lore-discussion

[arctic loom]

the four new designs

[peak escarp]

😍

I'm already planning a McCree cosplay

[arctic loom]

yep

[terse oar]

McCree’s was amazing

[arctic loom]

that mccree really looks badass

pharah didnt changed

that much

[peak escarp]

she looks more high tech

[arctic loom]

widow looks really new

[dire zodiac]

I rlly like widows new design

[proud pike]

new reaper is a plastic-guy

[opaque tundra]

I discovered that baptiste is also in the story. I can't send a screenshot but in the storyboards for when all the heroes are together, Rein lifts his arm and you can see him next to genji

[terse oar]

Is it possible you could find a time stamp?

I was about to go through them lol

[peak escarp]

you can see him in this storyboard

next to Genji

[terse oar]

Found it

Yeah that lol

It’s also interesting to note that there will be detailed cinematics as well for character introductions

[white cobalt]

there is a interview if someone is interested https://www.ign.com/articles/overwatch-2-at-blizzcon-2021-the-big-jeff-kaplan-interview

[terse oar]

So we’ll get to see some heroes rendered in those

[reef patio]

Soldier 76 sacrifices himself and in the end everyone lives happily ever after

The perfect ending

[hushed jetty]

when do you think they'd show the new cinematic, if there is one?

[peak escarp]

there isn't one

[golden jasper]

Dang, those designs for Null Sector looks sick, especially those rotating barrels on the artillery enemy.

[cerulean ice]

we'll probably get one in a few months

[hushed jetty]

pain.

[terse oar]

They’ll probably release a string of them like with OW1’s release

[lime flax]

I can see one definitely dropping if they decide to attend Gamescom this year in August

Except they didn't last year and it was trash

[peak escarp]

Jeff said they're going to be more communicative

going forward

so that's good

[cerulean ice]

im really excited for the cutscenes

just rein approaching a shocked bastion, an encounter vs sombra and widow

so exciting

[lime flax]

Yeah we definitely needed more canonical hero interactions and it seems like the cutscenes and even gameplay will deliver in that regard

I like that Widow whips around that India map and kicks the player backwards

[cerulean ice]

dva is getting some screentime also rather than just playing tower defense 24/7 on korea

judging from the storyboards

[lime flax]

its really hard separating hero missions from actual missions looking through this all

I see on the India map mission it's Genji, Zen, Zarya/Winston, and Pharah

I guess the tanks in that one are interchangable

[terse oar]

They said that there will be a hero pool for missions rather than just a set 4

[lyric sluice]

gency is pretty much confirmed in my opinion lmao

[worthy rose]

good

[lyric sluice]

they literally said for example if you have mercy and genji the would have lines abt their relationship

lmao

[worthy rose]

pharmercy shippers gonna lose it

[cerulean ice]

that doesnt necessarily confirm theyre together

[lyric sluice]

also it looks like some heros will be non playable for somemissions

[lyric sluice]

true

but all we do is speculation

and widows redesign is my favorite

her hair be looking fire lmao

[golden jasper]

One of her concept outfits reminds me of Lara Croft, I think they even referenced it too.

[peak escarp]

yeah

they called it a "treasure hunter"

[golden jasper]

Yep. But I am curious on why some of those Talon grunts dropped their rifles in Genji and Zenyatta's part.

[cerulean ice]

or why sombra and widow was there

[golden jasper]

Kind of wish that they gave Reinhardt a helmet though.

[cerulean ice]

they seem to be nothing valuable for talon

[golden jasper]

You would think he would learn to not have his head exposed after he lost his eye.

[arctic loom]

so doctor six

what lore we got this

blizzcon?

[golden jasper]

Yeah, that too. I do like how Widow makes her entrance with that swing though.

[cerulean ice]

im not doctor six but we didnt get much lore this blizzcon

just some sneak peeks and previews

[peak escarp]

not much lore

but lots of gameplay

[opaque tundra]

I'd like to pipe in on the reason why talon is after zen

In the clip of the scene, when Genji throws his shuriken things, we see Zen holding one orb. Just the one. Why would he hold one? Where are the others? It's stupid but I think Talon might be after the orbs or maybe there's a secret about the temple or shambali or whatever that Talon wants to uncover. Sombra is there so I'm leaning on the latter possibility

[cerulean ice]

thats looking into it too much imo but since sombra is there, something atleast is valuable as you said which made her approach

i doubt shambali could be hiding anything

just my thought

[terse oar]

I think it’s interesting that the Talon heroes could pose as “hazards” during the missions (or at least, that’s what I interpreted from it)

[cerulean ice]

boss?

[terse oar]

Idk about boss, since I feel like Widow or Sombra wouldn’t really feel that intimidating in that sort of scenario

I was thinking more of, as you progress through the mission, Widow would take some shots at you, or restrict certain spaces

[cerulean ice]

idk what u meant by hazard

[golden jasper]

Having playable characters be bosses/hazards in the campaign sounds cool.

[cerulean ice]

i see

[opaque tundra]

We see Widow kick back Zen so you might be right

[terse oar]

I thought of it when we saw her grapple onto the arch after the kick. She doesn’t directly confront you, so you probably can’t fight back, but I could see her still trying to impede your progress

[golden jasper]

Could have open areas that's covered by Widowmaker and you have to find a way to block her sight to proceed.

[terse oar]

^ kinda like that, yeah

[cerulean ice]

basically an untargetable character that interrupts your progress

[terse oar]

Yes

[cerulean ice]

makes sense

[terse oar]

Granted, we only have a small cutscene to go off of

[golden jasper]

Yeah, she's a sniper, no reason for her to get close unless it's necessary.

[neon aurora]

Uh-

So is D.Va and Zarya in main lore now?

[cerulean ice]

dva most likely as seen in the previews

idk abt zarya but likely since sombra is controlling the russians or shit

[peak escarp]

seems like they will be

[neon aurora]

There seen to be

[peak escarp]

but we'll have to wait a while before we get context

[neon aurora]

2022

LOL

[peak escarp]

that's not very long

only 10 months

[cerulean ice]

we'll get cinematics in the meantime

i hope..

since we didnt get any rn

[neon aurora]

Yeah.

There's a concept art of

D.Va and Zarya being near the OW team.

So i'm gonna assume, D.Va joins OW from busan.

[cerulean ice]

we dont need everyone to join ow

she probably only needs help from them

[neon aurora]

Doubt it.

She's probably joining the "new generation" of OW.

With pharah.

[cerulean ice]

i hate the idea of everyone joining overwatch just because theyre heroes

it makes more sense for pharah's case since ow was her dream

[neon aurora]

Makes sense to me.

[cerulean ice]

its a terrible cliche

[valid terrace]

She might not necessarily be "joining Overwatch" as much as helping with the world wide crisis for a bit

[arctic loom]

btw on a part pharah appear with ow

means she going join

ow

[cerulean ice]

likely

but we'll see

[limpid agate]

Pharah, Lucio, and Bastion were explictly shown as part of the team in multiple cinematics and story boards.

D.Va, Zarya, and Baptiste were just shown in group shot story boards

We know that Lucio joins early at the start, and that Pharah/McCree join before Sojourn.

[arctic loom]

well seems mccree finished what he had to do and had answer the call

from winston

joining they too

[worthy rose]

i told yall i would've been surprised if they did release an animated short. it's clear they've moved on from OW1 now and developing any further lore with it. except maybe the occasional short story

[limpid agate]

That's not the same thing.

[cerulean ice]

ow1 and ow2 is still overwatch

[limpid agate]

The lack of cinematic short is weird, but judging by the panel, it seems like the team that works on those is exclusively working on the Story Mission cinematics

Of which there's going to be a lot.

Like, a lot a lot

[cerulean ice]

judging from the amount of whiteboards in the background yes theres alot

[limpid agate]

Still lame that there isn't a cinematic, but that is the only explanation that seems reasonable.

[cerulean ice]

in a few months maybe or atleast somewhen this year

[deep kraken]

Why are Tracers weapons so dam weak she constantly misses and when she does hit it barley does anything ?

[covert echo]

lore wise?

[deep kraken]

Yes

Like in the cinematics

[covert echo]

oh yeah. That makes sense since she does a lot of damage in-game.

[peak escarp]

powerlevels in the lore do whatever the lore needs them to

[arctic loom]

oh

nice pic doctor

[cerulean ice]

its a pulse pistol

pistol

but

idk since shes constantly missing

[proud pike]

Actually she's not so weak

Doomfist just had shields

[cerulean ice]

and missing

[proud pike]

If you speaking about DF's origin moment

But yes

She's missing a lot

[deep kraken]

Also when she’s fighting Widowmaker as well

[peak escarp]

like I said

the plot needed her to not defeat them

[proud pike]

Huh...

Thats how Winston works

[deep kraken]

Monke

[proud pike]

Not gonna lie

[worthy rose]

genji was kinda op in the ow2 video

[gusty sluice]

true

[proud pike]

Lets be honest, we dont need heroes

We have genji

[deep kraken]

Hey Winston can aim with his weapon unlike tracer

[cerulean ice]

genji could potentially be op in the power level list

[proud pike]

He never used it.....

Only primal rage

I mean

C'mon

Primal rage is so op

[deep kraken]

Yes he did

In the recall cinematic ?

[deep kraken]

Pretty sure doomfist and sigma are the strongest as well?

[cerulean ice]

doomfist no

sigma will always remain untouched

i mean doom is strong yes

[proud pike]

DF not the strongest

[cerulean ice]

but winston could be stronger than him

[proud pike]

But his reaction and intellect is awesome

Or maybe Tracer was so predictable

[cerulean ice]

sigma > winston > symmetra

genji potentially

[worthy rose]

Reaper is the strongest imo

[worthy rose]

he literally

destroyed the army

[cerulean ice]

reaper has limits to his wraith

[worthy rose]

and cut off that hand

[proud pike]

ha-ha monkey

[worthy rose]

for tracer

Or Echo

[proud pike]

Although I still feel bad that Talon always lost because of Winston's rage.

[cerulean ice]

echo's duplication doesnt work exactly as you think it is ingame

[deep kraken]

No I didn’t ment in order sigma is stronger then doomfist

[proud pike]

Just

Really

[deep kraken]

Probably

I mean the guy controls gravity

[worthy rose]

Well if thats true Id say Reaper or maybe Symmetra

[proud pike]

Echo can't duplicate in lore, she's just fast - learning robot

[cerulean ice]

she can mimic their appearances

[proud pike]

yes

[cerulean ice]

and possibly the materials emmitting to mimic an appearance may change mass

meaning she can get strong

[proud pike]

mass?

But its hard light

[cerulean ice]

the blue thing

idk

[proud pike]

no?

[cerulean ice]

probably

[proud pike]

Hardlight seems to be....

[cerulean ice]

thats my thought though

[proud pike]

Light?

No mass

[cerulean ice]

since its literally solid it has mass

solid always has mass

[proud pike]

But its a light

Okay, its complicated

[cerulean ice]

light projects hardlight

into

derived from light if that makes sense

[deep kraken]

So like Steven universe gems bodies?

[cerulean ice]

no

[deep kraken]

like their body’s are light as well

[cerulean ice]

their body is made of light yes but

wait

uh

look hardlight is solid made from light with necessary elements

to make it hardlight..

let me think

[cerulean ice]

their body is made of light but theory suggests the reflection of facets, and poly give it mass

which is why theres different facet codes as how their gemstone makes up their physical shape

basically the reason why some gems look different regardless of having the same gemstone

[golden jasper]

Seems like they mess with the internals of whatever they hit. Since the NS troopers were not damaged by the rifle fire from that police officer but seem to be taken down when Tracer fires at one and only leaving what looks to be minor damage on their face in Zero Hour.

[cerulean ice]

either she sucks with aiming or the gun is really shitty

[deep kraken]

She either needs soldier 76 to train her or get better weapons in lore lol

[worthy rose]

she does have that bomb tho...

[peak escarp]

or she needs to be in a situation where the plot lets her be strong

[cerulean ice]

clutch with bomb

[dusk trench]

76 WAS GAY????

Why did it take me so long to find out about this

[wooden sleet]

was?

[dusk trench]

Is there clarification that he still is?

[wooden sleet]

um I dont think this is something you can change

but back when solider short story was released he was confirmed a gay man

[limpid agate]

People don't just change sexuality over night.

He is still gay.

[dusk trench]

Yeah, changing sexuality in around 12 hours is quite rare.

But the time span in between of when 76 and Ana meet again after the explosion from when he was in a relationship is possibly a large amount of years.

It is possible that it could’ve changed over time

[iron plume]

that's
not really how that works

And even if it did, he's confirmed to be gay in the present

[cerulean ice]

that doesnt make sense

just because he was doesnt mean he still is

but that doesnt rlly matter now

[iron plume]

we literally have confirmation that he is https://twitter.com/westofhouse/status/1082394625837428736

Michael Chu 😷 (@westofhouse)

Thanks for all the messages about “Bastet”!

Jack and Vincent were in a romantic relationship many years ago. Both identify as gay. ❤️

Retweets

9167

Likes

25337

Twitter · Jan 7, 2019, 9:52 PM

[iron plume]

and yes it does
It can take time to figure out, but the sexuality itself doesn't change

[cerulean ice]

sexuality cant change wdym wtf

????

[crisp dew]

the better question to ask is if 76 has been in any relationships since then

[cerulean ice]

would it be the better question

doesnt matter

[sick siren]

So i'm working on my first youtube video, a deep dive into Symmetra and what could be next for her in OW2 - would anyone wanna read my initial script / ideas and give me some thoughts?

[limpid agate]

@crisp dew He hasn't

@plain arrow Don't post random links

[worthy rose]

People dont ever change sexualities. Its about when they realise it

[uncut notch]

i thought it was really awesome when they confirmed soldier as gay

his VA was really happy about it as well on the voice actor panel yesterday because people would come up to him to tell him how they saw themselves in soldier

[wintry heart]

I found a strange painting inside paris walls https://ibb.co/kQ2vSXp

[dusk trench]

Is the discussion about 76s sexuality done? I apologize if I’ve started something.

Its awesome if 76 is or was gay

And I think Blizzard made a great choice for the character to have that type of freedom.

[warm holly]

why is tracer thicc now?

[dusk trench]

What do you mean

[worthy rose]

???

[warm holly]

her ass is big now

[worthy rose]

Uh her rear was always big

And how large her rear is is irrelevant to the lore

[valid terrace]

She is just wearing different pants

Her holsters aren't there to break silhouette and the latex is more prominent

[warm holly]

nah she got thicc

[valid terrace]

So it looks bigger

She really didn't

[warm holly]

she had noddle legs

[worthy rose]

I don't see the difference

[warm holly]

now her legs are thicc also

[peak escarp]

they look the same

[valid terrace]

It's just pants

Still noodles

[warm holly]

you don't see?!

her legs are super thicc

[valid terrace]

Show me the increase in mass please

They look exactly the same to me

[worthy rose]

If anything the legs look a little skinnier in the second photo

[valid terrace]

Except maybe her calves

Her pants are just more uniform so you can see the edges/curves more clearly

[peak escarp]

why does it matter?

[warm holly]

i like her old design more honestly

[valid terrace]

It really doesn't matter

I think aesthetically yes the old one is better

But the new one is far superior graphically

[worthy rose]

they look curvier 😏

anyways

[upbeat rock]

How abojt the new widow

Didn't she get thiccer

[heady marten]

Do you think Symmetra will join Talon in Ow 2 ?

Since Sanjay is with them

[cosmic crest]

Highly doubtful.

[limpid agate]

I don't think she will be featured.

[heady marten]

That would be sad

[limpid agate]

Oh, that reminds me, I gotta update my chart

[heady marten]

Did they confirm that only a few heroes will be featured ?

[peak escarp]

they're trying to put as many heroes in the story as they can, but they also have to make sense to be there

so some might not make the cut

[heady marten]

I see

[limpid agate]

Yes

In 2019

For what heroes will be in OW2's story, who won't be, and who I personally speculate will be absent or featured:

Confirmed - Baptiste, Bastion, Brigitte, D.Va, Doomfist, Echo, Genji, Lucio, McCree, Mei, Mercy, Orisa, Pharah, Reinhardt, Sojourn, Sombra, Torbjorn, Tracer, Widowmaker, Winston, Zarya, Zenyatta

Likely - Hanzo, Moira, Reaper

Unlikely - Ana, Ashe, Roadhog, Sigma, Soldier 76, Symmetra, Hammond

Deconfirmed - Junkrat

[worthy rose]

Well if thats true then yay!

[limpid agate]

Confirmed where

He was not shown in any storyboards or cinematics or even discussed

All they did was show off his new look, which all OW1 heroes are getting

Link

I didn't ask that

Link

The burden of proof lies on the claim

I am saying they said nothing about Reaper in the story in the Behind the Scenes panel

Are you talking about this?

Because this is irrelevant to the topic

[peak escarp]

I watched the whole thing and they didn't say Reaper would be playable in story mode

[limpid agate]

Then find the source if you want to make the claim.

[worthy rose]

Well he better be in the story

If not I would have wasted money lol

[limpid agate]

If you're not going to source it, then don't say anything. Misinformation is more damaging with your sloth.

[peak escarp]

he will likely play a role in the story, but whether he's playable is undetermined

we haven't seen any Story Missions where we play as badguys

[worthy rose]

I hope we play as the bad guys

I dont want the heroes to keep winning because of PIS

[limpid agate]

Probably won't play as Talon in the story missions. Maybe post-launch.

If you're not going to provide the source, then:

• Don't spread sourceless misinformation
• Don't fling insults because you were challenged on your source.
  Consider this your final warning.

Moving swiftly onwards.

[uncut notch]

I do wonder what McCree has been doing after Reunion

Because he is with his old pals in OW2

Where is he now 😡

[barren musk]

Hi guys

[limpid agate]

It looks like he pops up sometime between Rio and Toronto

[uncut notch]

Yeah I guess

They did mention they moved Rio around in the timeline

[limpid agate]

So does Pharah

[barren musk]

Can someone remind me what was sojourns position in overwatch? Was she a commander or?

[uncut notch]

So it’s unclear I guess

[limpid agate]

@barren musk She was a Captain. After Ana's "death" she took over her role in the organization.

[barren musk]

Ohh

[limpid agate]

That lasted no more than a year before Overwatch shut down

[uncut notch]

I do wonder when they’re finally gonna tell us how McCree lost his arm

It happened between Blackwatch and present day but when

And why?

I think about that a lot

[peak escarp]

I think we'll get that story outside the game

in a short story or comic

[uncut notch]

I hope so!

[arctic loom]

well we got nothing about the last comic

probably will release

on march

[peak escarp]

I've lost interest in that comic

[limpid agate]

I don't know how Reaper managed to find a tailor, but he did.

@short scaffold He is the tailor

He probably made that uniform himself. He's been known to make his own outfits in the past.

[limpid agate]

I was expecting them to drop it this week and mention it at Blizzcon. Instead they didn't. And it looks like Iggy won't be a hero anyways now with that line crossed, so now its just an unimportant and mediocre side story.

[terse oar]

I completely forgot about the last London comic lol

[proud pike]

Iggy looks like just an omnic with a broken or really slow CPU

Throughout the comic, she behaves strangely, seemingly denying logic

[worthy rose]

If thats true that makes Reaper all the more badass!

[uncut notch]

Here is a nice interview on OW2. Nothing much we didn’t know already but it is canon that all the characters are a few years older than in OW1! https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/lohuft/transcript_of_alphacasts_blizzcon_interview_with/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

[limpid agate]

There will be story missions from the bad guys’ point of view.

And with that

Helix is all but certain

[lyric sluice]

wait fr

from blizzcon?

wait theres still actual content happening today?

[limpid agate]

From an interview

Its in that reddit post

[lyric sluice]

oh

ok since you clikced it immma click it lol

[limpid agate]

About 2CP maps

Don’t think of it as reworking the existing maps, but more like using the assets and go from there, “there could be an Anubis map in a new gamemode, set on the other side of the pyramid”

Guess this explains Kanezaka

Guess we can at the very least look forward to a new map in St. Petersburg.

[peak escarp]

All the characters are a few years older

I hope this is a translation error, because it was already confirmed that Zero Hour is only about a year after Recall

[arctic loom]

''Story and hero missions are completely separate Each mission has an intro and outro cinematic''

[arctic loom]

oh dear...

[limpid agate]

I'll try to find the source context for this

[arctic loom]

so many cinematics

[limpid agate]

Potential Junkerqueen T-Pose

[peak escarp]

Also Alphacast casually spotting the Junkerqueen T-posing in a corner, as already reported.

yeah that

[arctic loom]

yep

she will be a hero

on ow 2

[limpid agate]

Its fucking French

[arctic loom]

is likely confirmed

or not...

[limpid agate]

Found it

[arctic loom]

''Story missions can be played with multiple characters, but story constraints are applied. Dialogue changes depending on your team.''

oh...

[arctic loom]

i can imagine more than 1000

dialogues

between the characters..

[limpid agate]

I think its just arms and a weapon

Not a t pose

[arctic loom]

so you think is mostly like confirmed

she being a hero on ow 2

with sourjorn?

taiga?

the queen

[limpid agate]

She is already confirmed to be someone they have big plans for

Mauga was also confirmed to be an upcoming hero.

But both of those are comments from 2019

[arctic loom]

''Talent trees and customization
Still iterating, none of the characters and builds are set in stone yet. It’s the main development focus right now.''

wow..

[peak escarp]

as I expected

there's going to be a lot of iteration on the talents

[arctic loom]

yeah

[peak escarp]

so don't pay too much attention to the specifics right now

[arctic loom]

well ''All the characters are a few years older'' makes sense

why soldier look even

more older

than 1

''Heroes being made right now are using OW2’s engine and tools, and cannot be released in the current game (when asked if Sojourn shouldn’t be released now, since she’s finished)''

well i guess that going make community

quiet

asking about new hero this year

[peak escarp]

"a few years older" doesn't make sense

there's only a year between Recall and Zero Hour

[limpid agate]

Okay. Its her axe.

Even the grooves are the same, mostly

[arctic loom]

now for real taiga you really think

next year

the game will release...

i still think have a lot

[peak escarp]

next year is most likely

[arctic loom]

of progress to do...

[uncut notch]

I sure hope it’s next year

[peak escarp]

they will keep us updated though

[uncut notch]

Maybe they’re aiming for an anniversary release?

[peak escarp]

Jeff said they plan to be more communicative

[arctic loom]

this year is pretty much confirmed no new heroes all being made on ow 2 now

[uncut notch]

Yes I know

Anniversary next year

[arctic loom]

so i should consider maps too

being made all on ow 2

kanezaka is the last content of ow 1

[lyric sluice]

maybe they will change it?

also when is the overwatch original trailer set

after recall?

or before

[peak escarp]

then it produces the problem of what has everyone been doing since Recall?

after Recall

[lyric sluice]

idk

stuff

[lyric sluice]

oh nice

[peak escarp]

Echo seems to go straight to Paris after being woken up, which fits with the timeline

[lyric sluice]

echo even says high to winston for mcree which i think is nice

hi

why tf did i say high

https://tenor.com/view/overwatch-echo-hello-winston-winston-wtf-gif-17591066

[peak escarp]

best I can figure, Zero Hour happens in March

Echo was woken up on March 23, according to the date on the shipping manifest

[torn roost]

Am i the only one who wants a mercy backstory cinematic

[peak escarp]

we did have a short story

[torn roost]

what?

am i stupid ?

[peak escarp]

Valkyrie

https://playoverwatch.com/en-us/media/stories/valkyrie/

[lyric sluice]

hey doc guess who i found while looking up possible hanzo redemption arcs

@peak escarp

[sturdy valley]

Lmao watch iron man. Some genius got orphaned, created a flying suit and flies around helping people only that one is attracting simps and the other one is ded

[lyric sluice]

lol

[sturdy valley]

What? Try proving me wrong😂😂

[proud pike]

[lyric sluice]

no lmao i was agreeing with u @sturdy valley

smh

i never thought of it that way

widow is bucky without redemption

[sturdy valley]

Neither did I till I saw TGN‘s video (I think it was OW makes no sense Mercy) but I’m not sure

[lyric sluice]

LMAO classic TGN i luv them

[peak escarp]

those videos are shitposts in video form

[lyric sluice]

ik

lmao but their sarcasm is funny

[lyric sluice]

did u see my ping

[peak escarp]

yes

[lyric sluice]

lol its a smal web

[sturdy valley]

I only watched the videos with Rusty tbh. I don’t actually play OW but those Vids were so funny so I watched a shit ton, then a few days (literally not even a weeks after I started even caring about Overwatch, zero hour appeared and I got hyped so hard, started watching all cinematics and Reading some shorts and i Fell in love with the lore

[lyric sluice]

nice

[sturdy valley]

Gameplay is interesting tho. Soldier carries a heavy assault rifle whatever,
the FN Fal can basically take down aircrafts and it’s an assault rifle. What the fuck happened to weapons in 2077 that you need like 15 shots of a more modernized weapon intended to do the same thing in order to take out a normal human being not wearing any kind of armor

[peak escarp]

gameplay balance

in Hero he takes down a bunch of guys with one shot each

[sturdy valley]

And isn’t it kinda funny that when Doom smashed Tracer‘s accelerator thingy she went places but she wears it on her chest without any protection. To the battlefield where from guns to grenades up to maces n 200kilo hammers. Wtf was the designer thinking

[sturdy valley]

Still a funny thought tho

[worthy rose]

This where discuss OCs?

[iron plume]

No

[limpid agate]

@worthy rose #overwatch

[neon aurora]

@peak escarp OMG

It's me!

Pharah (HanaSong) from the forums!

[peak escarp]

oh

[neon aurora]

LOL

[peak escarp]

I don't know how to respond to that

[neon aurora]

there's multiple people here

from the forums

[proud pike]

Huh?

Okay... I think...?

[peak escarp]

since I just remembered it

Sojourn's last name is likely Chase

because every other seat on the dropship has the name of someone we know, and all of them are in Winston's photo

(Tracer is pilot)

[worthy rose]

Thx

[slim heron]

I love how a bunch of staff is made for each hero's sizes
rein and winston's chairs are huge
torb's workplace is low
etc

[neon aurora]

Huh...

Junkrat joins OW?

I have a picture of what seems to be Junkrate

*Junkrat

next to winston and the OW gang

[peak escarp]

link?

[cerulean ice]

highly doubt that

[neon aurora]

Here.

[peak escarp]

it's probably someone else

[neon aurora]

I'll DM u

[cerulean ice]

the orange ones of the pic u sent me were brigitte > tracer > mccree

[neon aurora]

I CANT

[cerulean ice]

left to right

[peak escarp]

no thanks

[neon aurora]

Anyways~ comma

ill send it to u

and u paste it- into chat

[cerulean ice]

u ignored what i said

[neon aurora]

oh no

theres another image

2 images

that are diff

which show D.Va and Zarya

and maybe junkrat.

It could be LUCIO tho-

It's just a REALLY rough sketch- so idk

[cerulean ice]

thats the pic u sent to me

[neon aurora]

No.

There's 1 more.

[neon aurora]

Thats the one.

[cerulean ice]

i just noticed bap is there

[neon aurora]

Yeah, its probably lucio.

[cerulean ice]

and anyways no thats not junkrat

[neon aurora]

So-

Zarya and D.Va seemed to have joined OW.

[peak escarp]

left to right
Brigitte, Mei, Genji, D.Va, Echo, Winston, Mercy, Lucio, Zarya, Baptiste, Pharah

Bastion also joins for at least one mission

[neon aurora]

All those hero's apart of the MAIN story?

[peak escarp]

and Sojourn of course

yes, they're all part of the main story

[neon aurora]

I mean.. i wasnt actually expecting D.Va to join OW

[peak escarp]

there is one mission with Zenyatta as well

[cerulean ice]

it doesnt necessarily confirm theyre joining ow

they could just need help

[peak escarp]

I would guess that Overwatch helps her take care of the Gwishin, so she returns the favor by helping them out

[neon aurora]

Probably.

Or, something strange happens with busan.

[opaque tundra]

I think Zen and Torb will be the "stay-behinds", in which they'll appear for one mission and not join OW

[neon aurora]

Yeah.

[cerulean ice]

not join what

[neon aurora]

Most likely.

[cerulean ice]

pretty sure torb is there

[peak escarp]

Torb stays at his workshop in Gothenburg

[cerulean ice]

ig with bastion alone too

from that one scene

[neon aurora]

Hm

Why does Zarya help OW?

That's the bigger question.

[peak escarp]

we don't know yet

I'm sure it will be explained in the story

[neon aurora]

Can't wait

But yeah: Bap, D.Va, and Zarya seem to have joined OVERWATCH or at-least helps.

[peak escarp]

and Pharah

[neon aurora]

Maybe.

[peak escarp]

we see her with them

[neon aurora]

All 4 of them are apart of the "New Generation?"

Could that be it?

[opaque tundra]

the interactions with her and bastion will be hilarious

[cerulean ice]

it doesnt necessarily confirm theyre joining ow

[peak escarp]

we see them with the Overwatch group in several different missions

[neon aurora]

Zarya next to BASTION!

[peak escarp]

them joining is very likely

there's a lot we don't know

and I am so eager to learn

[neon aurora]

Samee!

Zarya seen in 4 pictures.

D.Va seen in 2.

[peak escarp]

I love this one

[neon aurora]

LOL

[opaque tundra]

the expressions are amazing

[peak escarp]

Echo isn't a very good pilot

[neon aurora]

Pharah probably screaming @ her

i can see pharah being sarcastic at echo-

[cerulean ice]

ironic

echo is literally an ai

[neon aurora]

zarya rn:

Hmm.

[peak escarp]

I need to know why Talon is after Zenyatta

[neon aurora]

Zen op

they need discord from him

obviously

[peak escarp]

(also, Zenyatta standing)

[neon aurora]

LOL

Okay

[peak escarp]

Overwatch girl squad

[neon aurora]

i'm gonna explain my theory with Meka:

[arctic loom]

yay

pharah

going join they

she still have

the dream of join

[peak escarp]

she finally gets to live her dream

[arctic loom]

overwatch

so maybe she will leave

helix?

possible

[neon aurora]

Theory: Meka has corrupt influence at the top of the government. Maybe someone is giving the "Gwishin" tips (if that can work), so the Gwishin are always having more and more suprise attacks because they know what's currently happening there.

I don't know, could be possible, right?

[peak escarp]

the Gwishin are already known to be adapting to everything they do

maybe the Gwishin finally just adapted to surprise attacks

[neon aurora]

Probably.

But why is Null sector attacking tho.

Isn't Gwishin & Null sector 2 diff things?

[arctic loom]

also doctor

you saw rein going

[peak escarp]

yes

[arctic loom]

against bastion

[peak escarp]

Null Sector and Gwishin are separate

[neon aurora]

Hm.

[peak escarp]

probably not working together

the Gwishin only attack every few years, and they just attacked recently

[neon aurora]

That makes sense.

But what does Null sector want in Busan?

The same thing the Gwishin want?

[arctic loom]

overwatch might ask help with torbjorn

so rein going see that omnic the bastion

and will try to destroy it

[arctic loom]

yep

[cerulean ice]

rein paused when he didnt fire

[neon aurora]

Maybe Torb is screaming @ rein in the back-

[peak escarp]

Torb shows up to break the tension

[neon aurora]

Yeah probably

[arctic loom]

bastion got a little

upgrade

from torbjorn

and a hat

[neon aurora]

its ok, zarya would've bubbled rein anyways 😝

[arctic loom]

i believe the bird

still with bastion

idk if that bird

have a name

[neon aurora]

Bastion irrelevant-

Bird relevant

[terse oar]

Ganymede

[cerulean ice]

the bird is surprisingly still alive

theres a whiteboard with the bird on him

[peak escarp]

right before this

[arctic loom]

yep

he was like charging

[peak escarp]

Reinhardt charges at Bastion, Bastion backs up and defends itself

[arctic loom]

on bastion

[peak escarp]

but then Bastion doesn't shoot

so Reinhardt hesitates

[arctic loom]

so rein going try to recruit torbjorn

probably

since torb didnt answered the call

of winston

[peak escarp]

probably

but then Torb gives them Bastion instead

[cerulean ice]

i think torb will stay

theres a whiteboard with bastion on a ship

so yes he sent him

[arctic loom]

so mccree changed of idea

he going help winston

after all

[peak escarp]

he never said he wasn't going to

[cerulean ice]

lets not assume the events

[peak escarp]

he said he had other business first

that business was going to see Sojourn apparently

[lucid crater]

Did y’all see in the livestream when zen and genji were like at a stand still with sombra and widow

[cerulean ice]

we all did

[arctic loom]

doctor just had send

[lucid crater]

Sombra finna hack them both and I’m not ready

[arctic loom]

that pic

scroll up

[cerulean ice]

why is talon after zen though

[lucid crater]

[cerulean ice]

he has nothing valuable

[arctic loom]

maybe they want to kill

[cerulean ice]

unless

[lucid crater]

Or does he

[arctic loom]

the brother

of mondatta?

[cerulean ice]

sombra is there so its not just about killing zenyatta

[peak escarp]

not literal brother

[cerulean ice]

there should be more

[lucid crater]

True

[peak escarp]

monks call each other brother as a sign of respect

[lucid crater]

They probably trying to find out about the iris

Or like what it is

[arctic loom]

ok who is it

sojorn?

[lucid crater]

I wonder why mccree is there

Like sir what business do u have

[peak escarp]

he's there to get Sojourn

[lucid crater]

Oh is he

[arctic loom]

im really hoping to see hanzo

[peak escarp]

she's a former Overwatch captain

[arctic loom]

on story mode

helping genji somehow

[peak escarp]

he's recruiting her to join up again

[arctic loom]

first echo now sojourn

wow

[lucid crater]

But didn’t he say he had some unfinished business to attend 2 in the mccree cinematic

[peak escarp]

yes

[lucid crater]

[peak escarp]

this is it

[lucid crater]

Oh

[peak escarp]

I assume

[arctic loom]

so.. what about ashe? she will return to get revenge

against mccree?

[lucid crater]

Oooo probably

[arctic loom]

i doubt she is on jail

with the gang

[lucid crater]

Then like it will be a battle between overwatch and the deadlock gang

That would be cool

Idk if they would recruit her tho

[peak escarp]

not likely

she probably won't have a part in the story

[arctic loom]

neither junk

or road

[lucid crater]

I mean she might have a little part in the story

Not a big part

[peak escarp]

Ashe, Ana, Junkrat, Roadhog, Sigma, Soldier, Hanzo and Wrecking Ball are the least likely to be involved in the story

[arctic loom]

even sigma being with talon

i can imagine him being

a boss

on a mission

[cerulean ice]

ana and soldier i could see likely getting an appearance

[peak escarp]

he's a lab rat

not a boss

[cerulean ice]

hes literally a weapon

[lucid crater]

I think hanzo might, like join genji or somethin

[arctic loom]

of gravity

[cerulean ice]

unlikely

[peak escarp]

he also doesn't know Talon is exploiting him

they just keep him in a lab and let him do science

[cerulean ice]

they wouldnt just keep him there forever for no reason

[peak escarp]

why not?

[cerulean ice]

i could see him interfering with overwatch

[lucid crater]

Well even if some hero’s aren’t part of the story they will most likely have a story mission

[peak escarp]

he doesn't even have full control of his powers

[cerulean ice]

they see his powers to be valuable

thats why he is kept there in the first place

[lucid crater]

True sigma might have a part in the story

[cerulean ice]

he has suppressors

[peak escarp]

they already confirmed that not every hero will be in the story missions

[arctic loom]

but all

going be on hero

missions

[peak escarp]

yes

[cerulean ice]

im aware of that

[arctic loom]

with dialogues

[cerulean ice]

im saying theres a possibility

[arctic loom]

but not canon

dialogues?

[peak escarp]

interactions like the ones we have now

[lucid crater]

I do feel like they are gonna do like side story’s for the hero’s they don’t put in the story

[peak escarp]

they'll probably get some love in the external lore

like Ashe is getting a novel in June

[lucid crater]

Dude really?!

[peak escarp]

and they'll probably continue the Old Soldiers plotline

[lucid crater]

I didn’t know that

[peak escarp]

https://www.amazon.ca/Deadlock-Rebels-Overwatch-Original-Novel/dp/1338740369/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=Lyndsay+Ely+Deadlock+Rebels&link_code=qs&qid=1613886200&sr=8-1&tag=fantasticfi0e-20

When Ashe is arrested yet again on the morning of her high school graduation, her aloof, old-money parents decide to disinherit her from the family fortune. To steal back what's rightfully hers, Ashe teams up with her omnic butler, B.O.B., and local ruffian Jesse McCree for a series of heists, catapulting the trio into a game of fast money and dangerous alliances. Along the way, Ashe discovers that family isn't just about blood. It's about the people who've got your back when your back's against the wall.

Full of high-octane chases and action-packed stand-offs, the second novel for Overwatch explores the founding of the Deadlock Gang and the origins of fan-favorite heroes Ashe and McCree. Don't miss this incredible, original story straight from the Overwatch game team and critically acclaimed author Lyndsay Ely.```

[cerulean ice]

yall forgetting hero missions

theyre getting special character interactions and possibly cutscenes

[peak escarp]

not hero missions

Story missions

[lucid crater]

OooooOOOOO ima get that book

[peak escarp]

hero missions won't have cutscenes

[lucid crater]

It’s sad that they can’t put every hero in the story, but I understand why they can’t

I am excited to see how jack and Anna are gonna fit in the story

They are out doin there own thing

Or tryin to find reaper and kill him or somethin

idk

[cerulean ice]

im kinda sad that theres not a single vishkar related whiteboard

[peak escarp]

yeah they were going after Reaper

[worthy rose]

Not sure about trying to kill him since he was their friend but I think they might try to stop him

[cerulean ice]

its been like 2 years, whats happening to them lmao

[peak escarp]

the lore is slow, but it's worth the wait

[lucid crater]

Or that

[lucid crater]

I forgot about vishkar

[peak escarp]

I don't think Vishkar will play a very large role in OW2

[cerulean ice]

i hope we get side stories for that reason

[lucid crater]

Yea, they might be getting attacked by null sector

So

[cerulean ice]

seeing as to what the characters are doing during the crisis

[peak escarp]

but it is confirmed that some missions will be played from the badguy's side

so we'll probably get Helix to fight against

[lucid crater]

I’m excited to see widowmakers story

[cerulean ice]

i dont think theres much to tell about widowmaker

unless u mean her background which we already know

[peak escarp]

I'd like to learn more about her life before becoming Widowmaker

I want to learn about Amelie Lacroix

[lucid crater]

I mean yea but she showed up to her dead husbands grave so there is something there

Somethin is happenin

[lucid crater]

What is that good sir

[peak escarp]

I could be reading into it, but she seems frustrated with her inability to feel [positive] emotions

that's Widowmaker's response to Moira asking "How do you feel, Lacroix?"

[lucid crater]

Ahhhhh

[cerulean ice]

shes not literally emotionless

[peak escarp]

not entirely

but she seems to only feel positive emotions when she kills

[lucid crater]

yea

[peak escarp]

which is bad if she ever wants to live a normal life

[lucid crater]

I think she’s supposed to sound emotionless but her voice actress just delivers the lines with emotion

[peak escarp]

being completely emotionless is hard to do

and you want the performance to sound good

[lucid crater]

to be fair it is hard to sound emotionless

[lucid crater]

Yea

[worthy rose]

LOL

[peak escarp]

but Talon trusts her enough to send her on missions alone and let her visit her husband's grave and buy her own home, so there's no risk of her conditioning wearing off

[worthy rose]

just be like

monotone

thats how to be emotionless

A monotone Widow would be wierd lol

[lucid crater]

True, but it would stay true to her character being an emotionless spider

[cerulean ice]

eh.

[solar prairie]

I somber apart of the talons

[lucid crater]

Can we also just talk about the new designs

Mccree, snacc, widowmaker, snacc, reaper, spooky

[cerulean ice]

they just got shiny, nothing new

[lucid crater]

Everybody looking like a snack

[cerulean ice]

widow looks good though

[lucid crater]

I love her hair

And like her outfit

And like everything

And bastions little hat is super cute

The little bean

[vague quarry]

[vague quarry]

lego bastion

[lucid crater]

Bastion in general is just a little bean, but his damage can go flipping die

[peak escarp]

all the redesigns are just fantastic

[tardy silo]

she was a dancer, she was a normal person, her husband was part of overwatch and was targeted by talon

what more do you want to learn about her?

[peak escarp]

what was her personality like? how did she meet Gerard? did she know the OW team?

does her family think she's dead? what about her fans?

[proud pike]

Sry doctor, but i'll use your phrase

this is not very important for the story

i'd say not* important

[vague quarry]

ye

[lavish ferry]

I want to learn more about the tanks

I feel like we've gotten into d.va's head in her cinematic, same for rein

but what about the other tanks

I want to know why these characters are here, in the story

[cosmic crest]

I'd like to imagine that Amelie had a very domineering and assertive personality, kind of like how she is now but with more empathy.

[golden pewter]

I love the overwatch story alot I look forward to OW2. But I actually really want to know the past of overwatch more like Gérard and Liao as well as the first crisis
Hopefully they might talk about it one day 🙂

[hushed jetty]

Honestly I'd just love for some of these Not Important NPCs (tm) to get voice actors

I wanna know what Gérard sounds like...

[lyric sluice]

kill insects to feel happy lmao

[tardy silo]

i want an prequel for overwatch

[lyric sluice]

............

isnt that archives

[valid terrace]

Basically

[lyric sluice]

literally for ow all of it is just pre lore

ow2 is happening now

[tardy silo]

i want a full game

where you get to fight in the omnic crisis

and see the thing with blackwatch unfolding

and learn more about talon

[peak escarp]

yeah, pretty much all the lore we've gotten so far has been prequel stuff for OW2

[arctic loom]

the only mission we have weather

is storm rising right

they already started to put weather

on ow 1

[peak escarp]

yeah

that was their trial run

[arctic loom]

well that one is scripted but still is a very cool

effect

[peak escarp]

I think they could have pushed it farther

but the audio design when you exit the warehouse . . . still gives me chills

[golden pewter]

I'm really happy they've added weather elements, it can really ground you in the world also for upping the severity of the situation in the story while still in game. Honestly the little things really add alot 🙂

[arctic loom]

depending of your time zone

the map going be on day or night

or even rainy

[peak escarp]

I love that

I've been hoping for different time settings for the maps

[arctic loom]

yep not going be the same over and over map

with no change

[peak escarp]

ever since I saw sunset Ilios in the CTF maps

help to bring some variety

[neon aurora]

uhh

I found some more images

of D.Va

with OW

without Zarya

[peak escarp]

we don't know what order they join in

[neon aurora]

I would SHOW u

but i dont have regular role

:/

[peak escarp]

you can link it

[neon aurora]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zXAhwTMecE

10:59

*10:58 - 10:59

[peak escarp]

Zarya might be in the crowd on the ground

[neon aurora]

who knows

[peak escarp]

Winston seems to be among them

[neon aurora]

but yeah

thats dva

Hmm, where's the other meka squad?

[peak escarp]

probably still in Korea

[neon aurora]

You think it's possible

for D.Va to leave korea

and join OW for REAL?

[peak escarp]

maybe

she could just be on loan

[neon aurora]

True.

But i dont know.

It seems very possible

since d.va has one of those, "I gotta save people."

mentality

[peak escarp]

Every few years, the monstrosity would rise from the sea to assault South Korea and its neighbors.

the Gwishin isn't a constant threat, it only pops up every few years

[neon aurora]

True.

[valid terrace]

I mean, Overwatch was originally gathered from elites across the world to fight global threats

[peak escarp]

so D.Va could leave and come back when she's needed

[neon aurora]

So it's possible she could Join OW, but be apart of to groups.

So she could be apart of Meka still.

[peak escarp]

yes

[neon aurora]

But be apart of OW.

Make sense to me

[lyric sluice]

dammit now imma just be playing in dark maps cuz i only play at night rn

[lyric sluice]

what exactly is the gwishin lore

are they null sector?

[peak escarp]

no

[lyric sluice]

or just another omnic faction

[peak escarp]

they're a leftover from the omnic crisis

[lyric sluice]

oh

is the bastion skin for gwishin lore

[peak escarp]

based out of the omnium found underwater in the East China Sea

so they're aquatic omnics

[lyric sluice]

i want a pve there

imagine

underwater

[peak escarp]

that would be neat

[lyric sluice]

ikr

[peak escarp]

they could use the low-grav

[lyric sluice]

like outside lunar

blizzcon did its job im buying the game now

lol

[arctic loom]

now that omnic puller

im really liked

the design