#lore-discussion

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worthy rose
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only he knew

peak escarp
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mafia?

worthy rose
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that bald guy at beginning of mission

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reaper killed him and mission went south

peak escarp
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Antonio

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Antonio provoked Reyes, that's why Reyes killed him

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Antonio wasn't just some mobster, he was a Talon leader

tardy glacier
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I sometimes get the feeling Doctor_Six-San works for blizzard due to how much you know about the lore. How do you... hmm what’s the word... what did you do that makes you know and remember so much about the lore?

iron plume
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Dedication

sullen raptor
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Answer was a bit long tho..why he turn bad?

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Like hes all buddy buddy with OW gang and then bam

peak escarp
peak escarp
sullen raptor
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Ah ok

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Shame because Ana seemed cherish their friendship

peak escarp
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also it's easy to keep track of the lore and have sources at my fingertips with the database I made

sullen raptor
peak escarp
void gazelle
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Is there a canon explanation for Mercy's res?

dire adder
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Her staff apparently like resets their heart

void gazelle
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ah

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so its like a defibrilator

dire adder
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Looking at more and apparently it's not Canon, only in game

spark parcel
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She would probably have a defibrillator somewhere as part of her equipment though

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Even if it isn’t specifically for that ability

iron plume
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Her resurrection doesn't bring people back from death in canon

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this is canon rez

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Mei's down but not out, Mercy brings her back into the fight

limpid agate
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@hybrid ploverThis is a sfw server

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Also, shitposting will result in a loss of access.

tardy glacier
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I’m confused about this. So Brig, a person who hated and never trusted Overwatch due to “because of how they treated Reinhardt”, why does she just randomly help Overwatch in the umm.. the short advertising OW2 since again she hates and doesn’t trust Overwatch. Is there even an answer to this or is this just a plot hole?

peak escarp
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she goes to support Reinhardt

tardy glacier
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I see, well that clears that up. Thanks Doctor_Six-San

sullen raptor
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Really contrast with how Pharah feel about OW

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Pharah : OW
Ana : Nu

Torb : OW
Brig : Nu

limpid agate
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Can you rephrase that.

sullen raptor
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Its just different how their kids sees OW

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Brig decided to help at the short movie because she support rein..not because where his dad works?

limpid agate
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Yeah. Its also been teased that Bastion will be joining in Torbjorn's palce.

sullen raptor
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Maybe Torb didnt do "bring ur kids to workplace"

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The way she said about OW in glory short is like..bad

limpid agate
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He did.

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Brig and Pharah both grew up around the heroes

sullen raptor
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But pharah not negative about it tho

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Like she wanted join so bad..headscratcher now

peak escarp
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Brig wasn't negative until Reinhardt was forced to retire

sullen raptor
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Owh

broken imp
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I think pharah joins ow tough

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she is with them on the ship at blizzcon

shy jackal
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Theres a good chance she joins but as of right now she is only affiliated with Helix

broken imp
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she joins them tough

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cause as I said she is seen with ow in ow2

shy jackal
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You right you right

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Sorry i forgot about the storyboarding

iron plume
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well, the storyboards are still unofficial
But yes it's just about confirmed

void gazelle
iron plume
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Switzerland

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oh in the gif

void gazelle
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No, like she fell from the fucking sky

iron plume
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she's flew down from the ship

void gazelle
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Ohh

iron plume
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Actually not the ship since she wasn't with Winston

shy jackal
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Assuming the second ship had genji reinhardt brig and mercy?

iron plume
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Brig and Rein came on their bus

shy jackal
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I know that but how did they get there in the first place

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Actaully

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Nvm its animation magic

iron plume
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They drove

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But yes essentially it's handwavium

teal swallow
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Can I ask a random question?

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Was Mercy ever actually confirmed to be Genji’s doctor or is it just speculation?

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Cause as far as I can tell all she did was save his life

nocturne fog
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Its also implied that they had a relationshsip of some sort

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Like on Hanamura they talk about buying eachother chocolate

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So def a closer realationship that just one life save

teal swallow
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True

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It’s also kind of frowned upon because people assume they’re doctor/patient

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Or at least were

iron plume
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It’s not stated anywhere that she continued to be his doctor, no

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They make no mention of it during the Storm Rising mission

finite urchin
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lol i knew you were gonna become at least a regular at some point party magician

iron plume
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I decided to skip past that one

peak escarp
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Party is a mod now?

iron plume
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not reading announcements smh

peak escarp
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well good, it's nice to have one more that checks the lore channel

nocturne fog
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Taiga-via???

limpid agate
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one more

tribal plume
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Congrats, Party!

broken imp
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So in ow2 blizzcon zen is seen standing on his feet, It is canon

peak escarp
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yes

broken imp
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I tought he always just floated

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gonna weird to see it

worthy rose
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wait there wasnt any new animation or origin stories right?

tribal plume
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I thought that was so odd, too. Lmao. He does in that one emote I guess.

worthy rose
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im not quite following

hushed jetty
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zen also has that one emote where he briefly stands

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oh you mentioned that already

tribal plume
hushed jetty
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well.

worthy rose
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oh damn

tribal plume
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Yuuuup.

broken imp
tribal plume
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Kinda sucks we got nothing beside the Tracer comics this year but jay3Shrug

peak escarp
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there's a novel coming out in 3 weeks

tribal plume
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I completely forgot about the Ashe novel

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That’s exciting!

peak escarp
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the preview of the first chapter is out now

tribal plume
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Really? Could I get a link?

limpid agate
peak escarp
tribal plume
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Thank you so much! :)

peak escarp
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the only link I've found was on the Chapters listing

tribal plume
limpid agate
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To put them both in the same message

peak escarp
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thank you

limpid agate
peak escarp
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also the mobile version of the page doesn't have the preview link, only the desktop version

limpid agate
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20 chapters.

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How long was the Orisa novel

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Also at the end there

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Sneak Peek

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Wonder if this is teasing a skin

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Its at the end with the acknowledgements and copyright

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So its gotta be on the last page

peak escarp
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could be a sneak peek of the next novel (or of Hero of Numbani)

limpid agate
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It'll be something

peak escarp
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Hero of Numbani was 19 chapters

limpid agate
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So about as long

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Cool

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So this is 21 years ago

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This is now the earliest mention of Helix and Vishkar.

tribal plume
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I’ll have to read it later, sadly.

violet fractal
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Did genji have any say while he was in Blackwatch? He seems to stay very quiet during the downfall of it, and mainly just seems to be shown as a dude who kills bad guys, and thats it.

tribal plume
peak escarp
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he was pretty much used as a living weapon

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I don't think he had much input into the decisionmaking

violet fractal
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It also seems like his outfit displays his mental state a bit, blackwatch being grim, and his default one being peaceful

peak escarp
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not like McCree, who was basically Reyes' right hand man

tribal plume
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Do we know much about his thought process back in Blackwatch?

peak escarp
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not really

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he has the least dialogue during Retribution

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he was okay with killing though, and didn't see why killing Antonio was a problem

violet fractal
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That's good to know, since he stuck with overwatch but i had no idea of how he felt about killing antonio

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Also, as a younger genji, genji seemed like he had little to know interest in combat training, but at this stage he appears to have much more refined skills. Did he take further training with zenyatta or with overwatch possibly?

tribal plume
peak escarp
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he probably honed his skills while he was with Zen

tribal plume
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Probably.

peak escarp
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but he was a trained ninja in his youth

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He had little interest in the family's illegal businesses, and although he excelled at and enjoyed his ninja training, he spent most of his time pursuing a playboy lifestyle.

violet fractal
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With the "playboy" life style, as a more centered genji, does he still have a sense of humor etc?

peak escarp
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I think so

tribal plume
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He has several voice lines that make me think so, like the halloween costume one.

peak escarp
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yeah

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or his lines about the high scores in the arcade

violet fractal
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Nice to know that a dope cyborg ninja still has a somewhat playful personality in that case then

tribal plume
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We’ll definitely see more of him in Overwatch 2 so.

violet fractal
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Yep, looking forward to his role in the sequel

tribal plume
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The thing I find interesting is his character development is basically done—I wonder how big a role he will play due to that.

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(He still has stuff with Hanzo, though.)

violet fractal
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True, but I'd still really like him to tie up his loose ends with hanzo, and possibly have some interactions with mercy

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Hanzo has a lot of potential ngl, since he seems to be in a neutral spot right now

tribal plume
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Yeah, looking forward to seeing what Hanzo will do. Most likely he isn’t involved with Ow2 at all (I believe devs categorized Hanzo and Hammond as being less important to the plot, which is true) but we’ll see.

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I see people saying he might join Talon but he doesn’t seem to want to in his interactions with Doomfist.

violet fractal
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Yeah, he doesnt seem to be a hardcore antagonist like the members of Talon, but he doesn't seem to be helping ppl no matter what like overwatch, and he also seems to stray away from the freelancer oppurtunist, like junkrat and roadie

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So lots of room for him to make his own fate

tribal plume
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Yeah, I’m excited to see what they do with the characters.

peak escarp
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tbh I'd love to get a novel about Hanzo and what he's up to post-Dragons

tribal plume
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Same, haha.

peak escarp
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I'm excited for the Deadlock novel

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just the first chapter has given some juicy worldbuilding

tribal plume
sullen raptor
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His dialogue with tracer too in storm rising

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Tracer : u were there..werent u?
Genji : i was a bystander~

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Like lul

opaque tundra
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i also read the deadlock preview

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i had no idea the omnics just up and ditched during the crisis

peak escarp
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neither did I

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that's new info

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what we've learned from this first chapter:

  • Ashe's family estate is called Lead Rose Manor
  • Ashe's ancestor Caledonia Ashe founded the Arbalest Arms Company
  • Arbalest’s AA92 rifle was standard issue during the omnic crisis "due to its higher capacity and higher muzzle velocity"
  • Ashe lives in a community called Bellerae (Texas, I assume - there is a city called Bellaire in Texas, probably not the same)
  • Arbalest is in decline due to lower demands post-crisis
  • the Viper rifle was an early Arbalest design, and is over a century old
  • Ashe does not like her first name
  • Ashe's favourite breakfast is "waffles dripping with syrup and a big side of bacon, extra, extra crispy"
  • B.O.B has been with the Ashe family since before the crisis
  • B.O.B left during the crisis, and returned with new sentience
  • all omnics disappeared during the crisis (hivemind/being controlled maybe?)
tribal plume
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The one thing that stood out to me was the mentioning of omnics leaving during the crisis. I find that...Super intriguing?

opaque tundra
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With the new preview information, it makes a little more sense to say that Aurora's transcendence may have ended or impacted the crisis

peak escarp
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possibly

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although that would change the narrative that Overwatch ended the crisis (which is repeated in this story)

lyric sluice
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can that do with anything with that one person zen says gave all omnics sentinence

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like he said something like this one person died so we could have sentinence

peak escarp
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Aurora

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she was the first omnic to gain sentience, and ascended into the Iris to give all omnics sentience

lyric sluice
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ohhh so that applies to all omnics

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so thats why bob has sentinence now

peak escarp
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yes

lyric sluice
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ahh ok and also are the omnics like making more of themselves now

peak escarp
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yes

lyric sluice
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ok thx!

sullen raptor
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Is that also applied to bastion?

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I mean does the sentience transfer to active omnics or deactivated also or..?

peak escarp
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hmm

worthy rose
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zen lore?

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any zen lore?

peak escarp
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that's an interesting question

worthy rose
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no like

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his orbs his iris

peak escarp
worthy rose
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bet bet 1 sec ty

sullen raptor
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I mean i guess i know how torb get curious too

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Like war robot suddenly goes flower seeing

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😅

lyric sluice
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i would assume so since he likes birds now.....?

sullen raptor
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Exactly

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I think before war..omnics already had sentience?

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Or not?

lyric sluice
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hmmmmm idk ik that the omniums mysteriously powered on and began to make bastions and stuff

sullen raptor
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Ah ok

lyric sluice
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i dont think they did because if they were truly sentinent there would be some who woudlnt want to kill ppl

peak escarp
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maybe there were

sullen raptor
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Or maybe the sentience not enough to overpower the war programming?

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I mean bast has a crisis identity for a bit..like attack city or go back to forest a bit

young knoll
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wait, so bob is sentient or sapient?

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if he is sapient then Ashe treats him rather poorly

peak escarp
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he's sapient, but I don't think she treats him badly

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(the writers seem to be using sentient to mean sapient)

young knoll
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that always messes with me

peak escarp
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she feels bad when she snaps at him, and considers him as the one true constant in her life

young knoll
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I see, but considering how she ordered him around in the short

peak escarp
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that was a tense situation, not to mention the middle of combat

young knoll
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she may feel bad about it, but I don't think she likely does treat many people well

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however, perhaps not

peak escarp
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she screamed at the other gang members just as much

young knoll
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true, the impression I get from her is that she isn't a very nice person in general

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though if he was only sentient it would be less bad, but it does seem to mean sapient

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I wonder if he can talk

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I suppose not

peak escarp
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it's hard to say

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his silence could be a choice

young knoll
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he might not have the ability to do so depending on how he was designed I guess

peak escarp
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the novel might clarify this

young knoll
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I would hope so

sullen raptor
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I always think "Bob Do something" were meant like "Ill give u chance to take charge for a bit..get in there"

peak escarp
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I think she was just flustered

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she's got history with McCree, enough to make her lose her cool

young knoll
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I do like to be generous towards people's actions but I have always interpreted Ashe in general as being a jerk that was ruined by her upbringing

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or at least that is what I figured Blizzard was going for

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though this book ought to put that idea to rest

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or not

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should be exciting

peak escarp
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to me she seems like someone who just wanted her parents' love and attention but she was always secondary to their job

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so she lashed out

young knoll
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that was along my line of thought

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hurt people hurt people and all that

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though perhaps I was assuming a greater extreme

peak escarp
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I'm excited to see how she meets McCree

young knoll
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the way it was being framed I had thought they were going to start with her having already known him

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with the way the book began I can see them meeting where the chapter ends

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considering how McCree is described at the time

peak escarp
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described?

young knoll
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Errr

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Wasn’t it local ruffian or something like that

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Trouble maker?

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Basically my guess is they meet in jail

peak escarp
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When Ashe is arrested yet again on the morning of her high school graduation, her aloof, old-money parents decide to disinherit her from the family fortune. To steal back what's rightfully hers, Ashe teams up with her omnic butler, B.O.B., and local ruffian Jesse McCree for a series of heists, catapulting the trio into a game of fast money and dangerous alliances. Along the way, Ashe discovers that family isn't just about blood. It's about the people who've got your back when your back's against the wall.

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meeting in jail would make sense

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(although would the police put a 15/16-year-old in jail?)

young knoll
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Well I think they met when Ashe was like 17?

peak escarp
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(I figure they would just call his parents)

young knoll
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Which was why I thought they had met prior

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Cuz I thought Ashe would be 18ish when graduating

peak escarp
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the story starts the morning of Ashe's highschool graduation, which makes her 17/18

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McCree is 2 years younger than her

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they're currently 39 and 37 respectively

young knoll
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Yeah, I remembered the age difference

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For some reason I remembered them meeting when she was 17 and him 15 so I was sort of assuming she was 18 when graduating and that they had met

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Anyway, considering he is a local ruffian, maybe his parents aren’t/around don’t care

peak escarp
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McCree was 17 when he joined Blackwatch

young knoll
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I dunno, jail just seems to me like the place where they would meet

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It is sort of a decent set up, she goes to jail, meets local ruffian, they hit it off

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But considering his age it is a bit of a stretch I guess

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Though ow isn’t always all that reasonable

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seems like a good story too, being able to tell the gang members you guys met in prison and plotted a bunch of heists

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it is cooler than, like, meeting at the local Wal Mart

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not that Ashe would go there, being rich and all

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anyway, this book has me more excited than Hero of Numbani at least

peak escarp
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she's 17

young knoll
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so I did remember

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I guess she just graduated a bit early, idk

peak escarp
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I graduated at 17, but I have a late birthday

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so Ashe must have a late birthday too

young knoll
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seems reasonable

worthy rose
tardy glacier
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I’m the hero of numbani story, was there like.. anything at all taht was new? Because when they came out I remember people were excited for it and then everyone stopped talking about t when it came out, like there was nothing new or exciting about it. Was there anything new or major or important in that story?

peak escarp
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there was a lot of worldbuilding about Numbani and character building (some literally) for Orisa and Efi

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but since they're not major characters or popular, the book didn't get much notice

peak escarp
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I think they took a smart approach with the novels

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they started off with a minor character - if the book flopped, no big loss

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but it did well, paving the way for books about more popular characters and possibly books covering core story

topaz ledge
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that's something to look forward too instead of ov 2

iron plume
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Why not both

topaz ledge
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we know when the exact date when the book is going to release

iron plume
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Don't see how that precludes you from looking forward to it

topaz ledge
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i'm still looking forward to ov 2 but now we will get something new to pass the time

worthy rose
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Is it ever mentioned who made Genji's cybernetics?

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I know Mercy was the one to heal him up and make him a cyborg, but was she also the one to make the cybernetics? Cause it certainly doesnt look like Torb's handiwork

peak escarp
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Overwatch probably employed a cybernetics team

tribal plume
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What did Ana take/steal from Mercy again? I remember it being something and now I can’t quite remember.

iron plume
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She didn’t really steal from Mercy directly
But the rifle she uses was originally made by/for overwatch using Mercy’s tech and against her wishes

tribal plume
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Oh okay, thank you. 🙏

broken imp
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Im suprised that mercy showed up for winstons recall at all cause mercy tought overwatch was a mistake

iron plume
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The reason she did is explored in the Valkyrie story

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but basically Ana convinces her that the new overwatch is different, precisely because people like herself and Soldier aren't in it

sullen raptor
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Aw thats disheartening

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It feels like she blamed herself

peak escarp
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she might blame herself for not standing her ground more

sullen raptor
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But really tho

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The core mistake is Reyes turn bad..thats it

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Like if ur friend turn bad..u stop them. But I guess at the time she was stationed not in Swiss?

peak escarp
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their mistake was having a secret black ops division

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what could Mercy do to stop him?

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Jack fought him and it led to the Swiss base getting blown up

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she wasn't his friend either

sullen raptor
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"Anymore" u mean?

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I really wonder what goes through Reyes mind when he decided to take wrong path

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Forgot the past..friends..etc, why the heck would u give up that

peak escarp
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Mercy and Reyes were never friends

sullen raptor
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I mean ana

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With Ana and Jack

iron plume
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From Mercy's point of view, the whole Overwatch's path was a mistake for a long time

peak escarp
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Ana was "dead"

iron plume
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Even Blackwatch aside

sullen raptor
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Fine, he still had Jack then

peak escarp
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their friendship was breaking after Reyes withheld information from him during Retribution, then fell apart completely after Jack left Ana behind on a mission

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Reyes blames Jack for Ana's "death"

sullen raptor
peak escarp
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and he blames Overwatch for abandoning him to become Reaper

sullen raptor
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Oof

peak escarp
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we don't know the full story, but the blame probably isn't justified

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as we saw in Legacy, it was Ana who chose to turn off her comms and fight the sniper

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Jack had to get the rescue targets to safety

sullen raptor
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But now that Ana and Jack alive..i wonder if its too late

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Or all of them too stubborn to mend their broken relationship

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Then again if Reaper not antagonist anymore itll be weird i guess

worthy rose
crystal rock
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I wonder if blizzard forgot about the omnic that's revealed in Storm Rising

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Not much has been said about him at all. I wonder if he'll be on of the new playable characters in OW2 alongside Soujourn?

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Is he an assassin of some sort?

peak escarp
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he'll probably be a major antagonist for OW2

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it's speculated that he's the leader/a leader of Null Sector

crystal rock
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Hmmm makes sense, just curious, is doomfist the leader of talon

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Because it seems to imply HE hired him to do some business with Talon?

peak escarp
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yes

crystal rock
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Makes more sense now

peak escarp
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Doomfist is a member of the Talon council, and seems to be leading them for now

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other members of the Talon council include Sanjay Korpal (Vishkar negotiator and Symmetra's boss), Maximilien (omnic casino owner and money launderer), Reaper and Moira

violet fractal
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What is Sombra doing? After her cinematic we can see that she just betrays Talon, and took advantage of the oppurtunity at hand. Reaper also has a voice line on Volskaya where he says "Fine, ill do it myself." . Who is she actually working for, or is she just taking advantage of Talon, and gaining intel and power?

limpid agate
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Talon doesn't do anything about it because:

  • She's more useful alive than dead.
  • Doomfist likes ambition
  • Her keeping Volskaya alive is coincidentally exactly what Doomfist wanted
violet fractal
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Oh, so Talon's aware of it?

limpid agate
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Yes

broken imp
iron plume
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I doubt she joins OW
Even if she’s clearly not Talon material either

tribal plume
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I have a feeling if she does leave Vishkar she’ll be doing something on her own, probably to fix what she thinks Vishkar was doing wrong or something of the sorts.

broken imp
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i think she will work alongside ow, we already see someone like pharah join ow at blizcon even tough she is/was with helix

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and we see zen is playble in the campaing

tribal plume
iron plume
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Pharah was always fangirling over Overwatch yeah

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Symmetra doesn't quite align with them on her philosophy

tribal plume
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Sym has no interest in joining Overwatch and probably won’t. Not to say that that 100% won’t happen but.

compact cobalt
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Sym if she is playable

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Will most likely work with a member of overwatch

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But honestly sym might just have no story

tribal plume
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A lot of characters probably wont be involved.

iron plume
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Honestly the storyboards already suggest a lot more than I thought there’d be

compact cobalt
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I hope we get some ball content but it’s pretty unlikely

tribal plume
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Also, again I believe the interview was in French so I can’t be sure, but they confirmed Talon missions which means (if its true) it won’t just be Overwatch.

iron plume
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Half expected Pharah, didn’t expect Zarya

compact cobalt
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I expected Zarya to join

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Considering rein and Zarya are implied to know eachother from the voice lines

iron plume
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called mccree though

tribal plume
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Voice lines aren’t canon.

iron plume
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those aren’t canon

compact cobalt
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Yes but no other characters have that many together

tribal plume
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That’s actually not true, because Rein and Zarya only have like 3 or 4.

compact cobalt
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They have more iirc

tribal plume
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Let me check, actually.

broken imp
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i think they will try to write alot of charecters in tough

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But not all make sence

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like hammond

iron plume
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they have two

broken imp
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But someone like orisa could be writen in imo

tribal plume
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Two in total, one has two variations.

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So no, they don’t have a lot.

tribal plume
compact cobalt
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They don’t only have 2

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The birthday voice line isn’t listed on the wiki

iron plume
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!!lorewiki Zarya/Quotes

twilit nacelleBOT
iron plume
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It’s a variation on the same one

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Spawn interactions are more about what actors are available than about canon relationships

iron plume
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I think there’s a few safe bets on “no”

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Again though what we’ve seen is already more than I’d guess on first announcement

tribal plume
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Yeah, we’ll just have to see.

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Most of my favorite characters don’t seem to be central to the plot but I’m praying.

compact cobalt
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The 3 Australians are a safe no I think

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Same with ashe

tribal plume
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Yeah. I did see someone say that after the first campaign they could do different campaigns in later years with the not-included characters, so that’s something.

tribal plume
tribal plume
compact cobalt
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Do we know if dva is gonna get a part

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Did dva get a novel?

tribal plume
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If I remember correctly, D.va is with Overwatch in one of the storyboards.

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Or multiple of them. I think people are assuming she has joined them.

tribal plume
iron plume
#

well, Ashe/McCree

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I wouldn't say it's because of that though
It's more because she's essentially already played her part in Reunion

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There's a slight chance she may have a temporary alliance with Talon

broken imp
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I think the oppisite so possible, Idk what will be said in the comic but maybe mcree can convince ashe to help him in ow

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i dont think ashe will help or ally with talon

tribal plume
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Ashe hates McCree, that probably isn’t possible.

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She is definitely closer to doing a temporary alliance with Talon if its to get her out of trouble.

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I doubt she cares about ideals, that wouldn’t stop her.

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But technically anything is possible because we don’t know the extended plot of Ow2, so.

iron plume
#

!!shitposting @worthy rose

twilit nacelleBOT
#

@warm tiger Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

iron plume
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which is why it’s unlikely she joins Talon

tribal plume
#

True, true. She probably wouldn’t join them.

iron plume
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But a temporary alliance if their interests align is possible

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Also, while she does hate McCree, she’s, well

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if you’ll pardon my language, pretty tsundere about it

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doesn’t mean she’ll follow him but honestly I could see them teaming up for something if a larger threat arises

tribal plume
iron plume
#

@worthy rose This server is English-only

honest robin
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How many omnics are there

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And have more been created since the omnic crisis?

peak escarp
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probably billions

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and yes

honest robin
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I thought the factories were shut down

peak escarp
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Zenyatta, Echo and Orisa were all made post-crisis

honest robin
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Prior to the omnic crisis

peak escarp
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they were shut down before the crisis, then they woke up on their own

honest robin
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I don't know zens lore

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I guess I mean have they been produced in such high numbers

limpid agate
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limpid agate
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For example, the Nigerian Omnium produced the OR15s.

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And the Australian Omnium was a functioning omnium until terrorists blew it up and turned it into Junkertown.

limpid agate
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Omnic is not a synonym for Robot.

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Omnic is a brand of robots made by Omnica's Omniums.

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Echo is not an Omnic. She is just a robot, like Snowball or the Hyde Global drones.

peak escarp
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right, I forgot

honest robin
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i guess the real point im confused about is why the omniums were shut down. i know there was stuff about financial irregularities or corruption of some kind at omnica. but if they had actually managed to do what they said (ie create omnics) then surely that would be so valuable that the technology would have been sold and been done by another company elsewhere

peak escarp
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they weren't able to meet the quotas they promised, and Omnica was investigated for fraud

honest robin
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my assumption was that the production of omnics was so much more expensive than omnica was revealing that in fact it wasnt cost effective to build omnics

honest robin
peak escarp
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other companies can't make them if the tech is patented

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and the people responsible for creating them (Dr. Mina Liao, for example) are on an exclusive contract with Omnica

honest robin
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given how lucrative be able to build omnics is, i think that's unlikely

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omnica doesnt exist

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it was shut down

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if it fell into backruptcy, then its assets (eg the intellectual property behind building omnics) would be sold

peak escarp
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it didn't go bankrupt

honest robin
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otoh it cant be that hard if efi can do it

peak escarp
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it was shut down

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Efi didn't make Orisa from scratch

honest robin
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true true

honest robin
peak escarp
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she just wrote a personality and applied it to an already built (slightly damaged) omnic

honest robin
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like the basic question i have is: why did the world stop making omnics

peak escarp
peak escarp
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omnics are still being made

honest robin
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other than the few examples named

peak escarp
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there are omniums in Numbani and Siberia that are still producing omnics

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probably not on the scale of pre-crisis, but they're still being made

honest robin
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starting a game ty

peak escarp
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What came next is well-documented. The omniums began to break down. Independent analysis showed they would never come close to meeting the corporation's promises of growth and output. Omnica was investigated and forcibly dissolved after evidence of fraud was uncovered, its omniums shut down.```
honest robin
#

neat! thank you

cunning mortar
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Does not matter what anyone says here

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Doomfist is the most powerful being in overwatch

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He’s literally a demigod

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A heavy weight champion brawler brute

cosmic crest
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He's not a demigod.

peak escarp
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hard to argue that he's the most powerful when he's been defeated at least once

finite urchin
# peak escarp probably billions

I dont think billions...I’m pretty sure there are more humans than omnics and the world’s population is only around 8 billion

peak escarp
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millions then

finite urchin
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Yeah hundreds of millions probably

peak escarp
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and in 60 years the population will be a lot more than 8 billion

finite urchin
finite urchin
peak escarp
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and he was unable to beat the combined efforts of Lucio and Orisa in The Hero of Numbani

cunning mortar
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He did not get clapped by Winston yes he lost that one time that’s it

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However if a rematch was to happen Winston will get absolutely demolished

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They need the whole overwatch team to have a chance at a doomfist by himself

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Currently in the lore where he’s at his best rn he’s a Demi god

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He always gets better from each battle and actually gets better during a fight as well he always evolves

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He’s a Demi god number 1 powerful being in overwatch right now

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I’d say Winston is number 2

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After that it gets a little confusing

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I’d say sigma is up there but his brain is messed up which ruins his potential

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I’d say reaper could maybe be in the top 5

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Nah I’d say reaper is top 5

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I need more suggestions but rn I’d go
Doomfist

Winston
Sigma
Reaper
?

peak escarp
cunning mortar
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Notice the gap between doomfist at the rest

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YEAH

peak escarp
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and Winston pretty much defeated him in one punch

cunning mortar
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I’m saying now

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The thing is that time he won

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However for story telling it can’t happen again

peak escarp
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Orisa was designed specifically to defeat Doomfist now

cunning mortar
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Doomfist would absolutely pummel him

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Since he underestimated him

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Nope

peak escarp
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and she almost does in Hero of Numbani, until Doomfist retreats

cunning mortar
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Game wise yes

peak escarp
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not game wise

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in canon

cunning mortar
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Lore wise doomfist and even Winston would clap Orissa

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Doomfist can level a whole skyscraper

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Wtf is an orrisa gonna do?

peak escarp
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Doomfist can't level a skyscraper

cunning mortar
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Who has no battle experience as well?

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Yes he can

peak escarp
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that's just a rumor

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"They say he could level a skyscraper"

cunning mortar
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Exactly and even blizzard acknowledges it

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For example on thr April fools patch

peak escarp
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it's a joke

cunning mortar
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“And Dey say he could level a skyscaper” why say that otherwise

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Leo typically in fiction

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When someone says anything like that about the main villain

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It’s literally always true

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To build up hype about there power

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Have u seen how far he sent Winston flying with just one punch?

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Literally flew away at full speed across a whole city and only stopped because he crashed

peak escarp
cunning mortar
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The power and legends behind his gauntlet is the only truth

peak escarp
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it was said by a little kid who has never even seen him in person

cunning mortar
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Like I said after that

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It’s fiction everytime someone says an incredible feat of the main villain it’s always true

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That’s how story telling goes to create hype

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That’s literally how it is

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And it’s never been debunked even if the whole story telling case was not said

peak escarp
#

well we've never actually seen him level a skyscraper

cunning mortar
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But that’s the case

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Does not matter

peak escarp
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so there's no proof that he actually can

lyric sluice
#

ill believe it when i see it

cunning mortar
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There’s nothing that disproves it

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And it has been said

lyric sluice
#

hehe this is an intresting convo

peak escarp
#

that's not how evidence works

cunning mortar
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And literally any fiction goes

peak escarp
#

you can't prove a negative

lyric sluice
#

would u rly believe what a 8 year old says tho

cunning mortar
#

When anyone says anything about a main villains power in any form of fiction

lyric sluice
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and wasnt this b4 they rly rly rly went deep into the lore

cunning mortar
#

It’s always true

lyric sluice
#

*always

cunning mortar
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In order to create hype for the main villain

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Or any villain in general

lyric sluice
#

who said doomfist was the main villan

peak escarp
#

the facts remain that Doomfist was defeated by Winston 6 years ago, and was defeated by Efi, Orisa and Lucio in the present day

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he is not the most powerful

hushed jetty
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Can Sombra hack into people in canon or is that just a game thing?

cunning mortar
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Yes he is the most powerful

peak escarp
cunning mortar
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And when did he lose to orrisa and lucio?

lyric sluice
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or echo dupes

peak escarp
cunning mortar
#

And no he lost to Winston before however that would not be the case now

hushed jetty
#

Ah rip. Twould be cool if she could

cunning mortar
#

How does it go?

lyric sluice
#

i agree 🥰

lapis ermine
cunning mortar
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He started as an idea

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Ans became a character based on that a year later

peak escarp
#

Doomfist attacks a Lucio concert, Orisa and Lucio fight Doomfist off until Efi turns the concert speakers into a giant sonic amplifier, then Doomfist gets nervous and runs away

cunning mortar
#

So doomfist is never defeated than?

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He retreats I see

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Interesting

peak escarp
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he was going to lose, so he retreated

cunning mortar
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It seems off character I will research on that to see full context to make sure

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But those 2 doubled him anyways

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Now imagine a 1v1

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Slaughter

peak escarp
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There was a flicker in Doomfist’s eyes, just for an instant, but Efi noticed it. A hesitation. A hint of doubt. Doomfist projected a calm and controlling demeanor, but despite the declaration of victory painted on his skin, the outcome of this fight was not yet determined.

cunning mortar
#

Actually it should be a slaughter even with a 2v1 that’s weird that that’s the case

peak escarp
#

Doomfist is not that powerful

lyric sluice
#

i feel like doc u shouted that

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i can imagine it lol

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btw isnt he just an arm

cunning mortar
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So the fight was not lost tho

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Just not determined

peak escarp
#

if he kept fighting, he would have lost

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so he retreated

cunning mortar
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Ans he is still powerful as the rest can’t match him power

lyric sluice
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its kinda like leaving a tounry when its 9-0

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so

peak escarp
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he's very intelligent

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he knows when to leave a fight

lyric sluice
#

ok gtg cya doc

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and stranger doomfist simp 🥰

peak escarp
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I really recommend The Hero of Numbani - it gives some real depth to Doomfist's character, showing his intelligence and charisma

cunning mortar
#

I see I’ll def check it out

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The thing is none of them can beat him Ina 1v1

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So I’m still content with thst

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That

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Including Winston rn as rn if they 1v1 doomfist stomps all as he’s the main villain

peak escarp
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Doomfist still isn't the most powerful

cunning mortar
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Whole point is that he’s thus powerful being and needs a team to stop him idk we gotta wait and see

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He’s def the most powerful no1 beats him in a 1v1 currently

peak escarp
#

Sigma and Symmetra are more powerful

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Reaper is more undefeatable

slender crypt
#

I feel like Sigma is more powerful then like, all of the OW roster

peak escarp
#

Zarya is physically stronger

cunning mortar
#

That’s actually a good point I forgot about that ig technically symmetra is the most powerful since she can do anything lol

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I wouldn’t say sigma simple because yes he can control gravity but he’s unhinged

slender crypt
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Sigma's still a mystery lore wise for the most part, unless there's a comic or something about him I didn't read or watch

cunning mortar
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His mind is not stable

peak escarp
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the category Doomfist is the top at is charisma - he is the most charismatic character in Overwatch

cunning mortar
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I don’t see him beating the leader of talon

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And reaper nope

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Not even close lol

slender crypt
#

Sigma can quite easily beat Reaper

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imo

peak escarp
#

Reaper literally can't be killed

cunning mortar
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But can be beaten

slender crypt
#

He can be incapacitated

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still counts as a win

cunning mortar
#

Ans beaten to forced to retreat

slender crypt
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which Sigma can quite easily do

cunning mortar
#

Lol reaper is not up there

peak escarp
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Doomfist can be beaten too

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and has been

cunning mortar
#

I will say symmetra is sadly more powerful

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Yeh when he was not as strong

slender crypt
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I don't think Symmetra is that powerful, unless when we put her and Sigma together

peak escarp
#

in present day, at his peak

slender crypt
#

Reaper's only so high because of his... 'Immortality'

cunning mortar
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Cause symmetra can create anything from her mind ig

peak escarp
#

Symmetra's full power is unknown - we don't know the limits of hard light

slender crypt
#

Remember, Sigma's still a scientist

peak escarp
#

she's essentially a Green Lantern

slender crypt
#

he has the smarts

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even if unhinged

cunning mortar
#

Yeh reaper is powerful his powerful duel wield shotguns and as a ghost like being

peak escarp
#

Sigma's power depends on how much control he has

slender crypt
#

If he has full control

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yeah he'd be the strongest

cunning mortar
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However although reaper stands no chance against a doomfist he would wreck havoc on everyone else tbh

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Reaper is the number 2 guy at talon after doomfist

peak escarp
#

if he has absolute control over gravity, nobody would even touch him

cunning mortar
#

Agreed

peak escarp
#

Doomfist would get crushed flat

cunning mortar
#

But we have to see sigma powers there’s been nothing

slender crypt
#

Reaper and Doomfist I'd say are pretty even, at-least, they'd never really fight eachother

cunning mortar
#

But I agree sigma should be above doomfist in theory atleast

slender crypt
cunning mortar
#

But doomfist is a Demi god and controls an powerful army

slender crypt
#

well

peak escarp
#

maybe

cunning mortar
#

While sigma is a puppet

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Being controlled

peak escarp
#

stop saying he's a demi god

slender crypt
#

Doomfist... is not close to that

cunning mortar
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So he’s no threat to doomfist

slender crypt
#

he's just a human

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with a gauntlet

peak escarp
#

he's nowhere near that powerful

cunning mortar
#

No he’s not

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He’s a Demi god

peak escarp
#

he's still human

slender crypt
#

He's a HUMAN

peak escarp
#

he could get killed with a sniper bullet

cunning mortar
#

No he can’t lol

peak escarp
#

or be poisoned

slender crypt
#

And you have no proof of him being a Demi-God

peak escarp
#

he will one day grow old and die

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he has all the weaknesses of an ordinary human

slender crypt
#

augmentation doesn't make someone immortal, it just makes them less human

cunning mortar
#

Nah I just say Demi god cause he is a powerful being in the world I don’t mean it like an actual deity lol

#

In terms of fighting and power

slender crypt
peak escarp
#

then say god-like

cunning mortar
#

However

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In terms of fighting and power

peak escarp
#

you'd still be wrong though

slender crypt
#

I'm sure in a fight with literally anyone other then genji tracer or winston, he'd lose

cunning mortar
#

If doomfist and reaper fought tbh he would make pretty quick work of reaper

slender crypt
#

No, they'd be even or not even fight at all tbh

cunning mortar
#

Nope smh

peak escarp
#

Doomfist wouldn't even be able to land a hit on Reaper

cunning mortar
#

No1 beat him Ina 1v1 only symmetra and sign should win in theory

slender crypt
#

And tbh, why would they even fight if they have the same goals realisitically?

peak escarp
#

Reaper could just wraith away

cunning mortar
#

How tf can’t he land a hit when a base form Winston could?

#

Don’t low ball doomfist

slender crypt
#

Electricity goes through his wraith in lore

cunning mortar
#

He’s much more destructive and tankier than reaper

peak escarp
#

Reaper underestimated Winston and got cocky

#

he wouldn't do that to Doomfist

cunning mortar
#

All it takes is one punch from doomfist to annilate reaper out of the fight

slender crypt
#

Reaper would also, not even realistically fight Doomfist in lore

#

I know were talking hypothetical's

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but they are still a part of Talon

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and I believe have some respect for each-other

cunning mortar
#

That’s true just like how doomfist underestimated and considered Winston a joke which won’t be the case now as doomfist stomps currently

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Yeah

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True I heard there basically bro’s

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In the lore

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That makes me happy

slender crypt
#

There's like no interaction between Doom and Reaper but I'm sure it exists in lore somewhere

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since Doom was basically king of talon at one point

cunning mortar
#

As doomfist and reaper should both be the most destructive close range fighters

slender crypt
cunning mortar
#

He is the king of talon currently

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Reaper seems like his right hand man

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Doomfist makes all the final calls

peak escarp
#

they're equals

slender crypt
#

Genji quite literally possesses the power of an old dragon I believe

cunning mortar
#

But doomfist has respect for reaper and Vice versa

peak escarp
#

Doomfist and Reaper are both on the Talon council

cunning mortar
#

There not equal

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But doomfist still has the most influence

slender crypt
#

Reaper and Doomfist have equal control over talon

peak escarp
#

Doomfist is taking charge, but they're all equals

cunning mortar
#

He always gets the final say especially if he does not agree with anything or else he has the person murdered himself

slender crypt
#

Still can't believe Moira's in Talon

#

Doesn't like, most of Talon hate her?

peak escarp
#

no?

limpid agate
#

No.

peak escarp
#

why would they?

limpid agate
#

You're thinking of Sombra.

#

Most of Talon hates Sombra.

cunning mortar
#

It’s crazy if you believe there equal in terms of 1v1

#

Doomfist wins the question is if it’s a stomp or mid difficulty

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Cause doomfist does not break a sweat either way

peak escarp
#

it's rumored that she's been providing genetic enhancements for them since Retribution

cunning mortar
#

Tbh

slender crypt
#

I mean, I think only Reaper kinda doesn't like Moira

#

probably what I was thinking of

peak escarp
#

I mean equal in power/influence in Talon

limpid agate
#

Reaper doesn't dislike Moira

peak escarp
#

not phyiscal strength

cunning mortar
#

Ohh ok yeh I get it but even than I disagree cause doomfist has the most influence

limpid agate
cunning mortar
#

In terms of making commands and such

slender crypt
#

physical strength should belong to doomfist, but everything else is either tied or in Reaper's favor

tribal plume
#

I would add onto this conversation but I don't even know where we are at this point.

slender crypt
#

In-game voicelines aren't canon I think

cunning mortar
#

No doomfist beats reaper in a 1v1

slender crypt
#

but yeah in-game EVERYONE hates Moira XD

limpid agate
#

If you want to talk combat power. Reaper is a stronger and harder to eliminate version of Tracer, while Doomfist is a proven weaker brawler than Winston.

slender crypt
#

Going back to Doomfist Vs Reaper, Doomfist likely can incapacitate Reaper, but that's about it

cunning mortar
#

Not Proven

tribal plume
#

I don't think Reaper hates Moira. They both are passive aggressive.

cunning mortar
#

Plus reaper lost to Winston twice

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But nope doomfist is more powerful

slender crypt
#

Doomfist will never be able to kill Reaper

cunning mortar
#

That doomfist is different from the current doomfist

slender crypt
#

but he has the capabilities to incapacitate

cunning mortar
#

He can’t kill reaper but he can beat him in a fight anytime

#

Forcing reaper to run away like Winston for example

slender crypt
#

Depends on the circumstances, in a pure 1 on 1 scenario were one person must die, Reaper wins.

cunning mortar
#

Cause his durability is lower

#

Nope

#

Actually

slender crypt
#

Reaper can't really be killed

#

and his wraith allows him to scoot through any of Doomfist's attacks

limpid agate
cunning mortar
#

Yeh that’s true if one has to be kills it depends tho doomfist beats him in a fight everytime how would reaper even manage to overcome all odds

slender crypt
#

TBF, it was kinda unfair because Winston is genetically mutated

cunning mortar
#

My freaking god Ik but that’s not the same doomfist

slender crypt
#

and genetic mutation>augmentation

cunning mortar
#

I keep saying that

limpid agate
#

How is it not the same Doomfist.

slender crypt
#

You're thinking of Doomfist like he's a pantheon

#

he's not

cunning mortar
#

Yeh but he lost to a fucking younger doomfist who was not as experienced in fighting threats like that

limpid agate
#

Younger?

cunning mortar
#

Doomfist always evolves

peak escarp
#

that fight was only 6 years ago and Doomfist has spent those 6 years in prison, not a lot of opportunity to get stronger

cunning mortar
#

He always evolves during fights

limpid agate
#

That fight was 6 years ago. During those 6 years, Doomfist was in prison.

cunning mortar
#

Prison? You train in prison as well

slender crypt
#

He was in maximum security

cunning mortar
#

What has Winston done in those 6 years?

#

Sit around and eat peanut butter?

limpid agate
#

That was more or less prime Doomfist.

tribal plume
#

With other people, though? Just because he works out doesn't mean he got more battle sense.

limpid agate
#

That was Winston's second mission.

cunning mortar
#

Lord forbid if Winston sees doomfist he’s getting sent to another country

slender crypt
#

Doomfist lost the fight because it was a 3 on 1

limpid agate
#

So an unexperienced Winston beat Doomfist in a fist fight.

#

A very very experienced Doomfist

cunning mortar
#

He’s not experienced

#

Doomfist is much more powerful now

limpid agate
#

Doomfist has more than 20 years of experience.

#

Winston had a week.

peak escarp
cunning mortar
#

Against a weaker doomfist

slender crypt
#

Well, he was struggling a little while it was a 3 on 1

#

he only won because of tactics

limpid agate
#

You are really stretching it to try and make a point that doesn't exist.

cunning mortar
#

Because he evolved during battle

limpid agate
#

Tactics? What tactics?

slender crypt
#

Reading Movements and predicting

limpid agate
#

Winston just punched the Doomfist Gauntlet directly. Fist to Fist

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And it won.

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Oh you mean Doomfist.

slender crypt
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Yeah

cunning mortar
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That time yes he won

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but now it would be a different case

slender crypt
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Doomfist had the better tactical sense

limpid agate
slender crypt
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but he underestimated Winston

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and lost

cunning mortar
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That’s how story telling works

limpid agate
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Based on what

slender crypt
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same scenario happened with Reaper and Winston

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Reaper underestimated Winston and was forced away

cunning mortar
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Wdym? That’s literally how fictional story telling works

limpid agate
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No it isn't.

slender crypt
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Who's gonna tell him?

limpid agate
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And that's not an argument

cunning mortar
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It is

limpid agate
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For every example you come up with where someone gets stronger and wins the second time, I'll find an example where they get stronger but lose the second time anyways.

peak escarp
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according to storytelling tropes, the hero always wins, so Doomfist would still lose

slender crypt
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If we're going to go off of fictional sense

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your point would be mooted

cunning mortar
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Why tf would blizzard let the main villain lose again in a regular 1v1 rn it would require more than jusr Winston to beat him

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Doomfist is literally the thanos

limpid agate
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Doomfist is not literally Thanos.

peak escarp
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Doomfist wouldn't get into a 1v1

limpid agate
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I think that's your problem.

slender crypt
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Doomfist is too smart to get into a 1v1 with anyone

limpid agate
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You are severely overestimating how powerful Doomfist is.

peak escarp
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he'd have his mooks do most of the fighting

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like in Hero of Numbani

limpid agate
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Doomfist was forced to retreat by Orisa.

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Orisa and children.

slender crypt
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Doomfist would've most likely been captured or died if he went out there

limpid agate
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And that was present day

cunning mortar
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Doomfist solos ow world

limpid agate
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THe "stronger" one you are arguing.

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No, he does not.

slender crypt
limpid agate
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Doomfist is no where near as powerful as you think he is.

slender crypt
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okay

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Sigma at full control wipes a planet

cunning mortar
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Not countering those 2 lol

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*counting

slender crypt
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Symmetra at full control... well there's no limit

limpid agate
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Doomfist does not "solo" the OW world. He couldn't even solo Orisa and children.

slender crypt
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Well, he can still Manipulate Gravity, depending on how tactical he is at the time

cunning mortar
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Yeh while yes gravity can do that how do we know sigma gravity power is capable of that

slender crypt
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if he's unhinged

cunning mortar
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There’s levels to powers like that

slender crypt
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yeah he doesn't have that much power

cunning mortar
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Doomfist def solos ow

limpid agate
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We don't know how powerful he is. Just saying "they manipulate gravity" doesn't tell you by how much

cunning mortar
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Works

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World

limpid agate
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@cunning mortar Provide a source.

cunning mortar
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1v10000 he wins

slender crypt
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I think this kid is an actual troll tbh

worthy rose
limpid agate
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If you're just going to keep making meaningless comments with nothing to back it up, you will be removed for derailing the channel to effectively shitpost spam.

worthy rose
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Winston alone already beat him

cunning mortar
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What source? There’s nothing confirmed of that I’m just saying

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He’s thanos

limpid agate
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He is not Thanos.

slender crypt
limpid agate
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I'm not going to warn you again.

cunning mortar
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I will say

slender crypt
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Sigma and Symmetra's limit is currently unknown, I can beat you every dollar I got that they're more powerful than Doomfist

limpid agate
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Probably.

cunning mortar
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That sigma and symmetra based on there powers should be able to beat or at the very least trouble doomfist

limpid agate
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I would argue the 5 contenders for most powerful or hardest to defeat are Sigma, Symmetra, Orisa, Winston, and Reaper (when he's not jobbing)

slender crypt
worthy rose
cunning mortar
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That’s all no1 is beating doomfist for sure

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Loll

limpid agate
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In no particular order.

slender crypt
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Cause he's a little unhinged

cunning mortar
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Bro ur tripping if u don’t got doomfist at top3

limpid agate
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Sym and Sigma are wild cards. They have powerfully defined feats, but their limits are not known.

worthy rose
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If Sigma just throws rocks at him Doom wins.If Sigma decides to say maybe rip him apart I think he could win

slender crypt
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Sigma and Symmetra are number 1 and 2

limpid agate
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Winston defeated prime Doomfist in a fist fight. He also has many other mary sue feats he shouldn't have.

cunning mortar
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That was not prime

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Prime doomfist is current doomfist

peak escarp
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that was 100% Doomfist in his prime

limpid agate
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Are you arguing that prime Doomfist loses to Orisa and children instead?

slender crypt
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Sigma would prolly do it, since he is forced to work at Talon

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this kid istg

limpid agate
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Have you read Hero of Numbani?

slender crypt
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he doesn't provide evidence

limpid agate
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Have you read Hero of Numbani?

cunning mortar
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Was it not Orissa and lucio?

limpid agate
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No

slender crypt
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No Lucio wasn't even there-

limpid agate
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Lucio wasn't dealing with him.

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He was there

cunning mortar
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Yeh I heard if it but I gotta see it on YouTube

slender crypt
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Oh he was?

limpid agate
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But he was doing other stuff in that battle.

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It was Orisa and children that beat Doomfist.

slender crypt
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Ah alright, I was thinking he was elsewhere

limpid agate
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Or rather

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Forced Doomfist to retreat

cunning mortar
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Did doomfist go all out?

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Or did he just deem it to be a useless fight now?

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Since he got other priorities maybe

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?

slender crypt
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That was his main priority tho

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They literally planned it out

limpid agate
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I'm pretty sure this building collapsed, but I forget the details.

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worn island
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Im sure it was like that big cocky villain move where he's like "I didn't even want to do this in the first place" when in reality he got scared

peak escarp
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Doomfist attacked the concert to make a statement

worn island
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I see

peak escarp
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he wanted to show the world his power

limpid agate
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And then he was bested by Orisa and children.

worn island
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Is it public knowledge that doomfist got bested?

limpid agate
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Yes.

slender crypt
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Yes

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very much so

worn island
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opposite effect acheived then haha

cunning mortar
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U have to Remember he always gets stronger through each fight

slender crypt
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I don't think

worn island
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why?

slender crypt
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that's how that works

limpid agate
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Based on what.

cunning mortar
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And it’s proven from his origin story

slender crypt
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Statements mean NOTHING

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if he can't back it up

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and so far

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he hasn't

limpid agate
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If you don't provide a source to that comment, you are going to be disposed of on the spot.

peak escarp
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“There’s nowhere to go now,” Lúcio said. “Surrender. I’ll bet they even kept your prison cell open for you.” 
“I’m not going back,” Doomfist said.```
cunning mortar
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Because he states he gets stronger through conflict and during his battle he’s literally adapting becoming more powerful

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I’m surprise none of you caught that

slender crypt
limpid agate
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That's enough of that.

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Moving swiftly onwards.

worn island
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isnt he referring to the world

slender crypt
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Okay anyway

iron plume
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He gets stronger because he says so is an interesting take

limpid agate
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I am okay with discussing people with different opinions. I am not okay with people peddling unsourced misinformation as fact.

worn island
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Uhhhh, soooo D.va am i right?

iron plume
worn island
slender crypt
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D.va is a weird lore character

worthy rose
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shes ok I guess

worn island
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how does dm work?

peak escarp
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according to Doomfist's philosophy, everyone gets stronger through conflict

slender crypt
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There's still no clear-cut answer on If D.va will actually join OW

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or if she'll stay in Korea to defend her country

peak escarp
iron plume
worn island
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oooo, that's precise

slender crypt
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It's a counter-shot basically

peak escarp
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you can see her rapidly pressing the buttons on her controls when she uses it

iron plume
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All that APM

worn island
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yeah jeez

peak escarp
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this is why they wanted pro gamers to pilot the mech

limpid agate
peak escarp
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fast reaction time, nimble fingers, etc.

slender crypt
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before it wasn't so clear cut

limpid agate
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D.Va, Zarya, Baptiste were all teased there to join. We also saw Pharah and McCree as part of the team.

slender crypt
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I don't like Zarya joining OW tbh

peak escarp
worn island
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one of the concept sketch scenes right?

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yeah that one

limpid agate
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Yeah, only in the concept sketches though.

slender crypt
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I don't like Zarya joining OW tbh

limpid agate
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We didn't see Zarya, D.Va or Baptiste modeled into cutscenes.