Define sequel
#lore-discussion
limpid agate
iron plume
If the point is "There won't be an OW3/whatever else and instead OW2's just going to get a stream of updates", then
probably
but in either case we won't know until years down the line
peak escarp
like other said, OW2 won't be the main game, it will be the only game
at least in the sense that the PvP pools will only play OW2's version of PvP, regardless of what version you own
limpid agate
Likewise, TF2 is supported primarily through community servers and content
Not through Valve
Unlike Overwatch, where the content you play with is exclusively Blizzard's, or the limited workshop mode.
peak escarp
!!lorecomics
twilit nacelleBOT
Comics Series 1:
Train Hopper: https://bit.ly/2vaOY0I
Dragon Slayer: https://bit.ly/2GpRZRk
Going Legit: https://bit.ly/2InZUkm
A Better World: https://bit.ly/2DeJGpK
Mission Statement: https://bit.ly/2UFLC5o
Destroyer: https://bit.ly/2XcYZ9G
Legacy: https://bit.ly/2DgM1jQ
Old Soldiers: https://bit.ly/2KLILTV
Junkenstein: https://bit.ly/2Is3WZ4
Reflections: https://bit.ly/2IoZQkr
Binary: https://bit.ly/2IzNvJy
Uprising: https://bit.ly/2UCymhE
Masquerade: https://bit.ly/2IzNTI0
Wasted Land: https://bit.ly/2DeKB9G
Searching: https://bit.ly/2Gh3jy6
Retribution: https://bit.ly/2XePmHG
Tracer - London Calling:
#1: https://bit.ly/3mknXBx
#2: https://bit.ly/318GEix
#3: https://bit.ly/3lorayj
#4: https://bit.ly/2MTe3JM
#5: https://bit.ly/3bD4dVi
Mini-Comics:
Return of Junkenstein: https://bit.ly/2Gqp7Z8
Yeti Hunt: https://bit.ly/2VPmxRI
limpid agate
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devout sable
have we even had any major lore development since, uh... checks notes Echo release, Overwatch 2 cinematic, and the Tracer comics?
peak escarp
there was the novel, although that's historic, not present day
devout sable
oh, novel?
peak escarp
the Deadlock Rebels novel
the one being promoted in the game right now
it's a fun modern cowboy heist romp
devout sable
ah
still kinda weird how they've been consistently avoiding almost everything about the Omnic Crisis
peak escarp
it's a pretty major plot point, they might be saving it for when they need something big
like the Swiss HQ explosion/Reyes and Morrison's fight
devout sable
but at least now we know who Liao was, instead of having them (or as we know now, her) stuck in that semi-canon limbo
peak escarp
true
I hope they explain more about Aurora and how omnics gained sentience
also I hope we get another short story soon
devout sable
hm
I still have yet to read up on the Mercy and Baptiste ones
been putting them off for some reason
peak escarp
Valkyrie is alright, Chu's prose is pretty weak compared to his other writing
What You Left Behind is good though
pearl elm
Which part of the lore is Eichanwalde in
toxic sinew
Eichenwalde is part of rein lore
limpid agate
have we even had any major lore development since, uh... *checks notes* Echo rel...
We also got the Orisa novel, Hero of Numbani, as well as Kanezaki and its associated lore.
You also excluded Stone By Stone for post-OW2-announcement lore.
toxic sinew
We also got the Orisa novel, Hero of Numbani, as well as Kanezaki and its associ...
What’s kanezaki about
limpid agate
It was mostly revealing what has happened in Tokyo in the years since Overwatch came and shut down the Shimada clan
toxic sinew
It was mostly revealing what has happened in Tokyo in the years since Overwatch ...
What did the shimada clan do
limpid agate
And introduced the Yamagami family who had ties with the Shimada, and now with the new (also introduced) Hashimoto clan.
The Shimada Clan was a yakuza clan.
craggy goblet
whats echo lore
created by dr liao, somehow sent into deactivation, found again in the ashe reveal cinematic iirc
limpid agate
!!loreheroes echo
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To learn more, please visit https://playoverwatch.com/en-us/heroes/echo#story
limpid agate
@forest glade Use that link above.
limpid agate
created by dr liao, somehow sent into deactivation, found again in the ashe reve...
somehow
We know how. Liao was killed by Talon, and Overwatch decomisioned Echo because there was no more Liao to keep her in check.
Its in her bio, which I linked above.
forest glade
<@!439279543862296577> Use that link above.
ty
next imp
If Echo can transform into any hero. How can you believe any of it?
(Normal by Warren Ellis required reading)
limpid agate
!!shitposting @next imp
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limpid agate
And she can't transform into any hero
compact cobalt
You’re always so angry
next imp
Which hero can’t she transform into?
limpid agate
She cannot literally transform into heroes and adapt their supernatural or special tech.
Echo's "power" is mimicry. She can mimic techniques and procedures that she sees and replicate them
She cannot replicate technologies or biologies
next imp
What’s your discrepancy here?
She can transform to look like and do the things the other heroes do.
limpid agate
We dont know if she can transform what she looks like
next imp
…I seen it though
peak escarp
we haven't seen her transform in the lore
limpid agate
…I seen it though
Where have you seen it?
Because there shouldnt be an answer.
Gameplay != Lore
next imp
It’s nsfw
peak escarp
then it's not canon
next imp
I don’t think y’all know what lore means
iron plume
You've been warned once already.
next imp
?
peak escarp
lore is only things created by Blizzard, not fanworks
next imp
But also not the game?
iron plume
The gameplay itself isn't canon, but it informs the characters
next imp
Yes
But It’s not gameplay or a description of abilities
It’s smack dab in the middle of her lore
iron plume
It's an introduction to Echo that's meant to represent how she will function
next imp
It’s in the middle of her backstory
iron plume
okay
next imp
With no discussion of her gameplay abilities
Like your rebuttal is that the image blizzard put in the official character backstory is meant to represent how she functions, but isn’t indicative of how she functions?
iron plume
It's not a "rebuttal", I just told you what it is
If you don't want to believe it that's on you
peak escarp
not all abilities function in the lore the way they do in the game
some in-game abilites don't even exist in lore
peak escarp
it's concept art for the game
even if she could transform into other heroes, why does it matter?
next imp
If that technology exists it changes the entire dynamic of that universe
Hence my initial reference to Normal by Warren Ellis
peak escarp
it's not a technology that anyone has access to though
it's unique to Echo
I've never heard of Normal, give the the quick version
next imp
Uhhh it’s hard to explain, but in it there is nanobot drone technology capable of creating holographic people basically
Which can be used for espionage and whatnot
Which made me think of Echo
worthy rose
Hence my initial reference to Normal by Warren Ellis
It's like the Reploids on the Megaman X 7 game, right?
They can transform in other people and stuff like that
worldly lintel
Is Overwatch 2 canon
worthy rose
Yes the story in Overwatch 2 will be canon
limpid agate
@worthy rose Echo doesn't even work like Megaman. She can't copy other technologies.
She can only copy actions
Techniques, habits, manners, she watch Tracer fly a plane or watch McCree shoot, but she can't relocate the Chronal Displacement or build a revolver out of thin air
@next imp Even if she could change her appearance, which we don't know, she can't replicate technologies or biologies that she was not built to replicate.
In game, she can mimic all of Reaper's properties. In the lore, the only thing she can mimic is his sharpshooting.
worldly lintel
Is he known to be a sharpshooter in the lore?
I feel like she could copy his edgy demeanor
toxic sinew
<@!263943820847087626> Even if she could change her appearance, which we don't k...
would she be able to replicate widows purple skin
limpid agate
Of course not
limpid agate
Is he known to be a sharpshooter in the lore?
Yes
iron plume
She'd probably still be hardlight-y
limpid agate
Pharah: McCree, where did you learn to shoot like that? Was it Jack, Gabriel?
McCree: Always was a good shot, but I got a few pointers from the best. That'd be your mother.
Pharah implies here that Reaper is a good shot
Better than McCree I'd argue is the implication here.
worthy rose
!!lorecomics
Thanks
peak escarp
I think those two are Pharah's first guess because of their mentorship role, not because they're particularly good at shooting
worldly lintel
Yeah, McCree is just saying that he himself was always a good shot but learned from Ana.
Also, isn’t that an in-game voice interaction?
limpid agate
Training
toxic sinew
how many comics are there in total
limpid agate
!!loreComics
twilit nacelleBOT
Comics Series 1:
Train Hopper: https://bit.ly/2vaOY0I
Dragon Slayer: https://bit.ly/2GpRZRk
Going Legit: https://bit.ly/2InZUkm
A Better World: https://bit.ly/2DeJGpK
Mission Statement: https://bit.ly/2UFLC5o
Destroyer: https://bit.ly/2XcYZ9G
Legacy: https://bit.ly/2DgM1jQ
Old Soldiers: https://bit.ly/2KLILTV
Junkenstein: https://bit.ly/2Is3WZ4
Reflections: https://bit.ly/2IoZQkr
Binary: https://bit.ly/2IzNvJy
Uprising: https://bit.ly/2UCymhE
Masquerade: https://bit.ly/2IzNTI0
Wasted Land: https://bit.ly/2DeKB9G
Searching: https://bit.ly/2Gh3jy6
Retribution: https://bit.ly/2XePmHG
Tracer - London Calling:
#1: https://bit.ly/3mknXBx
#2: https://bit.ly/318GEix
#3: https://bit.ly/3lorayj
#4: https://bit.ly/2MTe3JM
#5: https://bit.ly/3bD4dVi
Mini-Comics:
Return of Junkenstein: https://bit.ly/2Gqp7Z8
Yeti Hunt: https://bit.ly/2VPmxRI
limpid agate
This many.
toxic sinew
is this all of them?
limpid agate
Yes
toxic sinew
ok ill start reading them thanks
are the shorts the same summary as the comics
or do they cover different stuff
iron plume
They're different stories
valid terrace
The short stories are generally more important than the comics if that's what you're asking
The comics mostly cover character personalities through the stories of minor events
With a few exceptions
compact cobalt
lmao my messages got deleted
iron plume
yes, now get the hint
worthy rose
What of that has been officially printed?
like i can put it on my bookshelf
iik the Dreadlock one and Orisa one have been at least
iron plume
There's printed comic anthologies
Plus a bunch of non-lore material, like The Art of Overwatch and the cookbook
worthy rose
oooh that cookbook sounds lit
worthy rose
i should look all this up, would love to own at least one thing IRL that's related to Overwatch
oh true
I was wondering actually
I recently watched Doomfist's opening cinematic and saw how he fucked Tracer up
Idk much about Tracer's backstory either but uh
shouldn't she have like actually died cause of it
him hitting her time thing idk what it's called
I think the thing he hit is called the chronal accelerator
yeah but what did that actually do to her
................................i thought it was keeping her alive a la iron man lmao
It just keeps her from uncontrollably phasing in and out of time
peak escarp
when Doomfist broke her chronal accelerator, she was un-anchored from time
to bring her back Winston had to make a new one (or bring a backup one)
compact cobalt
yes, now get the hint
clearly you guys need to get the hint that a joke does not warrant a warning
iron plume
Move on.
worthy rose
when Doomfist broke her chronal accelerator, she was un-anchored from time
what happens to her while she's un-anchored?
iron plume
peak escarp
you beat me
worthy rose
i really should just set aside some time and watch all of the character intros
appreciated, ty!
iron plume
There's not one for all of them, sadly
worthy rose
wait
iron plume
They only consistently made them for post-release heroes
worthy rose
Is Origin Story the same as Character Introduction?
iron plume
I meant origin story
not sure what you mean by character introduction
peak escarp
there are origin trailers for Tracer, Soldier, the Junkers, Ana, Sombra, Orisa, Doomfist, Moira, Brigitte, Wrecking Ball, Baptiste, Sigma and Echo
iron plume
Yep
So just Tracer, Soldier and Roadhog/Junkrat together out of the original 21
And then those are kinda scattered
Tracer and Soldier were shown at Blizzcon and are only saved as unofficial reuploads
The Junkers one is posted as a trailer by Gamespot
The post-release ones are actually on the overwatch channel
peak escarp
that's just the animated shorts
and it includes two HotS shorts that involve Overwatch heroes (which aren't canon to Overwatch)
iron plume
Are they? Last I remember they weren't
guess I was wrong
peak escarp
I've got them linked in my database
iron plume
!!loreshorts
twilit nacelleBOT
Animated Shorts:
Cinematic Trailer: http://bit.ly/1yhzaCC
Recall: http://bit.ly/1T1Aky8
Alive: http://bit.ly/1PSJV5x
Dragons: http://bit.ly/1WAZs3c
Hero: http://bit.ly/1ToCD1E
The Last Bastion: http://bit.ly/2b3TsNN
Infiltration: http://bit.ly/2emetBC
Rise and Shine: http://bit.ly/2xcMYoH
Honor and Glory: http://bit.ly/2A4FxRa
Shooting Star: https://bit.ly/2MCgtuP
Reunion: https://bit.ly/2AJhhHo
Zero Hour: https://bit.ly/2JGfNBP
Origin Trailers:
Tracer: http://bit.ly/2fDNQxI
Soldier 76: http://bit.ly/1FpWpDB
Ana: http://bit.ly/29zamjl
Sombra: http://bit.ly/2fMt3aJ
Orisa: http://bit.ly/2liKFy8
King's Row Uprising: http://bit.ly/2p2pukK
Doomfist: http://bit.ly/2tWoWzZ
Moira: http://bit.ly/2hF7GXZ
Brigitte: http://bit.ly/2GSto50
Hammond: https://bit.ly/2lKVlU9
Ashe: https://bit.ly/2F2SPor
Baptiste: https://bit.ly/2TeM1Kq
Sigma: https://bit.ly/2JJTVWE
Echo: https://bit.ly/2IYIwRq
Other Videos:
A Moment in Crime - Junkers: http://bit.ly/2fMsVYB
Are You With Us?: http://bit.ly/2fle4Uw
We Are Overwatch: http://bit.ly/1Pd9XmJ
The Plan: http://bit.ly/2uZiitC
Retribution: https://bit.ly/2EI9RCZ
Roadtrip: https://bit.ly/2RLk08M
Storm Rising: https://bit.ly/2VOkcXh
iron plume
This is all the canon video content we've got
worthy rose
Ohhh shit I forgot we had a damn command for it lmao, tyty
Are the comics the only physical media I can hope for outside of the cookbook and artbook?
then again idk why im thinking there are, like, actual books out lol
peak escarp
there's 2 novels
and we'll probably get more in the future, since they seem to be successful
worthy rose
the novels are the two i mentioned ye?
iron plume
yes
worthy rose
I wonder why they didn't just make em comics
iron plume
They're not really fit to a visual medium
Plus a comic that covers as much as they do would be very long (and very expensive)
peak escarp
!!shitposting @vague current
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peak escarp
I'm not a mod, I'm a regular
peak escarp
this channel is for discussing the lore/story of Overwatch
peak escarp
pretty sure cod has a story too
vague current
yeah but thats like singleplayer
peak escarp
!!loreguide
twilit nacelleBOT
This is a guide for people who don't know where to begin with the lore of Overwatch. The first thing is probably to go watch the shorts. They're popular, easy to consume, and pack a lot of story and character.
Shorts Playlist: https://bit.ly/2UQyTeL
There are many comics, short stories, and blog posts as well. The most important ones are:
Binary: https://bit.ly/2IzNvJy
Masquerade: https://bit.ly/2IzNTI0
What You Left Behind: https://bit.ly/2Fh7MRz
There is also an important chain of events following Ana and Soldier 76 (and Mercy at the end):
Legacy: https://bit.ly/2DgM1jQ
Old Soldiers: https://bit.ly/2KLILTV
Bastet: https://bit.ly/2QuXHmM
Valkyrie: https://bit.ly/2CF5JVE
The rest of the stories are mostly optional. Special mention goes out to the Junkers, who have an entertaining string of stories:
Wasted Land: https://bit.ly/2DeKB9G
A Moment in Crime: http://bit.ly/2fMsVYB
Going Legit: https://bit.ly/2InZUkm
The Plan: http://bit.ly/2uZiitC
peak escarp
if you're not interested in learning, why are you here?
valid terrace
If you aren't interested in the story of the game and it's characters, you're in the wrong channel
feral musk
crisp hearth
you cant run
You kinda can hes slow
empty forge
austere steeple
is north korea still seperate from south korea in ow?
cosmic crest
We don't know, and I severely doubt they'll ever tell us.
worthy rose
Probrably not since its not important to the lore
peak escarp
making a statement like that could get Blizzard in trouble
same reason Hong Kong or Taiwan are unlikely to be featured
pastel dust
Shame, those would be cool locations. But I get it, political stuff is complicated.
cosmic crest
I would have said those places were more likely to be shown if it weren't for the scandal that happened a while back.
worthy rose
Maybe China town could be a cool location instead?
iron plume
If you mean a China town, then we have Lijiang
desert yacht
we already have an LA map
i doubt they'd add more, OW team likes to cover a lot of areas
i wonder if they'll add new maps after the initial wave of maps
iron plume
they almost certainly will
desert yacht
i think singapore is a likely candidate for a map
limpid agate
is north korea still seperate from south korea in ow?
Its implied yes.
D.Va is from specifically South Korea in her bio.
worthy rose
croatia map when
limpid agate
I dont think there are any known Croatian characters
iron plume
!!shitposting @tawny moss
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lunar otter
Glad you joined the bandwagon .Sin
They are all awesome
Especially dragons and reunion in my opinion
austere steeple
my favorite is actually rise and shine
is zaryas 1100 lb bench press just her working out or does she have enhancement
toxic sinew
whats zaryas highest lift
austere steeple
canonically her bench press is stated to be 1100lbs
but i dont know any other stats
if you are metric that is about 499.5 kg
austere steeple
in typical sea level gravity
iron plume
The pounds to kilos conversion doesn’t depend on gravity, they’re both mass
Where did you get the 1100 lb thing from though
Her weightlifting record is 512 kg
Which is why it’s tattooed on her shoulder
But competitive weightlifting measures a sum of two moves, it doesn’t mean she can hurl 512 at once
(and neither of the moves are bench press)
For context, the current world record for women’s Olympic weightlifting is 335
And men’s is 485
So Zarya’s definitely exceptional, but it’s in the realm of possibility considering future improvements in training, preparation, regiment etc
austere steeple
The pounds to kilos conversion doesn’t depend on gravity, they’re both mass
Wher...
ah ok, however pounds are not mass, they are force
iron plume
“pound” is a measure for both, though people usually mean mass
austere steeple
512kg is approximately 1126 pounds
so im close enough depending on how many figures you want
austere steeple
oh it was a powerlift?
iron plume
powerlift isn't a specific thing
In both Olympic excercises, you start with the bar on the ground and have to raise it above your head while standing up
This will be easier https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olympic_weightlifting
simple sail
toxic sinew
wrong channel
iron plume
!!lfg @simple sail
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cobalt fiber
Glad you joined the bandwagon .Sin
i went wild for the episode that included sombra 
fading gate
whats zaryas highest lift
you see the numbers on her arm?
that's her highest lift in kgs
i believe
yeah
512 kg is her weight record
toxic sinew
reinhardt's short was good
valid terrace
Yup
worthy rose
Mine is recall and the museum one
peak escarp
my favourite is Reunion, but that's no surprise
toxic sinew
my favourite is Reunion, but that's no surprise
That’s Cree right
peak escarp
McCree and Ashe
toxic sinew
The one where he tied her up on the payload?
peak escarp
yes
worthy rose
I hope to see more of them in the future. The recent novel was a really good read and a better listen
peak escarp
yeah
rancid egret
how are junkrat and roadhog involved with overwatch at all?
iron plume
They aren't
rancid egret
overwatch being the game not the organization
peak escarp
they most likely won't be part of the OW2 story missions
the devs have confirmed that not every hero will be, and specifically pointed out the Junkers as heroes that wouldn't make sense to be there
toxic sinew
the devs have confirmed that not every hero will be, and specifically pointed ou...
it would be cool to have the junkers in junkertown story mission
toxic sinew
can you play them single player or 4 player only
peak escarp
from what we've heard, it's 4-player only, like the Archives missions
toxic sinew
sadge
peak escarp
you can queue solo but you'll be playing as a team of 4
toxic sinew
you can queue solo but you'll be playing as a team of 4
yea
dawn canyon
I mean they’re making the queen of Junkertown, there’s a possiblity they’ll make another junker hero as well
Or maybe they’ll include hammond from his junker days
worthy rose
Deadlock rebels (book) will have italian translation?
stuck oyster
I'd think they'd include Junkrat and Roadhog as just mercenaries in the story, willing to do whatever job gives em cash
Ow2 is apparently rated m, so
who knows what kinda stuff could happen plot wise
iron plume
Ow2 is apparently rated m, so
fyi that's not been suggested by official sources
And I'd say the Junkers in the story are pretty unlikely
There's already a lot of heroes to cover with better justifications
toxic sinew
Like play as talon members or go against them?
limpid agate
They mean as
There are plenty of missions against them. That's not news
They said we will get to see some missions from Talon's perspective during the story too
toxic sinew
That’s cool, what is talons purpose
peak escarp
Talon is starting a war between humans and omnics so humanity can advance
peak escarp
so they're working with Null Sector, but are likely to turn on them eventually
toxic sinew
I hear doomfist interactions saying humans are overdue for a new crisis
peak escarp
that meeting between Doomfist and the mysterious omnic at the end of Storm Rising was Doomfist setting up the Null Sector invasion that we see years later in Zero Hour
toxic sinew
that meeting between Doomfist and the mysterious omnic at the end of Storm Risin...
I forgot that cutscene, where can I find it
toxic sinew
that meeting between Doomfist and the mysterious omnic at the end of Storm Risin...
Like the one where Winston responds to the lady saying does this mean overwatch is back?
peak escarp
this mysterious omnic is the one character I hope we see more of in OW2
toxic sinew
Yea
limpid agate
It would be a bigger surprise if we didn't.
peak escarp
it's a toss up whether he'll be playable (I think he will be), but we'll definitely see more of him in OW2
toxic sinew
whats the estimate for the amount of heroes going to be added for ow2?
peak escarp
5-10 is my guess
we already have 1 confirmed (Sojourn), one first-person model seen (Junker Queen), and one "we'd still like to use him as a hero" (Mauga)
toxic sinew
who is mauga
peak escarp
plus the 4 silhouettes (that supposedly aren't characters we've seen before)
Mauga is from the short story What You Left Behind
the big guy hugging Baptiste
peak escarp
he's basically a Talon Heavy
peak escarp
he was supposed to be hero 31, but the kit they made was too "intellectual" for him, so they made Sigma instead
WYLB ended with Mauga getting blown up by Baptiste, so that gives them carte blanche to rewrite his abilities
toxic sinew
!!lorecomics
twilit nacelleBOT
Comics Series 1:
Train Hopper: https://bit.ly/2vaOY0I
Dragon Slayer: https://bit.ly/2GpRZRk
Going Legit: https://bit.ly/2InZUkm
A Better World: https://bit.ly/2DeJGpK
Mission Statement: https://bit.ly/2UFLC5o
Destroyer: https://bit.ly/2XcYZ9G
Legacy: https://bit.ly/2DgM1jQ
Old Soldiers: https://bit.ly/2KLILTV
Junkenstein: https://bit.ly/2Is3WZ4
Reflections: https://bit.ly/2IoZQkr
Binary: https://bit.ly/2IzNvJy
Uprising: https://bit.ly/2UCymhE
Masquerade: https://bit.ly/2IzNTI0
Wasted Land: https://bit.ly/2DeKB9G
Searching: https://bit.ly/2Gh3jy6
Retribution: https://bit.ly/2XePmHG
Tracer - London Calling:
#1: https://bit.ly/3mknXBx
#2: https://bit.ly/318GEix
#3: https://bit.ly/3lorayj
#4: https://bit.ly/2MTe3JM
#5: https://bit.ly/3bD4dVi
Mini-Comics:
Return of Junkenstein: https://bit.ly/2Gqp7Z8
Yeti Hunt: https://bit.ly/2VPmxRI
toxic sinew
where is it?
peak escarp
it's not listed under comics
toxic sinew
where then
peak escarp
it's under short stories, with the other written content
toxic sinew
where can i find those
peak escarp
I don't know the command, check the pins
toxic sinew
why is there a romance link between genji and mercy
peak escarp
it's hinted that they're romantically involved
they flirt a lot
(also that web isn't official, it's just something I made)
do we have a command that brings up the most recent piece of lore? I feel like that would be useful
limpid agate
I'll make one. But in this case, its the novel in pins
peak escarp
cool
limpid agate
I accidentally deleted the message in the original pin rather than just unpinning it, whoops.
!!loreNewest
twilit nacelleBOT
Deadlock Rebels is out now, and available for purchase as an e-book from Amazon. Please use spoiler tags ||written like this|| so that everyone may enjoy the story!
Store page: https://www.amazon.com/Deadlock-Rebels-Overwatch-Original-Novel/dp/1338740369
limpid agate
Its here though
peak escarp
nice
worthy rose
@peak escarp I always loved this image
Reminds me how unrelated some heroes are sadly
I love the idea of them all canonically interacting
But alas
toxic sinew
what happened to bap and talon?
worthy rose
Wait oh man
No echo oh no
Then again her only canon interactions are Winston and Cree yea?
Oh and liao
toxic sinew
also rein brig are family?
pastel dust
Rein is Brig's Godfather
worthy rose
And torb is brigs father
pastel dust
He's close friends with Torbjorn
worthy rose
Ye
toxic sinew
is he like brig's godfather or smth
pastel dust
yes
fickle moth
Then again her only canon interactions are Winston and Cree yea?
Pretty sure newest cinematic has her interact with most of the heroes in cinematics (rein, Meigs, brig, etc.)
peak escarp
No echo oh no
Echo is on there, she's next to McCree
no Liao because she's dead
that web was originally made to help see which character we had names and faces for, and which ones had the potential to be playable
worthy rose
Echo is on there, she's next to McCree
Am I stupid
solar trail
Is there lore for the multiplayer mode just like how in rainbow 6 siege, the multiplayer is simulated training?
limpid agate
Whoops, deleted 1 too many messages.
limpid agate
Is there lore for the multiplayer mode just like how in rainbow 6 siege, the mul...
The lore is that the gameplay isn't canon. There is no excuse for Winston to be teaming up with Widowmaker and Symmetra to battle Hammond/Tracer/a second Widowmaker over a battering ram.
desert yacht
can’t wait to see how the web changes for OW2
if they are willing to recreate it of course
peak escarp
I'll make a new one when we learn more from OW2
desert edge
Wait, about the web
How is Reaper's relationship to so many Talon members complicated?
rugged zephyr
How is Reaper's relationship to so many Talon members complicated?
I think it’s because they aren’t friends and reaper being the edgy guy doesn’t want to form close relations with others
iron plume
They work together to a (somewhat) common goal and know each other well, but aren't exactly friends
Reaper is actively annoyed by Sombra, it's not clear what feelings he has about his transformation at Moira's hands, and Widow is, well, a widow and killer of his former good friend
He turned his back on overwatch, sure, but it doesn't mean he's forgotten his old brothers in arms
azure aurora
have junkrat and roadhog ever ran into any other characters in the game?
iron plume
They were in Junkertown at the same time Hammond was fighting in the arena there
Other than that, no
desert yacht
He turned his back on overwatch, sure, but it doesn't mean he's forgotten his ol...
i mean he hasn't forgotten them, he wants to murder them
desert yacht
is there an overwatch agent that he doesn't want to murder
iron plume
He had the opportunity to take out Ana and didn't
desert yacht
"feeling sentimental?"
-doomfist
peak escarp
he seems to have a soft spot for Ana
iron plume
But that's about the living ones anyway
He felt grief for Gerard and was angry when he was attacked in the bombing
desert yacht
when he kills rein and torb he says "never liked you much"
iron plume
That's where the whole Retribution mess comes from
iron plume
So it would be pretty damn complicated working with his ex wife who is also his killer
peak escarp
yeah
I have a loose theory that Widowmaker is on his team for missions so he can keep an eye on her/protect her
iron plume
He's clearly not the same but he still has memories of old Reyes
peak escarp
Reaper hasn't encountered McCree yet
iron plume
I wouldn't say he does
desert yacht
it can be inferred that he doesn't like mccree through interactions
iron plume
We haven't seen them interact, and from his in-game lines he's more disappointed than hateful
iron plume
Might well be
But you don't suddenly forget the death of an old friend
Who unlike soldier died before he became the enemy
He's not resentful towards Widow because he knows it wasn't her decision
and he's on the same side as her masters now anyway
desert yacht
one of the things i'm excited to potentially see from OW is more of where reaper's hatred of overwatch comes from
iron plume
But it would be a lingering feeling that complicates things
near smelt
I do feel like reaper may try and defeat mccree, he may not kill him. Although I have nothing to base this on, it's only an idea
peak escarp
I want to see their confrontation
iron plume
If I had to put money on it I'd bet he'd try to have a Darth Vader moment
Trying to get him to join
desert yacht
i feel like he'd know better
peak escarp
the former lead writer said McCree would recognize him from his fighting style
desert yacht
he'd know better than to try to recruit mccree, a moral oriented person
peak escarp
yeah
iron plume
Probably
But knowing better hasn't stopped him before
peak escarp
but McCree would probably try to get through to Reyes, talk him out of it
iron plume
that too
desert yacht
widow 'murdered' two people that reyes cared a lot for and he still seems to respect her
like even with the fact that he knew it wasn't her fault
desert yacht
ana as well
peak escarp
oh yeah
desert edge
I guess it's easy to forget seeing as she's actually alive
peak escarp
yeah
I was thinking of actual murder victims
Gerard and Mondatta, but Mondatta wasn't important to Reyes
desert yacht
yeah i tried to avoid phrasing it as actual murder
reaper probably has the most interesting character in terms of motivation
so it'll be fun to see what they do with him
iron plume
It has potential
peak escarp
I think the Old Soldiers plotline will be covered more in external media, like comics or novels
desert yacht
it's hard to pin down what drives him
iron plume
So far it's more confusing than interesting
desert yacht
i wish they'd release 2 player story missions
with just jack and ana
probably gonna stick with 4v4 though 
desert yacht
they'd still need to have other heroes thrown in
and it'd feel forced having more after mercy
where were they headed to next after valkyrie?
i think i remember it being somewhere in europe?
iron plume
Yes, chasing after a Reaper attack
desert yacht
do you know exactly where it was in europe
my mind is telling me paris but i definitely could be wrong
iron plume
It's deliberately left vague in the story itself
We know of two Talon missions in Europe
Infiltration and Masquerade
but it might be something else
desert yacht
is jack's motivation just killing reaper, or does he want to do more like interrogate him
or is that unknown
because so far the motivations we've seen for jack are stopping/confronting reaper, learning the truth behind overwatch's fall, and i think something about personal justice
iron plume
We only really know what he tells himself
He does general vigilante stuff unrelated to Talon too, but it seems like his ultimate goal is stopping them by any necessary means
peak escarp
do you know exactly where it was in europe
Reaper was heading to wherever Doomfist's prison was to bust him out
some people theorize that the prison was in Greece
desert yacht
so valkyrie happens right before masquerade
which happens a little before zero hour?
peak escarp
is jack's motivation just killing reaper, or does he want to do more like interr...
his motivation is finding out what actually happened during the Swiss HQ explosion and bringing the culprits (he believes it's Talon) to justice
desert yacht
for some reason i really don't like how it takes zero hour so long to take place after recall
feels like it should take place a few weeks after
or at least a month or two
peak escarp
I'm just going off what we've been told
which is "a year after Recall" according to Jeff
we should get better context when OW2 launches
but Recall seems to take place in late Feb/early March, based on context clues
desert yacht
i just don't like it from a hype perspective
overwatch's big recall takes an entire year to take place?
peak escarp
for example, Dragons happens after Recall and there are cherry blossoms - cherry blossoms bloom in a very specific time of year (3 weeks from mid April to early May)
in Hero, Los Muertos are smuggling guns in boxes of decorations for the celebration that marks the activation of Lumerico's power plants, which happened November 1st
there's more that happened between Recall and Zero Hour, I just only included the important things for clarity
and we know the date for Zero Hour based on one of Echo's teasers
desert yacht
i'm just wondering why they all appeared a year after the recall
like everyone that was present for the short
i just think from a storytelling perspective, the less time in between recall and zero hour the better
peak escarp
I agree - narratively it's weird
and a lot of these sources are old, I wouldn't be surprised if they get retconned to fix things
desert yacht
i also wonder why winston didn't use barrier projector in zero hour
like, given the time frame he should've been able to get it to work
and he had a lot of opportunities to use it that would've saved his life
instead he got his ass carried by genji
peak escarp
for drama
desert yacht
even in lore winston throws for content
peak escarp
hard to have a noble sacrifice if he hides behind a shield
peak escarp
Rein and Brig's shields combined barely held back the laser
lunar otter
Yea I don't think Winston's Shield woulda helped much in that situation
compact cobalt
Winston even feeding in the shorts 💀 💀
cedar parcel
zealous estuary
What exactly led widow to kill tekhartha mondatta?
peak escarp
Talon wanted to spark conflict between humans and omnics
Mondatta was an advocate for harmony between humans and omnics
lunar otter
How did Mcree lose his arm? As you can see I am a fan myself lol 😂
desert yacht
the latest we see mccree with his arm is uprising right?
limpid agate
Yes.
But we can hear from voicelines that people didnt know how he lost his arm, and that it must be recently
lunar otter
Alright thanks
rancid egret
is sombra’e translocator the same tech as the chronal accelerator that winston made for tracer?
peak escarp
seems to be
Tracer has a voice line saying she recognizes the tech and accuses her of stealing it
the bottom one also hints that it's the same tech
modest vortex
i have one question about OW lore
Recently i have been seeing the OW narrative videos and i have a doubt. Is Sombra the girl that is saved by soldier?
I mean, In my head it makes sense at some point
crisp hearth
Recently i have been seeing the OW narrative videos and i have a doubt. Is Somb...
No
austere steeple
that video is around the time of the game of overwatch
worthy rose
Sombra was an adult by that time so its impossible
pastel dust
Sombra lives in that town, though. There's a possibility that the girl might know Sombra vaugly.
blazing heath
Do you think the singularity/time with Talon changed Sigma’s base personality?
I think the trauma he suffered at the hands of talon and the black hole are absorbed into his other mental states, rather than the “scientist” personality, which is just his old self that has been preserved
limpid agate
Sombra lives in that town, though. There's a possibility that the girl might kno...
She does know Sombra. Its implied she told Zarya her real name.
@blazing heath What
pastel dust
She does know Sombra. Its implied she told Zarya her real name.
Oh, okay. I read the comic semi-recently and forgot if that kid was the girl from the cinematic or not
blazing heath
<@!321305962722099201> What
After sigma had the incident with the black hole and fucked up his mind, he has multiple personalities. The one in his origin story that seems confused and afraid is what I figure is his real personality. I was wondering if what talon put him through or the trauma of the run-in with the blackhole affected his base personality
peak escarp
as far as we know Sigma hasn't suffered any trauma at the hands of Talon, they just "rescued" him and put him in a lab
blazing heath
Well I mean didn’t they use him as a weapon
peak escarp
and he doesn't have multiple personalities, that was just an effect for the trailer
and from the same article,
the difference being that Symmetra is an active agent who gets sent on missions - Sigma does not
blazing heath
Ohhh okay
peak escarp
blazing heath
So sigma has no maligned intents? He’s just a scientist who’s research is trending in a direction that’s yielding results that Talon can benefit from?
blazing heath
I see
Thanks!
So he’s just same old sigma? The fractured mind thing wasn’t long-lasting?
peak escarp
it still affects him, but we dont really know how since we haven't seen him in the lore
all we know is that he hallucinates music
blazing heath
Alright then
crisp hearth
It would be lazy for blizzard just to say “talon is using sigmas research of their plans” and not expand on that in anyway
pastel dust
Yeah, I'm excited to see more Sigma lore in OW2, but I understand that it's slow going.
crisp hearth
they probably will expand on it in the future
I hope he makes a appearance in story mode but I won’t be shocked if he doesn’t
I hope there’s story mode dlc content for hero’s that didn’t appear in the main campaign
Like a side dlc for junkrat and road hog
pastel dust
I would buy that stuff in a heartbeat
peak escarp
it's likely they'll expand the story missions with DLC
primal escarp
you can't help but feel bad for Sigma
All he knows is that Talon is some company that is giving him all the money and resources he can ever want or need to pursue his goal and due to his mentality, he doesnt question it if it helps him get closer to finding that damn melody
pastel dust
Yeah, he's going through a lot. I can guess that in OW2 he'll figure out what Talon is doing and try to leave.
Hopefully, but we'll see.
crisp hearth
I want them to confirm if they actually send sigma to kill people because the Trailer kinda implies talon sends out sigma on some kind of missions and he’s literally called a living weapon
lunar otter
Does Mcree have two pistols?
worthy rose
He only has one afaik
lunar otter
I've been seeing pictures where he hase one in his hand and another in his holster
peak escarp
yes
near smelt
McCree having two pistols would be interesting, as reaper also wields two guns
lunar otter
Yea it would
rancid egret
McCree having two pistols would be interesting, as reaper also wields two guns
how do you think he reloads so fast when he rolls 🧐
crisp hearth
McCree having two pistols would be interesting, as reaper also wields two guns
Probabaly a hero talent lol
peak escarp
there was a hero talent for junkrat to have two grenade launchers, so maybe
near smelt
Yeah I don't think it would fit mccree, but as he was trained by reaper (If that's the correct wording)
iron plume
He was mentored by Reaper but his sharpshooting was taught by Ana
near smelt
I see, my bad
austere steeple
imagine dual weilding junkrat on the new solo tanks nerfed shields
iron plume
Talents will only be in PVE
limpid agate
Junkrat is a fan of two things, money and explosions.
And Money doesn't translate as well to gameplay as explosions
austere steeple
isnt he also a fan of anarchy
iron plume
not really no
He wants to do whatever the hell he wants
namely explode and steal things
but it's not about a grander idea
austere steeple
hes probably not capable of grand ideas
iron plume
He's capable but he's not too interested
ornate gust
he just wants to blow things up and be rich
teal void
me
pastel dust
Simple thoughts
teal void
like me lol
peak escarp
Junkrat is smarter than he appears
pastel dust
Yeah, he's pretty smart, but has simple morals
worthy rose
Isn't he also like the 2nd or 3rd tallest hero. When he gets arrested he's like 6ft 4 or something.
pliant sparrow
Nowhere near 2nd or 3rd though
hoary cove
Why does overwatch have lore
iron plume
From a business perspective, for marketing
Outside of that, because characters that have actual personalities and stories are fun to play and work on
cosmic crest
The only reason the game wouldn't have lore is if Blizzard wasn't willing to put in the effort.
Lore can only improve a game.
If you don't care for it, it doesn't lessen your experience.
Unless it's implemented really badly.
rancid egret
blizzard clearly has cared about the game very much i mean look at the quality of even just the game trailer. not to mention every hero backstory, other animated stories, all the comics
it really seems like it’s more than just money for them. like they’re actually putting so much effort in what they do
urban garnet
Isn't he also like the 2nd or 3rd tallest hero. When he gets arrested he's like ...
Pretty sure he's the 8th tallest
rancid egret
Pretty sure he's the 8th tallest
is height including suits?
urban garnet
is height including suits?
I guess since rein has only ever appeared without his suit in his original story, even then he's like 6 foot, he and orisa are the tallest characters to my knowledge
desert yacht
I guess since rein has only ever appeared without his suit in his original story...
winston
rancid egret
bastion and winston are actually the two tallest confined by blizzard but orisa is speculated to be an inch taller
confirmed **
analog river
How tall is bastion?
austere steeple
maybe that can be determined in game
make a custom game put him next to someone with a known standing height that is only a little lower than bastions
near smelt
Oh jeez bastion never looked that tall in game to me
austere steeple
probably the gun honestly
near smelt
Who is the tallest human character?
near smelt
Yeah I thought so as well
peak escarp
Sigma is also floating
austere steeple
even when he isnt hes almost 7' iirc
holy shit
i looked it up and all the confirmed heights are listed somewhere and speculations for unknowns based on models, but for some reason they never estimated sigma
still hes tall even if he were standing
and apparently brig is approx 6'3" and moira is 6'5"
amazon women
peak escarp
Torbjorn might be short but his wife isn't
austere steeple
i dont think ive seen her
peak escarp
austere steeple
oh yeah
also torb and his wife are blonde but they made a brown haired girl
weird
austere steeple
that isnt apparent from the model but i will take your word
austere steeple
yeah i cant tell
peak escarp
also all her nieces and nephews have blonde or red hair
austere steeple
maybe like mahogany
now those kids around rein
most of them are definitely redheads
and redheadedness is a recessive genetic mutation from blonde people
peak escarp
there's two genes governing hair color - one for eumelanin (which controls the shade) and one for phelomelanin (which controls redness)
a person can have both high eumelanin and high phelomelanin, but their hair will appear black because the shade overpowers the red tone
low eumelanin makes a person blonde, and low eumelanin plus high phelomelanin makes someone red
so either Torbjorn and Ingrid both had a red-haired parent that passed the recessive gene on to them . . . or Ingrid isn't a natural blonde
austere steeple
yeah i dont see how ypu would get brigs hair otherwise
i dont know how she would get eumelanin
iron plume
or Torb isn't a natural blond
austere steeple
maybe but he really does not seem like a man who would bleach his hair
or work on his appearance at all past bare minimums
peak escarp
he's got blonde eyebrows so it's less likely (people don't tend to bleach their eyebrows)
in the image I posted above Ingrid has darker eyebrows
iron plume
I wouldn't put some kind of chemical accident that permableached him past him
but yeah it's probably a recessive/dominant combination
austere steeple
in the image I posted above Ingrid has darker eyebrows
thay does make sense
although i am a blonde guy with dark eyebrows and i have done no modifications
peak escarp
idk then
austere steeple
so no guarantees but it does fit
peak escarp
I don't think the devs put that much thought into it
austere steeple
probably not but isnt that our job?
iron plume
disappointed Moira sounds
austere steeple
im going with your suggestion on this
worthy rose
Why are people so obsessed with Brig's hair color and being Torbs daughter lol
It's not like the devs are lying about her parentage
austere steeple
we are obsessed with everything
and it is about solving the hair color genetics puzzle
peak escarp
I just find it funny when people say "Torb is Blonde, Brig is brunette, that must mean her real father is Reinhardt!!"
austere steeple
rein was blonde
austere steeple
also rein wouldnt do torb dirty like that
iron plume
No one's denying that Brig is Torb's daughter
austere steeple
hes the kind of guy that would not sleep with someone elses woman
iron plume
I'm talking about why her hair color is the way it is
austere steeple
exactly
worthy rose
also rein wouldnt do torb dirty like that
Hes gonna bang brig
peak escarp
Hes gonna bang brig
no
austere steeple
definitely not
worthy rose
This is unrelated but
Man I really like Rein's older look than his younger
Same with Mercy
And 76
And reaper
worthy rose
Like it's crazy how much better their current designs are
peak escarp
we haven't seen what Reyes looks like older
austere steeple
i agree
austere steeple
i think the biggest difference to me is actually soldier 76
worthy rose
White hair and scar yeah?
austere steeple
yeah
worthy rose
Oh and beard now
austere steeple
and mask
iron plume
I'm not a big fan
iron plume
The beird's alright, the hairline bugs me
peak escarp
don't be vulgar
iron plume
yes. hope you got the hint
austere steeple
ok
ok how do you think the design here would look of he went full buzzcut instead of flattop?
peak escarp
I'm curious to see Brig and Zarya's new looks
and Ashe
wonder who we'll get to see next
austere steeple
probably a surprising off the wall one
peak escarp
Hammond
austere steeple
yeah that might be it
peak escarp
Hanzo should have the haircut/piercings from his Casual skin
austere steeple
seems right
cosmic crest
I'm excited to see Symmetra's, she has one of my favourite designs, I hope they do her justice.
worthy rose
the new designs didn't wooze me 😦 mostly they just seem like even-more-modern reworks of the original designs
crisp hearth
wonder who we'll get to see next
Iirc ana had her new design in the pvp stream but it was never closely shown let me check again
peak escarp
Moira's was in the Blizzcon trailer, but we didn't get a clear shot of it
crisp hearth
I wonder why they aren’t showing bastions even though it’s finished
peak escarp
rancid egret
i definitely like how genji and tracer look
crisp hearth
Lucios redesign is cool but they kinda ruined his hair
crisp hearth
I wonder why sigma wasn’t shown in any form of ow2 media yet
peak escarp
wasn't he played in the PvP stream?
crisp hearth
wasn't he played in the PvP stream?
Nope
peak escarp
huh
crisp hearth
Orisa and sigma wasnt played
peak escarp
maybe they're reworking him
crisp hearth
Yea they are
crisp hearth
They said they are reworking Orisa and sigma
That’s why there wasn’t gameplay of them in the pvp stream
They said reworked sigma is “very aggressive” but nothing about Orisa yet
peak escarp
ah
crisp hearth
They was gameplay of Orisa though in some ow2 media before the pvp stream but not sigma
peak escarp
yeah
crisp hearth
Sigma is a tank that can basically work with any other tank currently
desert edge
Exactly, it allows you to play him no matter what
So no need to worry about other teammates
crisp hearth
He wasn’t really designed to be a solo tank
crisp hearth
They are more brawly
peak escarp
we're getting a bit off topic
crisp hearth
Oh right let’s switch this to #overwatch-serious
desert edge
Wasn't it off topic as soon as you started talking about character designs?
peak escarp
designs still fall under lore
speaking of Sigma, I do wonder what part (if any) he'll play in the story going forward
desert edge
Idk, but as he's Talon we know kinda what he'll do if anything
He'll just be there doing bad guy things like bad guys do
But seriously, probably science stuff with Moira
crisp hearth
His character was rushed so I didn’t think they had a lot planned for him
desert edge
Like, it's obvious he won't be a field agent, like Reaper or Widow
peak escarp
he might have been rushed to start with but they could still develop his character and story
crisp hearth
he might have been rushed to start with but they could still develop his charact...
Yea most likely
He has potential
Does the world know about talon and how it’s a terrorist organizatio?
peak escarp
yes
desert edge
Yeah, there's news reports and everything
crisp hearth
Kinda weird that sigma didn’t know about talon
peak escarp
who says he doesnt?
hasty basalt
he works for them xD
crisp hearth
who says he doesnt?
True
desert edge
Although, wasn't Sigma kept in containment since before Talon went public?
Idk the timeline of things
peak escarp
he probably would have heard of Talon, but he likely doesn't know that Talon are the ones hosting him
we don't know when Sigma's accident/confinement happened in the timeline
or how long he was in containment for
crisp hearth
Why did the incident make him go bald lol
hasty basalt
well working with dark matter is also working with a big lot of radiation.....
crisp hearth
True
peak escarp
he didn't have much hair to start with
cyan harness
I wonder if the narrator in the Dragons cinematic short is voiced by the same guy that plays Tagomi-san in Man in High Castle?
peak escarp
the narrator is Cary-Hiroyuki Tagawa
worthy rose
Isn't that the actor for Shang Tsung?
peak escarp
I think so
cyan harness
the narrator is Cary-Hiroyuki Tagawa
oh so he is :D
lost crow
I said it before, but Sigma is not an original character.
He's a ripoff of Megaman X's Sigma.
desert edge
No?
worthy rose
OW Sigma looks WAY cooler anyhow
peak escarp
He's a ripoff of Megaman X's Sigma.
how so?
limpid agate
@lost crow You can't say that based off of just the name, especially since they have different characters/designs/personalities/roles/powers.
ANd even then
Megaman X Sigma isn't an original character either.
He's based off of Bison.
cosmic crest
They have nothing in common besides their names being the same.
iron plume
just wait til you find out about the greek alphabet
worthy rose
guys Reaper is a rip-off of uhh
that guy
yknow
the one with the scythe
fuck you Blizzard
iron plume
well, that one's actually closer hah
worthy rose
man when I look at Reaper I want more phys units
we got uh
Hammer, Mace, Katana
is that it
Oh Hammer from Torb
Hammer Rein, Hammer Torb, Genji, Brig
iron plume
do you mean melee
peak escarp
it's hard to design melee characters that are fun to play against ranged weapons
peak escarp
Doomfist isn't really melee - he is the projectile
worthy rose
i'd call doomfist melee yeah
but how could i forget doom lol
and yeah genji doesnt really count
desert edge
Yeah yeah ik ik
So for some lore, is there any melee characters that exist that we don't have access to playing yet?
limpid agate
Not really.
Some argue Junkerqueen
But she is also a gladitorial mech champion
So I would think, at best, she is only partially melee
desert edge
We do also have a lot of characters that originate from Junker town too
We have Junkrat and Roadhog and then there’s also Hammond who can only fight because of Junker town
fresh orchid
Does the Junker Dva skin actually have anything to do with the lore?
rancid egret
i’d like to think so but 🤷🏻♀️
peak escarp
she never fought in Junkertown
toxic sinew
he's from Horizon
were the animals born in horizon, and how did hammond get there
peak escarp
we don't know the details
toxic sinew
we don't know the details
why were they on horizon on the first place
peak escarp
my guess is one of the scientists brought him as a pet
peak escarp
they were studying the effects of long-term space habitation
The Horizon Lunar Colony was established as a first step for humanity's renewed exploration of space. Among its residents was a group of genetically enhanced gorillas that were intended to test the effects of prolonged habitation in space.
toxic sinew
```The Horizon Lunar Colony was established as a first step for humanity's renew...
Didn’t Winston escape since the other gorillas were rebelling
peak escarp
yes
But his life was thrown into chaos when the other gorillas led an uprising, killed the mission scientists, and claimed the colony for their own. Taking on the name of his beloved human caretaker, Winston built a makeshift rocket and escaped to Earth. There he found a new home with Overwatch, an organization that represented everything he had come to admire about humanity. Winston was finally able to live up to the heroic ideal that had been instilled in him.
unlike the other apes, Winston actually liked his caretaker
Hammond kinda just ignored them and did his own thing
fresh orchid
Was the Junkenstein story actual lore or was it just made for the game-mode?
austere steeple
non canon
peak escarp
it's a story Reinhardt told at a halloween party
before the fall of Overwatch, so around 7-8 years ago
so it is canon, but it's fictional
fresh orchid
Oh ok, thanks
pastel dust
I love how both Sombra and Moria call him dramatic in-game
peak escarp
he is 100% theatre kid and I love it
pastel dust
I hope he is able to get fixed or cured or whatever because he seems like a fun character and currently he is in constant misery pretty much
peak escarp
I want to know what caused his turn
there must have been something more than the fight with Morrison
pastel dust
Me too. All I know is that Moria did it and when she did it but there's nothing more on that that I know of
Something about molecular stuff
Cells, and all that
peak escarp
Moira is responsible for his physical state, but I don't think she changed his mind about Talon or turned him to the dark side
desert yacht
I hope he is able to get fixed or cured or whatever because he seems like a fun ...
irredeemable
there's no redemption arc for reaper
at least there shouldn't be
the dude's a fucking top class terrorist
responsible for countless deaths
pastel dust
responsible for countless deaths
I mean, you're not wrong
but also, characters have gotten redemption arcs from worse
Not ones from OW
pastel dust
Widowmaker makes sense I think
peak escarp
Baptiste does, and it seems like he'll get one
pastel dust
Baptiste will defenetly get a arc
Reaper, being dramatic, will probably not want one like you said
peak escarp
Widowmaker isn't in a position to be redeemed
pastel dust
No, she isn't.
lunar otter
Agreed
pastel dust
She's too far gone to have an arc
lunar otter
Honestly
pastel dust
Reaper isn't quite that far yet I don't think
pastel dust
He defenetly does
peak escarp
he wants to regain the honor he lost by "killing" his brother and abandoning his family
he's very Zuko
lunar otter
I believe he could as well
peak escarp
he just needs a purpose
lunar otter
I want him 2
peak escarp
maybe that purpose is in Kanezaka with the vigilantes
maybe that purpose is with Genji in Overwatch
pastel dust
Possibly
peak escarp
maybe that purpose is with Soldier and Ana chasing their justice
pastel dust
He's as dramatic as Reaper but wants a redemption arc
peak escarp
there's a few ways they could take it
lunar otter
Speaking of Genji and Hanzo do they know who each other are in the game? cause I've heard from some that they do and that they don't
pastel dust
Dragons was great
lunar otter
Absolutely it was
desert yacht
widely agreed to be the best short
peak escarp
one of the best