lore-discussion

[limpid agate]

Floating isn't special in Overwatch

[peak escarp]

the insectoid one does too, for that matter

[limpid agate]

Lots of things float

[past copper]

Well, I don’t think you could expect an Omnic to start floating around like Sigma.

He’s controlling his own gravity with his mind

That being said though, if his research was weaponized, I don’t know what that weapon would go into

I’d like to think something like gravity bomb, but I don’t know if that seems deadly or not

[limpid agate]

We already have omnics that float around like Sigma

That predate Sigma

[past copper]

I meant weaponized Omnics. Not civilian Omnics

[limpid agate]

So did I

[past copper]

Whatever. I still think that Omnic with the ring on his back could use Sigma’s gravity research. Mostly because I can’t say for sure what it can do to attack

I just bet it has something to do with that back ring since it reminds me of Susanoo from Akame ga Kill

[rancid egret]

idk why you have to argue about everything @past copper all they’re saying is it’s more likely that the omnics simply have that common tech for mobility

[limpid agate]

The one with the ring

Is the one with the levitation tech we can visibly see

Even if we had some hypothetical "Sigma crossover omnic" which is impossible considering Sigma's powers are an innate condition with his body

We can literally see the levrims

[past copper]

Firstly, I’m not arguing. Second, I’m not saying they use his research to levitate. I know they have tech for that. I’m saying they use it for attacking and nothing else.

Probably not with miniature black holes, but in some way. Like maybe that ring forms some kind of energy that changes the gravity in the surrounding area to allow for it to pull up debris and then drop it back down like a meteor strike on the team. Or maybe launch surrounding large debris at targets.

That’s all I’m saying so stop trying to push an argument

[limpid agate]

This speculation is based on what

It sounds like it's based on nothing

[past copper]

It’s not like you can either prove or dispute it either, so why does it even matter to you?

[limpid agate]

The burden of proof lies in the claim

This channel is for lore discussion. It is NOT a dumping ground for random baseless theories or random meaningless headcanons

You can speculate if there's something reasonable to your claim

You have nothing

[past copper]

Bro, stay off my back. Literally, you always ride me and me alone whenever I think of something. That’s kinda harassment when you think about it and it should stop. Right now. I don’t want to argue, but you just keep pushing the matter. I know some stuff I say isn’t always factual, but facts start with speculation.

I’m sorry if you’re the only one who dedicates 100% of your time to Overwatch and everything to do with it while others don’t.

[valid terrace]

Taiga is just trying to figure out where your basis lies, but you generally have no grounds in canon sources and keep insisting rather than debating

[past copper]

Fine. Whatever. But you don’t see me getting on someone just because they don’t know something others do or because they have ideas. Seriously, that kinda behavior is why people say the Overwatch community is toxic to people. I didn’t believe that before, but now I’m starting to

[iron plume]

Not knowing is fine
But don't claim that you do

[past copper]

Well then by that logic, certain people shouldn’t act like they know more then everyone else. Seriously, I’m basing some of the things I say in fact. Only in possibility at best. Regardless, I don’t like getting talked down too just because of what I think. Alright?

It’s not like anything I say can be anymore right or wrong then the next guy and until Blizzard finally drops more lore, it’s not like speculation can be proven wrong. You can either be open minded or not. That’s your choice

[peak escarp]

we're just trying to control misinformation

there's a lot of it out there, including on the wiki

[past copper]

Fine

[peak escarp]

maybe it's a result of proper sources and citation being drilled into me at university

[past copper]

Fine. Whatever. Let’s just move on already

There is a forgotten character from an Overwatch comic who potentially could be one of the new heroes in Overwatch 2. Sven

He’s got history with Torbjörn and seems to be a capable engineer much like him

[peak escarp]

Sven would be interesting

and an unexpected choice

[past copper]

True. I wouldn’t be surprised if he was apart of Talon since they could use his knowledge to help their allies in Null Sector to build their armies or their ships

We haven’t seen him since Torbjörn’s comic, so that’s a blank canvas to work with for a new hero

[limpid agate]

Sven would be interesting

But I can't see him having anything to do with Null Sector

[past copper]

We really don’t have much on him other than he was a fellow engineer and friend of Torbjörn’s who was capable of turning an Omnic Titan into an even deadlier weapon.

He could be useful to Talon if they break him out of prison. He could build them bigger and better weapons

Plus, if he were a playable hero, I’d imagine he could be tank hero who uses a weaponized mech

[peak escarp]

I don't like the idea that everyone has to have a connection to Talon or Null Sector

independent characters are good too

[past copper]

Well, he kinda failed as an independent character, but that’s only because Torbjörn knew the ins and outs of the Titan and how Sven thinks. He had the advantage over his old friend

[peak escarp]

if Torbjorn was able to beat him, I don't see why Talon would have any interest in him

[past copper]

True, but Talon always finds use for someone. I don’t think it matters if they lose or not. Doomfist lost to Winston, but they put in an effort to free him from prison. Reaper… well… I’m not sure if what happened in the HQ counts as a lose

Maybe a stalemate since neither Jack or Gabriel killed each other

[peak escarp]

they freed Doomfist because he was their leader

[past copper]

True

[limpid agate]

I wouldn't say he failed as an independent charactwr

Ashe also lost to a hero, and she will never join Talon

[valid terrace]

Failure isn't a dissuasion to Doomfist

[peak escarp]

if Talon was interested then his failure wouldn't matter

[valid terrace]

As long as he can assume loyalty either by cause or vested interest that's all it takes

[peak escarp]

but I don't see what would interest Talon - engineers that worked on omnic projects can't be that rare

[limpid agate]

And Sven was a sloppy one

I like Sven, but can't see him on a team

[valid terrace]

I think if they were after an engineer, Sven would be a good choice seeing as he is already comfortable with large scale terrorism

But they haven't been seen to want any large scale machinery up to this point

That's Null Sector's schtick, Talon likes body-hacking

[past copper]

I guess you’re right. Plus, Talon kinda prefers to be in the shadows with their actions. Though, I can’t remember, but wasn’t it Talon that attack Cairo in Mercy’s short or what?

I also remember they went after the train McCree was on to try and retrieve a mysterious box, which still makes you think

Ummm. What?

[rancid egret]

@limpid agate

[past copper]

No. It was the first comic

[rancid egret]

never mind ik what you’re talking about lol

yes

[limpid agate]

Moving swiftly onwards

[rancid egret]

ty

[past copper]

Yes. I have no idea what that was about

[worthy rose]

More or less, pretty much, without Doomfist, Talon would likely fall apart. Or at the very least just be standing there like ".....now what?"

[peak escarp]

they seemed to be holding together pretty well in the 5 years Doomfist was in jail

[worn island]

who's second in comman at talon, like, who would've been calling the shots while doomfist was in jail?

[peak escarp]

they have a council

[worthy rose]

It was probably just the inner council as a whole who collaborated to hold the place together

[peak escarp]

Doomfist, Reaper, Maximilien, Sanjay Korpal and Moira O'deorain are the members we have names for

but there are other unnamed members

[worthy rose]

They all look like faceless NPCs really

No hero matireal

[peak escarp]

most of them are

[worn island]

isn't doomfist a little higher then the others?
like he has the final word?

[worthy rose]

I'm pretty he is like the head honcho so, yeah.

His goal really is a end all be all, start another Omnic crisis

[worn island]

I understand he is using the fragile relations humans have with omnics to start the war. But he doesn't actually hate omnics does he? he just sees them as a means to an end

[limpid agate]

They look like faceless NPCs because they werent given faces there, and at the time they were NPCs.

Moira is among those faceless NPCs

She was an unknown at the time

[peak escarp]

he's got the grand plan - everyone else is going along with it

[limpid agate]

You can see her in the bottom left corner at the table

[limpid agate]

The characters seated there probably all have (or had) designs at the time

[peak escarp]

Moira on the left

Sanjay in the middle

[limpid agate]

Moira's end design came out looking a little different than that too

[peak escarp]

this comic came out months before Moira was revealed

[worn island]

something about that photo makes her look very joker-esque, a gigantic smile

[limpid agate]

Yes

Some of us used to call her Joker

[peak escarp]

that's what a lot of people called her

[limpid agate]

Before we knew her name

Some after Batman's Joker because of the expression and hair, some after Persona's because of the mask and black coat

[worn island]

Moira doesn't actually heal does she? there a more dedicated medics in talon for that yes?

[worthy rose]

Oh god....Moira's face-

[limpid agate]

She does when in the field

[worthy rose]

Hope that's a mask

[worn island]

oh yeah i forgot about retribution

[worthy rose]

Moira heals, but she better at the succ

[peak escarp]

aside from that, she's more a medical researcher than a doctor/medic

she does genetic experiments

[worn island]

has mercy ever done a surgery?

[peak escarp]

yes

she's a surgeon

[worthy rose]

Probably did it alot in Switzerland

[peak escarp]

she was head surgeon of a Swiss hospital

[worn island]

I'd wager she's probably the only support to have done a surgery

depends on what you'd call moiras situation with reaper

[peak escarp]

probably

[past copper]

Not to go off topic, but I just noticed something about one of the faceless members in the pic

He looks like that Overwatch agent with the mohawk

[peak escarp]

a few people have pointed that out

this unnamed guy on the left

[worthy rose]

I mean...I kinda see it-

[peak escarp]

the woman on the right turned out to be Sojourn, so it's a strong possibility that he will be relevant too

[worn island]

what did soujourn do back then? was she still a commander or whatever its called

[limpid agate]

I speculate the crouching guy is "Bionic Pecs"

Which is a fan nickname

For this recurring design that, as of Recall, is still a canon Overwatch agent

[worthy rose]

If Gabe or Jack weren't available, Sojourn was the next best person

[past copper]

Sojourn was a Captain in Overwatch

[worn island]

did she do field work?

[peak escarp]

Sojourn seemed to take Ana's place as 2ic after Ana went MIA

[limpid agate]

Probably as much as Ana did

Post crisis at least

[worthy rose]

Likely, she ain't got that railgun for nothing

[worn island]

mmm

[past copper]

And whoever that Mohawk guy is, I wouldn’t be surprised if he was in Blackwatch and then joined Talon with Gabriel

[worthy rose]

Doesn't look like him here but.....

[worthy rose]

I can see mohawk guy here

[valid terrace]

The designs always fluctuate especially for early art like those

Even heroes we know pretty well can look strange just by changing the artist

[worthy rose]

Yeah, I remember a concept art where Moira had tentacles

[limpid agate]

Or Brig

[past copper]

True. I remember people were calling Ana Sombra because of a news paper on a map

[low sail]

annoyingly every newspaper is the same on every map

https://i.imgur.com/DpG9Wiw.jpg

speaking of unknown agents, those shown in ow2 ^ they seem way more polished, possibly new charas but probably not

[worthy rose]

The top right and bottom right heroes to me seem like early Reinhardt concepts they decided to just throw in there

Same with the bottom right picture right above the red guy, 100% an early Echo concept.... depending on when that was shown, I'm thinking these were likely meant to be Easter eggs and possibly inside jokes for them people on the OW art team. "Oh look, that concept art of Rein is in the game credited as his own character! HaHaHa!

[coarse wing]

Where do you guys get most of your lore from?

like is the wiki stuff actually all canon?

[cedar parcel]

Wait I have questions. Who was the one who took the Doomfist title before Akande again?

And is the title will always be passed down from teacher/mentor to student?

[icy temple]

Akindije Adeyemi

Doomfist the scrouge

[icy temple]

No actually

The title are used by each of doomfist

[cedar parcel]

Ahh okay okay, thank you!

Ohhh so if someone has the fist, they're automatically called as Doomfist?

I mean the arm

[icy temple]

It is

[stuck cosmos]

I think a lot of it comes from the cinematics, in game interactions, and then the comics and stories blizzard releases occasionally, plus the archives event

[icy temple]

The gauntlet of the second Doomfist actually use by nowadays doomfist, but then got replaced by the new gauntlet

[coarse wing]

ah cool thanks!

[cedar parcel]

Ahh I see now. Then the new gauntlet is the modificated version to Akande's liking now, yeah? Now I'm wondering who made all the gauntlets...

[icy temple]

Just wait until a new piece of lore come out

[cedar parcel]

Okie dokes, thank you very much again!

[icy temple]

You're welcome

[iron plume]

The first Doomfist had nothing to do with either The Scourge or the current one

and his gauntlet was basically hacked together from scrap and not the power armor kind of deal that the new one is

The second was more advanced, and Akande took it from Akindije when he defeated him, then replaced/upgraded it further

We don't know how the second one came about but the current one is presumably made with Akande's company's resources

[icy temple]

This is I say before

[iron plume]

okay?

[icy temple]

And we don't know who made these gauntlet

My wild guest would be around they scrap itself from beginning

[peak escarp]

I have a list of all the lore here https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BFYjC78shFuhpu4Fm0l99qKQznIc7lPouQaikD5YvkY/edit?usp=sharing

[icy temple]

Since moira did not involved in first and second Doomfist gauntlet development

[iron plume]

Why would Moira be involved?

She's not an engineer

[icy temple]

The third Doomfist gauntlet it's actually akande bionic arm

[iron plume]

no

[icy temple]

Some lore say he lose his right arm

[iron plume]

It's not bionic, it's a gauntlet on top of his cybernetic augmentation

Moira is not a cyberneticist

[icy temple]

Either I believe it a rumor or not

Still confusing me until today

[iron plume]

Moira had nothing to do with any of the gauntlets

[icy temple]

And yes

[mortal rock]

he lost his arm and got a cybernetic one, then put the doom fist arm on instead, it’s not that complicated

[iron plume]

Akande used to run his family's prosthetics business

We don't know for sure that's where it came from but it's a much more reasonable connection

[coarse wing]

@peak escarp oh my god! thanks so much. this is exactly like what i was looking for!

[iron plume]

It's a bit heavy for starting out though

So you could start with just the cinematics first, then comics, then the text stuff

[coarse wing]

i have quite a lot of base knowledge

i just want to build on it

[iron plume]

aight in that case yea

If you wanna dive deeper than that there's also this https://docs.google.com/document/d/1CZvZCct3Zx6qgI7P6DVIapoNyNvkuxyghD7F5Rxg-g4/edit

also courtesy of Doc

[peak escarp]

I keep a lot of lists

[mortal rock]

yeah it’s one of the most fun, if not convoluted lores to learn

[coarse wing]

thats so cool

thanks for sharing it with me!

theres so much lore to the game and i really hope ow2 builds on it

[icy temple]

From every game that I learn about its lore, overwatch it's the most complex yet diverse one

So yeah good luck mate adventuring searching the lore clue

[coarse wing]

haha thanks

[peak escarp]

it's not that complicated, you just have to know where to look

[coarse wing]

yeah

thanks for all your stuff btw

[peak escarp]

if you have any questions I'm pretty much always here

[coarse wing]

Thanks!

[balmy moat]

I’m thinking real hard about this, why doesn’t Zenyatta have lore?

[peak escarp]

he does

[balmy moat]

Like, he has only a few drops of it though

[peak escarp]

other heroes have less

[balmy moat]

Yeah you’re right, but a main thing I’m curious about is how did Mccree lose his arm?

[peak escarp]

we don't know yet

they hinted that it's "a story for another time"

[balmy moat]

Do you have any theory’s on it?

[peak escarp]

I used to think he pissed off a rival gang and lost it to them, but the Deadlock Rebels novel changed my mind on that

[balmy moat]

There is so many idea on how it could have happened

But thank you for your time<3

[drifting briar]

is there something that shows what each map was made for who? I think its cause the ethnicity from the characters but my bf thinks its bc the videos of OW, so for example widow with kings row... I think thats wrong cause her map should be paris? unless its random

[peak escarp]

the maps aren't really tied to just one hero

Widowmaker has connections to a few maps - King's Row and Ilios because of missions there, Chateau Guillard because that's her house

[drifting briar]

ohhhh

makes sense

we need new maps 😭 🤚

[peak escarp]

we'll be getting plenty with OW2

[drifting briar]

but i want them in ow 1

[peak escarp]

be patient

[drowsy juniper]

Also does anyone know who this is with soldier?

https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/1isc-KQcT25nw6IAOvnaa-UkKlw=/1400x0/filters:no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/15944836/IMG_6587__2_.jpg

[hushed cairn]

maybe young gabe?

[limpid agate]

@drowsy juniper@hushed cairn Its Vincent

[worthy rose]

Soldiers old boo thang

[limpid agate]

The word is boyfriend

From 30 years ago

[topaz ledge]

House?....

[hasty basalt]

that deathmatch castle is her home yes she bought it back from someone lorewise

[peak escarp]

the manor belonged to her family

Guillard is her maiden name

she also used Danielle Guillard as an alias when she travels

probably because Amelie Lacroix was declared dead (or would at least trigger the missing person database)

[iron plume]

I don't think that matching a name alone would be enough for that

But she probably wouldn't want to draw attention
Of course she'd draw even less if she picked a name that had nothing to do with her but that's for the drama

[past copper]

Her skin’s an unnatural blue. It would hard enough already not drawing attention

Just saying, but it probably be just me thinking that

[icy temple]

It is

[past copper]

That’s unless people who don’t know who Widowmaker is think she may have Methemoglobinemia

[icy temple]

Lack of oxygen in the blood

[past copper]

Yeah, that. But honestly, I doubt anyone would think that when first seeing her

[icy temple]

Probably they had a general knowledge and think she was paint her body

It's just my assumptions, and never mind that

[past copper]

Well, people don’t seem to question it regardless

[icy temple]

And only mercy know widowmaker has lack of oxygen in her blood

[peak escarp]

Mercy hasn't met Widowmaker

[past copper]

Yeah

I don’t think she had either

I don’t even think more than a few know who Widow is

[peak escarp]

she might have met Amelie before

since she was the wife of an Overwatch official

[past copper]

Yeah.

[peak escarp]

and she's probably heard about Talon's top sniper

but she doesn't know they're the same person

[icy temple]

How about the rescue operations back in the past???

[past copper]

I remember Ana recognizing her, which is the cause of how she lost her eye

[icy temple]

Yes

[past copper]

Tracer and Winston though don’t seem to know who she is, possibly because they never met

[peak escarp]

Mercy might have even been the one who examined her after she was "rescued" from Talon with no apparent injuries

[icy temple]

If widowmaker don't use the helmet I think it's gonna be a joke both of them are lost each eye

[peak escarp]

Two weeks later she killed Gérard in his sleep.```

[past copper]

Honestly, hearing this makes me hope there’s an archive mission to rescue Amélie.

[peak escarp]

I dont think there's any rescuing her

[past copper]

I actually thought that was what the Paris map was for when it dropped, but I was wrong. And disappointed

[peak escarp]

Her mission complete, Amélie returned to Talon, and they completed the process of turning her into a living weapon. She was given extensive training in the covert arts, and then her physiology was altered, drastically slowing her heart, which turned her skin cold and blue and numbed her ability to experience human emotion. Amélie was gone.

it would take a lot to undo what Talon did to her, and I don't think Overwatch can do it

[past copper]

I meant the team who recovered her before she killed her husband. Though, I think there could be hope to save her

[peak escarp]

we're not getting any new Archives missions

they're done telling that story

[past copper]

That’s disappointing. That was a fun event

[peak escarp]

Story Missions will be way better

[past copper]

True. But I’d like to think Seasonal Events will update new stuff again when the sequel drops

I kinda think there’s hope for Widowmaker and Reaper to be redeemed

Well, as redeemed as wanted criminals can be in Overwatch

[peak escarp]

I dont think they want to be redeemed

Hanzo wants redemption

[worthy rose]

I feel like both know, their to far gone

I don't think Reaper would be redeemed.It would be too cliche and would be a copy of Darth Vader's story

[worthy rose]

Winston needs to learn some talk no Jutsu

[limpid agate]

@worthy rose What

[limpid agate]

You can't really redeem either. You can't undo all the terrorism, assassination, and mass murder.

And that's fine

The world can always use more villains

Without any villains, there is no need for heroes

[hardy finch]

Ñ

[worthy rose]

Talk no Jutsu is a term used to describe when the hero talks the villain out of being evil, it originated from the Manga and Anime series Naruto where the main character, Naruto, did that alot

Especially in Shippuden 😒

[icy temple]

"Eternal neutrality is inner hell in every human soul"
-Dante inferno

Dante quotes already make me fear at take a decisions

[worthy rose]

Why I say, both know their beyond redemption

[past copper]

Firstly, getting off topic, don’t undermine Naruto. The message in the anime and manga is clear. Second, back on topic, I meant Widow and Reaper redeem themselves, but still have to serve time in prison for their actions.

It be more like Marvel for them

Well… Spider-Man: Homecoming with Vulture

[worthy rose]

Hey I love Naruto, don't get me wrong, OG Naruto and even Shippuden has some really well written stories an characters. And back on topic

I'm kinda thinking Reaper will die, widow going to helix or something I can get behind

Not sure if he will die.He's really hard to kill and can regenerate from almost anything

[past copper]

I don’t know about Reaper. It may very well depend on how he was convinced to join the very terrorist organization he’d spent years trying to end

[desert edge]

If widow does turn good, it's going to be her as a vigilante, basically doing what she does now

Killing people

[peak escarp]

that would be more neutral than good

[desert edge]

True, but it's not being a villain

[past copper]

So, more of an anti-hero

[desert edge]

Yeah, exactly

[past copper]

I could get behind that

I’ll take an anti-hero or anti-villain any day

I still think though it could be like certain villains in MCU. Like Vulture, Ghost, or Loki

That said, people like Doomfist and Moira for sure can’t be redeemed. They’re both too dangerous for their own good

[worthy rose]

Doomfist needs a mental asylum.

[icy temple]

Doomfist quote are basicly every single dictator stereotype that ever exist

[worthy rose]

"Order, Chaos...means to an end-"

[icy temple]

Like humanity grow stronger with conflict same as quote,it's better for half of the world burn and human will rebuild it rather than improving the already establish world

[desert edge]

Honestly, what he's doing isn't exactly entirely evil

it's bad, but you can kinda justify it

[worthy rose]

I mean yeah, humanity should always try to be better....but I draw the line at causing a massive world war where millions upon millions of innocents would die.

[desert edge]

Yeah, if he got his own way, he'd end up causing humanity to decline

[worthy rose]

Also his view of the world got stronger after the crisis isn't all true

Yeah, it's not Doom And gloom but the OW world is still a Dumbster fire

[desert edge]

I mean, it did improve if you think about it

[peak escarp]

think of all the inventions that happened out of necessity during wartime

[worthy rose]

Yeah but another Omnic Crisis just isn't what the world needs to get stronger, Omnics and Humans just end up hating each other more and wind up in an endless conflict, until they destroy themselves

[desert edge]

And don't forget Overwatch itself

It did give hope to a lot of people

[peak escarp]

https://www.history.com/news/world-war-ii-innovations

[desert edge]

Inspiring millions to do good

[worthy rose]

Yeah!, I'm not denying some good things can come from war, but it's still not a favorable thing to try and purposefully start one, with the intentions of trying to make the world stronger, ANYTHING can happen with a conflict on as large of a scale as the Omnic crisis

[icy temple]

Nuclear bomb is one of the worst inventions during WW2

[desert edge]

I think it's mostly that people get lazier outside of war time

[icy temple]

"We don't know how WW3 always start, but we always sure that WW4 gonna use stick and stone"
-Albert Einstein

[desert edge]

If you quote something, please use the actually quote

[icy temple]

This is the real quotes lol

[desert edge]

It's not?

No way his English was that broken

[icy temple]

In one of the interview Einstein said he regrets creating nuclear bomb in first place

[desert edge]

"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones"

• Einstein

That was nothing similar to what you said

[icy temple]

My English was bit broken tbh

So sorry about that

[desert edge]

Tbf, just copy paste if you're gonna quote

[peak escarp]

and it's not confirmed that Einstein ever said it

[desert edge]

Anyway, point is, Doomfist is right, even if it's wrong

[icy temple]

Every villain that has Doomfist mindset change humanity view from traditional good and bad into a different kind of perspective

Like example thanos

[worthy rose]

He's half right, conflict does and has helped humanity evolved, but where Doomfist kinda loses me is "ONLY through conflict do we evolve"

His intentions aren't bad (make humanity better) but his methods are questionable, VERY questionable (make humanity better by starting a world war)

[peak escarp]

the methods are important

[limpid agate]

I dont think anyone is disputing he is a villain

[icy temple]

I think it's around chaotic good

[limpid agate]

That's not what chaotic good means

It would be lawful evil

[desert edge]

yeah, a villain trying to do some form of good

[worthy rose]

Was Doomfist mentor, the scourge of Numbani, Related to him in anyway, Brother? Uncle? Dad?

[peak escarp]

Doomfist isn't trying to do good

he's trying to push humanity's evolution

[limpid agate]

That's not what Chaotic Good means

[desert edge]

isn't that kinda good?

[worthy rose]

So is he like Neutral Evil then?

[limpid agate]

Robin Hood is chaotic good

[worthy rose]

Idk DND alignments so forgive me

[limpid agate]

Steal from the rich, give to the poor

[peak escarp]

D&D alignments don't apply well to characters that aren't made for that system

[limpid agate]

An Overwatch equivalent would be closest to... Soldier I guess.

Doomfist is very handily in evil.

[peak escarp]

in D&D, Good and Evil are concrete, objective concepts that are the same to everyone

[past copper]

Perhaps, but I’d think Doomfist’s actions will set people back more then evolve them

[peak escarp]

that isn't the case in the real world (or in OW, which is based on the real world)

[worthy rose]

I think Doomfist doesn't think he's doing "good" per say, he's just doing what he thinks need to be done, by any means needed. Like a guy going to work everyday.

[desert edge]

Not entirely, it depends on how far Doom went

[peak escarp]

Doomfist might think what he's doing is for the good of humanity, but others will disagree with him

[past copper]

So much progress was put into trying to fix relations with humans and machines. Now Doomfist’s actions with Null Sector will set that progress back.

Maybe ruin all that hard work forever

[desert edge]

Well you'd think that but, a lot of people know that omnics are good

And when the only omnics doing damage are just outfitted war machines

It's kinda obvious that not all omnics are out there doing it

[worthy rose]

No matter what, Humanity is gonna do what they do best

Generalize

[desert edge]

That's like hating every german due to WW2, or every Brit for well, colonisation

[past copper]

In other words, push blame onto others

[worthy rose]

"If those Omnics are gonna try and kill us, whose to say THESE omnics aren't gonna try and kill us!

[past copper]

That’s exactly what Talon is hoping for. I think Doomfist might actually hate Omnics and the only exception is Max since he’s beneficial to him

[worthy rose]

Oh speaking of....does Doomfist know it was Max who ratted him out during storm rising?

[peak escarp]

most likely

Doomfist isn't stupid

[worthy rose]

True

[peak escarp]

he does give Max a very telling look in Masquerade

[worthy rose]

im just going to say, more zen lore please

Now I'm kinda thinking Doomfist is prepared to punch Max's head off in a heartbeat

[peak escarp]

Max is valuable though

even if he isn't loyal

same with Sombra

their value as an ally outweighs the risk that they'll be disloyal

[worthy rose]

Yeah, everyone has a use, and everyone eventually is no longer needed.

[past copper]

Regardless, I think the worst part is that council members of Talon will profit the most from this war. When the rubble subsides and the debris sweeps away, certain players will appear to finance off the destruction. Such as Sanjay with Vishkar

[worthy rose]

Yes.

[peak escarp]

we're guaranteed to get Zen lore in OW2 - he's part of the story

[worthy rose]

I assume OW2 will give tons of zen lore, but OW2 is going to get delayed again

I'm telling y'all!, Doomfist saw the Jjonak gameplay and went "ah shit....that monks a threat-" 😂

[past copper]

That’s still unconfirmed

[desert edge]

2077, gta v is on the ps13, and OW has yet again been delayed

[worthy rose]

Luffy will find the one piece before OW2 releases

[desert edge]

But in all seriousness, just wait for zen lore

[peak escarp]

!!shitposting

[twilit nacelle]

Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[worthy rose]

With all this Activision- Blizzard controversy it's more than likely to be delayed

[desert edge]

Pretty sure it's been said before that Zen doesn't even has the least amount of lore

[worthy rose]

Who does I wonder?, I kinda wanna say Roadhog-

[past copper]

Look, with talks about Overwatch dying before the OW2 and them not adding anything new to the game while also recently saying they’ve passed an important milestone, I highly doubt they’ll delay until 2023

[peak escarp]

Roadhog was in two comics and an animated short

[limpid agate]

Not an animated short.

That's a specific thing

It is animated, and it is a short

[peak escarp]

whatever The Plan is, then

[worthy rose]

i swear theres like no lore for pharah is there

[peak escarp]

the cinematic artbook grouped it with the in-game cinematics

Pharah had a comic

I'd consider the hero with the least amount of lore to be Sigma

[worthy rose]

theres only 1 little trailer for him

[peak escarp]

a trailer that's very abstract and doesn't actually tell us much

[worthy rose]

It's sad to, because I love Sigma

[peak escarp]

at least Wrecking Ball's trailer gave us an idea of his history

[worthy rose]

He's one of my favorite tanks to play, and his shirt is just chefs kiss

all i remember from that short is that he made a black hole and went crazy then was rescued by talon and manipulated by talon

[worthy rose]

feet 😳

[peak escarp]

that's pretty much all it tells us

[worthy rose]

He was also in a mental asylum for an unsaid amount of time

[peak escarp]

not a mental asylum

[worthy rose]

Before getting busted out by Reaper or Widow....or both possibly

[worthy rose]

That skin throws me off

[worthy rose]

i reckon doom

I don't think Doomfist would do the grunts work like that

[past copper]

I don’t mind Sigma, but I lost interest in him after they nerfed his shield

[peak escarp]

Upon returning to Earth, De Kuiper was quarantined in a secret government facility. Between his ravings about the patterns of the universe, the psychic damage he sustained, and the gravitic anomalies happening around him, he was deemed unsafe and detained for years under the name "Subject Sigma." Isolated and unable to control his powers, De Kuiper retreated into his own mind. He thought he would never see the outside world again.

[worthy rose]

Oh wow, I didn't know he was there for years

How was he able to control his powers with Talon?

[past copper]

He has a tragic backstory among most of the characters

[worthy rose]

I reckon Talons resident tech experts were willing to help him out

[past copper]

Talon probably did something, like give him tech to stabilize his mind

[worthy rose]

Or maybe Moira helped

I still wanna know what exactly the black hole did to his mind, and how that happened

Is it just me or is Hanzo neutral with OW and Talon

[past copper]

Moira works with genetics. Not mentality

[peak escarp]

in the origin story you can hear the sounds of Reaper and Widowmaker's weapons

[peak escarp]

he is

[worthy rose]

I would say he dislikes Talon, but is neutral with OW

[peak escarp]

he rejected Talon and hasn't responded to Genji's suggestion to "pick a side"

[worthy rose]

Maybe OW2 will show more

[peak escarp]

maybe

the writers did say they were struggling with what to do with Hanzo

[worthy rose]

Im sure Hanzo is going through alot, he just learned his brother, whom he thought was dead by his own hand, is alive

[worthy rose]

imo the writers will probably just chuck him in to Talon

[past copper]

Yeah, well seems they’re struggling more with the current balance of heroes from OW1 right now

[peak escarp]

there's several voice lines of Hanzo rejecting Talon

I doubt he would suddenly change his mind

[worthy rose]

And I doubt he would condone their actions, being the honorable warrior he is

Hanzo will probably stay neutral then

[peak escarp]

probably

[worthy rose]

I remember one thing I always wanted was Hanzo and Genji somehow fighting together and Hanzo wielding the Dragonblade for a bit ain't he like real good with a sword to?

[peak escarp]

that would be amazing

[worthy rose]

it definitely would

we need more Brigitte lore

I wanna know how Torb and Ingrid are blondes, and here come Brigette into the world as a brunette 😂😂

[peak escarp]

because hair genetics aren't that simple

[worthy rose]

Glad I decided to take Biology this year

[peak escarp]

they aren't even as simple as this diagram, this is just the easiest way to explain it

(aside from just saying "it's fiction, it doesn't have to work")

alternatively, Ingrid or Torb might not be natural blondes

[worthy rose]

I acknowledge that, it's just some I couldn't help but go "huh?" When I noticed it 😂

[peak escarp]

don't worry, a lot of people have thought about it

and a lot of people come to the wrong conclusion

[worthy rose]

Lemme guess

[peak escarp]

"Brigitte isn't blonde, that must mean her real father is Reinhardt!"

[worthy rose]

You know I wondered if anyone would think that, despite it making no damn sense

[peak escarp]

yes

a lot of people think that

and no, it doesn't make any sense

trust me - if there's a dumb theory, we've heard it

[worthy rose]

For one, how dare they take Rein for a home wrecker!
For two......well I mean peep the cut 😂

[desert edge]

oh, about the hanzo alignment thing

Just heard a voiceline of Hanzo telling doom to find another errand boy

[worthy rose]

What you getting at?

I do find it interesting Doomfist shows interest in recruiting Hanzo. Even Widowmaker gives it a shot, of course, game interactions aren't indictitive of lore, but still interesting

[peak escarp]

Talon also tried to recruit his father Sojiro (back when he was alive)

Sojiro rejected them

[desert edge]

Just saying that because someone brought up what side hanzo would join

[worthy rose]

Definitely hope to learn more about the Shimada Brothers upbringing in general, and what lead to Hanzo trying to kill his own Brother.

[limpid agate]

We know what lead to it

[worthy rose]

I mean Ive overhead it was something like....Genji was just a nuisance, and the Shimada clan pretty much, pressured Hanzo into doing it?, Idk the full thing, or even if anything I said was true 😅

[peak escarp]

pretty much that

after Sojiro's untimely death, the clan elders wanted Hanzo and Genji to both lead the clan, and told Hanzo to get Genji in line

Genji refused

[worthy rose]

Man, I hope OW2 explores the tramautic experience of your own brother, who you trust with your life, who you love, who you would die for......try to kill you-, and Hanzos side of things

[peak escarp]

Following the clan leader's untimely death, Genji's older brother, Hanzo, demanded that Genji take a more active role in their late father's empire. Genji refused, enraging Hanzo. The tension between the brothers built to a violent confrontation that left Genji on the verge of dying.

Upon the death of his father, the clan elders instructed Hanzo to straighten out his wayward younger brother so that he, too, might help rule the Shimada empire. When his brother refused, Hanzo was forced to kill him. This act broke Hanzo's heart and drove him to reject his father's legacy, ultimately leading him to abandon the clan and all that he had worked so hard to attain.

[worthy rose]

Also how did Genji live?, I heard Mercy found him, but that doesn't make a lick of sense to me, He's in Japan, She's in Switzerland, or somewhere else in the world-

[peak escarp]

Overwatch already had the Shimada clan under surveillance

they likely had agents on the ground who could get him to help quickly

The global security force saw Genji as a potential asset in its ongoing operations to combat the Shimada clan.

[worthy rose]

I'd be more concerned about not letting the boy meet a early death and less, a useful asset but, ok I guess

[peak escarp]

well they had already saved his life

the cyborg offer came after that

[past copper]

I kinda think the Shimada rejected technology and machines. Which would explain Hanzo’s reaction to his brother’s new life and Genji having to come to terms with what he was

The exception to this being that they’re ninja and ninja adapt in order to survive. Specifically, adapting their weapons. Such as Hanzo’s arrows or Genji’s shuriken and sword

Being an old clan that was around for many years, it make sense they chose to keep to tradition rather then change their ways.

[limpid agate]

That makes no sense at all

The Shimada clan is rife with tech

Genji's personal sword is a tech sword

Hanzo's bow is a tech bow

The dragons

They are traditional, but they are far from rejecting tech.

[desert yacht]

I know this isn’t really too lore related but I was playing deathmatch on chateau as doomfist and killed widow and he said “Knock knock”

I heard it a few more times over the course of an hour

I really wouldn’t have thought they’d make that specific of an interaction but it made me smile

i managed to isolate the voice clip without any background noise too

[peak escarp]

huh

I haven't heard that one befor

[desert yacht]

it's one of the few i hadn't heard before

[peak escarp]

probably because I never play DM

[desert yacht]

because of how specific it is

i wish the wiki was more updated on the quotes pages

there are so many that i hear and want to look up but can never find

[compact cobalt]

Chateau is widows old house right

[limpid agate]

Yes

Its her family home

She currently lives there

[compact cobalt]

Does that imply doomfist just knocked on her door and took her lmao

[limpid agate]

What

No

[nocturne fog]

it implies that he shows up to her house

which makes senes

cause they are both talom

[limpid agate]

No, it doesnt

[nocturne fog]

its just a funny thing

its not anything lore related

its just a joke cause knock knock dooms at ur door

and the lines on doom cause canonically he knows widow and her house etc.

[chrome swift]

i mean especially hanzo's side, how the fuck does he feel knowing he essentially got coerced into being against and killing his own brother and then having to live with yourself after, as well as having those same people put a target on your back too

[peak escarp]

he's got a lot of baggage

[chrome swift]

my poor assassin man

[peak escarp]

I've said it before - I want Hanzo to be the focus of the next novel

[chrome swift]

[peak escarp]

Deadlock Rebels made me like Ashe a lot

so a novel could do the same for him

[chrome swift]

im literally going to get on my hands and knees to beg blizzard for a sliver of hanzo lore

and zenyatta too tbf

[compact cobalt]

This is just a theory but is it possible that the Kanezaka hero and Hanzo meet up after dragons

[peak escarp]

right now Hanzo is . . . well, he's there

that is possible

[chrome swift]

UHH maybe

[peak escarp]

he could be one of the vigilantes protecting Kanezaka

[compact cobalt]

That could be how Hanzo gets into overwatch if he does

[chrome swift]

mb for being ignorant but Kanezaka hero?

[compact cobalt]

But I doubt he’d want to join

[chrome swift]

(i always thought itd be thru ana somehow)

[peak escarp]

there's graffiti in Hanamura that implies Hanzo is a vigilante/watches over the town

[chrome swift]

yeye i knew that, but who's kanezaka hero?

[peak escarp]

https://playoverwatch.com/en-us/news/23608156/

[compact cobalt]

can’t remember her name

There

[peak escarp]

this letter was released with the Kanezaka map

it potentially hints at one of the new heroes we'll see in OW2

maybe the woman, Asa Yamagami, who was Hanzo and Genji's swordmaster

maybe her daughter

maybe one of the vigilantes she mentions in the letter

[chrome swift]

oHHH

i see

[compact cobalt]

I think a short ranged healer with mobility and a sword sounds really cool

[chrome swift]

i was gonna say sum but forgot what it was

[peak escarp]

an older woman with a backstory that ties to Hanzo and Genji would be amazing

[chrome swift]

OH i said the Ana thing because of that voiceline where he asks her why she abandoned the assassin's art. Idk i thought maybe it had relevance

[compact cobalt]

How old would Asa be

[chrome swift]

(tru tru)

hmm

probably around Rein/Ana's age

[peak escarp]

probably 50+

if she was in her 20s/30s when she taught the brothers

[compact cobalt]

Maybe scratch the mobility if it was her

[chrome swift]

she'd have to be around 35-40 when they were boys, and theyre in their late 30s now

[compact cobalt]

That reminds me, why does Hanzo not use a sword

[peak escarp]

why would she have to be 35-40?

[chrome swift]

he gave it up after killing genji

if i remember correctly

it's in Hanamura castle and Genji's room in nepal

[chrome swift]

just a guess and rough age, however i read the rest of the letter you may be right

prolly in her like late 40s-ish

[peak escarp]

I'd like her to be older because we only have 2 female heroes over the age of 40

[chrome swift]

Ana and moira?

[peak escarp]

but 7 male heroes

yes

[chrome swift]

ah yes

yeah youre right

theyre all fairly young, having another wise and cool old lady would be v v good

[peak escarp]

on the other hand, we only have 3 male heroes under 35, and 8 female heroes (9 if you count Mei)

so some younger male heroes would be nice too

[chrome swift]

tru tru

[peak escarp]

(not counting omnics/robots and animal heroes)

[chrome swift]

ye makes sense

thats uhh

lucio, bap, and who else? genji?

[peak escarp]

Lucio, Junkrat and Genji

Baptiste is 36

[chrome swift]

sheeesh

didnt realize bap was older than junk

wild

[peak escarp]

Junkrat [25], Lucio [26], Genji [35]
vs
D.Va [19], Brigitte [23], Tracer [25], Zarya [28], Symmetra [28], Sombra [30], Mei [31*], Pharah [32], Widowmaker [33]

[chrome swift]

[31*]

[peak escarp]

she's biologically 31, but spent 9 years in stasis

so she was born 40 years ago

[chrome swift]

yeye

i just thought it was funny lmfao

[peak escarp]

it's worth mentioning because cryostasis messes with ages/dates

the two heroes we don't have official ages for are Soldier and Echo

Soldier's age in relation to Reaper was mentioned back in 2016 (he's one year younger than Reaper) but the ages given at the time don't match with what has been given more recently

[chrome swift]

well echo is probably "young" since she was made not too long ago by Liao (not sure if i got her name right)

[peak escarp]

Echo can't be older than 25 (she was made post-crisis) or younger than 6 (she was put into storage while Overwatch was still active)

age means less for robots, since they can have full maturity and knowledge right out of the factory

and their bodies don't age biologically

[chrome swift]

i mean yea theyre just AI

theyre technically thousands of years old mentally if you think about it, mfs have all of human knowledge if you make them that way LOL

[peak escarp]

all that knowledge isn't very useful if you don't have the experience to know what it means and what to do with it

like in Orisa's case

[chrome swift]

that is fair that is fair

[peak escarp]

she's newly built and has access to tons of information . . . but isn't very good at using it

[chrome swift]

[crisp hearth]

Wasn’t solider 76 canonically born in 2021

[iron plume]

we don't have proper birthdates for anyone

[chrome swift]

blizzard be like "info on our characters? what's that?"

[cosmic crest]

It's superfluous information, we don't need to know character's birthdays.

It would be nice though.

[iron plume]

They don't want to commit to an exact year overwatch happens, for whatever reason

Getting birth years would do that

[valid terrace]

Even birth days would be confusing since time isn't travelling in lore updates at the same rate it is out here

It's still been just over a year or so since Overwatch came out iirc

[chrome swift]

all im sayin is that Jesse is either a taurus or a cancer imo

[rancid egret]

that’s a weird assumption

cause he’s definitely a cowboy

[chrome swift]

my zodiac sign is cowboy

[hasty basalt]

can someone explain why i cant submit my picks even with 8hours left of time ?

[chrome swift]

Ur wha?

[rancid egret]

his picks ig

[peak escarp]

!!loreonly

[topaz ledge]

How old is zen?

[peak escarp]

20

[hasty basalt]

i clicked wrong channel my bad

[urban garnet]

Zenyatta is 20 years old?

[peak escarp]

yep

he was built post-crisis

[urban garnet]

That makes sense

Damn, just a wise 20 year old, something humans couldn't possibly possess

[peak escarp]

Zenyatta has a humorous side

it shows in some of his emotes and voice lines

[manic nova]

he´s enlightened, that makes him so wise

[worthy rose]

"Do I think?, Does a submarine swim?" That cracked me up first time I heard it

[rancid egret]

zen reminds me of monk gyatso from the last air bender

[toxic sinew]

i will not juggle

[past copper]

I can’t help thinking though, who would Zenyatta be if he walked instead of floated?

Technically, he was walking in Symmetra’s short story, but I think we all can agree we can’t see him walking

[peak escarp]

Zenyatta walks more than he floats

[past copper]

Eh, maybe. But it almost seems unnatural when you actually see it

Seriously, I remember people making a big deal out of his Halloween emote, stretch

Also, I’d just like to point this out from that gif. First, I love Genji’s new shuriken design.

Second, love the Talon Trooper in the back dropping his rifle and running away lol

[peak escarp]

he's got the right idea

[past copper]

Yup. Pretty sure that might be the same one who dropped his rifle in Recall lol

[worthy rose]

Im all for that as a reoccurring gag

[past copper]

You can’t blame the guy for choosing between fight or flight

[worthy rose]

I mean, I'd never try and fight a cybernetically enhanced ninja so yeah

[past copper]

True. As a wise man would say, this guy’s got the right idea, he wore the black pants

[valid terrace]

Brown pants

[compact cobalt]

Why are sombra and widow on the front line

[peak escarp]

because they're named characters

[past copper]

Who seem to be tasked with killing Zenyatta

[worthy rose]

Funny how they have Sombra who seems to be leading.....Blizzard knew what they were doing, the amount of times I've seen Sombra players bullying Zen players is horrific 😂

[compact cobalt]

Yeah but they’re a sniper and a assassin/hacker

[past copper]

True. Also, just noticed this, it looks like two Talon Troopers drop their weapons

[peak escarp]

there's probably some reason

we don't have any context for that scene

[past copper]

I’m starting to think Zen says something to them

[compact cobalt]

As soon as genji comes two dudes just disarm themselves

Genji is too scary ig

[past copper]

True, but it could reference to that one trooper who saw Winston rage and then… you know exactly what song to play lol

Regardless, I’d probably want to run from someone who could literally deflect my bullets too

[lyric sluice]

is sojourn the person who needs to see efi and orisa at the end of the book

[peak escarp]

that's the implication

[lyric sluice]

ya cuz orisas like : a quick "sojourn" abroad

so efi also in ow2???

also btw who is backwards salamander

who is penpelope

[peak escarp]

Penelope is a junie that belongs to Backwards Salamander

[lyric sluice]

ohhhhhh

and backwards salamander is....?

[peak escarp]

one of Efi's customers

[lyric sluice]

oh

[peak escarp]

I don't think we ever learn their real name

[lyric sluice]

so it really was a joke then

also why did sombra hack efis account

[peak escarp]

when did she do that?

[lyric sluice]

after page 220

actually i dont think its sombra

cuz its talking abt credit card info etc.

trivial matters for sombra i would assume

[peak escarp]

it looks like it's just spam

[lyric sluice]

oh

thx for checking

[past copper]

I need to read that book for Orisa. I just never got around to it because she’s not one of my focus characters in Overwatch

[valid terrace]

It's not massively relevant

If you don't care about Orisa, then it's not going to help you much

There are a few random insights into tech or history that are new

[past copper]

That still seems interesting. I kinda like though that the world of Overwatch isn’t overly futuristic though

It’s like a fine blend of modern and futuristic

[peak escarp]

it makes sense for the time period

it's only supposed to be 60 years in the future

[desert yacht]

i'm just gonna fact check this here

Overwatch Nationalities
4 Americans, 1 Canadian, 1 Haitian, 1 Mexican
1 Brazilian
1 German, 1 Dutch, 2 Swedish, 1 Swiss, 1 Irish, 1 British, 1 French
1 Korean, 2 Japanese 1 Chinese, 1 Indian, 1 Russian
2 Egyptians, 1 Nigerian, 1 Numbanian
2 Australians
2 Lunarians
Additional ethnicities include Reaper's hispanic heritage, Pharah's father being Indigenous Canadian, and hints of Roadhog having New Zealand ethnicity
It is unknown where Zenyatta, Bastion, and Echo were built, but they have ties to Nepal, Germany, and Singapore respectively

this is correct, yeah?

i'm not sure if we know for sure where bastion and zen were created so i listed their notable places of origin

[pastel dust]

This looks about right

It's very diverse when you look at it like this

[peak escarp]

Orisa is Numbanian

[desert yacht]

is numbani a country

[peak escarp]

it's located in Nigeria, but seems to be independant

[desert yacht]

alright

[peak escarp]

I disagree with the other omnics nationalities though

Bastion was dropped in the Black Forest, but we don't know where it was made

Echo wasn't Singaporean, Dr. Liao was

we don't know where Zenyatta was built either

[desert yacht]

yeah that's why i put the question marks there

i wanted to put every hero in though

[peak escarp]

and Reaper is American with hispanic heritage

I would count him under American, not Mexican

[desert yacht]

yeah

i was thinking about doing that

[peak escarp]

and 1 Native Canadian?

[desert yacht]

pharah

[peak escarp]

she's half

[desert yacht]

yeah

should i just list her as egyptian

[peak escarp]

she doesn't identify much with her First Nations heritage

everything about her is Egyptian

[desert yacht]

i think there's more of an argument for echo than the omnics

since she uses singaporean voice lines and stuff

[peak escarp]

copying someone who is Singaporean doesn't make her Singaporean

[desert yacht]

even if she wasn't specifically stated to be built there

she's definitely a weird case

gonna add another section for additional notes ig

alright

i think that's fine

should i make a note for roadhog having hints of new zealand ethnicity

[peak escarp]

if you're noting Pharah and Reaper's ethnicities, then you should include it

ethnicity and nationality aren't always the same

[worthy rose]

Overwatches diverse cast is what Initially sparked my intrest in the game, that and the character designs

[pliant sparrow]

Can omnics have different ethnic groups between them?

[worthy rose]

If you mean like different makes and models?, Yes

[cosmic crest]

I don't think you can compare a different model of omnic to an ethnic group.

[worthy rose]

Fair

[cosmic crest]

There also hasn't been any examples of omnics dividing themselves based on model or make so I think the proper answer to the question is no.

[limpid agate]

Its not comparable

[desert edge]

@sly kettle get in here

[sly kettle]

omg I'm hereee

[desert edge]

Yeah, now theory time

[sly kettle]

this might take a while to type out lmao

actually let me see if I wrote it down somewhere before I go crazy with the type

[peak escarp]

oh boy

[desert edge]

and now we wait, dr

[past copper]

Would it be stupid if Genji had an upgrade to his deflect?

Like maybe deflecting shots OR cutting right through them like he did Hanzo’s arrow

Best scene in Dragons btw

[desert edge]

Yeah, stupid to cut

And he already does deflect

[past copper]

Eh. I was kinda talking about like what Wade Wilson did from Wolverine, but I guess it would be stupid

[desert edge]

Why cut through it when he can deflect it back?

[past copper]

I just figured it help Genji if he gets surrounded. Easiest way for Genji to get killed is if he’s shot from behind. But whatever. Not every idea for Overwatch is a winner

[desert edge]

I mean, the problem is that that would 1) sound too op and 2) isn't lore

So, idk, take this to #overwatch or something

[opal bobcat]

#getadriansassonline

[pulsar marlin]

Genji lost is dick to his brother

[peak escarp]

!!shitposting @pulsar marlin

[pulsar marlin]

thats lore tho

[peak escarp]

it's not

[twilit nacelle]

@pulsar marlin Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[pulsar marlin]

Genji's lower half is robotic due to his brother brutalizing him. It's lore.

[peak escarp]

his torso is intact

we don't know what Hanzo did to him

[gilded grove]

hanzo is actually better with blade then genji from what ive heard

you can see his scars with the black watch skin

[past copper]

Honestly, it’s sometimes hard to say what parts of Genji ended up becoming cybernetic, but looking at this just reminds me of Darth Vader

[gilded grove]

ask hanzo

also im curious about the assassins

because ana was in this assassin group hanzo was in or whatever

?

like what is that

[peak escarp]

she wasn't

Ana was a sniper in the Egyptian military

Hanzo wasn't in an assassin group either - he was the heir of the Shimada ninja clan

[gilded grove]

but didn't hanzo say why do you abondon the assassins

or whatever

[past copper]

Not sure where the info on Ana is coming from. She’s never had a connection with Hanzo that we know of

[gilded grove]

this would be post ow

when she "died"

[past copper]

That’s just a voice line that could be a possibility, and even then, that doesn’t mean they know each other. Only heard of her

[peak escarp]

    Ana: I never was an assassin... I killed only because it was necessary.```

[gilded grove]

OH

oops

art

[peak escarp]

voice lines aren't canon conversations, they're what ifs

like playing with action figures

[gilded grove]

i see

[past copper]

As far as we know, Hanzo and Ana know very little if nothing about each other

[gilded grove]

it be nice if they were more cannon coversations

also dva conversation with hanzo did she mean he looked like genji?

[past copper]

The only thing I remember about a Genji interaction with D.Va was about the arcade he frequented in Hanamura

So I don’t know. Even then, I don’t think anyone in Overwatch had ever met D.Va personally

[gilded grove]

no

they know of her

obv

and most of ow keep a low profile lol

[peak escarp]

I made a web detailing the relationships between different characters and groups in Overwatch

[past copper]

I’m pretty sure it would be impossible for Genji to keep a low profile

At least in public

[peak escarp]

I should probably put "it's complicated" between Null Sector and Talon

or at least between Null Hector and Doomfist

[past copper]

I still can’t help the feeling Doomfist will betray Null Sector once they’ve outlive their purpose to him

[peak escarp]

oh probably

he wants humanity to come out on top

[gilded grove]

100%

doom only cares about his own goals

to start another war

human become stronger

blah blah blah

[past copper]

It may also be a deep seeded hatred for Omnics. After all, he did lose his arm from the Omnic Crisis, which ended his career

But that’s just me. I’d hold a grudge if my life was ruined too

[peak escarp]

that was after the crisis

we don't know Doomfist's opinion on omnics

[gilded grove]

OMG MY ARM FUCK YOU OMNICS THATS IT IM STARTING A WAR

sorry

[past copper]

I mean, I don’t think he would’ve considered starting a war

[blissful elm]

this is super interesting

thanks for making that!

[gilded grove]

there so much characters i dont know

[past copper]

If he hadn’t met the second Doomfist and continued to run his company, he probably only would’ve been racist towards Omnics, but not a member of Talon

[past copper]

That’s only a what if though and thankfully we have an interesting villain out of Doomfist

[gilded grove]

the main think that will suck if ow dies is the lore

BECAUSE its deep but vague atm

[peak escarp]

you're welcome! I have other lists and graphics too, like a list of lore sources and a timeline

[gilded grove]

and if it dies no more lore

[peak escarp]

OW isn't going to die

[gilded grove]

what do we know about anas husband?

[peak escarp]

not for a long time, anyway

[past copper]

You gotta not believe that damn 2023 rumor

[peak escarp]

his name is Sam, he's a public servant from Canada and belongs to one of the First Nations tribes of the Pacific Northwest

[past copper]

That’s has yet to be either confirmed or denied by Blizzard

[gilded grove]

i see

[gilded grove]

im just wondering how somone from canada met some one from egypt

[peak escarp]

because people can travel

[gilded grove]

right in ow bullet trains

[peak escarp]

or planes or ships

[gilded grove]

yes

ligit the trains in numban are like kings row boom wow that was quick lol

[past copper]

It may depend on the war. People may have been forced out of their homes by the Omnics, but I don’t know.

[gilded grove]

yeah

i really want to know about other meka members too

[peak escarp]

they met before the war

[gilded grove]

ah

ok

[peak escarp]

Fareeha was born 2 years before the war

[gilded grove]

oh ok

[past copper]

I kinda figured. Ana looks to be in her mid to late 20s in the spray

[peak escarp]

Pharah is 32, the war started 30 years ago

easy math

Ana would have been 28 when she was born

[past copper]

Ok, so late 20s

[worthy rose]

and he thinks she's dead

[sly kettle]

“Real life is not like the story our father told us, you were a fool to believe it so!” - 🐐

[peak escarp]

According to Deadlock Rebels, Ashe’s 18th birthday is 3 months after her high school graduation, which would put her birthday in September (making her a Virgo or Libra).

Based on the timeline between Doomfist’s jailbreak, the Masquerade comic, and Orisa’s creation (as described in The Hero of Numbani) she was built in mid April (making her an Aries or Taurus).

[feral musk]

I was surprised to learn Orisa was the youngest character

But it made sense

[lost crow]

Theory as to who will be behind the robot invasion in OW2?

I think it's bastion's bird pilot.

[past copper]

😑

[lost crow]

Or it could be Hammond.

[past copper]

😑That makes about as much sense as The Last Airbender movie

[lost crow]

You know what would make too much sense?

If Sigma was behind it...

If you read Archie comics about the whole multiverse thing.. you'll understand.

[past copper]

You know, I’m ten billion percent positive this is shitposting

[lost crow]

I get that a lot.

[past copper]

Fair warning, unwise to post that in lore.

[worthy rose]

Old boy from the end of storm rising

Just based off the way Doom was talking to him, I put my money on that mystery Omnic being the head of Null sector

[peak escarp]

this is correct

[peak escarp]

we need to learn more about that omnic

[limpid agate]

We will learn more on ow2

[compact cobalt]

He’s prob gonna be a hero

If he has plot relevance

[limpid agate]

Or a boss

[worthy rose]

Idk why but I imagine that mystery omnic using some sort of crossbow, if he is a hero

A futuristic crossbow of course

I think his appearence just gave me vibes of a forest hunter

Maybe it be an explosive crossbow, and he's pretty much a one shot wonder sniper DPS, ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[limpid agate]

You're just saying that because of the hood

[worthy rose]

And the dreads.....at least it looked like he had dreads

[limpid agate]

That makes me think of Predator

Which has a shoulder cannon

A playable Eradicator function fir examplr

[worthy rose]

Ooooh, that actually sounds kinda sick

[compact cobalt]

Honestly if they do add him as a hero I’d imagine he’d be either a 250 hp dps with an assault rifle, as there are very few assault rifles in the game right now, or a tank with some sort of mid to long range hitscan weapon

But I could see him as a big boss too

[past copper]

I honestly think he would be a hero. As to a crossbow, that probably would be cool, but I can’t see it. I’m honestly more reminded of Predator looking at him

The dreads and face insta reminded me of predator, but the hood made me think of Reaper

I’m honestly not sure what weapon I’d want to see him use. It would probably be something fitting for a leader

Why not weaponized tentacles like Doc Ock’s from Spider-Man 2. If Moira was supposed to have some in her concept design, wouldn’t Blizzard give them to a different hero instead

[worthy rose]

most likely eventually

a lot of abilities and concepts are re-used because what's the point in completely throwing away good ideas

[worthy rose]

i am looking respectfully

that one seems like it would be fairly annoying if your team doesnt react quick enough

[limpid agate]

Thats a more Payday/Left 4 Dead style enemy

Most of the specials we've had up to now were more designed like Halo/Destiny enemies

[worthy rose]

the Smoker

[limpid agate]

Yes

[worthy rose]

do we know if we will be able to get ourselves out of their grab?

[past copper]

We don’t, but it appeared to look like either an insta kill or leaving you half-health. Think they were still working on it though

[limpid agate]

Whether or not we could with the demo they showed is subject to change

The item system from Blizzcon 2019 was absent from Blizzconline for example

[worthy rose]

oh dang i hope they keep those storymode item chests, they seemed cool

[limpid agate]

I didnt like it personally.

[past copper]

I kinda did and didn’t. It reminded me too much of Fortnite

[worthy rose]

i can understand why, it just looked cool as a new thing

[past copper]

I don’t mind something like that being in Overwatch, but would it really be needed?

[iron plume]

I feel like the items were there to make up for the lack of customization with three skills

Whereas now there's whole trees

[limpid agate]

Gameplay wise, it would feel like it has the opposite impact.

They probably chose the random rarity item system to make it feel great when you get a legendary. But since its tied to just that one mission, it would instead feel bad when you get anything worse on a difficult mission. Good way to just lose the run on the spot of the chest had no shields and you had a sniper phase coming up.

Story wise, they likely would have never had any story relevance, but they dont make much sense here given the nature of the firefights

[past copper]

Eh. They may take them out of the story, but use them in Hero Missions. Seem like they would be a little more useful there anyway

[worthy rose]

I see inklings of Widow and Moira in this

More so Moira

[cosmic crest]

There is no relation.

[worthy rose]

Not lore wise, I mean it's a video game enemy and Moira is a playable hero, I meant purely appearence wise, Some parts remind me of Moira.

[cosmic crest]

She has claw-like nails similar to Moira and her figure is somewhat voluptuous like Widowmaker.

And she's purple I guess.

[worthy rose]

Lowkey, Moira got the curves, I mean look at her scientist skin 😂

[past copper]

I’ll be honest, when I saw the Puller, my mind immediately went to Lady Dimitrescu

Blizzard seems to enjoy making Overwatch girls thicc 😂

[worthy rose]

Blizzard has a type....and I can respect that 😂

[deft meteor]

Wouldn’t Wrecking Ball and D.V.A. know each other due their time at Junkertown?

[peak escarp]

DVa was never in Junkertown

[deft meteor]

What about her Junker skin that has a bit written about her time at Junkertown?

[balmy warren]

The skin and flavor text is not canon

[deft meteor]

That’s wack

[peak escarp]

it doesn't say she was in Junkertown

[iron plume]

It simply adds to the lore of Junkertown itself

[peak escarp]

not all skins are canon

[worthy rose]

Really good Dva skin btw

[cosmic crest]

It's a great one.

It might not be cannon, but a part of me wants them to make it cannon. As in write a story where D.Va goes to Junkertown.

[peak escarp]

but why would she?

and why would MEKA let her?

[lament wadi]

I could see how it could happen but it'd definitely be way out of cannon

[short eagle]

More ”alternative lore“ skins would be cool

[worthy rose]

Alternate Universes?

[limpid agate]

That doesn't make sense.

Why would she do that.

[worthy rose]

Would she even know junkertown exist?, Is the place known world wide?

[limpid agate]

Yes

[peak escarp]

Efi knew about it

it's pretty well known