Torbjorn has some form of engineering training
#lore-discussion
peak escarp
D.Va is the youngest human, at 19
she would have finished high school a few years ago
compact cobalt
Gamers don’t go to school
rancid egret
i mean she’s defending her home country from aggressive AI, i don’t think she’s much of a child anymore
hasty basalt
well what she has seen and endured for sure not
kinda surprising that shes always that humorous around people etc after being literally in a war...or still is...
but i think thats a thing to hold OW in the low age rating thing..(its already 16 here anway)
hasty basalt
D.Va is an adult.
yeah well you count as one with 18 but are you mindwise like one ? i wouldnt think so....
sly sinew
Do we ever grow up technically? Mind wise. I’ve met some very Mature 19yr olds. Some more mature than those who are 40+ but you’d think that everything going on she would be more mature mentally. Mind you Having a bubbly, outgoing personality doesn’t mean you can’t be mature when it’s needed.
hasty basalt
true true
peak escarp
she's legally an adult
mild umbra
kinda surprising that shes always that humorous around people etc after being li...
Pretty big reason she's become such a star and what not. Either she's good at keeping up a facade of optimism or she really is just that naturally bubbly
mild umbra
Yeah, she's going all MCU-Iron-Man-leading-to-the-creation-of-Ultron on Dae-Hyun(?) in Shooting Star.
rancid egret
dva is very clearly able to be serious we see it in her intro video as she goes to fight the omnics. and just thinking about it, she’s defending korea and if she was immature and reckless, she wouldn’t be the star she is and likely wouldn’t even have been allowed to be part of the defense program (idk what it’s called)
that’s what i think at least^
valid terrace
She plays the part so the people can feel safe
It wouldn't be good if they felt in danger all the time like she thinks they are
hasty basalt
Pretty big reason she's become such a star and what not. Either she's good at ke...
also i dont think blizz wants to go deep in this " how being in a war changes you" stuff for OW 
peak escarp
she's like a kpop star - cute and bubbly for the audience, but grounded and realistic in private
peak escarp
Yeah, she's going all MCU-Iron-Man-leading-to-the-creation-of-Ultron on Dae-Hyun...
what does that even mean?
mild umbra
Paranoid, fearful of threats that he can't give true form to, just that he knows the threats are OUT THERE and taking it upon himself to be the world's protector to an unhealthy extent
peak escarp
D.Va does have a bit of a hero complex
she feels like it's up to her alone to save Busan, even though she's one of a team
yeah, I see the parallel
pastel dust
Thanks for explaining because I had no idea what that meant even though I've seen the movie
frosty dawn
Mccrees peacemaker is mentioned as being created by a “legendary gunsmith” Any clue who that is? Pls ping me for answer
desert edge
Nothing on the wiki, so we don't know
limpid agate
Mccrees peacemaker is mentioned as being created by a “legendary gunsmith” Any c...
We don't know. It was not discussed in the novel either, so he received the gun sometime after joining Overwatch.
frosty dawn
by that logic, what was he using before overwatch?
rancid egret
something else
limpid agate
I didn't update the wiki for stuff from the novel, unless someone else did
But nothing special
Rifles, revolvers, whatever he could get his hands on
worthy rose
Y’all think mercy and genji gonna start dating on Ow2
iron plume
I think it's unlikely they'll confirm it
peak escarp
it's the only romantic relationship between heroes that has a chance of happening
crisp hearth
I don’t understand how mercy will date a cyborg lol
peak escarp
why not?
pastel dust
Man, I don't want to continue this line of conversation that much, but I thought I heard somewhere that Genji still has his junk, so it's possible.
I don't think they would do that though if I'd be honest
worthy rose
They can’t have kids
He might still have his pp idk
peak escarp
also, Tracer and Emily can't have kids, that doesn't stop them
worthy rose
Yeah
pastel dust
exactly
worthy rose
Search it up if y’all wanna know
pastel dust
I was just saying it's probably possible genetically, but they as people just don't seem the type to do that
worthy rose
His pp maybe didn’t go ded
worthy rose
I was just saying it's probably possible genetically, but they as people just do...
What wouldn’t they do
@pastel dust what do u mean
pastel dust
I dunno, they just don't strike me as the type of couple to do that
Ignore me tho cause I literally have never had a romantic relationship in my life so I've got no experience
pastel dust
I was just thinking one's a doctor, who is probably super busy even when she's not saving the world and Genji would have to basically keep in charge
worthy rose
I mean they have break I’m pretty sure
pastel dust
Like doctor work stupid long shifts so it's probably difficult to build a family from that
worthy rose
Tru tru
peak escarp
plenty of doctors manage to balance work and personal lives
worthy rose
I mean she gets to choose her shifts right
Since she works for herself outside of overwatch
worthy rose
And also if there no missions at the time
pastel dust
But I imagine it would be more difficult to do than other people
worthy rose
Yeah
pastel dust
possible but hectic
worthy rose
Yes
But I would like to see it happen in overwatch 2 the both of them together would be nice
peak escarp
the devs hinted that they would have special dialogue together
worthy rose
Yeah
They have the valentine voicelone
And when mercy heals genji or rez there are custom voice lines to
pastel dust
I didn't know they had a valentine voiceline
worthy rose
They did
For valentine mercy got genji Swiss chocolate I’m pretty sure
And they shared it
And then genji got her some
pastel dust
I've never shipped characters in any fandom ever my whole life until now
I never even knew I could do that but here I am
How have I missed this
peak escarp
they're very rare lines - they only play on Hanamura on Feb 14 (Valentines) and March 13 (White Day)
pastel dust
No wonder I've never heard them
peak escarp
there's also lines for Tanabata (a Japanese holiday celebrating star-crossed lovers)
worthy rose
I love the voice lines
pastel dust
There's no way the Overwatch team made all those voicelines to not have that become a thing in OW2
worthy rose
Exactly
pastel dust
If it was a little joke with the "I need healing!" meme they wouldn't have made it so damn cute and had more than one
worthy rose
Ong
Also some of the comics hint to them
If u have comics and voicelines ain’t no way
pastel dust
Oh yeah the comics
worthy rose
They not gonna be put together
pastel dust
There was a thing where they write letters to each other
worthy rose
Did y’all see those fanmade skins on twitter for summer shark genji and lifeguard mercy
They said they gonna add them next year
peak escarp
They said they gonna add them next year
where was this?
peak escarp
was it Naeri
worthy rose
Yeah
peak escarp
worthy rose
That one
peak escarp
Naeri makes stuff up all the time
pastel dust
I've only seen the Mercy Lifeguard one
worthy rose
I’ll send link
pastel dust
Thanks
pastel dust
Yeah
worthy rose
Imagine the voicelines
I’m just imagining
All the cute and funny things lol
I might sleep soon
scarlet apex
Not exactly lore-related but does Genji say 'Ryuujin no ken wo kurae' or Ryuujin no ken o kurae' when he ults?
desert edge
He says "Ryūjin no ken wo kūrae" or "The dragon becomes me."
lethal condor
Yet hanzo dragon ult demolishes genji in 2cp
peak escarp
technically both are correct
the particle を marks the object of a phrase and can be pronounced "o" or "wo", depending on accent/dialect
to me it sounds like he's saying "wo"
analog ridge
is mercy and genji love eathjpother
rancid egret
lol
peak escarp
why are so many people obsessed with their relationship?
cosmic crest
People like romance, and there aren't really any other romantic relationships between heroes.
desert edge
There is, but not between two playable characters that are fan favourites
Hell, Reyes wife is even unnamed
Even then, all the relationships are mostly in the past
But here is Genji and Mercy, both fan favourite playable characters that are just starting off their love
cosmic crest
I did say between heroes.
compact cobalt
I remember reading that he does actually have his junk in a pcgames article
peak escarp
during an interview, a Thai gaming magazine asked if Genji could still use the toilet and Chu answered yes
his genitals were never mentioned
crisp hearth
he's missing his legs
Genji has no legs?
peak escarp
you can tell from his Blackwatch skin that his legs are cybernetic from the knees down
hollow trout
Are genji knees lore or have i missed somthing
is genji becoming Darth Vader
WTF
insane plot twist
peak escarp
what I think happened is that Hanzo paralyzed Genji by cutting through his spine, then when Overwatch offered to help him walk again they gave him the full cyborg package
hollow trout
what I think happened is that Hanzo paralyzed Genji by cutting through his spine...
So plot twist again "overwatch" is palpatine and "hanzo" is Obi wan kenobi this is super sick
peak escarp
what
peak escarp
how is that a plot twist
pastel dust
I've seen Star Wars and I'm confused
peak escarp
we already knew this
it's in their bios
Hanzo believed that he had killed his brother, but Genji was rescued by Overwatch and the intervention of Dr. Angela Ziegler. The global security force saw Genji as a potential asset in its ongoing operations to combat the Shimada clan. As Genji's injuries left him clinging to life, Overwatch offered to rebuild his body in exchange for his help. He was put through an extensive process of cyberization, which enhanced his natural speed and agility and augmented his superlative ninja skills. Transformed into a living weapon, Genji single-mindedly set about the task of dismantling his family's criminal empire.
hollow trout
I've seen Star Wars and I'm confused
Episode 3 Obi wan(hanzo) defeats Anakin(genji). Anakin berly suvives and gets saved py palpatine(overwatch)
pastel dust
Genji defeats Genji? I'm even more confused now
Oh ok Hanzo
That makes more sense
I get it now
low sail
hollow trout
Genji defeats Genji? I'm even more confused now
So from what i know thanos should be showing up in the next cinematic
low sail
a lot of people think the typical slash across the middle of the body as you see done with katana would be the most feasible option, leaving his upper torso, one arm, and head in tact but...
uh, well... guess they're called the "important bits" for a reason
pastel dust
They're pretty important to say the least
peak escarp
why is everyone obsessed with Genji's penis?
hollow trout
why is everyone obsessed with Genji's penis?
if he has that ass you know he is packing
pastel dust
It's the Overwatch fandom
low sail
ppl love a mystery. schrodinger's balls
pastel dust
pfff
limpid agate
Here's a topic that isn't related to Genji's reproductive system
What settings or locations have a reasonable chance to be announced for Overwatch 2?
Such as Singapore
worthy rose
Wattttt
blissful elm
That we haven’t already seen? I’m not sure tbh
blissful elm
Singapore would be cool
worthy rose
Ok
limpid agate
I very intentionally derailed it to a different topic for a reason.
limpid agate
!!shitposting
twilit nacelleBOT
Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
blissful elm
I think a seaport location somewhere in the persian gulf would be interesting
Idk how it would play out + connect with the lore tho
limpid agate
The closest we have is Oasis in the middle of Iraq
blissful elm
Yeah
rose olive
In the short where winston recalls the heros, he has a picture of reaper, and looks fondly, as if reaper was a teammate, but in all the shorts reaper is fighting Winston, some lore person pls explain
limpid agate
@rose olive Gabriel Reyes was a high ranking member of Overwatch
Gabriel Reyes became Reaper
They used to be allies
rose olive
Ok
scarlet apex
the particle を marks the object of a phrase and can be pronounced "o" or "wo", d...
thanks
scarlet apex
the particle を marks the object of a phrase and can be pronounced "o" or "wo", d...
But what about the 喰らえ in 龍神の剣を喰らえ? When I plug it into a translator it tells me it's 'kurae', but @desert edge and a couple other sites say it's 'kūrae'.
peak escarp
kurae (with a short u vowel) should be correct
the verb is 喰う(kuu), meaning to eat
but it's in the informal potential form, which makes it 喰らえ (kurae)
(I'm not an expert, I just studied Japanese in college)
peak escarp
the game translates it as "Let the dragon consume my enemies" but I think "The dragon will consume my enemies" would be more accurate
scarlet apex
the game translates it as "Let the dragon consume my enemies" but I think "The d...
bro that's Hanzo
peak escarp
their lines are so similar
okay, the game translates Genji's as "Take the blade of the dragon god"
scarlet apex
yeah
peak escarp
it should be "the sword of the dragon god devours"
also there's a file in the game where Genji says Hanzo's ult line, probably for when he deflects it
which imo sounds better than Hanzo's version, since Gaku Space is a native Japanese speaker
both ult lines talk about the dragon/dragon god eating their enemies
low sail
Ok
reyes headed overwatch until they went publick and jack morrison became the head of it. reyes felt jilted then abt a decade later he and jack morrison came to a head, resulting in both of their supposed deaths in an explosion. feeling like overwatch left him for dead after years of not giving him credit, festering inside the dead man that talon had found
i got re-woken up and grammar is not my strong suit, but it's more than just allies to enemies
low sail
both ult lines talk about the dragon/dragon god eating their enemies
speaking of both ults from hanzo/ genji, genji only has one dragon whie hanzo has two, even in cinematic. speculators thought it was bc hanzo has body and spirit while genji only has spirit, which is kinda interesting when you get into "genji's onlya cyborg from the knee down" and why I think standing by "genji is half a torso, an arm, and a head" would narratively be a good place to stick to for the whole "genji truly is missing something" beyond his shins
grand wedge
reyes headed overwatch until they went publick and jack morrison became the head...
The jealousy concept that changed a bit ever since they developed the lore : people thought Reyes was mad about Jack having the promotion, but actually his leadership wasn't suited to be the face of Overwatch and he knew it. They worked together just fine, with him leading Blackwatch, until Rialto when Reyes went rogue and Overwatch started to face charges of corruption and the likes.
Morrison led Overwatch for about 20 years
low sail
That nuance is important and cool to know
I'd love to know how much time between Rialto and the Swiss HQ explosion
(if u know/it's even lore)
grand wedge
I'd say... about 2 years, because the explosion happened few months after Storm Rising (there is 2 years between Storm RIsing and Retribution) (when Reyes and Morrison were arguing a lot after Ana's death)
(Doctor will correct me if I'm wrong ^^)
candid topaz
hi
i have question
is sombra , alejandra from the overwatch shorts. the little girl soldier 76 saved
candid topaz
im sorry but they sound similar
and i asked a friend to see the pitches in their voices and if u increase alejandra voice as she goes thorough adolesence then she sound like sombra
we neve know is alejandra is adopted or not
iron plume
We see Sombra and Alejandra both in Searching
And even that aside, Hero is set in the present day. So Alejandra is currently a child, while Sombra is 30
cosmic crest
im sorry but they sound similar
If by sound similar you mean they are both Mexican then yes, I suppose they do.
candid topaz
If by sound similar you mean they are both Mexican then yes, I suppose they do.
ig so
cedar parcel
I'd say... about 2 years, because the explosion happened few months after Storm ...
It feels too short if it was only 2 years tho. Wasnt it like 5 years or somethin?
limpid agate
Storm Rising was 6 years ago
Retribution was 8 years ago
The Swiss HQ explosion was also 6 years ago
peak escarp
yep
peak escarp
some time in the late 2070s
many people say 2076, but that's just a guess
@worthy rose
median drift
bruh no wonder genji always needed healing he always used to go walking around throwing shurikens completely naked in the battlefield lmao
pastel dust
His fighting style may have been different then, but I get where you're coming from
median drift
Nah I know how he didn't actually needed healing
He's a ninja so he needs to be stealthy and completely unnoticeable
Plus if someone does see em' then he's quick on his feet
pastel dust
Yeah
median drift
That's what I like about em : P
pastel dust
Maybe not superhuman then but trained ninjas are still quick on their feet
pastel dust
No I mean before the cyborg thing
pastel dust
Now that he's superhuman now his skills are even better
pastel dust
Very
The fact that he had gotten the max scores on all the arcades shows just how much
pastel dust
Yeah lol\
median drift
He's kind of like a newer generation type of guy
pastel dust
I don't think that's fully canon since it's only a voiceline in game but I can imagine if D.va found that arcade she would do just that
median drift
Well dva's a tryhard gamer so
pastel dust
Defenetly
worn island
Im pretty sure he's at his worst mentally during that time, but yes very cool lookin
fluid sierra
genji is my favorite character in the lore and in game i cant wait for more genji lore
worthy rose
btw what parts of genji are robotic?
worthy rose
wtf did hanzo do to him?
lol
His legs are missing, he lost an arm, many parts of his torso and much of his head
peak escarp
I don't think all of his injuries/missing limbs are from his fight with Hanzo
some of them could have been voluntarily given up as part of the cyberization process
worthy rose
seems a bit unnecessary to me, since other characters are just wearing boots and such
limpid agate
He was unable to walk
That doesn't mean that Hanzo cut off his legs
But it could mean he severed his spine, broke his legs beyond repair, left him burning, etc etc.
peak escarp
seems a bit unnecessary to me, since other characters are just wearing boots and...
other characters weren't turned into a living weapon
Hanzo believed that he had killed his brother, but Genji was rescued by Overwatch and the intervention of Dr. Angela Ziegler. The global security force saw Genji as a potential asset in its ongoing operations to combat the Shimada clan. As Genji's injuries left him clinging to life, Overwatch offered to rebuild his body in exchange for his help. He was put through an extensive process of cyberization, which enhanced his natural speed and agility and augmented his superlative ninja skills. Transformed into a living weapon, Genji single-mindedly set about the task of dismantling his family's criminal empire.
covert echo
Were the people Hanzo fights to get to the castle in Dragons the Hashimoto clan?
limpid agate
Probably
urban garnet
I wonder when sound quake and that hazmat guy are going to be in the game
Sound quake sounds cool
iron plume
Soundquake is pretty unlikely to happen
at least in the form we've seen him in
Because that concept art has been picked apart for various other heroes
Mostly Reinhardt and Orisa
urban garnet
I wonder what hazmat suit dude might do
limpid agate
@iron plume That was Wildebeest
Not Soundquake
@urban garnet
The big red robot is Wildebeest
Soundquake is just a name that has chest missiles
The big red robot had aspects given to Rein, Brig, and Orisa
restive flower
@peak escarp do u have the artbook yet
restive flower
ye
urban garnet
The big red robot had aspects given to Rein, Brig, and Orisa
Ah so that red armor guy on dva computer is wildebeest
restive flower
ok after ur done, could u compile a list of interesting reveals and tidbits from the book
peak escarp
a fabric store
timid knot
Nice.
finite urchin
I wonder when sound quake and that hazmat guy are going to be in the game
soundquake actually kinda is
the null sector behemoth
resembles him a lot
finite urchin
I wonder what hazmat suit dude might do
well
he looks like he holds a flamethrower
but tbh i can't see a flamethrower getting added to the game when it's already hard to kill a strafing brigitte
think about it like mei but with 120 dps
urban garnet
Yeah, ashes tnt is already annoying to get it by, I'm glad their going to change meis primary to only slow you down and not freeze you
peak escarp
a lot of early concepts got recycled into other heroes
the idea behind jetpack cat (small cute animal piloting a mech) got turned into Wrecking Ball
fair trellis
but tbh i can't see a flamethrower getting added to the game when it's already h...
Moira is basically a flamethrower
cosmic crest
Not really.
mild umbra
Imagine if Moira's cone of succ hit multiple targets. Jeez.
cosmic crest
Still nothing like a flamethrower.
limpid agate
Ah so that red armor guy on dva computer is wildebeest
On D.Va's computer?
No, that's a different character entirely
That is a fictional character from the game that D.Va played professionally
Mecha Guardian V
This is Wildebeest
Also seen here
finite urchin
Moira is basically a flamethrower
a lot of characters have flamethrower-esque weapons
but none of them deal much damage.
fair trellis
Not really.
Her primary fire acts exactly like one
finite urchin
Her primary fire acts exactly like one
it's not splash damage
fair trellis
It’s splash healing
finite urchin
ohhh
fair trellis
And even looks yellow
finite urchin
i thought you were talking about her succ
well yeah that's a flamethrower
but it's not a weapon
soooo
fair trellis
The next closest thing is Mei’s primary fire
finite urchin
Yeah, ashes tnt is already annoying to get it by, I'm glad their going to change...
yeah they're only going to keep the freezing for her ult
fair trellis
It’s an icethrower
finite urchin
though...i wonder what they will do for the pve
finite urchin
It’s an icethrower
I just told you, there isn't a flamethrower in the game that deals meaningful damage
fair trellis
Ok
finite urchin
yeah
iron plume
This has strayed off the lore subject
finite urchin
This has strayed off the lore subject
No u
limpid agate
Moving swiftly onwards.
past copper
Well, I don’t know where to start a conversation other then I hope I’m not the only one who wants Overwatch to include the First Omnic Crisis in OW2
It’s an important part of Overwatch lore since it is what brought Overwatch together in the first place and I would just love to know more about what happened during the war
peak escarp
I want them to cover the First Omnic Crisis, but I don't think they will in OW2, since that seems to be focused on moving the story forward
instead I hope they'll do it in novels/shorts/comics outside the game
past copper
Well, I mean they might make it like an archive event or something like that.
I don’t know who you would play as, but considering things, it may be between Jack, Gabriel, Ana, Torbjörn, and Reinhardt since they’re basically the veterans from the Overwatch Omnic Crisis.
peak escarp
Reinhardt was the only one of them who would have the same kit/abilities during the omnic crisis
Torbjorn hadn't lost his arm yet, Ana was just a sniper, Reyes had no wraith powers, Jack didn't have his pulse rifle
so a playable mission is unlikely
scarlet apex
I want them to cover the First Omnic Crisis, but I don't think they will in OW2,...
I remember hearing that there supposed to be a movie for it
past copper
I don’t know about a movie, but I heard Netflix was supposed to be involved in a series
peak escarp
there was a graphic novel supposed to release November 2016
scarlet apex
Torbjorn hadn't lost his arm yet, Ana was just a sniper, Reyes had no wraith pow...
wdym Jack wouldn't have a pulse rifle
it's a gun isn't it
unless it was specifically modified by him
peak escarp
wdym Jack wouldn't have a pulse rifle
a gun that he stole from Watchpoint Grand Mesa after Overwatch fell
scarlet apex
because he had the tac visor in his cinematic
past copper
I recall Jack broke into a government closed Overwatch base and stole a pulse rifle
scarlet apex
a gun that he stole from Watchpoint Grand Mesa after Overwatch fell
ah so it's an experimental gun
I see
peak escarp
yes
scarlet apex
where tf does he get the ammunition then
past copper
Well, the lore in the 2016 release is a bit all over the place, but it’s slowly come together
peak escarp
exactly
when they figured out what they wanted to do, they realized that First Strike wasn't the way they wanted to tell the story
for example, Reinhardt was way too old
he should look like this
past copper
After all, in the release of the lore, Tracer, Genji, Winston, and Pharah are in the first cinematic, but as the lore grew, they changed it to make the characters fit. Tracer, Genji, and Winston never participated in the First Omnic Crisis and the war took place at least 2-3 years ago before they joined
peak escarp
the omnic crisis took place ~10-15 years before they joined
past copper
Pharah was also a child or teenager at the time Overwatch was still active and before her mother “died”
peak escarp
Pharah was 26 when her mother "died"
past copper
Well, the First Omnic Crisis was 10 years. Overwatch remained active for 10 years after. And 6 years later Overwatch was shut down and recalled later by Winston.
I think that’s right
peak escarp
Overwatch was active for 20 years after the crisis
desert edge
I feel bad for you man
peak escarp
the crisis happened 30 years before "present day"
desert edge
I think it's better you just shhh at this point
past copper
I don’t know and I honestly don’t think anyone has a clear idea how long Overwatch was active after the war. People keep changing the lore and the lore keeps changing with each new hero
peak escarp
in Soldier's origin trailer he says "I led Overwatch for 20 years"
the lore doesn't change that much
past copper
Sigma for example literally just came out of the blue and Blizzard had to change up the lore to add him
peak escarp
they didn't have to change much, just add him in
past copper
Well, I’m looking at this timeline based on things like the Archive Events and character ages. Tracer for example is 26 currently while Reinhardt is 60
peak escarp
there were some unused threads that were available to use, like the Lucheng Space Station failure
past copper
Hard to pin down Rein’s age in Honor and Glory, but I’m thinking he was in his late 20s
peak escarp
if he's 61 now, then he would have been ~31 in Honor and Glory
Blizzard's art style makes everyone look younger than they should
past copper
I’m not exactly sure what the recruitment is in Overwatch, but it’s tough to pin down the characters in the timeline when they joined Overwatch. Tracer probably would’ve had to be 18 at the most to have flown the experimental jet and then join Overwatch after Winston saved her. As we can see in Uprising, she was a new recruit who went on her first mission for the team
past copper
There’s also Genji and McCree, who joined in different times with Genji somehow being saved by Angela, which I think we’ll learn more about in Overwatch 2 or possibly a new novel.
McCree was apart of a criminal gang until his run in with Gabriel, who gave him the option to either join Overwatch and be a hero or spend the rest of his life in prison. I’m curious to know more on that master student relationship
peak escarp
McCree was about 17 when he got recruited - I think Reyes had a large role as his mentor and I'd love to see it covered in a novel or comic
past copper
Well, what set McCree and Lena apart is that he had more experience while she was trained as pilot. They got recruited into separate branches of the group, but we’re both young. I think Genji was too, but how Hanzo managed to injury so severely that led to Mercy somehow showing up and saving him is curious.
peak escarp
I believe Genji was about 23 when Overwatch saved his life
I'd love to see Genji and Hanzo's fight get covered, but there is the issue of keeping it rated Teen, so they can't go into too much detail
past copper
Only way I can think of is that Hanzo and Genji fought within the city with Genji being left for dead all while Overwatch was watching to try and deal with the Shimada Clan and they rescued Genji while Hanzo abandoned his sword and family
peak escarp
pretty much
Overwatch was already keeping surveillance on the Shimada clan before their fight - they probably had moles on the ground who were able to get Genji to help before it was too late
past copper
True. I’m just curious to know what Hanzo did to force them to turn Genji into Darth Vader
peak escarp
rough timeline of the last 15 years:
-15: Mercy joins Overwatch
-12: Hanzo almost kills Genji, Genji is saved by Overwatch
-9: Ecopoint Antarctica is hit by a polar storm, Mei's team goes into cryostasis
-8: Retribution/Slipstream incident
-7: Uprising
-6: Storm Rising/Ana goes MIA/Jack and Gabe fight and blow up the HQ
-5: Overwatch disbanded
0: Recall
+1: Zero Hour
past copper
Regardless though, I’m sure some things will be covered in Overwatch 2. They did mention that not all heroes will be in the story, but that makes you wonder who are the ones who didn’t make the cut
peak escarp
my guess are Hanzo, Ashe, Sigma, Junkrat, Roadhog and Wrecking Ball
past copper
Obviously Junkrat, Roadhog, and Wrecking Ball since Null Sector and Talon isn’t their problem given they have no affliction with anyone.
Hanzo is a mystery. He holds no loyalty to anyone anymore, but he did just learn that not only is his brother alive, but that he wants him to join Overwatch. (Strongly hinted in Dragons).
Ashe has no concern for the war nor any loyalties to anyone but her gang. So she’s out.
Sigma is apart of Talon. I’d imagine he will be in the story, but will be teamed up with someone to keep him under Talon’s control. Possibly Moira or Reaper
peak escarp
Sigma is also kept out of sight in a lab and is lied to about where his research goes
I don't think they use him in the field at all
past copper
Well, given what he can do, I’d imagine he would be like a last resort type thing. But, they might also do as I said. We see Widowmaker and Sombra leading Talon Troopers to, what appears to be, an attempt to assassinate Zenyatta.
So, maybe Talon will have teams lead by two leaders in an effort to get the job done. No doubt as a sign that Reaper’s failure in Gibraltar was a wake up call and what happened in Russia with Widow, Reaper, and Sombra is a prime example
desert yacht
Reinhardt was the only one of them who would have the same kit/abilities during ...
winston bubble storm rising
peak escarp
what about it?
desert yacht
doesn't look like they put too much thought into canon
peak escarp
it was never said that the shield generator he was working on in Recall was his first attempt at it - it might have been a new/improved version of it
desert yacht
reaper
peak escarp
?
desert yacht
100% not fully
limpid agate
winston bubble storm rising
What are you trying to suggest here
That laser blew threw the drop ship
Bubble wouldn't have done shit
Gameplay != Lore
desert yacht
??
peak escarp
they were trying to say that Winston having his shield in the Storm Rising mission was an anachronism
past copper
He’s trying to say Winston shouldn’t have had bubble in Storm Rising if he was working on it in Recall
peak escarp
since everyone believes that Winston didn't build the shield generator until Recall
limpid agate
I misread the context, thought you said Zero Hour, but it still stands that Gameplay != Lore
peak escarp
but it was never said that the one in Recall was his first version
desert yacht
we were talking about lore abilities
and missions not being possible because of them
limpid agate
Ok, and
desert yacht
reaper wouldn't have full wraith powers in retribution
past copper
So, characters with current abilities wouldn’t have them in a First Omnic Crisis event
peak escarp
like I said, not the same version
he could be working on version 5 in Recall for all we know
past copper
Well, it is possible Winston was working on a new shield. A stronger one that wasn’t ready yet in Recall
peak escarp
new versions of things aren't always immediately successful
desert yacht
not even a year later
peak escarp
that's why there's QA
desert yacht
for zero hour
past copper
Quick question. How long did it take Tony to build ALL of his Iron Man suits? I doubt they were a success from the start
desert yacht
never an opportunity?
i don't think it's fair to say that the overwatch team won't make missions if the abilities aren't canon
it's a massive stretch to say that winston had his barrier in storm rising
in canon
if 5-6 years later it's still awful
it was awful in the tracer comics
peak escarp
it worked as a shield
desert yacht
also i don't think reyes would have full wraith powers
past copper
My point being, science doesn’t work from the beginning. It took Tracer and Genji training to get used to their new bodies. All with the help of Mercy and Winston
peak escarp
it did its job
desert yacht
you're telling me that reyes 8 years ago can still death blossom
past copper
Plus, if you read Tracer’s recent comic series, you’d see Winston was busy helping out his friend with her tech by finding parts for her and mailing them to her
desert yacht
also in OW2 i wouldn't be surprised if they reworked kits
different hero paths and stuff
to fit a bit more
torb would just need his ult reworked i guess
reyes would be weird
same with ana
but i don't think they care too much about the lore abilities
as long as they get to do story stuff
peak escarp
you're telling me that reyes 8 years ago can still death blossom
that's the implication, yes
we know Moira was working on him back then
past copper
Look at it from this way. Ana doesn’t need a kit change. In 5v5 she will be vital to heal from a distance and her Nano will be more important to tanks
desert yacht
i would assume that reyes would only acquire the full potential of his abilities after switzerland
after moira saves his life
the life steal seemes probably for retribution
but not much else
peak escarp
we don't know enough detail about his condition or what happened in Switzerland to say for sure
past copper
I’d say we need a battle in the HQ. We may get a flashback in the story modes.
peak escarp
we know he could turn into a wraith before Switzerland
past copper
Also, I don’t think Jack and Ana will be in the story, but don’t hold me on that. Because they want their friends and family to believe they’re dead. The only one who knows they’re alive is Mercy.
Reaper also knows and more then likely all of Talon knows now too
limpid agate
Mercy has no reason to not tell everyone
She probably will off screen
For what heroes will be in OW2's story, who won't be, and who I personally speculate will be absent or featured:
Confirmed - Baptiste, Bastion, Brigitte, D.Va, Doomfist, Echo, Genji, Lucio, McCree, Mei, Mercy, Orisa, Pharah, Reinhardt, Sojourn, Sombra, Torbjorn, Tracer, Widowmaker, Winston, Zarya, Zenyatta
Likely - Hanzo, Moira, Reaper
Unlikely - Ana, Ashe, Roadhog, Sigma, Soldier 76, Symmetra, Hammond
Deconfirmed - Junkrat```oh yeah I forgot the Old Soldiers
yeah, I don't expect them in playable missions, but I hope we see more of their story outside the game
past copper
Well, she probably wouldn’t because Pharah would be hurt and pissed at her mother for “abandoning” her. Yet, I think they’re about even since obviously Pharah will join Overwatch, something Ana didn’t want
past copper
Jack though has done terrible things. Becoming a vigilante hunting down anyone and everyone who blames for Overwatch being destroyed. He’s basically unstable
peak escarp
“I could barely manage carrying you, and you want me to bring all this?” Ana said. “It’s well-hidden. It will just wait here until I can find a proper caretaker.”
“Fareeha?” Jack guessed. “You talked to her?”
“I… left her a message,” Ana said.
“You’re sure you can leave things like this? It could be a long time before you see her again.”
If ever.
Ana sighed. “She never responded to my first letter.”
Jack winced. “She’ll come around in time. She loves you. Did you tell Sam anything?”
“I will, eventually. Maybe,” Ana said. “I made a big enough mess of his life without having to give him the
news. None of us are very good at saying goodbye, are we?”```there's no reason for Mercy to withhold that information from the rest of Overwatch - it's not like Jack and Ana asked her not to tell them, and it's probably a good idea to let them know the identity of the masked mercenary that's hunting down ex-Overwatch agents
limpid agate
Well, she probably wouldn’t because Pharah would be hurt and pissed at her mothe...
2 problems with this
past copper
Well, I’m more then sure she’d tel them about Reaper. A former member with information on Overwatch and their secrets
limpid agate
1 - Pharah isn't part of Overwatch at the time Mercy joins
past copper
Bro. Are you even reading before this? Pharah and Mercy in OW2.
past copper
Bro. Really? I didn’t say when Mercy joins. I said in OW2. Pharah will JOIN Overwatch in OW2
limpid agate
Yes.
Pharah isn't part of Overwatch at the time Mercy joins.
So why would she not just tell everyone?
past copper
You are not reading. I never said Pharah is apart of Overwatch before OW2. Mercy was a member of the first Overwatch well before Pharah ever joins and even then, Pharah doesn’t join Overwatch until OW2.
What is so hard to understand what I’m saying
limpid agate
No one is talking about the first Overwatch
peak escarp
Well, she probably wouldn’t because Pharah would be hurt and pissed at her mother for “abandoning” her.
limpid agate
peak escarp
you implied that Mercy wouldn't tell Overwatch about Ana because of Pharah
limpid agate
Pharah isn't part of Overwatch at the time Mercy joins it
peak escarp
but Pharah wouldn't be there yet, so why would that stop her?
limpid agate
Its members are:
- Winston
- Tracer
- Mei
- Genji
- Rein
- Brig
- Echo
- Mercy
The statement explains itself. Pharah isn't part of Overwatch at the time Mercy joins it. So how would that possibly stop Mercy from explaining the simple fact that dead people arent dead
And I haven't even gotten to problem 2. This is still problem 1
past copper
Because, as someone pointed out, Pharah hasn’t spoken to her mother in years after Ana disappeared. Mercy is the only one in their group who actually knows Ana and Jack are both alive, but wouldn’t want to bring it up for various reasons. Not until the time is right.
peak escarp
also Pharah already knows her mother is alive
peak escarp
because of the letters Ana left her
limpid agate
Shes on a different continent
past copper
Pharah doesn’t want to talk to her mother and I doubt she wants to hear about her from Mercy
past copper
Bro, Blizzard showed that Pharah will join the new Overwatch in the behind the scenes look for Overwatch 2
peak escarp
and? that's something she has always wanted to do
past copper
That’s also why her armor is repainted to fit the Overwatch team original blue and white
limpid agate
Okay
And?
Pharah isn't in the room when Mercy joins Overwatch
So what is stopping Mercy from telling:
- Winston
- Tracer
- Mei
- Genji
- Rein
- Brig
- Echo
peak escarp
how does joining Overwatch tell us that she hates her mother and doesn't want to speak to her?
limpid agate
Which also isn't the case.
past copper
Read the Mercy novel
limpid agate
There isn't a Mercy novel.
There's a short story.
And even then
You are still refusing the answer a very simple question
peak escarp
Pharah isn't mentioned in Valkyrie
past copper
Look, it doesn’t matter at this point you guys are just trying to blow this out of proportion. Also, you are literally the one who posted something that Ana tries to contact her daughter, but Pharah never responded back. Does that tell you she doesn’t hate her mother
peak escarp
no
not answering doesn't mean she hates her mother
maybe she needs time to process the information, maybe she doesn't know how to contact her, maybe she didn't actually receive the letter yet
there's plenty of possibilities aside from "she hates her mother"
we don't know how long it has been since Ana sent the first letter
we can't jump to conclusions
limpid agate
And this is also all ignoring the previous prompt
past copper
Well, Pharah was trained to fight by her mother and others from the first Overwatch. Yet, her mother didn’t want her to ever join Overwatch and possibly any other military organization, something that would irritated her because of her mother training her to fight, but wants to hold back her potential.
Then when her mother was presumed dead and disappeared, she felt like she and her father were abandoned. Only to instead learn through a letter that her mother is alive, but she can’t see them. Pharah isn’t gonna be a happy camper.
In her mind, her mother is alive, so why can’t she come home? She doesn’t have to be a soldier anymore. So why keep fighting while leaving your friends and family behind?
limpid agate
Is this based on anything
There is nothing that suggestions that last paragraph is true.
And Pharah's interactions with Ana are amicable, not hostile or volatile.
And this still has nothing to do with the fact that Mercy has no reason to not tell Overwatch that Jack and Ana are alive
peak escarp
you're making a lot of assumptions about how Pharah feels
we haven't heard her perspective on events
limpid agate
Pharah: Mum, don't you think it's time you told Sam you're alive?
Ana: You let me worry about what your father needs to know.
This interaction seems neutral at worst
past copper
Okay, and your point to those quotes?
Tracer and Mei have interaction quotes with Junkrat, who they’ve never met before
peak escarp
the voice lines indicate "what if" scenarios
if these two heroes met, here's what they would talk about
if Ana and Pharah met again, they would talk about Sam
past copper
So by that extension, “what if” means uncertain
Not a fact set in stone
Which means my theory is just as possible
As to Mercy not telling them Jack and Ana are alive. The two are basically criminals in the eyes of the United Nations. If they didn’t have to worry about Talon, the two would have to worry about any government wanting to arrest them.
If the new Overwatch knew about them, they would want to bring them back in by any means, putting them at risk for going against the Petras Act even more then they have now. Which by the way, we still don’t know how that will go in Overwatch 2. While people will see them as heroes, the people who signed off on the Petras Act will see them as criminals.
It’s basically the Avengers after Civil War
desert edge
You know, it's usually smart to give up when proven wrong so much
peak escarp
I don't think Overwatch will care about bringing back Jack and Ana
they've got other things to worry about
past copper
Yes. A a global invasion and they’re having to fight what little they have. They would need all the help they can get
peak escarp
but if they don't want to go back, there's no forcing them
past copper
Well, it’s bad to get new members. Such as we’ve seen D. Va, Baptiste, Zarya, and Bastion will join them. Along with members with ties to them such as Pharah and Brigitte. But it wouldn’t hurt them to have members with experience in the organization.
desert edge
I mean, you're disregarding the fact they are pretty old, "all the help" isn't going to always be the best thing
And I mean, d.va has experience
Brig has experience
Pharah has experience
Bap is an ex-talon member
peak escarp
past copper
Maybe, but Jack and Ana were their loved and respected leaders. The only ones left with such needed leadership skills are Winston, Mercy, and Sojurn. I’m sure Winston had his doubts when the only ones he thought got his message were Tracer and Mei
past copper
Well, like I said before, they might not be in the story, but you never know. The two have their own enemies to deal with, but given a global invasion is happening around them, can they honestly ignore what they’re best at?
past copper
Well also remember, technically, that Winston’s Overwatch goes against the Petras Act. I can’t possibly predict how that act will impact the new Overwatch, but I’m sure it will rear it’s ugly head on them. Possibly after they deal with Null Sector
limpid agate
That's not why Jack disaproves of it
He's one of the last people to care about that.
limpid agate
And making enemies out of Helix, Swiss Banks, governments, etc.
German* banks
Also Lumerico
Which is government adjacent, as its the power company of Mexico, and is also led by its former president and Omnic Crisis hero.
Jack doesn't care about that
molten spoke
past copper
I know, but given this act and everything he’s done, this act can pin him down as a criminal. Regardless of being in Overwatch or not, it’s safe to say the UN would want Jack’s head now that he doesn’t have an entire organization under his watch.
I’m sure that’s apart of why he’s doing what he’s doing. He himself said Overwatch was hit from the inside and that doesn’t just sound like he’s implying Gabriel
desert edge
What? You know, you're going through a lot of effort to make yourself look stupid
limpid agate
Okay, but how is that related to your previous point
@desert edge Don't insult other users.
It doesn't matter if its a shit take or incorrect, its not an excuse.
past copper
My point is, Jack probably thinks someone above Overwatch is the one who took down the organization. Someone in the UN
desert edge
I'm not insulting him, I'm just advising him to think before saying something that may make him look idiotic
limpid agate
My point is, Jack probably thinks someone above Overwatch is the one who took do...
Okay, but how is that related to your previous point
desert edge
Also, he knows someone in the UN shut down OW
Where do you think the petras act came from?
past copper
If the UN comes after the new Overwatch because of their actions against the Petras Act, this “someone” in the UN would want to put a permanent end to the team. Jack might not like Winston’s Overwatch, but would he really just ignore something where they’re lives are on the line?
It’s one thing to fight a war against Null Sector and Talon. He knows they can handle themselves. But they can’t fight the UN or they would be seen as terrorists to every country. Though, I guess that’s kinda already the case. Regardless, Jack would want to take the opportunity to take out the one who sold out his Overwatch, regardless of how it ends for him
past copper
Honestly, I seriously think Jack will die in Overwatch 2. Either through this act of unstable revenge or something else
limpid agate
Plus, he has his single one track goal of revenge
Not of babysitting Winston
“What would you have me do, then?” Jack snapped. “Fly to Gibraltar and join
up with Winston? You think the same people who brought down Overwatch won’t
take him down, too?”
Winston saw that the problems in the world were growing, and he saw
Overwatch as the solution for everything. I don’t think Winston ever questioned
why things had fallen apart. He loved it and needed it too much to see how it had
damaged and changed us all. Being in that room with Jack and Ana only reinforced
to me that we were all still broken. Doing the same thing as we had done in the past
would only lead to another disaster. The world didn’t need that. Winston’s heart was
in the right place, but that didn’t mean he was right.
“Let Winston play hero,” Jack said dismissively. “I’ll do what needs to be done.
Reyes, Ogundimu, Maximilien, Vialli, Sombra, O’Deorain, and the rest of them.
Besides, you act like the new OW isn't capable
It is incredibly able to handle the new threat
They are all heroes and should all be able to play a major part
Not just relying on two old heroes
past copper
This I know, but Winston, Tracer, and Mei almost immediately lost hope the moment a titan mech appeared. Thant Hope was instantly reignited the moment Genji, Reinhardt, Brigitte, Echo, and Mercy arrived to save the day.
I’m not saying they would need Jack or Ana. It would just help them understand how they can keep from making the same mistakes they did. That’s something the new generation can always learn from the old generation. To succeed where they failed.
limpid agate
Jack isn't interested in that.
If you want to make the argument that he is, show a source that supports your argument
Because all we have is disdain
past copper
Look, don’t quote me on this, but I’d imagine something will happen that would have them run into Jack, but instead of encouraging them, I’m sure he’d try to cut them down. In doing this though, they would only be encouraged to prove him wrong about them. Like any hero would.
desert edge
And he certainly has no reason to "cut them down"
Don't say stuff we can't quote you on
Also, it's unlikely soldier will really play a huge part moving forward
past copper
Look, I’m only theorizing here. Everyone does it. The only fact is that we have no idea where the story will go and there are so many questions to be answered.
desert edge
The story is called Overwatch, not "vigilantes" or anything like that
The most likely scenario is that OW saves the day, the Petras act is removed, and they move onto being heroes again
desert edge
There's also that
past copper
Well, I’m kinda referring to Sombra’s big conspiracy theory
limpid agate
Thats a different topic entirely
crisp hearth
For what heroes will be in OW2's story, who won't be, and who I personally specu...
They confirmed junkrat won’t be in story mode?
iron plume
2 problems with this
what's the second problem
rancid hull
u ever jus want a movie/ tv show
dire zodiac
iron plume
I'd rather have more novels but something like this with the Omnic Crisis would be cool
desert yacht
I don’t think it’s too unlikely that new overwatch run into ana and jack
I’d think reaper is bound to come after new overwatch at some point
and Ana and jack are following reaper
I could definitely see some scene where reaper has new overwatch in a corner
and jack comes in and distracts him or something
then joining up with new overwatch after that would still be pretty improbable
though
iron plume
I would be surprised if they didn't
But they almost certainly aren't joining
rancid egret
yeah if you listen to winston and soldier’s voicelines you can tell that soldier is pretty indifferent about overwatch reforming and he sounds like he’s going to remain a vigilante
the interactions aren’t canon but it’s a what if
as i think the lore god as said to me
mild umbra
Hey, is there any mention in any official media of what format is used to write down dates in the OW universe? Did they standardize it or is still a mish-mash like IRL?
iron plume
There's not
mild umbra
Darn. I was trawling through some lore bits trying to look for any mention like in a graphic novel or so of Overwatch showing their records or timekeeping and was hoping I could find something.
cosmic crest
There are basically no official dates for anything.
We only get references of how much time has passed between events.
i.e; Retribution was 8 years ago
opaque tundra
i remember there being a date on one of the Echo teasers
i can try to find it but it'll take forever. it was dated march something
cosmic crest
Actually, there might be a few references to the day/month, but I don't think any years have been mentioned.
limpid agate
desert edge
You're right
That's why we don't know when OW takes place
If we had even a single documented year we could probably figure it out
opaque tundra
us lore nerds will be enlightened once a single year is mentioned by accident
limpid agate
We do have years
They're just all too old
The year was also mentioned by accident a few times too, such as with Storm Rising
Which was then removed
desert edge
Well yeah, I meant a year of an event that's important to the current story
Like some time after the first omnic crisis
or even the first omnic crisis
peak escarp
a year has only been mentioned once, in the newspaper article that was a teaser for Storm Rising
not the current year, just a year
Almost two centuries ago, Clara and Basilio Diaz used their savings to open a small rum distillery. It was a modest family business, specializing in small batch, barrel-aged rum. Until 2060, few outside of Cuba knew the name Don Rumbotico, but the brand was wildly popular in Havana. Alicia, like the generations of Diazes before her, is an expert rum-maker. The classic Don Rumbotico recipe is a closely-guarded family secret, and one celebrated as a Cuban favorite.
so we know at least the story takes place after 2060 (which we already assumed based on the "something like 60 years from now" the devs gave us)
the newspaper also originally had 2060 as its publication date, but that was quickly removed
aside from that dates (day/month) have been mentioned a few times - in Nguyen's report on Baptiste, in Mei's journal, in the reports about Lumerico's power plant
and a few others I can't remember right now
restive flower
@peak escarp do u have the book now
past copper
You know, something that comes to mind, where will Symmetra stand in Overwatch? Her first comic, her company literally blew up a rival business while in her latest short story, she meets Zenyatta and helps repair a statue her company broke.
So this begs the question, is Symmetra going to side with her own company, which is secretly apart of Talon or will she be a hero with her friend Zenyatta?
peak escarp
Vishkar is not part of Talon
Sanjay is
Vishkar might not even know that Sanjay is with Talon
past copper
I doubt she knows, but it could be she’s being used similar to Sigma. Someone with talents like hers are impressive after all.
Vishkar may not be apart of Talon, but someone with connections between the two is still dangerous.
valid terrace
She is already starting to question Sanjay's objectives
The likely outcome is either that she leaves or ousts him and continues working for an improved Vishkar
past copper
I’d like to assume both is the outcome. While the company seems insignificant now, I’d imagine Doomfist’s goal involves using Vishkar to create a “perfect” world after their war ends.
That said, I still wanna know more about the leader of Null Sector and where he stands since it appears he’s sided with Talon
valid terrace
Null Sector is using Talon for resources
limpid agate
Humanity will grow stronger through crisis. Sanjay is supporting his goal of starting a war because Vishkar profits off of war.
valid terrace
Yeah
limpid agate
Some in universe examples from the past include Volskaya's mechs, the Soldier Enhancement Program, the Crusaders, Egypt's enhanced Snipers, MEKA drones.
past copper
I know that, but what Doomfist is asking for is a mass genocide of the weak and for the strong to rise. Apparently, strength comes in many forms. Especially financially given Max’s position in Talon
past copper
Because, Doomfist wanted to start a war. All war leads to destruction and death. Those who die are weak in his eyes. It’s kinda genocide
limpid agate
You need to stop making chains of assumptions based on other random unchecked assumptions.
Because that's not Doomfist's philosophy or goal
valid terrace
He doesn't necessarily want the weak to die, he's just willing to let them if humanity becomes stronger as a whole
past copper
Fine. Whatever.
That being the case, I can see Doomfist killing Max in Overwatch 2. He might be an important asset to Talon’s finances, but Doomfist has shown before what happens if you cross him.
valid terrace
He most likely won't be killed, though it is possible
limpid agate
Why would he kill Max
valid terrace
For betraying him again
He already suspects him as of Masquerade, but his usefulness prevailed
Otherwise he would just be another Vialli
past copper
Max sold him out in Storm Rising too. He told Mercy and her team where to find Doomfist, which allowed them to track him down and imprison the dangerous Talon member.
valid terrace
That's why I said again
Doomfist already suspects or knows it was Max that gave him away
limpid agate
It reads to me like the latter.
valid terrace
I agree
limpid agate
And he didn't kill Max for a reason.
past copper
Doomfist has shown he’s not forgiving towards someone who goes against his goals. So I highly doubt he’d be less then happy to have been betrayed by someone on the council. Regardless of how useful they are
valid terrace
But doomfist is able to look past it because he can still use Max
limpid agate
Even though he sold him out, he is still useful and isn't getting in the way of his overall vision.
Unlike Vialli
valid terrace
Exactly
limpid agate
Who was getting in the way of his goal
valid terrace
But if Max starts to shift to being less useful and more obstructive, it's possible he'll be dealt with
If Overwatch doesn't save him first
It seems to be a hinted arc from the trailers
limpid agate
Unless Max does something new, Doomfist has no reason to kill him
past copper
Well, it may depend. In the OW2 behind the scenes, it kinda looked like Max they were trying to get out of that blizzard, but that’s just me
Hard to tell since it looked like a man in a black suit
valid terrace
In the Toronto trailer?
past copper
Yeah
valid terrace
Nice
peak escarp
he has distinctive eyebrows/cheeks
limpid agate
That's not who they were talking about
past copper
No. Not that guy.
The guy they’re leading into the drop ship during the blizzard coming in
past copper
Yeah. That one
past copper
Well, regardless, I’d imagine even if they save Max, they would fail.
Talon has ways of taking out targets
peak escarp
they don't seem that good at it
past copper
Gérard Lacroix, Mondatta, unnamed agents of Overwatch
peak escarp
Baptiste got away
past copper
Baptiste only got away because of his friend Mauga
peak escarp
someone as resourceful as Max could find a way
he could bribe a lot of people
or offer them information, like he did with Overwatch
past copper
There was also Volskaya, but she only survived because of Sombra using her for her own goals
Which, Talon is aware of her actions, but haven’t done anything against her yet.
past copper
That’s because, unlike Max, she’s not as expandable. Talon can always get a new broker. But a hacker like Sombra is impossible to find
iron plume
I think you underestimate Max
peak escarp
I wouldn't consider Max expendable
iron plume
Talon could get a new hacker too but they wouldn't be Sombra
peak escarp
he's got specific contacts that would be difficult to replace
iron plume
Just like another broker wouldn't be Max
Especially since if Max is bumped off, his contacts would now be very pissed
past copper
Maybe, but Sombra is has shown her usefulness and has yet to actually betray Talon. At least for the most part.
past copper
Max though would sell out the entire group if it meant he walks away scott free
iron plume
That's assuming the whole thing wasn't a galaxy-brain-plan from Doom in the first place
Which while unlikely I wouldn't rule out
past copper
I’d honestly think Sombra’s actions probably just further Talon’s goals. Volskaya is getting her tech from their Omnic enemies while they’re supposed to be in the middle of a war against them.
If Talon had succeeded in killing her, this secret partnership would have a huge impact in Russia. What that impact would have been, one can only guess
past copper
Yup. I don’t think the story mode will really take us to Russia because of that. They didn’t accept help during the First Omnic Crisis. I doubt they would when Overwatch returns
Plus, I don’t think Null Sector would send their army there since the Omnics are already proving difficult to deal with
peak escarp
Max did appear in the behind the scenes panel, right at the beginning - they show a side-by-side comparison of the video reference and the animation of Max stepping out of what looks like a train/subway
possibly taunting the heroes?
or maybe he's reporting in to Doomfist/Talon
past copper
Hmm. It might be the classic villain trope of thank you for saving me, now let me use you to save me again
Anything is possible in this scene, but those kinda look like Omnic civilians on the ground around him, so maybe Max is joining a up with a Talon leader for a mission?
Personally speaking though, I’d prefer to see more of Null Sector and what other enemies they will have to fight against
peak escarp
I want to see what "other factions" we'll be fighting
I really hope it's Helix Security, since they'd be the ones enforcing the Petras Act
and they'd be good enemies for missions where you play as Talon
past copper
I’m curious to know if there are other Shimada members
Or what this Yokai is like.
I think that might be her on the billboard in Kanezaka
past copper
No. The other billboard in the middle of the map
peak escarp
past copper
An old concept character called Brit
peak escarp
it's an ad for a Virtual Reality vacation agency
limpid agate
Its hard to tell because of the art style whether this is a person in an advertisement, or a fictional character in-universe.
past copper
Well, we don’t have any idea what this Yokai is gonna be in the game and I’m curious to know what kinda hero she is
Kinda hoping for new tank or support
Though, given she’s got something fox themed going on, I highly doubt she won’t be another dps
past copper
I kinda hope some of these new characters are more then just DPS. Seriously need more healers and tanks. Especially tanks all things considered
peak escarp
they will definitely add more of all roles
past copper
The only characters that seem to have a chance of being playable are so far seem to be Yokai, Junkertown Queen, the MEKA squad, Mauga, and Null Sector Leader
peak escarp
I have a feeling most of the new heroes will be characters we haven't seen before
or ones that will be introduced to us between now and launch
past copper
Well, there may be that Sound Quake. Sounds like a good tank
Wait, that’s Wildebeest I’m looking at
limpid agate
Taking the opprotunity to plug this list again
TLDR, top expectations aside from Sojourn:
- Junkerqueen
- Mauga
- Kanezaka Hero
- Null Sector Omnic from Storm Rising
- Hamid Faisal
Plus I've got a pile of honourable mentions:
- Sanjay Korpal
- Lynx 17
- Iggy/Kace
- Sven
- Casino, Overlord, King, D.Mon
- Analyst Nguyen
- From Deadlock Rebels: ||Frankie||
past copper
As interesting as this list is, I’d personally Efi should be on it. Orisa was rebuilt by her and I’m sure they both make an important role in OW2
peak escarp
they're not going to put a human child as a playable character in a shooter game
desert yacht
I think blizzard would want meka to only have dva as a playable representative
I don’t see the point in adding more meka heroes
they’re also probably more useful as npcs
past copper
I didn’t say she’d be playable. If anything, she might join Overwatch as an engineer. She’s very smart for her age after all
desert yacht
it’s easier to further dva’s plot if anything if she’s the sole focus and important character in meka
peak escarp
Jewvia posted a list of potential playable heroes
past copper
Well, there is D.Mon
peak escarp
sure Efi might be involved in the story, but she won't be playable
past copper
Oh, then I don’t see Iggy or Kace being playable
I don’t know about Sanjay, but that depends on if he can do anything similar to Symmetra
peak escarp
Sanjay in hard-light armor would make an interesting tank
desert yacht
most of the honorable mention characters look like massive stretches
yeah I was gonna mention sanjay as the exception
before sigma and mauga when people wanted a talon tank they’d think about sanjay
past copper
The MEKA squad, but mostly D.Mon since her meka is a robot
desert yacht
I don’t think they’d make good playable characters
they’re better off being side characters to dva imo
past copper
I’d honestly want Mauga as Talon tank. He has the same gear as those Talon enemies
past copper
I think Lynx is a stretch. The guy doesn’t strike me as a fighter
peak escarp
Mauga and Junker Queen are likely to be tanks
past copper
I think the queen could be another sniper
peak escarp
her weapon is a large axe
desert yacht
the only one from the meka squad that I think could possibly make an alright hero is king
still wouldn’t want it though
past copper
Someone did make a pretty decent model for D.Mon and her MEKA
peak escarp
past copper
Axe or not, she doesn’t look like a tank and I’ve also found a decently designed model of what she looks like too
peak escarp
she could be like Zarya
limpid agate
most of the honorable mention characters look like massive stretches
- Sanjay is a major player with high potential.
- Lynx was a popular omnic hacker, which opens up alternate (ie supportive) gameplay paths from Sombra's hacking
- Iggy/Kace are just there because they wasted a lot of time on London Calling. Having no one from that comic appear again would just make the comic a huge waste of time.
- Sven is a pretty neat engineer. Not only an excuse to bring in a second, less passive building with flying drones, but also a story character tied to Torb that Blizz expressed interest in bringing back.
- MEKA Squad is popular, I listed them in order of interest because of their story, mech, gun, and popularity respectively.
- Nguyen is actually pretty badass, and is a good excuse to make a supportive or utility character with a sidearm primary.
- Frankie is the only novel character who isn't 99% not happening
past copper
They could give Junker Queen another weapon. Honestly, she looks very similar to Jinx from League of Legends. Maybe they’d give her a mini gun
It would be interesting to have a dps with a mini gun other turret bastion
past copper
Speaking of that, things they could add to heroes are the abilities we see from the animated shorts
Reaper — grenade launchers
Orisa — energy blade
Mercy — blinding wings
Given the talent trees shown appear to have 50 abilities in them, they could do this
limpid agate
Orisa had a lasso
past copper
Yes, but if they’re to give these 20+ heroes 50 abilities each, it is something they could add
peak escarp
most talents are just improvements to existing abilities, not new abilities
do more damage, ability lasts longer, gain health for damage, etc.
past copper
I don’t know what the plan is for how many abilities you can add into the roster at once, but you would have to be smart about them all together
limpid agate
They could give everyone a self heal for no reason. That's not related to the lore though. But when it comes to lore, many many heroes have used many many weapons.
Roadhog has a shotgun, Soldier has a handgun, McCree's been shown to use rifles, Pharah has sprays from when she learned to shoot, etc etc
past copper
I personally think Genji could get a smoke screen ability. Something that would make his dash more deadly to enemies
If they can’t see him coming
peak escarp
the amount of abilities a hero can have is limited by the buttons on a controller, but that's getting away from lore
limpid agate
Not to mention Ana's Kinamura, the various weapons Ashe and McCree used in their novel, Hanzo with the sword, the list goes on, there are tons of random weapons that have been used over time.
past copper
I kinda think they could give Widowmaker a new ult and just make her current one an ability that recharges.
limpid agate
That's not lore
past copper
That said, there is also Hanzo. I miss his scatter arrow. It looks awesome when he uses it against Genji, so he needs it back
Especially since for all we know he could show up in the story mode
I mean, I like the new arrow they showed off back in 2019, but it can’t possibly be better then his scatter arrow
peak escarp
Overwatch has been disbanded, and now there's a situation where the world is in trouble again, and the world needs the heroes again - but they're not allowed to be doing what they're supposed to be doing.
this tells me that the Petras Act will be addressed in some way in Overwatch 2
limpid agate
What's that quote from?
peak escarp
from the Blizzconline 2021 behind the scenes panel
limpid agate
Must have forgotten
cosmic crest
I remember.
limpid agate
Well, doesn't change that I've been saying Helix 3rd faction for years now
If anything it helps that
peak escarp
yeah
cosmic crest
I thought that too, but the more I think about it , the less I can buy Overwatch fighting them. Unless they portray Helix as a bunch of irredeemable pricks, but I think we have enough groups like that.
limpid agate
They already have
limpid agate
Valkyrie was the worst portrayal
cosmic crest
I initially thought Helix would appear as an enemy group in potential Talon missions, but I've started to really doubt we'll play as Talon in the campaign.
I think it would create a bit of narrative whiplash.
peak escarp
attacks had left a swath of destruction, with large parts of the city still trying to
recover. I still had people in my camps who had been displaced or injured in the last
breakout. Helix was a peacekeeping force, but in my mind, they were little better
than mercenaries. They were paid to protect the interests of the government, not
its people: an unsurprising replacement for Overwatch. I should stay at the camp. I
should get everything in order and prepare to triage an influx of people. I knew what
I should do.```being deployed. I didn’t worry about them: their medics would look after them. But
I winced at the destruction caused by the rockets being fired into the melee.```from Mercy's perspective, Helix doesn't look very good
cosmic crest
I don't think it's bad enough for Neo Overwatch to fight them and still look like the good guys.
past copper
Well, something could happen given they gain Pharah into their new group somehow and she is apart of the Raptora units
iron plume
Pharah joining doesn't need to have anything to do with Helix being bad
Pharah dreamed of joining overwatch since her childhood
Helix are "shitty cops"
I wouldn't quite say irredeemable
They're not good but they're not "the bad guys" either
That difference won't be enough for OW to fight them, but it probably will be enough for Pharah to jump ship
past copper
I mean they could have a run in with HSI at some point in the story. Possibly assigned to arrest Overwatch
iron plume
maybe
past copper
Though, given the problem with Null Sector, perhaps Overwatch is pardoned until the threat is dealt with, but with Pharah given orders to watch over them to make sure that none of them escape after Null Sector is dealt with
iron plume
eeeeehhh I don't see how that would make sense
If the UN says that Overwatch fighting Null Sector is good and fine, then the only "crime" they committed is calling themselves Overwatch
past copper
It’s not an impossibility. The UN seems pretty corrupt in Overwatch
iron plume
So either they fight NS (and possibly Talon) with UN's approval and then once that's over sit down and figure out if they're allowed to continue
Or they don't have approval and therefore everything they're doing is a crime
I wouldn't really say so
We don't know enough about them
The biggest thing they did "wrong" was shut down old Overwatch after they blew up a city and continued working in countries against those countries' wishes
That sounds pretty damn reasonable to me
They may well still be corrupt but we have no evidence on that yet
past copper
Well, I mean they allowed Helix to take up the mantle after shutting down Overwatch, despite the many things that show they’re not a good replacement for Overwatch.
iron plume
Helix didn't take up the mantle
They just got tasked with handling the equipment
They have much more limited scope than OW did
and it's not even clear if UN are the ones who made that decision anyway
past copper
Such as Jack breaking into an old Overwatch base and taking down the HSI guarding it to take a pulse rifle, Talon infiltrating a maximum security prison to free Doomfist, and the Talon attack in Egypt with the HSI causing just as much collateral damage