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limpid agate
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This is your final warning
wet portal
I don't understand the story of the payload on route 66
Why are the attackers delivering it to deadlock gang
And if defenders are the deadlock gang then why are they trying to stop attackers
peak escarp
other way around - attackers are playing the role of Deadlock
limpid agate
Don't think too hard about it
compact cobalt
Maps don’t really mean anything /srs
There might be a bit of story like on kings row but overall there’s barely any
worthy rose
I think his bf/husband/fiancee was called Viktor. I might be wrong though as Im not a lore Wizard like some people.
I think it was in the baset thing that it was fully confirmed??
limpid agate
Bastet was where we first learned of it in general.
Not just fully confirmed
And his ex-boyfirend's name was Vincent, not Viktor.
Just boyfriend, from 30+ years ago.
desert yacht
were they confirmed to have been married?
i don't mean to be nitpicky but i've always thought that it was a bit weird that they never really directly said or even implied marriage, other than the fact that he fathered pharah
idk maybe i'm looking too far into things but it always seemed like they were trying to avoid saying they were married
the only times we see or hear about ana and sam are in the pharah/ana ingame interaction and in the archives spray
i can't post images but i'm sure you know what i'm talking about
i'm probably looking too far into things but on another note
After Blackwatch was exposed (due to her meddling)
@peak escarp did they make a statement saying that moira had something to do with this?
because i never knew that she had a role in getting blackwatch exposed
ohhh in bastet it says that ana had a wedding ring, implying that she and sam were married
nevermind then
peak escarp
> After Blackwatch was exposed (due to her meddling)
<@!207741110838231042> did ...
it's more of a pet theory of mine - the reason Reyes impulsively shot Antonio rather than following the plan and kidnapping him was because of Moira's experiments on him making him more impulsive as a side effect
ornate gust
it may have been unintentional though
ornate gust
especially since it seems like it would be easier to do underground experiments when protected by overwatch
peak escarp
aside from that incident, Reyes/Reaper is known for being a careful planner (there are voice lines referencing it both in Retribution and normal pregame interactions for Reaper)
so something had to have caused his out-of-character moment - Moira is the most likely culprit
compact cobalt
Do we know if mauga is gonna come back
cursive arrow
Do we know if mauga is gonna come back
maybe he might
iron plume
He likely will
worthy rose
I feel like I saw some OW2 thing with his silhouette in the background as a teaser/possibility
Can't find anything official like that tho
Lore-wise, I'd be surprised if he didn't return. Baptiste story spoilers: ||He was nowhere to be found after the explosion at the end of the Baptiste story||
peak escarp
the devs have said they still want to use Mauga as a hero
blowing him up at the end means they dont have to give him the same kit he had in the story
he could come back as a brawly cyborg
sullen raptor
Do we ever know what happened to Lucio after the explosion thing?
The ow2 gameplay year ago thing
iron plume
No, presumably we'll find out in 2
sullen raptor
Streamers played it during blizzcon https://youtu.be/A6nkFfP5uxU
Its pve and the cutscene at the end shown an airship exploded
desert yacht
it's more of a pet theory of mine - the reason Reyes impulsively shot Antonio ra...
ah that’s where I was thinking you were going with that
peak escarp
Do we ever know what happened to Lucio after the explosion thing?
the explosion was a placeholder scene for Blizzcon
it will end differently in the final version
pastel dust
Oh good. I just watched it and I don't want my boy Lucio to die
peak escarp
it's unlikely any hero will die in OW2
iron plume
Even if the explosion itself is real he's going to be fine
pastel dust
Yeah good point. The worst thing that could happen is that Lucio gets hurt pretty bad, and gets fixed up.
ornate gust
Yeah good point. The worst thing that could happen is that Lucio gets hurt prett...
it could even allow for a skin to be made
pastel dust
Oh yeah that's true
The skin would just be Lucio wrapped up in a cast around his whole body and every sound he makes it uncomfortable pain, with the occasional "ow"
limpid agate
Oh good. I just watched it and I don't want my boy Lucio to die
He's not dying. We've seen him later.
He appears to join the Overwatch team.
There is a semantic argument to be made about whether he joined the team or just joined the party temporarily
pastel dust
I think he does, because he seems like the kinda character to do that
peak escarp
I think some (like Lucio, Pharah and Baptiste) will join permanently, while others (Zarya, D.Va) will just join for a mission that's relevant to them
ornate gust
theyll also most likely add in villians seperate from talon
peak escarp
not villains exactly, but there needs to be a faction that Talon can fight, so we can have playable Talon missions
ornate gust
possibly null sector
peak escarp
Overwatch is like 7 people, it wouldn't make sense for them to send waves of goons against them
worthy rose
Is Sojourn's railgun a directed energy weapon ?
I don't know why people thought that a railgun hero would break the game
peak escarp
Talon and Null Sector are allies
ornate gust
ah
peak escarp
the perfect faction for Talon to fight is Helix Security
peak escarp
Helix are the ones who guard Overwatch's old bases and are the ones likely to be enforcing the Petras Act, so Overwatch can fight them too
limpid agate
I think some (like Lucio, Pharah and Baptiste) will join permanently, while othe...
Only shown in stills, but those two were shown in concept art for the Toronto mission
peak escarp
hmm
limpid agate
Storyboards*
desert yacht
I think some (like Lucio, Pharah and Baptiste) will join permanently, while othe...
ooh this would be interesting
a zarya playable mission i mean
because she seems really against overwatch helping in russia
like when she eliminates an overwatch hero on volskaya she makes it very clear the russia does not want overwatch there
peak escarp
nope
she's a Russian soldier
and former weightlifting champion
theres quite a few heroes who have nothing to do with Overwatch or Talon
or are linked through someone else
slender crypt
Zarya isn't really against overwatch per-se, she just doesn't want anything to do with it
I also think, D.va would become a permament fixture to Overwatch, but will be stationed back in Korea because of the constant threat of Omnic attacks
Zarya I can definitely see her as a one and done type of deal with OW
slender crypt
like when she eliminates an overwatch hero on volskaya she makes it very clear t...
Voice Lines aren't really canonical, they're just what ifs
desert yacht
Voice Lines aren't really canonical, they're just what ifs
i thought our understanding is that the information in the voice line is canonical, but the voice line never canonically takes place
iron plume
Zarya thinks Russia doesn't need Overwatch
But she probably wouldn't be against helping them to prove it
iron plume
i thought our understanding is that the information in the voice line is canonic...
That's pretty much the same thing
Voice lines are how characters would react if they were in the hypothetical in-game situation
slender crypt
Zarya thinks Russia doesn't need Overwatch
But she probably wouldn't be against ...
I feel like Eventually when enough conflict rises, like with what Doomfist is probably planning, Zarya and Russia would have no choice but to team with Overwatch
desert yacht
I was looking back through some messages in this channel and saw this
does Ana’s eye no longer count? after it got shot by widow
iron plume
Ana doesn't have it anymore
She didn't put it back or get a new one after getting shot
hard lichen
theres a voiceline where she declines mercy's offer to fix her eye
amber owl
tracer kinda sus ngl 0_0
iron plume
!!shitposting
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peak escarp
does Ana’s eye no longer count? after it got shot by widow
what Party said - I was only counting current prosthetics, Ana lost hers and never replaced it
finite urchin
Wait is zarya not part of overwatch
she's joining the new overwatch
ornate gust
she's joining the new overwatch
that hasnt been confirmed has it?
peak escarp
she's teaming up with them
it's not confirmed whether this is a permanent join or a temporary alliance
crisp hearth
Is lucio and mei in overwatch?
iron plume
Mei is, Lucio isn't yet but he's likely joining in 2
crisp hearth
I really want to see hanzo teaming up with Genji for ow2
crisp hearth
I wonder what sigma would do if he found out of talon is using him
pastel dust
I'm not sure. As much as I would like it if he obliterated them and went off elsewhere I can imagine he already knows. He just dosen't care. They fund his projects and let him do whatever, then occasionaly let him out to destroy some enemies.
crisp hearth
Well if he tried to leave talon he would probably have to throw some hands first
pastel dust
Yeah, that's why I imagine he either dosen't care and stays with them, or destroys his way out. Unless Talon knows his strength and lets him run free
crisp hearth
I'm not sure. As much as I would like it if he obliterated them and went off els...
Sigma is a pretty nice person so l don’t think he would do bad stuff and kill good people just because his projects are getting funded
pastel dust
That's true, he seems like a good person, so who knows. I hope we find out what happens in OW2 though
crisp hearth
We don’t know fully about his insanity anyways
pastel dust
Yeah, all we knows is that he's a little erratic and he hears music that nobody else hears
crisp hearth
Yeah, all we knows is that he's a little erratic and he hears music that nobody ...
I’m pretty sure he has multiple personality’s though
Some assumptions can be made based of his in game voice lines and some parts of his model
I’m pretty sure he’s only insane when he uses his gravity powers
pastel dust
That makes sence
peak escarp
he doesn't have multiple personalities
crisp hearth
He screams when gets kills with his ability or ult
peak escarp
so do most heroes
crisp hearth
But I think without whatever stuff talon put on him he would just be permanently insane
peak escarp
he's not insane
he has brain damage
he also doesn't know that Talon is using his research
crisp hearth
Well still what ever talon used makes him able to act normal again
crisp hearth
they just stole him out of quarantine and put him in a lab
Then he was just suddenly acting normal again?
peak escarp
what do you mean
we don't know how he was acting - the origin trailer is very stylized/exaggerated
crisp hearth
what do you mean
It was stated in his lore that when he was imprisoned all he did was whimper to himselve random equations and keep telling himself to hold it together and when he was broken out he wouldn’t just randomly act normal again
peak escarp
where does it say that?
crisp hearth
Let me get it
peak escarp
Upon returning to Earth, De Kuiper was quarantined in a secret government facility. Between his ravings about the patterns of the universe, the psychic damage he sustained, and the gravitic anomalies happening around him, he was deemed unsafe and detained for years under the name "Subject Sigma." Isolated and unable to control his powers, De Kuiper retreated into his own mind. He thought he would never see the outside world again.
pliant sparrow
That's surprisingly dark
peak escarp
naturally, if he was removed from that environment, he would recover and seem "normal"
crisp hearth
ok my fault i swore i could of remembered it saying something else
crisp hearth
naturally, if he was removed from that environment, he would recover and seem "n...
well still he has that secret selection animation easter egg that can point to talon controlling him with that armor
peak escarp
what
crisp hearth
what
if you select sigma and wait like a minute theres a secret animation where he just looks like he snaps out of something and looks around worried before he goes back to normal
peak escarp
Junkrat does that too
it's just an idle animation
it doesn't mean Talon is controlling him
crisp hearth
have you seen it? im pretty sure it does mean something though
crisp hearth
im pretty sure it does
peak escarp
we've already been told that Talon is lying to him, but there's no indication that they're controlling him
Talon doesn't even control Widowmaker
she has her own free will
crisp hearth
im just assuming that the armor sigma has is controlling him in some way to make sure his mental issues dont take over based on some gameplay and lines
desert edge
Honestly, I doubt Talon even need to control him that way
desert edge
Also, if you want to look towards the game for this info
desert yacht
i wonder if sigma made his own armor
desert edge
Look at Sigma's hero gallery description
desert yacht
or at least designed it
crisp hearth
"Talon manipulates"
yea i meant manipulate i said it wrong
desert edge
But manipulating doesn't imply control
not in the sense of them having actual control
They just convince him to work for them
Not control him through anything like armour etc
peak escarp
manipulation comes in many forms - bribery, blackmail, emotional manipulation, etc.
desert edge
But not literal control
peak escarp
According to Blizzard, Sigma is “unaware” he’s “being used as a living weapon.” Instead, he’s largely working off-site, in a lab Talon has granted to him.
desert edge
I mean, it's Blizzard's words that he's being manipulated
The main material itself proves that
crisp hearth
i just hope sigma gets some more lore in ow2 to clear some stuff up
arctic hound
Zenyatta is trans
peak escarp
Zenyatta is a robot
desert edge
Zenyatta has a 10 inch monster dong and the best tiddies in monk-land
crisp hearth
i want to see sigma full power potential since its storymode
peak escarp
!!shitposting @desert edge
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desert yacht
sure you weren't
desert edge
Oh that
desert yacht
sigma is one of the main reasons i want talon missions
crisp hearth
theres gonna be a story campaign and just pve hero missions
peak escarp
sigma is one of the main reasons i want talon missions
Sigma is kept in a lab, it's unlikely we'll see him in Story Missions
but there's always Hero Missions
desert yacht
what does the living weapon part mean then
peak escarp
not every hero will appear in the Story Missions
Sigma, the Junkers, Hanzo, Ashe - these heroes are least likely to appear
crisp hearth
talon is using sigma for his research as well
desert yacht
is sigma really less likely than hammond to appear in story missions
peak escarp
I was including Hammond among the Junkers
desert yacht
oh
restive dawn
I'd think Symmetra is also unlikely to appear? Can't think of any other right now apart from what was mentioned.
crisp hearth
Sigma, the Junkers, Hanzo, Ashe - these heroes are least likely to appear
i feel like sigma will at least make some sort of cameo when it comes to talon in the story missions
peak escarp
Symmetra might since there are missions in India
desert yacht
what about ana and 76
desert yacht
2 player missions would be fun but i doubt they'd make them
restive dawn
Ohh, I see, makes sense.
peak escarp
if we get more heroes joining their crusade, we could get DLC missons for them
crisp hearth
they are using sigmas research to further their plans but i wonder how exactly
peak escarp
but afaik they're sticking with 4-player missions
crisp hearth
story mode is probabaly why ow2 is taking a while to come out
desert yacht
undoubtedly
peak escarp
someone speculated that the Puller makes use of Sigma's gravitational research to have that tractor beam
desert yacht
all the animation and voice acting work they'd have to do
peak escarp
since Talon and Null Sector are working together
desert yacht
not to mention all the gameplay stuff
crisp hearth
maps is also gonna be twice the size of overwatch maps
i wonder if they finish pvp before pve is finished, would they release pvp then release pve later
peak escarp
probably not
desert yacht
i'd hope not
peak escarp
they're promoting it as a package
desert yacht
it'd be such a big rip off to release just the pvp update as $60
peak escarp
the PvP update will come to the game whether you buy OW2 or not
it's only the PvE side that will cost extra
desert yacht
yeah so it doesn't make any sense to release it first
peak escarp
but we'll still get more lore before then
comics and short stories
maybe another novel
desert yacht
comics
peak escarp
Blizzard has confirmed more comics are in production
crisp hearth
I wonder if you can buy pvp and pve separately
crisp hearth
I mean if you don’t already own ow1
crisp hearth
Rumor
restive dawn
Not sure about making OW1 free to play (was a rumour afaik), but I'd guess if you don't own OW1, you'll get PvP when you buy OW2.
No use on selling it separately if OW1 owners will get that part for free. Though personally, I wish it'd stay separated. In any case, this isn't lore anymore so.
peak escarp
it's likely that "OW1" will cease to exist when OW2 comes out
crisp hearth
So if you couldn’t buy pve and pvp separately shouldn’t you get a discount on pve if you already have pvp
restive dawn
Yeah, it's more like a replacement than a sequel.
peak escarp
we don't know what the monetization will look like
also AterLupus is right, we're getting off topic
crisp hearth
O yea
restive dawn
So if you couldn’t buy pve and pvp separately shouldn’t you get a discount on pv...
Think of PvE as a separate game, it's the selling point. You'll get the new PvP you want it or not.
peak escarp
if you haven't checked out the latest novel, Deadlock Rebels, I highly recommend it
crisp hearth
Think of PvE as a separate game, it's the selling point. You'll get the new PvP ...
Yea I’m fine with that I’m just wondering if you will get a discount on ow2 if you already do have ow1
desert yacht
i want to get it but i'm stingy with money
peak escarp
really made me appreciate Ashe's character more
desert edge
Actually, I just ordered the novel a couple days ago, waiting on it's arrival
peak escarp
if you have Audible, the audiobook is fantastic
crisp hearth
if you have Audible, the audiobook is fantastic
Does it have the voice actors?
restive dawn
Which novel did you like more from the two of them?
I highly doubt there will be any kind of discount, but I'll drop it here, @crisp hearth.
desert yacht
did they get matt and jennifer to voice it
peak escarp
Does it have the voice actors?
it's read by Jennifer Hale, the voice of Ashe
crisp hearth
Which novel did you like more from the two of them?
I highly doubt there will b...
That’s kinda unfair
peak escarp
she does a fantastic McCree impression
restive dawn
Oh this alone may make me get the audio book lmao.
Really this is my last reply for this alksdjla but they're not obligated to give a discount, in fact, afaik most companies won't give a discount when they release a sequel for the owners of the original. So not really unfair.
I'm guessing the audio book and the ebook version are sold separately, right?
peak escarp
yes
desert edge
I mean makes sense
peak escarp
but they're not too expensive, only about $10
peak escarp
even better
I got all 3 versions (physical, ebook and audiobook) because the better the novels sell, the more likely we are to get more
desert yacht
true
restive dawn
Hmm, I might get them. I'm saving for something really expensive but hey, OW has been my special interest and I'm pretty much an Ashe main at this point lmao. Does the first novel also has an audiobook? (Though I rather read, if it has a voice actor too it'd be super nice).
peak escarp
and like I said, they're not that expensive
The Hero of Numbani also has an audiobook, read by Cherelle Skeete (voice of Orisa)
she reads a bit slowly though, and isn't as good at doing voices for the other characters
crisp hearth
The Hero of Numbani also has an audiobook, read by Cherelle Skeete (voice of Ori...
Without the robotic voice?
peak escarp
no robotic effect, not even for Orisa's dialogue
worthy rose
Now I'm interested in the McCree impression
restive dawn
The fact they get VAs to read the novels is really nice, at least for me, so I might end up getting the ebooks and the audiobooks. While I'd like the physical books too, I'm not in the USA so I'm guessing shipping would up the price some.
worthy rose
does it sound like ashe just mocking him lmao
desert edge
The fact they get VAs to read the novels is really nice, at least for me, so I m...
Nah, I'm in the UK and shipping was non-existent
worthy rose
^ same, though i ordered on the 5th and its expected on the 29th of june through to 29th july
desert edge
That's a long delivery window
Mine's coming by next Wednesday
It was ordered earlier this week
restive dawn
Ohhh alright, I'll check it out then! Thank you.
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iron plume
Final warning.
worn island
Im pretty sure this has been asked before but when orisa says right at the end of The Hero of Numbani "a quick sojourn abroad" does that mean anything in relation to Soujourn, is she the mystery woman?
peak escarp
it likely means that Orisa (and Efi) will go help out Overwatch for a while
it's an odd word to use unless you're specifically trying to hint at a meeting with Sojourn
worn island
yeah i was thinking that
crisp hearth
Which hero’s are fighting for good but isn’t in overwatch or isn’t teaming up with overwatch
peak escarp
Soldier and Ana
and Torbjorn
every other good-aligned hero is either with Overwatch or will join them in the future
crisp hearth
Torbjorn isn’t in overwatch anymore?
peak escarp
he retired and went back to his workshop in Sweden
crisp hearth
Oh
peak escarp
there's a few neutral-aligned heroes who aren't with Overwatch or are going to join them
like Hanzo and Hammond
crisp hearth
Is sym a good person? I don’t really know her lore that much
peak escarp
I'd say she's more neutral
crisp hearth
Would zen be neutral as well
peak escarp
Vishkar does good but uses oppressive/exploitative means
Zen would be good
but he's likely to team up with Overwatch when Genji goes to see him
worthy rose
it wont show here but if someone with perms pastes it, you can see Talon members (sombra, widow, some soldiers) are attacking(?) zen & genji
note that storyboard things are always subject to change, so this may not be final
topaz ledge
is that by Blizzard?!
worthy rose
It's a piece from a storyboard they showed in Blizzconline i believe
compact cobalt
Could sigma kill reaper?
worthy rose
it's pretty even if you can shield dance well
in-game, sigma has better chance of survival imo
lore-wise, fairly matched if sigma's in-game abilities are in lore, too
random narwhal
I don’t understand ults in lore, do they always have access to them?
Why would sig have to wait use one of his abilities? Or why does rein have to wait to use an earthshatter ?
worthy rose
the "wait" is most likely for game balance, im unsure why they'd wait in lore
there's a spreadsheet somewhere here with heroes abilities and if they're known to be in the overwatch universe or just ingame, its a good thing to look at
random narwhal
Is it pinned?
worthy rose
yeah, search for the list from "superduper", listed is abilities and weapons which are featured in lore
polar vault
Any one from usa I need help please dm me
peak escarp
I don’t understand ults in lore, do they always have access to them?
yes - ultimate abilities can be used at will, although some that are tied to items (like Tracer's Pulse Bomb or D.Va's self-destruct) can only be used once before the item needs to be replaced
innate abilities or abilities tied to multi use items (Primal Rage, Deadeye, Tactical Visor, Infrasight, BOB, etc.) appear to be usable at will
sullen raptor
Wait, do winston knew Reaper is Reyes?
When in recall video
(my memory is a bit blur about that video tho, but if he didnt know, what will winston react when fellow ex overwatch attack him)
peak escarp
no, Winston doesn't know that Reaper is Reyes
finite urchin
winston doesn't know that soldier and ana are still alive i think
peak escarp
nope
near smelt
Do we know how roadhogs take a breather works canonically?
iron plume
The stuff inside is his anti-rad medicine
patent silo
Hi ppl who wanna talk
peak escarp
did you have questions about the lore?
patent silo
Yeah
peak escarp
such as?
crisp hearth
Which characters so far are confirmed to be in story mode
peak escarp
Baptiste, Bastion, Brigitte, D.Va, Doomfist, Echo, Genji, Lucio, McCree, Mei, Mercy, Pharah, Reinhardt, Sombra, Torbjorn, Tracer, Widowmaker, Winston, Zarya and Zenyatta have all been seen in the storyboards and cutscenes seen for OW2
crisp hearth
And all hero’s are getting hero missions related to them right?
peak escarp
all heroes will be playable in hero missions
the hero missions are generic, randomized missions, not really related to any heroes
crisp hearth
Oh
limpid agate
Additionally, Orisa was teased to appear in the story. It is also incredibly unlikely that Reaper doesn't appear, considering he was the main villain for a few years, and is still very relevant.
desert edge
Isn't Soujorn also confirmed?
peak escarp
yes, but she's not an OW1 hero
desert edge
Oh right, wasn't sure if they meant that
peak escarp
other OW2 heroes will probably be part of the story too
compact cobalt
Do we have any ideas who the ow2 heroes could be besides sojourn and like mauga
peak escarp
Junker Queen is likely
there was a hint towards someone associated with the Shimada family
but they've been very quiet about new heroes, or even about Sojourn for that matter
limpid agate
Mauga is also kinda heavily teased/unofficially confirmed
topaz ledge
so is uprising during the omnic crisis or after the omnic crisis?
peak escarp
long after the omnic crisis
the omnic crisis was about 30 years ago, Uprising was 7 years ago
peak escarp
there was a letter from their Swordmaster that came out with Kanezaka
desert edge
God I really need to read up on all the lore
peak escarp
and in the Dev Update for Kanezaka, Jeff said that the new map featured lore for a new character connected to the Shimada family
peak escarp
the significant part of the map was the Yamagami sword shop (owned by Asa and Toshiro Yamagami, who were the swordmaster and swordmaker for the Shimada family)
and some graffiti that spells out "yokai", or demon
desert edge
What about the possibility we get the people attacking the Hashimoto?
Or a hashimoto member
peak escarp
there's a theory that the vigilante attacking the Hashimoto is Yamagami's daughter
desert edge
Yeah, just found that whilst researching it
peak escarp
(although I think it's just Hanzo and it's a red herring)
desert edge
I mean, Hanzo did attack multiple times to pay respect to Genji
topaz ledge
Asa
desert edge
And it would be cool to have a Hashimoto as a villain, perhaps they're sided with Talon
peak escarp
there's also graffiti on the Hanamura map that says "Hanzo lurks in the shadows"
peak escarp
Hanzo ga kage kara miteru . . . Hanzo watches from the shadows
I think the daughter is a red herring, and the hero teased will be Asa Yamagami, the former Shimada swordmaster and current enforcer for the Hashimoto
peak escarp
yeah
I hope they tell us about new heroes soon
they've already covered new modes and new maps
peak escarp
surprises are nice too
desert edge
My copy of Deadlock Rebels arrived
Along with my final grades for this academic year
alpine chasm
```According to Blizzard, Sigma is “unaware” he’s “being used as a living weapon...
So if he knew the truth, he would turn on Talon, or?
spare locust
I heard Genji was a ninja
topaz ledge
uhuh
sullen raptor
Or uh...check pin?
iron plume
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This is a guide for people who don't know where to begin with the lore of Overwatch. The first thing is probably to go watch the shorts. They're popular, easy to consume, and pack a lot of story and character.
Shorts Playlist: https://bit.ly/2UQyTeL
There are many comics, short stories, and blog posts as well. The most important ones are:
Binary: https://bit.ly/2IzNvJy
Masquerade: https://bit.ly/2IzNTI0
What You Left Behind: https://bit.ly/2Fh7MRz
There is also an important chain of events following Ana and Soldier 76 (and Mercy at the end):
Legacy: https://bit.ly/2DgM1jQ
Old Soldiers: https://bit.ly/2KLILTV
Bastet: https://bit.ly/2QuXHmM
Valkyrie: https://bit.ly/2CF5JVE
The rest of the stories are mostly optional. Special mention goes out to the Junkers, who have an entertaining string of stories:
Wasted Land: https://bit.ly/2DeKB9G
A Moment in Crime: http://bit.ly/2fMsVYB
Going Legit: https://bit.ly/2InZUkm
The Plan: http://bit.ly/2uZiitC
iron plume
There's not really a specific order for the rest of it
crisp hearth
I hope the story campaign has like side missions related to the junkers and other people
limpid agate
I dont think it will
They said not all heroes will appear in the campaign
But there will almost certainly be post-launch story
peak escarp
we know of 1 confirmed, 2-6 speculated
apparently there was a dev interview with Chu and one of the lead artists saying they wanted OW2 to launch with 40 heroes (so the 32 from OW1 plus 8 more), but I've never been able to find it
compact cobalt
They’re really hiding the new heroes
peak escarp
they're a big part of OW2
I think we won't get info on them until much closer to launch
aside from hints and clues
they may have already been hinted and we won't know it until they get revealed as an upcoming hero
many post-launch heroes appeared first in the lore before being playable
the only ones who didn't were Orisa, Ashe, Baptiste and Sigma
crisp hearth
The whispers that play when sigma uses his ability’s is actually kinda creepy
pastel dust
Oh yeah for sure
And they're just quiet enough so that you can only hear them if you're paying attention
Oh yeah he's terrifying
peak escarp
good thing he's not violent
worthy rose
All ults would be pretty terrifying irl
compact cobalt
many post-launch heroes appeared first in the lore before being playable
When was echo hinted?
peak escarp
she appeared in Reunion in 2018 and wasn't added to the game until 2020
not so much a hint as "here's Echo, she'll be playable in the future"
desert edge
Actually, Mercy's ult is probably the scariest
Think about it, it would be pretty scary to see a random person flying around with wings looking like an angel
desert edge
Once you consider in how angel's are supposed to look
Won't let me put it here though
Point is, if you think someone is about to turn into that
I don't wanna see it
peak escarp
wouldn't be that scary
limpid agate
She's also not literally an angel
native venture
All ults would be pretty terrifying irl
I don’t think a blue shimmering wall would be all that terrifying
desert yacht
I don’t think a blue shimmering wall would be all that terrifying
I think it’d be scary to us, but in the overwatch world it’d probably just be a little surprising at first to see a hardlight wall that expansive
limpid agate
The vast majority would not be terrifying
worthy rose
Giant red gorilla
limpid agate
I said vast majority.
desert yacht
would sound barrier murder people
I still don’t understand how that works
the sonic technology makes the least amount of sense to me out of most of the things in the OW universe honestly
spark parcel
Lucio doesn’t have any healing abilities in lore. That’s only for gameplay.
peak escarp
the soundbarrier is canon though
“I’ve got you covered,” Lúcio said as he jumped over the railing, skates leaving trails of green light as he rode down the wall like he’d forgotten how gravity was supposed to work. He pushed his way toward the most vulnerable part of the crowd, those nearest to Doomfist. “Oh, let’s break it down!” he shouted as he activated his sound barrier, providing the audience with protection as they fled to safety.
raven dove
Hope I'm not being too stupid but I'm a bit curious and confused about the Junkertown lore
Did the ALF members become Junkers?
raven dove
Is the ALF still around or did they disband after destroying the omnium?
peak escarp
I think they disbanded, we haven't heard anything about them post-explosion
raven dove
Alright thanks!
worn island
Speaking of that, when did the explosion happen?
worn island
Was Australia a more or less normal country before that?
like, developing alongside all the other countries
peak escarp
Australia is still a normal country
it's just the outback that's gone Mad Max
we see Sydney in "Going Legit" and it looks pretty normal and modern
limpid agate
Better late than never I suppose.
Twitter
I hope its just the cover art, and not "Calamity"
worn island
Her doesn't seem as "fluffy" as in the book cover
limpid agate
It does look straighter
worn island
assuming the skin is gonna just be the book cover one
could technically be something else
peak escarp
I think the silhouette matches pretty well
peak escarp
the what
compact cobalt
isnt there radiation in the outback?
humble grotto
is hanzo related to anyone
peak escarp
isnt there radiation in the outback?
yes
peak escarp
is hanzo related to anyone
he's Genji's older brother
humble grotto
coooool
humble grotto
he's Genji's older brother
Who would win tho 🤔
humble grotto
Woo hoo
crisp hearth
he already won
Well they fought again and genji basically won
peak escarp
okay
humble grotto
so hanzo and genii are the dragon brothers
worthy rose
Hanzo doesn't really have anyways to win.The arrows would be deflected and Hanzo would struggle putting Genji down since hes very durable
dull grotto
i just found out genji is a cyborg lol no one tells me these things
dull grotto
i also found out the doomfirst cant take off his big punching hand did u know that
dull grotto
no way that makes him even hotter
limpid agate
i just found out genji is a cyborg lol no one tells me these things
Genji says it himself. Its also in his character bio
Read the character bios
worthy rose
"My halloween costume? Cyborg Ninja" is my favourite line of his mentioning his state of being
worn island
what's Genjis sword called again?
drowsy violet
what's Genjis sword called again?
Well the ult for it is called "The Dragons Blade", I think
drowsy violet
also is that black black part a tattoo, shading, or did he get a dark tan or something?
peak escarp
he has a prosthetic arm
worn island
no it has a name, something in japanese i think
peak escarp
what's Genjis sword called again?
Ryu Ichimonji
worn island
thats it, thankyou
crisp hearth
What was the time span between overwatchs collapse and recall
peak escarp
5 years
peak escarp
rough timeline of the last 15 years:
-15: Mercy joins Overwatch
-12: Hanzo almost kills Genji, Genji is saved by Overwatch
-9: Ecopoint Antarctica is hit by a polar storm, Mei's team goes into cryostasis
-8: Retribution
-7: Uprising
-6: Storm Rising/Ana goes MIA/Jack and Gabe fight and blow up the HQ
-5: Overwatch disbanded
longer version: https://docs.google.com/document/d/19K_zQ_UM0xQ0a7tahFwKLo5BmR41GEEezWezvIoJ__E/edit?usp=sharing
desert edge
R - 6 really is a busy year
How did it take an entire year after that to shut them down though lmao
iron plume
The wheels of bureaucracy turn slow
dense talon
longer version: https://docs.google.com/document/d/19K_zQ_UM0xQ0a7tahFwKLo5BmR41...
oooo is that EVERYTHING?
iron plume
basically yes
dense talon
thats awesome
honestly no game does lore the right way overwatch is the only one
and i feel like everyone tries to copy the style overwatch does it in and no one is able to do it but blizzard haha
iron plume
eeh
iron plume
for one there's games that are actually focused on worldbuilding primarily
desert edge
There's also the fact that many games have amazing lore from before OW
pastel dust
I think it's really the FPS games that don't really get it quite right, I've never seen lore as good as OW
But I can list quite a few (Single player) games that have just as much lore
compact cobalt
valorant is trying to do it too
pastel dust
Is it? I've never played it
From what I know it's got the "every character has unique abilities" thing
But I do love how much the Overwatch team does for the game. It's very impressive.
If they weren't passionate for the game and just wanted to do it for the money, they wouldn't make dozens of comics and 5 short novels just about lore
iron plume
there's 4 short stories
pastel dust
I must have miscounted. My point still stands though
opaque tundra
*4
iron plume
yes, that
desert edge
There is one game that’s kinda doing it good
Titanfall
They have 3 games
Comics
And there’s a possibility for a fourth game
Depends on how long ea wanna drag out apex legends
peak escarp
Overwatch has a lot of lore for a game that didn't prioritize the lore until the sequel
pastel dust
Yeah I think that's the only downside
pastel dust
Yeah me too
I loved the look on the cover art so I can't wait to see what it looks like in game
pastel dust
Well I can assume it is, since it says Deadlock Rebels
I'm totally getting that skin
blissful dock
Wait can someone link the comic
desert edge
It's a book unfortunately
pastel dust
It's a novel, and you can purchase it online
blissful dock
peak escarp
I loved it
urban garnet
Can someone send me a link to the new ashe even skin
peak escarp
it hasn't been revealed yet
limpid agate
It looks to be a legendary
They dont often do legendaries for these skin challenges.
peak escarp
they've done a few - Dr. Ziegler, Maestro, Lego Bastion
ornate gust
anas bastet and sigmas maestro are the only other legendaries i can think of
peak escarp
Bastet was epic
ornate gust
oh yeah and the mercy and bastion ones
desert edge
I wish I could get Ziegler
mortal rock
I am so mad I missed leto bastion
limpid agate
They've done a few, but its not often
Even ignoring the 3 we get every event (2 for Halloween 2019)
Pachimarchi, Kanezaka, Stone By Stone, London Calling were the last 4
All epic
crisp hearth
How does baps immortality field work
iron plume
We don't know exactly but it seems like it projects a barrier around the vital organs
The resulting explosion shattered the air. The middle of the pier was blown into the air, chunks of concrete raining into the bay. Some crashed into the decks of nearby boats, capsizing them. Seagulls scattered overhead, shrieking.
When the smoke cleared, Mauga was gone. Baptiste lay on one end of the pier, battered but breathing. The prototype device hummed in the air, emitting a protective field of energy around him. It was the only thing that had kept him alive.
“Good to know that works,” he wheezed, pressing a button on top```to use sci-fi jargon, it's probably an inertia dampening field
peak escarp
reduces fatal velocity so it still hurts but won't kill you
worn island
It seems almost like a tougher second skin, like you can still be moved and interacted with but you can't be wounded outside of blunt smacks
feral musk
Inform me about Doomfist lore
peak escarp
his family owns a high tech prosthetics company and in his youth he competed in martial arts tournaments until he lost his right arm and became ineligible to compete with a prosthetic arm
so he turned to crime, and fell under the mentorship of Akinjide Adeyemi, the Second Doomfist
peak escarp
eventually, Akande kills his mentor and takes up the title of Doomfist, rising through the ranks to become a leader of Talon . . . just in time for Overwatch to arrest him and lock him away for 6 years
feral musk
The Doomfist animated short is a literal masterpiece
limpid agate
@worthy rose This is not a shipping channel
slender crypt
So... Stone by Stone is an interesting read, I really do like the interactions between Satya and Zenyatta, though I'm not done with the book yet
Aurora kinda reminds me of Orisa in that she's curious about the world and wanting to learn
So there's something more to Vishkar then meets the eye, I actually really enjoyed that
I also realize, the interaction between Zenyatta and Symmetra in-game literally make no sense when you actually read the short story about them, yes I know they aren't canon but, Symmetra was literally changed by Zenyatta
random narwhal
I also realize, the interaction between Zenyatta and Symmetra in-game literally ...
I believe those interactions were before, they got new voice lines when the book came out (look up overwatch interactions, it’s yt channel with ow interactions)
slender crypt
I believe those interactions were before, they got new voice lines when the book...
Oh thank god they changed them, I don't see how Symmetra could hate Zenyatta when her live was changed by him XD
cosmic crest
That interaction made no sense even before the short story.
Sym comments on how it's ridiculous to be lectured about order by a machine, but machines are orderly by nature.
slender crypt
Sym comments on how it's ridiculous to be lectured about order by a machine, but...
yeah, therefore Sym would have no problem with Omnics
And Zenyatta would be the definition of peaceful and orderly
random narwhal
Do you guys think anyone is going to die in ow2?
Like death as in canonical death
ornate gust
most likely not a playable character
iron plume
It's highly unlikely
peak escarp
I doubt it
desert edge
Maybe they could kill off a talon member
desert edge
Actually, I think it would be a good idea to kill off a playable one
blissful dock
Bc i think Maximilian will be playable
desert edge
Games kill off playable characters all the time, and it makes great plot points
Like if they killed off Doomfist for there to be another power vacuum in Talon
Or maybe Solider goes up against Reaper again
blissful dock
It would be cool but unlikely
desert edge
Yeah
peak escarp
I don't think Maximilien will be a playable hero
peak escarp
he's too much of a coward
desert edge
Maximillian only cares about cash
And his life
Dude wouldn't betray Talon with a way for them to find out
Like literally swapping sides
peak escarp
I disagree - I think he's going to turn on Talon
we've already seen that he's not happy about the war they're starting
in the 2019 trailer
desert edge
Gonna watch it real quick
peak escarp
Maximilien: I can't do this.
Doomfist: You've made your choice. Nobody will stop us.
desert edge
First time I've seen it, certainly interesting
worthy rose
<@456226577798135808> This is not a shipping channel
i just wanted lore ab them ugh 🙄
arctic loom
worn island
like most, if not all of the legendary edition ones right
cosmic crest
Not really, but a lot of them are cannon.
limpid agate
In other words, no @arctic loom
Many canon skins are not from Archives.
Likewise, many Archives skins are non-canon.
Or not yet canon for some
Especially this year's, none of those are canon.
A few examples of past skins we know or can assume are not cannon are King Jamison, Socialite, Gwishin, Equalizer, and the 3 Monaco epics.
young knoll
new book out?
ornate gust
yes
slender crypt
I have to catch up on a lot of short stories and comics but I'm liking what i'm reading so far
pastel dust
Yes.
zinc trellis
I am halfway through and the ashe x mccree moments are just so cute
peak escarp
I like the part when ||Ashe asks BOB if he thinks McCree is handsome and BOB gives the "meh" gesture||
worn island
||BOB throwing heat||
slender crypt
||bob neither agrees nor disagrees that Mccree is handsome||
feral musk
Archives I feel sadly isn't about lore anymore
peak escarp
how is it not?
feral musk
Last few events haven't been like canonical skins
slender crypt
Most Skins aren't canon
feral musk
This year makes it seem like they're going the Overwatch characters throughout History route
slender crypt
The recent one is a canon skin however with the Ashe Skin
feral musk
Most Skins aren't canon
A decent chunk are
feral musk
Yeah true
slender crypt
Imo, I don't think Skins should be canon with the actual story-line, but that's just me
They're literally just skins to make your character look better
peak escarp
so heroes can't have skins based on their history?
slender crypt
so heroes can't have skins based on their history?
Never said that, but It shouldn't be like, 'true canon' , hard to explain
feral musk
I like canonical skins
peak escarp
I don't know what you mean by "true canon"
feral musk
Blackwatch skins are "true canon"
slender crypt
Anyways, I'ma go read Deadlock Rebels now
feral musk
Uprising skins as well
feral musk
^
slender crypt
It was a term we used for stuff like SCP Foundation, where we had to pick out what was actually canon and what wasn't, cause everything in it is techinically 'canon', true canon for us just meant that what we were reading was actually part of the story and not something made just for a short story, seems like it applied to OW but really doesn't know
peak escarp
Overwatch doesn't have non-canon- . . . well, it does have the Junkenstein AU
and the Yeti Hunter story
limpid agate
Archives is about the past of the Overwatch universe.
The historical past of the Overwatch universe (18th century) is the same as the historical past of our universe.
crisp hearth
Man it’s amazing to see how much effort they are actually putting into story mode if you really look into it
crisp hearth
I’m excited to have fun with hero talents
vivid horizon
Baptiste is the most boring character lore-wise
crisp hearth
How
limpid agate
Baptiste is the most boring character lore-wise
If you want to make a post, you should elaborate.
This is a discussion channel
worn island
he has a short story, which is a fair bit more than some heroes
worn island
zen has lore
stone by stone
I'd say that Baptistes personality is positive, jokey and somewhat sarcastic
crisp hearth
Bap does have personality?
vivid horizon
But tracer also has that kind of personality
A lot of heroes have that type of personality
austere steeple
is roadhogs love of pachimari canon?
vivid horizon
Yes
slender crypt
A lot of heroes have that type of personality
You do realize, Not a lot of heroes actually have that type of personality?
Only ones I can think of are Baptiste, Tracer, Genji, and Junkrat
iron plume
even if you go by that simple description, there's not many heroes that fit it
Genji is positive but not really jokey
Tracer is rarely sarcastic
Junkrat also is hardly sarcastic and I'd say not actually positive
If anything Baptiste's personality is closest to Mercy
Because they're both deeply altruistic and driven in part by regret of their past
desert edge
Reinhardt makes dad jokes, and is pretty positive
austere steeple
junkrat is a lunatic with a negative number valued impulse control
blissful dock
If anything Baptiste's personality is closest to Mercy
Because they're both deep...
They even worked together
toxic rock
tracer=gay
limpid agate
Baptiste is snarky. Like, MCU snarky.
But because the MCU and similar movies dominated the last decade
Baptiste looks generic
peak escarp
personally I think Tracer has the worst personality - too cheerful and optimistic
desert edge
B-but cheers love the cavalry's 'ere?
peak escarp
peppy people get annoying fast
peak escarp
I prefer characters who are laid-back, with a good sense of humor and solid morals
Hana is alright, when she's not being D.Va
but we don't get to see much of her real personality
feral musk
In shooting star she gave off narcissistic vibes to me
peak escarp
she does have a bit of a hero complex
the whole "I'm the only one who can do it" bit
just wish that short was better written
crisp hearth
I know the junkers are just side characters really but they are hilarious I want more of them
compact cobalt
I prefer characters who are laid-back, with a good sense of humor and solid mora...
Why rein is the best written character:
peak escarp
Rein has big uncle energy
rugged zephyr
Please tell me I’m not the only one who thinks Baptiste is the most bland character in the game
desert yacht
idk, what you left behind fleshed out bap lorewise and personalitywise
it’s hard to call any of the characters bland, though I’d like to see Brigitte fleshed out a bit more
she just seems like an attachment to Reinhardt and Torbjorn’s stories right now, which is fine for a character like hanzo who isn’t a part of the main story, but she’s joining new overwatch
I get that she’s Reinhardt’s squire but I’d like to see her get some independent story stuff
peak escarp
especially for a redemption ark
how could Widowmaker possibly be redeemed?
desert edge
That’s like saying reaper can be redeemed, because he wasn’t always evil
peak escarp
what does redeemed even mean in this context?
Widowmaker will never be one of the good guys
desert yacht
on this topic, how does whatever talon did to widowmaker work?
desert yacht
is she brainwashed?
lyric sluice
btw queue times are NOT faster they lied smhhh
peak escarp
even if she no longer found pleasure in killing, the good guys wouldn't just accept her
peak escarp
is the ashe skin canon
yes, it's from the novel
spare shadow
does that mean everything from the novels are canon?
peak escarp
is she brainwashed?
she's conditioned to not feel any emotion, and to find pleasure in killing
desert yacht
i'm just wondering about her allegiance to talon, having been the wife of an overwatch official
spare shadow
ok
desert yacht
is it like a stockholm syndrome type of thing
desert yacht
yeah then i don't really see a redemption arc being possible, this doesn't seem too reversible without some type of disney magic
spare shadow
im seriously wondering how everyone just turned on each other and the overwatch game happened
desert yacht
it isn't canon, i'd think of it as a training simulation
peak escarp
im seriously wondering how everyone just turned on each other and the overwatch ...
the game isn't canon
spare shadow
oh lol
spare shadow
at least its fun ig?
peak escarp
and OW2'w Story Missions
the game is like playing with action figures
hypothetical fights
but not actual scenarios that really happened
spare shadow
yeah i just wanted to know when reinhardt vs tracer was coming to theatres
peak escarp
in regards to Widowmaker, she does have free will - she visits her husband's grave and moved in to her family's ancestral mansion
we don't really know her motivations, but since she gets pleasure from killing and Talon lets her kill, she's got no reason to leave even if they would let her
crisp hearth
Do you guys think any playable characters will actually die in the story mode
desert edge
Nah, it could happen
Reinhardt rushes off an edge, forgets it OW 2 and just doesn't stop
But seriously, no deaths being possible is something they may want us to think
Death can be a powerful tool in story writing
Just because the basis was pvp doesn't mean people can't die
The characters can still be used, regardless of their canon status
cosmic crest
It would be very strange to have a character be playable and interact with the other characters whilst they are dead in the lore.
peak escarp
But seriously, no deaths being possible is something they may want us to think
they've already said they're open to the possibility
but any hero that dies in the lore will remain playable
desert edge
Yo let's go
Doctor backed me up
But yeah, I mean they can do whatever they want, the idea of fans getting annoyed over deaths shouldn't limit them
peak escarp
doesn't mean I think they will kill anyone
if they do, it'll be Bastion, who can be repaired/rebuilt the way Orisa was
they also shouldn't do it just for shock value
plenty of great stories don't have any main characters die in them
desert edge
Yeah ik
peak escarp
not really a redemption arc, but I think Maximilien will flip on Talon
desert edge
My list of possible deaths is:
Reaper
Orisa
Bastion
Soldier
Ana
Reinhardt
Echo
Mcree
Hanzo
Winston
peak escarp
My list of possible deaths is:
Reaper
Orisa
Bastion
Soldier
Ana
Reinhardt
Echo
M...
why them?
desert edge
Alright so
Solider, Ana, Reaper have been around for a while now
Sure they could kill off another talon member, but a playable one makes sense
So there's Reaper, Sigma, Widow etc
peak escarp
they're not even the oldest
desert edge
I know that
But timeline wise and having the most impact, they've certainly been there a long time
peak escarp
also everyone already thinks they're dead
desert edge
Yeah ik
peak escarp
so them actually dying would be pointless
desert edge
But I mean, that doesn't change the fact they can die
Sure it may seem pointless
But even believed dead they are still dead
Bastion, Echo and Orisa could always die shortly and come back, possibly with improvements/changes to their characters
peak escarp
they all already have
desert edge
Mcree dying may be the least likely on that list, however I feel like there's a possibility. Either that or maybe some sort of redemption with the Deadlock gang, or maybe even he fights them or something idk
peak escarp
he already fought them
desert edge
I know that lmao
desert edge
I mean sure it's unlikely, but that's where the fun of it comes from
peak escarp
good writing builds up to things
desert edge
Well maybe a final showdown with them, where either him or Ashe dies
peak escarp
bad writing shoves in plot twists and subverts expectations just to say "Haha you were wrong"
why Hanzo or Winston?
desert edge
I wouldn't exactly call that bad writing
Well currently Winston is sort of the leader of OW, as far as I can tell at least, so having him die as a way to inspire the rest of them wouldn't be the worst idea
He's already proven he's willing to die to save everyone else
And I mean, Hanzo isn't exactly quiet about his want for redemption, and dying is seen as honorable in Japan
peak escarp
dying isn't honorable, it's a way to protect your honor
because living would be a disgrace
desert edge
"Seppuku is a form of taking one's own life that was considered honourable among the feudal Japanese samurai class. Traditionally, the act consisted of stabbing oneself in the abdomen with a short sword to ensure a slow and agonizing death."
peak escarp
but Hanzo wants to reclaim his honor, so I dont think he wants to kill himself
desert edge
Sure it wouldn't be the same as killing himself
But dying to protect Genji could regain his honour
peak escarp
so could a lot of things that don't involve dying
desert edge
True
But I'm just saying what I think the most likely deaths are
Not deaths I think will happen
peak escarp
character death has to be meaningful
desert edge
I mean, compared to Sombra or Brigitte, those deaths would probably have more impact
peak escarp
the only one I could see happening is Reinhardt sacrificing himself to protect Bastion - someone who was once an enemy, but Reinhardt has learned to forgive
desert edge
Really?
I don't think Reinhardt would die to protect that
It seems more likely that he'd die for Brigitte, Torb etc
peak escarp
it would be a meaningful sacrifice
we already know he'd protect Brig or Torb
but doing it for Bastion would show character growth
desert edge
Idk, I suppose I just don't see any point in him dying for something that can be rebuilt
peak escarp
not all omnics can be rebuilt
it depends on the damage
the OR15 that became Orisa didn't die, it was decommissioned
desert edge
I thought Orisa was built from the broken OR15 in Numbani?
Lmao, really need to read the book
It's arriving Sunday
crisp hearth
I hope they do more with sigmas character cause he was kinda rushed out
round salmon
I hope they do more with sigmas character cause he was kinda rushed out
same, i wish we knew more about some of the other talon people like moria symmetra and sigma
crisp hearth
same, i wish we knew more about some of the other talon people like moria symmet...
Sym isn’t talon
round salmon
Sym isn’t talon
I thought she was apart of talon?
maybe i’m dumb
but still i think sigma had potential to be a super interesting character
peak escarp
I thought she was apart of talon?
her boss is
peak escarp
a lot of heroes have unexplored potential
worn island
I feel like yall always talk about characters that dont have enough lore, what about the ones that do? who do we know the most about?
peak escarp
we know the entirety of Orisa's life
in terms of lore appearances - Tracer, Winston, Reaper and Soldier have the most
peak escarp
seems like it
remote vapor
what does *redeemed* even mean in this context?
As in she's only being brainwashed dude so she could overcome it for innstance and have an act of valour or smthn
peak escarp
she's not being brainwashed though
she's conditioned - she still has free will
she would not have an act of valor
the only thing that makes her feel anything is killing
remote vapor
Not exactly, she was not originally a ruthless emotionless sociopath
peak escarp
Her mission complete, Amélie returned to Talon, and they completed the process of turning her into a living weapon. She was given extensive training in the covert arts, and then her physiology was altered, drastically slowing her heart, which turned her skin cold and blue and numbed her ability to experience human emotion. Amélie was gone.
remote vapor
In a way I could say she was being brainwashed
spare shadow
you said that nothing from the games was canon... right?
peak escarp
you said that nothing from the games was canon... right?
not exactly
spare shadow
well besides archives
but then how'd we know that Ana's favorite vacation spot is hawaii?
peak escarp
the gameplay isn't canon, and the interactions are hypothetical (they are what the heroes would say if they met, but don't represent actual conversations that have happened)
remote vapor
```Her mission complete, Amélie returned to Talon, and they completed the proces...
See where you're coming from though although the fact that she was altered to only feel something from gaining a large kill count was a big change in her mindset
peak escarp
it's still not brainwashing
spare shadow
#played #weiner
remote vapor
I guess so, she's not exactly being controlled in ever action she does
peak escarp
brainwashing is changing what someone believes - Widowmaker doesn't believe Talon is good and that she's doing the right thing
she kills because it makes her feel good
she probably doesn't care for Talon's goals
spare shadow
isn't widowmaker a widow
remote vapor
Well, do we really know that?
peak escarp
isn't widowmaker a widow
yes - her first kill was her husband
remote vapor
isn't widowmaker a widow
Yes she killed her own husband hence where the name came from
spare shadow
why though
remote vapor
Talon enforced her to do so
spare shadow
Talon ig
desert yacht
she seems to care at least a little for talon
peak escarp
because Talon kidnapped her and used her as a sleeper agent
spare shadow
ohhh ok
peak escarp
Two weeks later she killed Gérard in his sleep.```her interactions with bap and hanzo would suggest it at least
remote vapor
she seems to care at least a little for talon
EXactly.
She seems to defend their antics alot.
iron raven
Is it just me or is comp going to hell bc of ppl who just mess around
desert yacht
not exactly defend
peak escarp
Is it just me or is comp going to hell bc of ppl who just mess around
this is the lore channel
remote vapor
this is the lore channel
Lmaoo.
iron raven
i have absultly no clue how to do anything on discord no more sorry Lmaoo
remote vapor
not exactly defend
Well, as in she tries to grow their forces and capture those who are wanted
limpid agate
..?
What?
Widowmaker isn't who they send to capture people alive.
Widowmaker is who they send to execute people they don't want alive.
And she follows through eagerly because it is the only thing that brings her life.
spare shadow
does reinhardt have anyone in life
limpid agate
What do you mean by that
spare shadow
like does he have anything
peak escarp
he's close friends with Torbjorn and his family
he's got Brigitte as his goddaughter
spare shadow
what's that
limpid agate
Rein has his code that he follows, and his pursuit of tilting at windmills.
spare shadow
what
peak escarp
Reinhardt is Brigitte's godfather - someone who is assigned as a guardian/proxy for one's parents
peak escarp
that too
desert yacht
he’s like an honorary uncle
spare shadow
he has the jokes too
peak escarp
when he left on his wandering quest, Brigitte asked to go with him
peak escarp
Though Overwatch was eventually disbanded, Reinhardt was not content to sit idly by while the world fell to disorder. Once again donning his Crusader armor, he has vowed to fight for justice across Europe like a knight of old, defending the innocent and winning hearts and minds with the promise of better days to come.
you should really read the hero bios
peak escarp
peak escarp
Blackwatch was the black ops division of Overwatch
they did the illegal stuff - kidnapping, assassination, espionage
limpid agate
No
spare shadow
wait what
spare shadow
why did he have to go to jail
peak escarp
McCree got his redemption arc