like he can think for himself
#lore-discussion
inner jasper
iron plume
That's sapient
Sentient just means you can feel and respond to things
Which he clearly is
iron plume
He is definitely sentient, because he responds to his environment
He is also most likely sapient, as we see him 'think' about Torb meeting him in Binary
inner jasper
thats nice
im sorry if im being bothering with questions, but how does zen work?
how did a robot get enlightenment?
iron plume
We don't know
There's some expansion upon it in Stone By Stone, but the details are still unclear
tribal plume
Yeah it's pretty sad
inner jasper
wow
after reading stone by stone i really like zen and symmetra
reading this lore readlly makes you appreciate the characters
tribal plume
Yeah, I really like Stone by Stone because I love Sym (haha) and it tells up a bit more about Vishkar.
iron plume
a lot
pastel dust
yes
jaunty crown
who funds talon anyway
tribal plume
who funds talon anyway
Well, a lot of people. Max is one of them, though.
regal karma
I may be wrong, but doesn't talon act as a private military? Is it possible they get alot of their funding from jobs paid for be people unknowing to their true purpose?
cosmic crest
I don't believe that's true. Tallon are a known terrorist organisation.
regal karma
Just read the wiki, after the omnic crisis they were "seen" as a "well paid mercenary group". I dont know if "seem" means they actually were a mercenary group or they just pretended to be one
cosmic crest
Well it's a known fact that they are terrorists. Overwatch tried for years to bring them down.
peak escarp
they recruited people (like Baptiste) by posing as a mercenary group, probably under different names
regal karma
I know overwatch tried to destroy them and by the attack on the Blackwatch base they probably were well known as a terrorist organisation
jaunty crown
what was the point of blackwatch
regal karma
I think it was used for more secretive missions, making moves on things like talon and other organisations.
sullen raptor
I thought blackwatch was formed because overwatch had to put good image thing
Good publicity etc
And then things get sour and difficult and blackwatch has to be created to do dirty work?
iron plume
You're saying essentially the same things
peak escarp
Blackwatch was made to do the dirty work while Overwatch could maintain it's clean image
but from the sounds of it, Blackwatch has been around since basically the beginning
or at least post-crisis
regal karma
Didn't it form when Gabriel Reyes was swapped out of Overwatch command for Jack Morrison?
iron plume
Reyes was never "swapped out" of Overwatch
He was the leader of a pre-Overwatch strike team but Overwatch was always led by Morrison
Blackwatch was likely formed after the Crisis when Overwatch became more of a world police than a specific military operation
worthy rose
Is there a place or video where I can get a comprehensive series on the heroes and the story?
Be it multiple vids
overwatch has lor e/
?
peak escarp
!!loreguide
twilit nacelleBOT
This is a guide for people who don't know where to begin with the lore of Overwatch. The first thing is probably to go watch the shorts. They're popular, easy to consume, and pack a lot of story and character.
Shorts Playlist: https://bit.ly/2UQyTeL
There are many comics, short stories, and blog posts as well. The most important ones are:
Binary: https://bit.ly/2IzNvJy
Masquerade: https://bit.ly/2IzNTI0
What You Left Behind: https://bit.ly/2Fh7MRz
There is also an important chain of events following Ana and Soldier 76 (and Mercy at the end):
Legacy: https://bit.ly/2DgM1jQ
Old Soldiers: https://bit.ly/2KLILTV
Bastet: https://bit.ly/2QuXHmM
Valkyrie: https://bit.ly/2CF5JVE
The rest of the stories are mostly optional. Special mention goes out to the Junkers, who have an entertaining string of stories:
Wasted Land: https://bit.ly/2DeKB9G
A Moment in Crime: http://bit.ly/2fMsVYB
Going Legit: https://bit.ly/2InZUkm
The Plan: http://bit.ly/2uZiitC
peak escarp
if you want more detail, you can watch the shorts and read the comics and short stories
or ask the people here
peak escarp
he was in both
worthy rose
so he’s in overwatch now??
peak escarp
yes
worthy rose
So was there a reason he joined black watch? Or was he forced to join
peak escarp
he was initially recruited into Blackwatch to help them take down the Shimada family
when Blackwatch was suspended following Retribution, Genji shifted to the Overwatch strike team
after Winston's Recall, Genji was among the first to respond
sullen raptor
I only thought he joined Blackwatch because of his scary looking appearance
I mean one of reason
Imagine in daylight u see cables and plates embedded in human flesh
sullen raptor
The skin is cool but looks scary in daylight
Veins might be visible
I mean in storm rising and doomfist thing he is proper machine form
And in zero hour he wear a hoodie-
(or was it ow2)
Why he need a hoodie 
peak escarp
because he was naked
sullen raptor
peak escarp
he wears a hoodie now to hide his cyborg body - before, he didn't see his cyborg body as part of himself, so he didn't feel like it needed covering
pastel dust
Genji was part of Talon too, right? That's when he had the scary skin with the tubes and stuff
pastel dust
Ohh right I was going off of the Retribution mission in the Archives event but I forgot Moria was a part of Blackwatch
And that Reyes wasn't a ghosty monster in the event (At least in canon)
sullen raptor
Why was moira in that retribution mission anyway
Is the deal with antonio has anything to do with her research or?
peak escarp
she was there because she was part of Blackwatch
sullen raptor
(not because shes a healer..thats gameplay)
peak escarp
and she was monitoring Reyes
sullen raptor
Ah
peak escarp
she had already started working on him at that point
you can hear her asking about his condition in Story mode
sullen raptor
I mean theres probably other scientist or agents on blackwatch..but the monitoring part makes sense
jaunty crown
i thought blackwatch consisted of those four only
i don't remember anything being revealed outside of that
covert echo
There was the blackwatch pilot from retribution.
limpid agate
!!wiki Fio
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For more information about the game, please refer to the wiki: https://overwatch.gamepedia.com/Fio
limpid agate
There was also the whole Blackwatch Facility in Rome
jaunty crown
well shit
stuck cradle
Do u think with Overwatch 2 they're going to extend the lore into the future with Co-op, do it in the past and fill in gaps or a bit of both?
sullen raptor
I think extend
tribal plume
Its looking a lot like they just extend it present day. I don’t think they’ll do missions from the past but maybe.
iron plume
The main story will be the one starting with Zero Hour
sly kettle
I hope they extend it but I can see some stories like with Soldier and Ana being past related
still post recall but before Zero hour though
peak escarp
we'll probably get more of those sort of stories in comics/short stories leading up to release
and the past can still be explored in comics/stories/novels too
so far most of the lore we've gotten has happened between Recall and Zero Hour
sly kettle
true, it'd just be kind of cool to get a soldier/ana team up co-op
worthy rose
There was also the whole Blackwatch Facility in Rome
Imagine if that’s there in OW2
limpid agate
Imagine if that’s there in OW2
It won't be, it was destroyed 8 years prior
worthy rose
Oh, man I have no idea on my lore
When people who are new ask I just say there’s overwatch with blackwarxh and talon
limpid agate
Just say you don't know then.
Blackwatch is part of Overwatch
Its not something separate.
sly kettle
Did Talon strike first against Blackwatch? I get the whole Rome thing was a counter assault, but was there any operation prior to that Blackwatch took against Talon?
peak escarp
Talon attacked the Rome base to get to Gerard Lacroix, who was the head of the anti Talon division
when they failed to kill him, they took a different approach and went after his wife instead
Amelie Lacroix, who would be turned into the assassin Widowmaker
sly kettle
ahh. so how'd they know to target Gerard and Blackwatch instead of all of Overwatch.. weren't they still hidden from the public eye?
peak escarp
because Talon had moles in Overwatch
sly kettle
oh wow
peak escarp
people like Vernand Sainclair who fed information to Talon for years before it fell
(he was the target in Baptiste's short story)
sly kettle
was Baptiste operating under Talon when Sinclair became his target? Or was he an overwatch agent
I only remember his origin story clip
tribal plume
He wasn't technically either, he was just working with Nguyen and Mauga because they threatened him.
peak escarp
tribal plume
Which are Talon members.
peak escarp
Baptiste had left Talon, but Mauga and Nguyen tracked him down and pressed him into doing a mission with them
Baptiste wasn't part of Overwatch (but OW2 storyboards suggest he will be in the future)
sly kettle
ok yeah. all this makes sense.
I really hope they do bring Baptiste in, he comes off as a hero
It's pretty sad how Overwatch in the near past time was depicted so poorly.. hopefully that changes
worthy rose
Sadly it wasn't just depicted, it did have a lot of problems, enter Blackwatch
tribal plume
It's a good read, I dunno about the "hot" part.
thorny roost
Bastion is bad
iron plume
!!loreonly @thorny roost
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thorny roost
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I mean he is a bad guy. He is on talons side
iron plume
No he's not
thorny roost
?
regal karma
Hes non affiliated right?
thorny roost
He is not part of ow
regal karma
More than just ow and talon
iron plume
Not everyone is either part of Overwatch or Talon
And Bastion is going to join OW in 2
thorny roost
He almost wipe the city tho
iron plume
That was a flashback to other Bastion units
"The" Bastion never woke up from his pod during the war
regal karma
Bastion broke his programming, he doesnt serve the omnic war machine anymore
iron plume
Not really, but either way he did have that bird so good about that
thorny roost
That bird is the only thing stopping him tbh
opaque tundra
he's hanging out with torb so i dont think he'll be dangerous anymore
iron plume
and now he has been taken in by Torbjorn
regal karma
Well every character is dangerous
thorny roost
he's hanging out with torb so i dont think he'll be dangerous anymore
Since when? Seriously
regal karma
and now he has been taken in by Torbjorn
Oh wait he is? Never knew that, that's actually cool
iron plume
!!lorecomics
twilit nacelleBOT
Comics Series 1:
Train Hopper: https://bit.ly/2vaOY0I
Dragon Slayer: https://bit.ly/2GpRZRk
Going Legit: https://bit.ly/2InZUkm
A Better World: https://bit.ly/2DeJGpK
Mission Statement: https://bit.ly/2UFLC5o
Destroyer: https://bit.ly/2XcYZ9G
Legacy: https://bit.ly/2DgM1jQ
Old Soldiers: https://bit.ly/2KLILTV
Junkenstein: https://bit.ly/2Is3WZ4
Reflections: https://bit.ly/2IoZQkr
Binary: https://bit.ly/2IzNvJy
Uprising: https://bit.ly/2UCymhE
Masquerade: https://bit.ly/2IzNTI0
Wasted Land: https://bit.ly/2DeKB9G
Searching: https://bit.ly/2Gh3jy6
Retribution: https://bit.ly/2XePmHG
Tracer - London Calling:
#1: https://bit.ly/3mknXBx
#2: https://bit.ly/318GEix
#3: https://bit.ly/3lorayj
#4: https://bit.ly/2MTe3JM
#5: https://bit.ly/3bD4dVi
Mini-Comics:
Return of Junkenstein: https://bit.ly/2Gqp7Z8
Yeti Hunt: https://bit.ly/2VPmxRI
iron plume
Binary
opaque tundra
blizzconline presentation
thorny roost
blizzconline presentation
Ty
iron plume
The Blizzconline presentation shows the "future", the start is in the comic
thorny roost
Well every character is dangerous
I mean that he seems safe to most, when he probably shouldn't
mellow robin
That’s all the lore for the game?
peak escarp
that's all the comics
there's also short stories, animated shorts, articles and two novels
mellow robin
Which should I start on first?
iron plume
!!loreguide
twilit nacelleBOT
This is a guide for people who don't know where to begin with the lore of Overwatch. The first thing is probably to go watch the shorts. They're popular, easy to consume, and pack a lot of story and character.
Shorts Playlist: https://bit.ly/2UQyTeL
There are many comics, short stories, and blog posts as well. The most important ones are:
Binary: https://bit.ly/2IzNvJy
Masquerade: https://bit.ly/2IzNTI0
What You Left Behind: https://bit.ly/2Fh7MRz
There is also an important chain of events following Ana and Soldier 76 (and Mercy at the end):
Legacy: https://bit.ly/2DgM1jQ
Old Soldiers: https://bit.ly/2KLILTV
Bastet: https://bit.ly/2QuXHmM
Valkyrie: https://bit.ly/2CF5JVE
The rest of the stories are mostly optional. Special mention goes out to the Junkers, who have an entertaining string of stories:
Wasted Land: https://bit.ly/2DeKB9G
A Moment in Crime: http://bit.ly/2fMsVYB
Going Legit: https://bit.ly/2InZUkm
The Plan: http://bit.ly/2uZiitC
iron plume
this
mellow robin
I’ve already seen all the shorts, so I guess comics come next?
jaunty crown
did ana and 76 get the call from winston
peak escarp
they didn't get the call (Winston thinks they're dead)
but they heard about it through other people
he's fixated on his retribution
sullen raptor
Hes focused on reaper last time i remember
I mean i get it..old friend foe thing but he needs to think through
limpid agate
What
sullen raptor
Wasnt that happened during bastet?
limpid agate
Wasn't what happened
topaz ledge
is there any explenation why Sigma hears a specific piece of music?
limpid agate
is there any explenation why Sigma hears a specific piece of music?
He has brain damage. Some speculate it is this he thinks he hears: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musica_universalis
topaz ledge
thank you!
dire zephyr
What really happened between lucio's father and sym's corporation.
peak escarp
Lucio's father was an employee of Vishkar, he made some tech while under contract and it belongs to Vishkar
dire zephyr
Lucio's father was an employee of Vishkar, he made some tech while under contrac...
Why is Lucio mad about it?
peak escarp
because he feels like Vishkar exploited him
peak escarp
he doesn't have a very strong understanding of how intellectual property rights work
dire zephyr
he doesn't have a very strong understanding of how intellectual property rights ...
ok
I mean
I don't either but, being under a contract and making something that your contract says belongs to someone else now means it belongs to them.
dire zephyr
ok
pastel dust
I'd love to see a future Talon mission in OW2 where you can play as Sigma and he eventually realises that he's working for a terrorist organisation and he leaves to join OW to work on the right side, with funding of course.
Who knows if that's gonna happen though, but I'd love to see it
peak escarp
I don't know if he'd join Overwatch
he'd probably just continue his research on his own
they don't really have the money to give him funding
pastel dust
No I guess not
I guess I was just thinking he might join just because Winstons there, but probably not
drowsy violet
where is bastion now and will bastion be introduced to new heroes in the story?
I'm assuming bastion is deep in a forest with his birb friend
so
peak escarp
Bastion has been taken in by Torbjorn in the comic "Binary"
so Bastion is living with him for the moment
we've seen storyboards and cutscenes of Bastion meeting Reinhardt
sullen raptor
we've seen storyboards and cutscenes of Bastion meeting Reinhardt
Is the clip stops there tho?
Is it only shown on blizzcon or?
peak escarp
that clip does, but there's another storyboard that shows Torbjorn arriving to defuse the situation
peak escarp
he hesitates because Bastion isn't shooting
sullen raptor
Oh
If i were rein i already swing my hammer
Even if its stop shooting...it IS a bastion
peak escarp
maybe Torbjorn is yelling, we don't know
there's no audio, it's devs talking over the clip
sullen raptor
I see
limpid agate
golden pewter
Getting a train today, perfect time to read it 
limpid agate
Finished the novel. Good book. Better than the last one.
barren fjord
crys in broke
chilly perch
oh lordy yes
tribal plume
I got the paperback like an idiot and now I have to wait. 🤦♀️
I’ve heard good things about it so far, though.
iron plume
I'm like 2/3 of the way through, looking good so far
marsh ferry
is it a comic or an actual book
tribal plume
It's a novel
marsh ferry
novels can be books or comic books
tribal plume
Its a book
jaunty crown
did the reward prize for turning in junk and hog rise
it was like 25 mill at launch
opaque tundra
If it's better than Hero of Numbani than I might consider getting it. I kinda do need a plane book anyway
restive flower
Finished the novel. Good book. Better than the last one.
You read 300 pages in 4 hours?!
drowsy violet
we've seen storyboards and cutscenes of Bastion meeting Reinhardt
WHERE? WHERE IS IT?
YOUTUBE?
I NEED TO FIND IT
AGAAAAAA
restive flower
OW2 blizzconline
tribal plume
No, sadly.
iron plume
we'll see the full interaction in 2
obtuse star
there's no expected date
jaunty crown
When will the release date for OW2 happen?
probably in the first quarter of 2022
but not anywhere between now and the end of the year
tribal plume
It could take till 2023, devs said. They seriously don't know.
jaunty crown
i don’t think it will go that far, the furthest i think will be at the start of the 2nd half of 2022
judging at the rate their working at
tribal plume
You seem very optimistic. I dunno, I just expect it to take a while, making a game is so damn hard.
Especially because they said they haven't even got concepts for all the hero redesigns yet. Concepts.
There's so much they have admitted to not having done yet.
Not that taking a while is "bad", I think however long it takes is fine as long as its a good game.
jaunty crown
yeah ig
tribal plume
I don't know if they've confirmed it but if we look at other successful games like Overwatch atm the business model is "free to play w/battle pass" so.
It's generally assumed that its free.
cosmic crest
Yes, you'll have to buy it. It's a sequel.
drowsy violet
I don't know if they've confirmed it *but* if we look at other successful games ...
mannnn battle passes, it's too common in soooo many games
its offered to smaller kids to play the game, thought OW2 can get a lot of money
though*
but look at Fortnite, they sold the whole game to kids, (If you know what I mean), and it just got too childish for certain people to play
tribal plume
Just don't buy them if you don't want them. No harm, no foul. The people who want to play for free can and the ones who don't want to can pay for extra stuff. 
drowsy violet
tribal plume
Also the battle* pass has nothing to do with Fortnite being perceived as a "childish game", but this is unrelated to lore, so we're going to have to stop.
dire zephyr
What is powering orisa or tracer or winstons gun? They seem to just expose it to air and then they are refuled?
iron plume
Tracer "recalls" her gun to full
Orisa's gun is called a fusion driver, so it's possible that either it cools off the internal power source, or it can actually be powered by any matter
cosmic crest
Orisa's gun seems to be sucking air in when it reloads so I'd guess the latter to be true.
If it was venting heat it would probably look as if it was blowing air out.
iron plume
It might be a fan-through situation
exotic lion
What about monke's?
limpid agate
You read 300 pages in 4 hours?!
200
restive flower
200
It seems the kindle version has 100 less pages compared to the physical. Weird.
limpid agate
The sneak peak at the end is also not a spoiler. Just the first chapter of Hero of Numbani.
restive flower
The sneak peak at the end is also not a spoiler. Just the first chapter of Hero ...
Could you give a rundown of what happens and what was learned
limpid agate
Sure. There are actually some major novel spoilers if I talk about anything like ||who the 4 founding members are|| for example.
As for cameos or appearances of existing characters, ||we meet Zeke, but not his brothers. Everyone else is new||
||Other than McCree/Ashe obviously||
reef patio
So what are some major stuff revealed?
limpid agate
The biggest is the other two founding members of the gang. One of which is ||Frankie, a dark skinned purple haired hacker. It's not Sombra, Sombra is 9 and I think Frankie is older than Ashe?||
||She's also not an orphan, but she is an altruist, using her take of the earnings to help people suffering from the crisis||
Speaking of crisis, ||Bob is implied to have fought in it. He disappeared during it and returned with new found sentience. McCree is also implied to be an orphan, but he doesn't talk about it. ||
reef patio
oh damn
reef patio
alright
limpid agate
So nothing major for the present day
reef patio
Did it had anything about Mccree and Ashe's relationship?
tribal plume
You had to buy the other novel, too, right?
opaque tundra
yeah bc they're freaking novels
opaque tundra
i bought hero of numbani
unreal tartan
Probably pirated if you read it for free, someone must have uploaded a pdf somewhere
reef patio
I guess so
peak escarp
Did it had anything about Mccree and Ashe's relationship?
their relationship was very well written, with just the slightest hint of romantic tension, but it never goes anywhere
restive flower
Speaking of crisis, ||Bob is implied to have fought in it. He disappeared durin...
oh so ||not much info about mccree's childhood then|| i assume
reef patio
I mean as long as mccree and hanzo ship isn't canon, I'm fine
restive flower
who's the villain
weary heron
i def don't have the funds to get the book, but if anyone wants to dm me notes after about what got brought up (esp mccree related lore),,, i would appreciate that LOL
peak escarp
who's the villain
||a rival gang leader||
peak escarp
i def don't have the funds to get the book, but if anyone wants to dm me notes a...
||there's not much, just that something bad happened during the crisis that he doesn't want to talk about. It's mostly character development.||
peak escarp
that's lame e_e
what were you expecting? they're a couple of teenagers who started a gang
restive flower
they're gangs with guns
weary heron
||there's not much, just that something bad happened during the crisis that he d...
i appreciate you doctor, thanks much ✊
reef patio
Oh and a question that is not related to this
peak escarp
they're gangs with guns
well they do|| rob a couple of warehouses and convoys belonging to the Arbalest weapons company||
reef patio
Is there a specified year when hovering cars started to be made and became public?
peak escarp
Is there a specified year when hovering cars started to be made and became publi...
we don't know, but they're commonplace by then (22 years before Recall, ~38 years from our present day)
reef patio
thanks!
limpid agate
Before someone asks about whether or not any characters in it have a chance to become heroes:
||No. None of them do. Just Ashe and McCree.||
peak escarp
they're gangs with guns
most gangs have guns, that's nothing special
restive flower
there are guns in the story so i asked if there is also death
unless everyone in the whole book missed
or nobody fired their persumably non-plastic guns
peak escarp
they get shot, just not fatally
peak escarp
idk, google is fast
one very important thing we found out about Ashe is that ||her birthday is probably in September||
cursive arrow
one very important thing we found out about Ashe is that ||her birthday is proba...
why is that important?
peak escarp
because birthdays are important
cursive arrow
because birthdays are important
understandable
limpid agate
@restive flower ||Most of the convoys they raid are guarded by drones, not omnics or humans. They are presumably cheaper and deadlier. McCree/Ashe destroy them pretty easily though.||
With respect to your "killing" question.
Its more that ||there is no one to kill.||
I would argue (major spoilers) ||only two characters could have been killed off instead, but Ashe owed a favour so they were apprehended instead.||
sharp pebble
How do I get the book
iron plume
It's sold in a bunch of places
Amazon has an ebook version, and there's an audiobook read by Jen Hale
Physical is also a thing but obviously you'll have to wait for delivery on that
peak escarp
I highly recommend the audiobook, Jen Hale is a pleasure to listen to (and she does a decent McCree impression)
sullen raptor
plus dang that was quick
The tubby part mainly cuz only the armor..especially in stomach
Also arent peanut butter full of calories?
midnight sky
limpid agate
@midnight sky What?
peak escarp
the only Sigma theory I know of is that he somehow hears the Musica Universalis
worthy rose
What’s that
misty saddle
yo no troll i promise but im relatively new to ow and i saw the new server logo for the month, was wondering if there are any canonically lgbt ow heroes
peak escarp
Soldier and Tracer are both gay
misty saddle
oh ok thx
peak escarp
Tracer has a girlfriend
versed notch
soldier has a hateboner for reaper, cant prove otherwise
peak escarp
!!shitposting @versed notch
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@versed notch Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
versed notch
are you saying its wrong though? hes been acknowledged of being gay, no other partner has been mentioned. and he has a hyper fixation on talon and reaper in specific, not a shitpost
limpid agate
@versed notch It is a shitpost. This is your final warning.
versed notch
hard disagree, but k
feral musk
Is Deadlock Rebels worth buying/reading?
versed notch
all of the additional lore is great, the only think i dont quite vibe with are the kings row comics
limpid agate
Yeah London Calling was really bad.
It is very hard to find someone who disagrees with you there.
Deadlock Rebels is a good read though.
tribal plume
London Calling was over-hyped over the like...Six months it was coming out. I liked the art but thats about it. The story was...Average. There wasn't anything good about it?
peak escarp
it was mediocre
limpid agate
I wouldn't say it was overhyped over 6 months.
People were excited at first because it was a new comic
Then thought, okay that first one was okay but it'll get better.
Then thought, okay that second one was a little boring but it was mostly Alive, its all new stuff now.
And then the last 3 were just garbage and no one cared anymore
tribal plume
Personally, I thought it was going to be really good because the idea was interesting but it turned out to be...Not that, I guess, lmao.
But, I got the Deadlock Rebels book a few hours ago and read it, it's good. I liked || how it told us more about the omnics during the crisis.|| 100% worth the read.
limpid agate
It peaked in issue one, and that peak was as a mediocre intro.
peak escarp
I had hopes for London Calling because I thought it would connect to the Null Sector plot/we might meet Null Hector in the story
but nope
feral musk
How many pages is Deadlock Rebels?
tribal plume
Didn't Kace end up having no noted affiliation to Talon or anything? That's what disappointed me.
limpid agate
200 @feral musk
feral musk
Ah
limpid agate
@tribal plume They offhand wrote he had ties to Null Sector after the end of the story, in a poor epilogue narrated by Tracer or Winston or something.
It was just a really really bad comic.
tribal plume
<@!411218587160936448> They offhand wrote he had ties to Null Sector *after* the...
I didn't even remember that. Thank you! It was a really bad comic, though.
jaunty crown
did the reward prize for turning in junk and hog rise
i need an answer lads
golden pewter
I started reading the tracer comic and couldn't finish it. I remember it being really bad as well
||when lady died I didn't care at all. I felt like there was no development. They were just there.||
Maybe I'm missing something as I didn't read the entire thing
limpid agate
i need an answer lads
We haven't seen Roadhog and Junkrat in the present. "Launch" was basically their most recent piece of lore, chronologically.
Most of what we saw has been before the episode of A Moment in Crime.
iron plume
Don't engage the trolls
tribal plume
Sorry, my bad.
tribal plume
Yup.
shy jackal
I started reading the tracer comic and couldn't finish it. I remember it being r...
it wasnt nessesarily bad in my opinion it just got boring and confusing after the 3rd volume a lot happened
tribal plume
it wasnt nessesarily bad in my opinion it just got boring and confusing after th...
Yeah I don’t think they established the “time” well enough. That’s probably why it was confusing.
shy jackal
true
tribal plume
I don’t think they made it as great as it could’ve been. On paper the idea was super cool but execution was horrible.
I think its readable, though.
I really liked the new characters introduced, too. The art was amazing. Just lacked in storytelling.
sharp pebble
How much is the new mccree book
tribal plume
How much is the new mccree book
About 10 USD
sharp pebble
Ok
tribal plume
You can go to the pins and it links to where you can buy it, you’ll see information there.
worthy rose
What happens ||to Lucio at the end of the|| Blizzcon 2019 OW2 Story gameplay?
spoilered it, just in case
worthy rose
Nothin we know?
peak escarp
and it was just a placeholder scene anyway, and won't be part of the final game
worthy rose
I remember something when they spoke about hero-specific story missions, we were shown Widowmaker(?) using her grapple and it knocks back the player and we see her traverse through pillars in what looks like the Ilios Ruins, or another Greek map. Was that Widow? What do we know about that scene?
peak escarp
it was Widow, the map was India
worthy rose
I wonder what that was about? do we fight talon in missions or something?
peak escarp
Sombra is there too
worthy rose
oh?
surely talon, then
do you happen to have a timestamp/clip of those story previews?
finite urchin
deadlock rebels is out?
worthy rose
mhm, pinned message has info
finite urchin
woohoo time to get it on my kindle
peak escarp
peak escarp
it makes sense that we'd fight Talon at some point
Talon and Null Sector are working together
worthy rose
I'm looking to see how Talon react to Baptiste helping(?) Overwatch
or Sigma, was he ever part of Talon or is that just a skin like Torb's Deadlock skin with no connection
peak escarp
Sigma is part of Talon
they keep him in a lab and use his research for their own purposes
worthy rose
I didnt think he was still part of Talon, not voluntarily at least.
peak escarp
When Talon discovered De Kuiper's existence, they infiltrated the facility and broke him out, planning to use his brilliance and research to further their plans. In their custody, De Kuiper slowly gained control of his powers. Now, gravity moved according to his will, and he was closer than ever to achieving his life's goal. But the same experiment that had opened his mind had also fractured it, and he struggled to keep the pieces together.
worthy rose
62!
tribal plume
Yeah he’s the oldest character I believe.
peak escarp
he's the oldest hero
worthy rose
Rein a close second?
peak escarp
beating Reinhardt (61) and Ana (60)
worthy rose
i see
is sigma voluntarily part of talon, or are they forcing/blackmailing? He recently got some interactions between himself and Winston (or Hammond, i forget) and he seemed peaceful, more than the regular Talon members
though you could say the same about Rein and Sombra's jokey interaction about Rein's phone acting up and that she's not tech support
peak escarp
he's a prisoner of theirs
but he's not being controlled/brainwashed, just lied to and manipulated that way
tropic badge
Im not an astrophysicist but being close to a black hole creates a time dilation which causes you to age slower than other people
and in a spray of sigma there is a black hole in his head
peak escarp
considering he was only near a black hole for a fraction of a second, I don't think that's a concern
worthy rose
I think that spray is more metaphorical
tropic badge
maybe
worthy rose
like the shattered glass to say he's broken or something
Sigma is tagged as "Living Weapon" on fandom wiki, i guess he IS being used by Talon
peak escarp
none of the heroes age abnormally
worthy rose
what about Hammond? would he have the same lifespan as a regular hamster?
peak escarp
the only weirdness is Mei, who is biologically 31 but chronologically 40
well
Winston and Hammond are genetically altered - we don't know what normal aging looks like for them
a normal hamster only lives like 4 years
and a normal gorilla only about 30 years
Hammond is 14 and Winston is 29
worthy rose
when Hammond escaped Lunar Colony, he landed in Australia and found his way to Junkertown, right?
peak escarp
yes
worthy rose
Recent interactions, it seems like Junkrat is a big fan of "The Champion" but doesnt know why hammond is there, as if he believes its just the ball
peak escarp
correct
Junkertown doesn't know Wrecking Ball is piloted by a giant hamster
they know it's a mech though
worthy rose
I thought he hops out of his mech at the end of the brawl in a poster?
peak escarp
he does in highlight intros, but those aren't canon
worthy rose
What do we know about Junkertown and its connection to Hammond? he just landed there one day and became the champ?
peak escarp
I assume he fought his way up
he built his mech in Bruce's Wreckyard, so Bruce might know he's a hamster
worthy rose
I saw that place and remember somebody here showing screenshots of it in-game
peak escarp
worthy rose
thats the one
fiery gate
Sigma is tagged as "Living Weapon" on fandom wiki, i guess he IS being used by T...
hes being used 100%, but they allow him to continue his research so hes fine with it they just use whatever his research comes up with
peak escarp
hes being used 100%, but they allow him to continue his research so hes fine wit...
unlike Moira, who is involved in how Talon uses her research
worthy rose
was moira part of overwatch at one point and was kicked due disagreements with her research?
peak escarp
she was part of Blackwatch
brought in to help Reyes with a genetic problem
before that she was just a scientist that Overwatch shut down
the three oldest heroes are Sigma, Reinhardt and Ana
the three youngest heroes are Orisa, Hammond and probably Echo
worthy rose
What connects the Junkers to Overwatch?
worthy rose
very well put together, good job
peak escarp
could be neater, but I tried
peak escarp
correct
worthy rose
I never knew Bap and Sombra were friends
peak escarp
Baptiste calls her at the end of WYLB on an encrypted app
worthy rose
a lot of story to look forward to
hey, good talking, i gotta go
apologies if there were too many questions, i enjoy talking about the story
fiery gate
but it was only 2 questions?
worthy rose
i asked a bunch
cosmic crest
I think the other organisation are very interesting and I hope they get more representation. The game might be titled Overwatch but that doesn't mean every hero should be affiliated with the group.
cosmic crest
She isn't
peak escarp
she's a member of MEKA
the mobile exo-force of the korean army
they defend South Korea against a recurring threat called the Gwishin
fiery gate
aw even bob is on the map
peak escarp
who are omnics that come from an underwater omnium
sour horizon
not everyone is connected
this, plus it’s the same reason why lucio is in ovw1 but not as a member. i think it’s less about overwatch the organization and more about the freedom fighters, or well, terrorists that came to rise afterward
sharp pebble
PIN IT 📌
peak escarp
sig should probably have a connection with winston
they've met, but "acquaintance" is too weak of a connection to be worth adding (plus it would add a lot of clutter)
fiery gate
i guess
peak escarp
I also couldn't do relationships that are one way/people who feel differently about each other
for example, Junkrat considers Roadhog a friend, but Roadhog only tolerates Junkrat
so I put "it's complicated"
sharp pebble
What about the meka guy that’s “it’s complicated”
near smelt
this is really good, also doesn't lucio know efi and orisa or are they not close enough?
sharp pebble
Oh
peak escarp
this is really good, also doesn't lucio know efi and orisa or are they not close...
they've met, but again that's not a strong enough relationship to list
it will likely change a lot with OW2
near smelt
I see, my bad
sharp pebble
Why is sombra kind of friends with the little girl
tropic badge
Its uncertain
peak escarp
Alejandra gave Zarya Sombra's real name
sharp pebble
Ok
peak escarp
the theory is that Alejandra knew that name because Sombra is a friend
or at least well known in the community
tropic badge
wait torb is gray with overwatch
peak escarp
he's a former member
sharp pebble
Why is Bridget family to Reinhardt and torb, but Torb and Reinhardt are only friends
peak escarp
he retired
tropic badge
rein is brigs godfather
sharp pebble
Oh
tropic badge
yeah after the mission in turkey torb loses his eye and arm but rein saves him so torb allows rein to name his daughter
and rein becomes brigs mentor
sharp pebble
How come mei and Tracer aren’t friends
peak escarp
we haven't seen them being friends
tropic badge
and whats the thing on the bottom right
is that maximillien?
nvm I saw maximillien
sharp pebble
But in the zero hour thing they are fighting together
peak escarp
is that maximillien?
that's the Null Sector omnic from Storm Rising
peak escarp
But in the zero hour thing they are fighting together
that makes them allies, not friends
I'm only counting strong relationships for this chart, otherwise it would get cluttered
iron plume
The only change I'd make for the chart is have a 'friends' between mercy and genji
tropic badge
that's the Null Sector omnic from Storm Rising
in the ow wiki it says this guy is with talon too
iron plume
because while there might be romance there definitely is friendship
peak escarp
I tried having both a solid green line and a dotted pink line, but that wasn't clear
iron plume
fair
sharp pebble
I think that a pink line also symbolizes friends and romance
Because you have to be friends to have a strong relationship
tropic badge
oh no my man dae yhun got friendzoned
sharp pebble
?
peak escarp
the "friendzone" doesn't exist
tropic badge
just a joke
iron plume
we don't know if they ever interacted in canon
sharp pebble
Lol
iron plume
again
sharp pebble
even thought she asked him what time it is
It’s highhhhhhh noon
fiery gate
:(
fiery gate
its joke lol
sour horizon
having some positive interactions before a match is different from being actual friends in canon
iron plume
!!shitposting
twilit nacelleBOT
Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
lyric sluice
whoaaaa cool map
what do the dotted lines mean?
especially the green one
and why is it "complicated" between sombra and reaper i thought there allies?
limpid agate
Reaper thinks she is useful, but doesn't like her.
The only person who actually likes Sombra is Baptiste.
Everyone else dislikes her at best.
lyric sluice
sombra is kind of a double agent remember
ohh
lyric sluice
The only person who actually likes Sombra is Baptiste.
wait what abt the dotted line to the person from hero
with soldier
worthy rose
i think dots mean "unlikely" or "uncertain"
limpid agate
@worthy rose Not what it means
Wait my bad, I misread the above comment
I thought they meant a dotted line to Soldier
Yeah that's what that means,.
Possible, implied, uncertain
worthy rose
all good
restive flower
what does the book deliver on bob lore
limpid agate
Not spoilering it because its from the chapter 1 free preview that's been out for a week or so
Bob was not sentient prior to the Omnic Crisis.
During the crisis, Bob disappeared, implying that he joined the war.
Afterwards, he willingly came back home with newfound sentience, but is still incapable of speech.
Interestingly enough, there is not one known pre-crisis omnic capable of speech. All those who can talk with known ages were built after the crisis.
Zen is 20 years old, Orisa is less than a year old.
peak escarp
it's never said he's incapable of speech, only that he doesn't speak
limpid agate
Considering even in game he doesn't make pained noises when damaged or anything.
I don't think he can speak.
limpid agate
There are a few points to that
His mentor, the second Doomfist, used the gauntlet.
Doomfist killed him, then had the gauntlet upgraded (and also converted from left hand to right hand)
He was the heir to a prosthetics company. Its likely he inherited it.
grand thicket
That’s dark lol
random narwhal
Hey, I can't find the new short story about the outlaws, does anyone know how to find it?
iron plume
It's not a short story, it's a book
iron plume
You have to buy it – it's linked in pins
worthy rose
I have a question about Omnics? Is there a way to make them bio-organic, like a way to make a growing populating species?
iron plume
A cyborg/synthetic organism wouldn't be an Omnic
worthy rose
Not exactly a cyborg, think of Brainiac from DC Comic
iron plume
This is somewhat muddy, but by definition Omnics are robots made in the Omnium factories or descendant from designs made in those factories
So a partly biological creature wouldn't be an omnic
As for robots with biological parts in general, we haven't seen any
We do have cyborgs, but for all of them their minds are human, not AI
worthy rose
But what if they made omnic to be a incubator for children, basically a robot for a mother?
Because say that the Omnic Crisis did so much damage, that the population of women decreased and they needed something to help give humanity their future
iron plume
We have no evidence of that
And a mechanical incubator wouldn't give birth to a robotic child
worthy rose
And a mechanical incubator wouldn't give birth to a robotic child
I meant give birth to a human child
iron plume
Then neither the machine nor the child would be Omnics
jaunty crown
As for robots with biological parts in general, we haven't seen any
we saw an omnic w facial hair in the zero hour cinematic
if that counts
limpid agate
And if you want to talk about fake facial hair, we have a named character that has that.
Two actually
Max and BOB
fair trellis
Who's max
tropic badge
And if you want to talk about fake facial hair, we have a named character that h...
we have the girl from lunas cabaret too
she has hair
limpid agate
I was talking about facial hair specifically.
peak escarp
her name is Luna
limpid agate
There are quite a few with hair.
tropic badge
oh
I see
they keep adding beards to the original overwatch heros
like soldier and rein
they might add beard to bastion too
peak escarp
we literally just talked about how several omnics have "facial hair"
Bastion has a little problem of not having a proper face
fresh yarrow
does torb have dwarfism or is he just really short
autumn fulcrum
yes
deft hedge
ay bastion has torb's ironclad hat
idle hearth
Is there any info on who built/forged Reinhardts new armour?
iron plume
Nothing for certain, but we can probably assume Brig at least took part
idle hearth
ok, thx
fiery gate
But what if they made omnic to be a incubator for children, basically a robot fo...
that would be mega weird lmfao
also
wouldnt a factory that made robots with robots be just like that
thats how robots are made
clear nest
The white haired dude in Meka is Casino, right? Or is Casino the dude to the left of King
clear nest
i c i c
broken rover
i really would love another meka in game tbh
peak escarp
I don't care so much about them being in the game, but I want to learn more about Casino
he seems interesting, and might have a connection to the Monaco map
cursive arrow
ok this isn't lore but anybody know how to take a screenshot?
peak escarp
does your keyboard have a "print screen" button?
peak escarp
spark parcel
It might also say “PRTSC”
peak escarp
pressing that button will take the screenshot and save it to your clipboard, then you'll have to either paste it into an art program and save it or use it like anything else in your computer's clipboard
I believe if you press the print screen button while in some games (including Overwatch), it will save a screenshot to your screenshot folder
cursive arrow
so how do I access the clipboard
peak escarp
idk that's as much as I know
cursive arrow
I remember seeing an image with all of the heroes but it made as a concept and I want to find it again
and I had some heroes that were kind of scrapped
it had echo without an actual face
fiery gate
I remember seeing an image with all of the heroes but it made as a concept and I...
press the prtsc button right
then copy paste it somewhere on discord
and then right click to save the image if you want
peak escarp
I remember seeing an image with all of the heroes but it made as a concept and I...
this one?
fiery gate
i see the green guy on the right, kind of looks liek doom
also is that girl in the back with the green/purple robot arms the junker queen?
clear nest
🤷
violet fractal
Is meteor possibly the generic sports team/company in the overwatch dimension? A lot of the sports skins seem to have their logo and name on them.
worthy rose
I wanna see Casino playable out of the four other pilots 🎰💚🏎
peak escarp
Meteor seems to be the Nike equivalent
stoic island
peak escarp
I made that before Echo was added
covert echo
Were those designs characters from titan, or completely new concept art?
peak escarp
they were early concepts for Overwatch, I believe part of the pitch for the game
it was called Prometheus during the pitch
there was also this image, with a lot more hero concepts that we haven't seen used yet
and a few we recognize
like Angelica, Reaper, Ironclad, Iris, Mercy, Symmetra, Hanzo, Winston
and you can just see Roadhog and Tracer off the edges
also, before they settled on Overwatch being a team-based shooter, they played with the idea of it being an MMO with classes
peak escarp
Soldier 24 is Gabriel Reyes
that was his number from the Soldier Enhancement Program that he and Soldier 76 were part of
civic smelt
They’re both human, all the other skins aren’t yea?
civic smelt
The default skin is just a mist covered with a mask?
civic smelt
The other skins like plague doctor have no connection to lore right?
peak escarp
no
civic smelt
Also what’s up with sombra holding a reaper puppet in the anniversary video
civic smelt
Is she?
civic smelt
so soldier 24 is before the bastions even showed up right?
peak escarp
yes
peak escarp
yes
civic smelt
and Moira had something to do with him becoming what his default skin is
civic smelt
funny then how 24 can wraith lol
peak escarp
that's just for gameplay - it wouldn't be fair to take away his abilities for one skin
peak escarp
he was McCree's mentor in Blackwatch
civic smelt
ah
That explains some of the monologues I’ve heard pre game
oh this is an odd question
But what’s with bastion and birds
peak escarp
Bastion was woken up by a bird, and now the bird follows it around
peak escarp
during the Omnic Crisis, Bastion's pod was dropped in the Black Forest in Germany, and it never activated
civic smelt
oh i have that skin!
peak escarp
about a decade after the war ended, the bird woke Bastion up
civic smelt
The one bastion?
peak escarp
which you can see in the short "The Last Bastion"
civic smelt
There were a lot weren’t there
civic smelt
idk if I’m bugging you but I got a lot of questions
I was gonna ask
Why’s genji in a metal robot suit
When his brother looks normal
peak escarp
Genji is a cyborg
because his brother almost killed him
I'm happy to answer questions
civic smelt
You mean Hanzo attacked him?
peak escarp
yes
civic smelt
anyone know why?
peak escarp
when their father died, the clan's elders wanted both sons to take a role in leading the crime family, so they told Hanzo to get Genji to straighten up (he was a playboy/slacker with no interest in running a crime family)
when Genji refused, Hanzo attacked him
civic smelt
that’s so cool
Where’s this lore all come from?
Like a movie or tv show or something?
peak escarp
!!loreguide
twilit nacelleBOT
This is a guide for people who don't know where to begin with the lore of Overwatch. The first thing is probably to go watch the shorts. They're popular, easy to consume, and pack a lot of story and character.
Shorts Playlist: https://bit.ly/2UQyTeL
There are many comics, short stories, and blog posts as well. The most important ones are:
Binary: https://bit.ly/2IzNvJy
Masquerade: https://bit.ly/2IzNTI0
What You Left Behind: https://bit.ly/2Fh7MRz
There is also an important chain of events following Ana and Soldier 76 (and Mercy at the end):
Legacy: https://bit.ly/2DgM1jQ
Old Soldiers: https://bit.ly/2KLILTV
Bastet: https://bit.ly/2QuXHmM
Valkyrie: https://bit.ly/2CF5JVE
The rest of the stories are mostly optional. Special mention goes out to the Junkers, who have an entertaining string of stories:
Wasted Land: https://bit.ly/2DeKB9G
A Moment in Crime: http://bit.ly/2fMsVYB
Going Legit: https://bit.ly/2InZUkm
The Plan: http://bit.ly/2uZiitC
peak escarp
you can also look in the pins on this channel for lists of all the animated shorts, comics and short stories
civic smelt
I saw some of the shorts in my recommendations on YT
peak escarp
you should also read the hero bios on https://playoverwatch.com/en-us/heroes/
each one has a story tab that explains their backstory
but if you have any more questions, the people here are generally helpful
peak escarp
the bios are somewhat written in-universe
the public doesn't know he's Gabriel Reyes
the public thinks Reyes died in an explosion 6 years ago
civic smelt
Have you seen all the shorts?
civic smelt
You know the one where 76 saves a Hispanic girl
peak escarp
yes
civic smelt
Why were the thugs beating up a zenyatta
peak escarp
they were racist gang members who hate omnics
severe lance
Doesn't reaper hate omnics too
peak escarp
it's not really clear - in the game he calls them "tin cans", but he works with Maximilien on the Talon council
peak escarp
no, Rein just wears armor
civic smelt
I know they’re like robots and stuff but where did they come from
peak escarp
they were made in automated factories called Omniums
civic smelt
On earth?
peak escarp
about 30 years before the present day of the story (30 years in our future)
severe lance
To be honest i still don't get why he went evil
civic smelt
the robots ?
severe lance
No reaper
peak escarp
yeah it's not really explained
civic smelt
cuz 76 was being annoying or something
severe lance
Did they kicked him out?
civic smelt
no 76 stole the glory
peak escarp
but Reyes and Jack (76) used to be best friends
civic smelt
that he thought he deserved
peak escarp
until Retribution happened then they started to distrust each other
Jack got tired of covering for him and Reyes started keeping secrets
severe lance
Because Reyes killed that one guy right?
peak escarp
and then Ana went MIA and their friendship fell apart
civic smelt
why’s Ana so old
peak escarp
because she is?
why is anyone old
she's not even the oldest hero
Sigma and Reinhardt are older
peak escarp
Who is the youngest? D.Va?
Orisa is 1 month
Hammond is 14 years
Echo's age is unknown but she was built some time after the crisis but before the fall of Overwatch, so between 25 and 6 years old
D.Va is the youngest human, at 19
civic smelt
That’s not her real name is it
peak escarp
whos
civic smelt
dva
peak escarp
her real name is Hana Song
peak escarp
she
severe lance
What a legend
civic smelt
Ana is a mom right
There’s a spray in game with her, a middle aged guy, and a baby
civic smelt
say what
peak escarp
restive flower
I refuse to believe Moira is 48
peak escarp
here's Phara as a kid, visiting Overwatch
peak escarp
I refuse to believe Moira is 48
why?
restive flower
Look at her
civic smelt
who’s the person between torb and Cree
severe lance
Mercy @civic smelt
civic smelt
Mercy <@625574248617869333>
Lol I thought it was tracer
worthy rose
hey, is sigma’s connection with talon explained at all? @peak escarp
peak escarp
Look at her
how old do you think she is?
civic smelt
Is that the voice actor
peak escarp
hey, is sigma’s connection with talon explained at all? <@207741110838231042>
he was "rescued" from quarantine by Talon and now works for them in a lab
worthy rose
ah ok
peak escarp
Is that the voice actor
that's Tilda Swinton
restive flower
you can see the age in her face
not moira
severe lance
Don't tell me that's her voiceactress
peak escarp
Don't tell me that's her voiceactress
no
civic smelt
Then what’s that persons connection to Moira
peak escarp
there isn't one, I was just trying to make a point about women not looking their age
I think Moira looks like a 48 year old rendered in Blizzard's soft, heroic style
civic smelt
Is there anything lore related to death blossom like there is with wraith form
severe lance
Because it looks more badass
peak escarp
Is there anything lore related to death blossom like there is with wraith form
he uses Death Blossom in the shorts
severe lance
I like reaper but the explanation of why he got evil is really weak
peak escarp
I like reaper but the explanation of why he got evil is really weak
they'll probably explain it better eventually
civic smelt
That’s looks like that one skin in game
With the blue hair
@peak escarp why’s dooms glove on display?
peak escarp
because he was a defeated villain
civic smelt
Thanos vibes from his glove ngL
severe lance
@peak escarp I kind of feel like Cree and Ashe where in a relationship
civic smelt
severe lance
I mean
peak escarp
there was some tension between them, but no, they were never in a relationship
severe lance
But the signs
peak escarp
not everyone with chemistry end up together
peak escarp
Ashe: Too competent?
McCree: Too rich.```
iron plume
Signs point to a one sided sympathy
And we have writer confirmation that there was no relationship
peak escarp
the novel has a bit of flirting, but Ashe shoots him down
severe lance
Ashe simps for Cree
civic smelt
the lore vs in game is hilarious
Lore: Winston defeats reaper
In game: Winston dives into an area covered with reaper, that’s a dead monkey
severe lance
Damn
peak escarp
the only heroes who seem to be in a romantic relationship with eachother (or is at least hinted at) are Genji and Mercy
severe lance
Oh yeah I heard about that @peak escarp
limpid agate
What christmas cookie video?
severe lance
I like how they flirt during that one mission
limpid agate
You talking about that stop motion one
Because that's not canon for obvious reason.
civic smelt
What christmas cookie video?
The one where reaper tries to steal Santa’s cookies
civic smelt
and then doom pops out of a box
severe lance
But it's funny xD @limpid agate
Moira was also part of Blackwatch.... How is it that only she and Reyes joined Talon
But Genji and Cree don't
Because of her experiments?
peak escarp
probably
severe lance
I see
peak escarp
Talon finds that sort of research very useful
limpid agate
Genji ended up becoming closer to Overwatch before he quit.
McCree refused to pick a side and just quit overall.
peak escarp
McCree and Genji also don't have the right motivations for Talon
limpid agate
Neither would have any reason to join Talon
severe lance
Make sense
peak escarp
Genji wanted to find peace with himself
McCree wanted to atone for his life of being a criminal and a hired gun
severe lance
That's why Genji traveled through the world right? I mean before joining Overwatch completely
peak escarp
he travelled the world after leaving Overwatch
severe lance
After leaving? I see
And i call myself a genji main, pathetic
I wish Blizzard could make a movie or something like that the lore is so interesting
And the cinematics are so damn good
peak escarp
maybe they will eventually, but there's too much to fit into one movie
more novels, comics and short stories would be better
severe lance
I really hope they do