atleast i think so
#lore-discussion
cerulean ice
jaunty crown
i mean yeah but im curious
jaunty crown
makes sense
worthy rose
Damn he got rich quick
jaunty crown
he owns a casino i think
worthy rose
Most become billionaires at like 60 I think
peak escarp
and he's got Talon influence
wet needle
What do u guys think about the new rothdog skin?
worn island
Cool skin, heavily doubt it has anything whatsoever to do with lore tho
cerulean ice
he does like pachimaris though
jaunty crown
yeah
he has a pachimari vending machine thingy in his lair (the attack spawn in junkertown for the first checkpoint)
it makes sense that the devs would give him that skin
kind yoke
where is Reaper's origin story can anyone tell please
opaque tundra
it doesnt exist
only a few heroes has origin story videos
but the overwatch website has all the hero backstories under "heroes"
worn island
he does like pachimaris though
oh wait i was thinking about the Midas one, yeah the new one is relevant
valid wave
what the dog doin
pastel dust
I've always had trouble figuring out what Lucio's full backstory is, and I found him on the official Overwatch website and I found his backstory. I'm gonna copy/paste it here, so you all can see it too.
Lúcio is an international celebrity who inspires social change through his music and actions.
Lúcio Correia dos Santos grew up in Rio de Janeiro, in a poor and crowded favela that was hit hard by the financial upheaval following the Omnic Crisis. As Brazil began the long process of recovery, he wanted to find a way to lift the spirits of those around him. He found his answer in music and its power to bring people together and even help them forget their troubles, if only for a short time. He performed on street corners, in block parties, and as he got older, at a string of legendary underground shows.
But Lúcio's close-knit community was thrown into chaos when the multinational Vishkar Corporation secured a contract to redevelop large tracts of the city. Lúcio and his neighbors had been told that the development would improve their lives. However, that promise never became a reality. Vishkar imposed controls on the residents in the name of building a more orderly society: enforcing curfews, cracking down on what the company perceived as lawless behavior, and exploiting the populace as a cheap labor force.
Lúcio wouldn't stand for it. He stole Vishkar sonic technology that had been used to suppress the people, and he converted it into a tool to rally them to action. In a popular uprising, they drove Vishkar out of their neighborhoods. Lúcio's leadership made him a star overnight and a symbol for positive social change. His music skyrocketed in popularity. Whereas he had once performed locally, he was now filling arenas across the world.
With his newfound fame, Lúcio realizes that he has an opportunity to make a difference and change the world for the better.
pastel dust
Well I don’t have any questions anymore, but I just wanted to share the lore for people who wanted to see it and couldn’t find it
limpid agate
!!loreheroes lucio
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limpid agate
You don't need to copy paste it
copper plaza
!!loreheroes Sombra
peak escarp
!!loreheroes Sombra
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To learn more, please visit https://playoverwatch.com/en-us/heroes/Sombra#story
peak escarp
!!loreheroes Reaper
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valid terrace
I believe you need the role unfortunately
wet portal
Sigma is a literal god isn't he
peak escarp
no
cerulean ice
if you actually mean literal as in literal then no
drowsy zephyr
the man can manipulate gravity tho which is pretty powerful imo
i want more sigma lore
worthy rose
A God is a title not a power thing
Someone like Reaper or Sigma is as powerful as one but their not a God
worthy rose
Well I guess not Sigma now that I think about it
He only has like minor gravity powers and can lift like a few tons at max
jaunty crown
now that i think of it, echo might be the most powerful
dense kestrel
her bombs are powerful but she doesnt have the purefirepower of bastion orisa or pharah
cerulean ice
now that i think of it, echo might be the most powerful
her duplication isnt as powerful as you think it is
worthy rose
Echo is not the most powerful.Its either Reaper or Winston
cerulean ice
why are people forgetting sigma's ability
iron plume
Because we don't actually know how extensive his abilities are
cerulean ice
so does everyone else so why forget his existence
we can get a general idea from his abilities
iron plume
From his abilities, he's less powerful than Zarya
People aren't "forgetting", they've not been properly shown
cerulean ice
i dont see on what aspect hes less powerful than zarya
i just dont understand how no one acknowledges his gravity powers
and by abilities i also mean ingame*
iron plume
So do I
iron plume
i just dont understand how no one acknowledges his gravity powers
Sigma's gravity powers were the main topic of discussion literally every time the "who's the strongest" argument was raised
The hell you mean 'no one acknowledges it'
cerulean ice
acknowledge as the strongest
its common sense in my thinking but maybe im just too into sigma
iron plume
Disagreeing is not the same as not acknowledging or "forgetting" about them
limpid agate
Sigma is not the strongest
worthy rose
Hes pretty low tier really.Anyone with a gun and good aim one shots him
worthy rose
Maybe but he's sure as hell not beating Genji,Reaper,or Winston
cerulean ice
idk how you thought of that but ok
worthy rose
Genji cuts Sigma before he does anything
cerulean ice
or the other way around..
worthy rose
Genji is fast enough to deflect arrows and bullets.He probably would strike first since he's faster
And Reaper just shoots him
limpid agate
Genji is not fast enough to deflect bullets.
Where is your source on that.
Also, there is an argument to make for Reaper
Yours isnt it
Yours is probably the worst argument you could be making
worthy rose
this chat seems very heated 😳
lemme walk away from here
Yeah they seem a little hostile towards me.Im leaving too
limpid agate
You are welcome to discuss so long as you have something worth saying. If you're just gonna make baseless statements based on nothing, then you're going to get told off.
cerulean ice
i wasnt trying to be hostile but sure
muted quarry
Genji can deflect a bastion sentry mode. Of course he's fast enough to deflect all bullets.
cerulean ice
im not sure if youre being sarcastic but gameplay isnt relevant to lore
gentle thicket
he still can tho
sigma and genji
sigma vs genji
genji probably wins
but not without a fight
reaper and sigma
obv reaper wins
by a lot
limpid agate
Genji can deflect a bastion sentry mode. Of course he's fast enough to deflect a...
Source
We have never seen this
peak escarp
gameplay isn't canon
Genji hasn't deflected a Bastion in the shorts
the only things we've seen him deflect are Hanzo's arrows and the titan omnic's projectiles
worldly fiber
Genji can deflect a titan omnics projectiles, he's OP
gentle thicket
did u know that wrecking ball is actually a hamster inside
and hes controlling the ball
😱
peak escarp
"strongest" arguments are dumb because there's too many different kinds of strength - you have to be more specific than just "strongest"
limpid agate
!!shitposting @gentle thicket
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gentle thicket
what does that mean?
peak escarp
it means this isnt the place for jokes or random gifs
covert echo
Is the second omnic crisis just null sector, or is it other bad omnics too?
peak escarp
there's also the omnics in Siberia
cerulean ice
and gwishin
peak escarp
the gwishin have been a recurring problem since the first crisis
cerulean ice
and onwards with the second crisis
seeing as dva is with the overwatch on one of the whiteboards
wary crow
Are there any places that have been safe from omnics or was the omnic crisis completely worldwide
Or like any places unharmed by the omnic crisis?
slender flicker
Probably but not as severely as other countries.
cerulean ice
right, since i dont recall genji and hanzo saying anything regarding omnics or the omnic crisis
or anything of japan's state after the crisis
peak escarp
Japan seems to be pro-omnic currently
at least, when Zarya is rude to omnics there in Searching, locals are less willing to help her
hollow mirage
Jewvia stop scaring them away
cerulean ice
what
fathom tartan
Genji deflected the thing in zero dawn or zero hour whatever it's called and I consider that a bullet
cerulean ice
it was a fast projectile but not as fast as how bastion fires his bullets
cerulean ice
Don’t argue with him might get u banned bro
then avoid saying anything unnecessary, or even worse, shitpost
!!loreonly
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peak escarp
Genji deflected the thing in zero dawn or zero hour whatever it's called and I c...
I wouldn't call that a bullet
fathom tartan
Well bastion is like the only charter in game to fire proper bullet
peak escarp
it was more like a cannonball
fathom tartan
Those are like lazer bullets
fathom tartan
Bastion just fires good old fashioned metal bullets
hollow mirage
Technically soldiers is nota bullet
peak escarp
but we don't know if Genji can actually deflect Bastion's bullets
hollow mirage
It’s a pulse rifle or whatever
peak escarp
since we've never seen him do it in the lore
fathom tartan
Hmm
cerulean ice
yes technically but mccree's is a "proper bullet" in your case
hollow mirage
Yes and widow and Ashe
fathom tartan
I feel like genji has canonically deflected something bullet like
cerulean ice
hanzo's arrow and that omnic thing on france
those were the only instances where we see him use it
as far as i can recall
cerulean ice
i wasnt referring to what you said
fathom tartan
Wym
We know he definitely can deflect one
But if it hits his blade
Can we also talk about how durable that blade must be
cerulean ice
fathom tartan
It deflected huge cannon fire from massive omnic
Can it even break
And also considering genji is an omnic plus trained super well I'm betting he could deflect a bullet
He would have better tracking
And speed
cerulean ice
genji isnt an omnic
fathom tartan
fathom tartan
Well omnic rasicts are rasict to him so 
cerulean ice
that doesnt rlly prove it
peak escarp
that's because Zarya doesn't know the difference between an omnic and a cyborg
fathom tartan
But the point is he'd be faster and his enhanced tracking from training should let him deflect bullets
cerulean ice
theres no proof on that
fathom tartan
You can implie he can
cerulean ice
theres no point
fathom tartan
Wait
Wait a minute
Where is the comic thing where he trains with tracer dosent he deflect bullets then
fathom tartan
No he doesn't deflect them he gets hit by them actually
cerulean ice
gets hit by it and nothing else
cerulean ice
hana song
peak escarp
that is very much a lore question
hallow rock
Yes. For scientific research
jaunty crown
anyone have any idea what game dva played to win all the trophies in the busan spawn room
trim haven
wasnt it star craft 2?
jaunty crown
might just be some arcade game
jaunty crown
but I dont think it's the game that dva went pro in
probably
peak escarp
her main game was Mecha Guardian V
16-Bit Hero is the arcade in Hanamura (attacker's 1st spawn room)
jaunty crown
thanks
peak escarp
limpid agate
!!shitposting @meager compass
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jaunty crown
dunno if this is related to the lore, but what genre of music does lucio play
wary crow
I think its hip hop or techno, ngl i dont rlly no its just my best guess
terse oar
pastel dust
I see how he became a world class DJ. That stuff slaps
jaunty crown
true masterpiece
lyric sluice
how does tracer get into the air with her blinks like lore wise not in game
i thought she just speeds up her own time so basically shes doing it normal time but to everyone else it seems fast?
so how would she get into the air? like in the zero hour cinematic when winston throught the meibomb thingy and tracer got to it in the air
aaaannnddddd she fell throught the hole, but when she recalled she went through the wall, not back throught the hole she fell through?
valid terrace
Gravity is a downward force over time
She can slow down her own time therefore she can lower the effects of gravity on herself
Although that shouldn't be something you can turn on or off
She probably has to control it
Might be why she doesn't blink very long distances
valid terrace
Well he also changes how gravity affects things
So it's hard to say without seeing more of him in canon
raven sequoia
What's stigmas backstory again?
valid terrace
!!loreheroes sigma
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urban sedge
What's stigmas backstory again?
The best 🙃
worthy rose
!!loreguide
peak escarp
!!loreguide
twilit nacelleBOT
This is a guide for people who don't know where to begin with the lore of Overwatch. The first thing is probably to go watch the shorts. They're popular, easy to consume, and pack a lot of story and character.
Shorts Playlist: https://bit.ly/2UQyTeL
There are many comics, short stories, and blog posts as well. The most important ones are:
Binary: https://bit.ly/2IzNvJy
Masquerade: https://bit.ly/2IzNTI0
What You Left Behind: https://bit.ly/2Fh7MRz
There is also an important chain of events following Ana and Soldier 76 (and Mercy at the end):
Legacy: https://bit.ly/2DgM1jQ
Old Soldiers: https://bit.ly/2KLILTV
Bastet: https://bit.ly/2QuXHmM
Valkyrie: https://bit.ly/2CF5JVE
The rest of the stories are mostly optional. Special mention goes out to the Junkers, who have an entertaining string of stories:
Wasted Land: https://bit.ly/2DeKB9G
A Moment in Crime: http://bit.ly/2fMsVYB
Going Legit: https://bit.ly/2InZUkm
The Plan: http://bit.ly/2uZiitC
worthy rose
ty
peak escarp
you're welcome
torpid marten
anyone else ship pharah and cree?
worthy rose
No
torpid marten
why not?
worthy rose
I don't really ship anyone unless its Genji and Mercy
torpid marten
I don't really ship anyone unless its Genji and Mercy
😂 😂 😂 😂
i liked the first one better
worthy rose
Nah that would be discusting lol
torpid marten
they're practically siblings
didnt know that
peak escarp
Pharah: Good, I'm much better with the real thing.```i thought he was older
torpid marten
so he is like an older brother to her
sly snow
Who’s the dude on the left?
peak escarp
we don't know yet
he hasn't been mentioned
some people think he's one of the people seen at the Talon council table in Masquerade
peak escarp
we might learn who he is, we might not
but we didn't know who the woman on the right was until 2 years ago, so . . .
limpid agate
For context, that image is almost 5 years old
For us I mean
In universe its a 20 year old photo, but that's irrelevant to the topic
tender spruce
Is there actually a storyline for Overwatch
cerulean ice
!!loreguide
twilit nacelleBOT
This is a guide for people who don't know where to begin with the lore of Overwatch. The first thing is probably to go watch the shorts. They're popular, easy to consume, and pack a lot of story and character.
Shorts Playlist: https://bit.ly/2UQyTeL
There are many comics, short stories, and blog posts as well. The most important ones are:
Binary: https://bit.ly/2IzNvJy
Masquerade: https://bit.ly/2IzNTI0
What You Left Behind: https://bit.ly/2Fh7MRz
There is also an important chain of events following Ana and Soldier 76 (and Mercy at the end):
Legacy: https://bit.ly/2DgM1jQ
Old Soldiers: https://bit.ly/2KLILTV
Bastet: https://bit.ly/2QuXHmM
Valkyrie: https://bit.ly/2CF5JVE
The rest of the stories are mostly optional. Special mention goes out to the Junkers, who have an entertaining string of stories:
Wasted Land: https://bit.ly/2DeKB9G
A Moment in Crime: http://bit.ly/2fMsVYB
Going Legit: https://bit.ly/2InZUkm
The Plan: http://bit.ly/2uZiitC
cerulean ice
or this,
void gazelle
Thirty years ago, the Omnics declared war. The nations of the world had no answer, until they called upon a small group of heroes. Overwatch was created to rescue humanity from the Omnic Crisis. We became the greatest champions of peace and progress mankind has ever seen! You were chosen because you had powers and abilities that made you— You joined because you... You already know this... Look, the people decided they were better off without us. They even called us criminals! They tore our family apart. But look around! Someone has to do something! We have to do something! We can make a difference again. The world needs us now, more than ever! Are you with me?
devout mauve
Yep
valid kelp
No
peak escarp
they think he's dead
peak escarp
he didn't
teal meadow
You think winston knew who reaper was?
If soldier managed to understand it by his voice, winston might have figured out too
peak escarp
Winston didn't know Reyes that closely
ancient rune
peak escarp
Reyes mostly worked with Blackwatch and the OW leaders
I doubt they interacted much
Winston was just a scientist for most of his time in Overwatch
icy ether
How did soldier get the recall message then
Ana. Though she may be "Dead" they obviously can tell shes in Egypt doing her thing lol.
cosmic crest
Who is "they" in this context?
Winston?
He thinks Ana is dead like everyone else.
The only people who know she's alive are Soldier, Pharah and Reaper (Although if Reaper knows, perhaps the rest of Talon knows too.)
iron plume
Neither Soldier nor Ana got the recall
They know it happened because in universe the fact that it's happened is public information
It was reported in the news, presumably after someone leaked it
icy ether
Well Mercy knows reaper and soldier are alive cause didn't she rez them in the lore?
iron plume
no
this is mercy's "rez" in lore
she has nothing to do with the fact that Reaper or Soldier are alive
Soldier never died in the explosion, just was badly hurt and presumed dead
Reaper either never died as well, or was "revived" by whatever Moira did to him
Mercy only knows the trio are alive because Ana and Soldier showed up to her
and told about Reaper
iron plume
The only people who know she's alive are Soldier, Pharah and Reaper (Although if...
- mercy because of end of Bastet/beginning of Valkyrie, and rest of Talon definitely does, reaper talks to Doom about it in Masquerade
iron plume
well, Talon leadership anyway
plus Sombra because she knows everything
void gazelle
Sombra is basically a waking database, right?
limpid agate
Like any humans being, she does sleep. I wouldn't call her a database though.
cosmic crest
I don't think anyone inferred that she dosen't sleep.
limpid agate
They asked if she was a waking database.
Waking implies that you sleep before waking.
iron plume
they meant walking
limpid agate
Well, I answered that too didn't I
urban grove
Too smart
worthy rose
Just drop in like that
peak escarp
they all have doctorates (except Winston)
fathom tartan
Well Winston solved the mind hurting paradoxical issue of time
As well as making an escape from lunar colony
peak escarp
he's also genetically engineered to be super intelligent
fathom tartan
Yeah
All the great minds of ow are amazing at what they do but I think Winston is the greatest
He is very good at lots of different things
peak escarp
a little too good
peak escarp
wanting to have a family isn't a weakness
fathom tartan
But sadly not all of ow will ever be back
He also has anger issues
And diet issues
fathom tartan
Well if his glasses break he gets mad
He's deep emotional tie may also lead to him getting caught up if he learns reaper is Reyes
peak escarp
in Recall he rages when one of the Talon grunts slips on a banana peel, creating an opening
fathom tartan
He also rages after seeing freinds hurt
And not any sooner
And getting his glasses stomped on
fathom tartan
He very emotional gorilla
But winston has flaws
I feel like if we ever see him a hammond reunited maybe some will come through more
He hasn't really had a good foil to show his flaws
peak escarp
not showing them is the same as not having any
peak escarp
those are pretty minor
blazing atlas
I wouldn’t call having trouble controlling your emotions a minor issue
peak escarp
he doesn't have trouble controlling his emotions
his emotional responses are appropriate
he's in control when he rages
unlike the other apes from Horizon, who all went berserk
blazing atlas
True
I guess the diet argument stands more because he does have an addiction to peanut butter
worn solar
Friendly reminder that, though most modern day ninjas studied the blade while others partied, genji was so hedonistic yet so good at his ninja training that he managed to party AND study the blade
worn solar
Iirc the lore says he excelled at his ninja training but failed to develop the leadership skills required of him as the clan’s next leader
peak escarp
he didn't want to have any part of his clan's leadership
and that's why Hanzo was forced to almost kill him
limpid agate
And Hanzo also nearly killed him because he was the better swordsman
iron plume
While Genji partied, Hanzo studied the blade
While Genji studied the blade, Hanzo also studied the blade
covert echo
I remember Gaku Space saying that his headcannon was that Hanzo gave up using a sword out of guilt after "killing" Genji. Is that confirmed?
limpid agate
More or less.
Its HotS that tells us that, it is never stated in OW canon.
Samuro: A true warrior must always be ready for battle. Are you?
Hanzo: I swore never to wield a sword again. My skill with a bow is more than enough.
wet valve
is there any ships that are confirmed in the lore just wondering?
wet valve
man i was wishing for mchanzo lol
peak escarp
this isn't the place for ships anyway
coral geyser
I’ve been curious lately if widowmaker will ever over come her brainwashing. Or if sigma will realize he’s being used by talon
pastel dust
That would be cool if that happened during OW2
pastel dust
yeah, there isn't too much about him, and he seems like a really interesting character
worn ruin
a lot of ow characters are a bit one-dimensional, i hope ow2 can give us some more about them ><
pastel dust
Oh! Recently I discovered something really interesting. When you Ult as Sigma, during the duration you can actually hear a really faint melody
blissful dock
yeah i see what you mean, imo some of the talon heroes have a deeper backstory
blissful dock
Oh! Recently I discovered something really interesting. When you Ult as Sigma, d...
oh wow i didn't know
pastel dust
Yeah you really gotta turn up the volume to hear it
I reccomend you try it in the shooting range
blissful dock
i did notice the kind of shadowy distortions around his hand when he makes the enemies fall
pastel dust
Oooo I didn't know the shadows get distorted, interesting
pastel dust
Cool
lot of subtle details in Overwatch that really make me apprectiate their dedication
blissful dock
yeah
peak escarp
I’ve been curious lately if widowmaker will ever over come her brainwashing. Or ...
Widowmaker isnt brainwashed
she's conditioned
trim sluice
you can also hear whispering and laughing when you use accretion or kinetic grasp
it's awesome
pastel dust
I didn't know that, that's awesome
peak escarp
literally a hostile takeover
coral geyser
@peak escarp conditioning?
peak escarp
she's been conditioned to only feel pleasure/positive emotions when killing
there's a good example of it in A Clockwork Orange (although I don't recommend watching that movie if you're underage)
a character is psychologically conditioned to be repulsed by violence
(through the use of torture)
worn island
What actually is brainwashing if not that?
peak escarp
brainwashing is changing what you believe
conditioning is changing how you feel
idk, Jewvia explains it better
worn island
sounds about right
willow lodge
Little fun fact I found cool/cute is that Wrecking Ball fighting in the scrapyard was the inspiration for Junkrat to make his rip-tire
wet valve
"man look at that hamster its the coolest thing i haver ever saw rolls around is fast and deadly kinda like a bomb on wheels ...... HEY ROADHOG I HAVE THE BEST IDEA"
rain star
Oh! Recently I discovered something really interesting. When you Ult as Sigma, d...
laughter also
wet valve
It would be funny if in ow2 junkrat meets hammond talks about always being a big fan of his mech then seeing a hamster pop out of the top
pastel dust
It would be funny if in ow2 junkrat meets hammond talks about always being a big...
And you know Junkrat's gonna be all for a hamster in a death ball
blissful lichen
man i was wishing for mchanzo lol
Was curious why's this ship so big deal and decided to google and this' what it gave me: "Both come from Crime/Gang backgrounds. Both have done things they've regretted, both are on a path for redemption. One for Justice the other Honor.
They both enjoy drinking, they both are anachronistic in design, and both have a high opinion of their own skill that comes down to being a good shot.
There's also this whole East meets West thing that just works thematically."
But just cause two charas have they same kinda background, doesn't mean they'd be a "good ship". McCree an Hanzo have literally shown zero care bout each other in the ingame voice lines, unlike charas like Lucio and D.Va. Just feelik like if mchanzo was a thing, id be so goddamn forced.
limpid agate
@blissful lichen Yeah that's not why
That's some justification people are trying to make years after it was already popular
The reason why it was popular is because almost a year after the game was announced, the only characters who were:
- Male
- Not elderly
- Human
Were Hanzo and McCree
So if anyone wanted to make BL art
They had only one choice
McCree/Hanzo got popular by default
There is 0 lore basis for it
hushed jetty
Most popular ships have little lore basis for it. People take their headcanons and go, which is fine, but very few if any of these ships are ever gonna become canon
blissful lichen
Yeah, that was my idea aswell. It'd be some reachin doe!
limpid agate
It also will not be a thing
The two never met
Most ships will never be a thing
The only one with a real chance right now is Genji/Mercy.
split pewter
The only one with a real chance right now is Genji/Mercy.
Welcome to the hell that is Zen Genji
split pewter
And it’s not a ship. Its hell.
Wasn’t there some lore some time ago about mercy and hog being married?
cerulean ice
as it says in the channel description
split pewter
I just didn’t know if it was true c:
cerulean ice
worthy rose
I would marry hog
silent mantle
Wait so is Widowmaker technically part of Overwatch because in the one cinematic they had everyone in the same place? Or is she still part of Talon?
opaque tundra
Widowmaker is Talon
hushed jetty
Widowmaker was never in a cinematic with Overwatch?
She was only in umm the one with the museum and Infiltration
If you're talking about Zero Hour, she wasn't there
iron plume
Wait so is Widowmaker technically part of Overwatch because in the one cinematic...
That cinematic was a trailer for the game showing off everyone on then-existing roster, that shot isn't canon
silent mantle
Ah
iron plume
So no, Widowmaker was never part of Overwatch the organization, old or new. She's with Talon in the present
silent mantle
That makes more sense
pastel dust
What was Talon again? I know Blackwatch is the no rules Overwatch but I have no clue what Talon was
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night quail
I ship Ana and Pharah
ancient pilot
cosmic crest
It's a shitpost
pastel dust
Talon is a terrorist organization led by Doomfist
Got it. That makes sense.
pure plover
I want zen lore ;-;
peak escarp
have you read Stone By Stone?
wet valve
I want zen lore ;-;
i feel your pain i want sig lore
his charcter is still so confusing the little lore we know about him makes him seem crazy and unstable while ingame he is space grandpa
i want to know more about him does he know he is being used or is he to crazy to realize and if he knows does he want to escape
or fight on the good side
like at least we know zens true personality and motives by a bit we don't even really know sigmas
other then hes a little cooky
peak escarp
the lack of Sigma lore is understandable
he has only existed as a character since mid 2019, whereas other characters were developed long before they got added to the game
worthy rose
That two years though.Thats pretty long
peak escarp
it seems like a lot, but when we only get a handful of lore bits each year, it's not really much
worthy rose
I guess.Still wish there were more Sigma though.Hes a cool character
wet valve
i know i just i dont know ive been liking sigma alot recently but him being imo the charcter in game we know the least about bugs me
worthy rose
Bugs me too.I want to know more about his story and see how powerful his gravity powers are
wet valve
i want to see witch side is he truly on does he know hes on the bad side does he like being on it does he want to leave is he to crazy to notice is he even maybe to crazy to bring him back
and get him to wake up and relize
worthy rose
He doesn't know hes being controlled by them
peak escarp
he's mostly kept in a lab and allowed to continue his research
latent night
Anyone have some YouTube vids or something to learn lore that aren’t hours long
It’s interesting to me but not that interesting xD
cosmic crest
Could just read the wiki.
peak escarp
latent night
Okay I’ll check the wiki and this
peak escarp
this one is pretty good
there's some small inaccuracies, but on the whole it gets things right
latent night
All I know is robots fight and like some stuff about some characters like reaper and tracer and soldier and a bunch of others but idk the newer heros like last 3 years of heros
bold shale
Widowmaker was never in a cinematic with Overwatch?
she was in the reveal and she was in the one with tracer in London where she shoots and kills Mondatta
peak escarp
she was in the short, but she was with Talon, not with Overwatch
ebon marsh
https://youtu.be/RD8lxxqZXWQ
what are the inacuracies?
clear badge
Any one find it strange that places like junkertown got destroyed but cities like sydney didnt
iron plume
Junkertown had a massive Omnium that the anti-omnic human groups blew up
Sydney didn't
blissful dock
yeah basically, i think you can even see some remnants of the omnium
wet portal
What is the omnium
peak escarp
the omnic factory
Junkertown is built inside the shell of the old omnium that the ALF blew up
wet portal
Thanks
cosmic arch
I just finished watching the complete lore and history of overwatch, and I feel like I missed an animated short. When did overwatch and Lucio have to fight null sector in Rio?
Also, I didn't know that it was a battle between Overwatch and Blackwatch that destroyed Overwatch. I find it hard to imagine gengi and mcree fighting overwatch like that, although I can definitely see reaper and moira doing it
iron plume
I just finished watching the complete lore and history of overwatch, and I feel ...
In the OW2 mission presented at last year’s Blizzcon
iron plume
Also, I didn't know that it was a battle between Overwatch and Blackwatch that d...
It wasn’t. The final event in old Overwatch history was the HQ explosion that people thought killed Reyes and Morrison. They presumably were fighting
But by then Overwatch was already doomed to be disbanded, and Blackwatch was dismissed before even then
Moira was ousted after Venice, Genji joined the “normal” Overwatch strike team and McCree left to go his own way
That would be one of the inaccuracies
cosmic arch
Ok, thnx
worthy rose
where to get info on the lore? :?
iron plume
!!loreguide
twilit nacelleBOT
This is a guide for people who don't know where to begin with the lore of Overwatch. The first thing is probably to go watch the shorts. They're popular, easy to consume, and pack a lot of story and character.
Shorts Playlist: https://bit.ly/2UQyTeL
There are many comics, short stories, and blog posts as well. The most important ones are:
Binary: https://bit.ly/2IzNvJy
Masquerade: https://bit.ly/2IzNTI0
What You Left Behind: https://bit.ly/2Fh7MRz
There is also an important chain of events following Ana and Soldier 76 (and Mercy at the end):
Legacy: https://bit.ly/2DgM1jQ
Old Soldiers: https://bit.ly/2KLILTV
Bastet: https://bit.ly/2QuXHmM
Valkyrie: https://bit.ly/2CF5JVE
The rest of the stories are mostly optional. Special mention goes out to the Junkers, who have an entertaining string of stories:
Wasted Land: https://bit.ly/2DeKB9G
A Moment in Crime: http://bit.ly/2fMsVYB
Going Legit: https://bit.ly/2InZUkm
The Plan: http://bit.ly/2uZiitC
iron plume
start here
minor vessel
also don’t forget Symettras story, Stone By Stone
hexed helm
zen lore is great
orchid swan
i wanna see if hanzo will join overwatch
cerulean ice
i wanna see if hanzo will join overwatch
most likely not
cerulean ice
dude prefers to grieve forever alone over what he has done on his brother
silver oriole
I'm reading the short stories, because the only one I've read is Stone By Stone.
Good stuff in here.
pastel dust
Hanzo is one edgy guy, at least his brother became a cool ninja
young knoll
You guys are probably going to get warnings for this if you keep going
silver oriole
Good point
Anyways, does anyone know when it was Dr. Ziegler joined Overwatch?
I can't tell if it was after or during the Omnic Crisis.
I think it's after, but I'm not sure.
peak escarp
Anyways, does anyone know when it was Dr. Ziegler joined Overwatch?
I can't tell...
it was about 10-15 years ago
she joined 10 years after the crisis ended, which was about 25 years ago
so around 15 years before present day
she was around 22 years old - young for a doctor, but she's a prodigy
silver oriole
Alright, thanks!
reef patio
Would it really make much of a difference if soldier was made bi?
valid terrace
No
reef patio
I know it's a weird question,but I'm working on something
valid terrace
It wouldn't if he was straight too
The relationship was only there to show that he can't commit to one because he takes work too seriously
Whether it was with a guy a girl or whatever else wouldn't change anything
reef patio
that's a good point
native venture
I want zen lore ;-;
i doubt there’s gonna be much more to tell tbh
blissful elm
I want more sigma and Moira lore tbh
limpid agate
The whole heroes whose relationships are relevant are Ana's, Torbjorn's, and Widowmaker's.
And even then
Sam and Ingrid don't matter
Just the fact that the relationship exists
Also Genji/Mercy, but that has yet to be actually confirmed
London Calling had the chance to make Emily relevant.
It didn't.
peak escarp
the story isn't really about their relationships, so it's fine that she's irrelevant
limpid agate
The best thing these meaningless relationships give is they shut down modern ships
peak escarp
that won't stop them
silver oriole
The best thing these meaningless relationships give is they shut down modern shi...
Yeah, Hanzo and Genji being brothers doesn't stop that.
native venture
most of Zen's lore is in the future
true
personally would love some sort of romance in the lore of ow but honestly it's a solid (yet confusing) story within itself lololol
orchid swan
i wonder what sombras motives are for forming and alliance with the volskaya lady
peak escarp
she wanted influence
"The most powerful woman in Russia? I've always wanted a friend like that!"
people do favors for their friends, powerful people can do powerful favors
still haven
Yeah, Hanzo and Genji being *brothers* doesn't stop that.
I’m gonna throw up if I hear that
cosmic arch
i wonder what sombras motives are for forming and alliance with the volskaya lad...
Idk if I'd call it an alliance.
Considering that the only reason Katya Voldkaya agreed was because Sombra blackmailed her
limpid agate
That's the points
cerulean ice
she wants to take over the world by controlling the government
and other shit
sombra*
delicate granite
hushed jetty
We dont know if it's necessarily for taking over the world
We haven't heard her true motives yet
silver oriole
I think she just wants power.
She, for most of her younger life, was powerless.
Trying to exercise as much control as possible seems like a way of coping with her feelings of being powerless.
Also, she doesn't seem to take it too seriously, so I doubt her plans are as grand as world domination.
peak escarp
she wants to be the one pulling the strings
silver oriole
But behind-the-scenes.
I wonder why exactly Reaper is so okay with her "extracurricular" activities, though.
He clearly knows about them.
peak escarp
he thinks he can handle her
finite urchin
But behind-the-scenes.
I wonder why exactly Reaper is so okay with her "extracur...
doomfist allowed her
plus, you know how some villains tend to be lax with those they cant fully contro
*control
like, chrollo and hisoka for instance
finite urchin
he thinks he can handle her
i think it's the other way around
silver oriole
I thought Reaper was the one who informed Doomfist about Sombra's activities anyway?
finite urchin
sombra cant be controlled that easily
silver oriole
like, chrollo and hisoka for instance
I see what you mean, but please don't give any HxH spoilers.
(This isn't a spoiler, but if you go more in-depth it may become one)
finite urchin
yeah reaper was, but doomfist allowed it so maybe reaper doesnt act unless doomfist orders it maybe
worthy rose
Yeah, Hanzo and Genji being *brothers* doesn't stop that.
bro dont give the lgbtqehaieht twitter stans more ammo
finite urchin
I see what you mean, but please don't give any HxH spoilers.
(This isn't a spoil...
sure
peak escarp
Reaper allows her extracurriculars because he thinks she isn't a problem
silver oriole
yeah reaper was, but doomfist allowed it so maybe reaper doesnt act unless doomf...
I think Reaper doesn't seem like the type to wait for chain-of-command.
peak escarp
Doomfist allows it because she's still useful even if she does sabotage the odd mission (a mission Doomfist was against anyway)
Doomfist and Reaper are technically equals, he doesn't have to wait for Doomfist's approval
finite urchin
Doomfist allows it because she's still useful even if she does sabotage the odd ...
exactly: sombra's super useful and I doubt there is a better hacker in talon
this means she could easily run away
and conceal her presence from them
peak escarp
we've seen what happens to people who try to leave Talon
Baptiste had multiple teams sent after him to either bring him back or kill him
finite urchin
You know that usb lamprey thing reaper used to hack athena
Sombra probably designed that
peak escarp
probably
finite urchin
So she’s important to their goals
And talon wants to keep her on their side
Yeah
finite urchin
And why do you think talon lets her do what she wants, unlike everyone else
There’s no reason for them to be lenient
finite urchin
Of course, that’s a thing
But i believe partly bc they cant do anything about it
Bc sombra can easily run away
peak escarp
that too
finite urchin
Yes
lyric sluice
wait how did zarya find out who sombra really was
peak escarp
she's dropped off the grid once before, if she gets spooked she'll do it again
peak escarp
wait how did zarya find out who sombra really was
someone in Dorado told her
silver oriole
wait how did zarya find out who sombra really was
Her and an Omnic went to Dorado to get information.
Forget the Omnic's name, though.
peak escarp
it's implied that Alejandra (the little girl from Soldier's short) told her
silver oriole
Isn't Dorado where Sombra is from?
lyric sluice
ohhhh
peak escarp
Sombra grew up there, lots of people would know her
lyric sluice
wait so was it common knowledge where sombra was in dorado and aljandra snitched or did aljandra know sombra better than most people
lyric sluice
Sombra grew up there, lots of people would know her
oh
peak escarp
but all the adults like her enough to keep quiet
lyric sluice
ohh ok so alejandra snitched
peak escarp
yup
peak escarp
because Zarya pulled the hero card
lyric sluice
im assuming after...?
peak escarp
after
peak escarp
it means shadow
peak escarp
in Spanish
peak escarp
nope
peak escarp
not recently
lyric sluice
i cant wait for the cinematic
peak escarp
we should be getting more news in April
lyric sluice
what do u think it will be
lyric sluice
we should be getting more news in April
yay so 5 more days?
4?
is march 30 days or 31
lyric sluice
oh so not a specific date either
peak escarp
no
lyric sluice
so what do u think the cinematic will most likely be
peak escarp
what cinematic?
lyric sluice
the new one
hopefully that wil be coming
soon
ok probably not soon but whatever
valid terrace
Not even close
valid terrace
There's a lot
lyric sluice
idk those are just the 3 i can come up with 
valid terrace
True
tacit ether
i want a baptiste cinematic
brave ravine
oh wow, you know it'd be hilarious
tacit ether
no he should just get hit with a nuke but he just throws down a lamp at the last second
silver oriole
The immortality field doesn't actually make people immortal, iirc.
peak escarp
he used it in the short story to survive an explosion
valid terrace
Does what it says on the tin
urban grove
Novel?
orchid swan
I wanna see the fight between Morrison and Reyes at the Overwatch HQ
Or abit more about the ongoing conflicts of Overwatch. Like Reinhardt being pushed out, Angelas work being used for things she doesn’t like, Moira and Mercy’s dislike for each other, What experiments Moira did when she was in Overwatch,Genji’s rehabilitation with his new body and working with Overwatch etc
peak escarp
you mean when Moira was in Blackwatch
limpid agate
What experiments Moira did when she was in Overwatch
We saw this
Its called Reaper
Genji’s rehabilitation with his new body and working with Overwatch
We saw this
Its called Storm Rising
Angelas work being used for things she doesn’t like
We saw this multiple times over
Moira, Ana, Genji, for a few examples of places where her medication or paitents were weaponized.
worthy rose
Do you think there is a reason everyone in the game speaks English other than convenience for gameplay and plot?
Well actually that's not the case for other regions ig who plays Overwatch
peak escarp
well aside from that
3 of the founders are English speakers, so I assume English was the common language
worthy rose
Oh true
I guess that makes sense for the characters in overwatch who's in the overwatch group
Is Mei's data all about environmental issues?
peak escarp
she has atmospheric and environmental data from 9 years
blissful elm
Do you think there is a reason everyone in the game speaks English other than co...
English is just the common language of the world tbh
worthy rose
True :0
valid terrace
Especially 60 years in the future
peak escarp
!!shitposting @lean sentinel
twilit nacelleBOT
@lean sentinel Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
native venture
i wonder what sombras motives are for forming and alliance with the volskaya lad...
bc sombra reckons that katya knows a thing or two about the global conspiracy sombra accidentally discovered (and now has to be in hiding bc of it)
orchid swan
Pog
peak escarp
bc sombra reckons that katya knows a thing or two about the global conspiracy so...
that's not why
peak escarp
Sombra says why
"The most powerful woman in Russia? I've always wanted a friend like that!"
Katya has power, Sombra wants to use that power
native venture
powerful woman, knows a few things
it's that simple ksndnf
it's never been confirmed either way so we can agree to disagree
peak escarp
sure, just ignore the motivations Sombra herself gives us
native venture
it is quite literally up to interpretation and won’t be fully understandable till more comes out about why she would specifically want katya to be her friend
╮(. ❛ ᴗ ❛.)╭
peak escarp
native venture
nah I've watched and rewatched it before
peak escarp
I linked the specific clip
native venture
i know what moment you're talking about
the one where they're in the office and sombra pulls up photos, blackmailing katya into being her “friend”
peak escarp
"The most powerful woman in Russia? I've always wanted a friend like that! [...] So, I'm thinking, I don't let these images appear on every holovid in the world, and you help out your new friend every now and again, what do you say?"
there's no reason to think that Sombra went after Katya because of the Conspiracy
native venture
i see a lot of reasons but again it is just up to interpretation
worthy rose
Pertaining to the overwatch villains would you think any of them would just straight up attack you if you saw them?
Like we've seen in the comics widow and doom fist out in public
worthy rose
Oh :v it's just like wouldn't widow like
Totally shot that kid if his little bro didn't distract her?
Idk I'm unsure because the fandom has either infantalized or made the villains in the game all soft in fanart and stuff
cerulean ice
Totally shot that kid if his little bro didn't distract her?
she would but we dont want any killing happening right off the bat especially since that cinematic is specifically for the release of overwatch
worthy rose
Yeah talon does seem a bit more calculated in thier villainy :v
peak escarp
she sounds manipulative
muted quarry
Sombra manipulates with information
upper pilot
yup, sombra is very self-depending and is willing to do anything to access information she wants
muted quarry
Sombra is manipulation, widowmaker is assassination, reaper is going in guns blazing/strategy
Talons very well rounded
hushed jetty
Doomfist is also their leader, or at least he seems like it, so
peak escarp
Doomfist is diplomatic and charismatic
pastel dust
I'm sure a guy with a huge fist would be pretty convincing
limpid agate
@pastel dust What are you on about
woeful wren
Basically the lore is this in the Overwatch universe Genji is by far the most powerful, he is also objectively the most cool. Besides that he is also a good guy in the lore but kinda bad guy in beginning more of a anti-hero to actual hero. Overall Genji is best character in Overwatch lore
woeful wren
Bro he is def most powerful Overwatch 2 trailer he could’ve 1v1 that shit fucking robot himself but of course tracer had to be the hero as always. Genji deflect in the lore at least is clearly the most powerful thing in all of existence so he is by far the most powerful.
peak escarp
incorrect
woeful wren
Ok who is stronger than
peak escarp
Sigma can control gravity
Symmetra can make anything out of hard light
Doomfist crumpled Genji with one punch
woeful wren
Ok your points are valid but Genji can also teleport after the battle with Hanzo my dude gone he either teleported or is faster than speed of light in that case sym is no match for him, Sigma is a old ass man who Genji will chop, and Doomfist he did actually lose to but that was during his more younger days and his agility can far surpass Doomfist now.
silver oriole
He's extremely fast; he's a cybernetically-enhanced ninja.
woeful wren
Yea he kicked Hanzo ass who in lore is psychically without any special advancements the strongest. Genji was a ninja before becoming a cyborg and now that he can double jump and move super fast along with deflecting fucking fireballs he by far can take down any foe.
peak escarp
he kicked Hanzo ass who in lore is psychically without any special advancements the strongest.
lol what
Hanzo is definitely not the strongest
he doesn't even compete
silver oriole
In-game mechanics don't reflect the real-universe.
Also, Hanzo kicked Genji's ass; who do you think wounded him enough that he had to become part machine??
woeful wren
Maybe strongest was wrong word but he is the most skilled without any boosts such as technology
peak escarp
he's a skilled archer, that's about it
woeful wren
In-game mechanics don't reflect the real-universe.
Also, Hanzo kicked *Genji's* ...
Yea but Genji stronger now
silver oriole
Reaper is literally constantly healing.
peak escarp
"most skilled" is very vague
woeful wren
Genji is most skilled overall
peak escarp
no
woeful wren
Yea he is super fast, can deflect bullets, stealthy, can use ninja misdirection which is what you say but honestly my dude probably teleported, he also can climb walls and double jump
peak escarp
he's slower than Tracer
he's less stealthy than Sombra
Hanzo can also climb walls and double jump
he's not even on the list when talking about most intelligent heroes
woeful wren
Overall he is more skilled than tracer though and more now more skilled than Hanzo that being proven by their recent fight. I will give you the stealthy part with Sombra but he is still incredibly stealthy and could probably fight her and win talking lore that is
peak escarp
what does "more skilled" even mean?
woeful wren
Well it’s subjective but I’m using it in How good one is with there psychical capabilities things that have to do with agility (speed,strength, battles won, intelligence, mastery)
peak escarp
Genji isn't the best in any of those categories except maybe mastery of ninja techniques
woeful wren
Do you at least agree he better than Hanzo
peak escarp
like I said, Tracer is faster, Zarya and Doomfist are stronger, Genji has only one 1 fight
of course he's better than Hanzo
Hanzo sucks
pastel dust
Hanzo sucks
Lol
woeful wren
Yes Hanzo does suck literally less good version of Genji in the lore
pastel dust
Hanzo is too busy being edgy to obtain more skill that parkor and archery
peak escarp
Hanzo still has room to grow as a character
pastel dust
Genji accepted who he was and became a badass
woeful wren
Yeah I don’t know what there gonna do with Genji his story feels complete I think in Overwatch 2 they should do flashbacks and shit and in present day just have him go along be a good guy
peak escarp
I think Genji will be more of a supporting character in Zenyatta's story
I'd love to get a novel for Genji that shows his journey to self acceptance
woeful wren
There’s not enough information about zen that gives me any idea what there plans are with his ark
Maybe make zen evil that shit would be dope
peak escarp
judging by the clips we saw at Blizzcon, Talon seems to be after him for some reason
worthy rose
You know it's serious when zen uses his legs
worn island
I mean what would they want? Ascension? what use would talon have with him? Perhaps they went after him to draw Genji out of any hiding he might have been doing?
worthy rose
Maybe to learn about the iris to use it to their advantage?
worthy rose
Do you think OW2's story modes main threat will center around null sector or talon? Which group will become the focus?
worthy rose
Ye
I wonder if there is going to be any realignment by the end of the story mode
It would most likely be reaper or something
Or symmetra will leave vishkar
Maybe zenyatta will be hacked
Or hanzo will join overwatch
limpid agate
Reaper and Zen make no sense
Hanzo wouldn't be changing sides, he isn't on one yet
Symmetra is a good guess though. She doesn't know her boss is one of the leaders of Talon.
And she is the type of person who would fight against Talon
worthy rose
Reaper and Zen make no sense
Well reaper has a past with overwatch
And Sombra has hacked an omnic in the comics
And talon is known to kidnap and change people like widow
And the sneak peek of zen facing sombra makes that idea possible
worthy rose
Hanzo wouldn't be changing sides, he isn't on one yet
Well I didn't mean sides I meant like joining Genji and stuff
iron plume
The fox hero or the swordmaster mom seem like good calls
Related to Shimada story-wise but not literally Shimadas
I think we've explored all there is with the clan itself
limpid agate
@worthy rose Sombra's hacking isn't mind control
Anubis' is
We've seen her hacking in Searching and Hero of Numbani
worthy rose
<@456226577798135808> Sombra's hacking isn't mind control
Well it doesn't necessarily have to be sombra I'm sure talon has methods to effect omnics
peak escarp
I wonder if there is going to be any realignment by the end of the story mode
if anyone is going to change sides, my guess is Maximilien
silver oriole
I feel like Max would do what he finds would benefit him the most.
I don't think he is truly loyal to Talon.
peak escarp
we've already seen that he's wavering
in the gameplay trailer we saw in 2019 - "I can't do this"
silver oriole
Exactly
reef patio
So is Antonio the founder of Talon or just past leader?
reef patio
That's good to know
orchid swan
Isn’t the new leader Doomfist?
iron plume
He is
worn island
ok so if Doomfists plan for a better world is conflict, wouldn't he just starting battling it out with anyone powerful enough to do something impactful?
peak escarp
isn't starting a world war enough?
iron plume
ok so if Doomfists plan for a better world is conflict, wouldn't he just startin...
Because as strong as he is, he's a single person
A single strong fighter fighting with another strong fighter won't do much in the world's picture
Starting a massive war does
willow isle
wooden pulsar
I used to think that everyone was a part of Overwatch
covert echo
The original Overwatch gameplay trailer was deceiving haha
jaunty crown
didnt lucio's father work for vishkar too
tribal plume
Has Vernand Sainclair left Talon or is he still hiding from them or...? I don’t think any of that is confirmed but I have no clue. (From Bap’s short story)
cerulean ice
hes not in talon anymore
im not sure if it was directly confirmed but its implied when he stopped giving money to talon and baptiste saving him
tribal plume
Got it, thankies. 
lyric sluice
Anubis' is
who is anubis
peak escarp
who is anubis
Anubis is a "god program" that was quarantined by Overwatch about a decade ago
read "Mission Statement" for more info
lyric sluice
does it have to do with temple of anubis
lyric sluice
read "Mission Statement" for more info
can u put it here? idk where it is
peak escarp
yes, that's where it was quarantined
lyric sluice
thanks!
nimble furnace
So Symettra/Satya has some form of minor mental disability right but I can't quite place what it is, does she have OCD? Multiple things? Some futuristic unknown thing?
lyric sluice
i think its autism but idk for sure ask doctor six or tiaga
urban sedge
They just say she's on the spectrum. But to avoid stereotyping I don't believe they said exactly what it is
lyric sluice
https://playoverwatch.com/en-us/media/stories/mission-statement/
ngl pharah changes character faster than the flash
cerulean ice
They just say she's on the spectrum. But to avoid stereotyping I don't believe t...
the writers confirmed she was autistic
urban sedge
Yes, and autism is a spectrum
Where exactly she is in this spectrum wasn't discussed I reckon
young knoll
they keep changing it
used to be that asperger's was sort of a separate thing, now it is like a gradient
nimble furnace
Hmm ok from the comics it seems like she hates disorder and takes things literally so
If they're not gonna define it I'll just think about it as OCD + Drax
young knoll
no, pretty sure it is autism
urban sedge
Idd, OCD does not belong in the spectrum
What's Drax
peak escarp
nimble furnace
Oh ok autism
nimble furnace
Idd, OCD does not belong in the spectrum
What's Drax
Drax is a marvel character who they basically just have take metaphors and stuff literally
young knoll
we know
nimble furnace
That's like 80% of the screen time
urban sedge
You said you thought it was OCD + Drax I thought it was a condition 
young knoll
but specifying that you didn't mean a mental disorder was the problem
nimble furnace
Idk if there's a condition for that specifically so I just said something I thought y'all would understand
young knoll
taking metaphors literally?
urban sedge
Context was lacking. In any case
As I said previously, Blizz said she was in the autistic spectrum but didn't precise where
peak escarp
there isn't really a "where"
young knoll
they are still defining the spectrum afaik
they changed asperger's to autism 1 I think
urban sedge
Science is ever changing
young knoll
more or less
urban sedge
I just mean they didn't put a nail on the coffin like "oh ye she has Asperger's, oh ye she has Pitt-Hopkins"
young knoll
more than likely by how they are defining it now she would be level 1
though we don't know an enormous amount about her private life
peak escarp
they won't say specifically because they don't want to offend or be held accountable to that group
young knoll
people will guess anyway
peak escarp
same reason Pharah's father's tribe isn't listed, aside from being "from the Pacific Northwest"
young knoll
but I doubt they want to commit for that reason
seems like a cop out that you want to represent but won't actually fully commit to me
but I don't care all that much so eh
urban sedge
people will guess anyway
People will guess but they won't be held accountable
Idd it's to avoid stereotyping and possibly offending the community
Look at Music, that film by Sia
peak escarp
I'd rather not
young knoll
it isn't a stereotype, there is literally a classification
urban sedge
I'd rather not
It is wise
young knoll
also, I heard that movie was awful
urban sedge
Things are not this black and white. The classification helps, well, classify a certain case but it doesn't mean people will necessarily present all of the listed attributes in the same way or at all
young knoll
that is why it is a classification and nothing else
urban sedge
Stereotyping is a real possibility that may constitute a disservice
Well it is also why they decided not to define Sym's autism
young knoll
why would there be stereotyping when we can see how she behaves?
peak escarp
because people at different places on the spectrum might have the same symptoms, and people at the same place might have different symptoms
you can't diagnose her based on what is seen in the comics/short stories
people also need to stop saying "D.Va/Soldier/Winston has PTSD!!"
young knoll
that isn't how the classification works, it has to do with how much help you need to function, not with syptoms. and yes, I know you can't classify based on what we have seen, I am just curious
peak escarp
tbh if anyone has anything even close to PTSD it's Baptiste
young knoll
I haven't noticed any behaviors that I would associate with it from his voicelines
and I don't remember his short story
peak escarp
room. The glowing numbers on the screen read 04:03 AM.
The dream lingered in his mind. He could still smell the scent of burning houses.```trouble sleeping, and vivid sensory memory are some of the symptoms of PTSD
also avoidance of the source of trauma - Baptiste ran away and resisted when they tried to bring him back
I'm not saying it's a certain diagnosis, but he's shown more symptoms than any of the other heroes people claim to have PTSD
peak escarp
!!shitposting @timid kraken
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@timid kraken Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
orchid swan
tbh if anyone has anything even *close* to PTSD it's Baptiste
Doesn’t Rein have it aswell?