic though that it returns full circle when Null Sector attacks in OW2
past copper
Also, a thought came to mind. Remember Train Hopper and the object Talon was hoping to steal?
Well, what if that object was a power source of sorts that Talon gave to Null Sector to enhance their forces armament?
valid terrace
Or Vialli wanted a fancy new paperweight
past copper
I don’t think something glowing and the size of a large crate would be used as a paperweight
valid terrace
That's why Vialli sucked
I would honestly be surprised if we see Train Hopper or most of the other comics ever referenced again
It would be good for the lore and the people here but there has already been confusion among the playerbase when they've referenced the bigger events like Bastion's adoption
past copper
Yeah know. The comics will still be referenced, because it wouldn’t make sense if they weren’t
past copper
They are universe builders. That’s literally the point of lore
valid terrace
Do you really think Dragon Slayer brought any massive events to the table?
The only important thing from that one is learning about Brig, and you don't need the comic to know that
past copper
Yes. It’s small piece that shows what Reinhardt and Brigitte were doing on their travels before Recall
valid terrace
They show us deeper understanding for the characters
Yes
They build the characters
The actual specific events are insignificant
A single line of text or a line of dialogue expresses the same level of universe relevant lore
past copper
Building the characters is building the universe. Because you can’t just throw in a character and not have a background to them. That’s an extra
valid terrace
I'm saying the majority of the comics will not have any impact on the story in the future
Because they aren't there to develop the story
They exist to show the characters deeper traits
past copper
Okay. So about at least 5 or so comics out of multiple others? That doesn’t mean the rest won’t be referenced
valid terrace
Masquerade shows Doomfist taking back control, the Bastion one shows Torbjörn taking him in, the Old Soldiers story is also mostly in the comics
And I guess Searching helps close a loop rather than making one
The rest really aren't necessary to understand the story from ow1 to ow2
Most characters haven't changed
past copper
Agree to disagree. That crate in Train Hopper was important enough for Talon to jump a train for it, which we don’t even know what it is yet. Binary shows how Torbjörn took Bastion in, which I’ll bet will be important for him to explain to Rein and the others. And London Calling shows the before and after events of Mondatta’s death and the actions it had between humans and Omnics.
I’m sure McCree would’ve liked to stay away from anything with Overwatch, but he got roped back in regardless. While we still don’t know about Torbjörn, it looks as though Bastion will be the one to fight in his place. And Tracer wants there to be a peaceful world between humans and machines, but some are making that peace impossible.
Point is, these comics cannot be completely forgotten, because something major happens in most of them. Some of which could easily be referenced in OW2. And not only the comics, short stories and novels too.
valid terrace
major events
London Calling
limpid agate
!!loreGuide
twilit nacelleBOT
This is a guide for people who don't know where to begin with the lore of Overwatch. The first thing is probably to go watch the shorts. They're popular, easy to consume, and pack a lot of story and character.
Shorts Playlist: https://bit.ly/2UQyTeL
There are many comics, short stories, and blog posts as well. The most important ones are:
Binary: https://bit.ly/2IzNvJy
Masquerade: https://bit.ly/2IzNTI0
What You Left Behind: https://bit.ly/2Fh7MRz
There is also an important chain of events following Ana and Soldier 76 (and Mercy at the end):
Legacy: https://bit.ly/2DgM1jQ
Old Soldiers: https://bit.ly/2KLILTV
Bastet: https://bit.ly/2QuXHmM
Valkyrie: https://bit.ly/2CF5JVE
The rest of the stories are mostly optional. Special mention goes out to the Junkers, who have an entertaining string of stories:
Wasted Land: https://bit.ly/2DeKB9G
A Moment in Crime: http://bit.ly/2fMsVYB
Going Legit: https://bit.ly/2InZUkm
The Plan: http://bit.ly/2uZiitC
limpid agate
I would say those are the only important things
Junkers are not important, but they're popular and its a fun story line that keeps getting developed.
I was considering adding Stone By Stone too.
I made this before that
But we need more OW2 news first
Actually nah, Ill add it tonight
valid terrace
Cool
worthy rose
I was considering adding Stone By Stone too.
whats stone by stone?
peak escarp
the most recent short story
it features Symmetra meeting Zenyatta, and it explains how omnics gained sentience because of the sacrifice of an omnic named Aurora
worthy rose
that sounds sooo good
worthy rose
I wonder if the bot has the comic on mei
If anyone can post the link to the mei story ping me please ty
limpid agate
@worthy rose Mei has no comics or short stories. Just the animated shorts she is in
worthy rose
Ah sad
opaque scroll
it features Symmetra meeting Zenyatta, and it explains how omnics gained sentien...
Where can you see these? There's only a limited amount of content on youtube
cosmic crest
Where can you see these? There's only a limited amount of content on youtube
Like Doc said, it's a short story, not a video. You can read it on the OW website.
opaque scroll
Ty
topaz ledge
<@456226577798135808> Mei has no comics or short stories. Just the animated shor...
No canon comics anyway
azure slate
Can’t wait for ow2 lore!!!
peak escarp
Where can you see these? There's only a limited amount of content on youtube
here's everything
twilit nacelleBOT
Short Stories:
Bastet: https://bit.ly/2QuXHmM
What You Left Behind: https://bit.ly/2Fh7MRz
Valkyrie: https://bit.ly/2CF5JVE
Stone By Stone: https://bit.ly/36EsPul
News Reports:
Fading Glory; Jack Morrison: http://bit.ly/2f9TPq4
Experimental Weapon Stolen: http://bit.ly/2fMrKsj
Lucio's Synaesthesia World Tour: http://bit.ly/2flja2U
LumériCo: http://bit.ly/1XAJfd1
Overwatch is Back: http://bit.ly/1TAWebT
LumériCo Revealed: http://bit.ly/2e6P5oj
Portero Steps Down: http://bit.ly/2fk8Bes
Efi Oladele Interview: http://bit.ly/2miMZkT
Horizon Lunar Colony: http://bit.ly/2reMSKx
Attack on Helix: http://bit.ly/2tn45mk
Oslo Attack: https://bit.ly/2uHKXUr
Don Rumbotico: https://bit.ly/2VtzZKX
Documents:
Mei's Adventure: http://bit.ly/2fMxRg4
Torb's Letter: http://bit.ly/2HK4CWa
Venice Declassified: https://bit.ly/2Hs807B
Cuerva: https://bit.ly/2BHEqd9
Yamagami: https://bit.ly/2XJC9Jr
Travel Guides:
Oasis: http://bit.ly/2iPTM4K
Paris: https://bit.ly/2GEyOoq
iron plume
!!shitposting @modest vessel
twilit nacelleBOT
@modest vessel Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
analog cargo
yo anything abt mercy's rez? How does it work or is magic
subtle dawn
yo anything abt mercy's rez? How does it work *or is magic*
rez is only a game ability, it is not canonical to the lore
subtle dawn
true, i meant in the sense of being able to revive the dead
subtle dawn
no
peak escarp
Genji wasn't dead
analog cargo
considered dead by his brother
peak escarp
he was near death
subtle dawn
gravely injured, presumed dead by his brother
peak escarp
OW saved him
peak escarp
nope
analog cargo
from hand?
peak escarp
her healing comes from her staff or her suit
analog cargo
huh thats rez
subtle dawn
just healing, no necromancy
analog cargo
ye
iron plume
It's a "rez" in the sense of someone being down and out of the fight being returned to it
It's more similar to them getting up in the Archives mission than the PVP stuff
rare siren
Lucios lore:
iron plume
He's prominently featured in Hero of Numbani
limpid agate
!!loreHeroes Lucio
twilit nacelleBOT
To learn more, please visit https://playoverwatch.com/en-us/heroes/Lucio#story
limpid agate
@rare siren The novel and that story above are the big things. The rest of what we know is either anecdotal or from in game voice lines.
Lucio will also be a core member of the team in Overwatch 2. He's advertised as main cast.
desert yacht
imagine if they could find a way to make the effects of lucio's songs canon
like have mercy make some wack ass breakthrough that allows healing to be transmitted through soundwaves
arctic loom
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/750549225401745468/893345877790425138/unknown.png i remember seeing it on "We Are Overwatch" and i was like ''huh arent you guys enemies?''
limpid agate
imagine if they could find a way to make the effects of lucio's songs canon
They're explicitly not canon.
He just plays music, and the music does energise and rally people. That just translates to gameplay as speed/healing.
limpid agate
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/750549225401745468/893345877790425138/u...
Yeah that last seen of that video isn't canon either. IT was just a trailer to show off all the heroes
The parts earlier are
desert yacht
They're explicitly not canon.
i'm aware but it'd be funny if they did find a way to make it canon
limpid agate
It would be dumb.
worthy rose
no it wouldn't smh
u see the stuff the other heroes are capable of?
for that matter, is Zen able to heal at all in canon?
i never thought about that
limpid agate
@worthy rose The only canon method of healing wounds we have seen are:
- Soldier has latent regeneration from the SEP
- Mercy's biotic tech and its applications
Lucio does not heal wounds with his music. Mercy does question how Zen is capable of healing, but the line is vague. Spiritual healing? Healing machines? We dont know.
worthy rose
Hm, Zen and Lucio are just gameplay and story segregation then
ah well, I'd rather OW be fun and a game first than trying to find a canon reason for every move in a user's kit lmao
opaque scroll
Well Rein's fire strike makes just as much sense lol
opaque scroll
I knew it's canon
summer hollow
worthy rose
Well all the comics and short stories except Deadlock Rebels got deleted off the website so... I think things are getting better!
worthy rose
Did you try clicking them? They don't load.
iron plume
Did for me earlier
Still, site maintenance isn’t “being deleted”
They also still load from static links, like the ones in our pins
limpid agate
Well all the comics and short stories except Deadlock Rebels got deleted off the...
None of them were deleted. The links in pins link to the same links as those too
iron plume
The site has been fixed now too
low brook
is sombra's translocator made from the blueprints or something from tracer's chronol accelerator?
peak escarp
actually both her interactions with Tracer hint at it
it's the same technology that allows Tracer to Recall
worthy rose
There's also a very rare voice line where Sombra says "Cheers, Love!" & laughs in a mockingly cheerful tone after she translocates.
worthy rose
Yup. Cause sombra is tracer
iron plume
That's
no
past copper
!!shitposting @worthy rose
twilit nacelleBOT
@grand acorn Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
balmy hawk
I just heard a funny interaction between lucio and widow lol
It went something like
Widow: Hush. You’re making too much noise.
Lucio: It’s not noise. Its music.
Widow: Fine. You’re making too much music.
topaz ledge
Ok
worthy rose
Lol
lean prawn
!!LoreHeros meu
you need roles for zep
worthy rose
Ah
lean prawn
!!LoreHeroes Mei
twilit nacelleBOT
To learn more, please visit https://playoverwatch.com/en-us/heroes/Mei#story
worthy rose
Ty
lean prawn
thinking of powerscaling overwatch
finally settle this strongest overwatch hero thing once and for all
worthy rose
Hmm link to mei's story doesn't work
twilit nacelleBOT
To learn more, please visit https://playoverwatch.com/en-us/heroes/mei#story
lean prawn
oh, it's case sensitive
limpid agate
Yup, lower case, no special characters
so lucio or torbjorn without the accents
And dva without the punctuation
worthy rose
Do you guys think there will be a skill tree for the overwatch 2’s story mode or just the hero missions?
peak escarp
I hope they enable it for story missions, it would be more fun
worthy rose
I agree it would deffinetly bring more replayability and more fun in general perhaps something like one with no skills and one with the skills
cosmic crest
I can't think of a reason why they wouldn't.
past copper
Something I thought about, if Bastion got upgraded to 2.0 by Torbjörn, does that mean Orisa will be upgraded to 2.0 by Efi?
It would be interesting to see how Efi can upgrade an OR-series like Orisa again.
lyric sluice
will echo be getting a redesign for ow2 or not since shes so new
cosmic crest
I don't think it's been confirmed. But it's safe to assume she'll get something since it'd be weird if she was the only hero to not get one. Plus she's not that new anymore.
worthy rose
never to early to speculate 😂
past copper
They said all 32 heroes will a new look
peak escarp
at this point it would be weird not to
past copper
Though, I’d be more curious about Echo and Brigitte new looks since we’ve seen them in story mode demo. The devs can probably change that though since that was only a demo
peak escarp
Echo will have been in the game for 2 years already
past copper
I can see it now though. Echo probably wouldn’t get a huge redesign. At best, she’s probably gonna end up more like Pharah with a subtle new look and paint job
Brigitte though, she can easily build her new armor. Her first 02 armor for herself
compact cobalt
We know he’s nearly immortal from actual damage but we don’t know if hes actually impervious to diseases and old age
limpid agate
They said all heroes age, last I checked
But that might have been specifically about Mei/Tracer/Mercy.
worthy rose
Are they still changing Mecree name
mellow lily
Yes
scarlet apex
btw is there any mention at all of what his actual name is
rancid egret
btw is there any mention at all of what his actual name is
reaper? Gabriel Reyes
mccree? nobody knows what his new name will be i’ve heard people say that it’ll be released around november
worldly fox
ive heard that it might be changed to "The Cowboy" but that seems out of order to the rest of the heros so i dont think so
steel peak
silk flax
I thought it would have been changed along with the new ffa map
Rip all the context to mcree in overwatch animations and voice lines
No more “hah good aim mcree” after defecting high noon with genji🥲
peak escarp
they'll just call him by a different name
that probably won't happen until November though
worthy rose
I really hope for a PvE livestream in november or something like that
past copper
We probably get a behind the scenes on the game. Blizzard has shown that the game is nearing completion, but it seems they still have some tests to run with the characters
Now, I don’t know what to expect in November, but would hope to see either a new map or what they’re testing for the heroes
Especially new looks, because I know it won’t be easy to give all of them new looks right off the bat. At least in the cases of Brigitte, Hammond, Sigma, and Echo.
worthy rose
I just think it would be fair to have a dedicated livestream about the PvE in overwatch 2 as we have already had one with the PvP
past copper
Well, they might focus on that. They might not. It would be kinda hard to show anything on the PvE of the game without revealing too much in the story missions.
The only one they could really do that with would be Hero Missions
worthy rose
Exactly and thats what i was thinking hero missions are basically random missions with any heroes so they could just keep those who are still being worked on out of it
past copper
Firstly, I kinda think they’re still working on Hero Missions. We have so little to go on from those. We don’t know how many players can be in a hero mission, we don’t know if you can choose your heroes from all 32+, we don’t even know how many there will be or if you can pick them.
Second, the only other PvE is story and I’m pretty sure Blizzard wants to stay tight lipped over what happens after Rio. That said, they don’t mind showing bits and pieces of story, but it’s difficult to put together without playing the story.
That said though, the only thing that could at least keep things under wraps, but promote hype would be to reveal more NPC’s like Null Sector units and finally show Talon units. There’s also showing heroes new looks and/or new abilities.
azure slate
Is it possible echo is working for talon?
Malevento Easter egg makes me think it’s a possibility
Very slim though
iron plume
There's no reason to think she is
cosmic crest
Yeah, she's not.
azure slate
Idk I can just see her doing an inside job
It’s only a theory based on very tiny hints
cosmic crest
I can see Talon wanting to capture and re-program Echo, or replicate her tech. But Echo herself is definitely not affiliated with them at present.
azure slate
I can see Talon wanting to capture and re-program Echo, or replicate her tech. B...
Yeah
Disclaimer what I’m about to say is not a theory, just a cool idea
Okay echo is an omnic right?
Technically
iron plume
technically, no
iron plume
Omnics are robots made in omniums and ones that descended from those designs
Echo wasn't
azure slate
I figured an omnic would just be the creations of Dr.Mina
Didn’t she start the omnic crisis accidentally?
Sorry if I get this wrong idk much life
Lore
iron plume
She created the omnic AIs
So she played a hand in the crisis
But we don't know what started it
azure slate
Who created the Omnica corporation thing
iron plume
Some corporate business types, probably
But Liao was an employee there
azure slate
Unrelated to what we are talking about, but why is talon digging stuff
And who is Dr. Nachareon
limpid agate
And who is Dr. Nachareon
One of Hamid Faisal's associates
limpid agate
Unrelated to what we are talking about, but why is talon digging stuff
Presumably $$$
Sorry for double ping
iron plume
one would think they'd use a shell org for that
But yes ultimately it's probably to sell some stolen things
I don't think Overwatch is going to go the "ancient technology" route
past copper
Doubtful. Technically, things before/during the Omnic Crisis can be considered “ancient” by modern standards in Overwatch nowadays
iron plume
Uh no not really
past copper
Take Bastion for example. The last of a generation so to speak
iron plume
Modern tech to OW is like post-WWII-era to us, time-wise
It's certainly not buried in ruins
peak escarp
at best they would be "retro"
turbid ruin
malevento: little play but at least we get some lore for ow2
peak escarp
!!loreonly
twilit nacelleBOT
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cosmic crest
I think ancient technology would be preferable and more fitting than magical/supernatural stuff, but I also don't think they should really go down that route.
worthy rose
But technically isn't Hanzo and Genji's dragons magic since its deffinetly not technology
worthy rose
no i don’t belive summoning dragons can be done trough technology
worthy rose
”Only a shimada can control the dragons” - hanzo
rancid egret
maybe it’s a closely kept “secret”
the dragons and symmetra orbs have similar properties it’s safe to say they’re the same thing
worthy rose
The dragon literally appears straight trough dragon tatto arm as he sais the line
rancid egret
there is NO magic in overwatch
rancid egret
The dragon literally appears straight trough dragon tatto arm as he sais the lin...
maybe it’s a projector
past copper
Well, this is only a thought, but I remember watching an episode of Ancient Aliens where they were talking about tattoos potentially becoming electronic.
worthy rose
projector inside his arm?
past copper
So maybe Hanzo’s tattoo is electronic since OW is in the future and has improved such tech
To create hardlight constructs in the form of dragons
worthy rose
but he doesn’t even look like his been modified at all
rancid egret
projector inside his arm?
bro it’s literally the future and it’s open ended lore that isn’t 100% verified but everything points to it being hard light
especially since there IS NO MAGIC
worthy rose
who said that
worthy rose
where?
rancid egret
ask doctor six
past copper
but he doesn’t even look like his been modified at all
Bro, electronic tattoos kinda make sense. I mean, remember the Los Muertos? Those are probably electron tattoos on their bodies instead of just glow in the dark ink.
hexed skiff
Isn't hanzo blessed with the power of one of the dragons it's sort of magic
worthy rose
i agree
past copper
Bro, they’re not blessed with magic
Everything. EVERYTHING is scientific in Overwatch. Not a single thing is magic.
The only difference is that it’s not overly futuristic like in other syfy or overly fantastic like in fantasy
mellow lily
The dragons aren't magic
past copper
Ok. Look at it like this
Tattoo with hardlight screen coming off it.
That’s basically Hanzo’s arm with his dragon tattoo
Only on a more advanced scale
valid terrace
We don't actually know
Hard light is just the most probable theory
Since the dragons behave similarly to Symmetra's stun orbs from A Better World
limpid agate
And with biometric locks
Only a Shimada can control them
Hanzo is a dramatic hero
We know its tech
The speculation is what kind
wraith smelt
That would explain why his aim is so good
desert edge
His aim has nothing to do with that
peak escarp
ask doctor six
it was said in an interview with a Thai gaming magazine that unfortunately no longer exists
hard light tech that is either proprietary or has some kind of biometric lock are the most plausible explanations
arctic loom
i remember on description saying
about ow 2 stuff
hope shows a new design of character
i still curious about ana design
peak escarp
arctic loom
yep sneak peek
gilded grove
compact cobalt
Potential ow2 char teaser?!?!?
past copper
Honestly, and I say this with uncertainty, would be bad if Echo was mostly repainted to match Overwatch original colors? Blue and white
Because I really don’t have any thought about what Echo could look like as a redesign
upbeat elm
Whats this from?
compact cobalt
Because I really don’t have any thought about what Echo could look like as a red...
echo prob wont be redesigned
peak escarp
Whats this from?
the Overwatch artbook vol. 2
upbeat elm
Oh cool
past copper
echo prob wont be redesigned
They literally said last week ago that ALL 32 heroes will be redesigned.
compact cobalt
not very much
peak escarp
or you could buy it yourself
worthy rose
so yeah doctor when you receive the artbook send us photos from it?
im buying it so i wouldnt mind sharing pics
rapid hornet
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iron plume
Contact modmail if you have a report. None of it has to do with this channel
willow lodge
They literally said last week ago that ALL 32 heroes will be redesigned.
i hope they’ll have an option to have the original design as a skin, if not maybe some of the older skins
cosmic crest
All of the skins you have in OW 1 will be available in OW 2
valid terrace
It's just a second default for ow2 players
flint locust
there is NO magic in overwatch
U sure?
worthy rose
yes
cosmic crest
yes
peak escarp
the devs have stated that there is no magic in Overwatch
past copper
There is no magic. So stop while you’re ahead cosmo
crimson mist
Zenyatta: guess I don't exist then
cosmic crest
Nothing about Zenyatta is magic.
worthy rose
Things one doesn’t understand is often explained as ”magic”
past copper
Zenyatta isn’t magic. He has a gravity device built into his torso that allows him to float. And even if we can’t explain his orbs based on game design, realistically it’s probably magnetism at work.
So there is ZERO magic in Overwatch. Everything you see is either based on advanced science
peak escarp
his discord/harmony orbs are not canon
his "orb of destruction"/primary fire isn't technically either - the physical orbs themselves exist, but they aren't weapons
the Shambali use metal orbs as a meditative focus
as described in Stone By Stone
Transcendence is a representation of how the omnic Aurora transcended to give omnics sapience
Zenyatta can canonically heal, but we don't know how (and even Mercy doesn't understand it)
past copper
That’s what I meant. I never said he used them in combat. I was referring to making them float around him
It would make sense if they were doing so through magnetism
Which I think we also see them doing so in the gameplay trailer, but I don’t remember exactly
I just remember Genji bowing before a meditating Zenyatta in what looks like a cutaway scene
elder iris
This is just speculation but I think some sort of magnetic influence is what levitates the orbs since Zen sure is an omnic...
valid terrace
He's not the only thing that can float
The cars are the most common example
So it is likely some sort of technology that Zenyatta also utilizes
fair kelp
Zenyatta isn’t magic. He has a gravity device built into his torso that allows h...
what abt genji and hanzo’s ult?
that isn’t advanced science, right? 
also pls ping me in your reply so i can see it easier. i am genuinely interested in what your response is
worthy rose
what abt genji and hanzo’s ult?
someone made a good theory on how its a type of advanced tattoo i cant find the exact message but its in the channel somewhere
fair kelp
oh, interesting 
peak escarp
also pls ping me in your reply so i can see it easier. i am genuinely interested...
the leading theory is that the tattoos emit a hard light construct, which is either biologically locked to the Shimada family or is just proprietary technology owned by them
fair kelp
cool!
peak escarp
nothing is confirmed, and it will probably never get explained
what they are isn't important to the story
valid terrace
Yes
crimson mist
Explaining all this with science sounds more unrealistic and stupid than just saying it's magic
peak escarp
if they said it was magic they'd have to explain how Earth in 2070-whatever suddenly has magic
valid terrace
Magic is more realistic than science?
peak escarp
Overwatch is supposed to be set I the real world, not some fantasy parallel universe
valid terrace
Magic is a write-off for anything that doesn't have any other explanation, the things we're talking about here share many properties with known non-magic sources
It's like saying some never before seen bird is more likely an alien than just another form of bird
It's possible, but altogether unlikely considering the rules that have been built up
compact cobalt
New species of animals are discovered all the time lmao
There’s probably still tens of thousands of undiscovered species in the ocean alone
limpid agate
That was their point
past copper
Look, here’s something to blow your mind. You know how in ancient times there was people called witches, wizards, sorcerers, and sorceress because they did magic or alchemy? Well that was basically just how people described what they couldn’t comprehend.
In other words, magic was just science and nothing more. All that stuff you see in fantasy franchises is a modern interpretation of magic. Any game, movie, cartoon, anime, or TV series with magic uses this version of magic, while in actuality, magic was just science that was more than likely ahead of its time
In short, Overwatch doesn’t have any magic. They use highly advanced science and technology of which we are just barely in the process of developing/succeeding at today, but are still years from matching the same level as Overwatch.
valid terrace
Clearly not everyone does otherwise there wouldn't be a debate
peak escarp
Overwatch may not be scientifically accurate all the time (having one's pulse slowed would probably make them a terrible sniper), but at least it has internal consistency
crimson mist
I was just saying that a lot of the Science in overwatch is a bit too unrealistic
gleaming tusk
I was just saying that a lot of the Science in overwatch is a bit too unrealisti...
Like where come from dragons?
cosmic arch
Zenyatta isn’t magic. He has a gravity device built into his torso that allows h...
Isn't the Iris is supposed to be something divine caused by him reaching his perfect form
crimson mist
It's probably some Spiritual Power or maybe even mystical
Just asking all If this isn't magic, what is?
peak escarp
Isn't the Iris is supposed to be something divine caused by him reaching his per...
the Iris is a metaphysical concept that the Shambali believe in
that all souls are a part of
the Shambali believe omnics have souls
past copper
Seriously, I don’t think anyone can make it anymore clearer then this. So let me spell it out in a way they can understand. MAGIC are you still with me? Good. DOESN’T EXIST.
There is no magic in Overwatch. Plain and simple. Honestly, at this point I think if this same conversation continues it could be counted as shitposting, but that’s probably only my opinion.
peak escarp
Seriously, I don’t think anyone can make it anymore clearer then this. So let me...
calm down
the conversation has moved on
worthy rose
so rude lmfao
torpid thicket
"Magic is just science we have yet to understand."
Or I think it was "Sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic"
I don't recall the exact quote, nor who originally said it lol
limpid agate
Second one, Arthur C Clarke
torpid thicket
Yeah that's probably the original quote
The first one I likely made up
Point is
Zenyatta is probably the most "magical" character
But his abilities could likely be explained by just originating from the hyper-advanced knowledge that an unhinged godlike artificial intelligence would be able to come up with
limpid agate
What
torpid thicket
The Iris is likely to be something similar to the original God AIs, right?
limpid agate
No
torpid thicket
I mean, I don't think it's addressed in canon
limpid agate
Not even remotely close
God Programs were a coloquial term referring to programs like Anubis. The Iris is unrelated as far as we know, and there is nothing to suggest a link beyond a shitty fan theory that also claimed Ana is Sombra.
torpid thicket
We know hardly anything about the Iris, so to say that it is, perhaps, a more benevolent relative of the God Programs, maybe with differing origins, is not out of the question.
limpid agate
What
torpid thicket
Again, we don't know much. It's probably a philosophical concept more than anything
peak escarp
the Iris is a metaphysical concept, like heaven or the afterlife
torpid thicket
the Iris is a metaphysical concept, like heaven or the afterlife
Yeah that's the idea we get from it generally. But maybe it actually does have an incarnation on Earth in some shape or form.
torpid thicket
Well, the how I'm not sure of. Perhaps it's constructed by the Shambali monks to achieve transcendence.
torpid thicket
The why is basically to explain how Zenyatta supposedly gets abilities from a metaphysical concept.
limpid agate
Which abilities
torpid thicket
I mean, his ultimate at least is pretty explicitly based in the Iris in some fashion
past copper
That’s a game only thing
limpid agate
Not all abilities are canon
Zen was used as a specific example back in 2016 for a hero with non-canon abilities
His ultimate isn't something he can literally do. At least not by magical terms.
past copper
Just because you see an ability in game doesn’t mean it’s ALL canon
limpid agate
Its a 1:1 copy of what Symmetra did with the Aurora statue in Stone By Stone
Which, if anything, suggests that it is the use of specifically Symmetra's hard light technology that enables Zen to demonstrate Transcendence.
Other than the literal healing effect, which we see from other abilities (Roadhog's Hogdrogen in Wasted Land, Lucio's music in Hero of Numbani) is a non-literal healing
peak escarp
it's a reference to this:
past copper
Yes, which was a statue that Symmetra improved
torpid thicket
Other than the literal healing effect, which we see from other abilities (Roadho...
Tru tru
Which similarly could explain Harmony orbs
limpid agate
The only literal healing we have that is canon is:
- Mercy's tech
- Most applications of Mercy's tech
- Soldier/Reaper's regeneration from the Soldier Enhancement Program
I might have missed one?
torpid thicket
Which similarly could explain Harmony orbs
If we're even trying to explain that
torpid thicket
The only literal healing we have that is canon is:
- Mercy's tech
- Most applica...
Ana heals I think?
past copper
Moira’s energy deem?
limpid agate
- Most applications of Mercy's tech
peak escarp
she uses Mercy's tech
limpid agate
Both of those
limpid agate
Yes
torpid thicket
Hmm then yeah I think that mostly covers it
Bastion's self-repair could qualify ig
past copper
Well, Baptiste’s immortality field was confirmed, but it sounds more like a barrier than what it is in game
torpid thicket
Alright then I guess Zenyatta's abilities could be explained as nonmagical anyway, even with technology proven to exist in OW Canon, but either way his abilities have been explicitly explained as being non-canon
Like half of it is hard light technology (orbs of destruction and transcendence particularly), and Harmony/Discord might be explained as just "emotional healing/destabilization" or the like
But again, we don't even have to justify it since it's technically not really canon anyway
peak escarp
harmony/discord orbs are specifically called out as non-canon abilities
torpid thicket
harmony/discord orbs are specifically called out as non-canon abilities
Definitely in that case then
Though the precedent still exists in Lucio's healing music and Roadhog's Hogdrogen
peak escarp
Lucio's music doesn't heal
Hogdrogen doesn't heal wounds either - it's just treatment for his radiation poisoning
torpid thicket
Exactly - so while the Harmony orb could be a Canon ability, it doesn't necessarily have to heal the body
peak escarp
when Lucio appears in Hero of Numbani, his music provides a rhythm for people to fight to, so they can work in sync
functionally a "speed boost" if you will
he doesn't heal at all in the novel
torpid thicket
Tru tru
peak escarp
for an example of how the Shambali use orbs in canon, refer to Stone By Stone:
was a practice she had attempted in the past but had found challenging. She was surprised when they gave the pilgrims each a metallic sphere that fit in the palms of their hands.
“These are the spheres we ourselves meditate upon,” Zenyatta told her.
“Like those in the bas-relief.”
He nodded. “I think for you…the Orb of Perception.”
“So that I might best perceive what you need.”
“Mmm,” he said, neither agreeing nor disagreeing. “Move the orb from one hand to the other. Focus on its weight; how it feels. How it moves.”```
scenic ermine
idk if anyone cares enough but what do yall think about emily
shes just kinda there
i wish she was a bit more interesting as a partner to tracer and we could see the dynamic more than just its ok ik ur busy no conflict to see here
iron plume
And regarding emily, yes she's not exactly well developed, but I don't think a relationship-focused comic would do much in Overwatch
opaque scroll
Who's Emily?
valid terrace
Tracer's gf
opaque scroll
I need to read up on all this lore
scenic ermine
I need to read up on all this lore
You can read all the comics on the website :3
I know tracer got alot of attention already but i think an origin story of pre-overwatch would be cool for them?? at least as a fan comic possibly
iron plume
There isn't much left unsaid for pre-overwatch Tracer
scenic ermine
im thinking like young lena like why did she want to become a piolet and all, idk i feel like we know all the characters but we don't, its all a superficial understanding and i wouldn't mind if there was more depth to their ambitions and intentions
iron plume
If we're to go that route, there's a lot of characters who are significantly less developed
scenic ermine
i agree, i think that London Calling was a missed opportunity to develop tracer more, (although it did have a good message) it would be unfair to keep continuing talking about her because there are like 20 other characters that need their time to shine
limpid agate
London Calling was a missed opportunity overall
scenic ermine
licherally
it was a flip-flop of a comic
dw tho
my comic is gonna be better
i can fix this
desert edge
Lore discussion: [Serious] Discussion strictly to the Lore of Overwatch. Fanfiction is not canon and should not be discussed here
worthy rose
London Calling was a missed opportunity overall
how is London Calling viewed in general?
i havent read it myself but is the wrst thing about was focusing on the wrong then maybe?
i hope lol
limpid agate
Poorly
peak escarp
it didn't really add anything
limpid agate
It started off setting up a few things
scenic ermine
to me it feels very juvenille, like a saturday morning cartoon where everything is ok in the end, i wont spoil it because it will take you literally less than 2 hours to read and i think you should see for yourself, it focused on the right thing but didn't execute it all that well, alot of it was anticlimactic tho,
limpid agate
And then just mismanged everything
scenic ermine
📠
limpid agate
Bad writing, bad pacing, everything was bland
scenic ermine
📠
fr
and the art was kinda ass
it was very tween art
you can tell it was made on procreate and at some points it looks like the artist tried to do all of it in one sitting at 4 in the morning
whereas reflections had more work put into it and was more elevated to a mature audience, although it did not have anything profane
peak escarp
profane?
worthy rose
mm, that's a shame
LC is about the King's Row uprising right?
a huge event in OW, that really sucks aww
peak escarp
also there's nothing wrong with using Procreate, lots of artists use it
peak escarp
LC is about the King's Row uprising right?
no
peak escarp
the Uprising was 7 years ago
worthy rose
oh fuckin duh
peak escarp
LC is about Tracer meeting the omnics that live beneath Kings Row and helping them
worthy rose
huh
at least it's not something "ruining" an event in ow's history that's already preestablished
peak escarp
well
scenic ermine
i was wrong to drag a drawing program i didn't know how to put it, but the coloring, line brushes were very limited
cosmic crest
The art was the best thing about the comic
peak escarp
prior to LC, it was established that Alive happened the same day as Recall
but LC shows Recall happening later
scenic ermine
it just feels like there was no substance to it other than the speach given
i wish they had the actual writers put their two cents in
peak escarp
they did
CREATIVE CONSULTATION: JEFF KAPLAN, MICHAEL CHU, JEFF CHAMBERLAIN, ARNOLD TSANG, GEORGE KRSTIC, ALYSSA WONG, SEAN COPELAND, MADI BUCKINGHAM
Michael Chu was the former lead writer, Jeff Chamberlain is the current lead narrative director
Arnold Tsang is the art director
George Krstic and Alyssa Wong were writers for the team
Sean Copeland and Madi Buckingham are lore historians
peak escarp
London Calling was written with full input and direction from the team
worthy rose
i mean if yall are saying this about an official piece of media and it being so recent worries for me for OW2's story
or maybe Im looking to much into it since it's just one of the omics iunno
peak escarp
it's a filler comic
worthy rose
ye
peak escarp
I wouldn't worry about it
the short stories are still good
and the in-game missions will be good
they've been building a strong narrative team
worthy rose
true true
I mean with all the gameplay changes and fucking gross 5v5 aaaaaa
the characters and story/lore are what I really care about now
peak escarp
I've never really cared about the gameplay
peak escarp
the lore has been my main interest for the last 5 years
iron plume
I'm mostly in it for the characters but I'm excited for the pve gameplay
peak escarp
PvE is more fun anyway
iron plume
yep
worthy rose
characters are my number 1
just love the world they've made
games and series like OW, MHA where it's just
anything and everyone can be a character
a normal soldier like 76 to something like echo, orisa
a cowboy
doomfist
etc etc
peak escarp
I've put a lot of time into making resources and lists to make the lore more accessible
iron plume
well I'd hardly call 76 'normal'
peak escarp
Blizzard doesn't make it easy
worthy rose
well true but i mean like his base as a character
american soldier
and all of them in the same world together works out too
turbid ruin
does anyone still remember fusionator and soundquake from the first cinematic trailer for ow
turbid ruin
Nothing important
they have been teased as heroes or new heroes but they never really came out lol
peak escarp
they weren't really teased
turbid ruin
however we know mauga, jkt queen, and soujourn
peak escarp
they were literally just names in the first cinematic trailer
limpid agate
Even Doomfist wasn't teased
He was just a throwaway name
They only made him into a hero because of popular demand
turbid ruin
except doomfist like remember those memes like
follow jeff and he will give you doomfist
turbid ruin
They only made him into a hero because of popular demand
and the cringey terry crews as va fo doom
turbid ruin
They said it was just another throwaway name
oh i didnt know
limpid agate
And people locked onto it so much that they eventually made him a hoer almost 2 years later
Sorry
Almost 3 years later
Fusionator or Soundwave are teasted about as much as Kimiko or Mirembe
Which is to say, not at all
Sound Quake*
turbid ruin
tbh i beginning to they aint heroes however had an important role in ow lore prob hopefully we get some good lore again for ow2
limpid agate
No they didnt
If you thinkt hey did, what important role did they have
It was about as important as Kimiko or Mirembe
turbid ruin
If you thinkt hey did, what important role did they have
why r u being so mad
turbid ruin
I am asking you for an explanation is all.
idk actually i love ow lore but im trying to predict a new hero but nvm coz god can only predict not me
limpid agate
You're free to make predictions, but you should have some reason behind them
Those two are both throwaway names from 7 years ago that are less than unimportant
And have literally never been mentioned since
turbid ruin
You're free to make predictions, but you should have some reason behind them
welp im just pissed and had a mental breakdown by some idiots who keep bashing at me for playing my fave game
im afraid that ow2 will die on release ik it wont but idiots who say it its so annoying to hear them whine
turbid ruin
Not unless it is completely mismanaged in an unprecedented disaster
basically as an ow player i dreamed of becoming part of an ow team but i think probably not coz now ow pros some have bad reputation xqc used to but he was able to manage it
limpid agate
You dont need to ping for every single message
turbid ruin
k
finite mural
just gonna say it
no one realizes how smart junkrat is lore wise.
the man makes bombs for a living. you know how smart you gotta be to make that shit
cosmic crest
He's a savant. He's pretty moronic in general but is very intelligent when it comes to explosives.
worthy rose
is soldier 76 gay cus everyones saying that he is
iron plume
He is
iron plume
He's a savant. He's pretty moronic in general but is very intelligent when it co...
I'd say not even just explosives
Wringing stuff up from scrap in general
He's a talented mechanic
vague topaz
however we know mauga, jkt queen, and soujourn
What about the fox girl?
peak escarp
What about the fox girl?
"fox girl" is still a vague concept, we don't know who or what she is
Mauga, JQ and Sojourn are known characters
finite mural
Bombs are actually pretty easy
ok but you look at stuff like his rip tire, frag launcher, concussion mines. each other one them is different. especially the rip tire and the mechanics of that.
you gotta be good in engineering in order to make that.
iron plume
Well, yes
But it's hardly the bomb part that's difficult engineering
which was my point
finite mural
He's a savant. He's pretty moronic in general but is very intelligent when it co...
it reminds me a lot of like, high iq statistics.
statistically, people with higher iqs lack common sense, speaking from experience since my family are all in the 150 range and all dumb in common sense.
finite mural
Well, yes
But it's hardly the bomb part that's difficult engineering
yeah, definitely. i meant more like the mechanics that go it. yeah to make a basic bomb is easy but to have add ons that enhance it is insane.
limpid agate
Mauga, JQ and Sojourn are known characters
And even then, we have no timeline on Mauga
Just as an inevitability
peak escarp
yeah
twilit nacelleBOT
Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
peak escarp
zeppelin slow
cosmic crest
wdym?
finite mural
i mean, there's a lot of old characters we haven't see the redesign for.
finite mural
i phrased it wrong
desert edge
They're just showing us them slowly
To keep hype up
Just wait
It's not like the designs matter much
finite mural
i mean they should reveal old characters first before the new ones.
cause then that's the hype
but then again it's ow2. the hype is gone-
worthy rose
He means he wants all the old character redesigns before we know the new heroes
finite mural
thx
worthy rose
but tbf we don't know any new heroes outside of Sig
finite mural
im absolutely out of it rn cause im sick
peak escarp
they're not really "new" at this point
I expect redesigns for all OW1 heroes, including Echo and Sigma
worthy rose
sigma has hair
worthy rose
what is blackwatch and why is it made
peak escarp
Blackwatch was the black ops division of Overwatch
they were made to do the more overtly illegal missions - kidnapping, assassinations, espionage, interrogation, etc.
desert yacht
would Hammond be considered Australian
I know wrecking ball would be Australian but
since Hammond landed in Australia as his first country and has lived there since and participated actively in their events and culture
I know that first and foremost he’s lunarian
actually would Winston be British
he pays taxes to Britain right
which means he’s a British citizen right
his first citizenship would be Britain
Hammond isn’t a citizen so i guess his situation may be different
iron plume
since Hammond landed in Australia as his first country and has lived there since...
He hasn't really lived there "since"
He left to wander the world after winning in Junkertown
desert yacht
true
iron plume
And I don't think Winston pays taxes
because for one he'd need income for that
desert yacht
maybe that was a fanon thing I read
iron plume
plus there's probably some kind of legal weirdness going on with Watchpoint, what with the Overwatch flag
it's possible that it's like
A UN-controlled exclave or whatever
iron plume
well that might have been a joke
plus it was pre-Fall when he likely lived at the HQ
desert yacht
so is that a no to listing Winston as British and Hammond as Australian in addition to lunarian
iron plume
Hammond you could make an argument, Winston I'd say no
desert yacht
you could maker a better argument for Hammond than Winston?
at least Britain knows that Winston is a gorilla
iron plume
I'd say yes
Because we know Hammond interacted with Australia (even if Junkertown isn't the same as the 'civilized' Australia)
But we don't know of Winston ever getting out of the Watchpoint when he was there
And as for knowing their species, people around the world know Winston is a gorilla
While very few people know Hammond, and the few who might are Junkers
desert yacht
the only hints I’ve found of Winston having a life outside of Watchpoint Gibraltar besides missions is the paying taxes to Switzerland comment which is still rocky on truthfulness, and Hollywood asking him to be in a movie
wrecking ball and orisa are the only robots we know the nationality of
at least i think wrecking ball can be considered so
peak escarp
wrecking ball and orisa are the only robots we know the nationality of
nationality implies he was a citizen
I don't think Australia would give citizenship to a regular hamster, much less a genetically enhanced one
iron plume
Also that Australia has any sort of legal control over Junker territory
peak escarp
we don't really know the status of Numbani either - is it a city in Nigeria, or does it have it's own sovereignty (like Vatican City or Monaco)
so Orisa's nationality isn't known either
iron plume
They have a fleg
and also
Base of Operations: Numbani
as opposed to
Base of Operations: Annecy, France
Base of Operations: London, England
Base of Operations: Deadlock Gorge, Arizona, USA
peak escarp
lots of things have flags that aren't countries
but the base of operations is a good point
iron plume
yeah but the others we see are countries (or Overwatch for bases)
limpid agate
Numbani is a city state like Monaco or Singapore
Oasis is part of Iraq.
Junkertown is part of Australia
cosmic crest
I feel like Junkertown might declare independence from the rest of Australia, but the rest of the world would be inclined to ignore them.
dusk laurel
I feel like Junkertown might declare independence from the rest of Australia, bu...
It’d be a cool plot
iron plume
I mean
they might as well have already
they're certainly no fans of the Aus government
cosmic crest
Yeah, considering the reason Junkertown exists in the first place is because of the civil war
peak escarp
not really a civil war, more like a guerrilla uprising
limpid agate
They're borderline terrorists
If not literally terrorists
Or at least the group that blew up the omniun were
compact cobalt
The junkers probably don’t care about the Aussie government
zinc apex
They're borderline terrorists
I think so because if they are not terrorist how can they claim so much land?
peak escarp
the Junkers started out as the farmers who lived on the land around the omnium that the government gave to the omnics
they were mad that "their" land was being given away, so they fought back
opaque scroll
I think so because if they are not terrorist how can they claim so much land?
The fuck do you mean, you say that like terrorists were most often groups that claim land
And as far as I'm aware terrorists usually terrorize, not take land
I agree, technically the omnium destroyers were
But the rest? Nah
jaunty crown
is crusader armour made out of sum special material
or is it just regular ass metal
opaque scroll
Some of it is probably metal but I would guess not all of it
Shit's massive
and some of it has the carbon fiber texture but lighter so 
drifting crater
And as far as I'm aware terrorists usually terrorize, not take land
Terrorism uses violence in the pursuit of political aims - the acquisition of land and resources brings power
opaque scroll
fair
drifting crater
lime flax
Wasn't there supposed to be an OW2 sneak peek in the Art of Overwatch vol 2 that came out today?
Anyone got that?
limpid agate
Its not out yet
scenic ermine
Wasn't there supposed to be an OW2 sneak peek in the Art of Overwatch vol 2 that...
WHAT
what's that?
lime flax
Its the artbook that will cover concept art for Doomfist to Echo and a bunch of other behind the scenes stuff
So when does it actually come out? Cuz it's Oct 15th and I haven't seen anything about it
limpid agate
but like balderich literally firmed a bastion canon in the honor and glory cinematic
time stamp is 5:52
peak escarp
and?
Bastion's cannon fire probably isn't anything special, just regular cannon munitions
opaque scroll
That's way better than some dumbass mercy who dies even behind her fucking tanks
desert yacht
i know horizon is like a very minor thing at this point but
i think it'd be cool to see some of it in the lore
going forward
maybe a comic or something from that time idk
limpid agate
I disagree. Only value it has is giving a face to a few of the names.
desert yacht
doesn't mean it can't be a cool side thing
seeing winston's development on the colony beyond what recall showed us could be great
upper lake
horizon origins would be fun
i want some background on where they got winston and hammond from
lucid vessel
Is there a timeline that's more up to date than the 2018 one
limpid agate
Overgosh stopped updating it entirely
But there is an Italian who makes a timeline with a similar style, lemme see if I can find it.
There is also @peak escarp's timeline: https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/overwatch/t/overwatch-timeline-with-links/605585
lucid vessel
Thanks 
upper lake
Would it be possible for sombra to hack Echo?
analog cargo
does Sombra have implants
cosmic crest
Yes. She has cybernetic implants in her brain and spinal cord. She's a cyborg.
past copper
There’s all kinds of cybernetic implants really, but I think Sombra is the first to take them a step further then most
She’s basically got a computer implanted into her brain
covert echo
Could someone hack Sombra then?
peak escarp
I dont think normal cybernetics have a computer in them
there's nothing there to hack
analog cargo
oh ye theres two kinds of cybernetics
compact cobalt
Could someone hack Sombra then?
Unless she was hooked up to the internet or a network no
Maybe with the tech in their world it’d be possible
covert echo
That could be an interesting ow2 plot point.
limpid agate
Could someone hack Sombra then?
That's the whole point of her upgrade
So no one can hack or access her
worthy rose
Yknow
Ever since one person said it
I havent seen Sigma's lore vid myself so be prepared to disregard what I say rn but
Isn't Sigma's character and behavior in-game far, far too calm?
and collected ig?
Or shouldn't he be on Junkrat's level of fuckin nuts and mental damage
analog cargo
Talon fixes things, maybe they fixed sigma
worthy rose
like Widow and Sigma's interaction is cute but like
peak escarp
I think it's the other way around
worthy rose
isn't that a totally different character from the one we were introduced to?
peak escarp
the game got it right, and the origin trailer just exaggerated Sigma's behaviour for shock value
worthy rose
ohhh that's interesting
cause I do prefer the in-game Sigma
i should just watch the vid ffs lol
worthy rose
I like Sigma in game too. Seems like a nice and chill dude
gusty sluice
Same here
My friend is totally obsessed with him
Haha
Sigma is prob the coolest one of the bunch. Portrayed as evil in trailers, but a charming, cool superhero profressor in game. His in game personality was his personality before the expirement i believe?
grand wedge
Sigma is eccentric, but he wasn't struggling with mental health issues, he was struggling with the fact that his mind and body were briefly separated during the exposition to the black hole, and that resulted in gravitational anomalies surrounding him that no one could cure. Until Talon came and abducted him, helped him, and now are using his discoveries for their own profits
compact cobalt
the game got it right, and the origin trailer just exaggerated Sigma's behaviour...
I respectfully disagree, I believe the lore vid showcased his mentality directly after the incident which is why he was on a stretcher, he most likely either acts normally and only goes crazy when using the black hole powers or is basically normal
peak escarp
I respectfully disagree, I believe the lore vid showcased his mentality directly...
it's hard to say without seeing him in a non-stylized piece of lore
worldly wren
If I’m starting to understand and read the lore of OW where would I start and how
peak escarp
!!loreguide
twilit nacelleBOT
This is a guide for people who don't know where to begin with the lore of Overwatch. The first thing is probably to go watch the shorts. They're popular, easy to consume, and pack a lot of story and character.
Shorts Playlist: https://bit.ly/2UQyTeL
There are many comics, short stories, and blog posts as well. The most important ones are:
Binary: https://bit.ly/2IzNvJy
Masquerade: https://bit.ly/2IzNTI0
What You Left Behind: https://bit.ly/2Fh7MRz
Stone By Stone: https://bit.ly/36EsPul
There is also an important chain of events following Ana and Soldier 76 (and Mercy at the end):
Legacy: https://bit.ly/2DgM1jQ
Old Soldiers: https://bit.ly/2KLILTV
Bastet: https://bit.ly/2QuXHmM
Valkyrie: https://bit.ly/2CF5JVE
The rest of the stories are mostly optional. Special mention goes out to the Junkers, who have an entertaining string of stories:
Wasted Land: https://bit.ly/2DeKB9G
A Moment in Crime: http://bit.ly/2fMsVYB
Going Legit: https://bit.ly/2InZUkm
The Plan: http://bit.ly/2uZiitC
peak escarp
this guide is a good starting point, you can also go through the animated shorts playlist or the comics list
worldly wren
Okay thank you !
peak escarp
if you have any questions, just ask
iron plume
!!shitposting @worthy rose
twilit nacelleBOT
@coral warren Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
scenic ermine
hi i have a question
ok so i think in london calling it was mentioned that before there was a peace between humans and omnics
but then before that omnics declared war?
and now theres conflict again bc on mondatta dying
gusty sluice
It was said omnics and humans lived in peace before the war. Then rogue omnics terrorized the entire world through intense warfare. Because of that, sentient omnics and humans were never the same again how they liked each other
Right now, their relations are mostly hostile to untrustworthy
scenic ermine
i see
thank u so much
what would be like the decade?
i know it takes plave 2050-2070
gusty sluice
We dont know but in my estimate, approx. Mid 2040s-Mid 2050s
peak escarp
omnics were made about 30 years before Overwatch's present day (which is 60 years in our future), but the company that produced them wasn't able to meet demands so they got shut down
then the factories woke up on their own and started mass producing omnics to wage war on humanity
this war lasted a few years before the UN created a strike team called Overwatch to take down the omnic command structure
after the war, there was a period of uneasy peace - some places accepted and welcomed omnics, other places treated them harshly
then about 7 years before Overwatch's present, an extremist omnic group called Null Sector started making terrorist attacks against humans in the name of omnic rights, and more recently, the omnics from the omnium in Siberia have started a new war against Russia
peak escarp
also they prevented her from competing in the olympics
But on the eve of the tournament, an attack came from the long-dormant Siberian omnium, and her village was thrust into war once again. Aleksandra immediately withdrew from the competition and rushed home to enlist in the local defense forces, sacrificing the life of fame and fortune she might have had.
peak escarp
to replace human workers and help the economy
peak escarp
omnics can work for longer, do more dangerous work, and don't need to be paid
scenic ermine
and someone running a business would hire them bc of cheap labor and expected results
peak escarp
exactly
scenic ermine
wouldn't they take jobs from humans?
peak escarp
but Omnica Corporation promised way more omnics than they could possibly deliver
sudden mountain
So I know the creator of Omnics was invited to join Overwatch and she made echo but do we know anything else about her?
peak escarp
she was Singaporean