Even in this issue alone
#lore-discussion
limpid agate
"Oh no, Tracer gets shot, she takes a bullet like she wished she did for Mondatta"
"Oh she gets better literally 2 pages later, which is somehow a week later. She's actually healthier than she was before."
iron plume
yeah that’s
weird
limpid agate
Even the monologue she was having
peak escarp
it was somehow both rushed and drawn out
limpid agate
About how she only ever thought of herself as a soldier
Went nowhere
She started a thought... And went nowhere
And this isn't a case of inference either.
I know what is meant to be inferred. Its still really poor.
Jesus chrust.
I decided to screw it, and go overanalyze it.
This is today's issue
This is the first panel on page 1 of issue 1.
Yeah, fuck it. Not worth my time.
iron plume
lol
opaque tundra
tracer getting yeeted would've been impactful if they handled it better
it should've been a wake-up call to the omnics, to tell them that humans can do good for omnics
peak escarp
instead of an internal monologue that made no sense, she should have been thinking "I couldn't save Mondatta, but I can save Iggy . . . we are all one . . . "
opaque tundra
EXACTLY
peak escarp
London Calling doesn't actively ruin anything, Searching makes Zarya look incompetent and possibly messes with the established timeline
limpid agate
It is also a depressing fact that.
The only two comics written by women are terrible (Searching and London Calling).
On the bright side, they also wrote the best text stories we have, Stone By Stone and What You Left Behind.
peak escarp
an unfortunate coincidence
cosmic crest
I wouldn't worry about that. No one is going to go "the only comics made by women are bad so therefore women can't make comics"
No one worth paying attention to anyway.
peak escarp
yeah
worthy rose
Wow I should go read it then and see how much fucking shit it is lol
limpid agate
Not even underwhelming.
Its just
Bad
Underwhelming means that it falls shy of being good.
This is worse than that
opaque tundra
now i want to make a rant post lol
cosmic arch
I wouldn't worry about that. No one is going to go "the only comics made by wome...
Only if they want to suffer an agonising death
restive flower
i stopped reading the comics after 2/5 because they're taking too long
is the rest of it any good
proud pike
I love how Iggy was okay in the first part
dire zodiac
What is even going on???
proud pike
And then she became an idiot
peak escarp
it was super rushed
proud pike
I'll check 5/5 now, give me a sec
restive flower
welp, reading the past comments, it seems that i've "dodged a bullet"
peak escarp
they could have used another issue to tie up the story, rather than cram them all into the last 3 pages
restive flower
OW lore has so much potential but blizzard keeps on wasting it
crimson hedge
^^^ this
crimson hedge
The new comic has dope art though- i love babs tarr
proud pike
*big sarcasm sign ere
peak escarp
"let her go" is not a great thing to tell someone holding a person over a ledge
restive flower
im surprised ur pic isnt mccree's ow2 design
peak escarp
im surprised ur pic isnt mccree's ow2 design
it is
proud pike
Good, good
peak escarp
proud pike
Idk, but he looks older
restive flower
wait, it is the ow2 design
proud pike
wait what
Really?
She just....
Okay, this comic is bruh
''I didn't die for Mondatta, who was smart, but I will die for Iggy, who is no more intelligent than a toaster.''
''Ah, nope, I won't die''
If it was an attempt to create drama, then I won't argue - they screwed up again
Just... For what?
1 page and she's okay
Okay, part 5 finally ruined my attitude to this comic.
peak escarp
blame it on bad writing and move on
proud pike
Actually drawing style is not the best one too
peak escarp
eh, I liked it
opaque tundra
I really liked Iggy's design
peak escarp
I like Babs' style
proud pike
I need to forget this like a bad dream
peak escarp
watch the BTS again
proud pike
By the way... And why Winston, if he completed his shield-dome, did not use it in Zero hour
peak escarp
for drama
proud pike
Ah, he likes it
peak escarp
he was a more tempting target with no shield
otherwise the omnic might have fired at his friends
also Rule of Cool™️
also there's a good chance that beam would have just blasted through the shield anyway
proud pike
well... I think that the combination of three shields is better than two
proud pike
Ah
peak escarp
when Rein and Brig were there they had it handled
proud pike
I do not like to learn the details about the games before they are released - then the "wow effect" will disappear
peak escarp
your loss
proud pike
Maybe
The only thing I know is that the release date has been moved, but that's for the best.
peak escarp
there never was a release date
proud pike
and that Reaper's redesign looks like Borderlands character
restive flower
I think it's best to keep expectations low. Look at Cyberpunk 2077.
proud pike
That's all
peak escarp
also, you'll probably end up getting spoiled by the conversation here
because I don't bother with spoiler tags
lyric sluice
doc nice new color
also i like how they included the halloween skins in the comics
how often do they release comics ik they did the last london calling (kinda disappointing i wanted some connection to zero hour at the end but whatev)i want with echo 
peak escarp
they don't release them regularly
before London Calling, the last comic was in 2018
short stories are a little more common
we tend to get those once/twice a year
here's my database of all the lore releases
lyric sluice
thanks
valid terrace
As we get closer to Ow2, they may release more comics to set the stage for what other characters responses to NS are, or just to keep up with any that aren't campaign featured.
It's more likely we'll get a surplus post release imo
peak escarp
I think that's likely
they did say they want to establish where each character is in their life
and we don't have that for most of them right now
valid terrace
It would also be a cute way of revealing the new redesigns
Do we think Tracer will still be on the cover of Ow2?
peak escarp
probably
valid terrace
I think that's fine for the physical copy
I hope that the digital icon features Null Sector though
And can be updated to whatever is the new content
proud pike
Do we think Tracer will still be on the cover of Ow2?
She's mascot of the game, so yep, I think so
limpid agate
now i want to make a rant post lol
Here's mine: https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/overwatch/t/london-calling-thoughts-of-the-full-series/590585
I also disliked the art style, but I didn't bother writing anything about it there. It was inoffensive and some liked it.
limpid agate
Yes
restive flower
who's the lead writer now
limpid agate
Either way, I don't think this is his fault.
It was very much an outsourced project, like the (good) Hero of Numbani
proud pike
I've been thinking... How did Lena even survive? Her lung and left ventricle were damaged. These are like fatal wounds, even for a soldier....
opaque tundra
i bet those listed injuries were for dramatic effect only
OW also takes place in the future so
proud pike
the meaning of such a dramatic effect, if after 2 pages it is as if nothing had happened...
worthy rose
@proud pike Its just like how Reaper beat Winston in a few shots in recall PIS
proud pike
This may be considered offensive by those who liked the LC, so I marked it as a spoiler:
||I won't lie, I have a feeling that I read a fanfiction that was written by someone who is trying to write something pretentious, but does it for the first time.||
proud pike
<@!260335936922058753> Its just like how Reaper beat Winston in a few shots in r...
Actually Winston has an armor set
opaque tundra
i agree that there is definitely fan fiction better than LC
proud pike
C'mon It's just funny when you almost cry from a cinematic about Reinhardt, in which there were only a few wow-moments. And then you sit and literally laugh from the "official" comic book from the attempts to create tension by the authors.
worthy rose
Actually Winston has an armor set
More the reason why its PIS.Winston in the museum trailer tanked grenades and shotgun blasts like nothing yet in recall he gets downed by a few shots and a pod to his face....
proud pike
Why so many "oh no, what will happen next?!"moments, if you get the answer like a spit in the face...
proud pike
More the reason why its PIS.Winston in the museum trailer tanked grenades and sh...
He tanked grenades? I thought Reaper just missed
worthy rose
So yeah Reaper knocking Winston out is PIS lol
proud pike
sorry, but PIS is....?
worthy rose
Plot induced stupidity
proud pike
aha
worthy rose
In an actual fair fight where none are jobbing its probrably an eternal stalemate
proud pike
actually getting 2-3 grenades in face will kill you instantly
worthy rose
Winston can't hit him and Reaper can't hurt him
proud pike
even if you're monkey from moon
worthy rose
But he is genetically modified
so Its not really as bad as Tracer surviving a bullet
mystic summit
What makes a robot an omnic viceversa?
proud pike
viceversa? wdym?
limpid agate
@mystic summit Omnic is a brand.
Omnics are made by Omniums.
Omniums are self-improving factories designed by Omnica.
Bastion and Zenyatta were created in Omniums.
Orisa was originally an OR15 built in an Omnium. She was rebuilt and reborn when Efi upgraded her and gave her a personality.
Echo is not an Omnic. She was built by the same person who made the Omniums, Liao, but she herself was not made in an Omnium or by Omnica.
mystic summit
So an intelligent non-omnic AI is still a thing in the OW universe?
limpid agate
Yes.
Echo, Athena, Snowball, to name a few.
Athena has no body.
But she is an intelligent non-omnic AI.
opaque tundra
think of athena as siri
proud pike
Huh
Btw... Taiga
I'm not sure, some people say that Bastion is an omnic, others say that it's just a robot without branding
And if omnia is some kind of ai-factory
Then why did it take Torb's help to create the Bastion
I'm a little confused
Also I dont understand Bastion's beep-boop talking system.
initially, the bastion was supposed to be an army unit, right? but if the soldiers will not understand its speech, then why do they need it at all?
peak escarp
Bastion is definitely an omnic
proud pike
hmm
okay
but if it's an omnic, so why torb helped omnium with it?
Not why, more like how?
peak escarp
what
Torbjorn helped Omnica Corporation design some of their defense systems, including the E-54 "Bastion"
cerulean ice
ive had the same question
i dont understand bastion at all when theyre built as an army unit
what would they need ai for when they can simply follow commands
is this somewhat related to the sentience of shambali's?
peak escarp
you give robots AI so you don't have to give them specific commands
you can just tell them "go here, kill them" and they will figure out the rest
cerulean ice
wouldnt specific commands be more efficient? or is it a hassle to implement a list of commands that theyll obey to
covert echo
robots without AI aren't very smart.
cerulean ice
they dont have to be
you can just input a voice recognition for a specific command then theyll do that
covert echo
Then you'd have to say "go to x place. Then turn x degrees to face enemy, then fire." with mini-adjustments to every unit there, while doing the same thing to multiple armies in a global war, against humans. All in real time.
peak escarp
giving them an AI allows them to be automated
without it, they'd each need an operator
cover of the upcoming Deadlock Rebels novel
hope it's as good as Hero of Numbani
cerulean ice
seems promising
hot heart
peak escarp
yup
cerulean ice
ashe looks 20
peak escarp
women don't age much between 18 and 30
cerulean ice
serves up possibility for a "young" skin
cerulean ice
we alr have ana, soldier, genji, and hanzo for the skinline so i dont see why not
its just a possibility though
wooden sleet
i need to read hero of numbani
cerulean ice
bob doesnt rlly care
proud pike
I'd not say mean
More like bossy
And I won't say that Bob is against it
He's just: "Huh, okay"
she still appreciates him
uncut notch
this is the artist that drew the novel's art
ashe is 17 in the story, and mccree 15
obtuse star
arctic loom
oh
terse oar
I wonder if this means Ashe will get another mini event (when the novel releases)
cosmic crest
Would be the first time a character has gotten two challenges.
But I'm down for it.
young knoll
probably makes sense that they wouldn't do challenges for things that have to be bought, as opposed to the challenge for the free London Calling comics
peak escarp
yeah
young knoll
I think it would have been a nice acknowledgement of the book, but I can see the reasoning
restive flower
McCree with no beard
Hold up Ashe is 39 now and 17 in Rebels meaning Rebels was 22 years ago
And McCree is 37 now
for a 15 year old, McCree looks damn fine
worthy rose
meow
opaque tundra
yes
arctic loom
maybe this year on archives
we might get
this skin for ashe
well i know she already received a skin
but that one would be cool too
opaque tundra
a skin of that outfit would be awesome
limpid agate
Could get a skin challenge
Orisa's novel didn't get one, but the cover there was generic Orisa
Ashe here has a special outfit
Though it'll probably be a slightly older version of her, like the McCree skin
young knoll
I doubt engaging with that comment will be worthwhile
Also I think it was mentioned in the novel that it was?
I don’t remember, has been a while
valid terrace
I wouldn't classify them as Orisa
After all, her name is basically OR15-A, so she kind of doesn't exist until the upgrade
thorn quartz
worthy rose
Well yeah its overly serious.But thats just the way it is
cerulean ice
this channel and workshop is infested with shitposts everyday so i hope u understand that lol
and it still happens
golden jasper
You would think people would realize that with the description on this channel.
cerulean ice
exactly, no one reads it which is why we warn them
worthy rose
@cerulean ice Oh ok I understand
finite urchin
https://twitter.com/Velinxi/status/1364957016763097088
damn she a hottie
finite urchin
for a 15 year old, McCree looks damn fine
DAYUM MCCREE PACKING
peak escarp
they're underage, don't be gross
finite urchin
so? im underage too?
in fact
im younger than both of em
...combined
just kidding
@peak escarp
last inlet
Younger than both of them combined would be like younger than 30
finite urchin
they're underage, don't be gross
plus didnt lightning say the same?
peak escarp
I was saying it to everyone, not just you
peak escarp
if it was at you I would have replied to your post
finite urchin
k
wet portal
Why does winston become electrified in primal rage
finite urchin
It's just a visual effect.
not really, during the doomfist reveal he turned red
also, overwatch physics are just scuffed
so dont expect accuracies there
cerulean ice
not really, during the doomfist reveal he turned red
what does that prove
its literally just visual effect
finite urchin
what does that prove
well, i thought she meant ingame
like, how orisa turns gold
or, baptiste's lamp gives you a glow
you get it?
but like, winston? idk his red electricity is canon
not just a visual gaming affect
cerulean ice
you said overwatch physics is scuffed and then say thats canon?
its just a visual effect for his primal rage
to show hes rlly mad
finite urchin
you said overwatch physics is scuffed and then say thats canon?
? ? ? yeah overwatch physics is scuffed bc his red electricity is canon. Game isn't canon so those effects are understandable. However, you wont see a red glowing monkey irl.
therefore, overwatch science/physics are scuffed
cerulean ice
what the fuck are you saying
proud pike
finite urchin
its just a visual effect for his primal rage
yeah sure, but im saying to bornleverpuller not to expect realistic stuff
not to you
finite urchin
theres nothing more into it
ok so you just agreed to my point there
that overwatch science/physics are scuffed
@cerulean ice jesus christ what are you so confused about
im saying some stuff is just unrealistic without explanation
LMAO
@cerulean ice ur really known for being an asshole arent you
even in the valorant discord
"fuck you guys"
"wasnt talking to you"
"i dont think anyone remembered you"
limpid agate
@finite urchin It is just a visual effect. Don't get hostile because someone tells you an answer you do not like.
The cinematic team thought it would be cool to give Winston a lightning spark in his eyes when he went mad, there is no explanation for it.
It is just a visual effect.
finite urchin
<@!508668111273328670> It is just a visual effect. Don't get hostile because som...
i know it's just a visual effect, but I think? he's asking from a realistic standpoint
i just added not to expect realistic things from the game
also, it wasn't that he said an answer i didn't like
i didn't approve of how rude he was to me
finite urchin
what the fuck are you saying
citing this message in particular
wraith fulcrum
overwatch, more like overrated
worthy rose
No its not theres Reaper the most badass character so its underratted
peak escarp
if you don't like it why are you here?
worthy rose
Hes here to shit on it
worthy rose
overwatch, more like overrated
That's just ur opinion
tawdry bay
Anyone know if ow2 is gonna be cross platform?
peak escarp
the dev team is interested in the idea, but nothing has been announced
faint summit
Lore Question: I’m having a problem with a bit of Genji lore, so my knowledge is Mercy gave him the the cyber suit in the Classic skin, then he goes into blackwatch and he... downgrades??
peak escarp
the Blackwatch look came first
that was his first rebuilt body
then after Retribution, they upgrade him to his finished body
peak escarp
he's able to turn them on and off at will (we see it in Dragons)
hushed jetty
They're probably just. To be lights.
peak escarp
yeah
tawdry bay
he's able to turn them on and off at will (we see it in Dragons)
Ye to be stealthy
and why does his eyeballs get set on fire when he ults
Like hes semi super saiyan
tawdry bay
I think so
hushed jetty
For looking cool ingame
tawdry bay
Why are we going so deep into this lol
hushed jetty
I doubt that's how it works in lore
shut mason
Why does mercy only have 15 seconds of valk
If it’s part of her suit
Then she could go forever
worthy rose
@worthy rose @shut mason @peak escarp do you think that Lucio's sonic amplifier is based of real life sonic weapons ?
shut mason
Idk
worthy rose
Ok thanks
peak escarp
most likely it is
a lot of the tech in Overwatch are based on things that are in the very early stages of development now, like nanotechnology, cybernetics, black hole research, robotics, etc.
cosmic crest
If it is, it's in visual design for the weapon only.
There is no such thing as a sonic projectile.
peak escarp
the visual is for gameplay, so you can see where the damage is coming from
tame heart
Umm sound waves???
peak escarp
but there are sonic weapons irl, which are used for crowd supression
cosmic crest
A sound wave is not a projectile.
worthy rose
a lot of the tech in Overwatch are based on things that are in the very early st...
Oooh ok thanks for the informations
In Overwatch,we don't have:
-A dark matter weapon hero
-A nanobot gun hero
-An antimatter hero
-A centrifugal gun hero
-A combustion light gas gun hero
-A plasma-powered cannon hero
peak escarp
nanobots don't exist in Overwatch
or at least they've never been mentioned
I don't know what the rest of those are
worthy rose
Ah ok 👌
limpid agate
-A plasma-powered cannon hero
Its speculated Sojourn has a plasma rifle @worthy rose
Also, we will likely never see Dark Matter/Antimatter weapons
worthy rose
Its speculated Sojourn has a plasma rifle <@456226577798135808>
It's said that Sojourn has a railgun
worthy rose
Also, we will likely never see Dark Matter/Antimatter weapons
Oooh ok 👌
tawdry bay
nanobots don't exist in Overwatch
In mercys story thingy she mentions nano bots and how they help heal or something doesnt she
tawdry bay
It's said that Sojourn has a railgun
Its also said that her thighs could 1 shot a tank
peak escarp
“Science,” I said with a smile. “Much better than magic. Have you ever heard of nanobiotics?”
“Is it like... little machines?” She made a little motion like there was a cloud of flies.
“Not quite,” I said, feeling the momentary pang of disappointment that a technology that could have revolutionized healing around the world was basically unknown to most. But there were more important things. “I’ll explain it to you. But first we need to go to safety.”```she specifically explains that they aren't nanobots
it's nano-sized particles that accelerate healing
tawdry bay
Ok
rain star
ok so what are the particles or are they like echo beam
limpid agate
It's said that Sojourn has a railgun
Sojourn's alt fire is a railgun. Her primary is not.
Also, railguns in these kinds of games traditionally use the same ammo as plasma armaments.
tawdry bay
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanoparticle
Yeah I'm not reading that
peak escarp
you can get the gist from the preview
tawdry bay
Sojourn's alt fire is a railgun. Her primary is not.
Her primary is like soldier but her secondary is like a fat charge
peak escarp
nanoparticles are tiny particles
tawdry bay
Her primary is like soldier but her secondary is like a fat charge
She's gonna be so op when she first comes out
Like op as in the first brig
limpid agate
Soldier's primary is like Bastion's primary.
Soldier shoots pulse munitions.
Bastion shoots bullets.
Gameplay != Lore
proud pike
She's gonna be so op when she first comes out
Quake
limpid agate
1 - This channel doesn't care if something is "OP at launch" or not. This is the lore channel.
2 - Even if it did care, launch Brig doesn't even crack the top 5 strongest heroes historically. And 3 of those are launch versions of heroes too.
tawdry bay
ok sorry
worthy rose
Its also said that her thighs could 1 shot a tank
Oooh ok thanks for telling me
worthy rose
Sojourn's alt fire is a railgun. Her primary is not.
Ah ok thanks for telling me
worthy rose
Also, railguns in these kinds of games traditionally use the same ammo as plasma...
Oh ok thanks for the information
limpid agate
Its also said that her thighs could 1 shot a tank
Her thighs cannot 1 shot a tank, do not shitpost.
tawdry bay
I thought that was clear, it wouldn't make sense for thighs to one shot a tank, there's just a lot of memes about how massive sojourns thighs were
finite urchin
I thought that was clear, it wouldn't make sense for thighs to one shot a tank, ...
dont worry, it's bc everyone in the lore channel takes things seriously
aaaand they dont joke
peak escarp
this channel is for serious discussion, and is labeled as such
it is not the place for jokes
sick siren
I really want Symmetra to have a Wanda Maximoff-esque moment in OW2
Just a sheer show of how powerful she really is
restive flower
she would show off how powerful vishkar's hard light tech is
restive flower
by any chance, do we know what barriers are made out of
peak escarp
probably hard light
restive flower
yeah thats what i was thinking
peak escarp
they are visually consistent with Symmetra's barriers, which we know are hard light
restive flower
might be a gameplay thing
peak escarp
they look like that in the shorts though
lyric sluice
nice purple doc!
also i was thnking was the lore in ow2 a little differnt each time a mission was played with different heroes
cerulean ice
might be a gameplay thing
all shields are the same and look the same
lyric sluice
hard light maybe
cerulean ice
apart from personal shields which we dont know if its actual hardlight (ex doom, ball, shield health)
young knoll
not much else it could be
peak escarp
also i was thnking was the lore in ow2 a little differnt each time a mission was...
the dialogue in the mission will change depending on the hero
lyric sluice
oh so that all that would change
what about the intros and outros tho
thats a lot of possibilites
unless they limit the hero pool
peak escarp
you can see a bit of this in Storm Rising/Retribution - if a hero is incapacitated when they're supposed to say a line, another hero will fill it in
peak escarp
the intros/outros are prerendered, so they can't alter those
lyric sluice
the intros/outros are prerendered, so they can't alter those
so it would just show like the situation/badguys then?
peak escarp
for example, in Retribution, when Fio says where to meet her Reyes is supposed to answer
but if he's not there (incapacitated or the player dropped), McCree will answer
peak escarp
I imagine for OW2 the same conversations might happen regardless of the heroes present
you'll just get different replies
lyric sluice
oh
peak escarp
we have some interactions like that, like Ana's "youth is truly wasted on the young" can be answered by Lucio, Tracer or D.Va
lyric sluice
oh lol ive only heard it with dva
lol that reminds me my favorite interaction is between rein and widow
widow says something about glory and honor
and rein says something abt going into battle with a jumpsuit
peak escarp
lyric sluice
oh nice
lyric sluice
could you pull one with rein and widow too
lyric sluice
yup i hear this in my sleep 
peak escarp
having dialogue change when different heroes are present gives you the incentive to play through story missions multiple times with different heroes
tawdry bay
apart from personal shields which we dont know if its actual hardlight (ex doom,...
The shields with rein orisa sym and sig r called barriers i think, and shields like hammand and doom (add on to the health) are called shields
sand barn
Do we have bastion's new look yet?
peak escarp
peak escarp
it has Torbjorn's cap
tawdry bay
I wish Ganymede got new look
tawdry bay
Wait what did bastion do to torb??
tawdry bay
Wait what
sand barn
Didn't he find bastion in binary? Or was it a different one
peak escarp
yes
sand barn
So i remember lore correctly lel
peak escarp
tawdry bay
Since when did torb become so grumpy
I can just imagine him sitting on a moving platform with his turret dancing
peak escarp
he's always been grumpy
tawdry bay
The dancing torbs in my lobbies say otherwise
peak escarp
that doesn't represent his character very well
just like Moira isn't an anime nerd who Naruto runs
tawdry bay
Lol
cerulean ice
The shields with rein orisa sym and sig r called barriers i think, and shields l...
its correct either way
proud pike
It seems to me that Torb likes Bastion, just doesn't want to show it to it
young knoll
pretty sure he didn't like the omnics he had to fight against very much
considering how mass murdery and whatnot they were
uneven crypt
He’s grumpy bc his “turrets under fire”
tawdry bay
Maybe hes trying to set up his turrets with a non murdery robot thingy
empty inlet
I can't upload images due to permissions, however ---- anyone know who the blonde is sitting with Santa clause in Comic #10, Page 10?
Is that Mercy? 😄
empty inlet
Oh snap, his wife is pretty short then lol
peak escarp
empty inlet
Yea that 😛
empty inlet
Damm, that picture of reaper watching his wife and kid with a new man x.x sad
peak escarp
people with dwarfism often have a normally proportioned torso but short limbs
empty inlet
Aha
peak escarp
so a dwarf sitting next to a normal person would look the same height
empty inlet
aha his feet are dangling XD
limpid agate
Damm, that picture of reaper watching his wife and kid with a new man x.x sad
Might not be his wife
It might be his son or daughter
Its hard to tell what age they are supposed to be, the art is rather inconsistent in that comic
Unfortunately.
empty inlet
ty xD
peak escarp
my guess is that it's his daughter with her husband and son, but that's just a guess
no evidence either way
cosmic crest
my guess is that it's his daughter with her husband and son, but that's just a g...
I thought the same thing.
worthy rose
Damm, that picture of reaper watching his wife and kid with a new man x.x sad
Ikr Reaper has the saddest and most tragic backstory
peak escarp
Mei's is sadder
faint ember
Mei's is sadder
No
peak escarp
she was the only survivor of the arctic base and had to see her friends and colleagues frozen to death in their cryochambers
Mei has the most tragic backstory by far
faint ember
Um no
Reaper died and then was brought back to life and has to kill people to stay alive
peak escarp
he did not die
people can't be brought back to life
resurrect is just a gameplay mechanic
all of Reyes' suffering was self-inflicted
tawdry bay
Reaper died and then was brought back to life and has to kill people to stay ali...
When was he brought back to life hes not a vampire
Hes just
That one special kid
peak escarp
he was not brought back to life
tawdry bay
Ye
faint ember
Yes he was
peak escarp
source?
limpid agate
@faint ember @tawdry bay Reaper never died.
tawdry bay
Who would bring him back to life
peak escarp
he gained his wraith powers from Moira
tawdry bay
<@!754329782778331197> <@!755831258956955841> Reaper never died.
Ye ik but we were saying he was never resurrected
peak escarp
tawdry bay
You're really good with these sources
peak escarp
it's kinda my thing
tawdry bay
You know your shit i wont mess with u
tawdry bay
So was reaper always evil or was it cuz of his powers
faint ember
He died in the fight with s76 when the Swiss headquarters exploded and then Moira brought him back to life but her tech was not as good as mercy’s so he became the life stealer
peak escarp
He died in the fight with s76 when the Swiss headquarters exploded and then Moir...
he did not die
tawdry bay
He died in the fight with s76 when the Swiss headquarters exploded and then Moir...
Excuse me wat
Where are you getting all this i want some
faint ember
From the comics
peak escarp
he survived the explosion because of his wraith powers
faint ember
he survived the explosion because of his wraith powers
No he didn’t
iron plume
yes he did
iron plume
He already had them before the Fall
limpid agate
We know he didn't die.
We know he survived
If you want to say otherwise, the burden of proof lies on the claim
peak escarp
Reyes had Moira experiment on him because of some genetic issue he was having, and she gave him wraith powers - these wraith powers allowed him to survive the explosion
no hero has died and come back
limpid agate
There is an argument to be made for Orisa.
But Orisa technically did not exist yet when her OR15 shell was slain
That is the only hero the argument can be made for.
worthy rose
Mei's is sadder
I'd rather lose all my family and friends than suffer in eternal agony
And have to live with an ugly ass face
peak escarp
we don't know what his face looks like
valid terrace
Reyes literally hunts his old coworkers for nothing more than spite
peak escarp
she was shocked
valid terrace
As opposed to seeking actual medical help he probably prefers suffering
peak escarp
he was still recognizable
valid terrace
He's kind of dramatic that way
worthy rose
As opposed to seeking actual medical help he probably prefers suffering
That sounds a lot like Vader lol
peak escarp
Reaper has nobody but himself to blame for his suffering
valid terrace
He might feel like he deserves it
valid terrace
Yeah but his wellbeing isn't her priority
peak escarp
he could have gone to someone else
why didn't he get Mercy to help with his genetic issues?
valid terrace
If she could cure him at the cost of his powers she likely wouldn't
covert echo
moria is a geneticist right?
covert echo
So "technically" moira would be a go-to for genetic issues
worthy rose
I mean even if it is his fault he still deserves sympathy
peak escarp
I don't think Reaper deserves as much sympathy as Mei
worthy rose
I think suffering eternal agony is way way worse than merely losing friends
valid terrace
It was one very traumatic event
worthy rose
Well maybe not eternity but at least a lifetime
peak escarp
Mei hasn't physically suffered
she suffered emotionally
valid terrace
Yes
peak escarp
probably even traumatized
covert echo
Mei dealt with it pretty well. Reaper...well is reaper
worthy rose
And she got over it anyways
peak escarp
she didn't get over it
valid terrace
But I wouldn't classify that above what Reaper went through
peak escarp
moving on is not getting over it
valid terrace
He lost people and suffers physical agony hardly describable
worthy rose
If Reaper is immortal then hes gonna suffer for all eternity even when the last star dies
valid terrace
The only caveat is that he actively makes it worse
peak escarp
he's not immortal
valid terrace
None of the human characters are
worthy rose
Losing loved ones is normal.Having your organs degenerating and regenerating constantly is just torturing
valid terrace
He just seems invulnerable is the difference
Yes
They are two pains on different base levels
They aren't one to one comparable
worthy rose
Reaper would have to be tough as fuck to endure this kinda pain
valid terrace
Having 1 singular traumatic event that you only woke up to see the aftermath of isn't quite the same as watching those people get killed in front of you while they are still conscious. Nor is it as bad as repeated emotional attacks that prevent any recovery.
peak escarp
watching those people get killed in front of you while they are still conscious.
valid terrace
I'm not saying Reaper has either of those scenarios either I'm just putting it in perspective
valid terrace
Like in a warzone or active attack
They essentially died in their sleep and Mei woke up
There have been much more traumatic ways to lose everyone you know
peak escarp
how is this relevant to the argument?
Reaper didn't lose everyone he knew
Mei lost her friends/coworkers and 9 years of her life
valid terrace
She has recovered quite well from it, Mei isn't the kind of person to feel bad for herself, it just hurts to remember them or think about it.
peak escarp
that doesn't change the fact that it happened
and was extremely tragic
recovery doesn't negate tragedy
valid terrace
If the situation was swapped and Reaper woke up to his dead colleagues, and Mei was the one in a state of bodily decay, I feel like the physical agony would still prove to be the harder situation to work through
Therefore more tragic
peak escarp
I disagree
valid terrace
For a bridge between emotional and physical here I would say having all your friends die would be like having your legs blown off
You'd never really get over it but you'd adapt to the situation as best you could
Having what essentially feels like your body is melting in acid would be like knowing everyone you care about is alive somewhere being actively tortured with nothing you can do about it
You could never really get over it and it might even drive you to madness
worthy rose
I'd rather experience grief that is a lot shorter than experience feeling like my organs are being ripped apart
peak escarp
I don't think you can equate emotional and physical pain like that
they're completely different
valid terrace
In that case there's no way of saying which is more traumatic
peak escarp
also, we have no idea what Reaper is experiencing
he claims to be suffering, but it might be managable
he could be medicating and not feel it
valid terrace
Given his condition and mental state, it's likely severe, but yes he could be managing it
peak escarp
I'm just saying in my opinion that Mei's situation is more tragic than Reaper's
worthy rose
Eh I guess we can agree to not agree
cerulean ice
no
valid terrace
At the end of the day that's pretty much all you can do
It's not really a quantifiable question
peak escarp
right
worthy rose
Its hard to really say I guess since we never experience what they did
valid terrace
Yeah
worthy rose
No one cares about Briggette
peak escarp
she had a happy childhood surrounded by family and got to go on adventures with her beloved godfather
valid terrace
Least tragic so far
worthy rose
If anything f you Brigette
valid terrace
Hammond is also pretty clean in terms of trauma
peak escarp
eh, Hammond still went through the Horizon ape uprising, even if he wasn't a participant
valid terrace
He kind of solved all of his issues and hasn't shown any feelings toward the negatives
peak escarp
there's a smidgen of tragedy there
valid terrace
Yeah
peak escarp
also he's had to hide the fact that he's a hamster
valid terrace
True lol
I wonder if the junkers would be excited for the oddity of it or if they'd try to eat kill him
peak escarp
hamsters are illegal in Australia
peak escarp
as a pet
cerulean ice
either?
peak escarp
they're an invasive species, so they're banned
cosmic crest
I don't think the Junkers are the sort to follow the law tbf.
lyric sluice
Damm, that picture of reaper watching his wife and kid with a new man x.x sad
wait i thought thats rein and brigette and torb?
lyric sluice
they're an invasive species, so they're banned
ya i shudder to think of invading balls
too many
peak escarp
wait i thought thats rein and brigette and torb?
they're talking about this image
lyric sluice
they're talking about this image
ohhhhh
how did i not see that
maybe reyes is watching the guy 
unreal tartan
That’s possible
It’s also possible that one of them is his kid
*One of the adults
cosmic crest
A little.
Reyes is 58.
I think Morrison's age is listed as "early to mid fifties"
Actually I think it was "mid to late fifties"
At least is says so on the wiki.
idk about an official source.
limpid agate
@cosmic crest Back in 2016, they said he was only a couple years younger than Reyes
But it was a non-recorded panel and the only source that transcribed it self-destructed
cosmic crest
I see.
empty inlet
I thought tracer needed her chest equipment to live? in the one comic, she takes it off
worn island
it only needs to be nearby to stabilise her, it's just convenient to have attatched to her
empty inlet
Ooo tyty
lyric sluice
it emits a field
ohhh
lyric sluice
here i was thinking that their aparment was lined with like anti-get-lost-in-the void-cuz-u-fucking-crashed-a high-tech-telepoter-plane-laser thingys
like in i robot
valid terrace
Monke Sweater
valid terrace
It's probably how Athena can monitor his vitals, and possibly a comm piece as well
Also Athena isn't drinking wine lol
lyric sluice
lol ik
and also thanks that makes sense
"athena i told u to stop montiroing my vitals"
lol luv stubborn robots
valid terrace
Yeah
limpid agate
Yes
peak escarp
greetings
tawdry bay
Good after evening
pliant sparrow
Winston really is massive for a gorilla huh
tawdry bay
I mean Reinhardt really is massive for a human huh
cerulean ice
7' people exist
i dont know how really big gorillas are but if otherwise, then thats because of his gene modification
amber dawn
true
placid bramble
olive steeple
bruh winston monkey banana took steroids and is now jacked and 9 feet tall
tawdry bay
I mean regular gorillas dont talk
So
This game is mostly based on fiction mixed with science
Apart from hanzo idek about that guy
sharp pebble
limpid agate
!!shitposting @sharp pebble
twilit nacelleBOT
@sharp pebble Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
worthy rose
He's not magic either even though he's super powerful
tawdry bay
Hanzo is the same
How is hanzo not magic
Theres not a single piece of tech on him
Or in him
limpid agate
Other than his bow, his arrows, and his tattoo.
tawdry bay
Dragon comes out of no where
tawdry bay
Other than his bow, his arrows, and his tattoo.
His tattoo's tech??
Wait was @sharp pebble banned
limpid agate
1 - Blizz has confirmed already there is no magic in Overwatch. They explicitly confirmed this using Hanzo as an example.
2 - He has quite a bit of tech. The Scatter Arrow and Sonar Arrow are the most obvious examples of it.
3 - His Dragon behaves and appears almost identically with Symmetra's hard light orbs.
terse oar
A principle in Overwatch’s world is that there is no magic
tawdry bay
I mean theres no magic but theres basics magic everywhere just disguised by all the scientific diseases and stuff
Its actually imoressive how they do that
Like have no magic in but still make heroes with cool abilities
cosmic crest
What?
empty inlet
So anyone else realize that Overwatch is essentially the concept of Terminator, except the AI was beaten and wasn't fully destroyed? 😄
minus time traveling robots of course
empty inlet
Aha fair enough 😄
tawdry bay
I mean zenyattas basically hippy peaceful T-800
limpid agate
No he isn't.
clear yoke
Robot uprisings are a common sci-fi trope.
true
cursive arrow
so these dragon spirits are literal souls of dragons that only a shimada can control and not a form of magic, that only raises more questions, but does this imply the existence of dragons is an actual thing!?
but somehow went extinct
cursive arrow
physical holograms you can unleash with a arrow?
peak escarp
something like that
there is a scientific explanation for them, we just don't know what it is
cursive arrow
hopefully we get something that sheds more light on what it is in the near future, like a new comic or something like that
cerulean ice
irrelevant and i think theyll avoid it. atleast i think so when the dragons being hardlight isnt rlly convincing even if its a sci fi lol
worthy rose
@peak escarp are you all seeing or something? Every time I come on here and check the server you're here fact checking everyone and it's awesome
peak escarp
I am only here for the lore
worthy rose
Lmao. You sure do know your Overwatch tho
worthy rose
Lmao. You are the Overwatch God
tawdry bay
Lmao
terse vigil
How about sigma
Imo he’s got one of the best origin story’s
Plus his voice actor is insane
proud pike
ngl, i prefer Russian VA for Sigma
Original one is cool tho
And... Its all about opinions, but I dont find it "one of the best origin story"
Yeah, it's good
terse vigil
Who’s do u like
proud pike
For me the best one's is DoomFist's
Draw-style. Story in general. Animation
Again - it's all about different opinions.
terse vigil
Oh yh I agree
In terms of animation doomfists was really good
But like in terms of the depth of it Idk who’s the best
tawdry bay
Ye i love the doomfist animations vs winston and tracer and stuff that was rlly well made
terse vigil
Yh exactly
uneven glade
terse vigil
😂
worthy rose
All of the falling noises for the characters are..... Interesting......
red kite
Watch the zero hour animation on youtube
tawdry bay
scream ya demon
That got dark
iron plume
she
worthy rose
Petition to make @peak escarp the official overwatch spokesperson
peak escarp
nothing official about me
worthy rose
With your knowledge. At this point you know more then the actual blizzard employees
peak escarp
debatable
worthy rose
Eh
peak escarp
I would hope that the people who wrote the lore would know it better than me
worthy rose
Yeah. But still, in one of the blizzcon voice panels. Echos voice actor does not know about her character, and you can tell
terse oar
I think that’s a different case than the actual developers
peak escarp
I dislike the gaps in information
there's a lot of unknowns
also having a hamster as a specimen on a simian research project is stupid
but at least it makes sense in-universe
arctic loom
well exist other specimen on that lunar base
we dont know yet
like how shows on that screen
on spawn of attack team
hammond and winston missing
peak escarp
the other specimens are all apes
robust dune
wait there is lore?
worthy rose
Yeah. I don't really have anything I hate in the lore. I just wish the they would make the people who voice the characters or animate it have some crash course sorta thing in the lore
arctic loom
i just wanted to see more about the omnic war
worthy rose
Same
arctic loom
how it ended
worthy rose
Yeah. They don't give much context on it
robust dune
everyone died
arctic loom
and how started
robust dune
thats it
worthy rose
I mean, it started cuz the omnics started producing more of themselves when they started being shut down
But not many specific detail
worthy rose
Yeah. I don't really have anything I hate in the lore. I just wish the they woul...
Why does it matter?
frosty shell
The last straw was the explosion that "killed" Reyes and Morrison
But Antonio's death was the beginning of the end
worthy rose
Black watch was doing illegal stuff
frosty shell
yeah
worthy rose
Why does it matter?
Because half the voice actors don't know their own characters lore. Especially Echos voice actor. Except Matthew Mercer, he's always good
peak escarp
the VAs don't need to know the lore
arctic loom
yeah
peak escarp
they just say the lines
arctic loom
not good give spoilers
worthy rose
Why does it matter to know their characters lore?As long as they do their job it matters not
peak escarp
and I thought Echo's VA did fine
worthy rose
I'm not saying it's bad. I know. I'd just appreciate some sorta talking about it though. And yes, Echos VA did fine. She just had one part where she was making a reference to something that didn't exist
arctic loom
from all echo is the one who have
so many lines
and going keep having more and more with new heroes
coming
worthy rose
I know
frosty shell
also having a hamster as a specimen on a *simian* research project is stupid
I still don't think this is a big problem, though I get that it's weird; I figured they tested new iterations of their genetic modifications on hamsters first
peak escarp
I'm not saying it's bad. I know. I'd just appreciate some sorta talking about it...
that's called improv
worthy rose
Yeah. I'm not saying their bad.
worthy rose
that's called improv
Ik what improve is. It was a reference to a ability she used that echo doesn't have
arctic loom
btw doctor i remember you didnt liked london calling
peak escarp
I still don't think this is a big problem, though I get that it's weird; I figur...
but Hammond is younger than Winston
frosty shell
I know, but Hammond's modifications might be more advanced
peak escarp
Ik what improve is. It was a reference to a ability she used that echo doesn't h...
it was a joke for the improv, it wasnt meant to be taken seriously
frosty shell
Given that he's almost human level intelligence starting from being a hamster
worthy rose
it was a joke for the improv, it wasnt meant to be taken seriously
Cool cool. Sorry
peak escarp
of course I am
worthy rose
that artbook?
I'm broke from sewing, so no lol
peak escarp
we've already had so many sneak peeks
worthy rose
Yeah. Just no release date
worthy rose
Who knows. The Overwatch schedule is chaotic
frosty shell
Given that he's almost human level intelligence starting from being a hamster
but then again Winston is smarter than most humans
peak escarp
Hammond seems like he was an experiment done on someone's pet just for laughs
arctic loom
well he saved tracer
worthy rose
Which sucks
peak escarp
which is irresponsible
worthy rose
Die Trasher for being annoying
I don't think Tracer has an actual origin story from the official overwatch channel. Ik there's one, but it isn't from Blizzard
peak escarp
it is from Blizzard
peak escarp
it was shown at Blizzcon in 2014
worthy rose
Yeah, which is weird that they didn't upload it to their channel
peak escarp
it's just not on the official channel for some reason
worthy rose
Yeah
peak escarp
the only launch heroes with origin stories are Tracer, Soldier, and the Junkers
worthy rose
Yeah, they aren't in alot of detail tho
worthy rose
Yeah
worthy rose
Yeah. He lived during the time where there were lots of explosions. He could be seriously burnt or scarred
Especially where he lived, when omnics started attacking
worthy rose
Yeah
worthy rose
Yeah
peak escarp
they went on a worldwide crime spree, stealing treasure to bribe their way back into Junkertown so they could get revenge on the Queen for kicking them out
before that, Roadhog used to be an enforcer for the queen, and was also a member of the Australian Liberation Front, who were responsible for blowing up the omnium that became Junkertown
we know less about Junkrat, whose main claim to fame is a secret that he found deep in the omnium that everyone thinks is a valuable treasure