#lore-discussion | Overwatch | Page 618

desert yacht Jul 25, 2021, 2:32 AM

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maybe rein sustains a major injury and needs to be in the hospital for a bit and brig has to develop independently

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something like that

lunar otter Jul 25, 2021, 2:42 AM

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desert yacht maybe rein sustains a major injury and needs to be in the hospital for a bit and...

He is getting old

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So ya never know

compact cobalt Jul 25, 2021, 2:43 AM

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Rein is the type to literally never quit

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As the voice line goes

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“I will fight till my last breath”

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I think that’s a voiceline at least

desert yacht Jul 25, 2021, 2:45 AM

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if he breaks his leg he will probably take a few months off

peak escarp Jul 25, 2021, 2:45 AM

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toxic sinew Jul 25, 2021, 2:49 AM

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peak escarp

You sure you don’t want to sit this out?

lunar otter Jul 25, 2021, 2:49 AM

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Well yea of course cause that's who my. guy is but I was just saying he's getting older and older lol

peak escarp Jul 25, 2021, 2:49 AM

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I agree, it would nice to see Brigitte have some time away from Reinhardt to develop independantly

lunar otter Jul 25, 2021, 2:50 AM

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For me she's eh

stuck oyster Jul 25, 2021, 2:54 AM

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to me, brig is just a side character in other heroes' stories

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and I think she'll continue to be like that in ow2

lunar otter Jul 25, 2021, 2:54 AM

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yeah me too

peak escarp Jul 25, 2021, 2:55 AM

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most of the heroes are side characters

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OW2 is the opportunity to become more than that

lunar otter Jul 25, 2021, 2:57 AM

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To be honest, there isn't exactly a main Character

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Just some of them are more important then others

peak escarp Jul 25, 2021, 2:57 AM

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Winston and Tracer are the closest thing we have to main characters

lunar otter Jul 25, 2021, 2:58 AM

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Yea and outta both of those I say Winston is

stuck oyster Jul 25, 2021, 2:58 AM

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I wonder if Soldier got the recall notice

peak escarp Jul 25, 2021, 2:58 AM

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he knows about it

lunar otter Jul 25, 2021, 2:58 AM

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I believe he did

peak escarp Jul 25, 2021, 2:58 AM

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but he didn't get it directly

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they think he's dead

lunar otter Jul 25, 2021, 2:59 AM

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Didn't he say to just let Winston play hero himself

peak escarp Jul 25, 2021, 2:59 AM

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it's not exactly a secret - Baptiste learns about it from some teens in his clinic

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One of the teens against the wall straightened up. “I heard Overwatch is back,” she said. Her friends looked
up, too. They’d grown up so fast while he was away. He remembered them running around the neighborhood,
still in primary school, the last time he visited. Four years ago, right before he left Talon.
Baptiste leaned on the counter. “Is that so? And where did you hear that, Esther?”
Esther shrugged, glancing back down at her phone. “It’s all over the net if you know where to look.”
“You shouldn’t believe everything you read online,” Baptiste said with an easy grin. But he understood; he’d
dreamed about Overwatch when he was a teenager, too. He had believed in shining heroes, like the ones on TV
and recruitment posters, who kept the peace and protected people around the world.```

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and this was only two days after Winston sent out the recall message

lunar otter Jul 25, 2021, 3:02 AM

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lunar otter Didn't he say to just let Winston play hero himself

Yes?

stuck oyster Jul 25, 2021, 3:04 AM

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In the ow universe, there's so many kids who look up to them as "shining heroes" and dreamed of joining the org
I wish we had some characters that were the opposite of that, kids during the glory days of Overwatch that despised the organization

peak escarp Jul 25, 2021, 3:06 AM

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there probably are

lunar otter Jul 25, 2021, 3:06 AM

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I understand that

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What's Lucia's story

peak escarp Jul 25, 2021, 3:09 AM

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Lucio's?

lunar otter Jul 25, 2021, 3:10 AM

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Yea

stuck oyster Jul 25, 2021, 3:10 AM

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His dad worked for Vishkar. They stole his father's research. Lucio stole it back and is now kind of like a freedom fighter sticking up for the little man against big corporations

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That's why Symmetra and Lucio have beef

peak escarp Jul 25, 2021, 3:11 AM

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he was also a small-time DJ before leading the rebellion against Vishkar, and his notoriety from that gained him international fame

lunar otter Jul 25, 2021, 3:11 AM

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They have beef?!

stuck oyster Jul 25, 2021, 3:11 AM

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he's also a dj

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Sym works for Vishkar

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Lucio hates Vishkar

peak escarp Jul 25, 2021, 3:11 AM

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stuck oyster Jul 25, 2021, 3:11 AM

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they have beef

peak escarp Jul 25, 2021, 3:12 AM

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stuck oyster Jul 25, 2021, 3:12 AM

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Sym sounding like the CCP

peak escarp Jul 25, 2021, 3:13 AM

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she's heavily indoctrinated into Vishkar's belief of order above all

lunar otter Jul 25, 2021, 3:13 AM

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Ahhhh

stuck oyster Jul 25, 2021, 3:14 AM

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Sym's whole backstory is kinda lame ngl

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not much of a backstory to begin with

peak escarp Jul 25, 2021, 3:14 AM

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she was taken from poverty to work for an international corporation because of her talent at manipulating hard light through dance

stuck oyster Jul 25, 2021, 3:15 AM

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and honestly, I'd love to see a Sym that works with Talon
Corrupt Vishkar higher-ups dealing with Doomfist and Talon, sending Sym out on missions to counter Overwatch

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Under false pretenses of course

peak escarp Jul 25, 2021, 3:15 AM

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I'd rather see her find out that her boss is corrupt and work with Overwatch to try to undo the damage

stuck oyster Jul 25, 2021, 3:15 AM

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She'd just believe what her bosses told her

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I'd want her to figure that out after she already does something horrible

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Imagine she kills an OG overwatch member, and then she finds out she was just a pawn

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I want real character development

peak escarp Jul 25, 2021, 3:17 AM

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well, she did kinda already help blow up a poor neighbourhood and permanently scar a child

stuck oyster Jul 25, 2021, 3:17 AM

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Something that actually pertains to the main plot

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I've been dying for more antiheroes in the story too

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People who don't like Overwatch or Talon, but would much rather not have Doomfist leading the criminal world

peak escarp Jul 25, 2021, 3:18 AM

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we have Soldier and Ana filling that niche

stuck oyster Jul 25, 2021, 3:18 AM

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Eh

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But I doubt Blizzard is going to be doing anything out of the ordinary with Solider and Ana

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like it's obvious they're going with Overwatch over Talon

peak escarp Jul 25, 2021, 3:21 AM

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they both seem pretty done with Overwatch

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before we leave, Jack,” Ana said. “I’m going with you, but I’m
not convinced that this is a good idea at all. Talon, Overwatch,
Gabriel… I already let go of them. It hurt.” She paused. “When I
first came to the necropolis, most of the artifacts I found were
ruined. I saved what I could, but I had to leave the rest. That’s
what’s most important, Commander.”```

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up with Winston? You think the same people who brought down Overwatch won’t
take him down, too?”```

stuck oyster Jul 25, 2021, 3:21 AM

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Yeah, but they aren't going to join Talon, especially with my favourite character that Reaper guy on Talon's end

peak escarp Jul 25, 2021, 3:22 AM

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you just said you wanted someone who wasn't on either side

stuck oyster Jul 25, 2021, 3:22 AM

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I want someone who'd fight with Overwatch simply because they don't like Talon

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Someone who isn't obvious

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Someone new

peak escarp Jul 25, 2021, 3:23 AM

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I think Maximilien will betray Talon and go to Overwatch, offering them insider info/financial support against Talon

stuck oyster Jul 25, 2021, 3:23 AM

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He already did

peak escarp Jul 25, 2021, 3:24 AM

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he's still with Talon though

stuck oyster Jul 25, 2021, 3:24 AM

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He took Overwatch's deal
Doomfist's location for his freedom

peak escarp Jul 25, 2021, 3:24 AM

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Doomfist goes to him after busting out of jail

stuck oyster Jul 25, 2021, 3:24 AM

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Max is an interesting guy

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I just had the best idea for a hero ever

peak escarp Jul 25, 2021, 3:25 AM

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I get the feeling Doomfist knows Max ratted him out

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and he's just waiting for Max to slip up again

stuck oyster Jul 25, 2021, 3:25 AM

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It would be interesting if Max is acting as a double agent for the government

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Because I doubt they'd let him get off so easily

peak escarp Jul 25, 2021, 3:26 AM

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why not? Max wasn't their target, he was just an informant

stuck oyster Jul 25, 2021, 3:26 AM

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That's exactly a reason to use him.

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Why just let him go? Milk him for his worth.

peak escarp Jul 25, 2021, 3:27 AM

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because he cooperated and held up his end of the deal

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also what government? Overwatch wasn't working for any government

lunar otter Jul 25, 2021, 3:50 AM

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stuck oyster like it's obvious they're going with Overwatch over Talon

Or maybe they start a brand new group

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I mean, it's the strike commander and the second in command right there together

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They may just start their own thing

compact cobalt Jul 25, 2021, 4:36 AM

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peak escarp I get the feeling Doomfist knows Max ratted him out

Even if he knew I doubt doomfist would be too mad about it

peak escarp Jul 25, 2021, 4:37 AM

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not angry, but he'll remember

lunar otter Jul 25, 2021, 8:09 AM

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Hanzo is definitely not joining talon

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You don't have the characters talk to each other before a match.

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Doom fist, talked to him saying that he would be good with them, and he replied with no, that would not be the best arrangement for me, why would I do such a thing I'm going to follow my own path.

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Or something like that, I don't think he's gonna be joining talon at all

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Nor overwatch

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Well maybe overwatch that'd be cool

cedar parcel Jul 25, 2021, 2:50 PM

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He'd prolly join to help cause of Genji in some missions, he wouldn't refer himself as an Overwatch agent tho I think

peak escarp Jul 25, 2021, 5:24 PM

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Hanzo is searching for purpose, something that can regain his honor

worthy rose Jul 25, 2021, 10:03 PM

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Who would you consider the "main" cast? The most likely to have most story involvement in OW2

opaque tundra Jul 25, 2021, 10:04 PM

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winston, tracer, genji, reinhardt, aka the popular heroes part of ow2 and maybe sojourn since she's being hyped up a lot

worthy rose Jul 25, 2021, 10:14 PM

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If nothing else Sojourn and Tracer lol

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76 (and ana?) are def gonna get some limelight prolly

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And Reaper by extension

peak escarp Jul 25, 2021, 10:47 PM

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the Old Soldiers storyline is a B plot

worthy rose Jul 25, 2021, 10:53 PM

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torb jydforn

limpid agate Jul 25, 2021, 10:54 PM

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worthy rose Who would you consider the "main" cast? The most likely to have most story invol...

Tracer, Winston, Mei, Genji, Mercy, Rein, Brig, Echo.

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They are the core Overwatch team as of Zero Hour

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Others will either join, or just help for one mission

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But those 8 should be there for the whole story campaign

worthy rose Jul 25, 2021, 10:55 PM

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seems logical enough

worn island Jul 26, 2021, 1:49 AM

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yeah i do wonder if lucio is just there for rio or if he'll stick most of the way through

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or you know, blow up on the ship

peak escarp Jul 26, 2021, 1:50 AM

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he won't blow up on the ship

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that scene was a placeholder

limpid agate Jul 26, 2021, 2:00 AM

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Its suggested he will join and stick around

stuck oyster Jul 26, 2021, 2:07 AM

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In the Overwatch announcement cinematic, we could see Pharah and Bastion alongside other heroes like Reinhardt and Winston whilst introducing what Overwatch is.
Is it safe to assume that's been retconned?

peak escarp Jul 26, 2021, 2:08 AM

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more like it was never canon

iron plume Jul 26, 2021, 2:08 AM

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Yeah that wasn't

stuck oyster Jul 26, 2021, 2:08 AM

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I'm not a lore person

peak escarp Jul 26, 2021, 2:10 AM

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basically, they made that trailer before they had completely nailed down what the lore was going to be

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so they just took the designs they had and stuck them all together to create an image of heroes

stuck oyster Jul 26, 2021, 2:16 AM

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are there any actual pieces of canon lore that have been retconned?

peak escarp Jul 26, 2021, 2:17 AM

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a few

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D.Va being a StarCraft pro, Mei being found frozen

languid solstice Jul 26, 2021, 2:19 AM

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What?

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Reaper being a double agent for Overwatch and Talon... with loyalty to Overwatch?

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Do you have the slightest idea of how crazy that sounds?

limpid agate Jul 26, 2021, 2:20 AM

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... What?

languid solstice Jul 26, 2021, 2:20 AM

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A theory.

limpid agate Jul 26, 2021, 2:20 AM

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I dont think anyone said that.

languid solstice Jul 26, 2021, 2:20 AM

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A way to say "Hello". I'm a newcomer :D

stuck oyster Jul 26, 2021, 2:21 AM

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peak escarp D.Va being a StarCraft pro, Mei being found frozen

I always thought D.Va being a StarCraft pro was just a developer joke

peak escarp Jul 26, 2021, 2:21 AM

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it was revealed at Blizzcon

limpid agate Jul 26, 2021, 2:21 AM

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Yeah, many people here agree its a dumb theory.

languid solstice Jul 26, 2021, 2:22 AM

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Oh...

limpid agate Jul 26, 2021, 2:22 AM

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Its mostly just something people try to use to explain why Reaper is suddenly a bad guy despite being a good guy.

languid solstice Jul 26, 2021, 2:22 AM

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So, I'm not the only one who thought about that.

limpid agate Jul 26, 2021, 2:22 AM

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Or rather, for someone who was so anti-Talon to suddenly be part of Talon

stuck oyster Jul 26, 2021, 2:22 AM

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Reaper is a mass murderer, he's not going back to Overwatch

languid solstice Jul 26, 2021, 2:23 AM

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... or someone who, back in the Blackwatch days, did what he want, not owing any type of explanations to anyone.

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And a guy who has a moral, WAAAAY to questionable.

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Don't know. Just want to know what people here think about it and why he isn't.

stuck oyster Jul 26, 2021, 2:24 AM

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I wonder if Sombra would give up information on Talon if someone made a good enough offer
Like how Max did in Storm Rising

peak escarp Jul 26, 2021, 2:24 AM

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Reyes had strong morals, he was just willing to do what needed to be done

worthy rose Jul 26, 2021, 2:25 AM

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Do we still even know the full story?, All I remember is an explosion badly hurt Reyes, he resented Morrison because he was leader aaaaand, he was experimented on by Moira. I also remember in one of the comics Reaper was going on about how they are they are the reason he's in his current state, they being overwatch, and in a Mercy Reaper interaction Mercy asked him "what happened to you?" And Reaper says "you tell me, Doc"

stuck oyster Jul 26, 2021, 2:25 AM

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wrong person

peak escarp Jul 26, 2021, 2:25 AM

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in a Mercy Reaper interaction Mercy asked him "what happened to you?" And Reaper says "you tell me, Doc"

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what does that have to do with anything?

languid solstice Jul 26, 2021, 2:26 AM

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And if making believe Talon that Overwatch was done for, but REALLY luring everyone, aside Morrison that that's what happened?

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Sry for the shitty english, I'm latin.

worthy rose Jul 26, 2021, 2:27 AM

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Well to me that sounds like Reaper is claiming Mercy is playing dumb with him

languid solstice Jul 26, 2021, 2:27 AM

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In the Bastet comic, Morrison went to chase Reyes... but when he came back, he didn't spill the guts on what happened.

peak escarp Jul 26, 2021, 2:27 AM

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he's suggesting that she's a doctor and would be able to explain it better than her

languid solstice Jul 26, 2021, 2:27 AM

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Only Reaper and him knew what happened there.

languid solstice Jul 26, 2021, 2:28 AM

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peak escarp he's suggesting that she's a doctor and would be able to explain it better than ...

I thought just the same.

worthy rose Jul 26, 2021, 2:29 AM

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Hm, maybe that is the case. I'm a chronic overthinker

languid solstice Jul 26, 2021, 2:29 AM

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worthy rose Hm, maybe that is the case. I'm a chronic overthinker

Hi 5's! We're 2 already, lol

worthy rose Jul 26, 2021, 2:30 AM

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👊😂

languid solstice Jul 26, 2021, 2:31 AM

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😂👊

peak escarp Jul 26, 2021, 2:31 AM

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it is very clear that Mercy knows nothing about his current situation and that Moira is the only person who is

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in Valkyrie she was shocked to learn that he was still alive

languid solstice Jul 26, 2021, 2:34 AM

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Besiiiiiides...

worthy rose Jul 26, 2021, 2:34 AM

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I'm hazy on alot of the cinematics and shorts

peak escarp Jul 26, 2021, 2:35 AM

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languid solstice Jul 26, 2021, 2:35 AM

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For Reyes, being a guy who always answered for his actions... then later he blames Overwatch for a "Rebellion" HE started against his "Former" friend?

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I don't know, Rick...

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Or more precisely: He blames Overwatch for the aftermath of said "Rebellion"

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Talk about personality switchs...

peak escarp Jul 26, 2021, 2:36 AM

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what rebellion?

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he didn't rebel against Overwatch

languid solstice Jul 26, 2021, 2:36 AM

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If I remember correctly, Reyes was against Morrison's leadership

worthy rose Jul 26, 2021, 2:37 AM

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He never started a mutiny though

peak escarp Jul 26, 2021, 2:37 AM

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he was fine with Morrison being leader

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Reyes didn't want the red tape and bureaucracy

languid solstice Jul 26, 2021, 2:37 AM

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Oh, ok. That must have been a fake info, then, lol

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Even then

peak escarp Jul 26, 2021, 2:38 AM

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well, not entirely fake

languid solstice Jul 26, 2021, 2:39 AM

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Reyes knew what he was doing being in Overwatch. And knew the world was already keeping tabs on him after the Rialto disaster

peak escarp Jul 26, 2021, 2:39 AM

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in-universe, the public believed that Reyes hated Morrison, and caused a rebellion

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but we know better

languid solstice Jul 26, 2021, 2:39 AM

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He could really blame Overwatch for all the consequenses he just brought after himself, including the explosion?

worthy rose Jul 26, 2021, 2:40 AM

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That's where Reaper lost me, from what i can see Overwatch didn't cause the explosion

languid solstice Jul 26, 2021, 2:40 AM

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peak escarp but we know better

Ohhhh, that's when I mistook the lore. My bad.

languid solstice Jul 26, 2021, 2:42 AM

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worthy rose That's where Reaper lost me, from what i can see Overwatch didn't cause the expl...

Couldn't be a surprise that the explosion was caused -again- for Talon, being Reyes already an insider.

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By* Talon. Sry again.

worthy rose Jul 26, 2021, 2:43 AM

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That would be an interesting twist

languid solstice Jul 26, 2021, 2:44 AM

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Believe me, the most I think about it, the most sense it makes to me.

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The MORE sense... dammit.

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I need to sleep.

worthy rose Jul 26, 2021, 2:46 AM

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I can see reapers character arc going down the anti villain route

languid solstice Jul 26, 2021, 2:47 AM

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That's what I meant with the "Questionable moral"

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Strong indeed, but questionable.

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The type of "I've killed innocent people, yes... but that needed to be done for something greater even than my own morals"

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And at the same time, Morrison knew the only one who could do such a flawless work was Reyes himself. He had proven enough of it back in Rialto

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Thus McCree thinking "I think that's when everything began to go wrong"

peak escarp Jul 26, 2021, 2:51 AM

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Reyes was usually the type to make plans and stick to them

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before Retribution and afterwards, as Reaper

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Sombra comments on it

worthy rose Jul 26, 2021, 2:53 AM

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If you do not bend, you will break

languid solstice Jul 26, 2021, 2:53 AM

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peak escarp

McCree would STRONGLY agree with that, lmao

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"Overwatch... I'll put an end to your sad story."

worthy rose Jul 26, 2021, 2:54 AM

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I mean it is a sad story

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And I imagine the tragedies gonna keep coming

languid solstice Jul 26, 2021, 2:55 AM

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That could even mean "I'll put an end to the sad story Talon make you to be..." rather than "I'll finish what I started."

worthy rose Jul 26, 2021, 2:55 AM

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Cough Rein dying cough

languid solstice Jul 26, 2021, 2:55 AM

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Rein charging to his death*

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And Balderich in the afterlife:

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"Dude. Am I a joke to you?"

worthy rose Jul 26, 2021, 2:56 AM

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Reins ghost talking to the other characters after he dies:Guys! Why didn't you follow up my shatter!

peak escarp Jul 26, 2021, 3:02 AM

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Reaper wants to wipe out Overwatch

stuck oyster Jul 26, 2021, 3:03 AM

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jealous much

languid solstice Jul 26, 2021, 3:04 AM

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He wanted to wipe out Talon too

worthy rose Jul 26, 2021, 3:04 AM

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Talon needs a new hiring process, 2 of their members on the inner council are really only using Talons influence and resources to push their agenda

languid solstice Jul 26, 2021, 3:04 AM

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Aaaaaaand here we are 😁

peak escarp Jul 26, 2021, 3:04 AM

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he changed his mind

stuck oyster Jul 26, 2021, 3:05 AM

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Reaper hates Overwatch more than he dislikes Talon now

worthy rose Jul 26, 2021, 3:05 AM

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Reaper wants every overwatch member dead, Moira just wants to science stuff

stuck oyster Jul 26, 2021, 3:05 AM

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Moira just doesn't like ethics

languid solstice Jul 26, 2021, 3:05 AM

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worthy rose Talon needs a new hiring process, 2 of their members on the inner council are re...

C'mon. You're not including Sombra between those 2 people, are you?

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Considering Sombra a member of them would make Talon even dumber that I think they already are, lol

worthy rose Jul 26, 2021, 3:06 AM

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Well I was only talking about those on the council, Sombra can definitely be thrown in there though

stuck oyster Jul 26, 2021, 3:06 AM

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I don't think Moira is really an evil character apart from her stance on ethics tho
I know in game whenever you have a Mercy+Moira combo, she can offer Mercy a job at Oasis, but Mercy declines
She seems to want to work with Mercy again, even if they don't agree on everything

languid solstice Jul 26, 2021, 3:07 AM

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stuck oyster Reaper hates Overwatch more than he dislikes Talon now

A deformed face over an organization that wants a global conflict? Really?

worthy rose Jul 26, 2021, 3:07 AM

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What a out the mei/Moira interaction?, It kinda sounds like Moira is straight up mocking mei because her friends are dead

languid solstice Jul 26, 2021, 3:07 AM

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From the guy who, literally, KILLED a high rank member of Talon just because he couldn't bring him to justice by legal means?

stuck oyster Jul 26, 2021, 3:07 AM

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I never said she was a good guy either

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I guess Moira would look at what happened to Mei's friends as "collateral damage in the name of science"

languid solstice Jul 26, 2021, 3:08 AM

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stuck oyster I don't think Moira is really an evil character apart from her stance on ethics ...

Moira is a scientist who try to push science to it's real reach, without the "Pesky" ethics.

stuck oyster Jul 26, 2021, 3:09 AM

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Reaper killed him because the Justice system in Italy in corrupt
So he'd rather kill him than let him continue

languid solstice Jul 26, 2021, 3:09 AM

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I think she's way over good or bad.

stuck oyster Jul 26, 2021, 3:10 AM

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I think there should also be a proper distinction between Reaper and Reyes as characters
They're both the same person, but very different in personality and morals

worthy rose Jul 26, 2021, 3:10 AM

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Moira's evil in the game though, an aggressive Moira player is surprisingly scary-

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If their good-

languid solstice Jul 26, 2021, 3:10 AM

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stuck oyster Reaper killed him because the Justice system in Italy in corrupt So he'd rather ...

My point exactly.

stuck oyster Jul 26, 2021, 3:10 AM

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A lot of things and interactions happen in the game that aren't canon

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In the game, Rein knows Ana is alive
In the story, he doesn't

languid solstice Jul 26, 2021, 3:11 AM

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And he wants to destroy Overwatch... for being deformed and getting shut down as an organization?

worthy rose Jul 26, 2021, 3:11 AM

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He wants to kill all the members who slipped through the cracks

stuck oyster Jul 26, 2021, 3:11 AM

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He wants Overwatch and it's members gone because he's held a grudge

languid solstice Jul 26, 2021, 3:12 AM

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I see that more like a "Sacrificing a few irrelevant sheeps to keep my cover as a Talon operative"

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After all, he invaded Watchpoint: Gibraltar with Talon, not on his own.

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And from where he recovered data of former agents of Overwatch? That's right...

worthy rose Jul 26, 2021, 3:14 AM

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Sounds like something Sombra could do. Reaper did say she has her uses

languid solstice Jul 26, 2021, 3:15 AM

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If his grudge was personal. Wouldn't had more sense, precisely, have Sombra hacking the OW's data base?

stuck oyster Jul 26, 2021, 3:15 AM

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Overwatch doesn't exist

languid solstice Jul 26, 2021, 3:15 AM

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Not going with some random Talon dudes.

stuck oyster Jul 26, 2021, 3:15 AM

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there's nothing for Sombra to hack

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Like literally, Zero Hour like just happened in the timeline I believe

languid solstice Jul 26, 2021, 3:16 AM

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Well... the Gibraltar data base. You know what I meant.

stuck oyster Jul 26, 2021, 3:16 AM

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Gibraltar has been around for years, I'd be surprised if she hadn't gotten in already

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I think a good plot point for ow2 would be Sombra hacking Athena and using her as a spyware

languid solstice Jul 26, 2021, 3:17 AM

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That would be interesting...

worthy rose Jul 26, 2021, 3:17 AM

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Sombra got alot of potential

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In terms of like, how dangerous she can be

languid solstice Jul 26, 2021, 3:17 AM

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But Winston could have some ways to protect that IA. He's not that ingenue.

worthy rose Jul 26, 2021, 3:17 AM

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He just gotta dive on her, problem solved

languid solstice Jul 26, 2021, 3:18 AM

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worthy rose In terms of like, how dangerous she can be

Oh, she's more dangerous than Talon even thinks she is.

peak escarp Jul 26, 2021, 3:18 AM

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I don't think Sombra could hack Athena, that's why Reaper needed that device

stuck oyster Jul 26, 2021, 3:18 AM

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If Reaper couldn't do it, I bet Sombra could

languid solstice Jul 26, 2021, 3:19 AM

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peak escarp I don't think Sombra could hack Athena, that's why Reaper needed that device

And yet, why involving Talon? He could singlehandedly stop Winston. He did it twice, already.

stuck oyster Jul 26, 2021, 3:19 AM

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Sombra's can get her hands in almost everything it seems

languid solstice Jul 26, 2021, 3:20 AM

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I mean... he could even kill him. And yet he preferred to knock him out when he was at his mercy.

worthy rose Jul 26, 2021, 3:20 AM

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Sombra can hack Volskyaa tech, which I imagine is heavily guarded

languid solstice Jul 26, 2021, 3:22 AM

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"I thought this was supposed to be the most advanced security system on the planet"

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She, literally, just said that xD

worthy rose Jul 26, 2021, 3:22 AM

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Oh yeah that line

languid solstice Jul 26, 2021, 3:27 AM

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stuck oyster Gibraltar has been around for years, I'd be surprised if she hadn't gotten in al...

Maybe she was. Don't forget she knows about Genji, McCree, Tracer and some other OW agents I can't recall at this moment

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I mean... she knows details of their lives that even their former comrades didn't knew, lol

peak escarp Jul 26, 2021, 3:31 AM

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languid solstice And yet, why involving Talon? He could singlehandedly stop Winston. He did it tw...

because Reaper is a Talon Leader

languid solstice Jul 26, 2021, 3:31 AM

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peak escarp because Reaper is a Talon Leader

More reason to go on his own, without having to tell anyone wth was he going to do, lol

peak escarp Jul 26, 2021, 3:32 AM

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he brought backup because he knew how much of a threat Winston is

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Winston did defeat Doomfist, after all

languid solstice Jul 26, 2021, 3:32 AM

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Yeah... but Doomfist can't become intangible nor has heavy firepower at his disposal.

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Winston can stand a bitchslap or two from someone like Doomfist...

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But no one wants to be showered with shotgun blasts, no matter how threatening they are... 😅

worthy rose Jul 26, 2021, 3:36 AM

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Remember the museum Cinematic?, Winston was straight eating Reapers shots, and he just charged right into his death blossom, which was quite impressive.

peak escarp Jul 26, 2021, 3:37 AM

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Winston has armor

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both literal armor and plot armor

languid solstice Jul 26, 2021, 3:38 AM

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It really was... but eventually he fell after Reaper focus fire of the DB on him

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And, again, Reaper has a lot of mobility, along with intangibility

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Either he didn't kill Winston for the sake of the trama, or bc he didn't want to kill him at all.

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You choose, lol

peak escarp Jul 26, 2021, 3:41 AM

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he didn't kill Winston because he stopped to gloat

languid solstice Jul 26, 2021, 3:41 AM

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DUDE

peak escarp Jul 26, 2021, 3:41 AM

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Reaper's weakness is being dramatic

languid solstice Jul 26, 2021, 3:41 AM

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WHY GLOATING WHEN YOU HAVE SUCH A MENACE BEFORE YOUR VERY DISFIGURED EYES?!

peak escarp Jul 26, 2021, 3:42 AM

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because Reaper is a cartoon villain and the good guys have to win

languid solstice Jul 26, 2021, 3:42 AM

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peak escarp Reaper's weakness is being dramatic

Oh, that could be more possible, lol

peak escarp Jul 26, 2021, 3:42 AM

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he's a very theatrical person

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everything is about creating his image of an undead wraith with a tortured existence

languid solstice Jul 26, 2021, 3:44 AM

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peak escarp because Reaper is a cartoon villain and the good guys have to win

In other words, he didn't kill the ~~monkey~~ scientist because of trama, lmao

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I could accept that... but what a joke, from Blizzard, lol

worthy rose Jul 26, 2021, 3:47 AM

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Yes if only Reaper was less dramatic and theatrical he would be even deadlier

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Fuck that that's what I love about him

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His voice is great too

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Reaper in lore is very Op, he can go wraith form whenever and for as long as he wants, and it seems he has more range with his guns

peak escarp Jul 26, 2021, 4:02 AM

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wraith is a great defensive ability, but he's harmless in wraith

worthy rose Jul 26, 2021, 4:08 AM

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It's a fair trade I'd say

lunar otter Jul 26, 2021, 4:47 AM

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But Winston did defeat Reaper right?

peak escarp Jul 26, 2021, 4:47 AM

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yes

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twice

worthy rose Jul 26, 2021, 5:13 AM

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Question
I just realized

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In that pic why does everyone look normal age but 76 and Ana

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Or am I dumb and missing something

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Cause all of their ages don't look consistent to me

peak escarp Jul 26, 2021, 5:14 AM

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this was taken in the last few years of Overwatch, after Tracer's first mission (7 years ago) but before Reinhardt's forced retirement and Ana going MIA (6 years ago)

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so Ana would be 54, Jack and Torbjorn would be 51, Reinhardt would be 55, Mercy would be 31, Genji would be 29, Winston would be 23, and Tracer would be 20

worthy rose Jul 26, 2021, 5:17 AM

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Oh maybe not

peak escarp Jul 26, 2021, 5:17 AM

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we don't know Sojourn's age

worthy rose Jul 26, 2021, 5:17 AM

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Wtf jack is 51 in that pic??

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He looks early 40s to me

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Jeez

peak escarp Jul 26, 2021, 5:18 AM

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he's also a supersoldier

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that could have prevented him from greying young

worthy rose Jul 26, 2021, 5:18 AM

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No yeah but the stark difference between his lpok and 76

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7 years is awhile though..

peak escarp Jul 26, 2021, 5:18 AM

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getting blown up is stressful, and stress ages people

worthy rose Jul 26, 2021, 5:18 AM

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He aged quick, damn

stuck oyster Jul 26, 2021, 5:20 AM

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silver fox

peak escarp Jul 26, 2021, 5:21 AM

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compare to Uprising:

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he's still blondish here

worthy rose Jul 26, 2021, 5:21 AM

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Are the comics worth visitinf?

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As in like

peak escarp Jul 26, 2021, 5:22 AM

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they are where most of the lore is

stuck oyster Jul 26, 2021, 5:22 AM

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depends

worthy rose Jul 26, 2021, 5:22 AM

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I was only gonna watch the hero and lore cinematics

peak escarp Jul 26, 2021, 5:22 AM

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the comics are worth reading

worthy rose Jul 26, 2021, 5:22 AM

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Hm

stuck oyster Jul 26, 2021, 5:22 AM

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did we ever find out what cree was doing in London lmao

peak escarp Jul 26, 2021, 5:23 AM

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scouting

stuck oyster Jul 26, 2021, 5:23 AM

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scouting what tho

peak escarp Jul 26, 2021, 5:23 AM

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the situation

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the King's Row Uprising had already gone on for 27 days before Overwatch stepped in

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worthy rose Jul 26, 2021, 5:25 AM

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McCree never struck me as a scouting type, does make some sense when I think about it though

peak escarp Jul 26, 2021, 5:25 AM

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McCree was Reyes' right hand man, basically his lieutenant

worthy rose Jul 26, 2021, 5:25 AM

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What did black watch do in Japan I wonder?

peak escarp Jul 26, 2021, 5:26 AM

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The global security force saw Genji as a potential asset in its ongoing operations to combat the Shimada clan.

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Transformed into a living weapon, Genji single-mindedly set about the task of dismantling his family's criminal empire.

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they took down the Shimada clan

worthy rose Jul 26, 2021, 5:27 AM

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I....I never knew that, the more you know I guess

stuck oyster Jul 26, 2021, 5:27 AM

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peak escarp McCree was Reyes' right hand man, basically his lieutenant

crazy how things changed

worthy rose Jul 26, 2021, 5:27 AM

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Sounds like a fun archives mission

peak escarp Jul 26, 2021, 5:27 AM

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I'm still waiting for them to give us the reunion between McCree and Reaper

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McCree would know it's Reyes under that mask

stuck oyster Jul 26, 2021, 5:27 AM

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Reunion? Eh, more like eventual brawl

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Put the two in a fist fight

peak escarp Jul 26, 2021, 5:28 AM

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when I first saw the title of the Reunion short, I thought that's what it would be

stuck oyster Jul 26, 2021, 5:28 AM

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Let him unmask Reyes for the world to see

worthy rose Jul 26, 2021, 5:28 AM

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I wanna see what Reyes looks like under the damn mask

stuck oyster Jul 26, 2021, 5:28 AM

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Everyone does

worthy rose Jul 26, 2021, 5:28 AM

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Hah true

stuck oyster Jul 26, 2021, 5:28 AM

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Ana being lucky and all

peak escarp Jul 26, 2021, 5:28 AM

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I think they're saving that for a big reveal

worthy rose Jul 26, 2021, 5:29 AM

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I'm willing to bet he's horribly disfigured

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It

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Red hair

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Clown lookin ass

stuck oyster Jul 26, 2021, 5:29 AM

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I think it'd be nice for Morrison and Reyes to die in a last battle against each other
like how the Swiss HQ blew up
but this time, they'd both die
it'd be a proper ending to their long conflict

worthy rose Jul 26, 2021, 5:30 AM

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Mmm idk if I want 76 or reaper to die in ow2

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Or anyone ig?

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Idk

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I saw this one fanart where someone made a pretty good guess on what he looked like imo, I probably couldn't find it though

stuck oyster Jul 26, 2021, 5:30 AM

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I think it'd fit their stories

worthy rose Jul 26, 2021, 5:30 AM

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Depends on how it's done

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They are older men

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Hm

peak escarp Jul 26, 2021, 5:30 AM

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I'd rather have it look like they're going to die, except one of them saves the other

worthy rose Jul 26, 2021, 5:30 AM

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I can reasonably see Rein, Soilder and Reaper biting the dust

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What is Reyes so bitter about OW again

peak escarp Jul 26, 2021, 5:31 AM

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and that's the turning point for them

worthy rose Jul 26, 2021, 5:31 AM

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Er, murderous

stuck oyster Jul 26, 2021, 5:31 AM

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Reyes and Morrison are pretty disillusioned with the people and world around them
It'd be like a rematch
But it ends in both of their destruction

peak escarp Jul 26, 2021, 5:31 AM

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worthy rose What is Reyes so bitter about OW again

he feels like Overwatch and Jack specifically are responsible for his current state

stuck oyster Jul 26, 2021, 5:31 AM

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he's not wrong

worthy rose Jul 26, 2021, 5:31 AM

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Oh and then Moira saved him right

peak escarp Jul 26, 2021, 5:32 AM

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worthy rose Jul 26, 2021, 5:32 AM

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Man OW2 has big shoes to fill

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Yep. And Reaper doesn't seem to grateful

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Oh shit

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That's great art

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Wait what about Ana to die

stuck oyster Jul 26, 2021, 5:32 AM

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I doubt Reaper is a redeemable character in the slightest

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I think it'd be nice for Ana's story to conclude with her actually retiring and reuniting with Fareeha

worthy rose Jul 26, 2021, 5:33 AM

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It's gonna be Overwatch game of thrones edition

peak escarp Jul 26, 2021, 5:33 AM

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I want to see Fareeha's reaction to her letter

worthy rose Jul 26, 2021, 5:33 AM

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Is Winston the new head of OW as of now?

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Like Jack's precious role

peak escarp Jul 26, 2021, 5:33 AM

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pretty much

worthy rose Jul 26, 2021, 5:34 AM

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I mean he is best choice

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And Tracer is his right hand like ana?

peak escarp Jul 26, 2021, 5:34 AM

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worthy rose Jul 26, 2021, 5:34 AM

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Imagine, the saviours of humanity were lead by a Monke

peak escarp Jul 26, 2021, 5:34 AM

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worthy rose Jul 26, 2021, 5:34 AM

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I love the voice actors omg

peak escarp Jul 26, 2021, 5:34 AM

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I love Jack's voice

worthy rose Jul 26, 2021, 5:34 AM

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They all fit the character so well

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Yes bro omg

worthy rose Jul 26, 2021, 5:35 AM

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peak escarp I love Jack's voice

Imma fanboy a lil but I get legit chills when he says I'm not a young man anymore ingame

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Badass bruh

peak escarp Jul 26, 2021, 5:35 AM

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yeah

worthy rose Jul 26, 2021, 5:35 AM

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Or when he looks at the telescope and his line there

peak escarp Jul 26, 2021, 5:36 AM

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I want Soldier to get the next novel so we can have Fred Tatasciore read the audiobook

worthy rose Jul 26, 2021, 5:36 AM

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I love how they have Soilder with such a basic batman like voice, the blizzard team knows how basic Soilder is from a gameplay perspective, and they play off it in the best ways

stuck oyster Jul 26, 2021, 5:36 AM

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I recently went back and watched the Origin stories, and man
When Doomfist rips the Anchor off of Tracer and she starts to phase out of existence, it gave me goosebumps

worthy rose Jul 26, 2021, 5:37 AM

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worthy rose I love how they have Soilder with such a basic batman like voice, the blizzard t...

'Still picking soldier I see" the line is along those lines

worthy rose Jul 26, 2021, 5:37 AM

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stuck oyster I recently went back and watched the Origin stories, and man When Doomfist rips ...

Yeah how was she even saved anyway?

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Idk how her anchor works

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I thought it was an iron man situation

peak escarp Jul 26, 2021, 5:38 AM

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Winston probably had a backup chronal accelerator somewhere

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it's not in her body, she just wears it like a harness

worthy rose Jul 26, 2021, 5:38 AM

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Oh huh

peak escarp Jul 26, 2021, 5:38 AM

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she can take it off, as long as she stays near it

worthy rose Jul 26, 2021, 5:38 AM

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I wonder how they found tracer after the Doomfist incident

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Ooh fun question

peak escarp Jul 26, 2021, 5:38 AM

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worthy rose Jul 26, 2021, 5:39 AM

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If one hero could get their own line of chapters in ow2 who would it be

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*who would you want

peak escarp Jul 26, 2021, 5:39 AM

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a bit biased, but I'd want McCree

worthy rose Jul 26, 2021, 5:40 AM

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So like mortal Kombat story mode? Where you play as one person for like....what 5 different "levels"

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Hm smtg like that

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But I mean more from a story standpoint

peak escarp Jul 26, 2021, 5:41 AM

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I'm looking forward to Bastion's part in the story

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what we've seen so far looks interesting

worthy rose Jul 26, 2021, 5:41 AM

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Idk if this deserves multiple chapters but I would love a John wick esque level with Baptiste where Talon grunts are sent after him

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Wait isn't Sigourn gonna be the new Jack

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How does that work with Winston

peak escarp Jul 26, 2021, 5:41 AM

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she might be

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she's got the experience to be the new leader

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and the clips from Blizzcon show her arguing with Reinhardt

worthy rose Jul 26, 2021, 5:42 AM

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peak escarp what we've seen so far looks interesting

Yeah, although if we are being realistic, Rein would never get that close to a bastion in turrent mode like in the short clip we saw at blizzcon 😂

peak escarp Jul 26, 2021, 5:44 AM

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worthy rose Jul 26, 2021, 5:44 AM

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Yeah that

peak escarp Jul 26, 2021, 5:44 AM

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you can see poor Bastion backing up in fear

worthy rose Jul 26, 2021, 5:44 AM

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And he is not even sheild hopping, smh

peak escarp Jul 26, 2021, 5:44 AM

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but Reinhardt hesitates because Bastion doesn't shoot

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and in the storyboards, we see Torbjorn show up to explain the situation

worthy rose Jul 26, 2021, 5:46 AM

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I'd love a little side story were Rein learns to trust bastion, because I imagine Torbs word wouldn't be enough

worthy rose Jul 26, 2021, 5:47 AM

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peak escarp and the clips from Blizzcon show her arguing with Reinhardt

is there a clip of this you can show?

peak escarp Jul 26, 2021, 5:47 AM

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there will probably be a mission with Rein, Torb, Brigitte and Bastion where Rein doesn't trust it, but ends up in a situation where Bastion has to save him

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and that earns it Reinhardt's respect

peak escarp Jul 26, 2021, 5:48 AM

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worthy rose is there a clip of this you can show?

https://youtu.be/lRj-GotnNaQ

YouTube

PlayOverwatch

BlizzConline 2021 | Behind the Scenes of Overwatch 2 | Overwatch

Group up and go behind the scenes with the Overwatch team at BlizzConline as they dive into the development process and give players a sneak peek at Overwatch 2.

00:00 - Welcome to BlizzConline
02:06 - PVP: New Maps & Role Updates
12:25 - Hero Missions
17:08 - Progression & Talents
19:21 - Enemy Units
24:47 - New Hero Looks
28:46 - Story Devel...

▶ Play video

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I think it's in the part where they talk about the story, around 28 minutes in

worthy rose Jul 26, 2021, 5:49 AM

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One of my favorite parts of that where the new enemy types, it got me excited for what the bossfights could be like and who would the bosses be?

peak escarp Jul 26, 2021, 5:49 AM

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there's your Lindholm Family mission

worthy rose Jul 26, 2021, 5:50 AM

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what i can see, rein disagrees with something soujurn is supportive of

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The entire mission is just them running a bunker comp

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either a controversial decision or maybe trusting an omnic

peak escarp Jul 26, 2021, 5:50 AM

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and we get a great hero shot of all the Overwatch-aligned heroes

worthy rose Jul 26, 2021, 5:51 AM

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is that Bap next to lucio and genji?

peak escarp Jul 26, 2021, 5:51 AM

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Winston, Mei, McCree, Reinhardt, Pharah, Brigitte, Zarya, Tracer, D.Va, Lucio, Genji, Baptiste, Mercy, Echo

worthy rose Jul 26, 2021, 5:51 AM

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Its gonna be like avengers endgame

peak escarp Jul 26, 2021, 5:52 AM

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pretty much

worthy rose Jul 26, 2021, 5:52 AM

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I wonder how they bring Zarya into it

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Talon tried to assassinate that one lady

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oh yeah in sombra's cinematic

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Her name I can't remember for the life of me, it was something Volskaya? 🤔

peak escarp Jul 26, 2021, 5:53 AM

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Katya Volskaya

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ah, here we go

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Torjborn shows up to calm things down

worthy rose Jul 26, 2021, 5:55 AM

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yeah that scene sparks a lot of interest

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it'd be odd considering bastion units killed his commander

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Thank you, another thing I just remembered is there was this one short clip where we see like Widow and Sombra in the shambali temple and Genji protecting Zenyatta, why would talon even bother with the shambali?

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Maybe they saw Jjonak gameplay

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wait that was the ORIS-15(?) alongside bastion units

peak escarp Jul 26, 2021, 5:56 AM

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worthy rose Thank you, another thing I just remembered is there was this one short clip wher...

worthy rose Jul 26, 2021, 5:57 AM

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Yeah an evil Orisa stabbed Balderich and it seemed he died from that Injury

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Rein will have a lot of trust issues against Bastion. that'd be interesting to watch develop

worthy rose Jul 26, 2021, 5:57 AM

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peak escarp

Oh yeah this REALLY peaked my interest

peak escarp Jul 26, 2021, 5:58 AM

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I'm not sure why Talon is after Zen

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I'm curious to find out

worthy rose Jul 26, 2021, 5:58 AM

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Like I said, they saw Jjonak gameplay

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What was the reason Widow killed Mondatta(?)

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im unsure if that name is correct

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To cause the kings row uprising

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Maybe their doing this for the same reason, to start another Omnic crisis

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that's what I was thinking

peak escarp Jul 26, 2021, 6:00 AM

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the King's Row Uprising was 7 years before Mondatta was assassinated

worthy rose Jul 26, 2021, 6:00 AM

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Except this time they won't stop at mondatta, they wanna massacre all the shambali

peak escarp Jul 26, 2021, 6:00 AM

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Widow shot him to try to spark more conflict between omnics and humans

worthy rose Jul 26, 2021, 6:00 AM

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maybe this is similar?

peak escarp Jul 26, 2021, 6:00 AM

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Doomfist is starting another war

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because he believes war makes humanity stronger

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and he's using Null Sector to do it

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that's why he met with that omnic at the end of Storm Rising

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worthy rose Jul 26, 2021, 6:01 AM

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Please be a new hero 🙏

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I've heard theories of that

peak escarp Jul 26, 2021, 6:02 AM

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I hope he'll be a new hero

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we need an evil omnic

worthy rose Jul 26, 2021, 6:02 AM

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if so, i'd bet on Tank

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I think that dude is the leader of null sector, just by the way Doomfist was talking to him

peak escarp Jul 26, 2021, 6:02 AM

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yeah, that's likely

worthy rose Jul 26, 2021, 6:03 AM

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If we get him and Maximilian I'll buy overwatch 2 that a deal Aaron? 😂

peak escarp Jul 26, 2021, 6:03 AM

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I doubt Maximilien will be a hero

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he's too cowardly

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but we'll see more of him in the story

worthy rose Jul 26, 2021, 6:04 AM

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You know that's a really good point-, speaking of I remember another another clip where I think it was Zarya leaving Max behind on a train or something

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And max was like "Let me in!, Let me iiiin!!"

peak escarp Jul 26, 2021, 6:05 AM

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I don't think that was him

worthy rose Jul 26, 2021, 6:06 AM

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Probably not, what would he even do in Russia besides freeze his circuits-

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I think that was just a showcase of the world around us still moving as we play the story

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Wait no!, I would feel bad!!

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that poor omnic misses the train for plot ZaryaLUL

peak escarp Jul 26, 2021, 6:07 AM

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it's an NPC

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worthy rose Jul 26, 2021, 6:08 AM

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Huh, I just saw Omnic in a suit and thought "Maximilian", also that lighting is really cool

peak escarp Jul 26, 2021, 6:08 AM

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looks very creepy

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I like it

worthy rose Jul 26, 2021, 6:09 AM

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from that image we see Sojourn and Zarya in a mission together, maybe that's how Zarya 'joins' or helps out the gang

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Zarya joins the battle!

peak escarp Jul 26, 2021, 6:09 AM

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keep in mind, this is all pre-alpha - it will likely change before final release

worthy rose Jul 26, 2021, 6:09 AM

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oh yeah

peak escarp Jul 26, 2021, 6:09 AM

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it will be interesting to see what does change

worthy rose Jul 26, 2021, 6:13 AM

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I wonder if junkrat, roadhog, Wrecking ball or others from junkertown could have relevance in the Ow2 Story

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doubtful but hopeful

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i doubt they will but i hope they will*

peak escarp Jul 26, 2021, 6:13 AM

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the devs have mentioned them specifically as heroes that will be difficult to include in the story

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so we'll have to wait and see

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them and Hanzo

worthy rose Jul 26, 2021, 6:14 AM

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Only thing I can think of is the "treasure" Junkrat found at the omnium in Australia, maybe it's something more that something shiny

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could be information rather than physical treasure

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unless thats another voiceline which isnt canon

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most arent

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Oh and theirs Sigma, I hope he plays a role I love that guy both in lore and he's my tank main

peak escarp Jul 26, 2021, 6:15 AM

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everyone else thinks it's treasure

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but Junkrat's bio calls it a "secret"

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He came to notoriety when he discovered an extremely valuable secret in the bones of the omnium. Though few knew the nature of what he found, he was nonetheless pursued by bounty hunters, gangs, and opportunists wherever he went, until he made a deal with the Junker enforcer Roadhog, who grudgingly agreed to be his personal bodyguard in exchange for a fifty-fifty share of the spoils.

worthy rose Jul 26, 2021, 6:16 AM

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maybe the treasure is the reason the australian omnium blew up? im unsure if we already know how it did

peak escarp Jul 26, 2021, 6:16 AM

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we know the omnium was sabotaged by the ALF

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I think his secret could be why the omniums woke back up after being shut down 30 years ago

worthy rose Jul 26, 2021, 6:17 AM

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that'd make more sense

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if they're really wanting to know, maybe that'd be a short storyline

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That line "few knew the nature of what he found" makes me think that yeah, there's something very particular about whatever he found.

peak escarp Jul 26, 2021, 6:19 AM

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I feel like it's something that will be addressed outside of gameplay, maybe in a novel or short

worthy rose Jul 26, 2021, 6:21 AM

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Then there is wrecking ball, honestly he is just so disconnected from the main story I don't see anyway in for the hamster

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somewhat connected to winston, mostly connected to junkertown

desert yacht Jul 26, 2021, 6:48 AM

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lunar otter Or maybe they start a brand new group

i doubt it, that seems to go against soldier 76's character

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a point is made somewhere that jack's flaw is that at the end of the day he's a soldier

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and he's made a point to go off alone and be a soldier

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he's done with leading groups

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don't think i expressed what i meant too well but

peak escarp Jul 26, 2021, 6:50 AM

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you're fine

desert yacht Jul 26, 2021, 6:50 AM

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it would be really out of character for him to go off and make a group

peak escarp Jul 26, 2021, 6:50 AM

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I get what you mean

desert yacht Jul 26, 2021, 6:50 AM

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also isn't jack 2 years younger than torb

peak escarp Jul 26, 2021, 6:50 AM

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we don't have an official age for Jack

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but at SDCC 2016 someone asked about the ages of everyone in Ana's photo, and Jack was listed as a year younger than Reyes

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Reyes is currently 58, so that would make Jack 57

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desert yacht Jul 26, 2021, 6:53 AM

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either way it's probably 55 or 57

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most sources go with ~55

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that image was retconned, no?

peak escarp Jul 26, 2021, 6:54 AM

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no

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there's a different version that was retconned, where Torb doesn't have his cybernetic arm yet

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desert yacht Jul 26, 2021, 6:55 AM

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yeah that makes sense given brig's age

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still, mercy with the overwatch crew at 17?

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was she really that young?

peak escarp Jul 26, 2021, 6:56 AM

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you can still find this version of the image in the game on the Necropolis map, next to Ana's bed

peak escarp Jul 26, 2021, 6:56 AM

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desert yacht still, mercy with the overwatch crew at 17?

she hadn't joined yet, she was just a student

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she was visiting Torbjorn

desert yacht Jul 26, 2021, 6:57 AM

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so they didn't meet via overwatch?

peak escarp Jul 26, 2021, 6:57 AM

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Angela has known Torbjorn since she was a child

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possibly through her family (but we don't know for sure)

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Angela joined Overwatch around age 22, after she had already become a successful surgeon

desert yacht Jul 26, 2021, 6:58 AM

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she knew him while she was 14 so it must've been

peak escarp Jul 26, 2021, 6:58 AM

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she must have really been a genius to become a surgeon at that age

desert yacht Jul 26, 2021, 7:01 AM

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this means that reyes made a child work for him in overwatch

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since mccree is 17 in that image

peak escarp Jul 26, 2021, 7:01 AM

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technically

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but he was probably going to be tried as an adult for his involvement in the Deadlock Gang

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so it was the better option

desert yacht Jul 26, 2021, 7:03 AM

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i guess reyes would trust mccree a lot after over 10 years of working together

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would've been at least 12 years come retribution

peak escarp Jul 26, 2021, 7:04 AM

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yep

desert yacht Jul 26, 2021, 7:05 AM

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so the person in the bottom left of the image is canon

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i always thought they were retconned

peak escarp Jul 26, 2021, 7:05 AM

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they haven't been mentioned

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but we didn't know who the woman was until Sojourn's reveal, so they could be someone we learn about later

desert yacht Jul 26, 2021, 7:06 AM

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maybe they'll be a plot point for reaper to kill

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we haven't really been given any characters that reaper has eliminated

limpid agate Jul 26, 2021, 8:00 AM

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Only Antonio was named

languid solstice Jul 26, 2021, 8:06 AM

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peak escarp

Whoa, OW responsible for him to become "That thing"?

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That's what you get for playing genetic games with Dr O'Deorain, mister. Simple.

peak escarp Jul 26, 2021, 4:39 PM

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Reyes didn't want to become a smoke wraith

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he just wanted his genetic issues fixed

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Moira is the one who got carried away with it

finite urchin Jul 26, 2021, 7:43 PM

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peak escarp he just wanted his genetic issues fixed

what was genetically wrong with him?

peak escarp Jul 26, 2021, 7:43 PM

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we don't know the details

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but it was said that he hired Moira to help with "genetic issues"

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possibly related to his SEP genetic enhancement

worthy rose Jul 26, 2021, 8:21 PM

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I never knew that Moira did more than what she was asked to do... that changes a lot of my views of the two characters.
Think of it, if it weren't for Moira, maybe Reaper would be a little more OK. Still on the "crazy" side, but maybe not as bad.

pastel dust Jul 26, 2021, 9:10 PM

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Yeah Moria's just evil

desert yacht Jul 26, 2021, 9:47 PM

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moira isn’t necessarily evil

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all she cares about is the advancement of science

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her intentions have nothing to do with hurting anyone

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but she will do it if it’s necessary for her goals

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she’s just obsessed with progress

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similar to doomfist

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doomfist wants the human race to progress

iron plume Jul 26, 2021, 9:48 PM

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Yeah that's what we call evil

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She's not Saturday Morning Cartoon Villain evil for shits and giggles

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But if you're willing to hurt everyone in your path for a goal, well

desert yacht Jul 26, 2021, 9:49 PM

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it’s not an evil goal

iron plume Jul 26, 2021, 9:50 PM

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The goal doesn't need to be evil for the person to be

desert yacht Jul 26, 2021, 9:50 PM

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I’d still say she’s hardly evil in comparison to reaper

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reaper is evil for the sake of being evil

iron plume Jul 26, 2021, 9:51 PM

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Well for one it's not a comparison

desert yacht Jul 26, 2021, 9:51 PM

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his motivation is the least valiant of the evil characters

iron plume Jul 26, 2021, 9:51 PM

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For two it's questionable even then

desert yacht Jul 26, 2021, 9:52 PM

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moira is a bad person

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that is undeniable

limpid agate Jul 26, 2021, 10:06 PM

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What do you mean by bad person

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What qualifies as a bad person

rancid egret Jul 26, 2021, 10:13 PM

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i guess cause she has very loose morals when i comes to progress

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she’s not inherently evil though

iron plume Jul 26, 2021, 10:27 PM

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"Loose morals" is what we call evil in the real terms

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You can rules-lawyer your way into "chaotic neutral" but D&D alignments don't work anywhere but D&D
Because it's a universe where a literal force that makes you do Evil Shit exists

peak escarp Jul 26, 2021, 10:28 PM

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evil is a subjective thing in the real world

iron plume Jul 26, 2021, 10:28 PM

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Still, takes some stretching to not make Moira look evil

peak escarp Jul 26, 2021, 10:29 PM

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I think whether you view Moira as evil or not depends on whether you think the ends justify the means

iron plume Jul 26, 2021, 10:29 PM

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Thing about that is her science isn't even that good

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Mercy did better breakthroughs while staying within the ethical realms

rancid egret Jul 26, 2021, 10:30 PM

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she’s like Dr. Frankenstein

iron plume Jul 26, 2021, 10:30 PM

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Whereas Moira made fucking reaper

rancid egret Jul 26, 2021, 10:30 PM

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he wasn’t evil

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but did questionable shit

pastel dust Jul 26, 2021, 11:35 PM

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In a Marvel Comic-type setting such as the Overwatch world, Moria defenetly classifies as Evil

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If she just had loose morals, she wouldn't be an asshole to everybody all the time, but she is

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I've never seen Moria actually be nice to someone

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She dosen't care for any individual's life, all she cares for is the progression of science, not even humanity

toxic sinew Jul 26, 2021, 11:37 PM

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pastel dust I've never seen Moria actually be nice to someone

I mean there is one interaction where she calls mercy brilliant

pastel dust Jul 26, 2021, 11:38 PM

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Yeah, that's the only acception, except I feel that it's either not genuine, or it's purely formal

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I don't feel like she did that out of the kindness of her back heart if you know what I mean

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It felt more like a statement, or a fact more than a compliment

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It's really an attempt at manipulating Mercy, who saw right though it

worthy rose Jul 26, 2021, 11:55 PM

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Also Moira's method of killing is just cruel, it's not quick and painless she slowly an painfully drains life from you-

pastel dust Jul 27, 2021, 12:51 AM

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yeah

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So all in all, yes, she's evil

worthy rose Jul 27, 2021, 1:01 AM

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She turned Reaper into a monster who is constantly suffering in agony.And if Reaper is immortal this means he will suffer for eternity.So yes she is evil

peak escarp Jul 27, 2021, 1:06 AM

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pastel dust If she just had loose morals, she wouldn't be an asshole to everybody all the ti...

I don't think she's an asshole to everyone

pastel dust Jul 27, 2021, 1:07 AM

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eh

peak escarp Jul 27, 2021, 1:07 AM

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she just doesn't spare their feelings

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she's apathetic

pastel dust Jul 27, 2021, 1:07 AM

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True, but she's not super complementive either

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She's most of the time very condesending

peak escarp Jul 27, 2021, 1:08 AM

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she seems genuinely interested in Mei's work, and compliments Mercy

pastel dust Jul 27, 2021, 1:08 AM

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True

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I'm just saying that she dosen't compliment a lot

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Like the only example we can think of is the thing with Mercy

peak escarp Jul 27, 2021, 1:09 AM

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being an asshole kinda requires you to do it on purpose

pastel dust Jul 27, 2021, 1:09 AM

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True

peak escarp Jul 27, 2021, 1:10 AM

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she just doesn't care

pastel dust Jul 27, 2021, 1:10 AM

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Yeah

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The Overwatch team did a great job on making her hateable though

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For a while I just thought she was kinda evil until she made Mei cry

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Then that's when I truely dispiced her

peak escarp Jul 27, 2021, 1:11 AM

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I don't think she's evil, but that's just personal opinion

toxic sinew Jul 27, 2021, 1:11 AM

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I don’t think she did it on purpose

pastel dust Jul 27, 2021, 1:11 AM

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I know

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but making the precious Mei cry is an unforgivable sin either way

toxic sinew Jul 27, 2021, 1:12 AM

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pastel dust but making the precious Mei cry is an unforgivable sin either way

So what if Winston dies

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Is dying a sin

pastel dust Jul 27, 2021, 1:13 AM

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What does that have to do with Mei?

toxic sinew Jul 27, 2021, 1:14 AM

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pastel dust What does that have to do with Mei?

Friends with monkey will cry

pastel dust Jul 27, 2021, 1:14 AM

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Oh, okay

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I think

iron plume Jul 27, 2021, 1:14 AM

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What a nonsequitur

heavy widget Jul 27, 2021, 1:15 AM

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pastel dust but making the precious Mei cry is an unforgivable sin either way

Wait what does she say to make her cry

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I’ve never heard that before

iron plume Jul 27, 2021, 1:15 AM

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She asks about Mei's dead colleagues

pastel dust Jul 27, 2021, 1:15 AM

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And their research

iron plume Jul 27, 2021, 1:15 AM

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supposedly just because she's interested in their research

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but eeehhh

heavy widget Jul 27, 2021, 1:15 AM

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Oh dang yeah she’s evil 100%

pastel dust Jul 27, 2021, 1:15 AM

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Defenetly

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Mei's a precious snowball

heavy widget Jul 27, 2021, 1:16 AM

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Not in game but personality yes

toxic sinew Jul 27, 2021, 1:16 AM

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pastel dust Mei's a precious snowball

Snowball is a precious snowball

peak escarp Jul 27, 2021, 1:16 AM

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that doesn't make her evil, that just makes her rude

heavy widget Jul 27, 2021, 1:16 AM

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I mean

toxic sinew Jul 27, 2021, 1:16 AM

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peak escarp that doesn't make her evil, that just makes her rude

She just doesn’t have a care about feelings

iron plume Jul 27, 2021, 1:16 AM

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peak escarp that doesn't make her evil, that just makes her rude

It's the everything else that does

pastel dust Jul 27, 2021, 1:16 AM

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Yeah, but Moria would let a city die for a corn chip

heavy widget Jul 27, 2021, 1:17 AM

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If you want to hurt others ur kinda evil

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She drains the life from people slowly

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Which is pretty evil to me

toxic sinew Jul 27, 2021, 1:17 AM

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heavy widget She drains the life from people slowly

How

pastel dust Jul 27, 2021, 1:17 AM

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You played the game? That's her attack

heavy widget Jul 27, 2021, 1:17 AM

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Uh her attack

peak escarp Jul 27, 2021, 1:17 AM

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heavy widget If you want to hurt others ur kinda evil

no, Moira would let a city die for science

toxic sinew Jul 27, 2021, 1:17 AM

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pastel dust You played the game? That's her attack

Mei does it as well then

iron plume Jul 27, 2021, 1:17 AM

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Moira would let a city die to study the remains and go "yep those are remains alright"

heavy widget Jul 27, 2021, 1:17 AM

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Yes mei is evil in game

iron plume Jul 27, 2021, 1:17 AM

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and then steal some more research from mercy

pastel dust Jul 27, 2021, 1:18 AM

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Mei is evil in game, but precious in lore

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Moria's just evil in both

iron plume Jul 27, 2021, 1:18 AM

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toxic sinew Mei does it as well then

We've never seen Mei attack other people with her blaster and likely won't

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Moira attacks with her biotic grasp in the Retribution intro

worthy rose Jul 27, 2021, 1:19 AM

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hello

burnt kettle Jul 27, 2021, 1:19 AM

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hello

iron plume Jul 27, 2021, 1:20 AM

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As far as we've seen, Moira's scientific endeavors don't have an actual goal

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She 'advances science' but her motivation is "I can do whatever the fuck I want"

pastel dust Jul 27, 2021, 1:20 AM

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Defenetly

peak escarp Jul 27, 2021, 1:20 AM

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she does things because she can, and just to see the result

iron plume Jul 27, 2021, 1:20 AM

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Which ultimately ends up as her helping a terrorist organization be better fighters

heavy widget Jul 27, 2021, 1:21 AM

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But would widow even be considered evil considering it’s Moira’s fault she’s the way she is. Or was it not Moira who did that to her

iron plume Jul 27, 2021, 1:21 AM

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We don't know if it was

pastel dust Jul 27, 2021, 1:21 AM

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I don't think it was Moria that did that

iron plume Jul 27, 2021, 1:21 AM

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She might have done the blue skin/slow breath thing but her initial conditioning is very unlikely

pastel dust Jul 27, 2021, 1:22 AM

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I recall a voiceline where Widow says something involving strong feelings and Moria reminds her of her condition

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I think Moria's involved in some way but not directly

heavy widget Jul 27, 2021, 1:23 AM

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Moira asks her how she’s feeling and widow says “I don’t feel that’s the point isn’t it?”

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That makes me think it was Moira but idk

peak escarp Jul 27, 2021, 1:23 AM

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"The enemies of Talon are such a nuisance."
"Is that an emotion, Lacroix?"

pastel dust Jul 27, 2021, 1:23 AM

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Yeah both of those voicelines seem to tie together my theory

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Doc said the exact one I was thinking of

iron plume Jul 27, 2021, 1:24 AM

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I think Moira just studied her

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because again, no one's going to tell her no, and she certainly won't stop herself

pastel dust Jul 27, 2021, 1:24 AM

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Yeah, it's the case of everyone's terrified of Moria

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That's why she does what she wants and nobody stops her

iron plume Jul 27, 2021, 1:25 AM

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you've done this too many times to be a typo now but

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Moria are the mines in Middle Earth

peak escarp Jul 27, 2021, 1:25 AM

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she might also be responsible for her upkeep, even if she wasn't involved initially

iron plume Jul 27, 2021, 1:25 AM

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Moira is the scientist

pastel dust Jul 27, 2021, 1:25 AM

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Whoops mispell

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But yeah she's defenetly studying Widow

heavy widget Jul 27, 2021, 1:26 AM

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I mean she seems super intrigued to see how she’s doing. To me it seems like she’s monitoring her “creation”

pastel dust Jul 27, 2021, 1:27 AM

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Yeah that seems about right

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I hope Moira gets karma for what she's done in OW2, but who knows

limpid agate Jul 27, 2021, 1:27 AM

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Karma for doing what?

pastel dust Jul 27, 2021, 1:28 AM

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Putting Reyes in eternal pain forever, killing people slowly, making Mei cry, stuff like that

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War Crimes she's defenetly done

heavy widget Jul 27, 2021, 1:28 AM

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I mean mei kills people slowly

limpid agate Jul 27, 2021, 1:28 AM

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@heavy widget No, she doesn't.

pastel dust Jul 27, 2021, 1:28 AM

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In game, not in lore

peak escarp Jul 27, 2021, 1:28 AM

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Mei has never killed anyone

limpid agate Jul 27, 2021, 1:28 AM

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Gameplay != Lore

limpid agate Jul 27, 2021, 1:29 AM

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pastel dust Putting Reyes in eternal pain forever, killing people slowly, making Mei cry, st...

Reyes doesn't blame Moira. Reyes blames Overwatch.

heavy widget Jul 27, 2021, 1:29 AM

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He blames mercy

limpid agate Jul 27, 2021, 1:29 AM

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As for the rest... Yeah, none of that is accurate.

pastel dust Jul 27, 2021, 1:29 AM

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Yeah but Moira still did it

peak escarp Jul 27, 2021, 1:29 AM

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she's one of the few heroes who have never killed anyone, human or omnic

pastel dust Jul 27, 2021, 1:29 AM

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and dosen't seem to care

limpid agate Jul 27, 2021, 1:29 AM

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@heavy widget No, he doesn't.

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He blames Overwatch as a whole for leaving him to die.

heavy widget Jul 27, 2021, 1:29 AM

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Have you heard their voice lines

limpid agate Jul 27, 2021, 1:29 AM

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Yes, I have.

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He does not blame Mercy specifically.

heavy widget Jul 27, 2021, 1:30 AM

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It sounds like he mainly blames her

limpid agate Jul 27, 2021, 1:30 AM

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Source

iron plume Jul 27, 2021, 1:30 AM

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He's being a sarky asshole and brings up her being a doctor

limpid agate Jul 27, 2021, 1:30 AM

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You're probably thinking of a fictional line that doesn't exist.

peak escarp Jul 27, 2021, 1:30 AM

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"you tell me, doc" is not blaming her

heavy widget Jul 27, 2021, 1:30 AM

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Voice lines look it up

iron plume Jul 27, 2021, 1:30 AM

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It's not blaming her

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Which one?

limpid agate Jul 27, 2021, 1:30 AM

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The burden of proof lies on the claim

peak escarp Jul 27, 2021, 1:30 AM

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it's asking her medical opinion

limpid agate Jul 27, 2021, 1:30 AM

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I'm telling you that the voice line you're thinking of is either the snark mentioned above, or one that does not exist.

iron plume Jul 27, 2021, 1:30 AM

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Because if it's "This isn't what I intended for you, Gabriel" it never existed

limpid agate Jul 27, 2021, 1:31 AM

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If you want to make an argument, you should be prepared to have a source.

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Unsourced claims lead to misinformation

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Which, evidently, never goes away once it spreads.

iron plume Jul 27, 2021, 1:31 AM

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I think they got it

heavy widget Jul 27, 2021, 1:31 AM

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I’m just saying what it seems like to me

iron plume Jul 27, 2021, 1:31 AM

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well it's not

limpid agate Jul 27, 2021, 1:31 AM

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And I'm asking for a source for your claims, because you're mistaken.

heavy widget Jul 27, 2021, 1:32 AM

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Play the game with a reaper and mercy and listen to the lines

iron plume Jul 27, 2021, 1:32 AM

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Again

heavy widget Jul 27, 2021, 1:32 AM

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Idk that’s just what it sounded like to me

iron plume Jul 27, 2021, 1:32 AM

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The only interaction they have with regards to this is
Mercy: What happened to you?
Reaper: You tell me, Doc.

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This isn't him blaming her for anything, it's him being an edgelord

pastel dust Jul 27, 2021, 1:33 AM

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Reyes is very dramatic

heavy widget Jul 27, 2021, 1:33 AM

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heavy widget Idk that’s just what it sounded like to me

Yeah I got that. I was just saying that’s what I got from it. Doesn’t mean it’s true just what it sounded like for me

peak escarp Jul 27, 2021, 1:33 AM

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well, now you know better

heavy widget Jul 27, 2021, 1:34 AM

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Yup

heavy widget Jul 27, 2021, 1:36 AM

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iron plume Because if it's "This isn't what I intended for you, Gabriel" it never existed

Wait I could’ve sworn there was a line like that before

limpid agate Jul 27, 2021, 1:36 AM

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There wasnt

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Never was

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Hence why I was asking for a source

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Because it doesnt exist.

heavy widget Jul 27, 2021, 1:36 AM

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And he said something like you knew what u we’re doing

limpid agate Jul 27, 2021, 1:36 AM

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Nope

heavy widget Jul 27, 2021, 1:36 AM

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I’ve heard people saying it existed but it must be some kinda Mandela effect

limpid agate Jul 27, 2021, 1:37 AM

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Someone made it up

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And it spread like crazy back between launch and Ana.

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And its impossible to completely kill the misinformation even though Blizz has released multiple pieces of lore including an entire character to patch up that misconception

heavy widget Jul 27, 2021, 1:38 AM

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Ah I see

desert yacht Jul 27, 2021, 3:28 AM

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something bars me from thinking moira is completely evil because her intentions aren't evil

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what she does is evil

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experimenting on people and animals and completely ignoring ethics

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but her intentions aren't awful

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it's hard for me to see her the same as someone like reaper who wants to do fucked up shit for the sake of revenge

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like there's no doubt that she shouldn't be doing what she's doing

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but there's something about it that doesn't scream evil as much as reaper's bloodlust

lavish adder Jul 27, 2021, 4:41 AM

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Okay, bet. What if the main bad guy in OW2 is an evil monkey army on that Horizon moon-base causing the whole events to unfold? Like the lead monkey is a Gorilla Grod villain? Come on OW2, don't let me down!

peak escarp Jul 27, 2021, 4:44 AM

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not likely

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Simon has no reason to go to Earth, and even if he did, no way of getting there

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we already know who the main bad guy in OW2 will be

lavish adder Jul 27, 2021, 4:56 AM

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Who's that?

worthy rose Jul 27, 2021, 4:57 AM

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Null Sector

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And Talon

lavish adder Jul 27, 2021, 5:01 AM

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Yeah, but what about that big eye symbol, and all those branching paths of null sector and talon and overwatch attached to it? Plus it would be an amazing plot twist if it WAS the monkeys, they keep being hinted they're there somewhere. Plus, narrative-wise it would make sense, Winston brought the band back together, and Simon or whoever tears them apart.

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Winston sees the whole world on the moon as something amazing, Simon sees it as something to conquer.

worthy rose Jul 27, 2021, 5:03 AM

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Imagine if a monke was the leader of Talon or something, although I'm pretty sure Doomfist is the leader so eh-

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Your getting into some real planet of apes territory

lavish adder Jul 27, 2021, 5:03 AM

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Yeah, well OW got into Terminator territory, so, eh.

peak escarp Jul 27, 2021, 5:03 AM

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OW borrows ideas from a lot of pop culture

lavish adder Jul 27, 2021, 5:03 AM

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Let's just go crazy.

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@peak escarp That's very true!

worthy rose Jul 27, 2021, 5:05 AM

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I'm thinking it's gonna be like, the first half of Ow2 campaign your fighting nullmsector and you defeat them, second half Talon takes center stage

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Null sector*

lavish adder Jul 27, 2021, 5:06 AM

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It's possible, but ever since that Sombra back-story. I have MANY questions...

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Perhaps a 3?

peak escarp Jul 27, 2021, 5:06 AM

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I think the Conspiracy is a plot thread they'll explore in the future, but not with OW2

lavish adder Jul 27, 2021, 5:06 AM

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They did wanna make this a long-going franchise.

peak escarp Jul 27, 2021, 5:06 AM

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yeah

worthy rose Jul 27, 2021, 5:07 AM

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A 3rd game is stretching it if you ask me

peak escarp Jul 27, 2021, 5:07 AM

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after Null Sector gets defeated Talon will still be around, and there will be other threats

lavish adder Jul 27, 2021, 5:07 AM

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They could do a side-game thing.

peak escarp Jul 27, 2021, 5:07 AM

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not a third game, but future story arcs

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DLC campaigns, if you will

lavish adder Jul 27, 2021, 5:07 AM

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Or DLC pack.

worthy rose Jul 27, 2021, 5:07 AM

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I'm thinking Ow2 will just have a really long story mode. Like playable movie type stuff

lavish adder Jul 27, 2021, 5:07 AM

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@peak escarp Yeah.

peak escarp Jul 27, 2021, 5:07 AM

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and there's still the external lore, with shorts and comics and novels

lavish adder Jul 27, 2021, 5:08 AM

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A television series in videogame form, this is only season 1?

peak escarp Jul 27, 2021, 5:08 AM

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this is like pre-Avengers MCU - they're just assembling the team

worthy rose Jul 27, 2021, 5:08 AM

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Other games wouldn't be bad. I meant like a full on "Overwatch 3" is unlikely

peak escarp Jul 27, 2021, 5:08 AM

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Zero Hour is Avengers

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not even the whole thing, just the first act

lavish adder Jul 27, 2021, 5:08 AM

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IDK, i don't even think Blizzard has the budget, to do a series like that.

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OW2, might help financially if it's a massive success.

worthy rose Jul 27, 2021, 5:09 AM

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Who knows, the whole 5v5 stuff has me on the fence of whether I'd get it

lavish adder Jul 27, 2021, 5:10 AM

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I think it was a good idea for 5v5, due to the LONG waiting time for DPS players. No one "besides me of course" likes to play tank!

peak escarp Jul 27, 2021, 5:10 AM

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I don't care much about the PvP, I might still play it with friends, but the PvE is what I'm really interested in

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give me that story mode

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give me hero missions

lavish adder Jul 27, 2021, 5:11 AM

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I agree; I want the story mode, too.

peak escarp Jul 27, 2021, 5:11 AM

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~~let me fight bots who won't be jerks and chase me back to spawn~~

worthy rose Jul 27, 2021, 5:11 AM

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I was shocked to learn Overwatch didn't have a story mode to begin with, given how much care they put into the story and lore

pastel dust Jul 27, 2021, 5:12 AM

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let me fight bots that I can sneak up on without them snapping around to see me

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It's impossible to play Sombra and Tracer against bots

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Or Echo and Phara for that matter

worthy rose Jul 27, 2021, 5:13 AM

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Let me fight bots that aren't those little annoying things from uprising, never playing that on high difficulty because of those things-

peak escarp Jul 27, 2021, 5:13 AM

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yeah, I hope they work on the AI for PvE so stealthy heroes can actually function

pastel dust Jul 27, 2021, 5:13 AM

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That would be nice

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Maybe some poorer aim depending on difficulty level too

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When you're a sniper they still target you like you're on the front line

worthy rose Jul 27, 2021, 5:14 AM

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Sounding like a game journalist difficulty

pastel dust Jul 27, 2021, 5:14 AM

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eh

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I don't play against bots unless I'm trying a new hero but if that's what the PVE will be like I want some changes

peak escarp Jul 27, 2021, 5:14 AM

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there should be a range of difficulties

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from "I just want to enjoy the story" to "I've maxed out every hero, give me a real challenge"

pastel dust Jul 27, 2021, 5:15 AM

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I like that

worthy rose Jul 27, 2021, 5:16 AM

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Low difficulty the enemies can't aim for shit, high difficulty and suddenly the null sector bots are running team comps and fragging you the entire time

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Here's a question, do you think there will be bosses? And how could they even work?

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Oh and who would be the bosses?-

peak escarp Jul 27, 2021, 5:27 AM

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I think there might be bosses, but either they won't be named characters (but just elite units), or you won't actually defeat them - you'll just do enough damage for them to retreat/run away/whatever

worthy rose Jul 27, 2021, 5:30 AM

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I'm honestly hoping for like a Sombra bossfight, Reaper bossfight, Doom bossfight, etc. Of course with Sombra you probably wouldn't fight her directly and it be more like hide and seek

peak escarp Jul 27, 2021, 5:30 AM

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imagine, you're going through the mission, and Sombra hacks into the team comms

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she starts triggering hazards and alerting enemy forces as you go through the stage

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you get to the end and there's idk, a big mech or robot or something . . . then there's the hack effect

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and you fight the hacked robot

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alternatively . . . same thing, but she's on your side - she hacks doors open, distracts guards, gets you into the final boss room

worthy rose Jul 27, 2021, 5:34 AM

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Hm, Sombra switching sides last minute isn't a stretch really, I'm sure she would rather be on the winning side when Talons on its last legs

peak escarp Jul 27, 2021, 5:38 AM

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could just be a Talon mission

cold hatch Jul 27, 2021, 6:11 AM

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worthy rose Hm, Sombra switching sides last minute isn't a stretch really, I'm sure she woul...

She's friends with Bap, maybe their friendship is strong and if she sees him in danger she'll intervene, I can see her risking a Talon mission to dave Bap and then being interrogated on what she was doing

peak escarp Jul 27, 2021, 6:12 AM

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there's a theory that Sombra may have been giving info to Soldier and/or McCree

clever oasis Jul 27, 2021, 6:14 AM

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peak escarp there's a theory that Sombra may have been giving info to Soldier and/or McCree

that honestly makes a lot of sense for soldier at least

peak escarp Jul 27, 2021, 6:15 AM

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consider the images seen on the computer on Necropolis

clever oasis Jul 27, 2021, 6:15 AM

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ana?

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or pharah?

peak escarp Jul 27, 2021, 6:15 AM

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they are images from their attack on Volskaya, which Sombra would have access to since she hacked their security system

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been using it earlier, and the screen was cluttered with articles
about Reaper’s movements and appearances. Ana wondered
who had been supplying Jack with some of this information,
but that was a puzzle for another time.```

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it's mentioned in Bastet - Ana also notes that espionage was never Jack's strong suit

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Reaper, providing only a view into Jack’s mind. He was
following a spiderweb of corporations, government officials,
and financial institutions, all hopelessly tangled together
through corrupt arteries and shady intermediaries. It was
the sort of problem that was never Jack’s strong suit.
He preferred two sides, concrete facts, and one clear,
unequivocal decision.```

peak escarp Jul 27, 2021, 6:38 AM

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in McCree's case, it's unlikely he'd be able to access US Army shipping manifests, so he must have had a contact who could

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it's a little more of a stretch in his case

lavish adder Jul 27, 2021, 6:51 AM

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worthy rose I was shocked to learn Overwatch didn't have a story mode to begin with, given h...

I wouldn't; Michael Chu admitted in an article "practically" that they make it up as they go along; and it kinda shows. Brigitte they said they had planned out from the beginning, but her age constantly kept changing. They call Overwatch this Utopian bright futuristic world, but they're in now 2 world wars, Talon faction is taking over a city here and there, corrupt government, omnics and humans can't get along, the only heroes disbanded for some reason, Australia is Mad Max, and South Korea has got a Kaiju Mech; not really sure they know what a Utopian society is, another bad sign they don't know what they're talking about. They hired someone because they wrote a story about a psychic vampire sex, to tell there story made for teens and kids. And they announced Soldier 76 gay in a way that seemed as a last ditch effort to get some praise for another gay character, so to avoid all that controversy they were getting at the time. And even though, Chu is gone, so is Kaplan, which makes me even MORE worried, they have no idea what they're doing and just flying by the seat of their pants that are on blazing fire.

peak escarp Jul 27, 2021, 6:53 AM

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they never said Overwatch was set in a utopia

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they said it was an "optimistic future"

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and Soldier being gay was teased at years before it was revealed

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you don't seem to have a very good grasp of the lore

cold hatch Jul 27, 2021, 7:21 AM

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Lol

worthy rose Jul 27, 2021, 10:39 AM

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Oh that reminds me

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Talon this

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Talon that

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Who the fuck is the head of Talon

cosmic crest Jul 27, 2021, 10:41 AM

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They don't have a single leader, they have an overseer council.

worthy rose Jul 27, 2021, 10:41 AM

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Can we go kick their butts in ow2

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Raid them idk I want a cool operation type mission

hasty basalt Jul 27, 2021, 11:26 AM

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lavish adder I wouldn't; Michael Chu admitted in an article "practically" that they make it u...

i dont know what you talking about exactly but why is gay persons in the world still a problem...also the time Overwatch is playing is at the BRINK of new war....its in a "better" future spoken of social behavior between humans like no " oh no gay people fak it" speaking and such shit ( hopes are high we are there one day) but i dont know how deep you are in the lore big parts of the world are still in conflict or wastelands....like australia is mostly a toxic wasteland when i remember it right.....and in Russia the Omnics already fighting a war again....OW kinda tells the story of how we going from cold war to a hot war again more or less

iron plume Jul 27, 2021, 11:35 AM

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Also

They call Overwatch this Utopian bright futuristic world, but they're in now 2 world wars
They never called it bright or Utopian

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they called it "optimistic"

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optimism doesn't necessarily mean everything is great all the time
it means good wins out in the end

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as opposed to grimdark cynical dystopian cyberpunk/apocalyptic futures

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oh nvm doc covered that

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pop quiz:

last ditch effort to get some praise for another gay character, so to avoid all that controversy they were getting at the time
what controversy?

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There's plenty of shit Blizzard has tipped their toes into since then
But at the time there was nothing going on

peak escarp Jul 27, 2021, 4:49 PM

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if the OW team actually released things to cover controversy, they wouldn't have pulled the map that was going to be released last week

worthy rose Jul 27, 2021, 5:18 PM

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So why does Mccree seem to be so disliked

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I mean like outside of Echo it's like everyone has beef with him

peak escarp Jul 27, 2021, 5:24 PM

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does it?

limpid agate Jul 27, 2021, 5:24 PM

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No, its just Ashe and Reaper

peak escarp Jul 27, 2021, 5:24 PM

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only Ashe seems to hate him

limpid agate Jul 27, 2021, 5:24 PM

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Because both of them believe he betrayed them

elfin nacelle Jul 27, 2021, 5:24 PM

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peak escarp if the OW team actually released things to cover controversy, they wouldn't have...

I must be out of the loop. New map?

limpid agate Jul 27, 2021, 5:25 PM

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Moira and Soldier also vocally dislike him

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But Soldier dislikes most people, especially since McCree also didn't take his side either. McCree just left.

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And Moira is another former ally that's now an enemy

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That seems to be the trend for all 4

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McCree was just on a lot of sides, and now he's against a bunch of former allies

latent shell Jul 27, 2021, 5:28 PM

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Doesn't Ashe have some sort of a love hate relationship with him?

limpid agate Jul 27, 2021, 5:40 PM

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One sided, yeah

worthy rose Jul 27, 2021, 5:43 PM

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They were a thing most likely, then McCree left deadlock for Overwatch and things went downhill

median frigate Jul 27, 2021, 5:44 PM

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elfin nacelle I must be out of the loop. New map?

There was going to be a new death match map but it was canceled due to the controversy at blizzard I believe

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Might be wrong

peak escarp Jul 27, 2021, 5:46 PM

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worthy rose They were a thing most likely, then McCree left deadlock for Overwatch and thing...

they were never a thing

worthy rose Jul 27, 2021, 5:50 PM

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To me it seems like McCree holds a belief he isn't cut out for Overwatch, in the reunion cinematic he straight up said they don't need me when talking to echo, or something along those lines?, so maybe there is something we don't know, either it's the overwatch team does not think highly of him OR there is something weighing on McCrees conscious that makes him think he isn't needed. Does seem to resolved in Ow2 though because we see him with Reinhardt

peak escarp Jul 27, 2021, 5:50 PM

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"They want me, but really, they need you."

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McCree doesn't think Overwatch needs him as much as they need Echo

worthy rose Jul 27, 2021, 5:53 PM

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I mean, she didn't do much in the zero hour cinematic so....

peak escarp Jul 27, 2021, 5:58 PM

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she distracted the titan so Rein and Brig's shield wouldn't get overwhelmed

worthy rose Jul 27, 2021, 5:59 PM

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Credit where credit is due

iron plume Jul 27, 2021, 6:19 PM

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peak escarp only Ashe seems to hate him

and even then she kinda oversells it

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And yeah McCree still has the guilt hanging over him

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Would like to see him and Mercy discuss that

terse yew Jul 27, 2021, 6:22 PM

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does reaper hate mcree? seems like he is just annoyed

limpid agate Jul 27, 2021, 6:54 PM

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Yes

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Reaper hates most people.

heavy widget Jul 27, 2021, 7:00 PM

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terse yew does reaper hate mcree? seems like he is just annoyed

Yeah and vice versa

cosmic crest Jul 27, 2021, 7:05 PM

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McCree's probably on Reaper's list being a former Overwatch agent.

limpid agate Jul 27, 2021, 7:08 PM

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Not probably. Is.

elfin nacelle Jul 27, 2021, 7:52 PM

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median frigate There was going to be a new death match map but it was canceled due to the contr...

Oh thanks 😅 I had no idea

peak escarp Jul 27, 2021, 7:54 PM

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we'll still get the map, but later, when the important issues have been addressed

worthy rose Jul 27, 2021, 9:45 PM

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It'd be interesting if Reaper actually kills any of the OW agents we can play as already in 2

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*if blizzard made it so reaper kills

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In the story I mean ofc

peak escarp Jul 27, 2021, 9:48 PM

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they won't

worthy rose Jul 27, 2021, 9:49 PM

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They won't but man that'd make for a storyline

worthy rose Jul 27, 2021, 10:09 PM

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Man as much as a character death would likely be nice for the story it be weird to see, say Winston die canonically and then see someone play as him in quick play and hear the character interactions as if nothing happened

peak escarp Jul 27, 2021, 10:13 PM

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yeah

worthy rose Jul 27, 2021, 10:46 PM

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Meh

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The character interaction that happens ingame is fucked anyway

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Some are canon

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Reference canon events

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Some dont

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Some will never happen prolly instory

peak escarp Jul 27, 2021, 10:50 PM

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that's because the game isn't set at a specific point in time

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you can have Torbjorn talk about hating omnics one minute then have Zen ask him about taking in Bastion the next

worthy rose Jul 27, 2021, 10:53 PM

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Idk I always found it annoying

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The interactions are fun but I wish they were canon somehow

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Ah well

peak escarp Jul 27, 2021, 10:56 PM

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I agree

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proper continuity would be nice

valid terrace Jul 27, 2021, 11:17 PM

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*introduces campaign interactions

peak escarp Jul 27, 2021, 11:22 PM

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I mean like, if a character's attitude changes, remove the old lines

valid terrace Jul 27, 2021, 11:31 PM

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As long as they stay archived, I guess that would be fine

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I would miss a lot of classic lines though

worthy rose Jul 27, 2021, 11:47 PM

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I once thought of a doom zen interaction

Zenyatta: You will only destroy humanity in your quest to make it stronger

Doomfist: in a mocking and sarcastic tone would you rather we all hold hands and pray?-

worthy rose Jul 28, 2021, 1:17 AM

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ooh i like that

valid terrace Jul 28, 2021, 1:26 AM

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There is a zen doom one that goes similarly

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"What is tranquility but stagnation"?

limpid agate Jul 28, 2021, 1:40 AM

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!!lfg @midnight ginkgo

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violet fractal Jul 28, 2021, 1:48 AM

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I just heard a voice interaction between D.va and Hanzo.
D.va: You remind me of someone, you're so serious though!
Hanzo: You must be mistaken.
Do we know who is D.va referring to?

peak escarp Jul 28, 2021, 1:49 AM

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maybe Genji

worthy rose Jul 28, 2021, 2:21 AM

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I always thought it was someone on Meka

peak escarp Jul 28, 2021, 2:22 AM

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maybe

worthy rose Jul 28, 2021, 2:22 AM

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Or, knowing Dva, perhaps a video game character

peak escarp Jul 28, 2021, 2:22 AM

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that could be it too

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we'd have to find out who wrote that line and what they meant by it

worthy rose Jul 28, 2021, 2:28 AM

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Wouldn’t it be genji because of the interaction between them in hanamura?

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One interaction that always stuck out to me was the Soilder Moira one

Soilder: You were a disgrace to Overwatch!, If I had known what Reyes had been planning, I would've never allowed it!
Moira: perhaps it was in in your best interest you didn't look to far into Reyes buissness
She said something along those lines not the exact quote

worthy rose Jul 28, 2021, 2:30 AM

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worthy rose Wouldn’t it be genji because of the interaction between them in hanamura?

The one about Genjis high scores being gone?

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Yeah

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I feel like they’re friendly enough for her to think of genji when she sees him?

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Well I don't think Dva and Genji have met in Canon

peak escarp Jul 28, 2021, 2:31 AM

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this is another example of "not canon but could be in the future"

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Genji and D.Va haven't met

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but they will in OW2

worthy rose Jul 28, 2021, 2:32 AM

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Well blizzard seems to have plans of Dva teaming up with overwatch so, it could happen