he's theatrical
#lore-discussion
peak escarp
dim horizon
Compared to when he was Reyes. No long-winded monologues for the Rialto guy. Shoot first, questions later.
peak escarp
he even makes his own costumes
dim horizon
Ha, yeah.
limpid agate
Even when he was Reyes he was theatrical
limpid agate
He could have executed Antonio quietly
Shooting him out a window is more theatrical
dim horizon
True.
peak escarp
killing Antonio was out of character
dim horizon
Which makes sense, as it is him hitting that slippery slope on his way to ultimately becoming Reaper.
But yeah, when you're seemingly unkillable (judging by the ending of the Recall short) I guess you can afford to embrace theatrics over pramatics.
And just go full ham.
peak escarp
no
arctic loom
is just say ow 2 development is very slow
what doesnt makes sense
is by a leaker called
metro
why would be that slow...
they had all whole 2020
pliant sparrow
Metro isn't reliable
opaque tundra
C o v I d
arctic loom
to do something about the development of game
pliant sparrow
And it takes longer than a year to develop a game
opaque tundra
They obviously made some sort of progress
pliant sparrow
They definitely made progress
limpid agate
@arctic loom Metro is not a reliable leaker
Their clame to fame is being wrong about half of what happened at Blizzcon 2019, and still having people believe they were right
proud pike
?
nocturne fog
high noon?
proud pike
urban jasper
Lol
limpid agate
They are skates
And he can use them to skate on walls, yes
It was shown in the Rio mission intro
It was probably in the Orisa novel too
proud pike
And they are made of hard-light, yes?
limpid agate
Yes
proud pike
aha
thanks
So.... Colored hard-light is canon?
Cause they're green
And Genji's dragon is green
It's just a guess, but still.
swift mason
Well we see yellow hardlight in the stone by stone story, so yea, colour hardlight is canon
And it’s speculated that the dragons are also hardlight, but not outright confirmed
limpid agate
Its been canon for a while
proud pike
Its been canon for a while
Why just for a while?
Just then there is a question about why then all the shields are blue?
Although DF's shield was completely invisible.
cerulean ice
its the natural color of hardlight ig?
im not sure if the umbrellas on paris were hardlight but they are purple
limpid agate
Vishkar, the company, is blue.
proud pike
What about Brigitte's shield, then?
limpid agate
There is no explanation for why other barriers are blue
limpid agate
But back when they were made (by Blizzard), the only other hard light hero was Symmetra
Then they started making other applications of it in other colours
Zarya may or may not count too
cerulean ice
i was abt to say it doesnt have to but its weird
limpid agate
The hexagons are not a defining feature of hard light
Only Reinhardt/Sigma/Winston/Brig have those
I guess Sym wall too
proud pike
yes
limpid agate
But overall, these are made as a consistent gameplay mechanic
Plain barriers are all hexagonal
The line between lore and gameplay is blurry
dim horizon
Yeah, in lore they're supposed to have built entire cities out of hard light. Wouldn't be very useful if all the buildings were a translucent blue with hexagons all over them.
proud pike
tru
pliant sparrow
There are probably different types of hardlight
Sort of like how you have many different types of carbon
worn island
is it even explained how hardlight works
like, it just seems like a fancy name to give to things that are transparent but also physical
cerulean ice
well yeah, thats basically it when they were designing on symmetra
it never really gave out too muh detail other than that it is a literal solid light
worthy rose
@pliant sparrow do you know what time it is...? You must answer all my lore questions
tired prairie
no
valid terrace
Just make sure they aren't obvious answers
Asking questions is fine but you should probably take it more seriously
worthy rose
What does hanzo shout when he uses his special?
How did Genji become a cyborg?
Is Torbjorn a- wait thats a stupid question
How does Bastion heal himself
Where do Bastions get their ammunition?
Did Soldier 76 want to be part of blackwatch?
Did Reaper use to be a good guy?
How does Torbjorn go into Overload?
If winston is smart as f why does he use a weapon that tickles you
Why does winston have glasses? (I know it's from his caretaker but gorrila's eyesight is good)
How Zenyatta float?
Where does Zenyatta get his orbs from
If Mondatta is dead why didn't they take his memory card out and pop in a new guy
How did Widowmaker slow down her heart?
@pliant sparrow answer the questions
were any of my questions stupid
terse oar
Hanzo shouts “Let the dragon consume you”
spring sage
He asked what does Hanzo shout.
terse oar
Genji became a cyborg after Hanzo mortally wounded him
spring sage
He shouts Dragon consume my foes
terse oar
He asked what does Hanzo shout.
My bad
Solider 76 didn’t want to be part of Blackwatch because he led Overwatch
Reaper used to be Gabriel Reyes
Torbjorn’s Overload is yet to be seen in canon
Tesla cannon “tickles” for gameplay reason
Zenyatta’s orbs are carved in Nepal, according to the art book (which is potentially outdated)
Widowmaker had her heart slowed by Talon
worthy rose
Tesla cannon “tickles” for gameplay reason
He also “likes to leave the heavy lifting to the professionals”
spring sage
Didn't the Tesla cannon one shot reaper in the OW cinematic
pliant sparrow
There is a chance that the 'memory' for omnics is stored in the head, where sombra hit, or that the 'life' they have cannot be uploaded
terse oar
Widowmaker ^
rain echo
So many questions
clear totem
like, it just seems like a fancy name to give to things that are transparent but...
I think it was father Jeff who said some things exist in the universe just because they need them to like hard light
clear totem
Widowmaker had her heart slowed by Talon
she could've just rubbed cobalt on herself
she has a feminine appearance and a female voice but is ultimately an omnic
lyric sluice
is echo a male or female
she mimicked liao so female
peak escarp
Winston has glasses because he has bad eyesight
cerulean ice
its already been said that echo isnt an omnic
limpid agate
All Omnics are robots
Not all robots are Omnics
Echo is a robot.
She is not a robot
Bastion, Zenyatta, and Orisa are the only omnic heroes
limpid agate
Does Symmetra count?
arctic loom
i guess
terse oar
We know of Genji and debatably Symmetra
limpid agate
I don’t think he has, has he?
Stone By Stone
cerulean ice
i mean he is a monk so symmetra would count
clear totem
Interesting
full cairn
Jeff release overwatch 2 already
Release it we've been waiting over a year and a half
worn island
no
full cairn
I guess Jeff isn't working on ov2
cerulean ice
has been keeping silent about ow2
guy thinks theyre not working on it
mf pls wait till blizzcon for announcements
limpid agate
@full cairn Don't be impatient. Wait for Blizzconline before overhyping or doomsaying.
urban jasper
Why is everyone so hyped about ov2
limpid agate
Since you asked in the lore discussion channel
It brings a full story campaign
It will also release alongside a pile of maps and heroes, which is even more story stuff to explore.
peak escarp
it will be the biggest addition to the lore since launch, or even before
arctic loom
yeah i care about lore and new heroes and map
all years i be sure to play the missions
of archives
always
is my favorite event
probably for doctor too
swift mason
Archives is just the most popular event in general, it shuts up the competitive people that say “OW HAS NO LORE”
swift mason
Well not all of the skins
Reaper’s nevermore skin description just quotes an old play
calm bloom
mercy witch of the wilds canon?
limpid agate
btw all skins who have a description about
No
A lot of them aren't
The biggest offender is Doomfist's "Irin" skin
cerulean ice
mercy witch of the wilds canon?
its just a story lit told by rein so no
cosmic crest
Mercy wore a witch costume to a Halloween party so it's cannon in that sense.
cerulean ice
not rlly
cosmic crest
wdym?
cerulean ice
what
cosmic crest
She wore a witch costume at the Halloween party in the Junkenstein comic.
Junkenstein: https://bit.ly/2Is3WZ4
hasty basalt
junkensteins revenge is not real/canon the mercy witch costume is
tranquil sun
why didn't widow just lean a little to the right lol
iron plume
Mercy wore a witch costume to a Halloween party so it's cannon in that sense.
well, kinda
unlike Reaper’s, she didn’t wear that witch costume
it’s a witch costume but it’s simpler than the skin
limpid agate
@cerulean ice @cosmic crest The party is Canon. The story is not. The costume is from the story not the party, and is also not Canon.
rain star
is reinhardt confirmed to be the narrator of junkensteins revenge?
limpid agate
@tough steppe This channel is for lore discussion only.
rain star
ok thx
dim horizon
So here's a question - is the consensus that the Yakuza-looking guys we see Hanzo taking out at the beginning of the Dragons short are actually members of the Hashimoto mentioned in the new map lore tease? And not members of the Shimada Clan as originally assumed?
As the lore tease seems to suggest this new syndicate are the ones occupying the castle in 'present day' OW.
peak escarp
that does seem to be the case
I always sort of assumed they were caretakers of some kind, not the Shimada clan, since they were said to be dismantled by Genji/Blackwatch
But as time passed, Genji felt increasingly at war with himself. He was repulsed by the mechanical parts of his body and could not come to grips with what he had become. When his mission was complete, he abandoned Overwatch and wandered the world in search of meaning.```lol hanzo speaks of assasination i always thought perhaps he was paid to get them/someone else and it coincided with his yearly visit to hanamura
limpid agate
Pompadour Security Guard might be Hashimoto
The wiki had him listed as Shimada. That might have been my fault, I forget
But I fixed that
dim horizon
There did always seem to be a disconnect between us being told the Shimadas were a clan of ninjas and then the castle guards seeming like fairly unremarkable mafia grunts.
So it certainly makes sense to me that they're Hashimoto instead.
peak escarp
and related to that, we have a hint as to when the dismantling of the Shimada clan happened
also, the "Overwatch Official Murdered" headline is likely about Gerard's assassination
and the headline about Cairo is probably related to why Morrison wants to send Mercy to Egypt after Storm Rising
pliant sparrow
Wonder what japan had against overwatch
peak escarp
they violated sovereignty by going in to take down the Shimada family without government authorization
pliant sparrow
Ah
wet axle
so you play overwatch? give me all of the lore.
peak escarp
!!loreguide
twilit nacelleBOT
This is a guide for people who don't know where to begin with the lore of Overwatch. The first thing is probably to go watch the shorts. They're popular, easy to consume, and pack a lot of story and character.
Shorts Playlist: https://bit.ly/2UQyTeL
There are many comics, short stories, and blog posts as well. The most important ones are:
Binary: https://bit.ly/2IzNvJy
Masquerade: https://bit.ly/2IzNTI0
What You Left Behind: https://bit.ly/2Fh7MRz
There is also an important chain of events following Ana and Soldier 76 (and Mercy at the end):
Legacy: https://bit.ly/2DgM1jQ
Old Soldiers: https://bit.ly/2KLILTV
Bastet: https://bit.ly/2QuXHmM
Valkyrie: https://bit.ly/2CF5JVE
The rest of the stories are mostly optional. Special mention goes out to the Junkers, who have an entertaining string of stories:
Wasted Land: https://bit.ly/2DeKB9G
A Moment in Crime: http://bit.ly/2fMsVYB
Going Legit: https://bit.ly/2InZUkm
The Plan: http://bit.ly/2uZiitC
cosmic crest
That doesn't even make sense as a shitpost. They have no relation.
spring flume
That doesn't even make sense as a shitpost. They have no relation.
It’s a joke but you know. You can still be a little bitch about it
spring flume
I doubt saying shit isn’t either
valid terrace
This is a serious discussion channel, joking should be moved to #general-discussion
worthy rose
wait what lore is there in overwatch?
cosmic crest
Scroll up.
worthy rose
k
limpid agate
@spring flume Play nice.
spring flume
Oh I am
worthy rose
Chill out edgelord, this isn't middle school
valid terrace
Drop it
limpid agate
@worthy rose That applies to you too.
spring flume
Chill out edgelord, this isn't middle school
What did I do?
Kid thinking he’s funny
Probably a sombra main
limpid agate
Moving swiftly onwards
limpid agate
@worthy rose She is not a psychopath.
limpid agate
Yeah that's a shitpost.
peak escarp
she's not an expert in "cryogenics and the human body"
she's a climatologist
cryogenics is freezing organic matter in a controlled laboratory
not controlling the weather
limpid agate
Its not
peak escarp
the only AU for Overwatch is the Junkenstein AU
hushed jetty
Alternate universes are fine and dandy but they're just that. Alternate universes. They're not canon, so what's the point in discussing them?
Discussing them *here, at least
limpid agate
Its not even an alternate universe
HotS or Junkenstein are.
People's memes about Mei being evil or the devil or a psychopath aren't.
worthy rose
Overwatch shows us what is still happening till this day irl
cerulean ice
what?
worthy rose
racism
cerulean ice
sure but not rlly
worthy rose
i mean from what ive gathered of all the animations the omnics are being treated like shit. like in the vid Hero you literally see an omnic being bullied!
limpid agate
There is a comparison to be made about oppression and inclusivity, but its not as simple as in our world.
Considering humanity invented Omnics, and Omnics threatened to wipe out all of humanity.
cosmic crest
I don't think being anti-omnic can be attributed to racism since they are a different form of being entirely.
iron plume
anti-omnic sentiment can be seen as a metaphor for racism, but it's a pretty iffy road to go on, considering omnics actually started a world war
cosmic crest
I think it's more accurate to say the abuse of omnics is meant to be a message against discrimination in general.
With racism being the most obvious parallel.
But you can't directly compare people who are anti omnic to racists since;
1: Omnics started a world war.
2: Omnics are fundamentally different from humans.
3: Omnics were created by humans.
lyric sluice
i have a question- are the voice lines lore
like during the "prepare to attack" phase
cuz rein was asking sombra to fix his phone
and that would never happen i dont even think they know each other
also are all the skins lore to
novel plank
I think some of the legendary skins are lore
terse oar
The interactions are like playing with action figures, they represent the character’s beliefs and experiences but the conversations themselves have never happened
For example, McCree does like strong liquor as he says in his interaction with Hanzo, but the two have never met
terse oar
also are all the skins lore to
Only certain skins are canon
valid terrace
Most of the ones with a description are canon, but not all
As well as the ones in archives
lyric sluice
Only certain skins are canon
ahh ok
lyric sluice
As well as the ones in archives
i think the 2 echo skins stealth and the other ones are the prototypes for echo so i think there canon too i mean they look like her concept design
cosmic crest
I don't see why they would be.
terse oar
Echo’s design hasn’t drastically changed really, compared to other heroes who have a concept art skin like Lucio
lyric sluice
ik but the 2 skins dont have faces but echo does and her concept art didnt. Maybe that picture with echo without a face is one of the skins as a way of blizzard fixing its lore
limpid agate
@lyric sluice The concept art isn't canon
Her appearance in the cinematic trailer is also a retconned image
lyric sluice
<@!676458654953897985> The concept art isn't canon
ik i meant like in the early picure with a bunch of unamed ow agents with torb in thr front
she has no face
ill dm u the image since im not reg yet
peak escarp
lyric sluice
dosent the early face look like the faces of the skins?
oh never mind
the skin is still white
well maybe it will be in the future
an archive event for when ow fell?
valid terrace
Still needs a team to do something
limpid agate
ik i meant like in the early picure with a bunch of unamed ow agents with torb i...
That's the Cinematic Trailer
And its retconned
This image is retconned
valid terrace
Maybe we could get a Talon one where they free Sigma or something, we already have most of the important 4 man missions
limpid agate
It also has Bastion with no minigun, and says Bastion/Zenyatta/Lucio were members of Overwatch
The same short also says Pharah was a member of Overwatch
That slideshow was retconned years ago
It was retconned the day it came out
terse oar
I never noticed Bastion had no mini gun in that picture
lyric sluice
That's the Cinematic Trailer
ohhhh also whats retconned mean 😅
limpid agate
Not canon anymore
stable geyser
retconned basically means they regret some decisions they made about lore because it doesnt add up/make sense any more, so they change it in order to be consistent with the new lore
if you've seen x-men: days of future past....the ending of that movie is an extremely hard retcon of the x-men: the last stand
lyric sluice
if you've seen x-men: days of future past....the ending of that movie is an extr...
OMG YES OK I UNDERSTAND
they completely screwed xmen timline
at least they kinda fix it with deadpool 2
*kindaaa
stable geyser
they compeletely shat on x-men with the last movie
stable geyser
that was just a bag of dogshit
lyric sluice
magneto in the train was dope tho
worthy rose
@pliant sparrow hello
pliant sparrow
worthy rose
<:ZenyattaCry:710408700585705503>
Do you still want to see your family
worthy rose
I never noticed Bastion had no mini gun in that picture
Doesn't he? His gun arm is somehow hidden by one of the shortest Heroes
limpid agate
Doesn't he? His gun arm is somehow hidden by one of the shortest Heroes
The minigun is on his back
Its absent in that picture
worthy rose
Aaaaaa
Ops
I thought you were talking about his arm
Now that i think about it, where's the tank config. Cannon?
iron plume
It's canon that there are Bastions with Tank mode, we've seen those in Uprising
But it's most likely that in lore it's a separate model from minigun Bastion
Since unlike the minigun it appears out of nowhere
worthy rose
Right? It's odd
worthy rose
But it's most likely that in lore it's a separate model from minigun Bastion
Well, in uprising there are bastions with both the minigun and the tank mode
And they don't look any differently than Bastion
terse oar
They’re saying that Bastions don’t actually transform between turrets and tanks
They’re either Recon/Turret or Tank mode
worthy rose
Right now that i think about it we either see them as tanks or as turrets
I mean it's not the first ult to not make sense
And i'm still waiting for blizzard to animate transcendence, high noon and heh molten core
terse oar
Transcendence is not canonically as it is in gameplay
It was explained in Stone by Stone
worthy rose
There is a comparison to be made about oppression and inclusivity, but its not a...
I don't understand that though. You don't see any of the null sector troops just strolling down the streets. Who you see are just humanoid omnics. And they're not violent towards humans. That would be like saying aliens come to the earth and say that we all are at fault for something only a fraction of us did
terse oar
It’s still association
It’s like how if one person in a group does something wrong, the whole group is punished
pliant sparrow
You could consider it similar to how people put extremist religious groups in the same boat as the vast majority of religious people
worthy rose
It’s still association
Yeah with 4 people in a group of ten
Not the entire human kind and a group of 50 fanatics doing some idiocy
pliant sparrow
I don't understand your point
The omnic crisis was a global war between humans and omnics, it would be suprising if there wasn't still mistreatment of omnics due to it
worthy rose
It is just mccree having good aim
Yeah but come on it'd look so good. Also i know transcendence is different than in game but they didn't exactly say that no? Maybe everyone transcendences differently
peak escarp
Japan was at war with the United States - for a while after WWII, Japanese-Americans experienced increased hostility and racism, despite having never even been in Japan
same thing with omnics - civilian omnics who were built long after the omnic crisis still experience hatred and hostility for what happened during the Omnic Crisis
worthy rose
The omnic crisis was a global war between humans and omnics, it would be suprisi...
Yeah, but being omnics, robots, some were made, built, to fight, some for... Servicing? Like the omnic butlers scattered across the maps
terse oar
It was a classic western gunfight/standoff, what more do you need to show for Deadeye?
pliant sparrow
Cree starts glowing red thanks to the curry he ate earlier
terse oar
Cree starts glowing red thanks to the curry he ate earlier
That pie had something huh
worthy rose
Yeah, but being omnics, robots, some were made, built, to fight, some for... Ser...
So why would ppl try to fight fckn butlers
Also is civilian omnic production not going on anymore? Are they a finite not growing number?
peak escarp
the only thing missing from Deadeye in Reunion was him glowing like the sun, which is just something added in the game to make him easier to spot
valid terrace
On the topic of Omnic rights, there are people alive that remember when Omnics didn't even exist, so treating them as people is probably strange. As well, nearly every person alive lost someone in the Omnic Crisis, so it's not like you'd welcome them openly.
terse oar
So why would ppl try to fight fckn butlers
Also is civilian omnic production not...
Yes, omnics are no longer being made. This is said in London Calling
worthy rose
It was a classic western gunfight/standoff, what more do you need to show for De...
Fucken red light and him saying it's high noon, people would CUM money to see that
peak escarp
according to Iggy they're not being made anymore
pliant sparrow
There are a hell of a lot of people who grew up suffering because of the omnic crisis
pliant sparrow
Was it 20 million children orphaned?
terse oar
The omnics are not publicly being produced
pliant sparrow
I remember baptiste giving a figure
terse oar
There
peak escarp
Numbani seems to have a thriving omnic population and access to an omnium
Zenyatta was built post-crisis
pliant sparrow
There is also the east china sea omnium
worthy rose
Honestly, too many questions, too little answers
terse oar
Honestly, too many questions, too little answers
Tbf, the game is rather young
They haven’t been focusing on the lore until recently either
peak escarp
I think when Iggy said "we are all we have" she was talking specifically about the omnics in the Underworld
not omnics in general
worthy rose
If they put the same amount of talent and budget on the lore than they put into animating the pie scene in reunion we would also be transcending
With lore
pliant sparrow
That pie looked amazing though
worthy rose
Right?
The pie looks like it comes from heaven
Half of the heroes too btw
Then in game we have this
terse oar
I agree. But anyway, they haven’t been putting as much effort into the lore since most people play OW for gameplay
worthy rose
worthy rose
I agree. But anyway, they haven’t been putting as much effort into the lore sinc...
Well, a full campaign mode for ow 2 has to give us something
terse oar
I doubt half of the player base even knows about the comics...
worthy rose
I doubt half of the player base even knows about the comics...
Bruh
peak escarp
sadly
worthy rose
Honestly i started playing cuz of the voice acting
terse oar
Well, a full campaign mode for ow 2 has to give us something
I’m hoping so, I have my expectations for the campaign set high
peak escarp
I started playing because of Matt Mercer, so I feel you
worthy rose
I overheard "it's high noon" and said what the hell i need this
terse oar
The voice acting is probably what I’m looking forward to most with the new heroes
worthy rose
I see many people saying our voice actors are some of the best non english voice actors
I would agree if i wouldn't know what they were saying
Because, take mercy's ult lins
It's loud and powerful, full of hope yada yada
In every other language it's always so... Meek?
Sigma's ult in english (dutch) is one of the best in the game
In fucking spanish he says i hear the armony of the spheres
What the actual fuck
K rant done
worthy rose
I’m hoping so, I have my expectations for the campaign set high
Mine too. I hope it's got new abilities for everyone like they showed for tracer
terse oar
Hero talents will be available for every hero. We’ll most likely see more at BlizzConline
cerulean ice
last inlet
In fucking spanish he says i hear the armony of the spheres
That's a reference to the universal music/música universalis, which is also known as the harmony of the spheres. It might be what Sigma hears when he talks about the universe singing to him
lapis aspen
I’m hoping so, I have my expectations for the campaign set high
ikr
im literally so excited for what the campaign is gonna bring
there's so much potential there that i really hope it fufills
terse oar
I’m mainly hoping it’s of decent length
lapis aspen
could just be 4 maps the length of havana
limpid agate
We know its more than that already
lapis aspen
5 maps the length of havana then
limpid agate
!!shitposting
twilit nacelleBOT
Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
bold estuary
maybe 6 😁❗️
worthy rose
what abt 7
peak escarp
we don't know how many missions to expect
it should be enough to give us a satisfying story
proud pike
we don't know how many missions to expect
Ehh? Jeff said 5-6 missions, no?
peak escarp
he didn't say how many missions there would be
proud pike
Like 5-6 replayable missions
proud pike
Or he was talking about hero-missions?
lyric sluice
i hope lucio didnt die during that one demo......
worthy rose
!!shitposting
My god they made a joke
limpid agate
My god they made a joke
Not the place for it.
scarlet apex
Honestly i started playing cuz of the voice acting
I started playing cuz a cute girl I knew in high school recommended it to me
scarlet apex
kinda
proud pike
Oki?
scarlet apex
ok I shall proceed to talk about lore stuff then
worthy rose
Did you know that during the omnic crisis
proud pike
ok I shall proceed to talk about lore stuff then
ya, thanks
worthy rose
A little girl called umm alejandra said to Soldier:Cygus Lorman "you should play Overwatch"
Cool lore
limpid agate
Moving swiftly onwards.
proud pike
limpid agate
@proud pike They were muted. Moving swiftly onwards means move on.
proud pike
Yeah, thanks
limpid agate
That means your comment there is also unnecessary.
proud pike
Sry
cerulean ice
!!loreonly
twilit nacelleBOT
This channel is for serious discussion strictly related to the lore of Overwatch. Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
limpid agate
No
worthy rose
The voice of soldier 76 Roberto Draghetti has sadly died. : Overwatch. is what the reddit says
this is confusing
limpid agate
That's the Italian dub
worthy rose
oh shit
what
I KEEP MESSING THINGS UP IN LORE
lore is a deadly place
im never returning here
peak escarp
yeah this is old news
peak escarp
it's the reason I stick around
worthy rose
Overwatch lore is like a golden marshmallow
clear totem
Overwatch has some of the best lore of any fps
If only the team compositions reflected it
worthy rose
*everyone picks support*
I call moira
limpid agate
This channel is for lore discussion
pale loom
I just saw Reaper's wiki article and MY GOD this mans is just hatred incarnate
mans had it rough
meager hearth
if widow cant feel anything why she groan when she gets shot in her hard or like somewhere non lethal 🤔
terse oar
She doesn’t feel emotion, that doesn’t mean she can’t feel pain
worthy rose
@pale loom Yeah Reaper's life sucks.He thought his friend betrayed him,narrowly escapes an explosion,and is now forced to live in constant torment
silver oriole
AND Repaer is (most likely) deformed and "ugly", so he probably has no chance of getting a relationship if he wanted one.
Anyone would see him and freak
peak escarp
he already had a family
silver oriole
He did?
silver oriole
I was unaware of this
peak escarp
it's somewhat implied that the family he's stalking in Reflections is his family
judging by their age, one of the adults could be his child
slender hound
Where does sigma get his rocks?
peak escarp
he pulls them out of the ground
slender hound
He just yoinks them out of the ground?
limpid agate
He just yoinks them out of the ground?
The rocks are the ground.
slender hound
Well yes.
limpid agate
Its supposed to be that he is ripping it out of the ground, and then throwing it at you
limpid agate
You can't change the map
So he can't literally rip the ground out and throw it
But that's what the ability basically is
slender hound
I was just thinking more of particles like doom punching a wall tbh.
He leaves a dent in the wall.
That goes away.
limpid agate
You can see some of his other emotes are him forming rocks from the earth to sit on
slender hound
His sitting emote I think.
cosmic crest
This is the lore channel.
clear totem
lmao
hot heart
golden cloak
i main sombra
same
hushed jetty
how exactly was gerard lacroix killed? i know it was amelie, but what was the method?
is this something we know?
terse oar
I think he was called in his sleep, but I’m not sure
cosmic crest
I always imagined he was stabbed in his sleep.
terse oar
I was imagining the throat
limpid agate
Could be anything.
But Amelie was not suspected
She was presumed dead
So reasonably, its something that they would attribute to assassination.
Probably a pillow suffocation or gunshot.
lyric sluice
maybe poison cuz poison mine?
lyric sluice
but i like making d.vas die
i main echo and dvas my favorite target
lyric sluice
lol
worthy rose
My so called friends made me feel bad about being shit at the game
worthy rose
prove them wrong then be and screw them as genji
Plus one person said im garbage at widowmaker, but when we did a 1v1 i killed him 4 times-
lyric sluice
Plus one person said im garbage at widowmaker, but when we did a 1v1 i killed hi...
then prove them wrong as a grandmaster widow lol
ez
limpid agate
@worthy rose This is not a gameplay channel
Stop derailing it with random offtopic comments
limpid agate
maybe poison cuz poison mine?
Eh, I don't think it was poison.
lyric sluice
oops sry mod
lyric sluice
Eh, I don't think it was poison.
oh ok just a thought lol
limpid agate
Based on poison killings in movies and media, they usually wake up first to die
limpid agate
Of course not
lyric sluice
cuz i remember somone saying something bout how everyone dosent know how echo will react to everything
how like she no longer being "controlled safley"
cosmic crest
I don't think she will turn evil, but she is potentially the most dangerous thing on the planet. Her combat adaptability would make her virtually unstoppable if she went rogue. It's likely that was why Overwatch decided to seal her away.
lyric sluice
so like a vigilante like 76?
cosmic crest
Well, she has joined Neo Overwatch, so technically yes?
lyric sluice
oh yeahhhhhh
honestly i want a cinematic with every ow character in it
like an endgame
do it jeff
last summit
Yeah
limpid agate
Won't happen for a long time
iron plume
Talon already have their world deleter in Sigma
but yes, overwatch sealed her because she was too powerful, not because she was in danger of going rogue
or even less so “evil”
lyric sluice
is sleepys vid about ow2 coming out may tru or not
sick siren
Symmetra's level of mastery over hard light engineering make her a formidable foe or a powerful ally, Overwatch would be lucky to have her.
limpid agate
@lyric sluice Don't listen to random overhypers or doomsayers.
Just wait for Blizzconline
sick siren
Just wait for Blizzconline
24 days I think
limpid agate
Feb 19
sick siren
They better not make us wait until Saturday - we better get it Friday Night
@limpid agate
limpid agate
What was the point of that ping
sick siren
idk, just wanna talk about lore
peak escarp
big announcements tend to happen during opening ceremonies, with further details at later panels
sick siren
If anything we'll get a beta this year with a release in 2022
peak escarp
Blizzconline might be a bit different, but they'll still probably show the important stuff at opening ceremonies
I dont see how it could take another year to release
sick siren
OWL has said they won't change into OW2 during this season - indicating a late year release if anything
OW1 will still be playable after OW2's release right? They really need to discuss this element more.
peak escarp
or it could release in the middle of the year and OWL continues to use OW1 for the rest of the season
OW2's PvP and OW1 will be the same
same maps, same heroes, same modes
sick siren
So I don't need to worry about immeadiately buying OW2 when it releases, coolio
peak escarp
you only need to buy OW2 if you want to play the PvE
sick siren
Which I do, I desperately do.
peak escarp
unless something at Blizzcon changes my mind, I expect OW2 to release in May, for the 5th anniversary
unreal tartan
I think a release at the end of the year isn't unreasonable, but the odds of getting it in the middle of the OWL season is highly unlikely. It has to come out either before or after the league
peak escarp
why?
and why couldn't the OWL just phase in the new heroes/maps the same as they have in the past?
unreal tartan
It would be a way bigger shift than just adding one hero
Although, that would make for a really interesting season
So I guess it isn't impossible
limpid agate
!!shitposting @fleet gyro
twilit nacelleBOT
@fleet gyro Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
lyric sluice
<@!676458654953897985> Don't listen to random overhypers or doomsayers.
ok gud gud ... but i was still hopin 😢
arctic loom
yeah I agree with doctor need to be this year
because if we be without new heroes this year
idk how community
will react
sick siren
It just doesn't seem likely tbh
cosmic crest
If the game doesn't release this year that means it's development period will have been longer than OW 1 despite the first game being built from the ground up.
arctic loom
just because a book says sneak peak of ow 2
doesnt mean is the game
is sneak peak of the book
of ow 2
probably
is what i believe
lyric sluice
i hope echo will have a redesign though she probably wont since shes so new
if they dont release ow2 this year they better add sourjoun to ow1
terse oar
i hope echo will have a redesign though she probably wont since shes so new
Every hero will be getting a redesign
arctic loom
all years overwatch had at least one hero each year
doesnt makes sense
this year
not come anyone
terse oar
Well before, OW2 wasn’t as heavy in development
peak escarp
most years we got 3 heroes per year
in 2019 and 2020 they were focused on OW2 development
terse oar
They’re redirecting nearly all of their work effort into OW2
peak escarp
so we got 2 in 2019 and 1 in 2020
terse oar
I find it unlikely we’ll get another hero
peak escarp
but they have said that Echo will be the last hero before OW2, so I wouldn't expect any until then
arctic loom
yes
peak escarp
or maybe the wait won't be that much longer
terse oar
Hopefully...
arctic loom
well what we getting new on ow 2 new maps,story mode,new HUD
new pvp mode push
redesign for all
terse oar
!!ow2
twilit nacelleBOT
terse oar
You don’t have to list them now lol
unkempt crypt
when they say that they're redesigning the heroes do they just mean the aesthetics or the abilities
peak escarp
and this is just what we know about - there could be more features they haven't shown yet
terse oar
when they say that they're redesigning the heroes do they just mean the aestheti...
Aesthetics, but maybe a hero rework or two
arctic loom
updated engine?
peak escarp
better AI programming for the PvE so they aren't as dumb as the Archives bots
terse oar
An early demo at that
There probably will be more missions and mechanics in it than we know
arctic loom
well that push mode is really interessing didnt see a push mode like that
in other game
idk if have
lyric sluice
Every hero will be getting a redesign
yay
limpid agate
well that push mode is really interessing didnt see a push mode like that
I think its in WoW.
burnt briar
Btw according to Bro You Wack Asa is not the new hero
Asa was writing to her husband about THEIR DAUGHTER
peak escarp
who?
burnt briar
And it is suspected the weapons mentor of Genji us not the shimada clan
peak escarp
we know Genji's swordmaster isn't from the the Shimada clan
his swordmaster is Asa Yamagami
burnt briar
You see if Genji trained in the shimada clan, why does Hanzo use a bow and arrow?
peak escarp
because he gave up the sword after "killing" Genji
burnt briar
So the weapons mentor if Genji is likely to be Asa or the daughter stuff
burnt briar
Asa is writing to her husband about their daughter so we don't know for sure if it's Asa or their daughter
peak escarp
There are moments when I can scarce believe the world in which I walk now: You, making beautiful work for undeserving pigs. I, who trained the scions of Sojiro Shimada, forced to turn my swordmaster’s blade against my own.
peak escarp
Asa trained "the scions of Sojiro Shimada", aka Genji and Hanzo
we're not getting any new heroes until OW2
burnt briar
Ah but Jeff said no heroes FOR 2020
peak escarp
that's not what he said
burnt briar
And it is said in the opening of the letter that WHEN CHERRY BLOSSOMS BLOOM
peak escarp
Cherry blossoms bloom in late March/early April
burnt briar
According to Master Ian Gamer the date where Japanese cherry blossoms bloom is between the end of May to the start of April
peak escarp
because that's what time of year it is when OW2 starts
none of those youtubers know anything
burnt briar
Ummm the preview for Ow2 is in November
burnt briar
THE PREVIEW IS IN NOVEMBER THAT MEANS WE GRT OW2 AFTER NOVEMBER
peak escarp
it has a "sneak peak" of OW2 because it will have concept art used for OW2
burnt briar
Yes so that means Ow2 will come out after that
terse oar
Wouldn’t it be the other way around...
They show concept art for a game after it’s released
burnt briar
No
peak escarp
yes
terse oar
Just like they did for OW1
burnt briar
You do have a point I guess
peak escarp
you need to stop believing everything you see on youtube
terse oar
^
burnt briar
So with the delay of season 27 that means one thing
hushed jetty
they say "sneak peek," and there's an unstated "behind the scenes" there i suppose
burnt briar
Ow2 is coming out between Feb to April
terse oar
I admit, I watched the YouTube videos you mentioned, but they were mainly theorized out of hope
peak escarp
the OWL delay could have nothing to do with it
burnt briar
BLIZZCONLINE BETTER TAKE PLACE SOON
terse oar
Feb 19...
burnt briar
Ya I know
terse oar
They announced it like 4 months ago
burnt briar
Btw my birthday is after Blizzconline
terse oar
Ok
burnt briar
JEFF GIVE ME A GOOD BIRTHDAY PRESENT
peak escarp
calm down, stop yelling
terse oar
^
burnt briar
Lmao
peak escarp
there have been a lot of theories thrown around lately and none of them have any sources
the Kanezaka fox hero could be Asa, it could be Asa's daughter, it could be someone unrelated who is the vigilante protecting Kanezaka
the vigilante protecting Kanezaka could be Hanzo
we don't know anything
burnt briar
Also any lore stuff for Brit?
terse oar
Brig?
burnt briar
I know it was a rejected hero in the alpha stage of Ow
terse oar
Oh that
peak escarp
burnt briar
Ya those
peak escarp
she was originally seen on this spread of hero concepts made pre-alpha
burnt briar
Oh and Iris us Echo btw
terse oar
That’s rather evident
peak escarp
and Mercy is Pharah
burnt briar
The abilities are kinda similar
terse oar
These are hero concepts after all
burnt briar
Yup
peak escarp
the only concepts on there that haven't really changed are Reaper and Winston
and I guess Tracer, down there in the corner
burnt briar
So either A, Jeff just wanted to relieve the old days of Overwatch or B, we are getting two new heroes
terse oar
Where’d you get that from?
limpid agate
Where’d you get that from?
Image is from Blizzcon
terse oar
What was this about
Kanezaka Kitsune theories -> OW2 release/BlizzConline -> old hero concepts
limpid agate
2018 I think
terse oar
No I meant his theory
So either A, Jeff just wanted to relieve the old days of Overwatch or B, we are getting two new heroes
limpid agate
Kanezaka Hero
Its either Asa or her daughter. Those are the only characters set up by it.
limpid agate
One is a swordmaster who trained Genji/Hanzo, the other is the daughter of a swordmaster and swordsmith who just received a new gift (implied a sword)
limpid agate
Brit appears on a billboard in Kanezaka
Not just a billboard
peak escarp
limpid agate
A billboard for VR tours
limpid agate
Virtual Reality
peak escarp
the Japanese text says "Virtual Travel House"
limpid agate
It says Virtual Travel House in Japanese
burnt briar
I know what's vrnwhats a vr tour
limpid agate
What do you think
terse oar
Virtual reality tour
peak escarp
yes
terse oar
You tour the house in VR
limpid agate
Or you tour a VR world
burnt briar
So then what
peak escarp
it's a form of entertainment
terse oar
VR is implying she’s not a real person, or at least not a “hero”
limpid agate
IF that is a mech, then Brit is a fictional character
burnt briar
Ok?
limpid agate
Either way, that picture officially makes Brit's chances at becoming a hero 0%
terse oar
You were just asking for stuff about her, and we gave
burnt briar
Ya cause internet kept saying that she was gonna be a gero
But Bro You Wack said nope
terse oar
Remember that Youtubers are not all knowing
burnt briar
Dude go see Bro You Wack's channel is is not one of them we dum dum I believe I can fly youtubers
terse oar
Not to mention, most YouTuber theories are meant to draw attention, not be realistic
burnt briar
I guess
peak escarp
for example, I think the Kanezaka hero will be Asa Yamagami, and she'll be a support hero
terse oar
Tbf, they gotta eat somehow
peak escarp
I have my reasons for thinking this, but others disagree
limpid agate
I like my 50/50 odds.
burnt briar
She's obviously going to be a dps
peak escarp
why obviously?
burnt briar
Ya but how can a ninja heal?
terse oar
I hope for support, but I’m not betting on one
terse oar
Ya but how can a ninja heal?
How does a sniper heal
peak escarp
how can a freedom fighter/DJ heal?
terse oar
How does a robot heal
burnt briar
How does a sniper heal
Ok fine
limpid agate
All we know is sword. It can be any role
peak escarp
the devs are creative, if they want her to be a healer, they'll come up with something
limpid agate
Wait but there's been concept art of Asa a long time ago
Source
burnt briar
But just a concept of weapons
peak escarp
there were silhouettes, but we never saw those silhouettes
they were only described to us in a game informer article
burnt briar
Bro You Wack said he found it on the Blizzard page thourugh something page on the Blizzard website
terse oar
The silhouette picture is fan made btw
burnt briar
I said concept of weapons not art
limpid agate
Okay, can you post a link to your source
burnt briar
I need to go on YouTube first
limpid agate
Take your time.
peak escarp
was it this?
burnt briar
How do I copy and paste links on a phone?
burnt briar
was it this?
I think I seen that before
peak escarp
it's a symbol used for Hanzo's recent challenge
peak escarp
it's also a symbol commonly seen in Japan, called the mitsudomoe, or triple comma
terse oar
https://youtu.be/t2lUT6k2TAw
Time stamp?
peak escarp
limpid agate
At what time is it
burnt briar
You mean the time it released or the timevifbtte weapons concept?
peak escarp
what time in the video
burnt briar
THAT IS TGE WRONG NINJA VIDEO!!!
terse oar
limpid agate
it's also a symbol commonly seen in Japan, called the *mitsudomoe*, or triple co...
Symbol is used for weapons in other games too. Renka's drums use it in Senran Kagura for example.
limpid agate
Yeah we said that
limpid agate
there were silhouettes, but we never saw those silhouettes
Here
peak escarp
The hero that stood out the most, and I couldn't take my eyes off of, appeared to be a female with short hair. At her side and standing up to her knees was a fuzzy little critter with pointy ears and an equally pointy tail. It looked like a fennec fox, but with longer ears and a more aggressive stance. The hero of note wielded a giant four-sided weapon, which is somewhat similar to the shuriken used by Yuffie in Final Fantasy VII, but much thicker.
Reiner describes it like Yuffie's weapon because that's the first thing he thought of
if one of us saw it, we might think of something different
burnt briar
Yes
peak escarp
also, it may have only looked like a giant shuriken in silhouette
but was actually something else
pale loom
hmm
lyric sluice
for example, I think the Kanezaka hero will be Asa Yamagami, and she'll be a sup...
theres a kanzeka hero?
terse oar
theres a kanzeka hero?
Recent teasers have talked about a vigilante in Kanezaka. A woman, Asa, who trained Genji and Hanzo writes to her husband about it and the criminal gang running Kanezaka
Don’t get your hopes up for another hero, this is most likely teasing one for OW2
lyric sluice
Recent teasers have talked about a vigilante in Kanezaka. A woman, Asa, who trai...
oh nice
unreal tartan
It's possible that they're teasing her for reveal at Blizzcon, but there's no guarantee
peak escarp
she could be revealed at Blizzcon
but won't be added to the game until OW2
like Sojourn
peak escarp
maybe
maybe not
there's not really any indication of what class the Kanezaka hero will be
arctic loom
limpid agate
Don't waste your time overhyping or doomsaying until Blizzconline.
Just wait the month
terse oar
It’s always that channel to
hexed crypt
Is korea unified in the lore?
terse oar
We don’t know
hexed crypt
or atleast not like it is now lmao
terse oar
That topic will probably be avoided by Blizzard
hexed crypt
They should just release a book with multiple character stories with different view points
terse oar
That’s what the cinematics, short stories, and comics are for
hexed crypt
Yeah but how often do they release those? The last few things have literally been centered around Tracer and Mondatta............
like we don't have much on lucio or zen, but tracer in kings row!!
terse oar
London Calling has been every month since October(?) and Stone by Stone was in November
terse oar
like we don't have much on lucio or zen, but tracer in kings row!!
Zen was in Stone by Stone, Lucio was in Hero of Numbani
tawny vortex
Yooo
cerulean ice
Yeah but how often do they release those? The last few things have literally bee...
its a goddamn series of issues called london calling, featuring the events of before and after the events of the short: "alive"
its not seperate
before that was a short story with sym and zenyatta
before before that was a novel with efi and orisa
limpid agate
Is korea unified in the lore?
No
D.Va is from South Korea
Which implies that North Korea still exists
iron plume
That's literally just the comics collection
modern edge
ye!
urban wigeon
anyone here
iron plume
yes, did you have a question?
cerulean ice
hm?
weak barn
why is reaper a thing
He died and came from the dead from Moira’s studies I think
cerulean ice
he didnt die
terse oar
Reaper never died, he was only presumed dead
weak barn
Ah
worthy rose
He was on the verge of it until Moira saved him
pliant sparrow
He was never saved by moira as far as we know
peak escarp
Moira's experiments gave him wraith powers
his wraith powers allowed him to survive/escape the HQ explosion
so she saved him indirectly
pliant sparrow
Ye that makes sense
cosmic crest
She straight up says she saved his life in an interaction.
peak escarp
she takes credit for saving his life
cosmic crest
We don't know exactly what happened at Zurich. It's possible he did die but his body was recovered by Talon and Moira was able to restore him.
Or it could just be his genetic alterations that stopped him from completely dying.
Either way it's because of Moira.
peak escarp
We don't know exactly what happened at Zurich. It's possible *he did* die but hi...
the dead can't come back to life