yeah, like her silhouette basically
#lore-discussion
young knoll
wet valve
wonder what the new echo model will look
like also the role passive to damage would be op on her
peak escarp
huh, discord doesn't support .tif files
that's what her symbol looks like
that's the Vishkar logo
aside from both being blue and having a pointy bit at the top and sides, not very similar
young knoll
actually more like her head and wings, come to think of it
either way, yeah, the symbols aren't the same
though the similarity is a bit odd
cosmic crest
Athena is kind of like Echo's cousin since they were both created by Liao.
peak escarp
yeah
peak escarp
a lot of people did
wet valve
also about that thing a long time ago where i wonderd how did widow shot anas scope and hit her but didnt kill her
i leanerd that scopes are very advanced
with like 100 layers of glass
young knoll
something blocking it would make the kill power much less in general
wet valve
very strong glass so a bullet would have tons of trobule going through it
heck mythbusters turned out did a episode on it
young knoll
I do wonder what standard sniper ordinance is in the future
considering how advanced their technology is
wet valve
and it turned out a . 300 Winchester Magnum the most powerful known sniper caliber
could not even get more then halfway through
proud pike
also about that thing a long time ago where i wonderd how did widow shot anas sc...
Actually... Ana was saved not only because of ''scope-shot''
her eyes were replaced with "cybernetic eyes", which allowed her to see better and further.
iron plume
Actually... Ana was saved not only because of ''scope-shot''
She was saved by the bullet hitting the scope
If it wasn't for it, a bullet through her eye, cybernetic or not, would go deeper into her head
Instead she was only hit by the shards of glass from the scope, but not the bullet itself
zenith prawn
I do wonder what standard sniper ordinance is in the future
Pretty sure one of the comics specifies that Ana's rifle is a .338
muted quarry
It is.
young knoll
more specifically, I meant the materials, the ballistics, etc
muted quarry
Oh.
limpid agate
Where does reaper get his shotties from? Hell? The void? Tartarus?
He was always shown to pull the pair out from his back, but it is not as much of a mystery as people make it sound.
zenith prawn
Hammerspace
limpid agate
Reaper has been shown to turn matter into smoke
Not just his own body
His equipment and clothes too
young knoll
but does he, like, have a smoke filled pouch or something?
does he integrate the smoke into himself?
muted quarry
No, I thought he reaches into his belt... That's what the animation looks like.
Or a pouch
limpid agate
Its not like the guns thrown on the floor stay on the floor forever
muted quarry
The ones he throws despawn
limpid agate
I would imagine he rotates between 4 shotguns, 2 physical and 2 smoke. But I can't make a good source for that theory
young knoll
so he rotates usage between only 4, instead of just pulling a seemingly infinite amount?
I don't see how that would work, in practice
he never seems to reload at all, iirc
limpid agate
Obviously they would "reload" when "holstered" as smoke
You never see the shotguns on the floor in the shorts
They get thrown, and then just disappear
young knoll
yeah, but how does the reloading work?
like, does he mentally put the smoke in the right place?
does the smoke just go there automatically somehow?
does it solidify elsewhere for some grunt to do it?
I like the idea, but it seem weird
muted quarry
Yea,reaper's a mystery.
That, and how many shurikiens does Genji have in his body?
Infinity? And if so, where/how does he get more
opaque tundra
i dont think his body can manufacture and produce an infinite amount of shurikens
it's just gameplay convienence that we shouldn't look too much into
muted quarry
Have Genji/Mercy actually been, like, confirmed? If not, then unless there's something I'm missing, Tracer is the only hero in a relationship! Ridiculous!
peak escarp
not confirmed, but heavily hinted at
iron plume
You are missing something, Torbjorn is happily married to Ingrid
limpid agate
And up until recently, so were Reyes and Ana
Jack had a relationship 30 years ago too, but that's less important.
iron plume
Wouldn't really call pre-Fall "recent"
but yes they were
limpid agate
It feels recent because we have very little lore between the Fall and Recall
peak escarp
@muted quarry if any relationship between two heroes is going to be confirmed, that's the most likely one
arctic loom
doctor you think ashe and mccree had a relationship?
peak escarp
it was confirmed that they didn't
although I think Ashe may have harbored unrequited feelings for McCree
limpid agate
Will learn more in her novel
jagged forum
Anyone else feel like this Tracer comic series was just bad
Nothing happened that would affect the story
Just Tracer saves a bunch of omnics and we find out she likes a type of music or smth
proud pike
Anyone else feel like this Tracer comic series was just bad
Yeah
Everyone says that this comic series was a crap
Maybe someone likes it
But
Almost everyone says that
nah
jagged forum
Ah good, because the twitter comments on the story made me think otherwise
Ppl genuinely excited and lore youtubers treating it like actual good lore
I think the only good lore piece we've gotten was Retribution
Are there ppl here that have read the Orisa novel?
proud pike
||A) The comic was useless B) It tried to be interesting, but in the end it screwed up. C) The characters are boring and you forget them a day after reading them. D) Everyone is acting like an idiot. The feeling that the world has decided to become stupid. (in comic, i mean)|| - a big imho, so not everyone will like my opinion
proud pike
Are there ppl here that have read the Orisa novel?
of crs, but I'm not one of them
jagged forum
||A) The comic was useless B) It tried to be interesting, but in the end it scre...
I agree
proud pike
Cause my Russian version is still on the way
And...
Oh, my God.... These faces...
Just why
jagged forum
I think the comic was decently drawn
Y'know a comic that's so badly drawn it makes me wanna pluck my eyes out?
Dragon Slayer
Wait wh-
proud pike
5 sec
jagged forum
An Overwatch comic that's unbelievably well drawn is Binary
lapis aspen
i liked the way it expanded upon the cinematic
other than that it was just pretty decent
worthy rose
@wet valve The art discusts me also fuck you Iggy
peak escarp
Are there ppl here that have read the Orisa novel?
I've read it several times, it's quite good
worthy rose
I would read it but I have no money to buy it lol
jagged forum
I've read it several times, it's quite good
Does it actually add anything important to the lore unlike the Tracer comic
peak escarp
it does develop Orisa and Doomfist's characters more, and gives us a bit of Lucio in action
depends what you mean by "important"
wet valve
ohh i may get the orisa novel since i like orisa
jagged forum
depends what you mean by "important"
Developing one's character is a very interesting part I specifically wasn't impressed by Tracer's comic because she just was the same perfect hero she's always been
peak escarp
yeah, it didn't show us anything we didn't already know
jagged forum
If what you say is true, I might read it
peak escarp
it also gives us a lot of info about Efi and builds her character
she may not be a playable hero, but she's very important to Orisa's story
jagged forum
Sounds even better
iron plume
It's pretty good just as a standalone story as well
peak escarp
my only complaint is that they used voice lines from the game as dialogue too much
wet valve
are there other novels of heros?
i have never heard of these till now
beacuse i would give a arm and a leg for a torb novel
peak escarp
Hero of Numbani was the first one
the next one is Deadlock Rebels, featuring Ashe and McCree as teenagers, coming in June
wet valve
ooh that would be cool
peak escarp
it seems like they will continue to make more
wet valve
maybe we will see how ashe and mcree met
like we know they formed the deadlock gang together but how did they meet to form the gang
peak escarp
When Ashe is arrested yet again on the morning of her high school graduation, her aloof, old-money parents decide to disinherit her from the family fortune. To steal back what''s rightfully hers, Ashe teams up with her omnic butler, B.O.B., and local ruffian Jesse McCree for a series of heists, catapulting the trio into a game of fast money and dangerous alliances. Along the way, Ashe discovers that family isn''t just about blood. It''s about the people who''ve got your back when your back''s against the wall.
wet valve
so is that the premise to the novel
peak escarp
yep
wet valve
guess i will get it since thats a thing that ponderd me about how was the deadlock gang formed and such i hope we get more info on the deadlock gang what if there was a new hero from the gang
hazy ibex
peak escarp
nope
grand wedge
We just know he "managed to have a family" (Bastet)
peak escarp
due to being designed as the opposite of Morrison in many ways, it's likely he had a wife/kids
peak escarp
white/nonwhite
rural/urban
catholic/atheist
impulsive/planner
so by that logic . . .
gay and single/straight and married
even their blood types are pretty much opposites
worthy rose
Wait Reaper is athiest? I thought he might be christian because of the 666 on his gun iirc
cosmic crest
I'm more surprised about Morrison being catholic.
lyric sluice
tf theres religion in ow
i thought they would try and stay away from that sensitive stuff but idk
kudos i guess
limpid agate
King's Row literally starts inside a church for attackers.
Its not like its the first mention of religion
pale loom
peak escarp
maybe it's the response to the events of London Calling
limpid agate
The team that Overwatch would align themselves with would be defense. The team trying to stop the payload.
But don't think too much about mission objectives in PvP
They aren't meant to make sense
pine bloom
I don't know if the game play over a payload objective has anything to do with the story. For example, the echo payload on Route 66 had nothing to do with "who are the good guys vs bad guys" it was just a little teaser for the Reunion cinematic, which was revealed later. So in this case, the EMP was a little teaser for the London Calling Tracer comics.
peak escarp
except the objective of the King's Row map existed long before London Calling was written
pine bloom
but so was the route 66 map correct?
peak escarp
maybe this is the case with King's Row too, but we don't have any confirmation of that
pine bloom
i dont know if we will now that Michael Chu doesnt work on OW anymore
peak escarp
yeah, the new team doesn't talk as much
pine bloom
so what are your thoughts on the purpose of the SIGMA store? Do you think it was a teaser for sigma or does it have an actual purpose
peak escarp
I think it's just an unrelated store
pine bloom
I know it is found on Numbani and also in the doomfist cinematic, but thats it
peak escarp
we have other things with the same name that are unrelated
like Nguyen the Talon analyst and Nguyen the (now dead) Horizon scientist
and I think one of Mei's team had the same last name as a Lumerico employee
cosmic crest
Yeah, somehow I doubt the Dutch, committed astrophysicist has his own store in an African city.
pine bloom
@peak escarp You obviously know a lot about the OW universe, what is the one big question you still ask yourself?
peak escarp
the biggest question I have is why did Reyes join Talon?
I can't figure it out
I have theories to explain most other questions I have, but for that one . . . nothing
nothing that satisfies me, anyway
lyric sluice
i think he joined because he felt weak when the explosion happened
his friend was injured and he could do nothing abt it
and he dosent want anyone else to feel weak
so he wants to make everyone stronger
i guess
idk
cosmic crest
He presumably joined earlier than that since it seems very like he's the one who caused the explosion at the Swiss base.
lyric sluice
oh
peak escarp
it's believed that the fight between Morrison and Reyes caused the explosion
but Soldier thinks Talon caused it
it doesn't make sense for Reyes to be part of Talon before the explosion
cosmic crest
Reyes was supposedly planning something and betrayed his comrades.
Talon was supposedly the cause of the explosion.
And now Reaper is a Talon council member.
peak escarp
Reyes was supposedly planning something and betrayed his comrades.
where does it say he was planning something?
cosmic crest
Soldier has an interaction with Moira.
peak escarp
I interpret that as "if I knew he was planning to hire you I never would have allowed it"
pine bloom
did reyes get his abilities before or after the explosion? i am pretty sure it was after, but if it was before, then maybe he needed moira to heal him from his super natural abilities.
worthy rose
Before
peak escarp
before - he was starting to get his powers around Retribution
worthy rose
In Archives your able to use Reapers power
peak escarp
pine bloom
do we know what caused these powers?
pine bloom
so, talon wants to build a new world... so does Reyes have anything he wants to change?
worn island
isnt his goal just to kill all the overwatch agents?
"another one off the list" as he says
cosmic crest
Talon wants to provoke evolution in humanity by creating a new conflict.
cosmic crest
isnt his goal just to kill all the overwatch agents?
Reaper is a serial killer who murders former Overwatch agents.
So yes.
But that's his personal goal.
charred cipher
So how did reaper end up with powers during the archive event, did moira Give it to him so he could have more power/
peak escarp
Moira experimented on him
he didn't ask for wraith powers, he just wanted his genetic issues fixed
lyric sluice
he had genetic issues?
oh is that why she said ur welcome for saving ur life os something
worthy rose
Yes even though she deserves no thanks for subjecting Reaper to immense agony
thin holly
"another one off the list" as he says
does he actually say that?
orchid swan
the biggest question I have is why did Reyes join Talon?
yeah thats what i wanna know aswell. because there is alot of interaction between Reyes, Morrison, Amari and Ziegler about it
or questions surrounding whats happened to him
arctic loom
so the original plan of reaper
was kill the agents
of overwatch
getting they location
gentle thicket
wasnt reyes just jealous that jack morrison was promoted to leader after he was the original leader?
wet valve
no in fact it seems he didnt care if i remember
proud pike
wasnt reyes just jealous that jack morrison was promoted to leader after he was ...
I thought the same way, but as far as I remember he don't really care
Although it can be like: ''I don't care'' ||But I'll remember it||
proud pike
To be honest... I don't know. I liked him as anti-hero, but not as villain
Try to ask Doctor or Taiga
opaque tundra
We still don't know how Reyes became Reaper. I feel like it's gonna be one of those mysteries that will get answered years later
lapis aspen
hoping it's one of the mysteries they reveal in ow2
alongside whatever junkrat found etc etc
wet valve
is there any lore surrounding charters and there favorite food dumb i know but i wonder
iron plume
well
there's a cookbook
wet valve
meh is there a mcree apple pie since mcree seems to like those
dire zodiac
No there isnt
But the cookbook actually has lore hang on theres a tumblr post somewhere
https://scionhanzo.tumblr.com/post/188091063675/all-overwatch-cookbook-lore-sorted-by-character Here is all the lore collected, there are some parts about favourite foods i think
opaque tundra
thanks for sharing! i've been wanting to "lorehunt" the cookbook for a while
wet valve
https://scionhanzo.tumblr.com/post/188091063675/all-overwatch-cookbook-lore-sort...
thanks also it werid to imagine the dark gloomy reaper eating some chile con queso
also robots eat in this universe where dose it go
dont they not need it
opaque tundra
they dont
worthy rose
Reaper did eat a cookie in Trace and Bake so I could imagine it
peak escarp
I have the cookbook
the recipes are pretty good
the biggest piece of lore we got out of it is that Ingrid is a chemical engineer
aside from the cookbook, Chu has offered some favourites on Twitter
favourites foods:
- Widowmaker: macarons
- Mei: spicy beef noodle soup
- Hanzo: ramen
favourite drinks:
- McCree: Bourbon, no ice
- Junkrat: Milk tea with boba, half sweet
- Sombra: Mezcal
- Mei: bubble tea
- Reinhardt: Beer
- Mercy: Kirsch
wet valve
cool
worthy rose
Hanzos and Mei sounds the best
austere pelican
oh dang mercy and sombra drink
peak escarp
why is that surprising?
wet valve
who in ow dosent drink
alcohol other then the obvious like omnics
limpid agate
She is the only hero who is under the drinking age
peak escarp
drinking age is 20 in Korea, so yeah
I don't imagine alcohol would be good for Hammond
iron plume
why wouldn't mercy and sombra drink
wet valve
fair points
iron plume
I can see zarya being a non drinker
wet valve
other then hammond that's obvious he is a hamster much different biology
peak escarp
Zarya probably goes for protien shakes
young knoll
it still affects you when you have low body mass
Hammond would still get drunk off of like half a shot
peak escarp
and borscht
young knoll
even if his liver could handle it well enough to not kill him outright
of course he survived reentry into the atmosphere so
peak escarp
of course he survived reentry into the atmosphere so
that's not quite the same as deliberately drinking poison
young knoll
well yeah, but it does suggest that he is pretty hardy for his size
young knoll
yes, but my understanding is that reentry is a relatively physically traumatic experience, and iirc he connected himself to Winston's escape craft after having made his own is a makeshift manner
however, yes, he didn't just jump into the atmosphere either
proud pike
and borscht
I'm not sure about ''t'' at the end, in Russia it just called ''borsch''
peak escarp
eh, that's how I've always seen it spelled
peak escarp
proud pike
wait a sec
In my dictionary, the word "Борщ'' is translated as ''borsch''
huh, maybe 2 variants are okay
peak escarp
The name derives from the word борщ (borshch), which is common to East Slavic languages, such as Ukrainian or Russian.
limpid agate
peak escarp
However, the English word borscht, also spelled borsch, borsht, or bortsch, comes directly from Yiddish באָרשט (borsht), as the dish was first popularized in North America by Yiddish-speaking Ashkenazi Jews from Eastern Europe
proud pike
Actually its not Russian word, Its Ukrainian
peak escarp
well there you go
limpid agate
Zarya is Russian, and борщ is how it is written in Russian.
The recipe above is for Zarya
proud pike
Zarya is Russian, and борщ is how it is written in Russian.
Thanks, i know it since I'm Russian.
I mean, борщ is Ukrainian dish
lyric sluice
and borscht
LOL
void gazelle
Does reaper like killing happy families on Christmas
cyan helm
what I'm confused about is that in sigma's reveal he seemed to be insane on the black hole incident, but in game he seems more sane the some of the other hero's
peak escarp
a lot of heroes aren't represented accurately in the game
Mei is a sweetheart who lacks confidence in combat, but in game . . .
but I don't think Sigma acts like that all the time, just when he hears the music
cosmic crest
Listening to Sigma in game, I think he is quite clearly eccentric.
wet valve
i think sigma is like junkrat insane but kind of has a sweet or nice side to them
lyric sluice
Mei is a sweetheart who lacks confidence in combat, but in game . . .
mei is the devil
peak escarp
she is not
lyric sluice
in game
peak escarp
and Moira isn't an anime fan
peak escarp
how they appear in the game doesn't represent their true personalities
limpid agate
!!shitposting @lyric sluice
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@lyric sluice Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
lyric sluice
oh sry didnt know that counted 
limpid agate
Everything you've said since "Mei is the devil" falls under shitposting
Not just the deleted message.
lyric sluice
oh... sry again 😔
worthy rose
Does reaper like killing happy families on Christmas
That would be awesome and wholesome.Hopefully thats true and we get gruesome details but sadly its probably not true
void gazelle
He's a high functioning psychopath
peak escarp
That would be awesome and wholesome.Hopefully thats true and we get gruesome det...
it's implied that the family he's watching is his own family
probably his child and their spouse and son, judging by their apparent age
worthy rose
He's a high functioning psychopath
Actually no he's not a psychopath
worthy rose
That's not what wholesome means.
Well maybe to you its not.Too me it is
limpid agate
Don't ping me for some shitty meme.
worthy rose
I've never heard of whatever meme your talking about
limpid agate
"Killing happy families" is not wholesome.
Full stop.
Reaper isn't some random psychopath serial killer people make him out to be.
If you actually did like Reaper, you would know that by now.
worthy rose
Obviously he's not a psychopath.Most psychopaths aren't serial killers there just normal people except without emotion and are more manipulative
cosmic crest
He might not be a psychopath, but he is a serial killer.
His whole thing is that he kills former Overwatch agents.
void gazelle
im referencing some voiceline reaper has
peak escarp
Obviously he's not a psychopath.Most psychopaths aren't serial killers there jus...
Reaper isnt without emotion or manipulative
worthy rose
Which is why hes most likely not a psychopath
dire zodiac
Im pretty sure that voiceline is a sherlock reference anyway?
worthy rose
Idk never watched him
peak escarp
it is
wheat hull
Is it true that Tracer, is just messing around with her warp ability and breaks her Time and her Body? (Where she rewinds the time)
limpid agate
Can you rephrase the question
lyric sluice
i think hes asking wether or not tracer gets injured while using or abilities
and if she is why would winston make something like that
limpid agate
She doesn't.
tender root
I just found that Junkrat is my waifu 😍 👉 👈
wet valve
!!shitposting@tender root
valid terrace
I'm guessing from the new emote?
lyric sluice
!!shitposting (for #buff M O N K E to エミリオ(Mailo))
twilit nacelleBOT
Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
limpid scroll
Is it true that Tracer, is just messing around with her warp ability and breaks ...
Her chest piece was made by Winston to keep her present in the current time and space, although she can use it to move around time and space as she pleases
peak escarp
Her chest piece was made by Winston to keep her present in the current time and ...
not really "as she pleases" - it does have rules
limpid scroll
Well "as she pleases" is an exaggeration you're right
supple shard
Could they possibly make an archives event about the treasure that junkrat found
peak escarp
possibly
but then they'd have to tell us what it is and have a reason for 4 heroes to be involved
and I don't think it quite qualifies as something that belongs in the Archive
cyan helm
What about for the archive event it could be sigma’s prison escape, like you could have Moira, Sombra, sigma, and reaper escaping the government facility
limpid agate
Why do people insist on revisiting stories we have already seen
glacial solstice
probably because there might be links to ow2's lore?
limpid agate
Nothing meaningful
Not there
Especially since that setup doesn't work.
Widowmaker/Reaper were the two we know were present, and Sigma would not have fought to break himself out either
wheat hull
it's not time travel in the conventional sense
Well, her Time gets forward very quick and warp (the rewind one) rewinds her Time to 3 Seconds
It doesn't affect the Time around her but the Time from her
Lena could create time overlaps
I think
golden tusk
Am I the only one who thinks junkrat's treasure is just the loot from the crime spree with hog, or am I missing something?
Like I know about his interaction with hanzo but I can't recall anything else about his treasure
peak escarp
it's not the loot
he found the "treasure" before being kicked out and needing to bribe his way back in
the "treasure" probably isnt something tangible
golden tusk
oh ok thanks
peak escarp
depends what you mean by evil
Zarya is a member of the Russian army
she's a sergeant
blazing heath
yeah I knew that, just didn’t know if she was part of anything overwatch/talon, those kind of things
Like who tasked her with capturing sombra
blazing heath
ohhh alright
peak escarp
from the behind the scenes panel, it looks like Zarya will somehow become aligned with Overwatch
blazing heath
but yeah what’s up with junker queen
peak escarp
she runs Junkertown
she's a former Scrapyard mech combat champion who used her popularity to gain political power
she seems to rule pretty strictly
supple shard
What about for the archive event it could be sigma’s prison escape, like you cou...
actually, its probably guaranteed for Reaper and Widowmaker, due to the gunshots made in the origin story. so its prob gonna exclude sigma. who knows
sigma could be the final boss at the end of the mission.
cyan helm
ngl the only reason I suggest that was because we only get the overwatch side for archives, never talon, so it would be cool to have a talon archive, and the only thing I could think of was sigma
supple shard
ic
peak escarp
ngl the only reason I suggest that was because we only get the overwatch side fo...
we only get the Overwatch side because that's what Archives is - the Overwatch Mission Archive
charred cipher
so why did Reinhart get booted off the overwatch team?
cursive arrow
peak escarp
so why did Reinhart get booted off the overwatch team?
he was forced to retire, but we don't know why
it's suspected that he led a mission that went badly (possibly because of him) and took the fall for it
wet valve
could we get that mission as a archive mission
peak escarp
the mission could be a success but still have Reinhardt to blame for something
arctic loom
also they dont showed us reinhardt family right?
lyric sluice
but he's part of Torbjorn's family
ya inst he the godfather of brigette
crisp heath
what’s black watch?
peak escarp
they were the black-ops division of Overwatch
peak escarp
yes
crisp heath
aw reaper’s one of my favorite characters so that’s disappointing
soft flicker
wasn’t reaper a founder of overwatch?
peak escarp
yes
Gabriel Reyes was one of the founders of Overwatch, and even led Overwatch during the crisis
limpid agate
He was the official leader of it 30 years ago
peak escarp
but afterward Jack Morrison became the leader because he showed better leadership skills
crisp heath
ah
soft flicker
mhm
crisp heath
i think someone like hanzo is redeemable but not someone like widowmaker
peak escarp
Reyes was happy to let him lead, and didn't want the accountability
soft flicker
well to be fair widow doesn’t really have a choice in the matter
crisp heath
so what made him turn?
@soft flicker wdym? sorry i don’t know much abt the lord
lore*
soft flicker
oh she was brainwashed and forced to kill her husband
limpid agate
She was not brainwashed.
peak escarp
Widowmaker has been conditioned to be the perfect emotionless killer
peak escarp
it's possible the conditioning could be reversed, but that would take a lot of time and effort
it won't just wear off naturally
crisp heath
exactly yeah
widow’s definitely one of my favorite characters and i feel bad for her so hopefully
peak escarp
it does like she'll be making some appearances in OW2, so that's good
pastel dust
I've heard through those side conversations before matches that Lucio got his sonic technology from his dad. I want to learn more, but I don't know where to look. There's not much on Lucio on the Overwatch website.
peak escarp
there's not much about it
his dad was a Vishkar employee
he may or may not be dead, it's not clear
pastel dust
Yeah. It seems like Symmetra's involved too through Vishkar. Hope Overwatch gives some story there.
pastel dust
Just got into a match where Symmetra said Lucio "stole" Vishkar technology, so that's another addition to what little we know there.
proud pike
Just got into a match where Symmetra said Lucio "stole" Vishkar technology, so t...
actually she doesn't know him in person
vivid ridge
Sigma for that matter is also being exploited . He I feel has potential to swap sides or realize what he’s doing
I hope overwatch 2 explains more lore for him
I wonder who the new tanks are for overwatch 2, I hope we get another talon tank
limpid agate
Mauga is the most likely candidate for that
unkempt prism
Something that always confused me is the timeline in which Genji joined Overwatch/Blackwatch and then left to travel the world in search of meaning. I know he joined Overwatch because they saved him from dying after his battle with Hanzo, but it’s never clear if he became a Overwatch agent first or a Blackwatch agent first. Was he there when Overwatch fell? Or did he already leave and met Zenyatta?
peak escarp
he was a Blackwatch agent first, then when Blackwatch was suspended he was put on the Overwatch strike team
When his mission was complete, he abandoned Overwatch and wandered the world in search of meaning.
After he helped take down the Shimada empire, he left Overwatch - so he wasn't there when it fell
limpid agate
For the timeline
8 years ago - Hanzo thinks he kills Genji. Mercy saves Genji's life. Genji becomes cyberized, joins Blackwatch.
8 years ago - Retribution
7 years ago - Uprising
6-7 years ago - Genji joins the Overwatch strike team.
6 years ago - Storm Rising
5 years ago - Overwatch shuts down
After the fall - Genji meets Zenyatta, trains under him, becomes at peace with himself.
Around the time of Recall - Dragons
1 year after Recall - Zero Hour
@unkempt prism
peak escarp
the takedown of the Shimada empire happens just before Uprising (you can see mentions of the Japanese government complaining about Blackwatch on the screens in Jack's office in the Uprising comic)
unkempt prism
>8 years ago - Hanzo thinks he kills Genji. Mercy saves Genji's life. Genji beco...
That's a really helpful timeline. Since the trailers, cinematics, and cutscenes were released out of order, it made it much more confusing in a storytelling standpoint
peak escarp
so Genji gets his finished body between Uprising and Storm Rising, which is supposed to help him feel whole
my theory is that it was working, until he gets badly beaten in the fight against Doomfist and needs repairs, sending him into an existential crisis, so he leaves Overwatch to find himself
peak escarp
that fight is the last time chronologically that we see Genji with Overwatch until Zero Hour
limpid agate
They never explicitly said he left either
Most they did
Mercy, Tracer, and Winston stayed until the end. Torb/Genji/Sojourn were never said to have left. Soldier/Ana/Reyes were thought dead. McCree quit. Rein was made to retire. Moira is Moira and probably got fired sometime after Retribution.
peak escarp
When his mission was complete, he abandoned Overwatch and wandered the world in search of meaning.
limpid agate
Oh, I guess they did
peak escarp
from his Bio
peak escarp
yes, it's not exactly trustworthy anymore
limpid agate
I dont know what is and isnt retconned anymore
unkempt prism
I guess Blizzard is lacking in making the backstory comprehensible
peak escarp
the information is there, the bios just haven't been updated to match newer information
Mei's bio still says she was found frozen, but in Rise and Shine we saw her escape Antarctica on her own
and Rein's bio says the omnic crisis started more than 30 years ago - every other source puts 30 years as the start point
it does take a bit of work to get the full picture
unkempt prism
I'm sure there's tons of videos on YouTube explaining all of it in chronological order for the newbies
peak escarp
there's a lot, but not all of them are entirely accurate
finite urchin
Am I the only one who thinks junkrat's treasure is just the loot from the crime ...
well, we have no idea exactly what it is
but like, hanzo and reaper in voicelines express huge interest in it
and you know those 2 are people who arent after money
peak escarp
voice lines don't represent actual conversations
they're "what ifs"
if Hanzo or Reaper heard that Junkrat had found something valuable, this is what they might say
they assume it's treasure
worn island
I feel like most if not all of the in game dialogues throw off anyone not completely involved in the lore
i still like them but it seems a bit ehh
peak escarp
the devs made a bad decision when they decided to keep the lore out of the game (but still have voice lines that are kinda canon)
I'm glad they realized their mistake
worn island
it seems like they've kinda cleared that up with the mention of actual different dialogue in OW2
yeah
like, actual canon stuff
There's a pharah voice line that goes like "let's keep the skies clear together" which i assume is her talking to mercy but unless there is some glitch, she doesn't respond
worn island
ahhhh
also, do we know the origins of mercy's armor/wings? did she make it herself or something designed by Overwatch? Something similar to helix tech?
peak escarp
she designed it as a proof of concept/example of how her discoveries could be used on the battlefield
Torbjorn helped her build it
worn island
mmm it doesn't seem like something she really likes to use anymore
well actually zero-hour kinda disproves that
but ignoring that
peak escarp
she became more known for being Mercy than she was for her discoveries
and she resented that
worn island
mmm fair enough, before recall wasn't she just chillin and being a "normal" medic by helping people and such
peak escarp
yep
worn island
she was in one of those comics with Ana and Soldier wasn't she?
peak escarp
short story
Valkyrie
which was a sequel to the comic Old Soldiers and the short story Bastet
peak escarp
it's one story told in 3 parts
worn island
that would explain it
for overwatch 2 do you think that there is any hero that is completely out of the question and would be tricky to implement even if the team really wanted to?
like current heroes
peak escarp
Hammond
I dont see where he'd fit into the story
they specifically mentioned finding it hard to find a spot for Hanzo
worn island
well, if junker queen is added and she gets involved with Junkrat and Roadhog
peak escarp
Ashe is another odd one out
worn island
Hanzos only real way into the story is either going with talon or ow, either one of the extremes. I don't think it would be possible for him to be neutral AND in the story
peak escarp
he has already rejected Talon
worn island
well then he's in a bit of tough spot
peak escarp
we haven't seen him reject Overwatch yet
peak escarp
but you're right, if he stays neutral he doesn't have a part in the OW vs Null Sector/Talon fight
peak escarp
did he explicitly *reject* genji?
we didn't get Hanzo's answer to Genji's suggestion to "pick a side"
worn island
It doesn't seem like hanzo "believes" in heroes
peak escarp
he doesn't think of himself as one, that's for sure
blissful dock
Do you guys think hanzo will maybe be integrated in the storyline of OW2?
worn island
scroll up lol
blissful dock
Oh srry
worn island
it's fine haha
blissful dock
Also for now we’ve just seen story missions featuring members of overwatch and not with members of talon
worn island
as sad as it is, I don't think we're gonna get any
blissful dock
😦
worn island
just doesn't seem like the direction they're taking it
at least based off what they've told us
I for one would love that, but...
sly snow
haha but we’re getting Zen stuff right?
worn island
yeah of course, in the trailer thingy you see genji returning to him so we'll have at least 1 mission or something
blissful dock
Yeah against widow and sombra right?
dusky owl
proud pike
?
mortal thorn
wet valve
I feel like any charcters that dont get main lore in the story should get a event with lore to them in the form of some a mini pve for them for that event where we can maybe get a skin too
Like a hanzo mini event or hammond since they may not get as much lore
proud pike
I feel like any charcters that dont get main lore in the story should get a even...
Lets be honest
Hammond was a mistake
Hanzo... Idk.
What kind of pve with Hanzo?
wet valve
Hammond was a mistake
Why
And you could have like more story about the shmada clan with hanzo
void gazelle
hamster massacres monkeys
proud pike
cerulean ice
i dont think a hamster should be capable of {above} human intelligence
even if that one is genetically modified
and even by the concept, it sounds like a joke
so ball is a mistake
wet valve
Man why is this chat so mean to ball
wet valve
I like him hes a funny and interesting charcter i would not mind one bit to get some more lore to
Him
proud pike
Man why is this chat so mean to ball
A) Useless to the story
B) Absolutely illogical
void gazelle
C)annoying
proud pike
C)annoying
void gazelle
right
wet valve
Yeah but a monke fucking building a time machine
void gazelle
He was just added into the story for no purpose
wet valve
Nothing wrong there
wet valve
Still he somehow messed with time
cerulean ice
theres way more illogical cases but a hamster with human intelligence is stupid
void gazelle
he was plopped into junkertown bc y not
no other ow character talks about him exept winston maybe
wet valve
I hope all of pve is about hammond now out of spite
cerulean ice
theres some lines towards ball but yknow the case of them mostly being non canon
proud pike
Yeah but a monke fucking building a time machine
A) Its not a time machine
B) Original time-traveling plane was military + OW experimental project.
C) Chronal Accelerator is just a ''controller''
Not only Winston's
wet valve
Ok still its tech that can mess with time
cerulean ice
not literally "time"
proud pike
she can't change the past
wet valve
I swear to god everybody will defend this but cant defend how a hamster in the future with genitic mutaton is not logical
proud pike
I swear to god everybody will defend this but cant defend how a hamster in the f...
maybe its logical, but its illogical that he was on Horizon Lunar
cerulean ice
how do you think its logical then
winston's case should be simple
what about a hamster
wet valve
Genetic muration already can do lots like in a few years you may be able to bassicly build your baby
I feel like in a 100 years
Or how far long ow is in the future
It probbly could be so advanced we could get a fish to have super human intelligence
proud pike
Genetic muration already can do lots like in a few years you may be able to bass...
even Hammond's appearance on HLC is illogical, cause HLC is only for primate research
is Hammond a primate?
wet valve
We dont know all the animals pn hlc
cerulean ice
its only gorillas
cerulean ice
thats the problem
wet valve
Or more hamsters
cerulean ice
wet valve
Hammond family
proud pike
nocturne fog
Hammond family
wow you really woke up and chose violence
You know how everyone hates the rat
Brave soul
peak escarp
Gorillas
not just gorillas
chimps and organgutans
it's a primate research division
peak escarp
Simon, Hypatia, Winston and Ellie are gorillas
Susan and probably Calvin are chimps
Dyson and probably Marie are orangutans
2 pairs of gorillas, 1 pair of chimps, 1 pair of orangutans
and someone's pet hamster
valid terrace
There is also evidence that Horizon has experimented on dogs, so it's really just mammals in general, probably specializing in primates as they are closer to humans
peak escarp
evidence?
this?
that looks more like a celebration of mankind's journey into space, not a selection of specimens from Horizon
@valid terrace
valid terrace
Ah
Maybe Hammond was more like the proof of concept before moving to primates
His number is before the rest
Also I wonder what happened to the other specimens
peak escarp
the other specimens are still on Horizon somewhere
peak escarp
my guess is they did the primate project and figured, hey let's see what happens on something not like humans
peak escarp
I meant the unnumbered ones
are there unnumbered ones?
valid terrace
Like 1-7 for example
valid terrace
Most likely
Now I'm confused by their numbering system
Since Hammond is clearly not an early experiment on
Idk maybe the scientists like football and just throw numbers around
peak escarp
or maybe they weren't numbered in order
or maybe the number we see is only the last 2 digits of a longer number
valid terrace
Hmm
peak escarp
used for shorthand
valid terrace
Like 108 or something
peak escarp
maybe
valid terrace
That would make sense but be confusing as Simon is 09
So pretty close to an overlap
valid terrace
Yikes
peak escarp
who knows
valid terrace
That would make the numbering system even more redundant
If there's 10+ specimen 8s
peak escarp
we dont know how long that experiment has been going or how many specimens they've gone through
valid terrace
Yeah
Still, most people learn counting in preschool
It's rather strange to see the numberings out of order with no explanation
peak escarp
it's rather strange to see an intelligent hamster in a primate research division
but whatcha gonna do
valid terrace
Moon of the apes
viscid sand
Does soldier76 wipe standing up or sitting down
wet valve
THIS IS LITTRATEY SHITPOST
limpid agate
!!shitposting @viscid sand
twilit nacelleBOT
@viscid sand Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
deft hedge
limpid agate
@deft hedge Read the warning above your shitpost.
And consider this the final warning to all.
lyric sluice
who exactly is the fox person in kanzeka
i keep hearing abt this person like in videos and stuff
wasnt it in like a letter too
limpid agate
@lyric sluice Yamagami: https://bit.ly/2XJC9Jr
This is the letter
The "fox person" is sort of a fan misname that people keep giving out
Its like saying that D.Va is the bunnygirl.
The speculation is based on the character here being one of two people
Asa Yamagami - A swordmaster who trained Genji and Hanzo. Her husband is a swordsmith. The pair are currently under the rival Hashimoto, which has control now that the Shimada clan is gone. She disapproves of the local vigilantes that is sabotaging the Hashimoto in the shadows.
Their daughter - The daughter of the two who is said to have just received a gift from her father (likely a sword.) It is possible that she is the vigilante.
warm turret
okay!
jaunty crown
i hope we see the fox person’s design and gameplay revealed at the next ow2 update in march/april
jaunty crown
im excited to see what the fox companion does as an ability
from the silhouettes revealed a year ago
limpid agate
There may not be a fox companion in game.
jaunty crown
well snowball is kinda a companion in the game
limpid agate
Ganymede is in Bastion's silhouette. Ganymede does not make an appearance in game.
jaunty crown
well we’ll see
limpid agate
jaunty crown
imagine if there was a bastion talent where it just makes ganymade just peck the shit out of an enemy
charred cipher
imagine if there was a bastion talent where it just makes ganymade just peck the...
eeeeeek, that would be painful
dire zodiac
That would be funny in pvp tho, just watching ganymede decimate some metal omnics
proud pike
That would be funny in pvp tho, just watching ganymede decimate some metal omnic...
sorry for being so boring but actually its #lore-discussion
dire zodiac
Oh sorry
proud pike
no its okay
at least it's not shitposting and somehow related to OW, so it's not critical
void gazelle
竜神の剣を喰らえ
worthy rose
English only
peak escarp
it's Genji's ult line
muted quarry
In regular text it's spelled weird
peak escarp
ryuujin no ken wo kurae
pulsar marlin
In the lore do you think Echo could use her ult to become a Hammond and leave the ball and run around has the hamster while half of herself is split off and still the Hammond's ball?
cerulean ice
we dont know the extent of echo's duplication
and its probably not just replicating external appearance
unkempt prism
Is there a reason for why Genji only has one spirit dragon and Hanzo has two dragons. Also why is Genji's dragon green and Hanzo's blue?
peak escarp
aesthetic
cerulean ice
more of a signature color
jaunty crown
Is there a reason for why Genji only has one spirit dragon and Hanzo has two dra...
before the launch of ow 1,hanzo only had one dragon but when the devs made his ult ability it looked weird with 1 dragon only so they added 2
unkempt prism
jaunty crown
anytime
can someone explain why genji’s dragon is much smaller than hanzo’s dragons in game but in the cinematic their sizes are equal
dire zodiac
Maybe they fan control the size of their dragons? I think its mostly for gameplay bc it would suck to have a massive dragon whipping around genji’s sword or a tiny dragon floating theough walls and decimating your team without warning
So i guess it was for the dramatic Reveal in the cinematic more than anything
cerulean ice
can someone explain why genji’s dragon is much smaller than hanzo’s dragons in g...
gameplay purposes
jaunty crown
fair enough
worthy rose
Any new lore recently?
peak escarp
not really
worthy rose
Oh thats unfortunate
peak escarp
it comes and goes
split bane
genji when hanzo decides to beat his shit: Ah yes. pain.
lyric sluice
im not sure if this counts as lore or whatever but when is the new cinematic coming out it wasnt at the last blizzcon so does that mean we wont get one this year?
or will?
cerulean ice
im not sure if this counts as lore or whatever but when is the new cinematic com...
last blizzcon was 2019 which featured "zero hour" for the ow2 announcement
this year's blizzcon from february is technically blizzcon 2020 since it was postponed
we will likely get one
lyric sluice
oh so this year maybe?
lyric sluice
yay
jaunty crown
we might be getting a cinematic in that april update jeff mentioned at blizzcon this year
or if not we might get more cut scenes revealed
if there is nothing revealed then most likely we will be getting a cinematic at the launch of ow2
im expecting the launch of ow2 to be in the first quarter of 2022
most likely february or march
gentle thicket
bro does soldieer has a bf?
peak escarp
yeah
they were dating during the crisis, but it didn't work out
Jack is too much of a workaholic
cosmic arch
Doomfist nearly won a 3v1, and is very influential. Sombra can hack any security system, and is blackmailing the leader of russia
jaunty crown
Doomfist nearly won a 3v1, and is very influential. Sombra can hack any security...
realistically sigma is the most powerful
man can control the flow of gravity
peak escarp
his powers are impressive, but in canon he doesn't have full control over them
gentle thicket
his powers are impressive, but in canon he doesn't have full control over them
exactly
he is even ezquisophrenic
peak escarp
Sigma has a high potential power
gentle thicket
and he thinjs that talon is hekping him
peak escarp
ezquisophrenic?
gentle thicket
to discver the musteries of the universe
gentle thicket
ezquisophrenic?
idk how u say it
leave me alone
but talon is just using him
because of his skills in science and all that
peak escarp
no
peak escarp
his condition is more like brain damage than mental illness
gentle thicket
its playing again
gentle thicket
oooh
peak escarp
gentle thicket
didnt know that
still think doomfist is the strongest
wow
yeah but sigma has a huge potential
jaunty crown
wait is it true that doomfist is homosexual
valid terrace
We don't know his sexuality
opaque tundra
where did you hear that from
valid terrace
He's just well mannered and charismatic
opaque tundra
yeah its definitely fake
peak escarp
The only confirmed sexualities we have are for Tracer and Soldier
Widowmaker, Ana and Torbjorn have been in straight relationships
and it's implied that Reyes had a family
and there's flirting between Genji and Mercy
jaunty crown
what’s the age gap between genji and mercy though
peak escarp
Genji is 35, Mercy is 37
jaunty crown
damn i thought genji was in his mid 20s
peak escarp
the only male heroes in their 20s are Zenyatta (20), Junkrat (25) and Lucio (26)
peak escarp
no
iron plume
the professor thing is from Reinhardt's story
peak escarp
he's a scavenger from the irradiated outback
iron plume
it's not about real Junkrat
lyric sluice
the professor thing is from Reinhardt's story
oh
lyric sluice
he's a scavenger from the irradiated outback
is the radiation from how they destoryed the omnium in the outback
peak escarp
Junkrat found a secret in the defunct omnium that Junkertown was built on, so people started going after him to get it
iron plume
it is
lyric sluice
Junkrat found a secret in the defunct omnium that Junkertown was built on, so pe...
the treasure?
peak escarp
is the radiation from how they destoryed the omnium in the outback
the Australian Liberation Front detonated it
opaque tundra
ye
jaunty crown
wait what year is present day overwatch right now
peak escarp
Roadhog was a member of the ALF
we dont know the exact year, but its "something like 60 years from now"
so around 2075-2080
jaunty crown
judging that the omnic crisis was like 2044
and when that took place bap was like 10
now he is 35
jaunty crown
okay so you’re right
jaunty crown
when Baptiste was 5
he looked like he was 10 years old in that origin story scene
peak escarp
he looked younger to me
jaunty crown
just googled present day overwatch
found out it is 2074-2076
so you’re not too far off
peak escarp
"something like 60 years" from 2014-2016
iron plume
There's no confirmed exact year
jaunty crown
imma pull out the calculator hol up
peak escarp
Almost two centuries ago, Clara and Basilio Diaz used their savings to open a small rum distillery. It was a modest family business, specializing in small batch, barrel-aged rum. Until 2060, few outside of Cuba knew the name Don Rumbotico, but the brand was wildly popular in Havana.
jaunty crown
judging by baptiste age, bap was 5 when in 2044 when the crisis happens , now he’s 35 and 30 years after that is 2074
this is an estimated date when everything happened tho
but that date should be close to present day ow
peak escarp
Baptiste is 36
we dont know the year for any of that
it's all guesses
we only know approximate dates
jaunty crown
yes but this is the closet we will get to an actual confirmed date
maths and Google
and lore
peak escarp
look for primary sources - things that come directly from Blizzard or one of the writers
jaunty crown
TO DM MICHAEL CHU ON TWITTER
jaunty crown
well then
i guess i’ll have to wait till ow2 is launched, we might get more info on when everything happened
hopefully that happens
peak escarp
we do have a few calendar dates for events (just day/month, not year)
Reunion happened on March 23, Infiltration happened in early November
Masquerade mostly takes place in late February/early March
jaunty crown
fair enough
jaunty crown
any zen lore in there
worthy rose
No
peak escarp
he was featured in Stone By Stone
the Symmetra short story that came out last November
peak escarp
he's also featured in the OW2 story
jaunty crown
interested to see what zen will look like in ow2
peak escarp
we have more lore for Zen than we do for Pharah, Sigma and Wrecking Ball
jaunty crown
i mean we know about ball’s backstory
he was a specimen on the lunar colony, he tried to escape the facility with winston ended up in junkertown and became whatever that stuff is called and what happened after is not clear
and for pharah we know that’s she’s Ana’s daughter and she’s a member of helix
i mean that’s way more lore than zen
peak escarp
we know Zen's backstory - he was a high-ranking Shambali monk who disagreed with Mondatta's method of teaching so he left the Shambali and wandered the world, taking on students to guide them towards inner peace
we know what he's doing now - he's on a pilgrimage to omnic holy sites
we dont know what Pharah and Hammond are doing now
peak escarp
and Sigma hasn't appeared outside of his origin trailer
jaunty crown
this is hella organised
jaunty crown
impressive
peak escarp
makes it easier to answer questions
I'm just not any good at opinion-based discussion, like "who's the strongest"
cosmic arch
the only male heroes in their 20s are Zenyatta (20), Junkrat (25) and Lucio (26)
Wow, zen is only 20? I guess I thought he was older because he’s portrayed as being so wise.
peak escarp
yeah you'd think that
but his playful side does show in his emotes and voicelines
and omnics don't really age/mature like humans do
the one that surprised me was Zarya - I thought she'd be older than 28
but I guess it does make sense for an athlete
pastel dust
I've never really thought about that... Orisa's probably like 1, or 2
But Omnics that survived during the Overwatch crisis like Bastion and Echo are probably a lot older, even though they were off for most of that
peak escarp
Orisa's age is listed as 1 month
she was built after Winston's recall, so that's likely her age during OW2
Bastion's listed age is 30, but it was inactive until about 15 years ago
Echo was built post-crisis, but we don't know her age
iron plume
Sombra was the one that surprised me the most
cosmic crest
She has the look of a young punk but she's 30.
Which is relatively young to be fair, but older than I thought.
orchid swan
the one that surprised me was Zarya - I thought she'd be older than 28
Yeah Strongmen and Strongwoman usually stop competing around 28-30 so it makes sense
peak escarp
didn't know that
pseudo trench
Is zenyatta 100
pseudo trench
Yes
limpid agate
Omnics didn't exist 100 years ago.
100 years ago would be the 1970s
That's back when the Apple 2 was invented
cerulean ice
lmao
peak escarp
the oldest omnic on the roster is Bastion
jaunty crown
how about Maximilian