true I didn’t think about like that
#lore-discussion
worthy rose
peak escarp
there's some debate about what Jack means
does he mean "I would never have allowed [him to hire you]."
or . . . ?
worthy rose
I think he might have known about Moria testing on Gabriel . Since that whole thing seems under secret
peak escarp
that could be a possibility
worthy rose
At first I thought it was Reyes was planning on killong the guy all along, damn his name on the tip of my tounge, but Reye's shot old boy and he flew out the window
Killing*
peak escarp
Antonio
Reyes wasn't planning on killing him
the plan was to kidnap him and take him back for questioning
desert yacht
genji doesn't seem too happy to see him either
their interactions are weird to me
they're either neutral/friendly or
a bit hostile
i still can't understand their relationship\
worthy rose
Yeah thats what I realized, so maybe it is Moira's experiments on him Jack was talking about
limpid agate
They seem neutral
worthy rose
In all my time Playing I don't think I've heard a Genji Reaper interaction so I can't say
limpid agate
That was Genji/McCree
peak escarp
Genji's only interaction with McCree sounds playful to me
worthy rose
Genji always seemed like he was indifferent back in his blackwatch days, did he even have one line of dialogue in the retribution mission?
desert yacht
the one about speed sounded a bit hostile idk
peak escarp
Genji is willing to talk about his cybernetics with McCree
and bad memories of his father
peak escarp
Genji always seemed like he was indifferent back in his blackwatch days, did he ...
he had a few, but not as much as Reyes, McCree and Moira
worthy rose
And viae versa, McCree told Genji it was hard losing his arm and he doesn't seem to a vunerable type with just anyone
peak escarp
Genji: Why don't we find out?```
has the same playful tone as
``` McCree: Just remember Pharah, we ain't playing with toy guns anymore.
Pharah: Good, I'm much better with the real thing.```i still think it'd be better if they revoiced that line
like add a chuckle from genji
always has been unclear to me
worthy rose
There's also that one voice line if Genji deflects a high noon bullet in think?
worthy rose
Yeah that one
Genji seems pretty neutral with Moira as well, I only recall 2 interactions but both I didn't detect any disdain from either Genji or Moira, but nothing friendly either
desert yacht
genji seemed to hate her in both of them
says the company is more agreeable implying that before they were disagreeable
and the "suspect you will forever be unsatisfied" sounded like a fuck you as well
worthy rose
To me that sounds more like pity but hey, we all have interpretationz, referring to the second one.
iron plume
Genji isn't outwardly hostile to Moira in their interactions but he's clearly throwing some shade
Moira: Much more talkative now, aren't you, Genji?
Genji: I find the company more agreeable these days.
and
Moira: I always thought you would understand better than most the duality of human existence.
Genji: I am at peace with it. I suspect you will be forever unsatisfied.
So both on a personal and philosophical level
fluid sierra
i think mccree and genji are neutral or old friends even from blackwatch
they don’t rly seem hostile towards eachother as you guys said
worthy rose
Genji isn't outwardly hostile to Moira in their interactions but he's clearly th...
god damn thats some shade
worthy rose
I think the point is that Genji is just kind of a chill guy right
iron plume
Now, yes
iron plume
After meeting Zen
Which was after the fall of Overwatch
He was better off in the strike team than in Blackwatch, but he hadn't found peace yet
dawn oxide
Would adding in a Telepathic character to Overwatch be too outlandish for the lore?
peak escarp
they'd have to explain it somehow
worthy rose
Closest thing is Sigma
But I'm sure blizzard can piece together enough Psuedosciecne if need be
toxic sinew
Isn’t sigma basically telepathic
dawn oxide
Closest thing is Sigma
Sigma is Telekinetic, but he can't read minds.
As for how a Telepath could be introduced, I have a rough story:
In a hidden lab facility, scientists were experimenting on abducted individuals in an attempt to bestow Psionic powers upon them. The experiments were cruel and left nearly all of the test subjects either crippled, insane, or dead. After years of tests, only one subject, a young girl codenamed Esper, began to show signs of Psionic capability. Upon discovering her gift, the scientists began putting her through even crueler tests to learn how her powers worked. This caught the attention of Talon, who showed interest in replicating Esper's powers in order to produce Psionic assassins.
However, the lab's existence was discovered by former Overwatch member Sojourn. Sojourn destroyed the facility, killed the scientists (they deserved it), and rescued Esper (who was now a young adult). Afterwards, Sojourn quickly learned that Esper had trouble controlling her powers, causing her to constantly read the minds of everyone around her (she couldn't turn it off). If she was in distress, Esper's powers could even harm the minds of those around her. Sojourn opted to drop Esper off at an Omnic colony, as her Telepathy didn't work on Omnics. Sojourn would check in on Esper occasionally, and found the Omnics were treating her well.
Tragically, Talon tracked down Esper and devastated the colony, with the Omnics sacrificing themselves to allow Esper to escape. Knowing she would never be rid of Talon if she kept trying to run and hide, Esper has decided to fight, and goes to Overwatch for assistance.
Just note that if Esper were a playable character, her Telepathy would still work on Bastion, Orisa, etc., for gameplay reasons.
worthy rose
How would the telepathy work from a combat stand point?, She just invades and breaks people's minds and puts them into a vegetative state?
Like ummm...man I forgot her name from young justice
fast quarry
Like ummm...man I forgot her name from young justice
Miss Martian?
peak escarp
oh god not this story again
you've spammed the forums with this story
learn some original material
dawn oxide
oh god not this story again
Oh wow, you're shaming. Real mature.
How's about you come up with one, then?
worthy rose
Miss Martian?
Yes, Miss Martian, she was lowkey an a hole for the first few seasons, she put aqualad into a vegetative state because she couldn't excercise restraint with her powers. But that's off topic!
dawn oxide
How would the telepathy work from a combat stand point?, She just invades and br...
While I wouldn't put Mind Control into Overwatch (absolutely no fun to play against; TTK is too short, etc.), it could do something like Disorient a target (i.e. think of Stun Grenades from Call of Duty, or the Boomer Bile from Left 4 Dead)
worthy rose
What would her primary attack be?, That sounds like it could be a shift ability
peak escarp
Oh wow, you're shaming. Real mature.
How's about you come up with one, then?
this isn't the place for fanfiction
it's a place for discussing canon and theories based on canon
dawn oxide
What would her primary attack be?, That sounds like it could be a shift ability
Yeah, the Disorient would be an ability, not her primary weapon.
For a weapon, I'd go with something that takes inspiration from the Covenant Needler from Halo, but without the explosion effect. Instead, it would be that every shot you land causes the subsequent one to deal increased damage, stacking up to a cap.
worthy rose
Dr. 6 is right, idk if this is the place for an OC discussion, ummmm. I remember I had a theory Hanzos bow and the dragonblade were fancy photon projectors and that's how Hanzo and Genji use their dragons, the shimada dragons are just light constructs, what you think?
hasty basalt
i would still love a twins hero concept...like 2 different persons that change everytime the other one dies 😛
maybe also if both die in close timespan you stay out of game like any other 
for the full 10 seconds
hasty basalt
Dr. 6 is right, idk if this is the place for an OC discussion, ummmm. I remember...
but how does light in the end hurt you? 😮
worthy rose
Well remember the dragons cinematic?
peak escarp
same way Symmetra's light hurts you
iron plume
but how does light in the end hurt you? 😮
Same way any hard light weapon does
hasty basalt
worthy rose
And his eyes probably hurt
hasty basalt
well we need a OW 2 release date first before we can think about new heroes 😛
but blizz has other problems right now 
worthy rose
In Canon it doesn't seem like Dragonstrike doesn't do anything
peak escarp
the release date doesn't matter
peak escarp
In Canon it doesn't seem like Dragonstrike doesn't do anything
it's hard to judge based on seeing it once and it was deflected
worthy rose
The only thing I can see kinda throwing this theory off is that Hanzo Tattoos start glowing avatar style when he uses dragon strike
peak escarp
maybe the tattoos are part of a subdermal emitter
worthy rose
Hmm 🤔, the Shimada dragons are a tricky thing to figure out
peak escarp
I dont think it's important what they are
I doubt we'll ever get an explanation
although, maybe if/when we get Asa Yamagami as a hero we might learn more
limpid agate
Hmm 🤔, the Shimada dragons are a tricky thing to figure out
Their appearance and behaviour is near identical to Symmetra's hard light energies
worthy rose
you've spammed the forums with this story
what forums
peak escarp
the OW forums
desert edge
Did someone just tell the lore master to come up with fiction?
desert yacht
not the first time I’ve seen someone here get butt hurt when someone dismisses their concepts
limpid agate
Ive already told them multiple times on the forum about the flaws with that theory over the years
But they keep posting about psionics.
And they keep posting fanfiction.
This is not a place for fan fiction.
So just move on.
scarlet apex
In Canon it doesn't seem like Dragonstrike doesn't do anything
Maybe it emits heat?
And Shimadas have resistance to it?
But this is kinda going into MHA territory
desert yacht
hanzo seemed pretty drained of energy for a bit
limpid agate
Sym's hard light energy has energy drain properties
It looks like Dragonstrike had the same effect on Hanzo
rancid egret
isn’t she loosely tied to talon?
worthy rose
Imagine Sym and Lucio forming a alliance, I don think they have met in Canon but it sounds like a fun story line to me
worthy rose
Hm, I'm curious what reaper contributes to these meetings, I imagine he's a good tactican?
Maximilian is the money conscious guy, Dooms pretty much the ring leader, Sanjay...hard to say what he contributes, maybe he provides talon troops with powerful photon projector weapons, and Moira is the brains.
worthy rose
My exact thought process. Speaking of the inner council is every member have seen confirmed to be the only ones? Or are their more on the inner council who remain to be seen?
fluid sierra
i’d also image he’d be a tactician
worthy rose
Its like a Tf2 team 😂
Hm, I wonder if any character we know is by chance on the talon council, there's a possibility the storm rising mystery Omnic could've received an invitation
worthy rose
Hold the phone, he planned to get arrested?
You know that makes sense, the animation where theu introduce Doomfist just has him breaking out like it was nothing, can't believe I didn't think of that
I am curious though why Doomfist spent years in Helix when he could've punched his way out anytime 🤔
peak escarp
he was biding his time
waiting for the world to be at a point where his war would be most effective
if you look at the origin trailer, you can see newspaper clippings in his cell
they talk about Overwatch's return, and about the assassination of Mondatta
things that would tell him that tensions are high right now, and his war could push them over the edge
he probably got the papers and other info from moles in Helix
worthy rose
Damn, Doomfist over here playing 4D chess while overwatch was playing checkers
Also man Doomfist has to be a whole anime character, he escape helix, probably fought his way through wave after wave of guards, and when he got to the aircraft where Reaper was waiting for him all he said was "I was delayed" Just what is this man capable of?-
worthy rose
I’ve been seeing tweets going around about renaming the character McCree. I wonder if the company will do it. If so, that may change his lore entirely.
cosmic crest
Why would they do that?
desert edge
It's not happening, end of
The idea of changing such a well known character's name is stupid
opaque tundra
It would be super expensive too. They'd have to record a ton of lines in other languages as well
desert edge
Nevermind the lore he's been gave so far
They literally just released a book
There's more chance of McCree's mother being added to the game
desert yacht
Also man Doomfist has to be a whole anime character, he escape helix, probably f...
would make sense, there’s a pharah interaction where she says something like
“A lot of good people died when you escaped. People I knew.”
could be either from doom breaking out or reaper getting in
or both
rancid egret
but what if
spark parcel
What reason would there be to rename him?
worthy rose
What reason would there be to rename him?
Well apparently, McCree is named after a higher up blizzard employee, who was involved with the recent controversy, that's why people want him renamed
peak escarp
he won't get renamed
the only thing the dev is guilty of is associating with the guy named in the lawsuit
cosmic crest
The man could turn out to be a mass murderer and they still couldn't rename McCree. It's far, far too late for that.
finite urchin
Why the hell didnt they just kill doomfist
peak escarp
you mean when they captured him?
finite urchin
Yeah
peak escarp
because even warlords don't deserve the death penalty
cold whale
but still
finite urchin
Doomfist is literally the leader of one of the most powerful terrorist orgs in the world…that’s like saying bin laden doesnt deserve the death penalty :(
cold whale
he is crazy
peak escarp
I don't believe anyone deserves the death penalty, so yes
finite urchin
I believe a life for a life
Ur not exactly being righteous when you forgive those who dont deserve it
cold whale
I think that if someone needs an entire worldwide organization to stop him then, yes he needs to go
cold whale
or a nerf
peak escarp
locking someone away in maximum security prison achieves the same goal
finite urchin
locking someone away in maximum security prison achieves the same goal
Ohhh i killed so many ppl and i still dont deserve to die and i get locked in a facility that i broke out of
peak escarp
but also yeah, plot
finite urchin
Yep most likely plot
peak escarp
Doomfist needed to be able to escape to cause more trouble for the heroes
can't do that if you're dead
this isn't that kind of story
cold whale
true
cosmic crest
I believe a life for a life
Take an eye for an eye and the whole world goes blind.
finite urchin
Take an eye for an eye and the whole world goes blind.
If we kill every murderer in the world it would be a better place
once again, forgiving people who don't deserve it isn't righteous at all, it's just misguided
when you say something as unsensitive as that
cosmic crest
You seem to be confusing mercy with forgiveness.
finite urchin
they're not the same?
cosmic crest
No.
finite urchin
You look past what someone has done to show mercy don't you?
peak escarp
not really
cosmic crest
Not really, no.
finite urchin
so you're just lenient right?
but that means what someone has done doesn't affect you so much
which means you're able to look past it
but that's not even what we were originally talking aobut
cosmic crest
Organisations like Overwatch kill people to protect the innocent. I imagine Winston managed to knock Doomfist out at the end of their fight. He would no longer have been a threat to anyone, killing him would have been murder.
finite urchin
Take an eye for an eye and the whole world goes blind.
so basically, when someone gets kidnapped and killed by a psychopath, you're saying he deserves 20 years in jail?
cosmic crest
Before that, it seemed to me they were trying to kill him.
finite urchin
Organisations like Overwatch kill people to protect the innocent. I imagine Wins...
hitler wouldn't be a threat to anyone in his physical state
you're saying hitler should be in jail
and kept alive?
no
cosmic crest
Yes.
finite urchin
then ur stupid
cosmic crest
I find your lack of empathy deeply disturbing.
finite urchin
who really doesn't have a lack of empathy here?
once again, showing mercy/forgiveness to those who don't deserve it isn't exactly righteous
and it's branded as justice
peak escarp
this isn't really the place to argue ethics
finite urchin
I find your lack of empathy deeply disturbing.
ur not empathetic because you care nothing, you dont consider anything about the lives people lived and how they were just snatched away by some idiot, who you're defending and saying they should just get jail time
peak escarp
killing someone will not bring those lives back
cosmic crest
Exactly.
finite urchin
what if they kill another person?
peak escarp
that's why you remove them from society
finite urchin
you know first time offenses usually get something like 20 years?
well you dont know, they're capable of killing
peak escarp
and repeat offenders get longer sentences
finite urchin
would you seriously put someone elses life on a roulette?
peak escarp
you have a very black and white view of the world
fluid sierra
why are you guys talking about hitler and death penalties here
finite urchin
do I? if it wasn't intentional I believe they shouldn't deserve the death penalty but all things considered, isn't society supposed to be fair? and fair means you get X for X
peak escarp
it started as a question of why Doomfist wasn't executed for his crimes
peak escarp
do I? if it wasn't intentional I believe they shouldn't deserve the death penalt...
it's supposed to be fair, but it rarely is
and what you see as fair other people will disagree
iron plume
This conversation has long passed the point of relevance to lore and is moving in circles
peak escarp
anyway, the reason Doomfist was locked away is because of plot
finite urchin
it's *supposed* to be fair, but it rarely is
yeah and that should be a problem innit
iron plume
Again
peak escarp
not really, a lot of stuff happens because of plot
finite urchin
This conversation has long passed the point of relevance to lore and is moving in circles
i get it
iron plume
This conversation is over
peak escarp
Winston wins against Reaper because of plot
finite urchin
and also they don't just mass produce doomfist's gauntlet because of plot despite somehow being able to modify it
peak escarp
modify it?
finite urchin
and literally keep it locked away in an unguarded museum
worthy rose
Winston wins against Reaper because of plot
? Should Reaper have won then?
finite urchin
modify it?
yeah
the previous doomfists had it on their left arm
this doomfist has it on his right
fluid sierra
reaper definitely would win if winston didn’t have the fattest plot armor ever
finite urchin
because of that...why not just mass produce the gauntlet if it's so effective...
and why not just mass produce orisas if they work against doomfist
finite urchin
the museum didn't modify it
but the museum literally kept it on public display
peak escarp
idk, because a lot of resources went into making them?
finite urchin
idk, because a lot of resources went into making them?
okayyy
well
i have no idea about the doomfist gauntlet
i admit
for all i know it could be powered by some rare crystal or some bullshit like that
but
orisa was a 10 yr old's science project
peak escarp
there's probably in-universe reasons they couldn't just reproduce the gauntlet or Orisa or any other powerful weapon
finite urchin
okay, so why are you complaining?
am i really complaining?
i think you seem to have forgotten where this conversation started
i was agreeing with you, hun
peak escarp
and why not just mass produce orisas if they work against doomfist```what do you think i was tryna argue?
finite urchin
Winston wins against Reaper because of plot
this is where the convo started
peak escarp
okay
finite urchin
okay
valid terrace
Orisa's main weapon is from Volskaya
They already mass produce their own death machines
Also, the doomfist gauntlet is likely irreplaceable, otherwise we'd see talon mooks using smaller ones
brave ravine
Also, the doomfist gauntlet is likely irreplaceable, otherwise we'd see talon mo...
semi-OT, but that could be a cool development for a future Archives-style (or OW2) mission, like the assassin/sniper/heavy enemies
valid terrace
That's what I mean though, the fact that we haven't seen them likely means the gauntlet is one of a kind
finite urchin
Orisa's main weapon is from Volskaya
right, there could be political reasons why numbani cant just get a supply of tobelsteins
or whatever it is
worthy rose
orisa and doomfist are unique and expensive items
numbani literally had an army of weaker orisas, and same with the omnics during the crisis
and i assume there is similar tech to doomfists gauntlet that exists
finite urchin
numbani literally had an army of weaker orisas, and same with the omnics during ...
if orisa is so similar to the or14s then it should be easy to reproduce them with orisa's design
peak escarp
she's a unique program
finite urchin
She's got a whole lot of tech that they don't
soooo they can borrow the design?
valid terrace
The Numbani government immediately scrapped the Idina program when they got beaten
I don't think they'd be willing to reboot it even with Orisa as an example
iron plume
That too
None of the OR15 frames are still owned by Numbani
And it's up to Efi to share her AI development
if that's even possible to fully replicate
worthy rose
I wonder how strong Orisa is, because she seemed pretty confident in that one interaction she has with Doomfist-
iron plume
She might not be too strong in general but she’s specifically built to stop him
worthy rose
She just gotta pop bongo and fortify so Doomfists rollout is useless 😂
limpid agate
Gameplay != Lore
The bongo doesn't behave the same way in the lore.
We've seen her use it in the novel Hero of Numbani
lavish adder
I really do hope for the best for OW2 lore! I know I got irritated about it before, but I really do hope for the best!
limpid agate
Where she did hold her own well against Doomfist (but he was jobbing pretty badly)
worthy rose
Gameplay != Lore
Well of course, I'm just not very funny
peak escarp
Where she did hold her own well against Doomfist (but he was jobbing pretty badl...
she also had Lucio and a bunch of kids helping her
limpid agate
And he was jobbing pretty badly
peak escarp
I think eventually she could beat Doomfist on her own, but she's not there yet
fluid sierra
is reaper like the most powerful talon member
peak escarp
depends what you mean by powerful
peak escarp
Sigma would probably win
peak escarp
probably not
worthy rose
Yeah Sigma can just create a black hole like it's taking candy from a baby
peak escarp
he doesn't make black holes
that would end all life on earth
he manipulates gravity
worthy rose
Well whatever then hell kinetic grasp is, he can make that like it's nothing
finite urchin
Well whatever then hell kinetic grasp is, he can make that like it's nothing
well i mean
he cant do that in canon
at least i dont think so but
game != canon
valid terrace
We don't know Sigma or Echo's capabilities in lore
We've only seen them demonstrate abilities in game
worthy rose
we've seen Echo use her sticky bombs so that's canon
pastel dust
The Duplication is in question though
valid terrace
That's what I meant, people will often claim that they are the strongest for abilities with questionable canonicity
fluid sierra
isnt genji quite powerful in lore
we’ve seen him do a lot of impressive things but mainly to bots and hanzo so idk
fluid sierra
ye but i mean we’ve seen him deflect a lot so can he rly deflect as much as in game, also his dragonblade while limited is extremely powerful cut thru that mech like butter
worthy rose
Genji also deflected I think 3 shots from that null sector titan
fluid sierra
ye
finite urchin
We don't know Sigma or Echo's capabilities in lore
Right, it’s unknown if sigma can actually use kinetic grasp or not
finite urchin
ye but i mean we’ve seen him deflect a lot so can he rly deflect as much as in g...
Not stronger than doomfist definitely tho
A whole lot faster probably
peak escarp
Doomfist took out Genji with basically one punch
worthy rose
....Death.
worthy rose
I am willing to bet Genji is more skilled then he was those some years ago
finite urchin
https://tenor.com/view/punch-one-punch-man-genos-gif-16053643
Bald man one shots cyborg
worthy rose
Hm, guess it is accurate
finite urchin
I am willing to bet Genji is more skilled then he was those some years ago
I mean i hope he’s at least able to use a dragon if he fights doom again
Lol ofc it is
fluid sierra
wait he fought doom
peak escarp
in the Doomfist origin trailer
fluid sierra
bro there’s so much i don’t know
finite urchin
wait he fought doom
In the doom origin
worthy rose
Yeah, along with Winston and tracer
fluid sierra
it’s so cool how they all have huge strengths and weaknesses
winston beat doom up but he couldn’t do shit to the huge null sector thing
finite urchin
Like an anime right
worthy rose
He took an L though, along with Tracer. Monke avenged then tho
fluid sierra
genji fucked that thing but got fucked by doom
finite urchin
Winston: “I’ll be right behind you”
Also winston: prepares to get turned into monke meat
fluid sierra
ikr
worthy rose
I imagine whatever Vibranium Doomfist is made out of was tougher than the null sector titans hand
peak escarp
Winston intended to sacrifice himself so Tracer, Mei and the civilians could get away
fluid sierra
I imagine whatever Vibranium Doomfist is made out of was tougher than the null s...
yeah obviously but monkey fist could take it
monkey fist can’t cut thru null sector hand like butter
worthy rose
Winston intended to sacrifice himself so Tracer, Mei and the civilians could get...
I have to question his act though, he wasn't gonna be stall them long and how far would they have gotten before Winston was gonna die?
finite urchin
Winston intended to sacrifice himself so Tracer, Mei and the civilians could get...
Why tf did he tell tracer he would survive smh
peak escarp
it was better than nothing
fluid sierra
winston is selfless
worthy rose
True, true I guess, or maybe he saw where Genji joined the game and went "oh yeah..let's make this cinematic!"
fluid sierra
his first reaction was to try to protect them at all costs
genji is badass tho
ngl
finite urchin
Narration:
“Sorry tracer…” winston thought to himself.
“Looks like I won’t be able to keep that promise after all.”
fluid sierra
he’s one of my favorite characters in lore and design
worthy rose
I'm an Otaku, so naturally I was drawn to Genji
peak escarp
"I'll be right behind you" was a lie from the start
to mirror when Tracer said it earlier in the short
fluid sierra
he said it so they leave
finite urchin
Genji waiting half an hour so he could jump in right in at the last second to look cool smh
worthy rose
"I'll be right behind you" was a lie from the start
Tracer knew as well, you can see it in her face
fluid sierra
do you think he actually tried to keep the promise
finite urchin
do you think he actually tried to keep the promise
I mean, he had monke bubble right
peak escarp
Tracer knew as well, you can see it in her face
exactly
peak escarp
the animators captured that expression perfectly
worthy rose
I mean, he had monke bubble right
His bubble was on cool down
fluid sierra
or am i wrong
finite urchin
Hope it does by this point
worthy rose
the animators captured that expression perfectly
Talented people working over there
peak escarp
Winston's bubble shield wouldn't last very long against a giant laser
Rein and Brigitte had to combine theirs to hold it back for a few seconds
fluid sierra
@peak escarp am i wrong tho i swear i remember hearing something along the lines of the bubble being a prototype
finite urchin
Winston's bubble shield wouldn't last very long against a giant laser
reinhardt’s shield did, winston’s would probably hold for a tad bit longer than a second
fluid sierra
and that he was still working on it
peak escarp
the version he was working on in Recall was a prototype
worthy rose
Reins sheild is trash 🤣 Al! It takes is bastion and that thing is gone-
peak escarp
we don't know if he has made other versions or if that prototype was finished
finite urchin
He could just carry that thing around with him instead of dropping it big btain
fluid sierra
we don't know if he has made other versions or if that prototype was finished
makes sense
how did he beat reaper up tho
i swear his plot armor is as big as his ass
peak escarp
he beat Reaper because the prototype failed and exploded
worthy rose
Im thinking Winston didn't have a bubble sheild with him, otherwise he definitely would have used it when the titan shot it's chest laser
finite urchin
Dodge the laser for a bit of time since it didnt seem like the bot could aim so well considering how clumsy and slow it was
fluid sierra
the bot didn’t even shoot a later at winston
he shot normal shots that genji deflected
peak escarp
putting out the bubble shield would be like using an umbrella to stop an oncoming train
fluid sierra
i don’t think genji can deflect beams
- it’s too hot
his sword was already burning hot from the shots
the beam would’ve melted his ass
peak escarp
friction creates heat
worthy rose
i don’t think genji can deflect beams
Well those weren't beams it shot, they were like laser bullets
fluid sierra
ye ik ik
finite urchin
putting out the bubble shield would be like using an umbrella to stop an oncomin...
guess rein's umbrella shield works against a train!
peak escarp
and Rein's shield by itself is stronger than Winston's shield
worthy rose
Imagine that could happen in game, double sheild meta taken to a new level
finite urchin
plus they only interlocked shields because it couldn't protect everyone
think about it
because they increased the surface area
it wouldn't make the shield stronger than winston's
peak escarp
how do you know?
finite urchin
how do you know?
how do you know rein's shield is stronger?
peak escarp
Reinhardt's shield was made to defend against the omnic hordes, probably by professional armorers - Winston made his in his lab
it's logic
fluid sierra
and we don’t even know if he made it properly yet
tbh winston rly coudlnt have done anything in that situation
he was just being selfless because that’s just who he is
if genji didn’t help he most likely would’ve died
but winstons plot armor is bigger than the moon he’s from so ofc genji had perfect timing
worthy rose
Everyone had rather perfect timing 😂
finite urchin
Reinhardt's shield was made to defend against the omnic hordes, probably by prof...
and you're the one who disregards logic saying that "it's not confirmed" in all the arguments we've had
fluid sierra
bubble being more powerful than reins shield isnt logic
if anything it’s the overwatch universe there’s not much logic otherwise winston would’ve died years ago
peak escarp
why?
worthy rose
Winston's bubble seemed like it was little more than a side project so Winston wouldn't die of boredom. I'm sure when he makes another that will be different though
finite urchin
Winston's bubble seemed like it was little more than a side project so Winston w...
but winston created tracer's machine, which means he is a better than normal scientist
reinhardt's shield was made using german engineering
now, we haven't seen anything related to germany in the lore except for the crusaders
so we can use "logic"
peak escarp
it's still a proven, finished shield vs. an unfinished prototype that we haven't seen function properly yet
swift mason
The only place we see Winston’s shield work in the lore was london calling, but compared to Reinhardt’s shield, it is no contest rein’s is better
peak escarp
tbh I forgot he used it in LC
swift mason
I don’t blame you
pastel dust
I wonder if the whole interlocking shields thing can be a thing, either in the OW2 story or pvp
Would defenetly put an interesing take on the singular tank group
peak escarp
I believe the director said that the combo moves (Rein and Brigs shields, pulse bomb + blizzard) are to represent the combos players already perform in the game
pastel dust
Oh, that's interesting
Though it would be cool to combine ults/shields in the story too, even if it's just for cutscenes or something
peak escarp
Aaron Keller: Team work and using hero abilities in different combinations has always been a core part of Overwatch gameplay, think of Hanzo’s dragon used along with a Graviton Surge. Zero Hour is a cinematic representation of synergies that already exist. In Overwatch 2 we’ll see new abilities and talents that players can discover, offering new powerful combinations to mix and match.```They would never do something like that because then having a brig would almost be a requirement if you had a Rein
Otherwise you'd miss out on a really powerful interlocking shield
finite urchin
besides, how would you even keep that shield up
would you have to face parallel to the direction the other guy is facing the whole time?
the best i can think of is a qte event in pve
rancid egret
They would never do something like that because then having a brig would almost ...
basically the state ow is in now
hasty basalt
They would never do something like that because then having a brig would almost ...
people are already stuck in their meta heads so much they wont change even it makes 1000% sense....how much i lose a match because some babo thinks we need tze meta xD
limpid agate
This is the lore channel, not the gameplay channel
Anyways, that's not why team work moves would be bad in gameplay. Its just not an intuitive mechanic.
finite urchin
Its not a contest
he improved it by the time he contacted tracer :|
you can't use that as an example :|
finite urchin
plus i bet he improved it even more by time he fought against the behemoth
finite urchin
it also seems to break quickly
here
limpid agate
I completely forgot about that cameo in London Calling
limpid agate
But it was still pretty pathetic
finite urchin
anyway the original argument was about how doctor said this shield wouldn't do anything to the laser
but i can't see it any different from rein's barrier
i mean
sure
rein's is more durable
but not that big of a difference...?
finite urchin
they're both barriers
is the pzifer vaccine completely different from maderna?
no
i can see the same logic being applied
limpid agate
Brig or Torb probably
finite urchin
winston is a good scientist
limpid agate
Based on the rest of the armour, I would say Brig
limpid agate
But we dont know who invented the shield to begin with
limpid agate
Or how much of it is applied vs custom
finite urchin
brigitte isnt some super genius
but she did learn from torb
so i guess
you could say she's equal to torb with this stuff
um
limpid agate
The original design was German though, yes
finite urchin
yes
peak escarp
something made by an amateur (Winston may be brilliant but he's not a trained engineer) compared to something made by professionals, with field testing and research
finite urchin
I think winston knows how to make a barrier
and brigitte's design probably isn't all that revolutionary
plus winston trusts in his invention enough to use it in actual combat
meaning he probably trusts what he made
they're both similar
peak escarp
just because he trusts it doesn't mean it will work
limpid agate
Reins barrier is the strongest barrier we have seen in the lore
peak escarp
in fact if he trusted the shield to work, then he would have used it against the titan
limpid agate
Instead he used cars
And that laser tore through the dropship
Instantly
Its not a contest
finite urchin
And that laser tore through the dropship
doesn't tear through reinhardt's barrier apparently
finite urchin
...i still don't get it, why is reinhardt's barrier 100x stronger than winston's
peak escarp
because it was made better
finite urchin
doesn't seem practical or realistic at all
peak escarp
both in-universe and in the meta sense
it doesn't seem practical or realistic for a military-grade shield built to stop literal warmachines to be stronger than some garage kit prototype?
finite urchin
it was built to stop gunfire not warmachines
i mean
bastions
are technically warmachines?
but
more like robots
limpid agate
They were literally redesigned by the omniums for the express purpose of killing humans
finite urchin
like
limpid agate
They are the very definition of war machine
finite urchin
reinhardt toughness =1000, winston toughness = 1
it
doesn't add up
logically
if you make a bike urself
finite urchin
it doesn't seem that much different from an expensive factory made one
limpid agate
This is a tank
limpid agate
It has armor on it
limpid agate
This is a jeep
It also has armor
This is a cop. It also has armor
Not all armor is equal
The same goes for shields in Overwatch
finite urchin
that's not a reasonable comparison
let's replace tanks with full blown barriers
would you use police armor for a tank?
likewise
would you use glass durability stuff for a barrier?
peak escarp
what is the point of all this?
pastel dust
To be fair on both sides here, Winston's barrier isn't as strong as Rein's but can still take a few hits
Rein's was engeneered for war, against whole armies with miniguns
With some engeneering tips from Torb Winston could defenetly make strong barrier
peak escarp
why does it matter how strong Winston's barrier is or isn't, the fact remains that he chose not to use it against the titan
pastel dust
Exactly
peak escarp
it would have ruined the image of a noble sacrifice if he had hid behind a shield
finite urchin
what is the point of all this?
I'm just tryna find out
ur the one who said it couldn't withstand the laser like rein's shield
peak escarp
I don't think it could
peak escarp
otherwise he would have used to to protect Mei
and the civilians
sounds more like you argued with me
finite urchin
he didn't use it to protect the civilians from the normal troops tho
pastel dust
That's true
peak escarp
that's my point
finite urchin
so you can't use that to judge it's power
peak escarp
he didn't use it because he didn't think it would help
finite urchin
To be fair on both sides here, Winston's barrier isn't as strong as Rein's but c...
i totally agree with this
doc has a point that his barrier's definitely weaker
but i dont in anyway agree
that it's THAT much weaker
pastel dust
I feel like Winston should've used the barrier in the cinematic, but he didn't because drama
finite urchin
right
plot
it kinda started as a joke
i was like
he shoulda used the barrier to block the laser if reinhardt's could
and now they're saying no it woulda shattered easily bruv it's nowhere near as strong
pastel dust
I meant for him to use the barrier to protect people
I wouldn't stand a chance against the lazer
finite urchin
I wouldn't stand a chance against the lazer
but reinhardt's barrier did
pastel dust
Winston's barrier in game barely lasts a second against a single bastion turret, whist Reins can last about 3
finite urchin
in game != canon
pastel dust
In lore, Rein's can last a good solid 5 seconds or so against a dozen bastion turrets
finite urchin
right
pastel dust
Her "rez" can be seen mending Mei's arm in Zero Hour
That's pretty much the extent of her power
finite urchin
right
pastel dust
Still pretty strong, but not reviving the dead if you know what I mean
finite urchin
right
peak escarp
my point was that we've seen Winston's shield break easily
so it would not stand up to things we know Reinhardt's shield can block
pastel dust
Yes
I'm sure Winston's gone a good way from the shield failing against Reaper, but I believe a good few months have passed since then
While his shield has almost certainly gotten better, it still wouldn't be very effective again that lazer
peak escarp
we've seen Winston's shield function once
peak escarp
peak escarp
either it doesn't last very long (it's on a timer) or it breaks easily
it's hard to tell from the art
pastel dust
Yeah
It dosen't look like it cracks or anything, but the shields don't really crack in lore, the game just does it so we know when the barriers are weak
peak escarp
look at Rein's shield when it breaks in H&G
(can't post a screenshot rn, I'm on mobile)
desert yacht
i'd also assume in the 25+ years since honor and glory rein's shield would get a few improvements
especially with his shield interlocked with brig's
finite urchin
especially with his shield interlocked with brig's
He did that to increase the area it covered not its durability
Otherwise it woulda stayed the same size
desert yacht
i would assume it would also increase the durability
finite urchin
That’s not too far fetched but brig’s shield is very small, whereas the new shield was like 1 3/4 the size of rein’s
valid terrace
I'm not sure if the size necessarily is indicative of the strength of the projector
It may or may not be the case
finite urchin
I'm not sure if the size necessarily is indicative of the strength of the projec...
well, the bigger the barrier, the stronger it probably has to be
because like
think about a barrier as small as a shield
vs a barrier as large as a coutnry
the country one would definitely have to be thicker
valid terrace
A shield may have adjustable size for easier use, since car sized shields are less convenient as a personal protector, we don't know if the strength of the shield is 1-1 with the size of it
If a barrier could protect a country effectively, would it become more dense at a smaller scale, or be the same thickness as before, or maybe the size is inherent, which would mean it will always be that size from production
We don't know as there haven't been any examples of this afaik
Maybe Symmetra's barriers, but they haven't shown the true strength or limits of those either
worthy rose
I just realized
Where the hell was Torb during OW2 opening cutscrne (zero hour?)
Like wouldn't he be with Brig or Rein or smth
cosmic crest
Where the hell was Torb during OW2 opening cutscrne (zero hour?)
He's not travelling with Rein and Brig, he'd likely be at home in Gothenburg.
We'll see him in the story campaign.
iron plume
Also with Bastion
rancid egret
i thought torb wasn’t a fan of omnics
light tide
he met bastion and repaired him a bit
pastel dust
I think Torb’s starting to come to terms with omnics, starting with Bastion
iron plume
Pretty much that, yes
He doesn't trust them and he was hesitant with Bastion
But although he's skeptical, he also knows more about them than anyone else
Which helped him realize that Bastion wasn't hostile in Binary
fluid sierra
bastion is cute
heavy widget
Is dva part of Overwatch or does she kinda just do her own thing. Sometimes it kinda seems like she is but it’s kinda hard to tell.
worthy rose
similar to a lot of playable heroes we know, she is a freedom fighter who's goal is to protect that what they care about
similar to Lucio in Rio
with what power they have with their tools and equipment etc, they defend against the attacking omnics
still learning about this stuff myself so correct me if im wrong, but that's what i know
peak escarp
you've got it right
D.Va isn't part of Overwatch, she just works with MEKA in Korea to defend them against the omnics
in OW2, she's going to team up with Overwatch, but it's unknown if she'll be considered a member
valid terrace
Most of the characters in Overwatch the game aren't actually part of or even connected to Overwatch the organization
heavy widget
in OW2, she's going to team up with Overwatch, but it's unknown if she'll be con...
Oh that’ll be neat I had no idea
worthy rose
Oh that’ll be neat I had no idea
Beluga…
worthy rose
Yo are genji and mercy canon bc idk bc they being hinted a ton
peak escarp
they might be in the future
worthy rose
K
peak escarp
but their current relationship is unconfirmed
peak escarp
they do flirt a lot
worthy rose
Ye
limpid agate
similar to a lot of playable heroes we know, she is a freedom fighter who's goal...
D.Va isn't a freedom fighter.
There is no freedom to fight for
She is closer to Zarya than Lucio
lunar otter
Honestly i don't think it really matters
finite urchin
Honestly i don't think it really matters
We still wanna know
lunar otter
I mean she fights the robots but she isn't a part of overwatch (yet) that's all that needed to be said really😂😂😂
Anywho is the red head on the ship in Zero hour Tracers gf?
peak escarp
Tracer's girlfriend, Emily
peak escarp
split roost
Tracer's girlfriend, Emily
yup
lunar otter
So she is the red head on the dashboard of the ship in Zero hour?
iron plume
Yes
lunar otter
Cool
And her name is Emily
Any other characters with confirmed relationship romantic wise and names and such
iron plume
Torbjorn has a wife named Ingrid
that's it that's the list
unless you count past ones
lunar otter
Yea past and present
iron plume
In which case there's also Ana and Sam, Reyes and unnamed wife, Widow and Gerard, Soldier and Vincent
iron plume
!!lorewiki Sam_(Amari)
And Reyes's wife is mentioned in Bastet, in the same dialogue where Soldier mentions Vincent
lunar otter
Bastet?
lunar otter
Thanks
rancid egret
@peak escarp lore god
how does baptiste play into what’s going on in the world. he left talon but will he join overwatch? or does he just leave talon and try to be a civilian ?
worthy rose
It seems like for the time Baptiste is on the run, but at some point he does align with overwatch, or at least that's the plan
limpid agate
how does baptiste play into what’s going on in the world. he left talon but will...
It was suggested at BlizzConline that he will join the team in OW2
At the end of his short story, he asks Sombra to tell him where to find Mercy, who he worked with in the past
rancid egret
ohh thank you
peak escarp
how does baptiste play into what’s going on in the world. he left talon but will...
you can see Baptiste in this image from the storyboards, right behind Reinhardt's hammer
next to Lucio and Genji
mighty coyote
I want to see wrecking ball in a cinematic
peak escarp
I'm curious to see how (if at all) they work Hammond into the story
limpid agate
They probably wont
limpid agate
If Hammond does make another appearance, it'll be in a piece of lore meant to promote the queen
pastel dust
Or he and Winston cross paths for a minute
rancid egret
there is an interaction between winston and hammond and he sounded excited to find him
granted, it’s not canon
peak escarp
but he would be excited to see him again
mighty coyote
hmm why is Winston able to talk but Hammond isn’t?
Hammond is clearly just as smart
toxic sinew
In which case there's also Ana and Sam, Reyes and unnamed wife, Widow and Gerard...
whos vincent
limpid agate
Soldier's ex-boyfriend from ~30 years ago
The least important love interest of all the known characters
pastel dust
hmm why is Winston able to talk but Hammond isn’t?
Gorillas have more human vocal cords than Hamsters, so Winston can talk but Hammond needs a transtlator.
limpid agate
!!shitposting @strong prawn
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forest glade
high noon dude lore?
valid terrace
!!loreheroes mccree
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pliant sparrow
There are documented cases of some captive primates speaking words I think? So it wouldn't be to much of a stretch to imagine that winston was engineered to be able to speak human language
worthy rose
Ive seen rise of the planet of the apes and can confirm, primates can indeed speak 😂😂
I always think of that movie specifically whenever I also think about Winston's lore and then lore of Horizon lunar colony, I imagine it played out something like that
peak escarp
the writers were probably inspired by it
and other sci-fi stories of creations rising up to kill their creators
split roost
hi guys
compact cobalt
Do we know if horizon lunar colony ever come back into the story?
compact cobalt
Who is the person in front of rein
peak escarp
Who is the person in front of rein
McCree
peak escarp
based on the storyboards, it looks like he goes to Toronto to find Sojourn
limpid agate
Do we know if horizon lunar colony ever come back into the story?
It is extremely unlikely we will ever see HLC be relevant.
Not all maps will be featured in the story. That is the least likely map of them all.
peak escarp
at least they'll all be used in hero missions
cosmic crest
I'd argue Blizzard world is less likely to show up.
peak escarp
at least Blizzard World is on Earth
Overwatch doesn't really have a reason to go to the Moon
or a way of getting there
compact cobalt
That reminds me
What is Black Forest and ayutthayas lore relevancy if any
Their the only maps that I don’t know if they have any
peak escarp
Black Forest is near the place where Bastion woke up
Ayutthaya . . . I'm not actually sure
I think it connects to Dr. Faisal
compact cobalt
It’s in Thailand right
peak escarp
yeah
compact cobalt
Thailand hasn’t shown up in lore iirc
At least not prominently
Also Petra
I don’t know much about that map
peak escarp
Petra has hints that a team of archaeologists are excavating statues there
iirc one of the laptops mentions similar digs in Greece and Thailand
it's been a while since I looked at Petra
limpid agate
I think it connects to Dr. Faisal
Yes
That's its only relation to anything
It is otherwise just a map in a place they wanted to make a map
Same with Petra and Ilios
Irrelevant maps tied to archeologist digs
Ilios has a line about Talon activity, but that has never been mentioned in over 5 years
compact cobalt
I was gonna say illios but I couldve sworn id seen something about it
valid terrace
ares
worthy rose
I had always thought Black Forest is near Eichenwalde
peak escarp
the Black Forest is southwest of Stuttgart, which is the city Bastion was attacking in the short
Eichenwalde is somewhere in the Black Forest too
you can see Eichenwalde and Stuttgart labeled on the hologram map in the attacker's spawn
worthy rose
Thats a lot of lore
limpid agate
What
broken jewel
Petra has hints that a team of archaeologists are excavating statues there
Petra is also the location of one of the God AI i think
peak escarp
that's Temple of Anubis
limpid agate
@broken jewel The only known God Program is Anubis. God Program, not God AI
And the whole concept of God Programs is not important, its just a colloquial title for Anubis specifically
broken jewel
Well considering they’re called God programs, I think the original plan was for there to be multiple god programs named after various deities. Iris is a greek goddess if I recall correctly so there could be something there with the Shambali. Seems like the only logical route but we all know lore for this game comes at a snails pace so who knows if they’re even going to explore god programs further.
I’ve always thought Overwatch would be great as an animated series. Amazon this is ur chance 👀 give it the invincible treatment
limpid agate
Its not a logical route
We were explicitly told
Its just a colloquial name for Anubis.
And "Iris" is not a character.
broken jewel
Iris is a character?
My favorite piece of Overwatch lore is the fact that Winston pays taxes to Switzerland
I was rolling when I first heard that interaction in game
limpid agate
Iris is not a character
broken jewel
That’s what u thought I don’t know what you mean by “iris” is a character
limpid agate
I typoed
I meant to say she is not a character
Contrary to popular belief
People often like to make connections where there are none
People thought Ana had to be Sombra even after Ana was revealed
broken jewel
Lol. I remember when everyone thought Alejandra was Sombra
You know I’ve been listening to all the possible voice line interactions in the storm rising event and Winston is a funny guy. Like usually it’s unintentional but sometimes he does make jokes.
worthy rose
Does anyone know how sigma plays into the lore of overwatch
flint epoch
Talon kidnapped him i think
iron plume
"God Program" is Anubis. Overwatch doesn't have Anubis, so they don't have a God Program
Sigma isn't tied to the "main" story (yet), but yes he is in Talon custody
valid terrace
It's not like someone made these AIs and called them "god programs" it's more like they made Anubis to help run Egypt, and the Egyptians referred to it as their "god program" it's more of a nickname than a title
broken jewel
Talon kidnapped him i think
They’re probably finding his research since other orgs likely wouldn’t due to his insanity. They probably also fund Moira’s unethical research.
Reaper is in Talon because they pay for his gun addiction
Funding*
limpid agate
@broken jewel This isnt a meme channel
broken jewel
Oh sorry my bad
worthy rose
Talon kidnapped him i think
im pretty sure talon manipulates him and stuff. but idk if he actually does missions with talon in the field or if he’s just a scientist
like he’s pretty fucking powerful, so im sure he would go into battle with reaper and co
limpid agate
He doesnt know he is employed by a terrorist organization
We dont know if he goes into the field or not
But if he does, the implication from his trailer is that he thinks its just field testing
His mind isnt all there after all
flint epoch
Wonder why
pastel dust
He retreated into his mind mostly after the incident with the black hole
crisp hearth
Does anyone know how sigma plays into the lore of overwatch
more lore might be revealed but rn all we know is talon is using sigmas research for their own plans
and also sigma knew dr winston as a friend and stuff
topaz ledge
Yes he went to the lunar base
cedar parcel
wait a sec so sigma only visited the lunar base yea? since his work and the incident both happens in the ISS?
iron plume
we don't know exactly what he did on the lunar base but yes, his own incident happened on the orbital station
rancid hull
ok, im going insane, i swear theres a part of a video/ cinematic of reinhardt runs at bastion until he enters turret form but i cant find it, does anyone know?
peak escarp
rancid hull
YES THAT
peak escarp
it's from the Blizzconline behind the scenes panel
limpid agate
Should be exciting
broken jewel
Rein just stands there as Bastion prepares to unload his entire clip.
So I was rewatching reunion and I realize McCree wakes up Echo. Barely tells her anything about what happened while she was asleep, and then just leaves her in some diner in the middle of nowhere.
peak escarp
Rein just stands there as Bastion prepares to unload his entire clip.
Bastion isn't going to fire
Bastion is backing away in fear
the storyboards show that Torbjorn shows up to defuse the situation
elder sandal
At least OW2 Story mode will be available all the time and not only available in events like OW
peak escarp
yeah
finite urchin
Rein just stands there as Bastion prepares to unload his entire clip.
rein's ptsd wasn't kicking in, he just wanted to be dramatic and ran at bastion, stopping only when he was within hammer range
peak escarp
Rein doesn't have PTSD
finite urchin
how do you know that?
peak escarp
because he hasn't shown any symptoms
D.Va and Soldier don't either
the nearest are Baptiste and Bastion (but Bastion is a robot)
peak escarp
a narrative flashback is not the same as a character having a flashback
other symptoms include being easily startled, not sleeping well, nightmares relating to the event, avoidance of anything related to the event, anxiety, irritability and hopelessness
finite urchin
wow never knew they could do that
limpid agate
Bastion was twitchy when there was a woodpecker
And mowed down the whole forest
Because the woodpecker sounded like bullets
finite urchin
yeah so that's ptsd
limpid agate
And Baptiste wakes up with cold sweats and panic
peak escarp
limpid agate
To look at others
D.Va calmly remembered the events of a mission that nearly failed and injured her whole team
Jack is a light sleeper. Just a light sleeper.
peak escarp
he was also injured
limpid agate
And Rein is engaging in battle mode when he sees the most infamous killer robot while on a crusade against killer robots
finite urchin
where he was pretty much the only survivor
finite urchin
there were other survivors
only surviving crusader
peak escarp
and? not everyone who goes through traumatic events end up with PTSD
Reinhardt has other issues that have been alluded to
finite urchin
Reinhardt has other issues that have been alluded to
such as?
peak escarp
Brigitte described him as having "an active imagination" in Dragon Slayer
in Storm Rising, Mercy alludes to his forced retirement (which is also mentioned in his bio)
and Sombra has an interaction that implies there is more to his retirement than Brigitte knows
finite urchin
so you're saying he wants to fight bastion
peak escarp
it's possible Reinhardt has some kind of brain damage, the kind that football players with multiple concussions tend to get
finite urchin
and you're saying that reinhardt imagines bastion as some kinda boss battle
peak escarp
or maybe dementia/alzheimers
I'm not saying that
when he sees Bastion in Torb's workship, he charges at him because he remembers fighting them during the crisis and expects Bastion to be as violent as they all were
he doesn't need to imagine that part - the Bastions were literal war machines
cosmic crest
There is also a Null Sector invasion going on, who have been known to use Bastion units in the past.
limpid agate
And Rein is engaging in battle mode when he sees the most infamous killer robot while on a crusade against killer robots
That's not PTSD
peak escarp
it's like someone who was attacked by dogs as a child getting defensive when they see another dog years later
limpid agate
Its more like pulling a gun on someone speaking German while in France in World War 2.
peak escarp
Reinhardt's reaction is justified and logical
limpid agate
He is literally at war with a faction made up entirely of Bastion's kind.
And Bastion is the most famous model of killing machine.
He has reasonable reactions to them too in Uprising
pastel dust
I don't think Rein is actually confirmed to not have PTSD, but he's not confirmed to have PTSD either
limpid agate
!!wiki Uprising/Quotes
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limpid agate
if a character isn't confirmed to have something, it's best to assume they don't have it
pastel dust
if a character isn't confirmed to have something, it's best to assume they don't...
That's true, but I personally think he has at least a little PTSD, because all of the other crusaders were brutally gunned down by Bastions, there's at least a little trauma there.
limpid agate
This isnt some random omnic he saw in a park
This is literally a machine that was built for killing, in the middle of a war against machines built for killing
pastel dust
not all people who experience trauma end up with PTSD
That is true, that's why I assume Soldier 76 dosen't have it'
peak escarp
I assume Soldier doesn't have it because he hasn't shown any symptoms of it
limpid agate
Its not PTSD to see something that is identical to the things currently and very actively trying to kill you appear, and to react defensively .
peak escarp
the writing team is at least smart enough not to toss around serious mental health diagnoses like PTSD casually
if they need a hero to suffer from something, they make it up
broken jewel
D.Va and Soldier don't either
DVA showed some hints of trauma in her shooting stars cinematic
peak escarp
like chronal dissociation
peak escarp
DVA showed some hints of trauma in her shooting stars cinematic
she experienced trauma, and was affected by it
that's not the same as having PTSD
if she did have PTSD, she wouldn't run off by herself to fight the very things that gave her trauma in the first place
if you want a good example of trauma and PTSD handled really well in pop culture, look at Tony Stark in Iron Man 3
broken jewel
if they need a hero to suffer from something, they make it up
Doesn’t Sym have autism?
peak escarp
yes
fluid sierra
if you want a good example of trauma and PTSD handled really well in pop culture...
agreed
limpid agate
For a video game example, Gears of War is a big one.
twilit geode
overwatch 2: finally getting some zenyatta lore
peak escarp
we have some Zenyatta lore already
sleek trellis
is there a picture of the cart director in Hollywood map?
all i know is his name is HAL-fred Glitchbot
peak escarp
and the windows of the limo are opaque so we can't see him in there
lunar otter
So I start school today again. And it made me think are any of the Overwatch characters in school, like college or high school or anything.
peak escarp
many of them did attend university, to get degrees
Moira, Mercy, Mei and Sigma all have doctorates
compact cobalt
There’s no children in the cast besides ball right