the attacks
#lore-discussion
last inlet
Honestly, I gotta wonder what made the omnics decide to design a unit that way
orchid swan
is it ever mentioned in lore how the german crusaders got so huge?
orchid swan
ah ok
cause i was wondering if they're born huge or if they got genetically enhanced
peak escarp
the only genetically enhanced soldiers we know of are from the American Soldier Enhancement Program
iron plume
I doubt it's genetic
but they may well have given them something to bulk up
We don't have confirmations either way though
cosmic crest
What do you mean?
What do you mean?
The SEP is a key part of Morrison and Reyes's backstory.
iron plume
The germans are unlikely to be genetically enhanced
but they may be artificially "boosted" in other ways
orchid swan
Germans in OW lore are just built different
cosmic crest
Oh, you said so directly after Doc so I thought you where talking about Morrison and Reyes.
austere meteor
they should have saved Echo for OW2
lyric sluice
the i would be without main lmao
peak escarp
they should have saved Echo for OW2
why?
austere meteor
more hype
peak escarp
but there's plenty of heroes coming for OW2
last inlet
People would hate that
They hate that there's no heroes coming after her until OW2
Imagine if they had to wait that much longer
arctic loom
well... mostly like they will focus this year
fully on ow 2
and just going give new cosmetics
from events
so we can consider kanezaka the last map of ''ow 1''
''Heroes being made right now are using OW2’s engine and tools, and cannot be released in the current game (when asked if Sojourn shouldn’t be released now, since she’s finished)''
so i believe all the new maps are using the new engine too
lucid crater
Honestly they can take all the time they need, they are obviously putting a lot of effort and love into it, so I can wait a year
The people who are being whiny need 2 realize how hard it is to animate and make a good story
arctic loom
after i saw how much they doing
and seeing going be a hundred of missions
i can wait
dire zodiac
i just love seeing the process and the storyboards and everything
im super excited to see the finished product
cosmic arch
Was reaper dying when Moira did what she did on him, and if so does the lore say why? I just heard an interaction between reaper and moira, where reaper gave out about what moira did to him, and moira said "No need to thank me, I only saved your life".
iron plume
We don't know if he was dying, but he had problems with his genetic alteration from the SEP program and his condition was getting worse
sand barn
What heroes do we have new looks of?
dire zodiac
tracer, reinhardt, mei, mercy, genji, widow, mccree, reaper, pharah
cerulean ice
+bastion, torb
dim horizon
And fuzzy blink-in-the-background possible looks for Sombra and Baptiste.
cerulean ice
theyre just silhouettes so i wouldnt count it
dire zodiac
+bastion, torb
Oh yh
lyric sluice
i hope that echo will have redesign but she wont will she :😔
peak escarp
not sure anymore
we used to get them reliably at Blizzcon, but they didn't this year
lyric sluice
maybe sometime july?
lyric sluice
we used to get them reliably at Blizzcon, but they didn't this year
ya i was so disapointed
peak escarp
it was the one thing that disappointed me
lyric sluice
ya but blizz did its job im am totally getting the game now
that audio bit blew me away
and that we have dynamic maps
terse oar
My guess as to why we didn’t get a cinematic this year is, like everything else, the cinematic team is working on OW2
They said how there would be cinematic intros in the story
golden pewter
I am sad we didn't get a short but I'm sure they've got something in store. What hero would you want to see with a short next? I think pharah would be super cool
cosmic crest
I would love a Pharah short. It would be great to get some context as to why she's leaving Helix to Join Neo Overwatch.
golden pewter
That would be nice! I think if they were able to id love a flashback of her and Ana as well or maybe even present day that would be sweet 😊
karmic shore
widow has the best lore in the game change my mind 🙂
I hope we can kill her husband in ow2
LOL that sounds terrible
i really hope they have a single player campaign along with co-op.
iron plume
Her husband is already dead
peak escarp
I dont think we'll get any missions set in the past
karmic shore
I hope that we can explore the past of the heros 😦
peak escarp
also Gerard was killed in his sleep
tardy silo
is zen responsible for any heros (or villans) other than genji and tracer?
valid terrace
Zen isn't responsible for Tracer
iron plume
He's only "responsible" for Genji
valid terrace
Yeah
iron plume
Tracer hasn't met him yet
valid terrace
And he is now friends with Symmetra
iron plume
He recently met Symmetra in the story Stone by Stone
tardy silo
well, he is reponsible for genji, who was the one to teach tracer how to fight
tardy silo
oh, it was?
valid terrace
Yes Genji found Zen after leaving Overwatch
Likely after the Doomfist encounter left him broken again
tardy silo
i thought genji went on the strike mission, , found zen, joined overwatch, then trained tracer
peak escarp
wrong order
iron plume
Genji met Zen after Overwatch was shut down
valid terrace
It's strike mission, trained Tracer, joined Overwatch, found Zen
Assuming you mean Retribution
And not Storm Rising
viral lintel
valid terrace
Storm Rising is between Overwatch and Zen
tardy silo
also, what is zen's relation to mondatta?
valid terrace
They were both monks of the Shambali
viral lintel
valid terrace
But they had different methods of spreading their message so Zen left
tardy silo
dont they have the same last name of something?
iron plume
Tekharta is a title
valid terrace
Tekharta I think
iron plume
not a name
valid terrace
Yeah
valid terrace
In Omniums
peak escarp
in a factory
valid terrace
Yes essentially
tardy silo
dont they all have different personalities?
tardy silo
how many god programs are know? i know there is athena, i know there is the one in egypt
peak escarp
Athena is not a god program
tardy silo
it isnt?
valid terrace
There is only the one as far as we know
peak escarp
there's only Anubis
tardy silo
ok
peak escarp
Athena was made by Dr. Liao
tardy silo
i was confused about that, but athena not being one makes sense
peak escarp
she's basically Echo's older sister
peak escarp
The Iris is what the Shambali believe in
tardy silo
but what is it?
opaque tundra
have you read stone by stone?
peak escarp
it hasn't been explained
opaque tundra
i strongly recommend that you read sbs
tardy silo
i just put 2 and 2 together
i just realised that the woman sent to help the village was symmetra
that was going to be one of my questions
lyric sluice
I hope we can kill her husband in ow2
if blizzard doesnt fucking hire u imma cry that is idea is actually a great idea lol
like its like one of those dark choice games
like detriot become human
or life is trange
lyric sluice
The Shambali believe Aurora gave them all free thought
what if auroa will be another hero?
peak escarp
not likely
lyric sluice
not likely
ya isnt she dead
peak escarp
Aurora isnt around anymore
peak escarp
she transcended and became one with the iris
peak escarp
Zen's ult is a reference to that
peak escarp
probably
lyric sluice
was the iris on sombras web
i think sombra will play a huge part in ow2
since like the conspiracy connected everything
limpid agate
We don't know what that was
lyric sluice
oh so i could be a bunch of crap
and sombra crazy
wait wasnt she found out tho
so she trying to find oht who found out abt her
limpid agate
Something saw her, and she panicked
limpid agate
She thinks it controls the world because it knows everything, and that's what she would do if she knew everything
The two are probably related in some capacity
lyric sluice
makes sense
peak escarp
coukd be two very different reactions to the same thing
one reacts with reverence, the other reacts with fear and paranoia
arctic loom
so
we getting possible news on march or april
like jeff said right?
we might or not get
lyric sluice
hate waiting lmao
peak escarp
not much we can do about it
worthy rose
Overwatch has always been slow when it comes to releasing things
peak escarp
the patience is worth it
worthy rose
Sure hope so.London Calling was pretty meh so I hope OW 2 is better
tardy silo
what started the rebelion that lucio led, i mean the buissness doesnt seem so bad from the other stories i have seen it in
limpid agate
ok, thank you
so lucio, stole from them, attacked them, and tryed to chase them out, for no good reason
iron plume
how did you get “for no good reason” out of “corporate dictatorship”?
tardy silo
well they started trying to make a better society, a new one, an orderly one
and lucio leads a raid and attacks them
peak escarp
orderly by being oppressive and restrictive
peak escarp
restrictions to that degree are a bad thing
tardy silo
why?
peak escarp
because people like freedom
it's also a right in a lot of places, one that private companies can't legally infringe on
tardy silo
so you should give everyone what they like?
also what restriction are you talking about in saying that it is a right
limpid agate
enforcing curfews
This is one.
They are not an authority with the power to do that legally
But they did it anyways, not unlike a gang would.
cracking down on what the company perceived as lawless behavior
Again, enforcing laws that are not laws.
Someone rolls up to your neighbourhood, says that anyone who makes a noise in their home after 10PM gets evicted.
Your dog starts barking, you get evicted.
Your baby starts crying you get evicted
tardy silo
it depends what the laws are, if the area is a buissness run government then it is perfectly fine
limpid agate
Examples, not actual things Vishkar may or may not ahve done.
Its not a business run government
tardy silo
also, they bought the land
limpid agate
They did not
tardy silo
well, the rights to renovate it
limpid agate
Yes.
peak escarp
they didnt buy the land, they had a contract to renovate the neighborhood
limpid agate
Not rights to enforce their own laws.
peak escarp
which doesn't give then the right to enslave the people who live there
tardy silo
so they are trying to renovate it, they need to enforce things aroud the work area
limpid agate
Or exploit the locals for labourors paid at or below minimum wage.
Its not the work area
peak escarp
and exploiting the populace as a cheap labor force.
tardy silo
and what were the laws of minimum wage in the area?
limpid agate
So lets suppose a new company comes into your neighbourhood.
You're not allowed to leave the house between 7PM and 7AM anymore.
tardy silo
and offers low paying jobs
limpid agate
You're not allowed to use the internet anymore.
And if you want to live there, you need to work for them. They only pay minimum wage.
peak escarp
or less
limpid agate
And that's not free housing either, you still need to pay for housing.
tardy silo
twhere does it say that they werent able to use the internet?
limpid agate
I'm giving you an example
peak escarp
it's a hypothetical
limpid agate
The internet is being perceived as lawless behaviour in this hypothetical
No specific was given
tardy silo
also, where does it say that they forced people to work for them
limpid agate
that's what it means by "exploiting"
limpid agate
That's quite literally what that means.
tardy silo
so they killed everyone?
peak escarp
no
tardy silo
i dobut they starved them
i dobut they made the fire fighters stop their jobs
i dobut they made the police
limpid agate
i dobut they made the police
Again.
cracking down on what the company perceived as lawless behavior
peak escarp
tardy silo
i just relised that I have been spelling doubt wrong
limpid agate
Laws that are not laws.
Its like if Walmart entered your neighbourhood, and said that anything not purchased from Walmart is now illegal.
If you buy something not from Walmart, its confescated and you are fined
As a hypothetical
tardy silo
what does vishkar do?
limpid agate
Development
Vishkar is also responsible for burning down the Favelas, as seen in A Better World.
tardy silo
so i am guessing they werent selling food and goods (un related to your hypothetical)
limpid agate
Although that was more specifically Sanjay.
Who gives a shit what the example is
The example is simply:
It could be anything from a death sentence for Jaywalking to fining you for wearing pink.
What the example is, is not important.
tardy silo
where exactly is lucio from?
tardy silo
he could have used his power to try and work with vishkar
he was a world wide musician
limpid agate
He wasn't.
His rebellion is what made him famous
Lúcio's leadership made him a star overnight and a symbol for positive social change. His music skyrocketed in popularity. Whereas he had once performed locally, he was now filling arenas across the world```He is seen as a hero by the whole world.
tardy silo
oh, i thought that he was before
limpid agate
So again, using that example.
Let's say that Walmart comes in and bans all non-Walmart products, or Vishkar moves in and puts a death sentence on Jogging.
Are you okay with that?
tardy silo
no, because they would be insane, but we know that vishkar isnt
iron plume
we don't
tardy silo
they have shown levels of care for people
iron plume
Or not jogging
but, say, singing songs in the square
that say "this shit is not okay"
limpid agate
Or eating in public.
Its seen as impolite in some cultures.
Brazil is not one of those.
tardy silo
where is vishkar's home base?
iron plume
India
tardy silo
is it seen a disrespectful there?
limpid agate
I don't know about specifically that. Instead maybe I should just say that all people living there are forced to eat vegetarian.
India has an extremely high vegetarian population
So now meat is banned in the favela
Or cutlery.
tardy silo
never does it say that they forced their religion onto the people
limpid agate
Its not religion
tardy silo
it stems from it
limpid agate
It is hard to find a tradition that is not drawn from religion. Most music genres stemmed from religious ceremony, or from genres that stemmed from religious ceremony. And even then, there are many many many many vegetarians who are not vegetarian for religious reasons, but instead others.
It doesn't matter the "what"
These are examples
It sounds to me like you are just picking the path of "Well, if its a law I don't personally care about, then Vishkar did nothing wrong."
The example is irrelevant.
The law could be that anyone who said the word "antiquing" at precisely 11:42 would be put on a boat and sent into the Atlantic Ocean
It obviously isn't.
It doesn't matter what the example is.
tardy silo
if the law negatively impacts the people more than it can benifit them then it is unjust, unless the law is paving the way for something better, then you must take into account the good it will bring
limpid agate
It could be that anyone who is outdoors just having a conversation with someone in the park is now considered to be "loitering"
The law was considered unjust
That's why there was rebellion
limpid agate
And not just that
iron plume
The only source we have for that is Vishkar themselves
tardy silo
keep in mind i am not saying that vishkar was just in their actions, im saying that lucio wasn't
iron plume
to them, "something better" is more people to exploit
limpid agate
What, exactly and specifically, is your argument
tardy silo
we will never know what they meant, because lucio chased them away
limpid agate
What, exactly and specifically, is your argument
tardy silo
What, exactly and specifically, is your argument
that lucio shouldnt have rebeled
tardy silo
he could have just stayed there and dealt with it, he could have talked to a higher force about it, he could have done many things
iron plume
"Staying there and dealing with it" means you and your entire community staying oppressed
A random person from the favelas "talking to a higher force" isn't likely to be listened to more than a multinational company
tardy silo
a community about what was met with multi national outrage
iron plume
ask the Uighurs about how that's working out for them
plenty of outrage over that
Nothing gets done.
young knoll
can't really stop the chinese government
iron plume
It's the most obvious example but it's far from the only one
public outrage only does meaningful change if it's backed up by action
iron plume
Vishkar have essentially installed themselves as a government in the favelas
they have their own laws and their own police to enforce them
tardy silo
but they arent one, and they are still under the power of the rio government
iron plume
What does that change for the people under its rule
tardy silo
they could apeal to the government
iron plume
Who are the ones that let Vishkar in in the first place
tardy silo
the govenment
iron plume
yes
tardy silo
so they made a mistake
iron plume
Or they're fine with it
as long as their numbers work out
We don't know that Lucio didn't try
or people before him
tardy silo
i think we can both agree that a verdict can not be reached until more info is given, correct?
iron plume
I don't need more info about a community of people throwing out a corporate dictatorship
tardy silo
the thing is we dont know what they did, and we dont know what was tried before the rebelion, and there are many other things that could change our perceptions
iron plume
We know enough about what Vishkar did for me to reach a pretty clear conclusion
young knoll
Lucio is a good guy in the narrative
while there is not much information about Vishkar, it makes sense to conclude they are the bad guys by extension
karmic shore
if blizzard doesnt fucking hire u imma cry that is idea is actually a great idea...
LOL PLS HIRE ME BLIZZARD
limpid agate
@lyric sluice @karmic shore You can't kill Gerard in Overwatch 2 because
- He was killed in his sleep by Widow, alone
- Who was not Widow yet
- 7 years ago
void gazelle
how did overwatch beat an army of bastions and orisas when my teammates cant even deal with 1 bastion?
limpid agate
Overwatch is better than your team.
void gazelle
k
tardy silo
while there is not much information about Vishkar, it makes sense to conclude th...
they have been shown to care about people
limpid agate
@tardy silo Symmetra has been shown to care about people. Just Symmetra.
The rest were shown to be the exact opposite.
tardy silo
but vishkar sent her, didn't they?
karmic shore
<@!676458654953897985> <@!239280046479638528> You can't kill Gerard in Overwatch...
But what if you went through her life in a single player campaign?
limpid agate
Vishkar sent her in Stone By Stone because it was a PR disaster. They sent her in to fix the disaster so they could continue working.
Not because of the people.
Symmetra did it because she wanted to help the people.
iron plume
"Her life" before killing Gerard was a lot of ballet and then being locked up and brainwashed
karmic shore
I want to believe gerard never fully died 😭 I love his personality
limpid agate
He has had 3 lines of dialogue.
iron plume
If there was such a thing as a Widowmaker single player campaign, killing Gerard would be the opening cutscene
karmic shore
If there was such a thing as a Widowmaker single player campaign, killing Gerard...
more gerard for me 😄
that's all that matters-
I love widowmakers lore and I believe she has the saddest yet pleasing lore in the game.. and the best
lol..
iron plume
If you love widowmaker's lore, why do you want to render it mostly irrelevant?
Because if Gerard is not dead, it is
iron plume
Again
If Gerard is not dead, Widowmaker's entire story is largely pointless
karmic shore
it was a joke bro..
iron plume
It's the inciting incident for her becoming what she is and the emotional crux for current widow
Well, in that case
ha
limpid agate
it was a joke bro..
!!shitposting
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iron plume
Not really the place
karmic shore
wha
crimson hedge
Jesus ppl get so salty in these channels
lyric sluice
If you love widowmaker's lore, why do you want to render it mostly irrelevant?
render lol my nick lol
solar prairie
Is somber apart of the talons
crimson hedge
Sombra?
If she is who you're talking about, yes, she is Talon, as seen in her animated short with Widow and Reaper at Volskaya Industries
cerulean ice
Jesus ppl get so salty in these channels
!!loreonly
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fathom tartan
Who is the strongest character in lore
Strongest being defined as is a threat to all others
peak escarp
Reaper
fathom tartan
I'm pretty sure this has already been discussed multiple times here but someone said it in general but I miss you lore folks
I think sigma tho
fathom tartan
Sigma simply has powers than need to be controlled and if left unchecked could potentially destroy everything
I mean going into a gasy wraith form is great for not getting hit by bullets but gravity doesn't care
fathom tartan
Todd ik your from general but you cant talk in here like you do there
fathom tartan
Because
worthy rose
I wouldn't really eat toes
fathom tartan
You'll get warned for shitpost
hollow whale
Oooooo me 🙂
fathom tartan
Btw doc is what I'll call a lore god
hollow whale
mhm ok
peak escarp
Sigma is powerful, but he doesn't have full control of his powers and he is not a violent person
so he's not much of a threat right now
fathom tartan
For now but the fact his insanity from his experience with the singularity makes him have a factor of unpredictably
He could snap
He could also gain the knowledge he's being somewhat used
peak escarp
he doesn't seem that unhinged
he just wants his freedom
and as far as he knows, he has it
fathom tartan
I know hes somewhat peaceful but I mean he's in the game and has a talon outfit it's fair to say he's been on missons
fathom tartan
So far the rest have I don't think we have reason to doubt but I see where your coming from
Even the more pascift people in overwatch have fought
Like mercy and zenyatta
On a powers scale if all the charters powers were pushed to extremes to battle I think sigma would be the most powerful
Could be debatable though
peak escarp
theoretically
but that wasn't what you asked
you asked who was the biggest threat to everyone else
fathom tartan
Yes
But I suppose if we go back to that question it wouldn't even be reaper I'd say
Doomfist is the head of talon
peak escarp
under specific criteria, the answer to "who is strongest" will change
fathom tartan
I'd say physically is Winston
peak escarp
sure, if you're not counting omnics
fathom tartan
Then in a sense has most potential to send us to doomsday is sigma
peak escarp
I'd argue Orisa is physically stronger
fathom tartan
Well Winston in primal rage has been able to go force to force with the doomfist gauntlet
And come out on top
fathom tartan
But she is just a modified OR15 that's more intelligent and doomfist destroyed several OR15 with ease
fathom tartan
Winston is also far more agile
sharp hamlet
Yea I think Winston
fathom tartan
I'm still unsure tho
I think Winston but the point orisa is a omnic is a fair point
I think Winston is able to punch harder and orisa could take a harder hit
fathom tartan
I miss these debates doc
sharp hamlet
I still would bet Winston
fathom tartan
I'm also team Winston
orchid swan
Wintone
limpid agate
Winston is a Mary Sue.
orchid swan
Wat
fathom tartan
Still think sigma could abostly destroy everything if limits were pushed to extremes
orchid swan
Yeah
fathom tartan
It's my favorite mod
limpid agate
Winston is inexplicably good at everything. His flaw is that he lacks confidence but is surrounded by people trying to give him confidence.
orchid swan
Ah
fathom tartan
Please don't read that sacistlicly you really are my favorite mod
orchid swan
Hey taiga, if I have veteren on here does that allow me to post pictures?
fathom tartan
Is there any more lore into primal rage besides modified gorilla angy modified gorilla get super strong now
orchid swan
Nope
limpid agate
He is the only moon monkey to not give in to his primal rage.
He performed literal rocket science on a whim to get from the Moon to Gibraltar when he was in his teens.
With no formal education, he solved the time travel problems Overwatch's scientists were having with anchoring Tracer including the scientists that actually invented the Slipstream jet that used the tech to begin with.
He defeated Doomfist in a fist fight. Doomfist, the guy that they say can level a skyscraper, and we KNOW can make craters.
Winston is a Mary Sue.
orchid swan
Just angry roid monkey
orchid swan
He is the only moon monkey to not give in to his primal rage.
He performed lite...
Actually yeah now that I think about it
fathom tartan
Sigma could still hypothetically make everything's mass density to such an extreme they die
Witch sounds truly horrific and would probably not make it into a ow comic anytime soon
limpid agate
Sigma is with Symmetra
We do not know their limits
They could theoretically be the most powerful characters
Or they could just be a pushover
limpid agate
Hard light defies every law of physics.
fathom tartan
Well physics get a lil wonky when a singularity is involved
limpid agate
It doesn't matter if it doesn't play by the rules
I don't care how good of a punch George Foreman has if I bring a gun into the ring.
fathom tartan
Well Sym cant really contol her gun if she's being cruched by her own weight times a million
limpid agate
Hard light has been shown to defy gravity.
Not just for itself
But also for things it is applied to
orchid swan
I don't care how good of a punch George Foreman has if I bring a gun into the ri...
Lol
fathom tartan
Well dont destroy the bullet destroy the person shooting the bullet and your fine
limpid agate
Its not a bullet.
orchid swan
Screw it, riptire kills the both of them
fathom tartan
Sigmas ability to mess with density is scary
Just haha
Your basically as heavy as a sun now
Good luck standing
orchid swan
That sounds painful
limpid agate
We don't know if he can do that or not
Like I said
Unknown limits
Same for Symmetra
fathom tartan
As you instantly get turned into a red paste
orchid swan
Your bones would be crushed and you’d just be a sack of meat lying around
limpid agate
We don't know if he can do that or not
Like I said
Unknown limits
Same for Symmetra
the upside is, Sigma can't fully control his powers, and doesn't seem interested in using them on people
fathom tartan
Yeah
peak escarp
and Symmetra thinks of herself as a "goodguy"
fathom tartan
So no red paste making
orchid swan
Howard is the most powerful
fathom tartan
No its junkrat because he has whatever hanzo says he has
Idk what it is but its knowledge
worthy rose
Lol at it being Junkrat
orchid swan
That’s actually an interesting lore piece. Because Junk doesn’t trust omnics and it’s speculated that the treasure is junkrat knowing what the omnics or nullsector are going to do in the future
fathom tartan
Okay so if sigma can control density could he constraint enough to make a black hole
fathom tartan
Maybe?
But if so that means he can control that much with such easy
That the upper limits of his powers are truly terrifying
orchid swan
Well like one of my favourite quotes he says in his cinematic.
“I will show you a new understanding of Violence”
fathom tartan
If the is no limit to sigmas density controlling powers if that what his powers is then he could hypothetically reset the big bang
What a terrifying though
worthy rose
We don't know how powerful his gravity abilities are.But from what his feats in game show he doesn't seem powerful
fathom tartan
The potential to restart the entire universe in a mentally unstable scientist
orchid swan
Yeah but the game nerfs everything
fathom tartan
Or buffs in rare cases
peak escarp
there's not much point in discussing hypothetical potentials
orchid swan
Like how rein should be able to endlessly charge through 100’s of bastions
peak escarp
yes
fathom tartan
In lore he hasn't done much
fathom tartan
And jetpack cat
worthy rose
So I really don't understand how people say he can beat high tiers like Doom
peak escarp
Jetpack cat is not and will never be a hero
fathom tartan
Its brigs cat see in a epic climax brig is going to be defeated and her cat is going to show up in a armored suit designed by brig with rockets somewhat similar to what reign has and brig but fitted for a cat
peak escarp
if you're lucky, maybe she'll get a talent that summons her cat
but more likely, Mitzi will stay as a feature of emotes and highlight intros
fathom tartan
Listen they said a giant hamster in a ball was just as likely as a feline in a jetpack
peak escarp
jetpack cat is impossible because we got wrecking ball
fathom tartan
I really hope they nodd to jet pack cat with mitzi tho
peak escarp
he took the "animal in a robot" niche
fathom tartan
An ability where mitzue comes in when brig is down and shots lil lazers would be cool
orchid swan
I hope jetoack cat get thrown into a microwave and cooked for 10 minutes
peak escarp
a page
fathom tartan
That's what mitzu/jetpack cat is
I mean I think in a spray or a comic bit brig is making mitzu armor
peak escarp
also judging by the fact that Brigitte is like 6-7 years old here and she's 23 currently, Mitzi must be around 16-17 years old and quite elderly
or dead, since they have a different cat now
peak escarp
I only speak the truth
peak escarp
nope
fathom tartan
No doc
Normally your opion is held with high value but this statement must be ignored
Mitzu is genetically modified end of story
I can't be told mitzu is dead
fathom tartan
I refuse
She has multiple cats
The only one papa Michal told hs the name for is mitzu
fathom tartan
The white one
Mitzu has armor
Mitzu is the page
What would be the point of only saying mitzu's name
Also mitzu seems very young and small compared to in game size
To be fair mitzu is huge
peak escarp
Overwatch’s lead writer Michael Chu confirms that Brigitte has “more than one cat. The white one is named Mitzi.”
peak escarp
I'm trying to find the original source, since none of these articles provide one
fathom tartan
I wish we could just talk to Mike
I hope brigs cats aren't mean to bastion's birds
peak escarp
hmm
I can't find the original source, but I do remember seeing it myself at one point
fathom tartan
Alrighty well doc
It was nice talking again always enjoy conversing but it's late
Goodnight see you when I see you
peak escarp
I'm always here
fathom tartan
I know and you'll always be there if I'm poking around in forms
cerulean ice
Who is the strongest character in lore
sigma all the way
prime zephyr
I love widow and Moira
Widow’s lore is so well put together and Moira is just badass
pine crater
deft skiff
that would be pog
worthy rose
God i want to see bastion in OW2 he looks so good
Was their any leaks of bastions gameplay if he got anything new or smth?
cerulean ice
he'll fight along with torb rein brig on gothenburg against null as seen on the whiteboards
and with the overwatch eventually since there was a whiteboard of him on the ship
proud pike
he'll fight along with torb rein brig on gothenburg against null as seen on the ...
With torb? But torb stayed at home, no?
hazy ibex
also judging by the fact that Brigitte is like 6-7 years old here and she's 23 c...
I dont know if this is canon but brigg just got a new victory pose with her cat (the white one)
cosmic crest
Even if it did, what is there to imply? It's just Brig with her cat next to her.
trim cosmos
yea i expect it was made to go with her cat emote, kinda like how dva has the bubble gum intro and pose
cerulean ice
sure
well yh abt that
he literally fucking controls gravity
if u think lifting people up and throwing rocks is the only thing he can do then yer duomb
sigma can rip off a person effortlessly
worthy rose
And someone like Symmetra can just blow a laser through his head
cerulean ice
youre underestimating gravity manipulation
sly snow
Wait, if Sigma uses his powers properly can’t he just bend matter to go around him?
cerulean ice
somewhat
worthy rose
I mean sure gravity is powerful but we don't know his full extent
I'm sure he would be powerful if they show more of him
worthy rose
But for now he's featless and shouldn't be compared to Reaper or Doom
cerulean ice
hes the only one with a supernatural ability and an overpowered one on top of that
worthy rose
Reaper and Moira have supernatural like powers too
cerulean ice
not exactly
worthy rose
But to the normal people they would seem supernatural
cerulean ice
what would even be "normal" in the overwatch universe
sigma's ability seems to be the only one thats out of place
apart from the dragons
worthy rose
I dont think people with the ability to teleprt is really normal
cerulean ice
are you referring to reaper's teleport?
thats not rlly canon or not exactly as it is as shown ingame
cosmic crest
It's not super natural in universe. It's explained with science.
worthy rose
He did teleport though.When Winston was about to hit him he disappeared
cerulean ice
its more of like dematerializing himself from one place to another
which is how his and moira's wraith works
cosmic crest
its more of like dematerializing himself from one place to another
That's probably what his teleport is. So not really a teleport, just functions like one in game.
worthy rose
Anyways as for Sigma being the most powerful.Id say he's not for now.Though I think that will change once they show more of him
cerulean ice
worthy rose
Nah bro you may sigh at this but lots of people dunks on him.Like Reaper would just shoot him before he does anything.Sigma sucks and dies duh
cosmic crest
Practically every character in the game could "just shoot him"
cerulean ice
or any character in general
worthy rose
Doomfist can punch hard enough to create craters.Reaper can fire grenades.Symmetra creates cities.Sigma can create a rock
See weak af
hollow whale
lol R O C K
cerulean ice
Doomfist can punch hard enough to create craters.Reaper can fire grenades.Symmet...
sigma can wreck way more havoc than them
apart from creating cities
youre literally underestimating gravity manipulation
its not just "throwing rocks", i would list a number of things he could do but theres way too many
he could stop them before doing anything
we can already get an idea like how his ult works from ingame and highlight intro where sigma could just lift them with no sweat
worthy rose
How much havoc do you think he can cause?
cerulean ice
at max?
since were talking about gravity i dont know rlly
at the very least, could potentially carry an island
lapis aspen
Guns>>>>>weak gravity power
weak?
he literally makes black holes
i dunno how that's weak
peak escarp
they're "gravitic charges"
worthy rose
He only seems to use it to absorb projectiles
peak escarp
like mini gravitons
worthy rose
He's not gonna go around tossing them at people
Also infinite shotguns>>>>Mini gravitons
lapis aspen
just suck up the bullets and fly away ggs
golden pewter
I always thought that maybe the guns are also a part of his body. So he can just regenerate guns 😆
cosmic crest
Every hero has infinite ammo. He probably just has more under his coat.
young knoll
if his throwing down guns and pulling more out thing is canon, it doesn't make sense to carry multiple around
logistically speaking
the only way that would actually be useful is with some sort of hammer space or something like that
cosmic crest
Throwing his guns away doesn't make sense period.
Tactically speaking.
It's a way of showing how careless he is.
There is a spray that shows Reaper with several more shotguns under his coat. It's likely gag making him seem like a dealer, but makes for a logical explanation.
young knoll
even if those things are light, that is a moronic thing to do. the amount you would need for an extended fire fight makes it untenable
cosmic crest
it's not an unheard of tactic in real life either, old fashioned weapons were very clunky to reload, cowboys and pirates would often just carry around many guns on them to save themselves the trouble.
young knoll
they aren't exactly small, either. even if they are made out of future plastic or something, they would be too hard to carry in large enough quantities
either he has some sort of rewind shtick like Tracer, hammer space, or he is immensely stupid and carries around a large amount of shotguns for no reason
he is melodramatic cartoon villain-y, so I suppose he could carry a crap ton around
but the idea seems ludicrous, even given the setting
cosmic crest
It's less ludicrous than Reaper having his own shotgun dimension if you ask me.
young knoll
I think that sounds ridiculous too
cosmic crest
The point is he has more under his coat, the logistics of whether or not he'd have enough for an extended engagement aren't really interesting or important.
I'm pretty sure he's only done it in the game anyway.
young knoll
I would need to rewatch the cinematics
cosmic crest
I think he threw his guns on the floor at the end of Infiltration.
But didn't pull out new ones.
young knoll
well I suppose this argument is moot anyway if he doesn't actually do that
he does also have a bandolier of shotgun shells as well, so that does seem to indicate reloading anyway
random girder
Okay look, i just need to know where the omnic charging stations are. Are the bastions actually solar powered, or were they constantly followed by main reactor bots that supplied them with extra power when needed? I'm assuming they have their own power source considering the bastion short, but my phone can last ages in sleep mode so why can't a terrifying death machine?
lyric sluice
wdym bastion survived
oh wait
ask @peak escarp this dude is like the master of lore
cosmic crest
I don't think your phone is comparable to an autonomous war machine.
lyric sluice
lmao that is actually a good answer
sick siren
Canonically is storm rising the last archives mission?
random girder
okay but teacup, my phone is pretty good
i mean i can talk to someone on the other side of the world, and its only 2021
this game is like, in 2050, so surely they've improved since then
random girder
If it could i wouldn't tell you
lyric sluice
lol
random girder
And samito, i think thats the last one thats been released, they might add more that happened later, but so far thats the latest i think
Wait a fuckin second
There's no corpses in Eichenwald
I know thats probably just cos its not an R rated game, but do the bastions eat people?
Is bastion a 1 eyed 12 barreled running metal people eater?
lyric sluice
There's no corpses in Eichenwald
they would have cleaned all the corpses up lmao
there are just bastion unit corpses there
maybe the or15s too idk
lyric sluice
I know thats probably just cos its not an R rated game, but do the bastions eat ...
...................no
lyric sluice
Is bastion a 1 eyed 12 barreled running metal people eater?
more like "turn people into sponge bob"-er
random girder
they would have cleaned all the corpses up lmao
WHO would've cleaned up the corpses? The hungry bastions? Food for thought.
limpid agate
@random girder Bastions do not eat people. That is ridiculous.
For some attempt at a lore or logical answer, human bodies decompose faster than omnic bodies.
The real reason is, its a kid-friendly game, so you can't exactly have human corpses lying around.
Its the same with the Toronto story mission. We were shown a still where the subway had a pile of dead omnics, but there were no visible dead humans.
peak escarp
I don't think omnics need to charge
they probably have some kind of internal battery
random girder
He runs across continents
he shoots down forests
he must need a recharge at some point
peak escarp
who?
random girder
Bastion
peak escarp
oh
limpid agate
Evidently not
random girder
I mean zenyatta too, but he probably has his own renewable energy sources, the fucking hippie
peak escarp
it would have a pretty fresh battery
limpid agate
Bastion woke up ~20 years ago
And has been wandering for 20 years before finding Torbjorn
peak escarp
since it only woke up like 15-20 years ago
random girder
thats 20 years
limpid agate
~20 years
peak escarp
we've never seen or heard of omnics needing to charge, not even in the Underworld in London Calling
limpid agate
Or in Hero of Numbani
random girder
I mean they wouldn't show it of course
peak escarp
the logical conclusion is that they don't need to recharge
random girder
If you had to charge up as Orisa in the middle of the match then that'd be boring
limpid agate
I didn't say gameplay
random girder
There's a reason we've never seen it, its not interesting
peak escarp
we've seen Tracer's chronal accelerator need to recharge
limpid agate
Or in any comic or short story or bio or text post or map.
Its never been alluded to
Other "non-interesting" things have been alluded to
Like "oil being marketed to omnics for lubrication of joints"
This is something that, if it were a thing, would be significantly more important
peak escarp
so it's either so common place it's not worth mentioning (like humans sleeping), or it doesn't happen
limpid agate
so it's either so common place it's not worth mentioning (like humans sleeping),...
Even then
We see beds
We see places to sleep
random girder
Well in that case where does the power come from?
peak escarp
batteries
random girder
You think bastion slots some triple a batteries up his arse? there's no way they make a perpetual motion machine and used it for the worst fuckin hero, there's something more to this
limpid agate
Well, let's look at what we know.
peak escarp
I think omnics in general have some sort of internal power source that lasts for the duration of their lifespan
maybe it's a self powered, kinetic battery
random girder
So can omnics become immortal with an iphone charger?
limpid agate
Bastion has been on and wandering for ~20 years with no human interaction.
Bastion has not "charged" or "changed batteries" for these 20 years.
Bastion when Torb found it was not in disrepair, it was just as functional as he was when it woke up 20 years ago.
They're not immortal. You can still kill them.
random girder
If bastion hasn't charged he must have a different way of gaining power
limpid agate
There's always the sun.
random girder
maybe by consuming matter, maybe by solar power
maybe he puts fins on his barrels and lets them turn like a turbine
reusable energy y'know?
limpid agate
The machines in the Matrix were originally solar powered, but they had no visible solar panels.
peak escarp
as far as we know, omnics can't eat
random girder
AS FAR AS WE KNOW
limpid agate
As far as we know because multiple omnics explicitly said it
Namely, Mondatta in London Calling, and Zenyatta in Stone By Stone.
I forget if it was brought up in Hero of Numbani.
cosmic crest
Micro fusion reactors supposedly exit in the OW world. I believe D.Va's mech is powered by one. There is no reason to assume omnics can't have some form of internal power supply.
limpid agate
There is also mention to something called "Omnic Energy" which we don't know yet.
random girder
I mean i think omnic energy is just some kind of illusion, like a david blaine stunt, or the moon
cosmic crest
There is also mention to something called "Omnic Energy" which we don't know yet...
I find the existence of that to be dubious. As far as I'm aware, it was only mentioned in the art book.
limpid agate
The visual source book.
cosmic crest
My mistake.
limpid agate
Which I do not think has anything explicitly incorrect.
lyric sluice
does omnic energy have to do with the iris
WHAT THE FUCK i look the thread up and I FIND THIS LMAO 2 lore masters in one place the internet is a small place
cursive arrow
Im new to this but what if it was some kind of power grid that wraps around the world but can only be accesed by a component found in every omnic
cursive arrow
is it strange that Canada hasn't got a role in the overarching plot
lyric sluice
in ow2 it will
cosmic crest
is it strange that Canada hasn't got a role in the overarching plot
Not really, there are tons of countries that have yet to be represented at all.
rain echo
worthy rose
Why?Nukes are awesome
peak escarp
no they aren't
limpid agate
is it strange that Canada hasn't got a role in the overarching plot
It does have a role. Toronto/Sojourn will be featured in the Overwatch 2 story. Sojourn herself will be a major character and member of Team Overwatch.
limpid agate
Canada was nuked in the omnic crisis
It literally wasn't.
We have seen Canada. Toronto specifically.
limpid agate
If you want to see cities get nuked, we get more than enough of that in Warcraft.
cursive arrow
so sojourn is canadian
worthy rose
Isn't Warcraft like fantasy?I don't think they would be advanced enough to make nukes
peak escarp
so sojourn is canadian
yes
peak escarp
Isn't Warcraft like fantasy?I don't think they would be advanced enough to make ...
there are spells in Warcraft that make nukes look like a fart
worthy rose
Well damn thats pretty op
cursive arrow
I think they dont have nukes because they might cause too much destruction to country's and environments which will cause a TON of wars and country's not liking each other and you get the idea
worthy rose
We have irl nukes and we don't go around causing too much destruction and tons of wars so I think they still have it
cursive arrow
We have irl nukes and we don't go around causing too much destruction and tons o...
they might have discontinued the production of nukes
im still very much new to discord so can anyone tell me how I can edit my profile pic
cursive arrow
strangely there hasn't been any mounted hero's of any kind as well, like someone riding a horse, a camel, a reindeer, heck even a robotic mount, just anything
peak escarp
not that strange
that would be pretty out of place in the futuristic setting
and in a shooter game
peak escarp
he has already been explained by the lore
cursive arrow
true
peak escarp
I don't think they'd want you shooting at non-enhanced animals
cursive arrow
again with the robotic mount idea
cursive arrow
well both are not technically riding
peak escarp
Hammond rides on Wrecking Ball
cursive arrow
exactly why it would make the game so unique
peak escarp
what's the point of it?
cursive arrow
running fast by the enemy to do damage with a lance of some kind would make the hero unique and pretty fun to play
peak escarp
Reinhardt already does that
tardy silo
now i want to see tracer on a horse
peak escarp
cerulean ice
why do u have that
peak escarp
I don't, I looked it up
cerulean ice
this is confusing
peak escarp
it's from Heroes of the Storm
proud pike
It makes me feel uncomfortable 
tardy silo
am i going to regret waiting for the image to load?
tardy silo
why is she sitting like that?
and why doesnt she have a saddle?
looks like she is doing some lunges while on the horse
peak escarp
the valkyrie suit is probably made from lightweight plastic
D.Va's suit looks like fabric
orchid swan
idk, from what i can see form the pictures it almost looks like leather at some point but then some parts also look abit smooth and shiny
worthy rose
Is Reapers suit made of it too?
peak escarp
leather? probably
uneven glade
how did that not get reported
last inlet
you can dm modmail about it
uneven glade
honestly i cba
last inlet
same tbh
valid terrace
On the topic of Nukes, the omnics clearly didn't have them as they relied on their overwhelming ground troops for power instead, and it would be foolish to use them against the omnics as the effective kill range against robots would be much smaller than against humans, and they wouldn't be affected by the fallout which would limit engagement sites for the humans.
wet portal
how does genji and hanzo make dragon
lyric sluice
its complicated
and nobody rly knows the answer
but the theory is hardlight
bio/nanotech in hanzos arm because it comes from his tattoo
and genjis kitana is "advanced" in tech (according to the description)
cuz magic dont exist in ow
wet portal
ok thanks. that makes sense
charred cipher
cuz magic dont exist in ow
m-m......m....moira
but I guess that is science not magic
peak escarp
Moira isn't magic
charred cipher
it is lol its science
yeah, so no magic involved
hot heart
limpid agate
!!Shitposting @hot heart
twilit nacelleBOT
@hot heart Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
lyric sluice
yeah, so no magic involved
yes no magic
worthy rose
The closest thing to magic is Reaper but even his power is from science
white cobalt
peak escarp
a 5 part story that goes nowhere
peak escarp
the only thing of value we got out of it was establishing the order of events between Alive and Recall
opaque tundra
||best part of that issue was when Tracer got shot lmao||
but seriously, what a mess of a conclusion
the art felt lazier than the previous issues, action felt stiff
peak escarp
it was very jumpy - the transitions were bad and I was legit confused about what happens between adjacent panels
opaque tundra
it was soooo sloppily rushed. no word from Iggy or Kace, we don't learn who the sniper was, the grid is just magically better, winston ex machina just appears
opaque tundra
i hope the writer practices more and doesn't write comics again for a while
terse oar
Ngl, the last issue’s somewhat... anti-climactic