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#lore-discussion
limpid agate
terse oar
Tbf, Symmetra was moved to DPS during that time
terse oar
Like it is now
hazy ibex
They could release a free beta of ow2 for players to try out
limpid agate
Why
hazy ibex
So players could five advice and keep the hype going
limpid agate
The beta is the last version you put out before implementation
Why would they do that when the game is very likely a year off
arctic loom
like i said im kind glad not coming this year because im grinding to get all cosmetics before ow 2 come
but im worried about
the rumors of him being free to play
the ow 1
i hope not true
tender light
i hope not true
Maybe we will see it at blizzcon
lucid sapphire
Hey guys what happened to the Overwatch Netflix series?
worthy rose
I never knew there was gonna be a series
tender light
Hey guys what happened to the Overwatch Netflix series?
Lol what?
lucid sapphire
You can look it up
lucid sapphire
It was stated there would be an animated series of Overwatch and Diablo
cerulean ice
probably still new
limpid agate
@lucid sapphire Nothing new on that front. Just wait, the Diablo one sounds like it'll happen first
lucid sapphire
ok
terse oar
If the Diablo one is anything like the Diablo IV cinematic, it’s going to be great
Which hopefully means the OW one is just as good
peak escarp
an Overwatch Netflix series was never confirmed
all we know is that some director sold the idea to Netflix - no word on whether they bought the idea or what style it would take
proud pike
sad
i'd like to see OW series with DF's origin story stile
It is awesome
Who can send that picture with the owners of the "Doomfist" glove? I can't find it
there were 3 owners on it
peak escarp
peak escarp
Adhabu Ngumi
the first Doomfist
not much is known about him
he was a hero during the omnic crisis
proud pike
I know only about second one
peak escarp
the only "good" Doomfist
proud pike
oh
worthy rose
I can never understand why people want zenyatta to have 2 harmony orbs and one discord. Isnt zenyatta all about finding balance? I get that they want to buff him up in a way but at least give him like.. 2 tuned down or reworked discord orbs. 2 harmony, 2 discords. Perfectly balanced.
proud pike
I can never understand why people want zenyatta to have 2 harmony orbs and one d...
I'm sorry, but its kinda wrong channel
Gameplay not = actual lore
worthy rose
I'm sorry, but its kinda wrong channel
I posted it in lore because this is a lore problem. The story behind the character. Giving two of one orb just seems wrong and unfitting to the character's background
If its a gameplay problem i wouldnt mind them giving two harmonies
proud pike
I posted it in lore because this is a lore problem. The story behind the charact...
Zenyatta's spheres are not canon at all
So... Its not a lore problem
worthy rose
Zenyatta's spheres are not canon at all
I know
worthy rose
So... What's the problem?
Isnt zenyatta a monk or some shit who talks about peace and balance
worthy rose
What?
proud pike
Repeat your thought, I think we misunderstood each other a little
worthy rose
Repeat your thought, I think we misunderstood each other a little
All im saying is that having one discord and two harmonies doesnt seem like "balance" to me. And i dont mean game balance. I meant his monk stuff about good vs evil or somewhere along those lines. And having two of a single orb doesnt suit his character's intended backstory
proud pike
Well, let's take it in order. Why did you think he had 2 spheres of harmony?
worthy rose
He doesnt. But everyone who wants a zen buff asks for this. As a long time zen main/otp, it just feels wrong. I enjoy playing zen not because i can frag, but its cuz i bloody love the hero concept.
There are so many ways to buff a hero but 98% of players want this change
proud pike
Okay
Now
According to the plot, he does not have these spheres.
And you're talking about gameplay
Which is not 100% lore-friendly
worthy rose
True
proud pike
So
worthy rose
I dont know lol some of us actually play the hero because we like them
Not because we're top500 at them or sum
proud pike
I understand that you want to discuss this idea, but use this #overwatch channel
proud pike
No, its okay
worthy rose
Doesnt seem okay to you
proud pike
Huh?
worthy rose
You seem pissed off at me
proud pike
No, I just want to help. There's a pretty strict administration here.
I'm okay with that, rly
peak escarp
what's the problem?
proud pike
Ehh... Nothing?
He / she just messed up the channels a bit and discussed the gameplay here.
Nothing special
valid terrace
He does have the spheres around him in canon
It's their effects that are questionable
proud pike
But they can't heal/damage you
valid terrace
Yes
proud pike
Also he gave one to the Symm
valid terrace
But it's likely he only has one harmony and one discord orb
proud pike
In Stone by stone
peak escarp
he does have the physical orbs
valid terrace
But it seems like there's a name for each
peak escarp
he gives one to Symmetra to meditate with in Stone by Stone
proud pike
Although as far as I remember, it described the fact that the person holding the sphere feels relaxed.
peak escarp
but he can't hang an energy orb on another person to heal/harm them
proud pike
yeah
peak escarp
like in the game
worthy rose
he gives one to Symmetra to meditate with in Stone by Stone
This sentence is so cute for some reason.
Whats a stone by stone? Is it a comic or short
Ive never read the comics
proud pike
Stone By Stone: https://bit.ly/36EsPul
limpid agate
Its a short story
peak escarp
it's a short story
proud pike
Short story
peak escarp
all around. The pilgrims broke their fast, then settled on pillows. When Satya first
followed their lead, she was anticipating the priests would ask her to meditate. It
was a practice she had attempted in the past but had found challenging. She was
surprised when they gave the pilgrims each a metallic sphere that fit in the palms of
their hands.
“These are the spheres we ourselves meditate upon,” Zenyatta told her.
“Like those in the bas-relief.”
He nodded. “I think for you…the Orb of Perception.”```Wait its text based?
peak escarp
it was full of great moments
worthy rose
Sweet! I hate comics anyway
proud pike
I don't remember the exact description, but there Zenyatta silently supported Symm
worthy rose
I guess zenyatta has so little lore im clinging on to his gameplay instead
peak escarp
be overheard.
Zenyatta, upon overhearing these mutters, stepped beside Satya. He said nothing, simply taking another spoon and serving alongside her. Some of the looks softened. Satya was not offended by the reactions but appreciated Zenyatta’s silent support.```I like Christie Golden's writing
proud pike
It seems to be a small moment, but very strong.
peak escarp
she has a good sense of character
proud pike
Well, the text itself is written pleasantly. There is no desire to close the story or postpone reading it for later.
I'd say catchy...?
idk how to describe it
proud pike
Exactly
peak escarp
I might look for some of her other novels, even though I'm not familiar with Warcraft lore
she did Star Trek and Star Wars novels too
and one for Assassin's Creed
proud pike
Not a fan
Hmm
I'll check AC later
I love her style
She has an attention to interesting details, but not a boring one.
Like
She can describe every character's move
And it will become boring
But she still describes their actions in detail, but does it in such a way that boring moments are excluded.
Even these hints that Symmetra is autistic. It doesn't say this in plain text, but it's clear from the description of the behavior.
It is very cool
proud pike
Same
hidden wing
Even these hints that Symmetra is autistic. It doesn't say this in plain text, b...
wdym?
peak escarp
she's concerned about the texture of the robe, she doesn't like her routine being interrupted, she has has trouble relating to people
cerulean ice
that and her perfectionist nature
silver oriole
cosmic crest
Having autism has noting to do with intelligence.
dry portal
Not necessarily but depending on the variation it can lead to the development of quicker understanding and an increased sense of spatial visualization
Which when you’re creating objects out of light by weaving them together that’s pretty important
limpid agate
Symmetra is noted at being a talented architech because she incorporated Indian dance techniques into her form rather than just pure arithmetic like the others.
Not because she is autistic.
worthy rose
If anything autism is a hinderance.I have autism and Im not the brightest person
worthy rose
widowmaker is hot
sleek palm
widowmaker is hot
we know
cerulean ice
d) somewhat still loves her husband
worthy rose
does she really? @cerulean ice
proud pike
Also ''Reflections''
She's standing on his grave with flower
so she wasn't 100% brainwashed
Or I'm wrong
limpid agate
so she wasn't 100% brainwashed
She was not.
cerulean ice
sullen gale
proud pike
?
peak escarp
no
proud pike
no
peak escarp
we know she remembers Gerard
hot heart
peak escarp
she gets defensive about him
peak escarp
also she put their wedding photo up around her house
she clearly values the memory of him
peak escarp
that would be a weird feeling
cerulean ice
shes not completely emotionless
proud pike
there was a dialogue about it as far as i remember
cerulean ice
with moira?
proud pike
yeah
cerulean ice
the other one also, i feel like moira was testing her
proud pike
I thought she was not like testing bher
peak escarp
proud pike
More like looking at her experiment results
peak escarp
cerulean ice
experiment for what
the brainwash?
that was not done by moira
unless u mean other things
limpid agate
Brainwash is a specific word
cerulean ice
its easier to say
peak escarp
how is it conflicting
Moira was suspected to be working for Talon even while she was in Blackwatch
cerulean ice
wasnt blackwatch formed before gerard's death?
peak escarp
yes
Gerard died around the time of Uprising, 7 years ago
Moira was part of Blackwatch 8 years ago (and was presumably ejected following the Venice Incident)
limpid agate
She was picked up by Blackwatch less than a decade ago
cerulean ice
i see
peak escarp
and her first appearance as Widowmaker was about 6 years ago, when she "killed" Ana
hushed jetty
anyways
How much do we really know about the leader of Null Sector? That omnic from the end of Uprising? Is it actually confirmed that that's them?
peak escarp
it's not outright said that he is the leader of Null Sector, but it's strongly implied
by both his design (which is consistent with Null Sector designs) and by the fact that he's setting up plans with Doomfist
leader to leader
lyric sluice
whoa cool
peak escarp
their plan had to be put on hold while Doomfist was in prison
lyric sluice
bet hes a boss battle in ow2 pve
peak escarp
but now that he's out, their plan can commence
that plan being Null Sector's invasion
peak escarp
of the world
peak escarp
in Zero Hour, Mei asks "Why is Null Sector attacking now?"
lyric sluice
i see
so how do they know of this threat already?
like who null sector is
are they already established?
lyric sluice
oh
worthy rose
No they're not
lyric sluice
then what
worthy rose
Some people think it might be hardlight
lyric sluice
but how does hanzo manifest them then
he dosent have a mechnanical arm
genji i would understand
he a robot
but hanzo also says that only a shimada can only control the drags
mayb nanotech?
worthy rose
Maybe.Nothing is really confirmed so we don't know for sure
lyric sluice
i hope they explain
worthy rose
Me too but we probrably won't get an answer for a long time
lyric sluice
i think i found an answer
Dec '18
The weird thing is that according to Hanzo, only a Shimada can control the Dragons. So if they’re simply hard light technology then why wouldn’t they be useable by anyone else?
I’ve seen suggestions that this specific branch of hard light might be DNA activated and injected into a person through the tattoo. Makes sense considering the Shimada clan was powerful enough to afford something like this and that Hanzo’s dragons come from his tattoo. It also fits the idea that it’s something only a Shimada can do.
I’m a little sceptical anyway because the dragon shape is still not as extraordinary or unique to be seen as exclusively Shimada technology. Vishkar builds cities out of light; I’m sure they could manage a dragon. But it’s as good as an explanation we can get currently without more information.
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peak escarp
it could be a family secret
it could be DNA locked
it could just be Hanzo being dramatic
I don't think what the dragons are is all that important
proud pike
Ngl, i think that they're quite important
Possibly its just Hanzo being dramatic.... but dragon really came out of his tattoo
Its interesting detail
peak escarp
but how is it important to the story?
proud pike
Overwatch is not just a story. This is the game universe.
need to explain some details to expand the game's world.
Perhaps our opinions differ, but I think that this is quite interesting information
If we remove all the facts that are "not important to the story", then we get a boring retelling.
Sometimes not all the facts should move the plot forward
Again. Opinions are different, I'm not going to change yours.
peak escarp
I just mean, explaining the dragons would be like explaining how hard light works, or how omnics work
yeah it would be neat to know, but it doesn't change anything
I don't think the devs even have an explanation for it
limpid agate
@dusk trellis No begging
valid terrace
Wrong chat as well
proud pike
What happened?
peak escarp
!!loreguide
twilit nacelleBOT
This is a guide for people who don't know where to begin with the lore of Overwatch. The first thing is probably to go watch the shorts. They're popular, easy to consume, and pack a lot of story and character.
Shorts Playlist: https://bit.ly/2UQyTeL
There are many comics, short stories, and blog posts as well. The most important ones are:
Binary: https://bit.ly/2IzNvJy
Masquerade: https://bit.ly/2IzNTI0
What You Left Behind: https://bit.ly/2Fh7MRz
There is also an important chain of events following Ana and Soldier 76 (and Mercy at the end):
Legacy: https://bit.ly/2DgM1jQ
Old Soldiers: https://bit.ly/2KLILTV
Bastet: https://bit.ly/2QuXHmM
Valkyrie: https://bit.ly/2CF5JVE
The rest of the stories are mostly optional. Special mention goes out to the Junkers, who have an entertaining string of stories:
Wasted Land: https://bit.ly/2DeKB9G
A Moment in Crime: http://bit.ly/2fMsVYB
Going Legit: https://bit.ly/2InZUkm
The Plan: http://bit.ly/2uZiitC
worthy rose
ty
hazy ibex
I think pharah will rejoin overwatch because she wanted to as a child and never could until now
cerulean ice
wdym rejoin, she never was a part of overwatch
and just imo, we dont need to have everyone join in overwatch just because they have heroic traits
iron plume
That last part is true but it’s hardly just the case of “heroic traits” for Pharah
it was her ultimate dream
she settled for something similar once it was shut down, but she still fangirls hard over it
cerulean ice
in the case of pharah yes, but still
iron plume
we’re yet to see if she likes the new one as much, but if any non-previous agent (that we don’t have confirmed yet) joins up, it will be her
hazy ibex
Ok
I was reading bastet, and it said soldiers wounds healed because of his super soldier stuff. That would be a cool passive ability if he didnt have sprint
lyric sluice
I was reading bastet, and it said soldiers wounds healed because of his super so...
isnt that the biotic tower field thingy tho
valid terrace
For in-game, yes
The only passive regen on damage heroes is shield health like Sym and I don't think they'll change it just for lore accuracy
iron plume
Him regenerating that quick wouldn't necessarily be lore accurate anyway
It seems like his regeneration is more on the scale of hours
hazy ibex
Thats about the time for in-game shields to heal anyway but ok
lyric sluice
hours?
hazy ibex
jk
worthy rose
If mercy's suit is called valkyrie, whats moira's? They look lowkey similar for the torso
peak escarp
I don't think her suit has a specific name
covert echo
I was just thinking, how does genji eat?
peak escarp
he can take off the part of the visor that covers his mouth
covert echo
well that was easier to answer than I thought. Thanks
limpid agate
Its Blizzcon week
I predict we will get the finale of London Calling sometime before the event
arctic loom
well... blizzcon coming and
idk what they going show on
40 minutes
maybe heroes
and new maps
only it
proud pike
it's kinda disappointing
sarcasm sign here*
peak escarp
sarcasm doesn't read on the internet
peak escarp
late
proud pike
It's funny to remember how I waited for this comic, thinking something in the spirit of: "Wow! as many as 5 comics!"
peak escarp
a series was a good idea, they just didn't make very good use of it
if I knew this was what we were going to get, I would have preferred 5 comics about different heroes
proud pike
Well, for me personally, as a Tracer fan, this was good news.
Main word is WAS
and because to me, the omnics represented by Iggy and Case are shown in it as..... idiots?
Okay, not idiots
More like
"Not so smart"
Iggy always messes up.
peak escarp
yeah, they were pretty dumb
arctic loom
so doctor what you expect to see on that
40 minutes
of ow 2
well just new heroes and maps
and maybe
more new skills
for hero missions
proud pike
40 minutes
Stand Up about "OW2 was a joke"
peak escarp
hero redesigns, more info about OW2, a focus on Hero Missions and Talents
peak escarp
Stand Up about "OW2 was a joke"
arctic loom
yeah i want to know a thing about that talents
proud pike
I think they'll show just more Talents
arctic loom
only for mission
fathom tartan
I wonder how cannon these talents will be
proud pike
I wonder how cannon these talents will be
Shrapnel Time bomb
peak escarp
your character level stays
proud pike
As Jeff said: "Imagine in multiplayer"
arctic loom
oh well that looks sick
i expect
more than 30
missions
and i hoping to ow not become free to play like people saying going happen
this blizzcon
probably is fake
peak escarp
it won't
fathom tartan
I heard battle pass and I wanted to cry
peak escarp
we'll probably have a battle pass
fathom tartan
Its actually more likely than keeping loot boxes
Jeff has said he wants something else besides loot boxes
peak escarp
Jeff said they're looking at other monetization options, and he liked the idea of a battle pass
peak escarp
many countries are making loot boxes illegal because they think they're gambling
fathom tartan
I just hope it dosent have a premium version
fathom tartan
Games that make you pay for that game and a battle pass COUGH COUGH r6
peak escarp
heroes will stay free
fathom tartan
Make me mad
peak escarp
and there will probably be both a free track and a premium track
like every other battle pass
peak escarp
why
fathom tartan
I wont be able to handle a premium pass mentally
arctic loom
yeah...
peak escarp
why not
fathom tartan
Battle pass makes you dump so much time into a game
peak escarp
I'd rather have specific items to work towards than get loot boxes full of random garbage
it's like the 9 win challenges
fathom tartan
I have multiple game i like and I understand free games doing bp because it makes sense but paid games should not have them
arctic loom
that battle pass would be only for exclusive
skins
not for event skins
seasonal events
seasonal events staying like how is
fathom tartan
BP can feel like glorified memberships sometimes
peak escarp
R6S is a paid game that has a battle pass
arctic loom
if really overwatch become free to play
some problems going happen..
comp going be a mess
unless they change level 25
to level 100
or more
smurfs... and hacks
peak escarp
comp is already a mess
peak escarp
on console you can make unlimited accounts after buying the game once
peak escarp
so there's a lot more smurfs
peak escarp
it hasn't destroyed the game
arctic loom
because is free
peak escarp
anyway, this is getting away from the lore
peak escarp
hopefully
peak escarp
I'd like to see what they're up to
that or something with Pharah
she needs more love
limpid agate
If its not a Helix/Pharah short, I'll be initially disappointed.
limpid agate
i'd be surprised if there was one
Why
There is a short at literally every Blizzcon but Blizzcon 2015.
2014 - The Exhibit Cinematic Trailer
2015 - None, but we got 4 cinematics in spring leading up to launch.
2016 - Infiltration
2017 - Honor and Glory
2018 - Reunion
2019 - Zero Hour
proud pike
although... if you think about it, it is not the best solution to release a cinematics now. I think they're announcing a story/comic.
Because the 2019 cinematic was more or less ending the backstory and starting the current storyline
Maybe I'm wrong
valid terrace
There are still other characters to set up
The shorts move forward in a general sense but they aren't exactly chronological
peak escarp
it's not going to happen
proud pike
Okay, but its wrong channel for tgat
Also
They bought unique skin
And so Blizzard won't add it back
It's like someone holding a promotion to buy the only thing in the world. Someone bought it, and then, a year later, this thing is launched into conveyor production.
Okay, as Taiga always says
Mowing swiftly onwards
lyric sluice
!!movingon
twilit nacelleBOT
Moving swiftly onwards
sick siren
What other playable characters is Symmetra closely affiliated / related to aside from Lucio and Zenyatta?
terse oar
Not really any other than those two
sick siren
I had this idea for a Symmetra archives mission but with only 2 characters it's kinda hard
terse oar
There’s a chance she’ll be involved in the OW2 story
More likely than other characters
peak escarp
so far the only other hero she has crossed paths with is Zenyatta
arctic loom
so she is a pupil
fresh tundra
If she's being set up with lore now, it's safe to say she'll have a major role in the story I think
arctic loom
like genji?
peak escarp
sorta
terse oar
like genji?
Yes, although not quite as serious as Genji
peak escarp
she spent about a week with Zen
terse oar
That’s it, and it’s for light construction
arctic loom
her spray as a kid her have both of arms
terse oar
Yes
peak escarp
why not?
fresh tundra
I don't consider sprays canon unless they depict an event that's happened personally
Idk
Separating the game from the outside lore is hard
I guess you could
peak escarp
peak escarp
she looks around 10-12
fairly young
here's all the instances of the heroes as kids
from sprays, shorts and origin trailers
peak escarp
why them?
sick siren
They're all connected through Zenyatta
And their arcs could see them all crossing paths
peak escarp
how is Orisa connected to Zenyatta?
sick siren
She stated (in game) that she wants to learn about the iris
sick siren
But I mean it can certainly allude to possible events and theories
Like with Widowmaker and Moira
peak escarp
and Orisa is probably going to be helping out Overwatch in the near future, based on the ending of Hero of Numbani
“She? Who’s she?”
Orisa looked around at the students. Every single eye was focused on her. “I can’t say right now. But with luck, our trip will be a short one. A quick sojourn abroad, and then right back to Numbani so your studies aren’t interrupted. I will explain further once we are airborne.”```Sounds impossible
Symmetra only just met Zenyatta, and Orisa still hasnt
Not to mention, Orisa was only recently creative
You literally cannot have an archives event around them
The only two in that set that met were Genji/Zen
And that was after Overwatch shutdown
proud stag
Hey guys please keep gameplay discussion out of here
limpid agate
This isn't gameplay discussion. This is discussion about potential archives teams and their impossibility because of the lore.
peak escarp
they don't need to reveal everything up front
worthy rose
but they did it with tracer
worthy rose
fair enough i just take issue with the fact that he was made gay after the fake girl on an owl scrim came public news.
peak escarp
those are two unrelated events
worthy rose
the guy who was top 50 na on doom/genji didnt get a team. said he was a girl then he did, few days later soldier is gay
wouldnt soldier being gay overshadow that case? i think so
then again some old comics hint at soldier hanging out with some guy
so u could argue that it was hinted from 2016
peak escarp
the story was written months before that controversy
peak escarp
it's not like they had something that they put out overnight
worthy rose
so y did he have to verify it on twitter
worthy rose
so torb will be daddy of ow then
peak escarp
what
limpid agate
so y did he have to verify it on twitter
To specify on why people asked
They asked if he was gay or bi.
And the devs replied gay.
Its the same with Tracer
worthy rose
hazy briar
understandable
distant field
wtf
hazy briar
lmao
distant field
jewvia
hazy briar
who that
distant field
taiga\
hazy briar
idk who that is either
worldly goblet
anyone know char juvia or ranii
limpid agate
Why?
worldly goblet
im looking for them
limpid agate
Why?
worldly goblet
they are my friends
limpid agate
No, I'm not.
worldly goblet
its ninja
limpid agate
This channel is for lore discussion only.
proud pike
Moderator?
arctic loom
just ping taiga
proud stag
This isn't gameplay discussion. This is discussion about potential archives team...
Sounds great 👍🏿 Keep following the rules to make sure this server stays a fun but organized place for everyone!
proud stag
This channel is for lore discussion only.
Yeah guys please listen to Taiga-via here. We must all follow the rules to make sure this server stays organized so that people can enjoy each channel for its intended uses.
proud pike
Sounds like a sarcasm, not gonna lie
cerulean ice
sly snow
Wait, is Sigma the strongest lorewise? Remember hearing that somewhere
iron plume
It's all arguable depending on your definition of "strongest" but Sigma has a very solid claim at maximum potential
sly snow
I mean he does control gravity and his character would fit the role as he’s being manipulated by Talon
lyric sluice
when doomfist killed his mentor the scourge of numbani did he kill him to save the city or to just get the gauntlet or something else
also is he part of a cult that all gets those arm thingys
or did he get the arm from his family prostehtics company
peak escarp
when doomfist killed his mentor the scourge of numbani did he kill him to save t...
it definitely wasn't to save the city
lyric sluice
wait so scrouge of numbani meant that his mentor terriozed the city or he terroized the world and he was from numbani
lyric sluice
nice
how does genji double jump
ik i have a lot of dumb questions but the keep me awake at night lmao
proper bay
Using a small burst of the dash ?
iron plume
"The dash" isn't really a burst
lorewise the "double jump" is just a higher jump, where he also flips
he's not pushing off of anything
proper bay
can change of direction
lyric sluice
he's not pushing off of anything
oh
iron plume
changing direction is a gameplay feature
lyric sluice
like how genji can disaper into smoke in dragons
and tracer can go into the air with blink
and widow can just use infared whenever
cosmic crest
That's backwards. Those are things they can do outside of the game but not in it.
crisp shore
I wish Blizzard just made another menu entry in the game just for Lore stuff, where you can check out all the shorts and articles. Whatever's out, so it's in one place and not just YT.
lyric sluice
That's backwards. Those are things they can do outside of the game but not in it...
ummm yea i said in the cinematics not the game?
i said like how genji can dissapear into smoke
except he cant in game
limpid agate
There are things people can do in game that they can't in shorts either.
Like Roadhog can take two arrows through his skull and then heal it by ingesting his anti-radiation medicine.
dim horizon
I wish Blizzard just made another menu entry in the game just for Lore stuff, wh...
IIRC they've said the reason they don't do this is because it would place too much bulk on the game's file size to have all the cinematics in the game itself.
crisp shore
Well I thought about that
dim horizon
They said they might consider some sort of streaming option - but then that's basically the YT solution as it is.
crisp shore
Why not do it as some sort of... opt-in download-if-you-want-to-see-it
kind of thing
And then it downloads to your folder
Like your highlights
dim horizon
Probably a matter of supply and demand. There isn't enough demand for that sort of things to invest the manpower and resources into developing it.
limpid agate
Its better done as a streaming service than a download
crisp shore
But I feel like this would take a capable and invested person just a few days
limpid agate
Theres more to it than just coding it
Making a feature is more than just Programming
dim horizon
Even relatively small things that might seem easy are a) Never that simple and b) Need to go through a ton of quality assurance, testing and approval for an AAA game.
crisp shore
The Chinese OW site actually has the shorts downloadable https://ow.blizzard.cn/media/
And somewhat higher quality than YT
Thing is it's Chinese
dim horizon
And I'd rather have that developer working on a new map, hero or other gameplay-related improvement.
Hosting them on their website is a different thing entirely.
crisp shore
Even relatively small things that might seem easy are a) Never that simple and b...
Yeah, sure, I'm aware
dim horizon
That would be entirely doable I'm sure.
crisp shore
It's just I know these guys care about the lore.
They still put out comics.
And short stories more or less recently
I want those shorts in 4k. Or at least full, not YT-compressed 2k.
You know they got that.
last inlet
I'd appreciate just links to the page like they kinda do with the patch notes, but that'd still be work
worthy rose
i keep hearing people say torb made junkrat's and roadhog's gun. or that junk and hog made them their selves.
i think the second one
limpid agate
i keep hearing people say torb made junkrat's and roadhog's gun. or that junk an...
Junkrat made his own gear
We don't know where Roadhog's gear came from
Presumably Bruce.
worthy rose
whos bruce?
limpid agate
Bruce is an engineer that lives in Junkertown.
He's one of the only people in town Roadhog respects.
Bruce also supplies him with cans for Hogdrogen
proud pike
I'm not sure if we can say that its canon, but on Xmas RH's skin we can see a little text on his gun: ''From Junkrat''
Again, its not canon, but....
proud pike
Yeah
But it would be quite funny if RH's gun is a gift from JR
Not funny, but interesting*
cinder dirge
Is RH rein hart?
last inlet
Roadhog
limpid agate
But it would be quite funny if RH's gun is a gift from JR
It isn't.
Roadhog had his gun before he met Junkrat
proud pike
ah
limpid agate
We can see this in Wasted Land.
proud pike
got it, thanks
proud pike
probably a dumb question, but where did the S76 steal his rifle from? and where is it told?
I just remember that someone said that S76 steal his pulse rifle
But... where?
iron plume
Watchpoint: Grand Mesa
https://playoverwatch.com/en-us/news/19809235/
peak escarp
yes
lyric sluice
wait nvm its a map 🤦♂️
peak escarp
Blizzard and its games (except for Overwatch) exist in the universe of Overwatch
peak escarp
yes
peak escarp
but Overwatch heroes aren't in it
lyric sluice
but ow exisits in heros of the storm
proud pike
Watchpoint: Grand Mesa
https://playoverwatch.com/en-us/news/19809235/
wow, thanks
robust lance
mei was genitally to stop any spikes of dopamine within the human brain for maximum pain
peak escarp
!!shitposting
twilit nacelleBOT
Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
proud pike
proud pike
I have a little question about Sombra
In her origin story we can see, that she's looking on some kind of scheme
So... She know that Reaper = Reyes and S76 = Jack, right?
near shard
most likely, seeing as how she can find anything out about anyone shed probably know the whole story. There is also a voice line interaction between S76 and sombra that suggests Sombra knows more about S76 than shes letting off
proud pike
Interactions are not 100% lore based
for example Sombra/Tracer
Orisa/Bastion
Reaper/Mercy
etc
Actually... If it was in her origin, it can be actual lore
But I'm not really sure
So thats why I'm asking knowing people
(no offense)
near shard
yeah but its not like everything is lore based, if it was, we wouldnt have reaper and widow maker on the same team as mercy or soilder
proud pike
Interactions are not 100% lore based
that's what I said
I'll hint more openly. If you do not know the answer to the question, then it is better to keep silent.
iron plume
So... She know that Reaper = Reyes and S76 = Jack, right?
we don't strictly know about Soldier, but we do have confirmation on Reaper
iron plume
Q: Who knows Reaper is Gabriel?
A: So far: Ana and Jack (when they encountered him in Old Soldiers) and Sombra (because she Knows Things).
Even with everything that's happened to Reyes, Ana and Jack would be able to recognize him immediately, given all their close experience serving together over the years.(To make it extra confusing: it gets a little more complicated in-game because we chose to have some non-canon interactions because I think it's more interesting to have Reinhardt take out Reaper and say, "Traitor!" than to accurately reflect that he doesn't know Reaper's true identity. But as I've said before, events in game shouldn't be considered strictly canon.)
no link because it was on the now-nuked old forums
proud pike
its okay
I think that she know about S76/Ana too, after all this scheme was in lore material. And this ''she Knows Things'' is some kind of hint
Its just a guess
But still
But thank you for your answer, I'll keep it in mind.
cerulean ice
it actually is confusing since voicelines are, again -- not strictly canon but seeing sombra as "knows everything" its uh
yeah
terse oar
Interactions are not 100% lore based
Interactions are like playing with action figures. They represent a character’s knowledge and beliefs, but the actual conversation itself never happens
peak escarp
and that web is seen in her room in Castillo, so it's a real thing
near shard
I'll hint more openly. If you do not know the answer to the question, then it is...
i wasn't trying to answer the question i was giving my thought and theories, "most likely".
peak escarp
its implied that Smbra has been giving Soldier info on Reaper
pliant sparrow
Does null sector have a position on her web
terse oar
From the portion we can see, no
But the graphic was made before Null Sector was ever shown
valid terrace
Also Doomfist and Moira know, as well as Mercy and presumably all of Neowatch if she told them
lyric sluice
echo should have a dialog with mcree only on route 66.
i agree
mcrecho
echocree
that sounds bettter lmoa
lmao
cant fucking spell
terse oar
Echo will comment when McCree uses his ult (“Where’d that tumbleweed come from?”) if that helps
quasi turtle
Echo will comment when McCree uses his ult (“Where’d that tumbleweed come from?”...
thats SICK
terse oar
thats SICK
terse oar
Np 
radiant otter
Any1 that can explain me the lore? Ik it's kinda simple but I wanna k ow more tbh
limpid agate
!!loreguide @radiant otter
twilit nacelleBOT
This is a guide for people who don't know where to begin with the lore of Overwatch. The first thing is probably to go watch the shorts. They're popular, easy to consume, and pack a lot of story and character.
Shorts Playlist: https://bit.ly/2UQyTeL
There are many comics, short stories, and blog posts as well. The most important ones are:
Binary: https://bit.ly/2IzNvJy
Masquerade: https://bit.ly/2IzNTI0
What You Left Behind: https://bit.ly/2Fh7MRz
There is also an important chain of events following Ana and Soldier 76 (and Mercy at the end):
Legacy: https://bit.ly/2DgM1jQ
Old Soldiers: https://bit.ly/2KLILTV
Bastet: https://bit.ly/2QuXHmM
Valkyrie: https://bit.ly/2CF5JVE
The rest of the stories are mostly optional. Special mention goes out to the Junkers, who have an entertaining string of stories:
Wasted Land: https://bit.ly/2DeKB9G
A Moment in Crime: http://bit.ly/2fMsVYB
Going Legit: https://bit.ly/2InZUkm
The Plan: http://bit.ly/2uZiitC
vast zinc
thanks for the lore on mercy
peak escarp
they did get a short story together
regal coral
Yeah ik, Idk it feels pretty incomplete? I'm not sure how to explain it
but im sure more things will come out in the future
peak escarp
it's likely leading into Zenyatta's part in OW2
since he was in India in the gameplay trailer
regal coral
it's likely leading into Zenyatta's part in OW2
ow2...
peak escarp
I want to see what Pharah is up to
regal coral
the only reason im gonna wait on OW2 is cuz Lucio looks cool
regal coral
I want to see what Pharah is up to
yeah theres not much besides shes Ana's daughter
And it would be cool to see a bit of moira besides like
peak escarp
she's a captain for Helix Security, which has come up a few times
peak escarp
I have a feeling Helix will be important
regal coral
I have a feeling Helix will be important
Me too, I'm all here for Pharah lore
limpid agate
Zenyatta and Symmetra are both unimportant characters.
That being said, I was considering adding Stone By Stone to that loreguide.
I personally speculate that it will be relevant to why Zen is in India... But you don't need to read the story to know that.
The actual events of the story aren't important for the story, just for Symmetra's character development.
The events important for the story happen outside Stone By Stone. Namely, Zenyatta is on a pilgrimage in India.
dense token
reaper trained mcree in overwatch but he def got experience with working with ashe.
limpid agate
We will see more of that in the novel for sure
worthy rose
Wait there gonna be a novel?What is it called?
proud pike
Huh, I've just heard S76's line about Reyes and Deadlock gang.
I don't remember the exact wording, but what did he mean?
cerulean ice
Huh, I've just heard S76's line about Reyes and Deadlock gang.
I don't remember...
which one?
he doesnt have a line specifically about deadlock but he has this
oh this
he probably meant by like getting rid of the deadlock completely
somewhere before mccree was given a choice to join blackwatch
when deadlock was caught**(?) idk
iron plume
I think he's talking about "finishing them off" after the bust where McCree was invited
valid terrace
I think sparing them was one of McCree's joining conditions
cosmic arch
This might be a stupid question, but how exactly is Moira evil?
sacred whale
She's not evil
cosmic arch
Rly?
hushed jetty
Well if you consider "evil" working with a terrorist organization, then yeah I suppose she's evil
Otherwise though I don't really think so. Her morals are a bit... off, yeah, but I don't think she's done anything particularly evil
iron plume
She's not moustache-twirling saturday cartoon villain evil
But she's evil by real-world standards
Carrying out unethical experiments and joining up with a global terrorist organisation to do so is generally very frowned upon, no matter how many times you say it's For Science
Like, effectiveness and side effects of her genetic treatment aside
Even if you imagine the actual goal of her research would be something considered unambiguously good, she doesn't come off good.
If a scientist said "I'm signing up for ISIS with the express goal of causing a third world war because I think it'll help us get to easy and cheap green energy for the whole world"
You would consider that scientist evil
and say "why don't we do the green energy part without the world war part"
Either she's fine with what Talon is doing and she's evil, or she doesn't know and she's stupid. And if there's anything that Moira isn't it's stupid
cosmic arch
So she joins talon and doesn’t care what they do as long as it helps her research, and believes it’s for the better?
iron plume
well, I guess there's also the "mad" option, but it doesn't stray too far from evil anyway
basically, yes
She signs up for Talon because no one else will support her research
We don't know if Talon (well, Doomfist) actually believes in that research making the world better or they just need someone to genetically enhance their soldiers
maybe both
And from her side, we don't know if she actually buys into "world in conflict is the only way to evolve" but she's at the very least willing to tolerate it
and by "it", i again mean global terrorism and a third world war
cosmic arch
basically, yes
She signs up for Talon because no one else will support her resea...
Why doomfist?
iron plume
Because even if it’s not official, he’s leader of Talon
Ideologically at least
he has the big plan, everyone else we’ve seen so far goes along with it for personal reasons or out of loyalty and/or fear
cosmic arch
Sry, my knowledge of ow lore is limited to animated shorts & origin stories
iron plume
Check out the comics if you’d like, they’re a bit of a deeper dive but still easy and quick
cosmic arch
Ok, I’ll try to have a look
cosmic arch
I just read “a better world”, and what’s wrong with what Vishkar are doing if they are bending reality to make slums better?
terse oar
Because they’re removing a lot of the citizens’ freedoms with curfews and restricted activity
cosmic arch
Oh
peak escarp
But Lúcio's close-knit community was thrown into chaos when the multinational Vishkar Corporation secured a contract to redevelop large tracts of the city. Lúcio and his neighbors had been told that the development would improve their lives. However, that promise never became a reality. Vishkar imposed controls on the residents in the name of building a more orderly society: enforcing curfews, cracking down on what the company perceived as lawless behavior, and exploiting the populace as a cheap labor force.
it would improve their lives, but restrict their freedom
which isn't a very good tradeoff
cosmic arch
Oh, didn’t Lucio’s father have something ti do with creating that technology?
terse oar
Yes
cosmic arch
That interaction with mercy
cosmic arch
lucio stole it from them, rallied the people and drove out the vishkar?
terse oar
Yes
cosmic arch
Was it symetra that went to lucio’s city?
peak escarp
and related
Symmetra did work in Rio, yes
that's what's shown in A Better World
cosmic arch
Oh, thats lucios city
peak escarp
Occupation: DJ, Freedom Fighter
Base of Operations: Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
Affiliation: None```
vague jackal
I never knew lucio was 26
cosmic arch
Isn’t there something between Lucio & dva? He’s 7 years older than her
cosmic arch
Oh, my friends that are into Overwatch said that they were dating
peak escarp
they're not
cosmic arch
Ok, they normally get things like this wrong
It took me a while to persuade one of them that sombra is in talon
I believed them because of the autograph interaction
peak escarp
why would she ask for an autograph from someone she was dating?
lyric sluice
u just got doctored lmao
serene hedge
Widow has a long braid now and I’m loving it
BRO MCREE AND WIDOW’S NEW DESIGNS ARE mmmmmmmyesssss
opaque tundra
We got Zen lore:
He doesn't float
terse oar
We learned that in Stone by Stone
opaque tundra
Yeah but I was still in denial back then
terse oar
We got so much from this BlizzConline
opaque tundra
Ok I'm gonna try and summarize a lot
Confirmed heroes in the story:
Pharah
Zarya
Mcree
DVA
peak escarp
Zarya was a surprise
terse oar
McCree as well
opaque tundra
Plot points:
Widowmaker is supposedly after Zenyatta
Uhhhh some omnic yelling for help
That's all I have deduced
iron plume
Not to aggrandize but I always thought McCree would be in
terse oar
Having the Talon heroes as, what I assume, hazards/bosses is neat
peak escarp
I'm happy McCree is involved
iron plume
his talk about "taking care of business" always sounded like a set up to meet him in a mission somewhere
opaque tundra
I'm gonna go hunt for screenshots and maybe ramble more
terse oar
The new Null Sector units blew away my expectations
Having them crawl on the ground is terrifying
iron plume
yeah they're pretty damn cool
peak escarp
terse oar
I noticed that to lol
hazy ibex
He looks weird
terse oar
It’s weird seeing his face with the visor