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She goes further for the same amount of energy
I believe is what doc was saying there
Yeah
If you ask me, Blizzard needs to make more canon relationships. There's Morrison and Vincent, I believe is his name, but that's gone. Tracer and Emily, Torb and his wife, and Sam and Ana
there's plenty of non-romantic relationships
This aint a high school drama one or two relationships is fine
Those enhancements help her hacking
And the translocator is a modified chronal accelerator
I thought the trans looked more like winston’s bubble device
Sombra basically has a computer implanted in her spine
they all sorta look the same
which makes sense, since they're all made by Winston (or based off his designs)
Thanks
I agree.
Ana x Rein would be amazing.
What time is the Talon skin for Widow and Sombra used, out of curiosity? And is there any explanation why Talon operatives and Overwatch agents shifted out of their standardized uniforms and into something more custom?
The cannonicity of those skins are questionable.
Especially Sombra's.
We know Baptiste's is cannon.
Widow, Doomfist and Sigma's might be but there is no evidence.
Doomfist's is canon
I can agree to this.
I feel as if Widow's is plausible. The question still stands though, if they were canon, when would they be used? And why did Overwatch move out of the standardized uniforms?
Also, Sigma has a Talon uniform. Opinions?
I like to believe Talon, like Overwatch, had standardized uniforms at one point for their special operatives, explaining the skins. Call it a head canon if you will, I really like the idea.
this one might also be non-canon
since he's kept in a lab and isn't used on missions
Overwatch probably moved away from standardized uniforms when their reputation and public image began to decline
maybe they didn't want to look like a military
what about it
It's cool
I know it's not explained well but when tracer's accelerator gets disabled how do overwatch "find" her again if they want to reanchor her? Does she just appear and reappear randomly over large distances or whats up with that?
I imagine they have something capable of generating a field that works like the chronal accelerator - they bring that field to where Tracer was last seen and hope she reappears
Ana has a husband...
He doesn't know she's alive(well, not currently, we'll see if he finds out)
But she's clearly a faithful woman.
You say clearly like she's done something to prove it. I wouldn't necessarily say she's Clearly a faithful woman considering she's been KiA for many, many years and haven't told her husnband As for Ana x Rein, a man can dream. Their interactions are so cute, leave me alone 😠
I say clearly because of her personality.
There is no Ana and Rein
She was with Sam for ~25 years
Maybe more
And according to Bastet, she was happily married
No interactions or no romance?
On interactions, I believe there is one where he says, "Ana, we all thought you were dead!"
But if you mean no romance, then I agree.
No romance.
Dont you mean the one where they both call each other ”lovely looking as ever”
A man can dream, leave me alone.
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Yeah. That's the one that primarily makes me smile at the thought of them being together.
Lol
It wasn't being discussed, it was briefly mentioned. You're expanding upon the idea, I'm commenting. My comment wasn't inviting more discussion, it was shutting down any further discussion about the topic. I.E, leave me alone.
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Take a pill, lol.
if we need something to discuss . . . I'm working on compiling a list of every named character in Overwatch
A.I. Schylus - Male. Age unknown. Omnic. Actor. Abdul Hakim - Male. Age unknown. Egyptian. Crime lord. Adams - Male. Age unknown. American. Overwatch researcher. Deceased. Full name unknown. Adhabu Ngumi - Male. Age and nationality unknown. War hero. The first holder of the title Doomfist. A...
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U addicted
I like making lists
you know, if people want a cool, handgun wielding hero, Nguyen is right there
they don't have to stretch to make Maximilien into something he's not
Yeah i really hope they’d make a support that they’d give a pistol or smth as backup
Oh wait
That’s mercy...
Plus max is pretty much never gonna be a hero, he cant defend himself at all
If that wasnt obvious before
a lot of concepts make Max summon in Talon troops to fight for him, but that would be thematic for Nguyen too - he is the handler who gives orders to troops
Yes i hear about the summoning a lot
Maximilien is too much of a coward to be anywhere near combat if he can avoid it
Yeah plus design wise he has as much chance of becoming a hero as a fridge
BUT Max is going to be involved in the plot of OW2 and I am totally down for that
he could be the turncoat that people have been wanting
Yeah he seems to have some morals, he tells doomfist that he cant condone talon anymore
Probably was just in it for the money and didnt expect talon to make it this far
even criminals have limits
Yep
extortion and money laundering is fine, but starting a war?
Wait doomfist wanted to start a war bc he thought it would make humanity strongher right
And null sector is the malcolm x of overwatch basically
Yeah i mean they might start a war but at the end they have opposing goals
Talon wants humanity stronger, null sector wants omnics stronger
Wonder if they’ll clash later on
Doomfist is backing Null Sector but he wants humanity to win
Yeah definitely feels like both parties will be out of it once they get what they want
hahahah
Yh bro
did some one see abo 3abD
if you see him tell him i sead ok for thhe deal7
Lore only pls
A hero I'd like to see added(not the first time you've heard this, I'm sure) is Mauga.
His kit is already fleshed out; we know he totes two large chainguns and a shield(but I'm sure they aren't the exact same as the Heavy Assault's).
It says it's an energy shield, so I think so.
"Quick as lightning, Mauga stepped in front of Nguyen, activating an energy shield. Baptiste covered the
rear, rifle up as the doors slammed shut behind them. The guards raised their weapons, but the first shot was
Nguyen’s, from a sidearm that Baptiste hadn’t even seen him draw. One man went down without a sound."
Sorry for sending the portion of the story so late, I was doing something.
I heard Sigma was originally Mauga, but the kit didn't fit his personality, so they put Mauga in the "later" bin and introduced Sigma
Basically, yes
Really?
Probably for the best; Sig's kit doesn't seem to be like Mauga at all!
exactly
Yes, that's why they made a new character for the kit instead of letting Mauga have it
Mauga is a berserker, but the kit they made seemed to tactical and intelligent
So they instead made a new scientist character for it
Mauga would be cool in game
You'll get him
Yay!
What lore does sojourn have?
Cuz isn't sojourn the first new hero in ow2
And if so, I wanna know all I can
She was a member of Overwatch for ~20 years, being seen in that old photo from Ana origins.
When Ana "died", Sojourn as captain took over her post and commanded the strike team in Storm Rising
She is a Canadian, and is currently in Toronto, presumably because she lives there.
She received the Recall too, we see her in Recall.
what new characters are confirmed for overwatch 2? sorry if that's a stupid question
Sojourn.
Thanks
mauga too
oh yay
Sojourn was announced as an OW2 launch hero.
We saw WIP assets for Junkerqueen.
We were told Mauga will become a hero eventually.
Everyone else is speculation
oooooh I see, I have been interested in the junkerqueen actually
that's gonna be awesome
All we saw was her first person assets. So her arms and axe.
I'm excited to learn more about Sojourn because through her, we'll probably learn how Canada handled the Omnic Crisis
also it's nice to add more older ladies to the roster
we only have 2 female heroes age 40+ vs 7 male
True.
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mercy will soon be 40
she getting old
fr
Ok I’m back and with questions
???
In Ana’s backstory it shows Pharah as a child and Mercy as an adult so does this mean Mercy is way older tha Pharah?
Mercy was in college
2nd Roadhog made the toxins in Australia happen so why does Junkrat hire him if he ruined his life?
Roadhog was part of the militia that planned that attack; he's not directly at fault for it.
And lastly Reinhardt saved Torbs life is this during null sector or the omnic crisis?
Not null
Oh k thank you
Omnic Crisis, I believe.
Thank you that is all I had to ask
Aight
Thank you
Np
Mercy is almost 40, Pharah is 32.
That was probably Pharah in her pre-teen years or early teens.
Oh ok
Nevermind, Mercy is 37.
So much confusion
Mercy was also a prodigy, I believe, so she might have graduated earlier than most.
Also, if Pharah was, say, 13 or 14 in that image, then it'd make since for Mercy to be in college.
Even 11 or 12 works.
Ye
Later as she was still a student in university she would visit the Overwatch base and once posed for a photo with Torbjörn, other Overwatch members and a young Fareeha Amari.[10]
Gimme your best
(From the Overwatch wiki)
Baptise and Mercy met after he ran away from Talon and Mercy helped him thinking he could change. Would she tell this to the rest of Overwatch so that they could try and see what made Baptise quit and why he joined so they could learn where they might strike next?
Mercy prob doesn't know he was talon
Baptiste wouldn't have much intel, as he'd been on the run from Talon for a while.
Oh
Yeah
That's not something you just walk around saying
Bap is a very important character since he has been in Talon
He just has to admit to him being in Talon
I don't see Bap being very important quite yet; but if he manages to join Overwatch or decides to become a vigilante and meet up with them, maybe he will.
in that image Pharah is 12, Mercy is 17
McCree is also 17, and newly recruited into Blackwatch
Baptiste met Mercy in a humanitarian aid camp in Venezuela - its unclear whether she knew he was ex-Talon or not
Baptiste joined Talon because he had nowhere else to go, and left because he wasnt cool with looting and murdering civilians
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What are the extent of Sigma's power lore wise?


Hes pretty powerful.He can create boulders and can create some kind of black hole that absorbs projectiles and he can create shields
I don't think you can count the ingame stuff as lore
But thats the only thing to go off of afaik
hm, unfortunate
And usually gameplay abilities translate to lore
we don't know the extent of his powers
I'd love for his mental and physical state to be more fleshed out
we do know that he doesn't have full control over them
De Kuiper continues to develop his powers in hopes of unlocking the secrets of the universe, unaware that Talon is using both him and his research.
He continues to increase his power.It doesn't say anything about not being fully in control of his powers
the music he hears is an auditory hallucination caused by his brain trauma
meant to be symbolic of the Musica Univeralis
The musica universalis (literally universal music), also called music of the spheres or harmony of the spheres, is an ancient philosophical concept that regards proportions in the movements of celestial bodies – the Sun, Moon, and planets – as a form of music. This "music" is not thought to be audible, but rather a harmonic, mathematical or reli...
Using him and his research how exactly?
we don't know yet
possibly to create new tech for their combat units
someone suggested that maybe the Puller's tractor beam was derived from Sigma's work
The Puller 👀
New enemy units are coming to Overwatch 2. https://t.co/qk2Cx1CoE0
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aren't they null and not talon?
Null Sector and Talon are working together
that's what Doomfist and Null Hectorthe mysterious omnic were setting up in the Storm Rising outro
there are sojourn, mauga, and a reporter was apparently shown 4 silhouettes of upcoming heroes
Dude, shut up
This is for serious lore
Not your crap
You're, your. In that context same difference
That's really offensive. Nazi is not a term to use lightly
DID YOU EVEN READ THE RULES
Racist, idiot
Who can't spell now?
Stop being an idiot
Jow
How"
It's the truth
You could hurt someone by calling them NAZI
Still using Nazi
That's even more offensive

I can't believe you would use nazi to me! A guy who is mostly German!
I'm done with this
Winston is super smart
he's genetically enhanced
Oh
Dude, shut up
Who do you think is the kindest in Overwatch?
Mercy
I'd say mei
enough shitposting in here @muted quarry @tender crystal
probably Mercy or Mei
I will gladly stop
she paid respects to her dead coworkers
She seems pretty chill in her in game interactions
A respectful person
Who's the meanest in overwatch?
Reaper

doomfist maybe
Maybe doomfist or widow
Yeah I was gonna say sombra and Sym too but people just don't like sombra for being so invasive and symmetra doesn't have the best social skills
Hanzo is kinda mean cuz he like killed his brother lol
Doomfist and Widow aren't mean
yeah i wouldn't say doom is mean
Does hanzo know that
Yes
he's very charismatic and that would be difficult if he was rude
Have you seen Dragons?
none of the heroes are really mean
Yeah his philosophy is concerning but he's charismatic. Which is the reason he has such a high rank I think
I mean reaper kinda kills to kill, at least in some interactions
I want a mean hero >:3
Oh I thought he was baps friend
he was
but then Bap blew him up
Only he didnt
Lucio is nice
she's got rules though
she's got honor
Her principles: keep your word, don’t work with the law, respect each other’s territory, and always punish betrayal.
Why is her eyes red
Does bob have sentience
it's fairly common for albinos in fiction to be depicted with red/pink eyes for some reason
probably just an aesthetic choice
that's also possible
I am right with the statement on McCree, right doc?
technically he worked with overwatch on the one part which didn't follow the law, blackwatch
But still, it's overwatch. It is a part of an organization that counts as the law
yes
Ok
he broke the first rule, so Ashe is enforcing the fourth rule
how were they in the gang's hierarchy? equal?
How does tracers power work? Does she just alter time for herself? So her blinks are just her speeding up time to the place where she would be in the future?
Ashe and McCree were both founders of the gang
pretty much
Oh ok
I like to think of it like a fast forward/rewind button
Ashe became a gangster cuz of McCree, rite
I thought it was because she was neglected by her family
we'll see more info on Ashe and McCree forming the gang in Deadlock Rebels, the novel that comes out in June
speaking of recall, how doe tracer know she traveled back if her brain presumably goes back in time as does the rest of her body
Yea, but doesn't ashes bio say something about McCree
When Ashe is arrested yet again on the morning of her high school graduation, her aloof, old-money parents decide to disinherit her from the family fortune. To steal back what's rightfully hers, Ashe teams up with her omnic butler, B.O.B., and local ruffian Jesse McCree for a series of heists, catapulting the trio into a game of fast money and dangerous alliances. Along the way, Ashe discovers that family isn't just about blood. It's about the people who've got your back when your back's against the wall.
Ooh, I need that. like, now
Ok, thanks for the clarification
can bob talk?
Does baptiste know anyone in Overwatch?
probably
he met Mercy previously
Do u just have the wiki/site open on the side at all times or what, doc?
nah, I just have an obsession with the lore
Doc is extremely knowledgeable abt all things overwatch lore
It has not been seen, so possibly
bow to her.
I swear doc has just a folder full of sources and cites with the most advanced search function
Ha
a google doc, but yes
i've learned pretty much everything from her lol
Hold up. You have a Google doc for lore?!
yup
WHY?
several, actually
I need all of them
what?
same
Im obsessed with lore too. I need to know MORE
Which hero kit would you want to have?
please lord giveth upon us
I.e. have all the intellect/powers/connections as the hero you choose
sombra
i can rick roll every one
Sigma and tracer are an obvious goto, but echo's awesome too
I think winston would be cool, intelligence wise
Ha, of have never guessed you'd say that doxc
Oh mercy's powers would be great, advanced medical technology and flight, resurrection
Doc*
which one is that?
Ur pfp totally didn't give it away
zarya's gun would be awesome
McCree's
ofcourse I wouldn't be able to pick it up with my noodle hands
okay
but it'd still be awesome
I want widow's
does reinhardt's hammer count?
I just want smg mode to look better
It's a weapon
Same
The fact that she's even able to lift it shows just how strong she is.
what training do you think you would have to do to be a crusader? like, the weight of the armor and the hammer would take a lot of muscle to move around with, especially swinging the hammer and stopping it to swing it again
a lot of weight and endurance training
whats roadhogs healing gas called again?
Hogdrogen
because I have a theory, that the hogdrogen might have side effects that expand roadhogs organs, why he's a bit tubby. plus when his gut shakes in-game, it makes a sloshing squishing sound that im pretty sure isn't normal
why does he need a reason to be large?
it's more about the squishing sound
it sounds like leather and farts to me
to me it sounds like someone playing around with raw hamburger or other meats
yo. the crusader program,
or crusader unit or whatever it was called.
did they alter or enhance their soldiers? they would have to, right? i mean, that soldier is absolutely fucking massive and even a weight lifter wouldn't be able to swing it around the way rein does on the regular. or is this one of those 'don't look too much into it' kind of things?
We have no idea if they did any modifications, but its possible they didn't.
There are many other people who are just naturally big.
Roadhog and Zarya come to mind.
Why was Mcree upset with Antonio dead? In the comic he said something about wanting to kill him, so now since he’s dead why is it a big deal?
speaking for myself here, but im guessing it's because he didn't like the idea of being an assassin. like, maybe antonio would've been better off dead but mccree didn't want to do it himself or have a hand in it. in gabe and mccrees interaction, he says "This is NOT how we do things!" implying blackwatch doesn't deal in assassination.
i'm really just spit balling it but that's what i'm thinking. he's not upset at killing, he's been cooperative throughout blackwatch's missions (which include a lot of subterfuge, blackmail, sabotage and stuff of that caliber theoretically), but assassination seems to be where he draws the line. it isn't so much that antonio was killed, it's more that killing antonio wasn't apart of the plan, and mccree isn't fine with the idea of being a kill squad.
Blackwatch just walked into Antonio's home and killed him. Even if he was a scum bag, that's not peacekeeping, that's murder.
I mean I don't quite know cree's personality but I think we'd all want scumbags to rot in prison rather than take the easy way out and die
You guys seem right on it. I’ve had this on my mind for a while too, Thank you for giving some possible explanations to that situation.
...thats a thing?
Not irl, but potentially in the future.
Not going to lie, I kind of want to see this as an alternate skin for Reaper:
yeah still have so many skins who could been made on archives
So one of Lucios lines is "hey genji, can I hook my lights up to your music?" and genji replies "that's not what they are for" which probably isn't a super accurate quote but, does this imply that his lights have a purpose or is it just genji being overdramatic?
because when McCree wanted to assassinate Antonio in the comic, Reyes shut him down and said they're bringing him back for questioning
Reyes went against the plan they made, and against his character (even as Reaper he's known for making careful plans and following them)
Why did he shoot antonio anyway? Did antonio end up convincing reyes that he would get scot off free and reyes got frustrated and shot him?
seems like it
although I have a theory that Moira's experiments made him more impulsive, or more likely to act on impulses
Ah i see
sup
I assume it's just him being dramatic
i guess it shows when he activates his dragon?
maybe it improves his agility?
Why would lights improve his agility?
Everyone knows that if you put neon lights on a car it makes it go faster and improves the handling. Maybe Gengi is like a ‘96 Civic.
Omg guys let’s talk about useful stuff not genji’s fashion sense
such as?
Anything but...lights?
Genji’s lights are lights
They dont make him more agile, they dont, uh, turn him into a car, and they arent a signal for activating his dragon
He implies they have a purpose.
When genji says “that’s not what they are for” im pretty sure he means that he doesnt want to be hooked up to lucio’s music, not that they serve a purpose
Then he wouldn't of phrased it that way.
Plus, being dramatic runs in the veins of the shimada
Genji has two responses to that line
and
so he can hook them up to music, but doesn't want to
I doubt Blizzard is going to give us a reason for the lights.
But the way he responds there implies they have a purpose in universe.
That "purpose" could just be making him look cool.
well, yes
that would be the out of universe reason
It could also be in-universe too I think because he's turned the lights off before.
Sorry, I wasn't trying to talk about fashion I was just curious if they did serve any purpose besides that
yo,
what is reinhardt and brigittes relationship? is she his goddaughter? and what does he usually refer to her as? niece? goddaughter? brigitte?
She's his goddaughter and squire
do we have any idea as to why brigitte decided to go with reinhardt?
or why torbjorn allowed brig to go with reinhardt?
Everyone expected that Brigitte would continue her apprenticeship and follow in her father's footsteps. But her plans changed due to influence of another prominent figure in her life, her father's close friend and fellow Overwatch agent, Reinhardt Wilhelm. A close friend of the family and Brigitte's godfather, Reinhardt told Brigitte tales of heroes and chivalry as she grew up. After his retirement and Overwatch's fall, Reinhardt declared that he would become a knight-errant on a quest to bring justice. Before he left on his adventures, Brigitte surprised him by asking to join him as his squire. Reinhardt accepted.
Torbjorn probably let her go because he trusts Reinhardt
Also because she's an adult and can do what she wants. But I take it he approved of it anyway.
Fair enough
Torb probably let her go because he wanted to focus on his turrets
they've had at least 2 cats
1/2 is the same cat
3 is Mitzi, the cat in her emote
she likes cats
btw why people say about jetpack cat?
that third image is Jetpack Cat
Brigitte made armor for her cat when she was a child
and wanted to build a jetpack for it
which is a reference to this concept art
the concept of an animal piloting a mech was later used for Wrecking Ball
Its confirmed that Jetpack Cat will never be a hero
😢
I'd main jetpack cat for the memes.
as a character it wouldn't make sense
why are junkrat and roadhog banished from junkertown?
Junkrat gives a list of guesses as to why in The Plan
What was do you think was it that got us the boot? Stealing the queen’s cash? Blowing up her summer shack? The beat down at the bar?
Basically they pissed off the junker Queen lol
@peak escarp Soundquake.
That's one of the named Overwatch heroes from the Overwatch cinematic trailer. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqnKB22pOC0].
Thought it would help you on your quest to compile a list for every named character. Hope you don't have him yet. Apparently he has chest missiles. Helix security?
Fusionator.
Oh shit. Just noticed from rewatching the trailer that Reaper cannot only manifest shotguns, but grenade launchers as well. Cool!
Soundquake sounds like a tforner name
why did widowmaker kill her husband
Because Talon kidnapped and reconditioned her.
which they did because her husband was a Blackwatch agent in charge of taking Talon down
what's the name of the bird with bastion?
Ganymede
okay
Do we know who brigs mother is
For more information about the game, please refer to the wiki: https://overwatch.gamepedia.com/Ingrid_Lindholm
@median frigate 
Thank you
everyone always asks for more lore for people like sym, dva and lucio. what about zarya? does anyone know her origins apart from that shes a weightlifting champion?
she was born on the front lines of the omnic war that was going on in Russia, she ripped the particle canon from a tank to use as a weapon, she became weightlifter so she could be strong enough to eventually fight for her people, so that's basically it
wow
yeah she has a voice line that says "i was born in battle". ithought she was being tough.
thanks!
your welcome!
thats interesting. i definitely respect her more. i just hope we get to see her interact with the other heroes in ow 2
We will
During BLizzconline, we saw from storyboards that she was part of the core OW team
Is that canon or was that an early iteration of her story
What do you mean
^
It was storyboards for the OW2 campaign
They make storyboards for all animations
And we saw some WIP
DVa and Baptiste were also seen in storyboards
Does WIP stand for work in progress
yes
Do we know the parents of any heroes?
we know Brigitte's and Pharah's
Mercy, Baptiste and Sombra are orphans
D.Va mentions her dad in a voice line
How about Symmetra?
her parents were poor and she left them behind when she was recruited by Vishkar
After she was identified as one of the few capable of becoming a light-bending architech, young Satya Vaswani was plucked from extreme poverty and placed in the care of Vishkar's architech academy, never to return home.
When will I be plucked for greatness
there's probably a steep learning curve to becoming an architech - either you have it or you don't
Satya incorporated her culture's dance into her movements and I guess that helped?
Isolated and lonely in her new life, Satya immersed herself in her education and training. She quickly grasped the applications of the technology and was one of the top students in her class. Satya approached hard-light manipulation differently than her peers, with their more procedural, mechanical constructions, instead weaving her constructs in the motions of the traditional dance of her homeland.
They do
Yeah it’s what’s shields are made of so they do use it
You good
Am I? I don't think I could recover from this
Want me to plan your funeral?
Pitch me a funeral and I'll think about it
Mk
I believe they are the same in canon bc like Winston would basically be creating his own prison cell
they're semi-permiable
what does that mean
They can be passed through by people but not bullets
Maybe it's like, you have to be at a certain velocity to pass through
So fast moving bullets are nullified
like in Dune
Yeah like in that reference I don't know
so thats why moira orbs go through
Yeah cause they don’t go that fast
Cause if it’s velocity based lucio runs faster then Moira orbs
I think anyway
Oh ye maybe so
Yeah it's def just for balancing purposes but it's a cool theory
do lore shields do the thing where allies can shoot through them, but enemies cant?
cool
Who's the top three richest heroes :v
Doomfist, Ashe, . . . Torbjorn? idk who else would have money
I guess Roadhog/Junkrat if you count stolen money
I was also thinking:
DVA: with all her sponsorships
Sombra: she could be if she wanted to
Widow owns a castle right?
Maybe her
Maybe Sym because of Vishkar
Maybe lucio depending on how famous he is
Why torb?
Torb is easily the wealthiest non villain
!!!
why?
also I forgot about Lucio - he'd have lots of money from being an international celebrity
she's a former professional gamer
It's been confirmed she still livestreams the battles from her mechs
Thats like a little thing she does
She's still got a fanbase, clearly, she must have a lot of money
maybe
Yeah and she has so many sponsorships on her mech
that money might go to MEKA, not her
oi doc,
@peak escarp what things did blackwatch do? they didn't deal in asssassination, right?
they did
(because mccree is super fucking angry that they assassinated antonio). what're your thoughts?
he wasn't angry that they killed him
he was angry that Reyes went against the plan they made (McCree wanted to kill Antonio in the comic, but Reyes said no, we're going to interrogate him)
yo.
interesting. why was mccree so upset? for a guy who literally said he wanted to kill antonio and end up getting his wish, he was hella pissed.
"man i wish we can just like, idk, kill this guy."
"yeah. but we're finna interrogate him instead."
"ok."
"i killed him."
"DUDE. WHY."
because a) that wasn't the plan and Reyes always stuck to the plan, and b) it was a sloppy execution
damn those comics look sick
fair enough.
where do you find them
what, in full, did blackwatch do? and did blackwatch have operatives other than gabe, moira, jesse and genji?
tyy
i'd presume the black ops overwatch would have some troopers, right?
Blackwatch had other agents and staff, like Overwatch did
also re: McCree being angry about killing Antonio, he and Genji have some dialogue about it
These are I believe, all of the interactions from the Retribution event. I've also paired some of the ones which weren't in game to give you what I believe, are unused interactions. Hope you all enjoy.
interesting.
do every OW's comic exist in physical copy?
dead
is dead
What's the recruitment order of the heroes that joined talon?
well they cant leave
the first 12 comics were put into an anthology
a deluxe edition of that anthology will be coming out soon which will include the rest (up to Searching)
Didn't she help them in the cinematic
where can i find it
i WANT BUY
the physical copy i mean
no she kinda betrayed them
Overwatch: Anthology: BLIZZARD ENTERTAINMENT, Burns, Matt, Brooks, Roberts, Robinson, Andrew, Neilson, Micky: 9781506705408: Books - Amazon.ca
doc is sombra talon?
u forgot bap lmao
Sombra does work with Talon, yes
Doc!! Can you answer this one!
one at a time
Oh right I forgot since he left
it takes time to type
it's gotta be baptist, then widow, then sombra, then moira, then reaper. not sure where sigma and doomfist go, but doom is definitely towards the beginning.
reaper and moira could be interchangeable? we know he works as a merc. whether he was a merc for other people before talon or became a merc and immediately went for talon with an invite from someone (maybe moira?) idk
Doomfist has been in Talon the longest - he was the apprentice of the previous Doomfist before killing him and taking his place
we don't know exactly when Moira joined - it could have been before Retribution, it could have been after (8 years ago)
Widowmaker was kidnapped and turned into a sleeper agent some time between Retribution and Uprising (7 years ago)
Reaper joined Talon after he "died" in the Swiss HQ explosion (6 years ago)
we don't know how long Sombra has been working with Talon
I think sigma is last since in the cinematic you can hear all the weapons of the other members when he's being broken out
when was the lumerico exposure?
and we don't know when Baptiste joined Talon, but he left 4 years ago
Oh thank you
she should've joined after that, because she was working with los muertos prior.
Sigma is the most recent capture to join, since Reaper and Widowmaker can be heard in the breakout sequence of his origin trailer
Soo it's!
also @sinful cobalt re: what did Blackwatch do
In the final years of Overwatch's existence, a top secret division called "Blackwatch" was revealed. There were stories of assassination, coercion, kidnapping, torture, and worse. Governments called on the UN to shut down the "aggressive and repeated violations of many countries' sovereignty."
and baptiste, if we can locate a general age range for how old he was in the cinematics and compare it to how he is now, we can maybe see where to put him in who-joined-when
From left to right
Yeah idk when Bap would've joined
aight fuck it im buying the anthology
I don't think he was with Talon for long
as i know it, he joined in his early twenties? (no proof, complete theory. we just know he grew in a crappy place and joined early.)
Just an intern hehe
since he left as soon as he realized how bad they were, and that couldn't have taken long
I think Baptiste is Sombras only friend
ooh. imagine one of the blackwatch guys torturing you. shitty experience, every one of them.
Scary
she doesn't have many
i feel as if it's implied he joined at a young age in the origin story.
sombra likes to fuck with people, bwahaha. that's why i like her so much. she looks for reactions. she knows widowmaker has little patience for people but still fucks with her.
Jean-Baptiste Augustin was one of the 30 million children orphaned by the Omnic Crisis. With limited opportunities and resources, he enlisted in the military. The Caribbean Coalition, a pan-island force formed in response to the Crisis, became his new home. Guided by his innate desire to help people, Baptiste chose the path of a combat medic and served in an elite branch of the Caribbean Coalition’s special ops.
"ah, if it isn't my favorite spider. i wonder what webs you could be spinning now?"
"it'd be a shame if something happened to you on our next mission. a really pity."
aaaaah, so i'm getting my story mixed up, gotcha.
Best friends!!

and how sombra fucks with reaper, lmfao.
there's an interaction that goes something like "gabe. you wouldn't mind me calling you gabe, right?"
reaper: "(audible frustration) stick to the mission."
I believe Baptiste could have enlisted in the military as young as 16
Do they experiment on a lot of people or are there only a few
oh also in the origin story the talon operatives shown are wearing the red helmets, implying he joined around retribution-era talon.
i think so, it's just widowmaker is an extremely specialized sniper.
snipers are elite already, she's best among them.
that interaction also demonstrates how even as Reaper, he sticks to his plans and doesn't deviate
It's so weird to use widow in a game like overwatch where there are points that everyone needs to get close to to capture
why did reyes break away from plan again??
Maybe he just felt like it was the right thing to do because he was already on edge
impulsiveness/increased anger may have been a side effect
i feel as if the initial order to bring in the target alive was morrison's order. reyes chose a different path upon antonio making it apparent that what they were doing was doomed to fail. reyes improvised. out of character sure but if something's clearly not gonna work im sure he'd try something else.
Morrison left it up to him
Tracer and Soldier use pulse bullet guns. I read a theory that the reason they use this ammunition is because it doesn't leave bullet holes, in turn it can't damage civilians. I think that's cool
we know this?
pulse ammunitions yeah.
Gerard Lacroix
Oh
Widowmaker's husband
Was he part of overwatch
this was one of Talon's failed attempts at assassinating Gerard
yeah
Ohh
Gerard was Overwatch's head of anti-Talon operations
What's the goal of talon anyway
Doomfist's goal is to push humanity's progress through conflict
doomfist = warmonger of overwatch.
and since he leads Talon right now, it's their goal too
props to you if you know the reference.
Do you think we will reach technological advancements akin to Overwatch by the time we reach their year?
maybe.
i personally lean towards the idea of nuclear holocaust
also doc,
Oh that's not fun :U
a lot of the tech in Overwatch is in its very early stages now - AI, robotics, cybernetics, nanobiotics, sonic weapons
I think a main aspect the ow team had for their design was because so many fps were so gritty and dark
So it's kinda more hopeful
What's a sonic weapon
there's even groups working on black holes and hard light
Yeah what happened there?
Exciting
australia's government tried to make peace with omnics by giving them land,
displacing a lot of australians.
I just hope medical technology reaches that of Overwatch's
Sonic and ultrasonic weapons (USW) are weapons of various types that use sound to injure, incapacitate, or kill an opponent. Some sonic weapons are currently in limited use or in research and development by military and police forces. Some of these weapons have been described as sonic bullets, sonic grenades, sonic mines, or sonic cannons. Some ...
those australians rebelled, overthrew the government and blew up omniums,
used for crowd suppression, just like in Overwatch
Scary
the omniums fusion core exploded and radiated australia.
Oh no that's so sad. They could've been a great example of peace
But the relocation was unfair
I hope that the OW team explains what happened in all parts of the globe
the ultimate sonic weapon
I wanna know what happened to the Phillipines since my parents are from there
So fast
!!shitposting @worthy rose
@proper pagoda Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
We don't know, its never really been mentioned. The only thing I can think of was a fan map someone made last year. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1p-mTpETU8
It is not canon, and its not really near that.
There is an entire Taiwan between the Gwisin and the Phillippines.
the commando spray for reaper, what's that?
lol that's funny
What was soldier 76’s reasoning behind not responding to winston recalling overwatch?
He feels Winston is naive to think it'll work.
Thanks
No problemo.
That, and Jack has become an incredibly jaded individual post-Swiss Headquarters, on top of the years of stress being the leader of Overwatch post-Omnic Crisis, when he was an optimistic individual in his youth.
So anything that sounds optimistic makes him shake his head.
Huh?
He's making a drive-by shit post. Ignore him.
Oh, good grief. Just stop.
Anyway...
With regards to Overwatch 2, I wonder how some of the cast will react with Winston reactivating New Overwatch.
Pharah might have a second chance with joining the organization.
In addition to that, as we hear from Ana, even if he thought newverwatch was worth something, he feels it's not his place
she does join
we saw her with them in the behind the scenes panel at Blizzcon
She did? Huh, I must've missed out on that point. Thank you for clarifying.
Zarya, Bastion and Baptiste also join
maybe not permanently, but at least for a few missions
It makes sense that Baptiste will take up the offer, given it's mentioned he meets up with Mercy in his short story.
Bastion as well, as he's been chilling with Torb and the two seemly have gotten along more swimmingly.
seeing Zarya with them surprised me - I can't wait to see what leads up to that
bastion joins? I didn't know his lore fit in with other characters, that's really interesting
how exactly does he fit in? sorry if thats a bad question
Bastion was taken in by Torbjorn in the comic "Binary"
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oh I see, thanks mate
and presumably has been living with him and his family ever since
And in what we've seen in the storyboard animatics from this years BlizzCon event, we saw Reinhardt wanting to smash Bastion with his hammer (while Bastion is slowly backing himself into a wall), and before the two confront one-another, Torb breaks it up.
("ever since" being a few months, at most)
As far as the rest of the cast members, Wrecking Ball will most likely be doing his own thing and probably won't appear in the story mode. Same goes with Roadhog and Junkrat, as those two go by the beat of their own brainwaves.
the bastion lore is too adorable, thanks for the info guys
the devs talked about finding it hard to fit Hanzo into the story, so he might not appear either
Ashe and Sigma are unlikely too
Yeah, it would be kind of tough to fit in a character who has control over one of the fundamental forces of the universe.
At best, he will likely have a cameo if Talon have their own set of Campaign Missions.
possibly
well, "control" might be a bit of a stretch
Point being, is it would be tricky to have him in the story mode when Sigma is basically oblivious to the things that are happening around him.
that too
Along with, you know, being able to manipulate gravity.
I just feel bad for him, given the recent character interactions he had.
Sigma is tucked away in a lab somewhere, happily continuing his research
As for Symmetra, she can go either way, but my money is she will break away from her boss and company. Orisa will probably join New Overwatch, given her creator wants Orisa to be the best hero she can possibly be. I don't know about D.Va, but I think she might appear in the story missions?
the end of Hero of Numbani implied that Orisa will help out Overwatch
I'm excited for the next novel
I never got around to Hero of Numbani, I'll probably pick this one up though.
if you're not a fan of Orisa, it's safe to skip, but it was a good story and really gave some depth to the characters
not just Orisa, but Doomfist and a little for Lucio too
I'll probably read it one day.
It's just that I don't read much in general.
And while I like Orisa, I'm not invested enough in her to read a whole novel about her, at least not right now.
that's fair
sigma will be the final boss of overwatch
i hope
i really do
I think its gonna be Null Sector or maybe Doomfist
What abt that omnic from the archives mission
leader of null sector
null sector has a leader???
As a self proclaimed lore master, I personally believe that we could expect to see either jack morrison or Gabriel Reyes die within the overwatch universe going into the future. Thoughts?
@everyone
ANSWER ME
I NEED YOUR OPINIONS ON THIS MATTER
I disagree
@peak escarp elaborate
it wouldn't suit the optimistic feel of the game to kill off a character
Y would they be killed
also it's pretentious to call yourself a "lore master"
didn't they both already fake their own deaths anyways? would make no sense for them to actually die
Such a uneducated point of view
i agree completely
so biased towards their favourite characters/heroes
it’s a shame what the fambase has come to
?????
Ikr @everyone I want to hear your opinions
I mean you already got two opinions and then insulted them lol
Overwatch has an optimistic tone - killing off a heroic character would go against that
In the sense of story progression someone has got to die eventually
@worthy rose no one asked for your opinion
no one has to die
you attempted to @ everyone asking for their opinion
there's no rule that says main characters need to die for the story to progress
You did though...
"Ikr @everyone I want to hear your opinions"
Theirs no rule that they don’t FOOL
@steep plover @silver oriole Stop trying to @ everyone.
@everyone
I was copy-pasting.
I also know it doesn't work, so I wasn't worried about it.
Moving swiftly onwards.

I think there is a major hole in the overwatch storyline regarding the dragons cinematic and how genji disappears into a feather. This needs resolving!
Its not a hole. Its a smoke bomb.
it's a ninja trick
no i think the story/plot would mainly benefit from a hero dying maybe not a fan favourite but a hero nevertheless
They can kill off a character. But not a hero. Espceially not this early.
isn't brig going to be removed?
No
oh, my bad
No heroes are going to be removed.
Especially not Brig, who is a main character in the OW2 story
exactly, if they kill anyone going forward it will likely be a side character as it has been so far
how much longer do you think ow will last i personally think the games on its last legs
I thought I saw something saying she wouldn't be in overwatch 2 but I'm glad she is
better late than never as they say
If you think Overwatch is on its last legs, you have never seen a game or franchise that was actually on its last legs
the game is fine.
Ive stuck with series worse off than Overwatch and still lasted 10 years longer than they should have
Overwatch is fine
@pseudo abyss YOU DIDGUST ME, I HATE YOU
not blizzard as a franchise but it’s a dying game come on
Moving swiftly onwards.
that is unrelated to lore
That wasn't targetted to you.
Ow is not dying
Again. I've seen actually dying games. Overwatch is not one.
it is tho isn’t it
I've played actually dying games
i asked
Unreal Tournament 4 for example, just before Overwatch released, had 20 concurrent players on a good day.
your probs all bronze anyway
20, total, across the whole world.
a game isn't dying just because you no longer enjoy it
That's a dying or dead game
!!shitposting
Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
Final warning.
say less b
I generally think a character needs to die, possibly soldier 76?
Why
why do you think someone needs to die?
No one needs to.
It just needs to happen in order to keep the lore fresh as a daisy
Not really.
If anything, that restricts development.
Since death isn't as reversable in Overwatch as it is in most games
to possibly increase motivation for heroes fighting newer and stronger threats and enemys
There are more stakes than killing the heroes.
There are other characters, NPCs, nations, races, etc.
What about shield tanks?
I have a legit question.
If you're just trying to get a hero removed from the game, that won't happen even if they died.
How come Genji suddenly decides it's a good time to wear clothes? I see it as strange
Its supposed to represent that he acknowledges his cybernetics as his body now
Whereas before, he just saw it as armor
He is now at peace with who he is, and his body
Aah, ok. Thanks
I heard there’s only 3 maps in the next overwatch?
no need to feel bad, it was just a mistake.
From what we know so far
There will be at least 36 maps across all gamemodes in Overwatch 2.
Which is excluding variations of the same map
And also excluding Lucioball.
There are currently 29 maps in the game. They already announced 7 more new maps.
well i didnt get too why people say ow is dead
And there are more on the way
Does anyone here play over watch 1?
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Nah I’m not
I feel like a new game would bring a new lease of life to the overwatch law
Ye I heard that they had an affair or something?
So what I heard was lucio went out with babtiste, which is symmetras ex
dont shitpost in here
this is for serious lore posts only
A shitpost is a post that is shit. It does not contribute to serious discussion strictly related to the lore of Overwatch.
I’m being serious?
that's just random speculation with 0 basis in any current lore
!!wiki
For more information about the game, please refer to the wiki: https://overwatch.gamepedia.com/
Use the wiki before saying random things.
your friend was likely just joking around then
Nah he’s got a PhD
Moving swiftly onwards.
So far, all the short stories have been focusing on supports (ex-support in Symmetra's case), so either Moira or Lucio
Between the two, Moira has been covered extensively since launch, so I wouldn't mind if Lucio is the focus up next.
With that said, I wouldn't mind if it's Moira.
I'm hoping for Moira because she doesn't really have a lot of lore
Well, she's in stuff, but she doesn't have a comic or any media
Outside of her origins cinematic and the material that was covered in Retribution, of course.
The lore has all been building up towards Overwatch 2 recently
So it would most likely be for someone who will be significantly important
I would say Pharah is the most likely, as she will be on the Overwatch team in OW2 relatively early compared to others like McCree and Sojourn, and Blizz has teased multiple times that we will get another enemy faction.
Which in this case, would likely be Helix.
A Pharah short sets up both



out of them